I have seen so many people start with "models they like" then get destroyed in game and just quit. Over 30 decades it must have been hundrades of people over multiple systems.
@@piotrjeske4599 Thirty decades? You have been around for a while. How would you recommend starting then? One thing that I know about 40K: The rules are going to change.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor last year november i bought a creality halot one pro a 3K quality resin printer and i got it for 235 euros cus it was 50% off and it allows me to print the tau'nar supremacy armor
I've been into 40k for about seventeen or eighteen years and have collected dozens of armies and had a chapter sized force of space marines. I've played three games.
@@maxishuman7276 I won all three. One of which was orks v blood angels and I tabled the guy for two lost marines, both of whom died because of exploding plasma guns.
@themightykedge2273 They'll think he's lying if he says that lol, better one yet is to tell them that you have retired from playing after 18 years with a 100% win rate as it simply isn't challenging enough, your interest now lies in collecting and painting 😉
Due to circumstances in life I can't really play at all for the foreseeable future. Maybe in a year or something. But I'm still building up my collection because I want to paint a variety of 40k models.
Have no real intention to play at the moment but I just purchased $650.00 worth of supplies and mini's to paint. I'm a 40 year old disabled combat veteran and have wanted to build them/paint them since I was 12.
@@omenmarin7903 Thank you! So far I absolutely love it. I've even managed to get volumetric highlights and stuff so I feel like I'm making really good progress so far.
Also, for Tau, I recommend a storm surge or any of the large forgeworld battlesuits (especially the ta'unar) if you don't wish to have friends anymore. Also lore wise, one of the eight of the farsight enclaves uses a riptide battlesuit, so it isn't that bad.
Would love to see this exact video but for the lesser talked about factions. Like there are a million how to start marines videos but the Demons and Xenos really get no love and they really don’t play like Space marines so trying to use SM sensibilities with them can really hurt the list building.
I have never played the “you get what you see rule” because everyone wants to make their model look the way they want and nobody wants to worry about what they’re carrying game wise. That’s why we explain our armies before the game in the first place so we can make notes of equipment and minimize confusion.
Early on I made the "mistake" of building what looked cool. Took me a while to stop caring. I magnetize the big ones so I can do any flavor Hive Tyrant, use Hammerhead or Skyray, etc. The small ones....who has that kind of time. Keep a printout showing what everyone's got.
For models that are kitbash or whatever, i generally weight the base with plaster and then write what the model is supposed to be on the bottom so people can check if they're not sure, it also means i get to do funny things like one of my tau stealth suits is just a stealth suit base that i added terrain to and i just call it "stealth mode on"
@@rowbot5555 My initial plan for stealth suits was empty bases with footprints, maybe a very light wash to suggest the shadow of a figure that couldn't be seen directly.
@justvibing4796 I prefer the Ork Boyz mentality to it Buy random arms, legs, and torsos for as cheap as possible. Through a mix of plastic glue, support beams, and prayer, get these random odds and ends to stick together at the proper angles. Prime and Paint your model Whenever anyone asks why your model has four arms, all attached at improper angles, one of them serving as a leg, and one of them sitting as a crotchpiece, say "Oh, it's a chaos knight model" and walk away. They will either be too stunned to speak or nearly piss themselves with laughter.
@@bestnameever1850 Us knights players finally have our time in the sun in 10th ed, the ̶S̶w̶o̶r̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶D̶a̶m̶o̶c̶l̶e̶s̶ *ahem* I mean imminent nerf bat is coming though
Love how supportive you guys are, Tau can be a hard topic among the community but you have broken them down and highlighted some great steps to build and play. For The Greater Good!
Another bit of advice: start with building and painting a Kill Team. Pick your desired army's Troops choice (or whatever), and paint it to completion. Or at least try to. If you're new to miniature painting, you may not know if you even like this whole thing yet, or if you want or can see it through to 2000 points. Completing a Kill Team allows you to know what you're getting into. If you decide halfway through you don't have the time or patience for painting, or don't enjoy it, that's okay. Not every hobby is for everyone. It's not a big deal if you decide to abandon it and do something else. Or maybe you DO complete the project, but decide you aren't as enthusiastic about the army or enjoy painting it. You may decide that painting checkerboards on Harlequins is a royal ball ache (and you don't want to simplify the scheme, especially if you did it once and don't want units to not match). Whatever the case, you decide that maybe painting is alright, but not the army you chose. That's also fine. If nothing else, you will have a group of models you can run in skirmish games. You may decide you never want to paint another Harlequin unit, but you have at least one you can be proud of. (As an aside: it's very easy to become burned out when painting if you're trying to grind away at a single army. So maybe don't do that. Variety is the spice of life. Take a break from painting Harlequin checkerboards to paint some Necron warriors with metallic spray paint and Contrast, for example. Even the same army can have a variety of unit types you can alternate through, like taking a break from Ork Boyz to paint some Killa Kans. Bouncing between a few different projects can make the process seem less like a slog, and make you excited to return to the army you want to paint. Plus, having another army, or at least an extra Kill Team or two, means you can lend a set of models to a new player if you want to get some games in.)
When I FINALLY build my Thousand Sons army, you know full well who's gonna be my most important guy: because I'm going to put him together using both an Exalted Sorcerer and a CSM Warpsmith.
As someone struggling to pick a faction (I'm torn between the Ultramarines and Thousand Sons), this was really helpful - and thank you for telling us what websites to, uh, avoid!
as a T'au collector, think big, but collect small. if you are not used to the hobby side of gaming (build, paint, kit-bash), don't overwhelm yourself. absolutely, the T'au are by far, the coolest looking models in 40k. but I cannot recreate the paint quality shown on the boxes or in the books. by collecting small, start with a basic troop, a crisis suit and/or stealth suit. just figuring out how to build and clean up each model will take time. don't worry about the paint scheme. if you like the box art, don't get frustrated. they were painted by professional artists. otherwise, pick the colors you like. I also recommend watching "how to" paint vids on UA-cam. there are plenty! regardless of the appearance of your army, painted is better than Grey and T'au is better than anything else!
