I love that we're slowly seeing Chromie trying to prevent Moruzond by looking for alternate timelines which is exactly what the infinite dragonflight does.
I think we've all ready got a hint of where we are going for the human heritage armor. The Gnoll War, we visited it briefly in: "On Your Mark... Get Set..." while your chasing Chromie through time.
5 torches to light our path.The lord of ravens will turn the key 🔑 I think by the end of dragonflight we will see the return of the old gods. Not in just a patch but a whole expansion as it should had been with nzoth.
@@RumandCocaine the torches was always the dragons imo. Not saying the writing has been perfect I mean, from bfa through sl it was horrible but the 5 aspects getting their powers back makes more sense and khagar being present really is the smoking gun as he was absent for sl except a cameo at the end. The spirit bomb thing made me chuckle I love it 😀 😄
Would Khadgar be the "Lord of Ravens" by any chance? It's still a shame that BFA actually happened. It would be great if we had a Return to Ny'alotha expansion, but we gotta pray that they retcon BFA and Shadowlands with a Murzond/Nozdormu storyline.
One of the things I'm most excited is that when we were thrown into the past... and N'Zoth RECOGNIZED US! Old gods can see EVERY possible time line, and they plan for as many possibilities as they can. The ONLY thing that prevents them from winning de facto is they don't know which future will come to pass. Well, it turns out (thanks to us) that for tens of thousands of years N'Zoth knew EVERYTHING that has happened up until that point. He has already won.... we just haven't realized it yet...
@@SuperDuperHappyTime I don't think that, it'd completely invalidate everything we've done since then which would Just be an incredibly Shit plottwist on the level of "it was a dream all along!"
@@cthulwho9125 Youre saying this as if blizzard wouldnt retcon the shit out of their own story to fit the narrative they wanna tell at that particular point of time?
Hoping Tyr will be the one to bring this revelation, perhaps his fascination with the dragons and being on Azeroth shifted him to become aligned with us over the Titans. Although his experiments will still need to be explained, unless he was simply acting on orders.
In the post Deathwing death cinematic you can see the very moment that Nozdormu feels the sands of time slipping through his fingers as the aspectral powers fade. I believe that is the first time he ever felt the sands of time as a foreign thing rather than as a part of himself. This being visualized by the cracking of his shouldplate allowing the sands to escape his body. The loss of power, is also what he points out when viewing the destruction of the titanic gauntlet which triggered Neltharions fall to Deathwing. Parallels etc?
I got such a nostalgia wave from that snippet from once more with feeling at that start I ended up digging out my dvd set to rewatch that episode for the first time in ages. 🤣
Neptulon wasn't even in the Black Empire scene. I looked around and saw Ragnaros, Therazane, and Al Akir, but no Neptulon. Like, damn, he got yeeted so hard in Cataclysm he's not even in the past anymore
To confirm the idea of us teaming up with Djaradin. During the intro to the waking shore Majordomo says not all rivals are enemies. After he and wrathion fly away, the red drakanid we escort says the djaradin are the dragons greatest RIVALS.
Starting an alt and something that occurred to me in the opening cinematic, Nozdormu says "if Iridikron's hunger is unleashed", that sounds very similar to Galakrond. Paired with the post-raid cinematic discussion of his terrible bargain, makes me think that we're going to see Iridikron (+ Old Gods?) in this next tier. I think there's still too much left to discover with Chromie's work and piecing the bits together for Nozdormu/Murozond just yet. I also think we've known Noz for so long and dealt with the Infinities so many times that it would be rushed for him to go morphin Muro all of a sudden without more info.
Shadowlands made me not want to speculate 😂😂😂😂 Dragon flight gives me hope but I still don’t even want to speculate just yet til we get like The Light attacking hint or more Old Gods hints
There’s something else that is bugging me about the Dragon Isles… in Wrathion’s lore snippet he and Kalec mention the proverbial hole in their chest even though they’ve never seen the dragon isles or really knew much about it. Do you think we might run into Reno at some point on the isles being very confused why he was called to the isles?
I would love for them to reference or explore Reno's 'dragon, but doesn't realize it' story in WoW. Reno is actually in the dragon isles already. Its just a cameo though. He's at the Dragon's Hoard nightclub during fight night. So there is a good change he really did hear the call of the isles.
The Forsaken are the citizens of Lordareron! Stormwind can stay south of the Dun Morogh like they always do and continue to pretend they're helping their allies.
Use time travel to go to where sindragosa landed, and with a bunch of healers restore her so she can exist. Edit: this could be a proof of concept towards saving Nosdormu.
So Chromie will be the one saying "We're in the Endgame now" and finally enabling Murozond... Would be awesome to see something like this. How she does enforce the turning of Nozdormu in Order to create the very Timeline we live in.
The main thing I’m hoping for is that once Tyr 2.0 has been restored, we get a return of Odyn and the Ulduar Keepers, as they are all important in having helped uplift the Aspects to begin with (and Odyn specifically believing that they never should have in e first place). Maybe they could shed light on why the Mother Oathstone didn’t work and more of a titan perspective on recent events. I’m mainly hoping we’ll finally get a chance to give Odyn some LONG overdue comeuppance. Especially since knowing him, he’d probably gloat about how he was right to not trust the Aspects with safeguarding Azeroth and I think everyone would be pleased for an opportunity to prove him wrong.
I will be utterly disappointed if this isn't all leading to azeroth waking up and taking our side as we fight the titans. Not in dragon flight but a few expansions down the road. It's also pretty clear that a war with the light is in the cards and I'm super excited about that, which could involve the titans.
When Alexstrasza said that Iridikron made terrible bargins and he has mastery of the earth... What if He woke up the Old Gods and made Neltharion fall?
Always talking about a rematch with moruzond but chromie is the one trying to change the timeline. We may just get her as the big infinite flight boss.
