How FAKERY Destroyed CoD Trickshotting (History of Cheaters)

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @retro-meister
    @retro-meister  8 місяців тому +30

    PLZ LIKE/COMMENT/SUB. DISCORD: discord.gg/VPvuQHqqHQ

    • @KazamHD
      @KazamHD 8 місяців тому +5

      fuck me thats a well put together documentary

    • @BrolySnipez
      @BrolySnipez 8 місяців тому +2

      Absolutely well done bro, You should make one about modern cheaters next time!

    • @razzo086
      @razzo086 7 місяців тому

      Thanking cheaters is pathetic

    • @BrolySnipez
      @BrolySnipez 7 місяців тому

      @@razzo086 thanking for an exposé video? being upset over it is pathetic🤣

    • @razzo086
      @razzo086 7 місяців тому

      @@BrolySnipez who’s upset?…🤷🏼‍♂

  • @invertedsausage8649
    @invertedsausage8649 7 місяців тому +1014

    As long as the screaming kid clips are legit my nostalgia is in tact.

    • @invertedsausage8649
      @invertedsausage8649 7 місяців тому +13

      @spawnpktomhanks6865 damn bro. Right in my feels..

    • @andrecruz7347
      @andrecruz7347 7 місяців тому +1

      @NathanielHiggerton nooooooooooooooo :(

    • @TheFibie007
      @TheFibie007 7 місяців тому +6

      Comments seem to have been deleted. Are the clips fake?

    • @welcomeUNKNOWN
      @welcomeUNKNOWN 7 місяців тому +30

      ​@@TheFibie007most of those are exaggerated and staged (as parodies aswell). Some are real but it's hard to tell these days because a lot of the clips are so old or the footage doesn't exist. not that it matters anymore but the funny reactions are history now

    • @nman551
      @nman551 7 місяців тому +26

      MOM GET THE CAMERA

  • @avoidthevo1d
    @avoidthevo1d 7 місяців тому +1294

    Okay "Match Bouns" is straight up hilarious

    • @el_floppo9159
      @el_floppo9159 7 місяців тому +16

      9:04

    • @oflipsii9905
      @oflipsii9905 7 місяців тому +37

      I remember seeing that clip thinking it was a different language I was oblivious

    • @banana9494
      @banana9494 7 місяців тому +2

      @@oflipsii9905 lolll

    • @dawgtuff
      @dawgtuff 7 місяців тому

      Lol i know🤣🤣🤣

    • @swearingiscaring7209
      @swearingiscaring7209 7 місяців тому

      Fr

  • @suddens
    @suddens 8 місяців тому +623

    Saw Trust mentioned in 2024 is wild, I was tryna find his funny ass videos a couple months back

    • @7evive
      @7evive 7 місяців тому +1

      I been trying to find his vids for years!!! Was so funny

    • @StabCatts
      @StabCatts 7 місяців тому +5

      Haven’t heard that name in years lmao😭

    • @DisobeyZOG
      @DisobeyZOG 7 місяців тому

      Saw Trust was hilarious 😂😂😂

    • @lydellthompson831
      @lydellthompson831 7 місяців тому +2

      I wonder whatever happened to him?

    • @raspy1135
      @raspy1135 7 місяців тому

      dam that name brings me back havent heard that name in years

  • @Caiptine
    @Caiptine 7 місяців тому +198

    trickshotting seems so forgotten. It is a core memory of my childhood to this day, thanks for this video

    • @D3ATHCOR3_DAD
      @D3ATHCOR3_DAD 7 місяців тому +2

      It's just not nearly as popular nowadays. there's still plenty of content to be found

    • @BlackLotusVisualArchive
      @BlackLotusVisualArchive 7 місяців тому +2

      @@D3ATHCOR3_DAD and the cheating is just as bad as it's ever been. PC MW2 is unplayable because of trickshot clans who hack the game to hit clips

    • @tayl2565
      @tayl2565 7 місяців тому +1

      Play black opps 4 bolt action mode if u miss trick shots with snipers. It's still alive there lol

    • @tayl2565
      @tayl2565 7 місяців тому +1

      Play black opps 4 bolt action mode if u miss trick shots with snipers. It's still alive there lol

    • @D3ATHCOR3_DAD
      @D3ATHCOR3_DAD 7 місяців тому +1

      @BlackLotusVisualArchive Unfortunately cheating in online games won't go away. It's EVERYWHERE. There's a reason it's a multi billion dollar industry. I've started just running PC checks on anyone I think is suspicious and reporting them/emailing devs with evidence.

  • @p9k
    @p9k 8 місяців тому +456

    imagine how many people got robbed chances of joining big teams with actual legit clips.

    • @jariyadesigns
      @jariyadesigns 7 місяців тому +6

      Damn… foreal

    • @SpanishArmadaProd
      @SpanishArmadaProd 7 місяців тому +4

      i mean they did it too soo

    • @NeverRnB
      @NeverRnB 7 місяців тому +8

      Saw a bunch of my friends miss out on joining big clans, none of them wanted to join the hacked lobbies (this was even before people starting legitimately faking clips)

    • @AOLdailup
      @AOLdailup 7 місяців тому +25

      Imagine those big clans were doing the same thing to become those big clans. Imagine those big clans actually hacked the whole damn time. Now, imagine all that and how rigged everything actually was at those times. 😂

    • @MrBololicious
      @MrBololicious 6 місяців тому +1

      Me

  • @rorus9530
    @rorus9530 7 місяців тому +45

    These guys were a plague on the normal players trying to play the games. This was really the start of wide scale cheating in cod.

    • @YoDz-117
      @YoDz-117 7 місяців тому +6

      Exactly. I played SnD daily onMW2. Trickshotting ruined SnD

    • @rorus9530
      @rorus9530 7 місяців тому +6

      @@YoDz-117 Yeah, trying to have a good game on Afghan in particular was impossible.

    • @HK-tn2ny
      @HK-tn2ny 7 місяців тому +2

      its why treyarch killed trickshotting after bo2 by making it hard af in bo3 and removing final killcams in bo4 and cold war

    • @j_james_01
      @j_james_01 7 місяців тому +1

      Trickshotting made cod popular. The games are so forgettable and boring

    • @oshwaflz
      @oshwaflz 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@j_james_01 popular yes, but Id bet that there were so many complaints about trickshots that it wasnt worth keeping in game. Yeah its getting views online but 12 year olds on youtube doesnt translate to sales.