FOR THE GREATER GOOD!!! all are welcome, even the necrons and the sisters and everyone else... you know you want to... everyone is doing it... we finally learned how to make cookies, so yeah, we also have cookies!
In short: always be Batman, unless you can be Tauman. Oh, speaking of grey: I noticed that Warahmmer models look amazing in grey (not unpainted -- I mean, actually painted grey). Grey Tau are cool for urban type, but I love the classic blue Tau the most. Good times when that was the GW official scheme in like 2008. The jungle green is also amazing-looking for Tau. P.S. Any true Tau collector calls them Tau, not T'au. I refuse to add in that bullshit apostrophe. ;)
I love builders leagues so much, start with 500 pts and go up 250 pts every 2 weeks. You support a (hopefully) cool lgs, you slowly afford the opportunity to build and paint your army, play consistently with a super diverse group of armies, everyone is painting Thor models and chatting about the lore they’re getting into, it’s so great! Haven’t seen any since covid came out
If your starting out, why not pick 2 factions? You can play at home and hopefully rope in friends and family. I chose tyranids and gscult with a guard add on, so had 3 decent sized forces not long after ( by 500-1k games) learning to play from 250 point matches up (without objectives 'n strats - adding psykers with basic strats - to objectives from core book and full strats) just get what you think looks cool and start playing with grey plastic, I started with a hq and basic infantry patrol games then added vehicles / monsters later, other unit types came after filling out a battalions slots, but by then I had made a choice for play styles, found out I like hordes but have enough vehicles now to play mechanised / monster bash if wanted.
I started just wanting to play the game, and ended up really liking the hobby side of it. This opened up the door to terrain, other miniature systems, and finding out what I do and do not like painting which helped influence my choices.
I actually just grabbed the stuff needed to cap off my first army today, as well as the paints to finish it. I was fortunate to be able to buy a decent lot of necrons off of a guy locally. Between what i got from him, what i had already for Killteam, and one more box i grabbed today, i have enough of a variety of stuff to try out list building and get a feel for most of their units. Super excited to branch from killteam into full scale 40k Once they are table ready, Tau and Tyranids are a tossup for my 2nd army, and then eventually i’ll have all 3. Happy to see you guys cover a “starter tau” setup. I like to plan things well in advance, so this is quite helpful, and very well timed for me
I own Tau and Tyranid armies. Best unsolicited piece of advice for Tau: be very mindful of your painting surface. Use some kind of matte spray for extra smoothness before painting. Those flat planes demand it. Best unsolicited piece of advice for Tyranids: their troops are the most falling-over, catching-on-each-other models you'll ever own. Attaching metal washers the same size as your bases to their bottoms will HUGELY improve stability. Necessary to maintain sanity.
In regards to the "everyone laugh with me" upon mentioning the auxilliary theme; Vespid are our most effective unit against the widest amount of different targets in math hammer. And Kroot are in every list. I've gotten significant mileage out of the two 12-bug squads of metal Vespid I bought when they came out, despite my mates joking about it at the time. They even beat pre-nerf 9th Broadsides in mathhammer! A big plus is how easy they are to paint, did mine up in Dark Angels green as a base, with drybrushed Hawk turquoise on top, really striking and people guffaw over them when they see them even though they took so little time to paint.
This is a good video. I'd actually love a guide like this for Orks. I'm torn between Blood Axes and Goffs and they seem to be at odds with each other. Ork clans are so colorful too, so it's hard to decide what to color which unit. I don't mind if the whole army doesn't match, but I don't want a single yellow Deff Dread if I'm never running Bad Moons.
I'm just getting into this hobby/game and you are the only ones who have successfully explained what a detachment is. Thank you for that! I also love the structure of this video and would love to see similar videos for other factions!
I got the Ultimate Starter Set as a birthday present a couple of weeks ago from my friends as my first 40k set and they bought a combat patrol so we can all learn to play. I have no interest in the Space Marines (my choice would've always been Xenos, and was split between Orks, Nids or Votann) so I instantly became more interested in the Tyranids since they were half of the box, and that *instantly* brought me to the Genestealer Cults and it aesthetically clicked with me as a complimentary army once I finish painting my nids, and I find their lore as a 40k take on Lovecraftian cultists really compelling. I really want to get started on my nids so I can justify buying the GSC Combat Patrol now. For me as a role-player, this "faction" feel and a compelling narrative > all. My friends each got a Drukhari and Votann combat patrol each and we've made it a point to meet up a couple times a month on a schedule and just paint minis together at someone's house while we chill.
@34:07 your comments on step 6 here hit home for me. I originally got Tau models for the cool mechs but after building and playing with the units I realized I actually love the infantry. With cadre fire blades aura and a commander farsight or dark strider you can make your infantry quite scary even to larger more expensive models. I originally thought the Tau models (as aliens) looked stupid and was a bit miffed to purchase them but the level of customization and the flexibility to pose them a number of ways makes them an absolute blast to build, paint, and base. I just got the hang of painting their faces after 1.5 years having this hobby and every time I look at my first team of Pathfinders I cannot help but reminisce on all the various lessons I learned in painting since I started. Took me a solid month to paint those first blue boys, and I could probably paint a full squad in a day now. Such progress. Great video this would have been very helpful to me starting out. Something that also might be useful to new players is a pic or something at the end of the video with all the different detachment types with a timestamp in the video details.
I feel like I skipped the 500/100/1500/2000 steps and went in hard at around 4.5k. After playing for a year I figured out I don't like Riptides, Ghostkeel or Commanders. Ended up selling about 2k worth. Now I run Hammerheads & a Stormsurge 👌
Just found the podcast and I love it. You have the perfect amount of cynicism towards GW. The books are ripoff and GW kinda sucks but 40k is still awesome. You should still play it.
There are times I miss the 9th edition Tau when they first come out. Crisis suits were a lot less points then they are now, montka was stronger, and gear was cheaper.
I agree, magnetizing some stuff is just a hassle and creates a lot of extra little parts to keep track of. What your opponent cares about is if he can tell what model it is, and if it's painted, not that it's holding the correct gun that is on your army list.