Not sure if you've mentioned it or heard about it, but there are already hints for old gods in Dragonflight. Off the shore of one of the islands on the map but isn't a location there is a shipwreck with a old god eye and tentacles.
As the Incarnates hate Titan magic so much, perhaps they could start by ridding Azeroth of that huge Titan sword currently impaling the planet. Which makes me wonder if they know there is a Titan inside?
I *really* love the idea of Aman'thul lying to Nozdormu about his death - because again, and this also lends more credence to the argument of the Primalists - the Titans aren't agents of justice, or righteousness, or being fair - they're about *Order*. They don't care about what's true or what's right, they just want to have a single set of rules, a single path and, thereby, a single timeline. So them showing Nozdormu his demise was not to teach him some philosophical lesson, it was essentially just to keep him in line, no pun intended. The titans are essentially mildly gracious interplanetary colonists. They show up to a place they don't know, make a bunch of changes and impose a bunch of rules that are foreign to the native inhabitants, and then they just leave for millenia and then they wonder why things go wrong - also they specifically create problems for themselves, repeatedly (See: Creating Murozond and the Infinites indirectly, and creating a whole Old God, G'huun, because they were just messing around). Also with the example of Draenor, like one of the titans was just wandering by, noticed the planet, didn't care that much because it didn't have a World Soul, and then he just like, created some stone giants, which then ensured that the entire planet would be nothing but conflict for the rest of time.
You can check how you'll get some of the currency for the trading post in your Adventure journal. It'll have something like a "battlepass" system in which you can do many things that'll give you them.
Doubt that it would happen, but I would love someone like Xal'atath to take over the remains of Galakrond and create a Void Dragon Aspect that stood opposite, but not necessarily in opposition to the Titan Dragonflight Aspects.
I predict that Nozdormu's corruption and fall into madness will have something to do with beating Iridikron. Just like Deathwing showing the power he got from the Old Gods agaist the primalists before for the first time, maybe Nozdormu realizes that in order to beat them again he must become Murozond.
Sebellian has a cooler model, a sexier voice and is friends with Rexxar, which makes him the Horde option. Far as I am concerned he is the one that deserves the Aspect position.
to be honest, the only thing that really really bothers me with this whole thing is, that sebellian is pulled out of a hat.. did he actually exist in the outlands as a modell?
I suspect the Megadungeon will be the conclusion to the Sundered Flame storyline, which seems too big to end in a normal quest but too small for a raid. Perhaps the laboratory where Neltharion created the Dracthyr?
WIll we get a recap of what's been happening so far in the patch? I've been await from WoW for some time now, but love to follow the storyline with your videos
Hey love the channel. I really dig your focus on the lore of it all. Watching this and following you and a few other similarly focused channels, I have an idea nobody seems to bring up. Could the whispers be referring to the mysteriously disappeared brother of Alexstrasa? Could N'Zoth have captured him and turned him into Galakrond 2.0? I know anything is possible but we keep hearing the whole "You will follow him into the deep places" etc etc and almost assume they mean Iridikron. But it would be a twist and a lore bomb to Alexstrasa for her long lost brother to take the side of the primalists this go round...just a thought. 🤔 What does anyone think?
I think we can expect new zones, maybe a new raid or 2 and then some new renown levels. in all seriousness though I'm hoping for a whole content patch of just caverns of time stuff, give us just a shit ton of old historical events to dungeon/raid though.
I lowkey don't really like the new renown system. I only do raids, mythic+ and some pvp. I have like 11 renown with valdrakken or something. It's just kinda hard to get if you don't do world quests or other casual content.
So the incarnates know we can kill them so they too need to power up or will look for power and I feel the 10.1 is back to firelands baby! we left a power vacuum that hasn't been resolved fully. It was also the titans that sealed the elements away into their own prison plane right? And what have the sundered flame been doing? Stealing titan research. Well, not directly responsible for locking them away to another plane but using their "magic" or "guidance" but there is a lot of nature vs titan going on and I feel even Neptulon can be swayed. Can you imagine a 10.3, reeling after their defeat the incarnates choose "Mutual assured destruction" as they won't be locked away again and release Sargaras.
"Some elementalists don't like the dragons and are plotting against them." See, I think this is one of the major problems with Dragonflight: in any other expansion, this would be a zone story at best. It's already paper-thin, and it's been stretched so far that it's tearing in several places. It's just *dull*. Some nobody we've never heard of wants to own an island. Yay. Who cares?
What I wanna know is if the rest of the incarnates are all going to die in 1 raid or if we are gonna dispose of them 1 by 1. Although they have him poised as the next big bad I highly doubt iridikron will be the final boss of the expansion so I think the incarnates are gonna die pretty fast
I don't disagree but it would be kind of lame if they jumped right into old gods again. But I also can't think of any other possibility outside maybe him not being the end boss of the next raid but the one after, which could be the last one.