  • @Dereklander
    @Dereklander 8 місяців тому +358

    Crazy, I remember the days of locked lobbies and console mods but the photoshop packs were something. Great video, retro.

    • @sbp___9865
      @sbp___9865 8 місяців тому +1

      lol cool seeing you here derek

    • @gew43
      @gew43 8 місяців тому +1

      100th (:

    • @SunnyDeLite
      @SunnyDeLite 7 місяців тому

      I remember people locking lobbies in MW2 FFA. Sad he missed that.

    • @richpryor9650
      @richpryor9650 3 місяці тому

      @@SunnyDeLite My friends all trying to get the nuke

  • @iCantEvenButtonsGaming
    @iCantEvenButtonsGaming 7 місяців тому +130

    I remember being invited to join a private MW3 lobby to "practice" trickshots. They hit one after 30 minutes and I was like "oh no way you hit me? Nice!"
    They got all mad that I 'ruined the recording' and said I should just make excited noises if they hit me. Realized this was trickshotting faking to enter an org and dipped that second.

    • @SpeedyKhaledGD
      @SpeedyKhaledGD 7 місяців тому +2

      Imagine if that was the case with most clips that we know

    • @andrewdinns1746
      @andrewdinns1746 7 місяців тому +19

      that was and is trickshotting. you can go watch people stream trick shopping lobbies occasionally. It will literally be 30 min. nobody makes a shot all setup attempts..

    • @Nec
      @Nec 7 місяців тому +6

      @@andrewdinns1746 Maybe in private match open lobbies sure, but if you pull up to 95% of trickshotting live streams theres playing legit trying to get to last in Search and Destroy and hit a trickshot on the last enemy remaining who is most of the time sweating their balls off 🤷‍♂

    • @isaacfernandez6694
      @isaacfernandez6694 3 місяці тому +3

      Trick shots are the steriod users of the gaming world. Straight bull shit and disgraceful. Back when it was hot knew they were fake. Loved quick scoping, when i actually learned how to.

    • @isaacfernandez6694
      @isaacfernandez6694 3 місяці тому

      ​@@andrewdinns1746yea reminds me of pimp my ride the crew talked mad shit and the person. #fake haha

  • @STZ3E
    @STZ3E 8 місяців тому +295

    Bo3 not having match bonus in public matches completely turned the era from skillfully faking clips to blatantly faking clips.

    • @DisobeyZOG
      @DisobeyZOG 7 місяців тому +63

      Trickshotting was dead by bo3 lmao

    • @mikederdrache3305
      @mikederdrache3305 7 місяців тому +13

      More reasons why bo3 is great

    • @liquidsweg4858
      @liquidsweg4858 7 місяців тому +22

      @@mikederdrache3305 *is trash

    • @mikederdrache3305
      @mikederdrache3305 7 місяців тому +7

      @@liquidsweg4858 how dare you talk bad about my glorious bo3.

    • @bigbrisk8423
      @bigbrisk8423 7 місяців тому

      Bo3 not nearly the best cod 😂😂 mw2 was waaay better even bo2 was better​@@mikederdrache3305

  • @louispiccolo7254
    @louispiccolo7254 7 місяців тому +76

    This was worse than finding out Santa wasn’t real.

    • @tarqil6278
      @tarqil6278 3 місяці тому

      No real trickshotter’s faked clips, we use to kill it

    • @kryptiac
      @kryptiac 3 місяці тому

      😭😭😭

    • @SBV-BandiCooot
      @SBV-BandiCooot 3 місяці тому

      I swear this hurt my feelings 😂😭 that BO vid from faze agony I remembered it.

    • @暗闇
      @暗闇 3 місяці тому +2

      Santa isn’t real? :/

    • @garyclint9335
      @garyclint9335 2 місяці тому

      Santa isn’t real?

  • @RRyxn
    @RRyxn 8 місяців тому +55

    I was pretty deep into trickshotting on mw2, i even have my old montages still up. I was so young and naive i really only thought the extent of it was having a dummy stand still so you can hit shots. This goes deeper than i ever imagined

  • @TheHare
    @TheHare Місяць тому +1

    I remember my friends and I losing interest in the trickshotting scene because the clips were just getting too complex and impossible to replicate. I had no idea at the time that they were faked! GREAT VIDEO!

  • @ShevaDecai
    @ShevaDecai 8 місяців тому +273

    I used to watch a lot of trickshotting videos when I was a kid, and I honestly thought that there's little to no cheating scandals back then, so this video is really eye-opening to me. Thank you for your amazing work on this video!

    • @rroy1985
      @rroy1985 8 місяців тому +4

      😭how many frauds got into faze bru

    • @STZ3E
      @STZ3E 8 місяців тому +12

      Kids have been setting up clips since 2009.. FaZe has kept their reputation relatively clean because anyone who got snitched on would get kicked. They were all faking clips for the teamtages. Not all clips are fake, but look at Zeimzy & those guys who pop up randomly but then fizzle out just as fast.
      In all reality, FaZe, SoaR, Red, Obey, etc. all needed fake clips to push the bar even higher for trickshotting. Some of the most beloved trickshotters in the world faked their clips.
      In early 2013, I had connections during the cod ghost season & guys like Adapt were setting up to get a boost in ratings for the new game. Adapt ended up getting into FaZe that year

    • @DXV-97
      @DXV-97 8 місяців тому +1

      Saw trust

    • @OriginalWillyJam
      @OriginalWillyJam 8 місяців тому +1

      They were going on, you just didn’t know about them 🤦‍♂️

    • @AutomaticHQ
      @AutomaticHQ 8 місяців тому

      We miss the good ole days!

  • @llllIllIIl
    @llllIllIIl 7 місяців тому +7

    “its one of the 10 commandments… they shall not EB” well spoken rain 🙏

  • @elmoneyyy
    @elmoneyyy 8 місяців тому +80

    This has been atleast 8 years ago? You show the clips one by one and my brain remembers every detail of the clip. I used to love watching trickshotting videos/montages. I remeber the faze 5 announcement. I remember the camo requirements. Thanks for a great video

    • @Boobiebumpp
      @Boobiebumpp 7 місяців тому +2

      I remember faze coming out and me being like "wow, this stuff is fake as fuck"
      Yet still so many people wanted to be like them. Glad videos like this are made.