I actually enjoy having a couple of factions I play (Right now it's Dark Angels and Tau). For my tau army though, I like having a mix of suits and troops, so finding out that the tau can only have one commander per detachment was sad since my space marines have two captains, two librarians and a lieutenant... mostly because it's a mix of Mk.VII and Mk.X marines.
I have had Necrons for two years now, have finally gotten to the end of the silver tide and have yet to play a game with them, this is not an extreme case.
I started with the Space Marines and yes I have become aware of the meme of there being too many people playing them but for me I am an artist already but never did any miniatures or hobby painting but it was so fun and an easy transition to start building and painting my armies I even did a few in my own style for fun
I've just discovered your channel and really like the vibe you guys have. Have you ever considered trying AoS? Obviously 40k is the main thing here, but I'm curious about your takes on that game's play and factions.
Started the hobby and both the factions i liked (SM and guard) were bottom 2. Im just now hetting my first army together and now theyre arguably top 1 and 2
I am so glad that they said there's nothing wrong being a hobbyist, and how the whole Warhammer community seems to agree. As a new player, I have been researching the game and the lore like crazy, so even if I don't play often, I am 100% a Warhammer fan now. Even if I only find time to play once every month or so, I will still have a gorgeous display!...also another expensive hobby...especially since I chose AdMech.
Started out with nids, went with a spore mine focus with lots of GSs and things like that and loved it despite loosing a lot Due to several changes (in recent memory) I grabbed a single exocrene and within a few months my armies now look like a knights list with less than 10 units and almost all of them are big monsters
I wish This vid had come out 3 yrs ago my friends bought me the Tyranids Start Collecting box right as the pandemic hit... with no one to play with because "distancing", no real guidance on doing this, and my job there was no slow grow the army and find what I liked. Instead I did the equivalent of tying a hundred pound safe to my legs and jumped into a diving well. So 3 yrs later and I'm 10K pts into Nids and have played maybe a dozen games oiy vey!!! as a side note I've painted (not based) about 7K of the army so far and have a "few" other armies @ the 3K range... I need help!!! XD
When I started in 5th, my tau list was fire warriors in devilfishes to dig in mid field, piranha squads tank hunters, as many crisis suits as possible to delete elites, 2 riptides as long range nukers against hordes :P My FSE list version was a farsight bomb that included 7 bodyguards and 14 shield drones deepstriking with no scatter (due to farsight's special rule). 1000 points spent on just one squad of suits mwhaha. God I miss 5th ed Tau
IDK if there have been changes within these last 3 months, but at least on BattleScribe, the 500pt list is more like 520pt. I just did a few changes switching the Coldstar to have 2 Ta'u Flamers instead of Plasma Rifles and removing his Shield Drone. Either way, the list is more ideas for me. I've just been compiling a bunch because I want a nice combination of Battlesuits and vehicles, with some good supporting infantry like Breachers in Devilfish, and Pathfinders.
Im loving your content and cant get enough. Would love to see one that is more gun line focused with all the troops and other factions like Imerial guard!
As a long time collector . Always go with the rule of cool . If it is not cool to you , you will quit . Go slow or you will have a pile of shame bigger than you're actual table top army . This can be an expensive hobby very fast . If you're smart 3d print 500pts to get a "feel" for the hobby . True , They are not Tournament legal , but your wallet will love it . Don't plan on being a meta chasing tournament champ for a while , maybe years to get in 100+ battles . And yes , you will need 100+ battles to really be competitive at a GT Slap Chop paint your Army , it is fast and easy and looks good . Air brush is over rated for a beginner . Don't plan on being a "Golden Daemon" winner in the beginning . Be single or get your g/f , wife , b/f and/ or child into the game . You will have more harmony in the home . my collections before 3D printing and Ex g/f's helping with painting ( started in 1996 and a big fan of Apocalypse ) $15,000 would not replace all of this even using recasters 1) Cadian atleast a full 2000pt of each : Pure infantry , Armored Spear head ( Gryphone 4 , FW turrents ) , Artillery Barrage , Scouting Formation and Mechanized plus 3 Baneblades 2) Vostroyan 2000pts of pure foot 3) Elysians 2000pts with Grav chute foot , Valkyries , Vultures and Tauros Assault Vehicles 4/5) Orks ( Black Reach box set Deffkoptas got me hooked / rule of cool ) at least 5000pts with all clans mixed up as lots of different g/f's helped in painting and used in Tournaments themselves when not borrowing my "Guard" Ex g/f's old armies I inherited and she used in Tournaments 6/7 ) Tyranids 2000pts of the "gaunt hoard" 2000pts of the "monsters mash" Yes She was a horror movie fan , Especially "Alien" or Creature Feature of 1950's
I technically "Started" one army already as my 2 brothers gifted me a 10th edition starter box, and I kept the Nyds (one of them is will keep the Marines), so I better take notes
welp i cant recommend Trying armies in TableTopSimulator, is just only Easy, cheap, and fun, but remeber that you have to legally adquire your plastic folks.
I'm back from the future. Seems like Games Workshop wached this video because the new Tau Boarding patrol pretty much follows this video's exact recommendations; a handful of Crisis suits, Fire Warrior Breachers, and the new Commander Farsight.
And most importantly: Don't look at guides like this and jump to the end, thinking "Excellent, I know the end point, I'll just buy everything from the start". Trust me, if there's anything I've learned from 25 years of these games, it's to only buy the absolute bare minimum number of models (one blister, one box) and FINISH that before buying the next one. Please for the love of god.
In case anyone is wondering at 500 points for imperial knights /chaos knights - the only legal detachment is a Super Heavy Detachment, and it forces you to bring 3 Armigers / War Dogs. That said, 2x melee mechs and 1x ranged mech or 3x melee mechs is pretty brutal at this game size unless your friends specifically overload on AP -3 guns.
I mean, that's just because GW is a bunch of bitches. Talk to your friends, play Attack on Titan with one Imperial/Chaos Knight and their entire 500pt army, no Control Points or Strategems for the Knight player, just dakka!