One plausible two expansions could be this: In Dragonflight, one of dragons manage do something crucial like releasing actual Old God, not void lords since they mostly have been used... And or at least almost manage to do this and are taken down by champions. This hovewer change the fact that Azeroth has been causing lots of disturbance lately and has almost caused calamities after calamities. And latest stunt with Jailer could have caused universal calamity and broke the balance between different elements. Undead has been risen over and over again, sould have been broken and reforged beyond any redemption Life energy has been burned, devoured and mangled in Azeroth, while at the same time Fel energy, that once was know as Burning Legion, has been nearly dwindled to smithereens, thus removing powerful element from outbalance. Titans are neither gone or become prison wardens for their own kin that caused large war and extinction of worlds within his madness. Now 2 prime elements are yet shown their true existence so far; Holy light and Shadow. First expansion could be as that Naaru, or rather one than crafted these entities, has come to cruel conclusion that Azeroth is far too chaotic to be controllored or quided by Naaru's light. Their holy light has been corrupted, destroyed by demon hunter or simply become consumed by darkness and then slain by mortals. Perhaps after years of chaos, change of generations and multiple threats to life or their own light has given small doubt about mortals worth. This small doubt, possible seed of shadow from Void itself, starts growing larger and larger within Holy Lights territories, until mad conclusion takes hold from gods of this region; All must be cleansed and converted into light, so they can be saved from chaos.... Or they are to be purged as threat of light. This could give interesting twist on Paladin's and Priest quest line, where they are forced to deal with Light that they have served ever since ancient times, is now their enemy or shackle that forces them to cruel acts. Name for expansion could be something like "Dawn of Ascension". Second ascension could be aftermath for dealing with Holy Light that became mad. During previous expansion we learned that something had given omen whispers to Naaru's creators, which had driven them into fury crusade against chaos that they tried to cleanse with force. Possibly, this whisper finally reveals itself and steals something powerful and important like "Naaru's seedstone" or something else that gives what true villain wanted all along. But unlike Jailer, this villain actually would be somehow familiar with people, like rebellious Naaru that first pretends to be your friend and ally against conquest, only to steal loot after crucial moment, revealing his real identity and shocking secret; Light and Shadow once were one entity. And with power with both light and void, this villain can finally put World of Warcraft back to normal, return everything back to normal ways. No war between orcs nor humans, no more undead curse that could cause souls be tainted or torn into pieces, since their souls would be fused as part of life cycle that Naaru desires. Naaru's true desire would be peace everlasting... But it would require that Azeroth would be forced to be reset. No Thrall to release orcs, countless of souls of these days cease to exist and all that hard work for peace would just erased at the whim of some wanna-be god entity. This would lead to end game situation where Naaru would dive deep into shadows and devour huge amount of energy or mass (for example, merging with void lords, building himself dungeon from their flesh). And tries every effort to convert champions to join on his journey to new world. Battle reach its climax first as raid fight against giants Naaru who tries to erase everyone that tries to thwart plan. Then, final fight would 1 vs 1 between champion and then Naaru's humanoid form that they used to trick in earlier expansion. Naaru would be made into character that can be fight against despite what job you have and end with finale (?). Naaru will lose and at first they would surprised of why they refused and had risen up every time against his power and might. He wanted to end all of this pointless war. As eternal being, witnessing total destruction and chaos over and over again would make anyone's life anxious or even bitter. But after fighting with Champion face to face, Naaru finally had some satisfaction that there would be someone that could take their burden away... And after that some aftermath etc.
but..what happened to Helya? . Are all planes like life, light, etc created by robots to be monitored by robots? are there other like nipple guy in those planes? What happened to the lava eels?, is night warrior avatar gonna choose another vessel? if we die in "dragonlands" and we were kyrian does the spirit healer recieves us with a "sup, good to see ya again" So many questions! PS: the big mountain in silithus looks burning legion connected as well.
8:58 So... considering we now know the void doesn't (kinda) really lie to you. could this have some influence on Noz and the whole infinite dragons? like he eventually realizes that he was lied to by the titans, or isn't cool with the "you only showed me this path/timeline cause it benefits you" and he end up in a "so heres my favorite finger, and im starting my own dragonflight with the sole purpose of fucking time up because fuck you" situation.
They might need to replace an air elemental leader. I have two guesses. 2) They will try to subjugate Thorim. He's both the Stormlord AND one of the Keepers to defeat Al'akir & his air elemental army. 2) Aetherion from Darkshore has a new unused datamined model in the Dragonflight files. It is worth noting that their formula has nearly always been taking their villains to the 11th hour of their plan. What is their endgame? Would they try to take the fight TO the Titans?
You know I am still waiting on the return of the true fire lords, ragnaros, after all his essence has been stolen and his cultist say he will return one day, for a third time , I wonder if the elders got there powers from the birth place of ragnaros, a cradle of fire and stone.
If the primalists are weak enough to let themselves get ramrodded by the old gods. Leaving the Titans to take care of them. Then they don't really have much of a say In anything except for how weak they are.
I would like to know how did Neltharion justified the disappearance of Raszageth and how did she end from taken by the void to an actual prison. Then I really would like to find a way not to make Nozdormu fall, but this would diminish the tragedy of that story and would look too easy of an escape.
I mean we all like nozdormu. But we love chromie. It could very well end with chromie taking his place. Also the titans specifically told him he is not allowed to fight it because it HAS to happen. This makes me think of when Harry Potter thought he had to die to kill voldermort. In accepting it he actually does something needed for our survival as a whole.
@@TheMikeMassengale one thing I’m sure of is that Chromie is going to live. She is the only Bronze Dragon they cared to give any characterization and now she also is a trans representative so her going away/die it’s a no no. I do think that Eternus actually is Infinite Chromie but I think that it’s not going to be the end of her.
My "predictions": 10.1 underground zone, where we meet new Drogbar friends (new Reknown faction) and party mostly with them and the Black Dragonflight. The story will tell why Wrathion is good and Sabellian is bad. Wrathion becomes the Black Dragon Aspect. Enemies are the Primalists and Djardin who we learn more about. Final boss is Fyrakk, goes well with the whole theme. 10.1.5 questline where we help Chromie find another way, leading us to unlocking world events and a Megadungeon where Chromie with our help stops Nozdormu from becoming Muruzond, and recovers the memories of Tyr from the Infinite Dragonflight. Tyr is rebuilt. 10.2 Emerald Dream zone, we finally get one and get to see the Eye of Ysera. We party with Cenarion Circle Druid like faction (new Reknown) and the Green Dragonflight. Emerald Nightmare is back. Ysera dies again, and Merithra fully takes over. Vyranoth is the final boss of the raid. 10.3 a titanforged based zone, we party with the Titanforged (new Reknown faction), keeper Tyr and the Red Dragonflight where we learn all the secrets of the flights and titanforged. Aspect powers are restored. Iridikron is the final boss of the raid and the expansion.