    • @vTransQueen
      @vTransQueen 6 місяців тому +2

      Fr its engrained in my mind

  • @PsyQo
    @PsyQo 7 місяців тому +7

    Great depth into this video wow

  • @gucciduffelbag
    @gucciduffelbag 8 місяців тому +109

    Brought back some traumatic memories cheers

  • @khure711
    @khure711 7 місяців тому +14

    It’s so funny coming across videos like these, as a retired veteran I spent all these years fighting in real wars and not knowing about any of this, being in a real war is like being on the moon, movies video games all that is just non existent, things that happen you are completely separated, like the 2008 housing crisis I didn’t know about for years after it happened. So stumbling across videos like this is like a little gem of peeking into the past of a group of people lives that something affected them in some way.

  • @Racerize
    @Racerize 8 місяців тому +1338

    As somebody who has trickshotted half of my lifetime, I was certain a video like this would be filled with inaccuracies due to how differently documented CoD trickshotting is as opposed to other online gaming communities, but I'm pleasantly surprised! No misinformation & you got everything down to a T on the issue and explained it all in a really digestible, entertaining way. I've been wanting someone to make a video like this for years & I'm glad it finally came. :) Amazing work! (also that was my saw trust joke LMAOOO)

    • @linksipoo
      @linksipoo 8 місяців тому +3

      its a banger

    • @ianjones1708
      @ianjones1708 8 місяців тому +16

      same. i wish i could go back. trickshotting was so fun. i made it in some big clans too. so many memories.

    • @darthgorthaur258
      @darthgorthaur258 8 місяців тому +2

      Ok ive missed the joke...what is it ??

    • @DuhPyx
      @DuhPyx 8 місяців тому +1

      That’s exactly what I was thinking as I clicked on this video… thought it was gonna be all bullshit allegations but nah… :(

    • @Nitroh-
      @Nitroh- 8 місяців тому +4

      Racer is my pick for someone to make an hour long Trickshotting iceberg video. There's been a couple over the last couple years but they don't touch on the real depths of the community.

  • @nihilistblues
    @nihilistblues 7 місяців тому +13

    As someone who still creates trickshotting content to this day this video was super nostalgic and enjoyable! It was really interesting hearing all of these stories again after so many years. Thank you for putting in the time and effort to produce a high quality and accurate recounting of the trickshotting community! It was such a wild and chaotic time in the trickshotting community back then, you really had to be there to truly understand. I would love to see some more trickshotting related videos from you, great work man!

  • @q1uma
    @q1uma 8 місяців тому +14

    The worst part is that the cheaters gaslit the legit players by making fun of the vigilantes for “caring too much about call of duty”. We’ll never know just how much is fake, and the sad part is that even at trickshotting’s most dead point, we still have cheaters

  • @thomasf1146
    @thomasf1146 6 місяців тому +8

    Bro ruined my childhood in basically 28 mins.

    • @rowertoide
      @rowertoide 3 місяці тому

      and then proceed to thank the cheaters

  • @AutomaticHQ
    @AutomaticHQ 8 місяців тому +49

    Thank you for making a video on our prestigious but also strange community, I think it's great to show a time frame of it's prime to the state it's in today and it sucks to see what it has become but it is what it is...
    P.S. If you remember us (Auto), you're a real OG!

    • @retro-meister
      @retro-meister  8 місяців тому +6

      I remember!

    • @DXV-97
      @DXV-97 8 місяців тому +2

      Deffo remember

    • @Hugh_Jassle
      @Hugh_Jassle 8 місяців тому +2

      Jfc I feel old now

    • @LucnotLuck
      @LucnotLuck 8 місяців тому +3

      Imagine getting ended by Faze Banks

    • @JwnFTW
      @JwnFTW 8 місяців тому +7

      I remember trying for your recruitment challenges a couple times. Shit I still wanna join, what’s up?!?! 😂😂😂

  • @Kiefyx
    @Kiefyx 7 місяців тому +9

    WillyG was always such an underrated figure in the tickshotting comm. Actual fucking LEGEND, "The WillyG Shot" is still fire.

  • @Based_Goddd
    @Based_Goddd 8 місяців тому +37

    At this point many can’t really care too much since the scene is dead. But at the time a lot of people would be upset due to unfair competition. Great video for a trip down memory lane.
    Maybe next time if you didn’t do it already, cover the ‘sniper lobbies’ from cod 4 mw3 waw etc. it’s not quite the same as these fake lobbies, but, when the games were active these players choosing to hit kill feeds in sniper lobbies were looked down upon.
    Maybe you could do a vid about how sniper lobbies changed kill feeding, and then, saved the dead games when they died out.

    • @Based_Goddd
      @Based_Goddd 8 місяців тому +4

      @retro I forgot to mention if you do consider this idea, reach out to Raw Chai. He’s Australian and is well known in the sniping clips community, he also used to do cod 4 sl’s and has a wide grasp on the ‘standards’ for clips back then.
      I’m pretty sure he still streams and is active now a days, at least like half a year ago he was.
      Even if it’s not a dual video // interview section with him, he would be able to offer massive insight and fill in the blanks in DM’s.

  • @bigapeallcity
    @bigapeallcity 7 місяців тому +4

    Trickshotting, in my view, is always a masochistic act to represent your skill and dedication to COD. I never understood why people threw so much money at it, and why people cheated to the top. Good ass video, good ass memories. I recently went on the AW MW2 client and hit a shot for old times sake for a montage, still feels as great now as it did then.

  • @DuckyTheGamer
    @DuckyTheGamer 8 місяців тому +5

    I remember watching the Saw Trust videos back in the day, what a throwback. Even with the cheaters and the fakes I still look back at my MW2/BO2 trickshotting days with good memories in mind. Crazy how everything ended turning out for the trickshot community.