So I’m collecting MY third army, I have 5k in necrons, 7k in chaos space marines, 1k of nids, I’m still working on my nids, but I might also jump to tau and chaos knights too because people around where I live are selling stuff for cheap
The problem for me is i like the thousand suns because they are a bunch of super powerful psychic doofs who apparently fail all the time, and painting them would be the death of me.
I just got into Warhammer I love building and painting but honestly wanna give a try playing a game but idk anyone or where to find people who kind enough to help and stuff
Can you guys increase the master volume or mic input volume on your future videos? They are very quiet and the ads before hand are the complete opposite.
We've gotten this feedback a few times this week. We'll try looking into it but with our hardware it might cause background noise issues. It might take a few weeks to hone it in.
I overdid it a bit on my Necrons, it’s been a while since I played/counted but I jumped straight to 2500pts and I think I got 4-5k within a year or two of collecting.
I found your channel a few months ago. I used to play Fantasy & 40k back in high school before Necromunda came out then played that when it released. I haven’t touched a model in perhaps 25 years but always wanted to play again. Thanks for your channel, I’m going to see about picking up a new army and what older models I can salvage. You probably won’t see this but I appreciate what you guys do
I'm pretty new to all this, been doing a lot of research on different factions and the Tyranids are really speaking to me, I really like how they look, and I love how relentless they are. This video is nice for the idea of how to start, but I still don't understand how to use this and translate it to start up with tyranids.. Any suggestions? Combat patrol? something smaller, or completely different?
I love tau but oddly enough I actually don't really like mech anime. What drew me to tau was their philosophy and them being the closest thing to the good guys in the 40k world; its why I almost went with salamanders as my first army. But the nail in the coffin was Commander Farsight, my favorite color is red and he's like the morally best person in the lore.
I wonder how much this list changes with the 10th edition adjustments. I am especially interested as I am currently eyeing to get into Tau as my first army.
I know this is an old comment, but I'd recommend watching their "What kind of player are you" video. It talks about different player archetypes and the armies that go with them.
I have the dark imperium box, I also bought a mephytic blight hauler, i really like that unit, I'd like to get more of them and customize them a bit. I got those things, but all I've built was the space marines. I'm almost done painting them. I got really irritated by the switch to 9th. So I just put everything away. Not which of those factions I would rather play.
Aight so what about a 2k army ofTau Sept, Shadowsun, Longstrike, 3 teams of 3 Broadsides, 3 Hammerheads, and filling the remaining 40 points with Tactical (Marker) Drones? It seems like it would either go surprisingly well or pretty bad and not really in between
The most important part of starting an army is buying at least some of it from your FLGS. If your FLGS is a GW store however, ebay and ministomp get your money gg ez
As someone who got into Tau back in 4th ed, It's weird hearing "I don't jive with the traditional tau lore (and etherials spellcasting) and wanna go Farsight instead", imo Farsight now is as close to "traditional" Tau as you can get
The most important part of starting an army: Choose the models you think are cool :)
The most important part of starting an army: Choose the 3-D printer
cool I'm going to start collecting an army of Hormagaunts and Aeldari Warlocks led by a Sammael on his jetbike
I have seen so many people start with "models they like" then get destroyed in game and just quit. Over 30 decades it must have been hundrades of people over multiple systems.
@@piotrjeske4599 Thirty decades?
You have been around for a while.
How would you recommend starting then?
One thing that I know about 40K: The rules are going to change.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor last year november i bought a creality halot one pro a 3K quality resin printer and i got it for 235 euros cus it was 50% off and it allows me to print the tau'nar supremacy armor
I've been into 40k for about seventeen or eighteen years and have collected dozens of armies and had a chapter sized force of space marines.
I've played three games.
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@@maxishuman7276 I won all three. One of which was orks v blood angels and I tabled the guy for two lost marines, both of whom died because of exploding plasma guns.
@@lokenontherange100 percent winrate W
If you want to intimidate someone, next time you play you can tell them that you've got 18 years of experience and a 100% winrate
@themightykedge2273 They'll think he's lying if he says that lol, better one yet is to tell them that you have retired from playing after 18 years with a 100% win rate as it simply isn't challenging enough, your interest now lies in collecting and painting 😉
"Nothing wrong with being a hobbyist." I hope not, because I'll spend twenty times more time building and painting a year than actually playing.
Same, but not necessarily by choice lol
Due to circumstances in life I can't really play at all for the foreseeable future. Maybe in a year or something. But I'm still building up my collection because I want to paint a variety of 40k models.
Have no real intention to play at the moment but I just purchased $650.00 worth of supplies and mini's to paint. I'm a 40 year old disabled combat veteran and have wanted to build them/paint them since I was 12.
@@Sabamonster I hope you enjoy the hobby good sir
@@omenmarin7903 Thank you! So far I absolutely love it. I've even managed to get volumetric highlights and stuff so I feel like I'm making really good progress so far.
BRB painting my Tau stealth suits like Gru's minions.
GRU is an Ethereal and he will steal ze moon
@@spaghettimkay5795 soulstorm 2 confirmed
I’d love to see y’all redo this in 10th edition
I was about to write, "Well that doesn't sound like 10th edition structure!" 😅
Also, for Tau, I recommend a storm surge or any of the large forgeworld battlesuits (especially the ta'unar) if you don't wish to have friends anymore.
Also lore wise, one of the eight of the farsight enclaves uses a riptide battlesuit, so it isn't that bad.
I forgot about the 8!
@@thepoorhammerpodcast They don't currently exist.
@@carldooley9344 they do if you believe really hard in there existence and know how to kit-bash a bit.
My brother is planning to start and and i am scarred of that monster
i run CK so WAHOO
Would love to see this exact video but for the lesser talked about factions. Like there are a million how to start marines videos but the Demons and Xenos really get no love and they really don’t play like Space marines so trying to use SM sensibilities with them can really hurt the list building.
I have never played the “you get what you see rule” because everyone wants to make their model look the way they want and nobody wants to worry about what they’re carrying game wise. That’s why we explain our armies before the game in the first place so we can make notes of equipment and minimize confusion.