The new farming zone is good to have, but the item level is way too low. 385 you get faster from m+ in easy dungeons. Yes, you won't get the specific item, but still, as we progress further, these items are irellevant. I would suggest to Blizzard to increase the item levels every 2 weeks by 5. so 390, 395, etc, to keep up with the game and how fast people geared. The catchup mechanics are again too late. World quest as well, are useless as item levels are way too low.
@@beecees410 No, I enjoy doing some world quests, but I would also like to feel that they are worth doing and not become obsolete after 1 week of gearing from other sources such as M+ and other.
@@vladn4321 so you want the best gear handed to you with minimal effort? Ofcourse they become obsolete after 1 week of gearing in M+ because M+ is and should be the harder content, rewarding better gear
@@beecees410 Indeed the harder content should reward higher gear, but speaking about world quests, if you remember, they raised the item level mid patch or closer to the end of the first patch in Shadowlands. In my opinion, they should increase the item rewards from world quests by 5 ilvl per month so that it would be easier for alts to catch up and also as the patch progresses and new content is going to be released sooner than later.
@@vladn4321 i dont because i dont support sexual harassment so i quit. But they always have been increasing the ilvl of world quest gear, its just never stronger than M+, which is how its supposed to be
What if they make it so Cataclysm doesn't happen because time travel or something, that way I don't have to feel like I'm wasting my time in classic wotlk because an actual good expansion could happen next instead of cata
Regarding the N'Zoth whisper: It purposefully switches from "you will follow HIM" to "THEY will see again" which makes me think that either all of the primalists get taken over by old god stuff or even all of dragonkind. Maybe it says "they will see AGAIN" cause the old gods see dragons as their pets just like the titans did.
Its not that simple to just yolo and renew there oath to the titans and renuew there ouath stone, specially not for Alextrazha. She needs more time to work out what she's going threw. Or pas it on to somebody else who IS ready for it. But we will have to wate and see. There's also Queen Azshara and the naga now that they dont have a patron old god anymore and are now vonerible and alone against everyone. There only real choice is the horde sins the aliance will never accept them reguardles. And in the Azshara zone behind the horde capitol there's a lot of naga learning from peopel from azeroth. And i belive one of them uses priest magic. So over time the naga and Queen Azshara can learn to work WITH the elements and WITH the peopel of Azeroth just like the orcs did so long ago. Queen Azshara and the naga are now where the vanilla orcs where so long ago.
Man Alex is so Hot - random comment :D . Tbh I hope for some old gods action in this expac, And some humbling of Wrathion from them with medling with their power...
Nobbel pls hire a thumbnail editor to make your videos more enticing to click on, I know it might feel clickbaity but your content is so good and I feel like it might be getting left behind a little on UA-cam
@@Nick-ih3xg it's painful isn't it? same with khadgar and about half the rest of the cast of characters - they just speak like silly children having fun rather than adults facing horrific death and destruction
DF lorewise is worst warcraft ever if yoy think from everything from our most belobed game orcs and humans DF has lost all of it from the first in warcraft series.
lets hope they dont milk the incarnations till the end. i want 3 raids in the same tier at ones. Each incarnation as endboss. Fyrakk crashes down in Neltharus, Vyranoth tries to siege the azurespan and Iridicon can have this big mountain
There's a quest line called 'The Silver' it reveals bits and pieces of information about what happened before the birth if the aspects. Maybe you can do a video with your own thoughts about it.
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I love that we're slowly seeing Chromie trying to prevent Moruzond by looking for alternate timelines which is exactly what the infinite dragonflight does.
I feel like chromie will be the reason he turns into murozond
Yup!
Fate is unescapable Chromie is only fulfilling such a destiny.
@@FallenCorpwe often meet our destiny on the road we take to avoid it
I think we've all ready got a hint of where we are going for the human heritage armor. The Gnoll War, we visited it briefly in: "On Your Mark... Get Set..." while your chasing Chromie through time.
5 torches to light our path.The lord of ravens will turn the key 🔑
I think by the end of dragonflight we will see the return of the old gods. Not in just a patch but a whole expansion as it should had been with nzoth.
This is great i love it
Thought it happened when n'zoth was freed but then...bad writing and spirit bomb ending.
@@RumandCocaine the torches was always the dragons imo. Not saying the writing has been perfect I mean, from bfa through sl it was horrible but the 5 aspects getting their powers back makes more sense and khagar being present really is the smoking gun as he was absent for sl except a cameo at the end. The spirit bomb thing made me chuckle I love it 😀 😄
@@OTF_Des 5 torches could also be the Oathstones, they do kinda look like giant torches.
Would Khadgar be the "Lord of Ravens" by any chance? It's still a shame that BFA actually happened. It would be great if we had a Return to Ny'alotha expansion, but we gotta pray that they retcon BFA and Shadowlands with a Murzond/Nozdormu storyline.
One of the things I'm most excited is that when we were thrown into the past... and N'Zoth RECOGNIZED US! Old gods can see EVERY possible time line, and they plan for as many possibilities as they can. The ONLY thing that prevents them from winning de facto is they don't know which future will come to pass. Well, it turns out (thanks to us) that for tens of thousands of years N'Zoth knew EVERYTHING that has happened up until that point. He has already won.... we just haven't realized it yet...
That’s because we’ve been living in N’Zoth’s Illusion since he came back.
Just spirit bomb it down like last time
@@SuperDuperHappyTime I don't think that, it'd completely invalidate everything we've done since then which would Just be an incredibly Shit plottwist on the level of "it was a dream all along!"
@@cthulwho9125 Youre saying this as if blizzard wouldnt retcon the shit out of their own story to fit the narrative they wanna tell at that particular point of time?