  • @Glxdiatorr
    @Glxdiatorr 7 місяців тому +2

    Honestly its not gonna change anything but the level of quality of this video is so far beyond what would be required, incredible hahaha

  • @ItsBills1337
    @ItsBills1337 8 місяців тому +21

    i will never forget the gold times of trickshotting you just had to be there for this moment, favorite gaming time for me

  • @XXXTENTAClON227
    @XXXTENTAClON227 20 днів тому +1

    The locked lobbies is lowkey wholesome, I can’t imagine this working nowadays, there’d be too many sweats

  • @Veskov
    @Veskov 8 місяців тому +7

    this man single handedly brought back a wild time in my memory that i went back and watched all the trickshot videos that are unlisted or private on my channel 😭

  • @NMFO
    @NMFO 7 місяців тому +5

    been waiting for a video like this for a while, very spot on

  • @matt13classic
    @matt13classic 8 місяців тому +212

    Speedrunning and Trickshotting, the two communities that I've spent most of my time in since being an avid internet user. Retro, thank you for another video!
    Edit: also shoutout to the WingsOfRedemption clip, truuuuue OG

    • @YOURDADSNEPHEW
      @YOURDADSNEPHEW 8 місяців тому +10

      Now days when i see a trick shot cod video i think mod menu, xim, crous, keyboard. Yall ruined your own community

    • @matt13classic
      @matt13classic 8 місяців тому +8

      @@YOURDADSNEPHEW well I wasn't aware of a lot of these cheating methods until retro told me, I trickshotted when MW2 came out and the 2 years following that. Back when I started, even setting up was frowned upon, that was considered "cheating" by many. For the last 10 years+, setting up has been widely accepted, and even encouraged in public lobbies when you're last alive. Trickshotting was at its largest in like 2010-12 I wanna say, although that may be my own bias, but I don't see how we ruined our own community when a lot of the things you mention started happening when trickshotting was beyond its prime days.

    • @djtoxicdhg
      @djtoxicdhg 8 місяців тому

      Soo true

    • @matt13classic
      @matt13classic 8 місяців тому +6

      @TheRealCatof so is trickshotting dude, maybe more so, we're all cringelords

    • @bellowick
      @bellowick 8 місяців тому +6

      @@matt13classic Trickshotting is 100% more cringe, speedrunning can be explained by simply saying "i want to beat my favorite games as fast as possible". Try explaining the trickshotting days without sounding like you got bullied at school.
      For the record, I have done a fair bit of trickshotting and have never tried speedrunning. Make of that what you will.

  • @__thebadger
    @__thebadger 6 місяців тому +4

    I used to be a trickshotter back in mw2-bo2 days when i was in middle school. I remember hitting a couple of reverse 360s in donination matches and freaking out. Then go on youtube to see guys doing 1080 care package cancels and getting headshots to end a round on search and destroy. I remember getting so discouraged thinking that i was ass no matter how much i practiced trickshotting. I had a suspicion they were cheating, but could not prove it beyond "what theyre doing is seemingly impossible"

  • @HowieRaps
    @HowieRaps 8 місяців тому +32

    On MW2 you used to be able to hold X (on xbox) while going into a lobby, and it wouldn't fill with randoms, so you could invite whoever you want to fill the public lobby. Was one of the earlier setup methods of MW2

    • @dxkp
      @dxkp 8 місяців тому +6

      I was wondering if he was going to mention this. I remember doing this a few times 😂😂

    • @HowieRaps
      @HowieRaps 8 місяців тому +3

      @@dxkp same 🤣 or u remember bare bones? U could get into lobbies with ur friends if u held x as well and then they could just join off you lol

    • @dxkp
      @dxkp 8 місяців тому +3

      @@HowieRaps yep and we would play team tactical too for 4v4 snd haha

    • @mills8188
      @mills8188 5 місяців тому +1

      Bomb lobby

    • @dirtbiker5863
      @dirtbiker5863 3 місяці тому

      Yes thank you! I just posted this!!

  • @JimmyCrackorn
    @JimmyCrackorn 7 місяців тому +44

    This shows how full of it Activision is because they made changes around cheating content creators. The Theater Mode was removed from CoD years ago, and that was bogus. Because I absolutely refuse to spend money on another CoD game, I only play Warzone for free and have no clue if it's back or not, but Theater Mode made catching cheaters a whole lot easier. It recorded the matches via Computer Vision, so everything was captured and the perspective could be changed like we were working inside the engine's IDE. It recorded every drop of raw data, populated the scene according to that data, then replayed everything in that data as a video with an unlocked camera - but it wasn't a video file. This made for significantly better CoD players and seasoned hacker hunters. It also easily exposed liars who claimed achievements they didn't have. Removing that clearly helped those influencers to keep up the act while being malicious towards the rest of the community.

    • @Veltrosstho
      @Veltrosstho 7 місяців тому +7

      Gotta. Sell. Dat. Merch.

    • @JimmyCrackorn
      @JimmyCrackorn 7 місяців тому

      @@Veltrosstho Good mention

    • @hovnocuc4551
      @hovnocuc4551 7 місяців тому +6

      Computer vision usually refers to something completelly different, but otherwise it's a good description. The feature actually originates from Quake 1 I believe; back then, the client was simply writing all the network data from server to a demo file and then replaying it back to the game loop. The theater mode works exactly the same, only it's the server recording the gamestate changes.
      I have a theory that these demo files could be used to detect humanized aimbots for M&K players by observing view angles change interval fluctuations as long as the player had mouse acceleration turned off.

    • @ProxCQ
      @ProxCQ 3 місяці тому +2

      They continued to make it easier for cheaters.
      In Warzone 1, we had access to stats, so a website existed to easily spot cheaters based on their stats.
      The cheaters complained that they had to constantly reduce their k/d and play bad to hide the cheats so Activision removed access to that. Now, if a person doesn't show you their stats in-game, you can't see it.

    • @Astroqualia
      @Astroqualia Місяць тому +1

      Theater mode and the lobby stat viewing in mw3 were the best features added back in the day. You could instantly see if the kid bragging about 3kdr in a lobby was legit.

  • @Matfridt
    @Matfridt 8 місяців тому +10

    It's been over a decade and "match bouns" still has me in tears every time LMFAOOOOO

  • @PR1ME98
    @PR1ME98 6 місяців тому +1

    Cheating/faking something in a game is disgusting.
    But massive bigups to the guys who actually do the math to find out if something isn’t right in the game.
    And I respect Viiz for exposing himself. Not many people would fess up like that.