Early on I made the "mistake" of building what looked cool. Took me a while to stop caring. I magnetize the big ones so I can do any flavor Hive Tyrant, use Hammerhead or Skyray, etc. The small ones....who has that kind of time. Keep a printout showing what everyone's got.
For models that are kitbash or whatever, i generally weight the base with plaster and then write what the model is supposed to be on the bottom so people can check if they're not sure, it also means i get to do funny things like one of my tau stealth suits is just a stealth suit base that i added terrain to and i just call it "stealth mode on"
@@rowbot5555 My initial plan for stealth suits was empty bases with footprints, maybe a very light wash to suggest the shadow of a figure that couldn't be seen directly.
"Sorry knight players, you're gonna need to figure this stuff out on your own."
"Do they even have a troop?"
"Nah, they are built different"
LMAO
knight players are used to being shafted this is just about the statues qou
@justvibing4796 I prefer the Ork Boyz mentality to it
Buy random arms, legs, and torsos for as cheap as possible.
Through a mix of plastic glue, support beams, and prayer, get these random odds and ends to stick together at the proper angles.
Prime and Paint your model
Whenever anyone asks why your model has four arms, all attached at improper angles, one of them serving as a leg, and one of them sitting as a crotchpiece, say "Oh, it's a chaos knight model" and walk away. They will either be too stunned to speak or nearly piss themselves with laughter.
@@bestnameever1850 Us knights players finally have our time in the sun in 10th ed, the ̶S̶w̶o̶r̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶D̶a̶m̶o̶c̶l̶e̶s̶ *ahem* I mean imminent nerf bat is coming though
Love how supportive you guys are, Tau can be a hard topic among the community but you have broken them down and highlighted some great steps to build and play. For The Greater Good!
Another bit of advice: start with building and painting a Kill Team. Pick your desired army's Troops choice (or whatever), and paint it to completion. Or at least try to. If you're new to miniature painting, you may not know if you even like this whole thing yet, or if you want or can see it through to 2000 points. Completing a Kill Team allows you to know what you're getting into.
If you decide halfway through you don't have the time or patience for painting, or don't enjoy it, that's okay. Not every hobby is for everyone. It's not a big deal if you decide to abandon it and do something else. Or maybe you DO complete the project, but decide you aren't as enthusiastic about the army or enjoy painting it. You may decide that painting checkerboards on Harlequins is a royal ball ache (and you don't want to simplify the scheme, especially if you did it once and don't want units to not match).
Whatever the case, you decide that maybe painting is alright, but not the army you chose. That's also fine. If nothing else, you will have a group of models you can run in skirmish games. You may decide you never want to paint another Harlequin unit, but you have at least one you can be proud of.
(As an aside: it's very easy to become burned out when painting if you're trying to grind away at a single army. So maybe don't do that. Variety is the spice of life. Take a break from painting Harlequin checkerboards to paint some Necron warriors with metallic spray paint and Contrast, for example. Even the same army can have a variety of unit types you can alternate through, like taking a break from Ork Boyz to paint some Killa Kans. Bouncing between a few different projects can make the process seem less like a slog, and make you excited to return to the army you want to paint. Plus, having another army, or at least an extra Kill Team or two, means you can lend a set of models to a new player if you want to get some games in.)
Oh yeah, when I get burnt out on painting my Deathwatch, I switch to painting my miniatures for dnd!
I showed my wife how to paint diamonds on a mini. Her harlequins are in stripped pajamas.
@@GusMortis And there's nothing wrong with that.
actually id reccomend getting just the path finders then since its 13 models for less then 30 euros which is really worth it
With airbrush and speed paint, painting is no longer an issue. Suck that it didn't exist back in 04 when I started.
When I FINALLY build my Thousand Sons army, you know full well who's gonna be my most important guy: because I'm going to put him together using both an Exalted Sorcerer and a CSM Warpsmith.
who
I don't have a name for the guy yet...
@@jameshewitt4706Did you come up with the name yet?
@@popegramzz479 I wish!! I just can't think of anything!
Often being distracted and busy at work really doesn't do me any favors there, either.
@@jameshewitt4706I have a suggestion: Mark (apologies if it’s a bit extra)
As someone struggling to pick a faction (I'm torn between the Ultramarines and Thousand Sons), this was really helpful - and thank you for telling us what websites to, uh, avoid!
as a T'au collector, think big, but collect small. if you are not used to the hobby side of gaming (build, paint, kit-bash), don't overwhelm yourself.
absolutely, the T'au are by far, the coolest looking models in 40k. but I cannot recreate the paint quality shown on the boxes or in the books.
by collecting small, start with a basic troop, a crisis suit and/or stealth suit. just figuring out how to build and clean up each model will take time. don't worry about the paint scheme. if you like the box art, don't get frustrated. they were painted by professional artists.
otherwise, pick the colors you like. I also recommend watching "how to" paint vids on UA-cam. there are plenty!
regardless of the appearance of your army, painted is better than Grey and T'au is better than anything else!
Peak T’au cope, they’re just Gundams, even a necron warrior looks cooler
FOR THE GREATER GOOD!!!
all are welcome, even the necrons and the sisters and everyone else...
you know you want to...
everyone is doing it...
we finally learned how to make cookies, so yeah, we also have cookies!
@@dudemcfurgusson7179 don’t gray knights have halberd terminators?
(Your’s are 1000% cooler though. They look boss af)
In short: always be Batman, unless you can be Tauman.
Oh, speaking of grey: I noticed that Warahmmer models look amazing in grey (not unpainted -- I mean, actually painted grey). Grey Tau are cool for urban type, but I love the classic blue Tau the most. Good times when that was the GW official scheme in like 2008. The jungle green is also amazing-looking for Tau.
P.S. Any true Tau collector calls them Tau, not T'au. I refuse to add in that bullshit apostrophe. ;)
@@dudemcfurgusson7179 Tau, Sister of Battles, and Mechanius have the coolest design. Too bad I have none of them.