@@beecees410 that definitly hasnt happened before *cough*
I am expecting an "I AM MY SCARS!!!" moment when it comes to the Titans and the Aspects... but this may be a bit down the road here.
Man, that just makes me miss Illidan. Right up there with Arthas as the best character in WoW.
Hoping Tyr will be the one to bring this revelation, perhaps his fascination with the dragons and being on Azeroth shifted him to become aligned with us over the Titans. Although his experiments will still need to be explained, unless he was simply acting on orders.
In the post Deathwing death cinematic you can see the very moment that Nozdormu feels the sands of time slipping through his fingers as the aspectral powers fade. I believe that is the first time he ever felt the sands of time as a foreign thing rather than as a part of himself. This being visualized by the cracking of his shouldplate allowing the sands to escape his body. The loss of power, is also what he points out when viewing the destruction of the titanic gauntlet which triggered Neltharions fall to Deathwing. Parallels etc?
I got such a nostalgia wave from that snippet from once more with feeling at that start I ended up digging out my dvd set to rewatch that episode for the first time in ages. 🤣
"Where do we go from here"
Damn, the buffy musical episode. That's a blast from the past.
Neptulon wasn't even in the Black Empire scene. I looked around and saw Ragnaros, Therazane, and Al Akir, but no Neptulon. Like, damn, he got yeeted so hard in Cataclysm he's not even in the past anymore
To confirm the idea of us teaming up with Djaradin. During the intro to the waking shore Majordomo says not all rivals are enemies. After he and wrathion fly away, the red drakanid we escort says the djaradin are the dragons greatest RIVALS.
Starting an alt and something that occurred to me in the opening cinematic, Nozdormu says "if Iridikron's hunger is unleashed", that sounds very similar to Galakrond. Paired with the post-raid cinematic discussion of his terrible bargain, makes me think that we're going to see Iridikron (+ Old Gods?) in this next tier. I think there's still too much left to discover with Chromie's work and piecing the bits together for Nozdormu/Murozond just yet. I also think we've known Noz for so long and dealt with the Infinities so many times that it would be rushed for him to go morphin Muro all of a sudden without more info.
Even though BFA ruined my ability to speculate, i'll gladly listen to your speculations Nobbel.
Shadowlands made me not want to speculate 😂😂😂😂
Dragon flight gives me hope but I still don’t even want to speculate just yet til we get like The Light attacking hint or more Old Gods hints
Dragonflight is basicly undoing the past 4 years of bullshit lore I like it Ngl
I think we are going to see Neltharion again judging by the Cultists saying he is coming back and they hear his voice.
There’s something else that is bugging me about the Dragon Isles… in Wrathion’s lore snippet he and Kalec mention the proverbial hole in their chest even though they’ve never seen the dragon isles or really knew much about it. Do you think we might run into Reno at some point on the isles being very confused why he was called to the isles?
I would love for them to reference or explore Reno's 'dragon, but doesn't realize it' story in WoW. Reno is actually in the dragon isles already. Its just a cameo though. He's at the Dragon's Hoard nightclub during fight night. So there is a good change he really did hear the call of the isles.
With the human heritage armor the alliance could begin rebuilding Lordaeron and Gilneas by extension
I’m expecting a cataclysm style expansion next expansion centered around the old gods
??? The Forsaken still have Lordaeron lol
The Forsaken are the citizens of Lordareron! Stormwind can stay south of the Dun Morogh like they always do and continue to pretend they're helping their allies.
Use time travel to go to where sindragosa landed, and with a bunch of healers restore her so she can exist.
Edit: this could be a proof of concept towards saving Nosdormu.
So Chromie will be the one saying "We're in the Endgame now" and finally enabling Murozond...
Would be awesome to see something like this. How she does enforce the turning of Nozdormu in Order to create the very Timeline we live in.
The main thing I’m hoping for is that once Tyr 2.0 has been restored, we get a return of Odyn and the Ulduar Keepers, as they are all important in having helped uplift the Aspects to begin with (and Odyn specifically believing that they never should have in e first place). Maybe they could shed light on why the Mother Oathstone didn’t work and more of a titan perspective on recent events.
I’m mainly hoping we’ll finally get a chance to give Odyn some LONG overdue comeuppance. Especially since knowing him, he’d probably gloat about how he was right to not trust the Aspects with safeguarding Azeroth and I think everyone would be pleased for an opportunity to prove him wrong.
I will be utterly disappointed if this isn't all leading to azeroth waking up and taking our side as we fight the titans.
Not in dragon flight but a few expansions down the road. It's also pretty clear that a war with the light is in the cards and I'm super excited about that, which could involve the titans.
@@TheMikeMassengale illidan gon be busy 🤭 hope we get to see The Jail- i mean illidan again if that happens 😁
1:22 the modern texture next to 2004 Stormwind Mage Quarter is so jarring - When will Stormwind get the love Orgrimmar does :(
When Alexstrasza said that Iridikron made terrible bargins and he has mastery of the earth... What if He woke up the Old Gods and made Neltharion fall?
Always talking about a rematch with moruzond but chromie is the one trying to change the timeline. We may just get her as the big infinite flight boss.
Not sure if you've mentioned it or heard about it, but there are already hints for old gods in Dragonflight. Off the shore of one of the islands on the map but isn't a location there is a shipwreck with a old god eye and tentacles.
Do you know which one? I'm interested in exploring that for myself.
Ye tell us which one I wanna go see it in game
Nobbel! You rock
As the Incarnates hate Titan magic so much, perhaps they could start by ridding Azeroth of that huge Titan sword currently impaling the planet. Which makes me wonder if they know there is a Titan inside?
Road map looks great, stoked!
Nobbel goes to a Star Wars convention.
“Hello, Obi Wan!”