  • @Connor_.
    @Connor_. 8 місяців тому +7

    Man I’ve been around in the cod/sniping scene since 2009 and I remember almost all of these happening, crazy how quick time has gone by but the games and community back then were amazing

  • @Raver
    @Raver 7 місяців тому +1

    Incredible video man. I faked clips myself back in the day partially because it was impossible to compete anymore. Even when exposing them to leads in private nothing would happen. I also made a video where I exposed myself lol.
    Also side note: The only inaccuracy in the video is that Warpzy wasn't actually the person that hit the fake clip in the Live lobby with FaZe Adapt & FaZe Rain. If my memory serves me well he was suspected to be faking clips by my friends & I. One of our friends used to be a big time hacker so he changed his in-game name to Ion Warpzy, got to join the game, faked the shot and that led to him being questioned by the FaZe guys. We then dm'ed Rain the info about the file change how that's how u can know if he fakes or not and it turned out to be true.
    COD Trickshotting was a huge part of my life and it sucks that cheating has basically ended the entire scene. Worse that I felt the need to also take part in it. Lots of good memories and real clips tho, wouldn't change any of it even if I could. Also found out so many other people faked clips while doing it which was probably even crazier. Almost every top guy that wasn't already in FaZe faked clips :/

  • @TehAwesomer
    @TehAwesomer 8 місяців тому +32

    I don't understand how Agony could possibly be forgiven for his repeated cheating. Pro gaming + social media is weird.

    • @BeefyCats
      @BeefyCats 7 місяців тому +4

      its funny becasue he literally sucks at cod lol. i genuinely think I'm at least as good as him. Faking clips secured him a spot in faze for life and they still dont care that he sucks compared to every other good sniper rn

    • @rmx39
      @rmx39 7 місяців тому

      you know agony is 2 people right?

    • @TannerLindberg
      @TannerLindberg 7 місяців тому +3

      Pro gaming isn't weird. Faze are not professional they are a social media org.

    • @TehAwesomer
      @TehAwesomer 6 місяців тому +3

      @@TannerLindberg Faze sure seemed to be a professional team when they were playing PUBG 🤷‍♂maybe there's some distinction I'm missing?

    • @Dill._
      @Dill._ 3 місяці тому

      @@BeefyCatsthey are both good snipers with very accurate shots faze wanted them. Just because he fakes small stuff 10+ years ago doesn’t mean he sucks based off your clips that aren’t even usable in a montage you are no where near on his skill level 😂

  • @ByDrano
    @ByDrano 7 місяців тому +4

    Wow Agony and Wartek, haven’t heard those names in a while, you actually did go to the start of this. Great video on the greatest of times

  • @Vantoxify
    @Vantoxify 8 місяців тому +31

    this was actually really well made. I was in the trickshot comm to watch and see the outcome of Tenser faking clips and it was wild , Tenser started a whole wave of people faking clips in private match using match bonus assets and the match bonus calculator. There's also the whole cronus thing with scripting trickshots and I think it's lame but when Potter said it, I believe he got doxxed or at least a ton of hate from that side of the comm. It was also confirmed that both FaZe Apex and FaZe Temperrr have faked trickshots but were never caught so they exposed themselves years later when it didn't matter anymore. The whole Warpzy thing was very disappointing as well and I felt trickshotting was making a comeback but then it died off again because someone that was big at the time faked clips.

    • @Jelster64
      @Jelster64 8 місяців тому +1

      Do you remember when Apex and Temperrr said this/which clips they faked? I'm really curious about this but can't find anything.

    • @Vantoxify
      @Vantoxify 8 місяців тому +5

      @@Jelster64 ohhhhh crap I forgot Apex deleted all of his old videos. So in Apex Mix Episode 12 the opener was faked. It was a hitmarker but he rage killed and edited the killcam to make it look like he hit. On MW2 the bullet shoots in killcam at 0.3 or 0.2 but in Apex's episode it was 2.2 which is impossible. For Temperrr it was from his MW2 montage called Possessed, it was the closer and he said that shot was aimbot. I wish Apex's video was still public because they admitted those clips were fake in 2017, for Apex it's obvious but not for Temperrr

    • @Jelster64
      @Jelster64 8 місяців тому

      ​@@VantoxifyThanks, very interesting. Btw I recently found out some legend has been reuploading lots of his stuff on youtube @Notfazeapex

    • @AutomaticHQ
      @AutomaticHQ 8 місяців тому +2

      Hello

  • @kei_sc2
    @kei_sc2 Місяць тому +1

    Ok so Ive been thinking about this a lot over the years. I ran a small time montage channel and did a ton of editing way back in the MW2 days (est 2009). I wasnt much of a trickshotter but was on a team that was mainly trickshot centric. I would often play public S&D with some of my other video creators. They would often back out of lobbies until they found a lobby with other like minded individuals. They would often "play it out" until one team had 1 player left and that remaining player would then go to a predetermined location where they could allow the opposing team to attempt shots on them for a bit. People would often even just stand there until someone hit a shot. This was an entire culture in S&D lobbies where it was pretty much expected to set up for the opposing team to hit a shot if they were last alive. This is pretty much why every montage had shots in the exact same place. People just knew where to stand if last alive. If someone wanted them to stand somewhere else for a different shot they would typically shoot the ground with their pistol to signal the last alive to follow them. Its a shame that pretty much all trickshot montages were set up shots. I probably have some old recordings somewhere of games where you could hear eveyone talking in pregame lobby or complaining about how the last alive isnt helping them set up their shots. This even went all the way up to SoaR and the other mainstream teams. I did have a bit of personal experience with some well known players.

  • @Ipodmemorizer11
    @Ipodmemorizer11 8 місяців тому +10

    Great video! Haven't trickshotted since 2014 but it was like a trip down memory lane seeing the Agony drama and Saw Trust exposés again. It's nowhere near the level of faking that trickshotting evolved into, but the early days where "being chill" and setting up were the biggest controversies deserved a mention imo.

    • @downgraded
      @downgraded 6 місяців тому

      wowww i completely forgot about that until i read this comment. i remember saying "chill for bill" lol

  • @Eazy_Bruh
    @Eazy_Bruh 7 місяців тому +1

    Bro I can only imagine the amount of true legit players out there that deserved to be at the top….. will never be seen.