I love builders leagues so much, start with 500 pts and go up 250 pts every 2 weeks. You support a (hopefully) cool lgs, you slowly afford the opportunity to build and paint your army, play consistently with a super diverse group of armies, everyone is painting Thor models and chatting about the lore they’re getting into, it’s so great! Haven’t seen any since covid came out
If your starting out, why not pick 2 factions? You can play at home and hopefully rope in friends and family. I chose tyranids and gscult with a guard add on, so had 3 decent sized forces not long after ( by 500-1k games) learning to play from 250 point matches up (without objectives 'n strats - adding psykers with basic strats - to objectives from core book and full strats) just get what you think looks cool and start playing with grey plastic, I started with a hq and basic infantry patrol games then added vehicles / monsters later, other unit types came after filling out a battalions slots, but by then I had made a choice for play styles, found out I like hordes but have enough vehicles now to play mechanised / monster bash if wanted.
i'd recommend building out two kill teams at first
I started just wanting to play the game, and ended up really liking the hobby side of it. This opened up the door to terrain, other miniature systems, and finding out what I do and do not like painting which helped influence my choices.
I would love to see this as a series for each faction.
I actually just grabbed the stuff needed to cap off my first army today, as well as the paints to finish it. I was fortunate to be able to buy a decent lot of necrons off of a guy locally. Between what i got from him, what i had already for Killteam, and one more box i grabbed today, i have enough of a variety of stuff to try out list building and get a feel for most of their units. Super excited to branch from killteam into full scale 40k
Once they are table ready, Tau and Tyranids are a tossup for my 2nd army, and then eventually i’ll have all 3. Happy to see you guys cover a “starter tau” setup. I like to plan things well in advance, so this is quite helpful, and very well timed for me
I own Tau and Tyranid armies.
Best unsolicited piece of advice for Tau: be very mindful of your painting surface. Use some kind of matte spray for extra smoothness before painting. Those flat planes demand it.
Best unsolicited piece of advice for Tyranids: their troops are the most falling-over, catching-on-each-other models you'll ever own. Attaching metal washers the same size as your bases to their bottoms will HUGELY improve stability. Necessary to maintain sanity.
This has been exactly what I have been looking for to feel confident to grab a box and start down the 40k path.
for a second i thought eric no longer liked grey knights
phewwww
He just doesn't like showing up to recordings on holiday weeks, the slacker.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast Thanksgiving is Thanksgiving
In regards to the "everyone laugh with me" upon mentioning the auxilliary theme; Vespid are our most effective unit against the widest amount of different targets in math hammer. And Kroot are in every list. I've gotten significant mileage out of the two 12-bug squads of metal Vespid I bought when they came out, despite my mates joking about it at the time. They even beat pre-nerf 9th Broadsides in mathhammer! A big plus is how easy they are to paint, did mine up in Dark Angels green as a base, with drybrushed Hawk turquoise on top, really striking and people guffaw over them when they see them even though they took so little time to paint.
This is a good video. I'd actually love a guide like this for Orks. I'm torn between Blood Axes and Goffs and they seem to be at odds with each other. Ork clans are so colorful too, so it's hard to decide what to color which unit. I don't mind if the whole army doesn't match, but I don't want a single yellow Deff Dread if I'm never running Bad Moons.
I'm just getting into this hobby/game and you are the only ones who have successfully explained what a detachment is. Thank you for that! I also love the structure of this video and would love to see similar videos for other factions!
We need that for each army !! so cool concept
I got the Ultimate Starter Set as a birthday present a couple of weeks ago from my friends as my first 40k set and they bought a combat patrol so we can all learn to play. I have no interest in the Space Marines (my choice would've always been Xenos, and was split between Orks, Nids or Votann) so I instantly became more interested in the Tyranids since they were half of the box, and that *instantly* brought me to the Genestealer Cults and it aesthetically clicked with me as a complimentary army once I finish painting my nids, and I find their lore as a 40k take on Lovecraftian cultists really compelling. I really want to get started on my nids so I can justify buying the GSC Combat Patrol now.
For me as a role-player, this "faction" feel and a compelling narrative > all. My friends each got a Drukhari and Votann combat patrol each and we've made it a point to meet up a couple times a month on a schedule and just paint minis together at someone's house while we chill.
@34:07 your comments on step 6 here hit home for me. I originally got Tau models for the cool mechs but after building and playing with the units I realized I actually love the infantry. With cadre fire blades aura and a commander farsight or dark strider you can make your infantry quite scary even to larger more expensive models.
I originally thought the Tau models (as aliens) looked stupid and was a bit miffed to purchase them but the level of customization and the flexibility to pose them a number of ways makes them an absolute blast to build, paint, and base. I just got the hang of painting their faces after 1.5 years having this hobby and every time I look at my first team of Pathfinders I cannot help but reminisce on all the various lessons I learned in painting since I started. Took me a solid month to paint those first blue boys, and I could probably paint a full squad in a day now. Such progress.
Great video this would have been very helpful to me starting out. Something that also might be useful to new players is a pic or something at the end of the video with all the different detachment types with a timestamp in the video details.
I feel like I skipped the 500/100/1500/2000 steps and went in hard at around 4.5k. After playing for a year I figured out I don't like Riptides, Ghostkeel or Commanders. Ended up selling about 2k worth. Now I run Hammerheads & a Stormsurge 👌
Just found the podcast and I love it. You have the perfect amount of cynicism towards GW. The books are ripoff and GW kinda sucks but 40k is still awesome. You should still play it.
Exactly my thoughts, it sucks that a company I don't like make a game and world I love.
True. So I just buy the rules, and use my own models. And play the games and grab a book or two.
Balance.
There are times I miss the 9th edition Tau when they first come out. Crisis suits were a lot less points then they are now, montka was stronger, and gear was cheaper.
Great summary. I'm not the target audience for this one, but I enjoyed the perspective and reasoning provided.
So what you're saying is, I am not meant to just buy 2000 points straight away?
What you can magnetise, magnetise.
Every Edition has it’s charmes and curses.
GW plastic has the price of raw silver .