I *really* love the idea of Aman'thul lying to Nozdormu about his death - because again, and this also lends more credence to the argument of the Primalists - the Titans aren't agents of justice, or righteousness, or being fair - they're about *Order*. They don't care about what's true or what's right, they just want to have a single set of rules, a single path and, thereby, a single timeline. So them showing Nozdormu his demise was not to teach him some philosophical lesson, it was essentially just to keep him in line, no pun intended.
The titans are essentially mildly gracious interplanetary colonists. They show up to a place they don't know, make a bunch of changes and impose a bunch of rules that are foreign to the native inhabitants, and then they just leave for millenia and then they wonder why things go wrong - also they specifically create problems for themselves, repeatedly (See: Creating Murozond and the Infinites indirectly, and creating a whole Old God, G'huun, because they were just messing around).
Also with the example of Draenor, like one of the titans was just wandering by, noticed the planet, didn't care that much because it didn't have a World Soul, and then he just like, created some stone giants, which then ensured that the entire planet would be nothing but conflict for the rest of time.
You can check how you'll get some of the currency for the trading post in your Adventure journal. It'll have something like a "battlepass" system in which you can do many things that'll give you them.
Not like a battle pass bro. You just do things to earn currency and spend it in the shop
Doubt that it would happen, but I would love someone like Xal'atath to take over the remains of Galakrond and create a Void Dragon Aspect that stood opposite, but not necessarily in opposition to the Titan Dragonflight Aspects.
I predict that Nozdormu's corruption and fall into madness will have something to do with beating Iridikron. Just like Deathwing showing the power he got from the Old Gods agaist the primalists before for the first time, maybe Nozdormu realizes that in order to beat them again he must become Murozond.
I find it interesting nobody acknowledges the multiple cults in game who claim Neltharion is going to return or that they hear his voice.
WHere/When/WHo?
@@sirnicholibraden86I know of at least one-the Worldbreakers, however I think factcheck needed for the “hearing his voice” part
From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth, our strength.
Sebellian has a cooler model, a sexier voice and is friends with Rexxar, which makes him the Horde option. Far as I am concerned he is the one that deserves the Aspect position.
to be honest, the only thing that really really bothers me with this whole thing is, that sebellian is pulled out of a hat.. did he actually exist in the outlands as a modell?
I suspect the Megadungeon will be the conclusion to the Sundered Flame storyline, which seems too big to end in a normal quest but too small for a raid. Perhaps the laboratory where Neltharion created the Dracthyr?
I'm holding my breath for a mini tier this expansion. They are usually really fun raids although the loot usually sucked.
Could you imagine if we started seeing Mage Tower skins on the Trade Post. It'd be nice but equally maldworthy!
maybe...going underground eventually leads us to dealing with *that* sword in Silithus? lol
WIll we get a recap of what's been happening so far in the patch? I've been await from WoW for some time now, but love to follow the storyline with your videos
"The blind queen wields a scepter of bone. From the deep she calls forth doom."
The Buffy fan in me just geeked out.
Hey love the channel. I really dig your focus on the lore of it all. Watching this and following you and a few other similarly focused channels, I have an idea nobody seems to bring up.
Could the whispers be referring to the mysteriously disappeared brother of Alexstrasa? Could N'Zoth have captured him and turned him into Galakrond 2.0?
I know anything is possible but we keep hearing the whole "You will follow him into the deep places" etc etc and almost assume they mean Iridikron. But it would be a twist and a lore bomb to Alexstrasa for her long lost brother to take the side of the primalists this go round...just a thought. 🤔
What does anyone think?
I think we can expect new zones, maybe a new raid or 2 and then some new renown levels. in all seriousness though I'm hoping for a whole content patch of just caverns of time stuff, give us just a shit ton of old historical events to dungeon/raid though.
I lowkey don't really like the new renown system. I only do raids, mythic+ and some pvp. I have like 11 renown with valdrakken or something. It's just kinda hard to get if you don't do world quests or other casual content.
I think we are going underground to deal with the 4 elders of the djaradin to squash the primalist's biggest allies.
Such a good episode of Buffy
So the incarnates know we can kill them so they too need to power up or will look for power and I feel the 10.1 is back to firelands baby! we left a power vacuum that hasn't been resolved fully. It was also the titans that sealed the elements away into their own prison plane right? And what have the sundered flame been doing? Stealing titan research. Well, not directly responsible for locking them away to another plane but using their "magic" or "guidance" but there is a lot of nature vs titan going on and I feel even Neptulon can be swayed. Can you imagine a 10.3, reeling after their defeat the incarnates choose "Mutual assured destruction" as they won't be locked away again and release Sargaras.
"Some elementalists don't like the dragons and are plotting against them."
See, I think this is one of the major problems with Dragonflight: in any other expansion, this would be a zone story at best. It's already paper-thin, and it's been stretched so far that it's tearing in several places. It's just *dull*. Some nobody we've never heard of wants to own an island. Yay. Who cares?
The real gut punch of a boss would be killing a newly corrupted infinite chromie.
It was TYR's hand that Neltharion was using to control the dracthyr
I'm betting my money on an Infinite version of Galakrond showing up.... Nordaglak? Dronkalag? :D
What I wanna know is if the rest of the incarnates are all going to die in 1 raid or if we are gonna dispose of them 1 by 1. Although they have him poised as the next big bad I highly doubt iridikron will be the final boss of the expansion so I think the incarnates are gonna die pretty fast
I don't disagree but it would be kind of lame if they jumped right into old gods again. But I also can't think of any other possibility outside maybe him not being the end boss of the next raid but the one after, which could be the last one.
Iridikron dark bargain thing and going deep into the earth. End boss is Therazane
I'm really excited for the trading post, but the FOMO is going to kill it for me I think lol... Goddamn anxiety.
One plausible two expansions could be this:
In Dragonflight, one of dragons manage do something crucial like releasing actual Old God, not void lords since they mostly have been used... And or at least almost manage to do this and are taken down by champions.