  • @HowieRaps
    @HowieRaps 8 місяців тому +11

    As someone who used to play legit with faze and optic, and a bunch of others in the scene, it makes me sad so many good trickshotters got outshined by fakers & cheaters. Cheers, awesome video 🎉

    • @animalicon3535
      @animalicon3535 7 місяців тому

      who are you???? not tryna be mean thats awesome but used to play with faze? and optic? shame u didnt get to go mainstream unless it wasnt meant to be or not yet... but i agree so many legit mfs got overshadowed bc the faking clips were easier to do and meant more to upload compared to legit and little kids yk care abt quantity not quality

    • @HowieRaps
      @HowieRaps 7 місяців тому

      @@animalicon3535 my gamertag was "Trickshotter" and I guarantee you some of the OGs still remember me haha, I wish I would've uploaded some footage with them but I wanted to be respectful and not a fanboy lmfao. And honestly I was right on the cusp of joining a major team when shit hit the fan in my life. I moved out at 17 and pretty much had to leave it behind. Everything happens for a reason though, but it does make me sad thinking of all the people I used to play with lol. I never joined any pro teams but I was ranked #2 for sniper 1v1s on game battles haha. If you look back at my older videos I was pretty good. Nowadays I can't even play on the sensitivity I used to 🤣🤣

    • @HowieRaps
      @HowieRaps 7 місяців тому

      @@animalicon3535 and yeah I agree, I had some friends who were cracked asf who never got their shine cuz of lack of equipment, editing, or just not being as good as the ppl faking clips. I wish I had the time/ability to make content more during that era because it was honestly dope how widespread the friendships went. I remember playing Mike Myers on cod4 with zzirgrizz, muzza fuzza, optic jambi, optic h3cz. I even had footage on my old PC of it haha, but had to leave it behind when I moved out.

    • @HowieRaps
      @HowieRaps 7 місяців тому

      @@animalicon3535 idk why I'm rambling about this so much lmfao, but faze trick once offered me like $1600 for my gamertag lmfao. Might've been partly why they kept inviting me to games hahah

    • @TheImSource
      @TheImSource 6 місяців тому +1

      You're a random lol.

  • @criley0007
    @criley0007 5 місяців тому +2

    Match bouns and saw trust are legendary

  • @sxrsi7277
    @sxrsi7277 8 місяців тому +11

    I forgot about Saw Trust, he was really out there doing gods work.

  • @requiemagent3014
    @requiemagent3014 7 місяців тому +1

    Cutting two clips together is called splicing. It was very common to do this for Speedruns before streaming on twitch became a thing. Splicing isn't done anymore today because most people require a VoD now.

  • @rekzuh
    @rekzuh 8 місяців тому +4

    As someone who lived through the absolute beginning, every single event you mentioned, and the downfall of the community... this is one of the best videos ever made. - OG RiZe/TGN Rep

  • @tracts
    @tracts 7 місяців тому +2

    Shouldve talked about the whole Super/Savior Mod situation. That whole era was crazy. Realizing that you could just load up a menu on the PC versions of mw2/bo2 and fake the controller button icons and it looked pretty real for the time even without the controller support. Finding out RobC and a few others were using that was crazy lol. I'm pretty sure there was a lot more because you could tell by the graphics and playercards looking slightly different. I always thought Avoid (from Saw and Despize I'm pretty sure) used it as well

  • @Prymistic
    @Prymistic 8 місяців тому +13

    Never understood people who were comfortable about building their career on top of lies.

  • @TheOmegaStrange
    @TheOmegaStrange 7 місяців тому +1

    “ you misspell match bonus you said match bouns” 😭😭😭😭

  • @zanerios2776
    @zanerios2776 8 місяців тому +6

    a true source for content, not realizing i’ve been blind this whole time, just subbed man keep the content coming

  • @MyStolenAimbot
    @MyStolenAimbot 7 місяців тому

    Damn I remember growing up with all this drama. What a huge throwback. Thanks for the nostalgia of my childhood

  • @xAntoIRL
    @xAntoIRL 8 місяців тому +7

    What a trip down memory lane bro great vid . Tbh I spent more time on the game tryna hit clips than actually watching the vids as most did im sure and we had fun thats what really matters

  • @jeremyg8286
    @jeremyg8286 7 місяців тому

    The theatre system in BO1&2 was so awesome. Going back and seeing your cross map tomahawks in action was top tier cod.

  • @kyiokaOW
    @kyiokaOW 8 місяців тому +14

    i been in the ts scene since middle school days almost 9ish years ago and remember absolutely everything in this video. great video man.
    DUDE I REMEMBER MATCH BOUNS LMFAOO.

  • @Thunder_Bills22
    @Thunder_Bills22 Місяць тому +1

    Tenser really was our scooby doo villain and he would’ve gotten away with it if it weren’t for that meddling Saw Trustt

  • @cnspr_
    @cnspr_ 8 місяців тому +12

    23 now and I’ve never been apart of a more unique community since these days

    • @DisobeyZOG
      @DisobeyZOG 7 місяців тому +2

      You would’ve been a squeak

    • @jedimastu
      @jedimastu 6 місяців тому

      Felt

    • @TheImSource
      @TheImSource 6 місяців тому +1

      LOL you were like 11. Stop yapping non sense.

    • @DisobeyZOG
      @DisobeyZOG 6 місяців тому

      @@TheImSource could’ve been. in my community we had some good players that joined huge clans at young age.

    • @hulkhogan2113
      @hulkhogan2113 2 місяці тому

      ​@@DisobeyZOG SHUT UP NEWGEN

  • @duanekroneck2583
    @duanekroneck2583 6 місяців тому +1

    This genuinely ruined this whole thing for me, I don't really even wanna play cod anymore

  • @GlitchedPerception
    @GlitchedPerception 8 місяців тому +7

    Cheating and macros have only gotten worse. Now Faze pretty much endorses cheating.

  • @GamingSinz
    @GamingSinz 7 місяців тому +5

    i never knew agony formed obey

  • @ALC570
    @ALC570 8 місяців тому +8

    Gotta love Rain pulling the morality card lmao

    • @XXXTENTAClON227
      @XXXTENTAClON227 20 днів тому

      What did he do? If you think drug addiction is a question of morals… you have lost your mind

  • @xYajji
    @xYajji 6 місяців тому

    I used to be apart of this community but I never knew how deep faking clips went throughout this community it really opened my eyes.

  • @pilearts
    @pilearts 8 місяців тому +6

    wow this is really indepth. I totally forgot about locked lobbies, great video

  • @DoktorSAS
    @DoktorSAS 7 місяців тому

    A great video about it.
    I was a trickshotter and quit during the pandemic because of the amount of FAKE skill required to hit something.
    I was a known server owner on plutonium at the time and indeed the situation in the trickshotting community was much worse than expected. Players saw a small part of the garbage, I was unlucky and saw the worst of the trickshot community or the gang. Trickshotter went headlong into plutonium and in fact it was an all out war between servers and players.
    I enjoyed the game thank you for your dedication.