I agree, magnetizing some stuff is just a hassle and creates a lot of extra little parts to keep track of. What your opponent cares about is if he can tell what model it is, and if it's painted, not that it's holding the correct gun that is on your army list.
This is perfect for me. Ive picked Tau so need to purchase my first ever models. 😊 wish me luck.
I'm also starting W40k with T'au, be aware that the rules changed quite a lot since this video came out.
I actually enjoy having a couple of factions I play (Right now it's Dark Angels and Tau). For my tau army though, I like having a mix of suits and troops, so finding out that the tau can only have one commander per detachment was sad since my space marines have two captains, two librarians and a lieutenant... mostly because it's a mix of Mk.VII and Mk.X marines.
I have had Necrons for two years now, have finally gotten to the end of the silver tide and have yet to play a game with them, this is not an extreme case.
Ghostkeel does look rlly cool ngl
I started with the Space Marines and yes I have become aware of the meme of there being too many people playing them but for me I am an artist already but never did any miniatures or hobby painting but it was so fun and an easy transition to start building and painting my armies I even did a few in my own style for fun
I've just discovered your channel and really like the vibe you guys have. Have you ever considered trying AoS? Obviously 40k is the main thing here, but I'm curious about your takes on that game's play and factions.
Started the hobby and both the factions i liked (SM and guard) were bottom 2. Im just now hetting my first army together and now theyre arguably top 1 and 2
Stumbled across this video and channel and this helped me a lot, definitely am going to go check out some other uploads. 👍
I am so glad that they said there's nothing wrong being a hobbyist, and how the whole Warhammer community seems to agree. As a new player, I have been researching the game and the lore like crazy, so even if I don't play often, I am 100% a Warhammer fan now. Even if I only find time to play once every month or so, I will still have a gorgeous display!...also another expensive hobby...especially since I chose AdMech.
10:04 Ah yes, reminds me of very early 8th, where the "optimal tau army" was like, 4-6 commanders and 3 riptides, plus screening units (maybe).
I came to 40k to build bunny eared mech suits. Great episode.
Yooo... The surprise JoJo at 20:32 had me
"AWAKEN MY- aw it's over..."
Started out with nids, went with a spore mine focus with lots of GSs and things like that and loved it despite loosing a lot
Due to several changes (in recent memory) I grabbed a single exocrene and within a few months my armies now look like a knights list with less than 10 units and almost all of them are big monsters
I wish This vid had come out 3 yrs ago my friends bought me the Tyranids Start Collecting box right as the pandemic hit... with no one to play with because "distancing", no real guidance on doing this, and my job there was no slow grow the army and find what I liked. Instead I did the equivalent of tying a hundred pound safe to my legs and jumped into a diving well. So 3 yrs later and I'm 10K pts into Nids and have played maybe a dozen games oiy vey!!! as a side note I've painted (not based) about 7K of the army so far and have a "few" other armies @ the 3K range... I need help!!! XD
Honestly, this would be a great consultation service!
When I started in 5th, my tau list was fire warriors in devilfishes to dig in mid field, piranha squads tank hunters, as many crisis suits as possible to delete elites, 2 riptides as long range nukers against hordes :P
My FSE list version was a farsight bomb that included 7 bodyguards and 14 shield drones deepstriking with no scatter (due to farsight's special rule). 1000 points spent on just one squad of suits mwhaha.
God I miss 5th ed Tau
I miss 5th ed in general. That edition was great!
IDK if there have been changes within these last 3 months, but at least on BattleScribe, the 500pt list is more like 520pt. I just did a few changes switching the Coldstar to have 2 Ta'u Flamers instead of Plasma Rifles and removing his Shield Drone.
Either way, the list is more ideas for me. I've just been compiling a bunch because I want a nice combination of Battlesuits and vehicles, with some good supporting infantry like Breachers in Devilfish, and Pathfinders.
Im loving your content and cant get enough. Would love to see one that is more gun line focused with all the troops and other factions like Imerial guard!
As a long time collector . Always go with the rule of cool .
If it is not cool to you , you will quit .
Go slow or you will have a pile of shame bigger than you're actual table top army .
This can be an expensive hobby very fast . If you're smart 3d print 500pts to get a "feel" for the hobby .
True , They are not Tournament legal , but your wallet will love it .
Don't plan on being a meta chasing tournament champ for a while , maybe years to get in 100+ battles .
And yes , you will need 100+ battles to really be competitive at a GT
Slap Chop paint your Army , it is fast and easy and looks good . Air brush is over rated for a beginner .
Don't plan on being a "Golden Daemon" winner in the beginning .
Be single or get your g/f , wife , b/f and/ or child into the game . You will have more harmony in the home .
my collections before 3D printing and Ex g/f's helping with painting ( started in 1996 and a big fan of Apocalypse )
$15,000 would not replace all of this even using recasters
1) Cadian
atleast a full 2000pt of each : Pure infantry , Armored Spear head ( Gryphone 4 , FW turrents ) , Artillery Barrage , Scouting Formation and Mechanized plus 3 Baneblades
2) Vostroyan
2000pts of pure foot
3) Elysians
2000pts with Grav chute foot , Valkyries , Vultures and Tauros Assault Vehicles
4/5) Orks
( Black Reach box set Deffkoptas got me hooked / rule of cool )
at least 5000pts with all clans mixed up as lots of different g/f's helped in painting and used in Tournaments themselves when not borrowing my "Guard"
Ex g/f's old armies I inherited and she used in Tournaments
6/7 ) Tyranids
2000pts of the "gaunt hoard"
2000pts of the "monsters mash"
Yes She was a horror movie fan , Especially "Alien" or Creature Feature of 1950's
Awesome video - especially since I'm interested in Tau! Thanks guys.
I technically "Started" one army already as my 2 brothers gifted me a 10th edition starter box, and I kept the Nyds (one of them is will keep the Marines), so I better take notes
I did not expect Power Rangers to get a name drop and I'm here for all of it. SUBSCRIBED AND FOR THE GREATER GOOD! (i'm going to start 40K with Tau)
welp i cant recommend Trying armies in TableTopSimulator,
is just only Easy, cheap, and fun, but remeber that you have to legally adquire your plastic folks.