This hovewer change the fact that Azeroth has been causing lots of disturbance lately and has almost caused calamities after calamities. And latest stunt with Jailer could have caused universal calamity and broke the balance between different elements.
Undead has been risen over and over again, sould have been broken and reforged beyond any redemption
Life energy has been burned, devoured and mangled in Azeroth, while at the same time Fel energy, that once was know as Burning Legion, has been nearly dwindled to smithereens, thus removing powerful element from outbalance.
Titans are neither gone or become prison wardens for their own kin that caused large war and extinction of worlds within his madness.
Now 2 prime elements are yet shown their true existence so far; Holy light and Shadow.
First expansion could be as that Naaru, or rather one than crafted these entities, has come to cruel conclusion that Azeroth is far too chaotic to be controllored or quided by Naaru's light.
Their holy light has been corrupted, destroyed by demon hunter or simply become consumed by darkness and then slain by mortals.
Perhaps after years of chaos, change of generations and multiple threats to life or their own light has given small doubt about mortals worth.
This small doubt, possible seed of shadow from Void itself, starts growing larger and larger within Holy Lights territories, until mad conclusion takes hold from gods of this region; All must be cleansed and converted into light, so they can be saved from chaos.... Or they are to be purged as threat of light.
This could give interesting twist on Paladin's and Priest quest line, where they are forced to deal with Light that they have served ever since ancient times, is now their enemy or shackle that forces them to cruel acts.
Name for expansion could be something like "Dawn of Ascension".
Second ascension could be aftermath for dealing with Holy Light that became mad.
During previous expansion we learned that something had given omen whispers to Naaru's creators, which had driven them into fury crusade against chaos that they tried to cleanse with force.
Possibly, this whisper finally reveals itself and steals something powerful and important like "Naaru's seedstone" or something else that gives what true villain wanted all along.
But unlike Jailer, this villain actually would be somehow familiar with people, like rebellious Naaru that first pretends to be your friend and ally against conquest, only to steal loot after crucial moment, revealing his real identity and shocking secret; Light and Shadow once were one entity.
And with power with both light and void, this villain can finally put World of Warcraft back to normal, return everything back to normal ways.
No war between orcs nor humans, no more undead curse that could cause souls be tainted or torn into pieces, since their souls would be fused as part of life cycle that Naaru desires.
Naaru's true desire would be peace everlasting... But it would require that Azeroth would be forced to be reset. No Thrall to release orcs, countless of souls of these days cease to exist and all that hard work for peace would just erased at the whim of some wanna-be god entity.
This would lead to end game situation where Naaru would dive deep into shadows and devour huge amount of energy or mass (for example, merging with void lords, building himself dungeon from their flesh). And tries every effort to convert champions to join on his journey to new world.
Battle reach its climax first as raid fight against giants Naaru who tries to erase everyone that tries to thwart plan.
Then, final fight would 1 vs 1 between champion and then Naaru's humanoid form that they used to trick in earlier expansion.
Naaru would be made into character that can be fight against despite what job you have and end with finale (?).
Naaru will lose and at first they would surprised of why they refused and had risen up every time against his power and might.
He wanted to end all of this pointless war. As eternal being, witnessing total destruction and chaos over and over again would make anyone's life anxious or even bitter.
But after fighting with Champion face to face, Naaru finally had some satisfaction that there would be someone that could take their burden away...
And after that some aftermath etc.
They could bring galkron back since they haven’t done any caverns of time dungeon or raids since cataclysm I think was the last time they added to it
i hope light is good not evil.
but..what happened to Helya? . Are all planes like life, light, etc created by robots to be monitored by robots? are there other like nipple guy in those planes? What happened to the lava eels?, is night warrior avatar gonna choose another vessel? if we die in "dragonlands" and we were kyrian does the spirit healer recieves us with a "sup, good to see ya again" So many questions!
PS: the big mountain in silithus looks burning legion connected as well.
chromie > alex. fight me.
Wait…
Is Razageth in Ardenweild now?
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So... considering we now know the void doesn't (kinda) really lie to you. could this have some influence on Noz and the whole infinite dragons? like he eventually realizes that he was lied to by the titans, or isn't cool with the "you only showed me this path/timeline cause it benefits you" and he end up in a "so heres my favorite finger, and im starting my own dragonflight with the sole purpose of fucking time up because fuck you" situation.
I don't think he would turn against the world. But I am 100% expecting an eventual conflict against the titans.
tbf would be cool with "go to the ~chasm~ undergound -" xd
what's next? play every race you haven't from zero to current expac because it's worth it.
They might need to replace an air elemental leader. I have two guesses. 2) They will try to subjugate Thorim. He's both the Stormlord AND one of the Keepers to defeat Al'akir & his air elemental army. 2) Aetherion from Darkshore has a new unused datamined model in the Dragonflight files.
It is worth noting that their formula has nearly always been taking their villains to the 11th hour of their plan. What is their endgame? Would they try to take the fight TO the Titans?
You know I am still waiting on the return of the true fire lords, ragnaros, after all his essence has been stolen and his cultist say he will return one day, for a third time , I wonder if the elders got there powers from the birth place of ragnaros, a cradle of fire and stone.
chromie is straight up adorable
nice vid
i hope titans aren't evil.
Adding white and gray transmogs is going to make my all the things % go negative
If the primalists are weak enough to let themselves get ramrodded by the old gods. Leaving the Titans to take care of them. Then they don't really have much of a say In anything except for how weak they are.
I would like to know how did Neltharion justified the disappearance of Raszageth and how did she end from taken by the void to an actual prison. Then I really would like to find a way not to make Nozdormu fall, but this would diminish the tragedy of that story and would look too easy of an escape.
I mean we all like nozdormu. But we love chromie. It could very well end with chromie taking his place.