  • @xehP
    @xehP 8 місяців тому +42

    No way lmao
    I used to be part of this community, and the fact you make a video on this is crazy hahaha lets goooo

    • @JohnoSpams
      @JohnoSpams 8 місяців тому +2

      simpler times

    • @AutomaticHQ
      @AutomaticHQ 8 місяців тому

      Remember us?

    • @Baggerz182
      @Baggerz182 8 місяців тому

      repent to God

    • @tryzmsotryll
      @tryzmsotryll 3 місяці тому

      @@Baggerz182 fuck god i love noscoping

  • @Shmacss
    @Shmacss 7 місяців тому +3

    Bro made ts like a murder documentary lol

  • @A9GalaxyOfficial
    @A9GalaxyOfficial 8 місяців тому +17

    I would like to say this finally. After doing content about trickshotting and snipping , I found over the years we did it. That the “standers” kept getting higher and higher from a simple 360 no scope to 1080+ trickshots. I had a lot of talented people in the clan and we could only do so much to keep content rolling. To see how fast FaZe members, Soar and Dare to even Era was crazy , to believe that they could keep content rolling every single day is just stupid. These clans mocked the under dogs and made us work harder to grind for LEGIT CLIPS while they were FAKING clips the entire time. It’s also why they ( FaZe ) would only allow vouched members to join , pretty much their best friends IRL! Why you may ask ? Because they were faking clips from the start. They kept it a secret by giving them fame on social media. If you tried to expose them , they would send there 12 year old fans bases to spam your channels. We had a member in A9 that caught the guy you know as FaZe Kitty to this day, faking snipping feeding clips on BO2. It got so bad that kitty would send his hate army to our videos. There still proof on our videos till this day. Sad part of it all, we had to kick the member and get them to make an apology video on UA-cam so MR Fake Stupid FaZe Kitty would stop his harassment to our team. Me myself ( Sinister ) even viewed the BO2 clip of Kitty and it was 💯% faked. He had 4 people , friends more then likely que into the same game as him but on the other side and then had them stand behind the wall so he could hit a 4 piece on them.
    To see that weirdo still on the internet making trash content is baffling, cause he should have been stripped when he was faking clips on bo2 to join FaZe. But you know , FaZe always be picking up the kids that can fake it and hide it without getting caught.
    I just wanted to bring spot light on this cause FaZe and many more high tier ORGs fake clips.
    Wonder why FaZe doesn’t do ill cams anymore ??? Because Azza lobbies became public and then knew if they did there fake clips in Azza lobbies, people would catch on. Now knowing what Azza lobbies are, you can tell why they and many orgs like soar and dare where able to keep it on a hush hush bases.
    It’s funny to know that they stopped ill cams right as soon as the hacking community allowed the public to know what Azza Trickshot lobbies are. Know ask yourself this too when you actually use an IQ. How come they can’t do insane trickshots like a 1080+ with much combos in the shot? Because they can’t use azza to help them. That’s why on new gen Now in 2024, you see them hitting trickshots we would do when we were 12 🤣 FaZe is the scummy ORG hands down and Tommy, banks and Rain are the main part of this, tbh Rain was the one that brought the cheating to the table. Why he climbed the ranks so fast in the ORG. Just wish people would actually listen and do the math.
    Also before people be like oh FaZe would kick people and show that they were faking, yes they did but they only did it for one intent! That was to keep the name of FaZe in good standings and to make it look legit to UA-cam content creators so words of speculation wouldn’t spread. They honestly fooled the entire world , even the UA-camrs that find this stuff. FaZe will always cheat and lie! It’s in their losser DNA 🧬
    Under dog clans should have been the ones to go big, not the lying and cheating ORG you’d called FaZe! It should be called FAKERS!!!
    Azza public = no more insane trickshots and even Illcams as a whole. Stay woke kings !!!

    • @AutomaticHQ
      @AutomaticHQ 8 місяців тому +2

      We remember you but there is no way I’m reading this comment

    • @semajyo9628
      @semajyo9628 8 місяців тому

      Your spelling is fucking terrible

    • @trizzle8
      @trizzle8 7 місяців тому

      @@AutomaticHQyou’re lame lmao. IQ so low you can reply but not read it...

    • @c.conga11
      @c.conga11 7 місяців тому

      Sir, this is a Wendy's

    • @GEROKII
      @GEROKII 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@AutomaticHQTo be honest it was a great comment and very interesting. Your loss

  • @Cis-Stem_Failure
    @Cis-Stem_Failure 4 місяці тому

    It definitely doesn't tarnish the nostalgia for me because I never believed those "trick" shots were real in the first place.

  • @WarfareRidge
    @WarfareRidge 8 місяців тому +9

    Yet another banger from retro productions!

  • @DeltaCDN
    @DeltaCDN 7 місяців тому +1

    Shoutout to anyone who played BO2 and joined me and some friends in the human centipede we created during a team death match. It was just random people we met, and we all go into a line crawling on the ground prone on the map with the train.

  • @ItsTurtleHD
    @ItsTurtleHD 8 місяців тому +7

    thank you for making this

  • @kursna
    @kursna 5 місяців тому

    Faking and stealing clips was a well known issue at the time. Surprised a video like this took so long

  • @deadezikel
    @deadezikel 8 місяців тому +4

    world needed a vid like this

  • @Boatsneedwater
    @Boatsneedwater 7 місяців тому

    The tensor situation is what got me to notice the whole fake clips thing 😂😂

  • @Ardns
    @Ardns 8 місяців тому +4

    I’m surprised you didn’t mention FaZe Robbie/Super RobC/Savior Mod

    • @PaccManXL
      @PaccManXL 7 місяців тому

      idk if im remembering correctly but didn't faze natural fake clips aswell

  • @concretel10n
    @concretel10n 7 місяців тому +1

    Aah yes, keemstar, well known for always putting out accurate information

  • @RizztarSpeedruns
    @RizztarSpeedruns 8 місяців тому +14

    Not gonna name names, but my team leader back in the day faked a TON of clips and got into Faze's Red team.