"Legally" "plastic"
I'm back from the future. Seems like Games Workshop wached this video because the new Tau Boarding patrol pretty much follows this video's exact recommendations; a handful of Crisis suits, Fire Warrior Breachers, and the new Commander Farsight.
And most importantly: Don't look at guides like this and jump to the end, thinking "Excellent, I know the end point, I'll just buy everything from the start". Trust me, if there's anything I've learned from 25 years of these games, it's to only buy the absolute bare minimum number of models (one blister, one box) and FINISH that before buying the next one. Please for the love of god.
Xv95 Ghostkeel is the coolest unit, Cactar is 100% right on this.
I didnt know tau piranha were a thing and I love the looks of them. They are straight up halo ghosts
I got the sulfurhounds when they came out, I still havent finished them. :) I need to get to that eventually
In case anyone is wondering at 500 points for imperial knights /chaos knights - the only legal detachment is a Super Heavy Detachment, and it forces you to bring 3 Armigers / War Dogs. That said, 2x melee mechs and 1x ranged mech or 3x melee mechs is pretty brutal at this game size unless your friends specifically overload on AP -3 guns.
I mean, that's just because GW is a bunch of bitches. Talk to your friends, play Attack on Titan with one Imperial/Chaos Knight and their entire 500pt army, no Control Points or Strategems for the Knight player, just dakka!
"You'll probably want to play a few games at 1K"
So I’m collecting MY third army, I have 5k in necrons, 7k in chaos space marines, 1k of nids, I’m still working on my nids, but I might also jump to tau and chaos knights too because people around where I live are selling stuff for cheap
love the video and Quality!
audio is a little soft could be a1-3 DB louder.
The problem for me is i like the thousand suns because they are a bunch of super powerful psychic doofs who apparently fail all the time, and painting them would be the death of me.
I just got into Warhammer I love building and painting but honestly wanna give a try playing a game but idk anyone or where to find people who kind enough to help and stuff
Can you guys increase the master volume or mic input volume on your future videos?
They are very quiet and the ads before hand are the complete opposite.
We've gotten this feedback a few times this week. We'll try looking into it but with our hardware it might cause background noise issues. It might take a few weeks to hone it in.
Me watching this with my 3k points of necrons and HH emperors children and my 2k points of space wolves and emperors children for 40k
As a Tau player myself currently building commander farsight while I’m watching this every tell player is a big Mech nerd (which is also me)
I overdid it a bit on my Necrons, it’s been a while since I played/counted but I jumped straight to 2500pts and I think I got 4-5k within a year or two of collecting.
My first army was Imperial Guatd, specifically only the Krieg models.
"You can't bring just 1 knight in 500 pt game"
That sign can't stop me because I can't read
I found your channel a few months ago. I used to play Fantasy & 40k back in high school before Necromunda came out then played that when it released.
I haven’t touched a model in perhaps 25 years but always wanted to play again.
Thanks for your channel, I’m going to see about picking up a new army and what older models I can salvage.
You probably won’t see this but I appreciate what you guys do
Good channel. You've earned a subscriber
This for other factions would be cool
i love farsight enclaves. the only faction which likes real freedom XD
Thank god for 10th being the Ghostkeel's edition. That model sucked in 8th and 9th, but is a staple in 10th.
watching this like i dont have 2 armies already
I'm pretty new to all this, been doing a lot of research on different factions and the Tyranids are really speaking to me, I really like how they look, and I love how relentless they are.
This video is nice for the idea of how to start, but I still don't understand how to use this and translate it to start up with tyranids..
Any suggestions? Combat patrol? something smaller, or completely different?
My Shield-Captain is just a custodian in a cape.
I love tau but oddly enough I actually don't really like mech anime. What drew me to tau was their philosophy and them being the closest thing to the good guys in the 40k world; its why I almost went with salamanders as my first army. But the nail in the coffin was Commander Farsight, my favorite color is red and he's like the morally best person in the lore.
I wonder how much this list changes with the 10th edition adjustments. I am especially interested as I am currently eyeing to get into Tau as my first army.
I want to start picking an army, but I can't pull the trigger because I feel like it won't be the correct choice. I like a lot of the different armies
I know this is an old comment, but I'd recommend watching their "What kind of player are you" video. It talks about different player archetypes and the armies that go with them.
Can you please do a video like this for Eldar?
Tau drone bodies are the easiest item to 3d print. I use up all the extra drone parts.
Man, this is great content.
Great video! I'd love to see one with a Death Guard focus!
I'm sitting here assembling my Necrons and I realize I should've started Tau for savings
Needs a 10th edition update. Well, whenever Tau come out for it.
What if I really don’t have any one to play a game with but still want to learn how the game works?
There are a lots of tutorial on UA-cam, and you can watch Battle reports to understand better the flow of the game and have a better sense of scale
Step One: Start buying models and a thematic army you think is really cool!
Step Two: Bankruptcy.
Looking to get my first army as I’ve finally decided to go THOUSAND SONS any tips ?
I have the dark imperium box, I also bought a mephytic blight hauler, i really like that unit, I'd like to get more of them and customize them a bit. I got those things, but all I've built was the space marines. I'm almost done painting them.
I got really irritated by the switch to 9th. So I just put everything away.
Not which of those factions I would rather play.
Aight so what about a 2k army ofTau Sept, Shadowsun, Longstrike, 3 teams of 3 Broadsides, 3 Hammerheads, and filling the remaining 40 points with Tactical (Marker) Drones? It seems like it would either go surprisingly well or pretty bad and not really in between
A strike team to hold home field objectives is not a bad idea.
Did this change with 10th edition
The most important part of starting an army is buying at least some of it from your FLGS. If your FLGS is a GW store however, ebay and ministomp get your money gg ez
As someone who got into Tau back in 4th ed, It's weird hearing "I don't jive with the traditional tau lore (and etherials spellcasting) and wanna go Farsight instead", imo Farsight now is as close to "traditional" Tau as you can get