Also the titans specifically told him he is not allowed to fight it because it HAS to happen. This makes me think of when Harry Potter thought he had to die to kill voldermort. In accepting it he actually does something needed for our survival as a whole.
@@TheMikeMassengale one thing I’m sure of is that Chromie is going to live. She is the only Bronze Dragon they cared to give any characterization and now she also is a trans representative so her going away/die it’s a no no.
I do think that Eternus actually is Infinite Chromie but I think that it’s not going to be the end of her.
Something something infinite fight something thrall saves us from the elements
I would love to see the Gnolls in Brackenhide Hollow be connected to the Blighted Lands, and the Drust.
Nice buffy song steal
My "predictions":
10.1 underground zone, where we meet new Drogbar friends (new Reknown faction) and party mostly with them and the Black Dragonflight. The story will tell why Wrathion is good and Sabellian is bad. Wrathion becomes the Black Dragon Aspect. Enemies are the Primalists and Djardin who we learn more about. Final boss is Fyrakk, goes well with the whole theme.
10.1.5 questline where we help Chromie find another way, leading us to unlocking world events and a Megadungeon where Chromie with our help stops Nozdormu from becoming Muruzond, and recovers the memories of Tyr from the Infinite Dragonflight. Tyr is rebuilt.
10.2 Emerald Dream zone, we finally get one and get to see the Eye of Ysera. We party with Cenarion Circle Druid like faction (new Reknown) and the Green Dragonflight. Emerald Nightmare is back. Ysera dies again, and Merithra fully takes over. Vyranoth is the final boss of the raid.
10.3 a titanforged based zone, we party with the Titanforged (new Reknown faction), keeper Tyr and the Red Dragonflight where we learn all the secrets of the flights and titanforged. Aspect powers are restored. Iridikron is the final boss of the raid and the expansion.
The new farming zone is good to have, but the item level is way too low. 385 you get faster from m+ in easy dungeons. Yes, you won't get the specific item, but still, as we progress further, these items are irellevant. I would suggest to Blizzard to increase the item levels every 2 weeks by 5. so 390, 395, etc, to keep up with the game and how fast people geared. The catchup mechanics are again too late. World quest as well, are useless as item levels are way too low.
Didnt we wanna get rid of world quest? So isnt them being useless a good thing?
@@beecees410 No, I enjoy doing some world quests, but I would also like to feel that they are worth doing and not become obsolete after 1 week of gearing from other sources such as M+ and other.
@@vladn4321 so you want the best gear handed to you with minimal effort? Ofcourse they become obsolete after 1 week of gearing in M+ because M+ is and should be the harder content, rewarding better gear
@@beecees410 Indeed the harder content should reward higher gear, but speaking about world quests, if you remember, they raised the item level mid patch or closer to the end of the first patch in Shadowlands. In my opinion, they should increase the item rewards from world quests by 5 ilvl per month so that it would be easier for alts to catch up and also as the patch progresses and new content is going to be released sooner than later.
@@vladn4321 i dont because i dont support sexual harassment so i quit. But they always have been increasing the ilvl of world quest gear, its just never stronger than M+, which is how its supposed to be
What if they make it so Cataclysm doesn't happen because time travel or something, that way I don't have to feel like I'm wasting my time in classic wotlk because an actual good expansion could happen next instead of cata
Lol that's brilliant, then the game can begin again nixing almost all of the expansions
Regarding the N'Zoth whisper: It purposefully switches from "you will follow HIM" to "THEY will see again" which makes me think that either all of the primalists get taken over by old god stuff or even all of dragonkind. Maybe it says "they will see AGAIN" cause the old gods see dragons as their pets just like the titans did.
Its not that simple to just yolo and renew there oath to the titans and renuew there ouath stone, specially not for Alextrazha. She needs more time to work out what she's going threw. Or pas it on to somebody else who IS ready for it. But we will have to wate and see. There's also Queen Azshara and the naga now that they dont have a patron old god anymore and are now vonerible and alone against everyone. There only real choice is the horde sins the aliance will never accept them reguardles. And in the Azshara zone behind the horde capitol there's a lot of naga learning from peopel from azeroth. And i belive one of them uses priest magic. So over time the naga and Queen Azshara can learn to work WITH the elements and WITH the peopel of Azeroth just like the orcs did so long ago. Queen Azshara and the naga are now where the vanilla orcs where so long ago.
That's next? Another pandas.
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Iridrikon is Wrathion. Dragons are replicas of primals. Like Ghola of Dune universe.
Man Alex is so Hot - random comment :D . Tbh I hope for some old gods action in this expac, And some humbling of Wrathion from them with medling with their power...
If the Titans intervened and left Azeroth as it was what are the consequences? The Old gods return again but this time we have no defense.
Damn i really love how you tell these things in your videos GRANNE Finalnd ;)
Sylvanas returns
Oh God no
The Waffle house has found its new Host.
Nobbel pls hire a thumbnail editor to make your videos more enticing to click on, I know it might feel clickbaity but your content is so good and I feel like it might be getting left behind a little on UA-cam
Jesus christ Chromie please be quiet.
Cromie is corny as hell🌽
@@Nick-ih3xg it's painful isn't it? same with khadgar and about half the rest of the cast of characters - they just speak like silly children having fun rather than adults facing horrific death and destruction
Whats next is that we are gonna go back in time and do a massive retcon where its going to be revealed that us the players were trans all along.
Stop doing speculation
DF lorewise is worst warcraft ever if yoy think from everything from our most belobed game orcs and humans DF has lost all of it from the first in warcraft series.
lets hope they dont milk the incarnations till the end. i want 3 raids in the same tier at ones. Each incarnation as endboss. Fyrakk crashes down in Neltharus, Vyranoth tries to siege the azurespan and Iridicon can have this big mountain
There's a quest line called 'The Silver' it reveals bits and pieces of information about what happened before the birth if the aspects. Maybe you can do a video with your own thoughts about it.