    • @robrt999
      @robrt999 8 місяців тому +2

      plz name

    • @puke
      @puke 8 місяців тому

      @@robrt999SentiMNTL

    • @orbital_dropshot
      @orbital_dropshot 8 місяців тому +1

      He isnt cappin crazy how they were talkin so much shit about people faking clips when they started reacting to their own fake trickshots 🗣

    • @janzkee
      @janzkee 8 місяців тому

      who didnt set up after 2016? everybody had a dummy and sometimes azza lobbies by 2017.

    • @CJBeamedYou
      @CJBeamedYou 8 місяців тому +9

      My IRL mate faked clips for my friend for him to get into L7 years ago. When you can spend weeks playing every single day 6+ hours and shots dont hit vs people releasing episodes weeekly of 7+ insane across map shots you soon relise they were also cheating or had 1/100000000 RNG

  • @Lucid_Nate
    @Lucid_Nate 6 місяців тому

    I’m amazed by the depth this video goes into. So sick someone finally decided to break down something like this. Only topic I wish was included was 2boxing. great vid

  • @TravisBlack
    @TravisBlack 8 місяців тому +4

    oh hell yeah, my new favorite youtuber made a video. gonna be a good night. =]

  • @KwarterCraft
    @KwarterCraft 4 місяці тому

    I'll never forgot playing MW2 and having one guy trying to land trickshots for a whole match and getting flamed by the team at the end for being 0-25. Good times.

  • @CortexPlayz
    @CortexPlayz 7 місяців тому +25

    edited so hard to fake clips that its probably just easier to get lucky and hit a shot

    • @chickentenderlover2412
      @chickentenderlover2412 7 місяців тому +2

      It's... it... was easier to fake it in editing...... that's why they did it...........

    • @Custom2udo
      @Custom2udo 6 місяців тому +7

      ​@@chickentenderlover2412quit...... with the............. ellipsis................... it adds nothing........... and just makes it annoying to read...................................................................................................

    • @chickentenderlover2412
      @chickentenderlover2412 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Custom2udo Aw... Cry more.

    • @doctorpepper5088
      @doctorpepper5088 5 місяців тому

      @@chickentenderlover2412 I….. uhhh… don’t…. Careee… shut up forest gump

    • @GIJose20
      @GIJose20 5 місяців тому

      ​@@chickentenderlover2412.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. shut up

  • @RedBerylFTW
    @RedBerylFTW 7 місяців тому

    I remember some of how it was in the mid BO2 era. You'd join a S&D game, and 9/10 times it was a modded lobby where dudes would be literally falling from the sky with aimbot

  • @DryMonster100
    @DryMonster100 7 місяців тому +5

    “Thou shalt not EB” instead of “though shalt not cheat” is like an admission that they’re ALL aimbotting

    • @SaltSpirits
      @SaltSpirits 7 місяців тому

      It absolutely isn’t, because aimbot was not relevant to the conversation. But you’ll go ahead and twist peoples words to fit your narrative regardless, so what’s the point in even trying

    • @DryMonster100
      @DryMonster100 7 місяців тому +1

      You’re being obtuse - why would they talk that way internally if they didnt all know their way around cheating/hacking software?

  • @vail2367
    @vail2367 7 місяців тому

    bro spinning in circles for fun was my passion for years bro. we were all in big as teams and all with the homies. shit was mad fun

  • @butterypizza
    @butterypizza 8 місяців тому +7

    4:40 lol who fakes a hit marker

    • @rilostar
      @rilostar 8 місяців тому

      😂

    • @R.J_
      @R.J_ 8 місяців тому

      Some guy 😂

  • @slaterlugo1518
    @slaterlugo1518 4 місяці тому +1

    Bro dropped 6 banger videos then disappeared into thin air

  • @xwarxpenguin
    @xwarxpenguin 7 місяців тому +5

    When they removed the YY fluidity in MW3 trickshotting wasn’t the same

  • @Slurpified
    @Slurpified 7 місяців тому +1

    I remember that agony and wartek drama damn. Yeah the way you could tell if someone faked a collat was by watching their bullet counter. Youd be surprised how many times I saw bullets go down by 2 instead of 1 due to a simple frame cut.

  • @Vipezify
    @Vipezify 7 місяців тому +3

    real ones know about system link clips ;)

  • @koraysahin8778
    @koraysahin8778 2 місяці тому

    those montages were a key memory of my childhood..

  • @XanXsK
    @XanXsK 8 місяців тому +8

    Trickshotters ruined MW2 SnD

  • @TheGreatGingah
    @TheGreatGingah 5 місяців тому

    god seeing that tenser clip 10 years later still doesn’t get old LMFAO

  • @ButWholeMilkOG
    @ButWholeMilkOG 8 місяців тому +6

    If you got caught up in the hype of “Trick shooting” I feel like you wrecked game lobbies cause you or your party would just run out into the middle of the map doing 360s trying to catch a UA-cam clip and not playing the game

    • @regulus8319
      @regulus8319 8 місяців тому

      I did when I was younger but honestly it didn't have much of an effect on players playing the game normally. Just provided them with some easy kills if anything

    • @Unknown_Genius
      @Unknown_Genius 7 місяців тому

      @@regulus8319 Ah yes, the players on your team must have been really happy to always be one man short, potentially sealing the match loss and wasting their time.
      If you did it in FFA it's fine, but the amount of people doing it in S&D was absolutely annoying.

    • @regulus8319
      @regulus8319 7 місяців тому

      @@Unknown_Genius im talking about 6 mans and ffa. Being the only one on your team trying to trickshot is not enjoyable for anybody. But if you are in a 6 man the other team usually just ends up with some free kills if anything. After getting hit with a concussion 50 times of course lol

    • @Unknown_Genius
      @Unknown_Genius 7 місяців тому

      @@regulus8319 yeah, that's perfectly fine, loads of people just joined solo and destroyed matches back then

  • @247Matthew
    @247Matthew 7 місяців тому

    This only ignited the trickshotting nostalgia again

  • @DDxRaptor
    @DDxRaptor 4 місяці тому

    I was part of that scene, back in the day ^^ Although the team I was running with (NBK) was mainly playing on PC and focused on getting high streaks, we've still had some people who were into trickshotting at the time (including myself). I remember most people were just setting up trickshots for fun, but sometimes some guys from the scene were making them into videos later on, cutting out all the blatant stuff and calling it a day :D . I don't wanna drop names or GTs here but as our group split up after a while, some of the other guys joined SoaR Sniping as I dropped out of the group to focus on other stuff in my life.