Even MORE Ways Classic Players Broke The Game For More DPS
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In Classic WoW, the content might have been easy, but that sure didn't stop playing from going to any lengths possible to minmax the content.
Whether it was theorycrafting new builds or doing the math on how the game is supposed to work - these are a few more ways players minmaxed classic wow for a few more dps.
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Mostly immune fire monsters in Molten Core is not true, most of them are like 85% + fire resist, Fire Elementals are immune of course
How do I know? I rolled fire mage in classic
Im happy for you sponsor but goood looks this game bad and screams PTW...
I stoped playing WoW a long time ago but I still watch this kind of videos from time to time
Same lol
Cmon wille the games dead stop coping
@@charlesdobronxcharlesdobro4660 It's not about coping! We all have a reason to stop the game. It's about having once a loved game and hearing about it. We acknowledge the current state of the game, we still grew up with WoW; thus this kind of content have our interests and brings us the spark of joy that a community can make : appreciating what someone has to say into a very convenient format, a well-made video.
yeah ditto. lvl 70 ud rogue on Oceanic Jubei Thos. CBF'd now...got shit on lol. Nostalgic though.
Come back to classic on vanilla and wotlk great communities
Vanilla is a masterpiece made by young fearless geniuses.
One of the smartest decisions Blizzard *_EVER_* made was hiring several of the top EverQuest raiders (including Jeff Kaplan himself!) as game designers for WOW. EverQuest was an absolutely amazing game for its time and Classic WOW fixed probably 70% of that game's major problems.
That's how all of the old greats used to be made, Halo-Halo 3ish were the same. Made by young highly invested people wanting to make a great game, not a great money maker as they are now.
Everyone milks the same IP 5+ times now and rarely try and make new greats.
@@Tooamazinprobably because its insanely hard and expensive to make a new IP today
@@Tagonschezar Indie dev's do it every other week, it's only insanely hard and expensive if you are trying to re-create fully fleshed out insanely graphical MMO's. Every company milks their one IP with minimal to almost no changes (hello CoD hello FIFA) and just add more and more monetization and "micro transactions". Game companies are controlled too much by shareholders, any company that gets too big and deals with shareholders and sells portions of their company will just produce shit or rehashed mediocre shit.
Heroic strike was super interesting min max in classic. If you were hit cap and had heroic strike qued your offhand swing could not miss.
Still works the same in WotLK =)
@@BuklanVuklan still 0 dps.
@@dobiusla8281 k
good god that ad read was a painfully embarrassing game... I hope they pay you well Will E!
The lengths that players take to “enjoy the game”. In their own manner is quite interesting. It’s interesting to see how far classic has come, and the niche ways to “enjoy the game”. honestly the direction that this game is heading reminds me of a quote. “ A tree falls the way it leans be careful which way you lean.”
"Enjoy the game how you want! Oh, but if you're not parsing orange on most fights, you're a scrub who clearly isn't smart enough to do the bare minimum in this solved game. Now get out of my guild."
@@General12th What's wrong with people wanting to play with other like minded people?
@@General12th And here's me not giving a fuck about parses.
@@DaLiJeIOvoImeZauzeto same! Parsing is so cringe.. just enjoy the game
@@evasion.6096 lmfao yeah wanting to be the best and improve over yourself week after week is so cRiNgE 🤡
11:44 I had the poor man’s edgies: the Expert Goldminer’s Helmet (+7 axe skill).
Also something to mention.. Weapon skill is based on the amount of intellect, so by a mage buffing a warrior for example, it will speed up the weapon skill.. Tool tips information.
Sorry maybe I'm missing something.. 14:00 you show Edgemaster's on a human warrior with swords, why?
Do Edgemaster's on human (312) mean you can drop another hit% down to 7%? Thinkge
Big reason why classic was so fun was the insane amount of abilities and unique items
Don’t forget about priests using black jujus on warriors for the extra AP
Paul Scholes scored goals
I hope someday they make a classic + where they fix al lof this like it ws cool back in the day but this is the reseions i did not like og classic when playing a feral druid the other classes just had a better time with world buffs and gearing up but knowing the players and blizzard that won't happpen (if it does though then i'll be happy)
I pushed off my main tanks zg buff with my imps fire shield because he told me to summon it for blood pact . I should’ve turned off that spell before entering raid group
Players ruined WoW more than the devs ever could. Change my mind.
Which sword is that at 6:38?
The mechanics for Uncrushability for tanking raid bosses was just as complicated as getting weapon skill and hit rate for DPS.
And heroic strike weaving with a fast off-hand to use yellow hit chance was just as complicated as melee weaving was for hunters.
@@moostomp no it was not lol
@@drafman1 walking back and forth with the quartz addon was easier than queueing a heroic strike and watching your offhand swing timer to get two hits off per heroic strike. Getting 5 weapon skill was easier than getting passive uncrushable.
Obsidian edged blade
if you were maximising dps you weren't arms. also weapon skill mattered far less for arms (it only affected white damage, and arms did most of it with skills)
And all of this just to defeat the boss 3 seconds faster. No seriously, quit speed running people. You aren’t playing Mythic Retail. You’re not even close to their level. Quit pretending like Classic is hard or even needs this level of sweaty tryhard.
''mages where even playing frost''
hey! dont make me leet my old undead come over there and spank your feral frost novad in place posterior with some well placed chilled and arcane spells! ;) fire was so cliche!
also umm at 8:30 ish ....dident mages just move away from the group and cast iceblock to 'absorbed' the bomb as it triggered ?
hmm , that weapon skill thing made me curious , i cant recall if there was ways to make it do funky things with the way 'skill in spell schools' could be fiddled with a bit in some small funky way..
Even though it wasn't classic, it was wrath pre-patch, it would be interesting if you covered the short-lived clam weaving by unholy dks
I think he already talked about it in a other Video
whats that?
KEKW
Nice bait
@@shirahoney9190 oh ok thanks, didn't realize
Bring back vanilla!
Funny, but broken game is broken.
Blizzard didn't ruin wow... The players did...
Dragonbreath Chili was bis for elehance tank too lmao
classic clowns unite
Praise the algorithm for always putting these uploads on the top of my list
Druids were forced to think light years outside the box due to the fact weapons were nothing more than stat sticks,. I really believe Blizzard missed a huge opportunity to allow Druids to equip Fist weapons, a weapon type that exists in the game but is basically useless to most classes, you occasionally saw a hunter wielding them,, but that was about it. Even in Legion when Feral Druids got their spec specific artifact weapon, they still missed out by choosing the Dagger weapon type.
Playing fire mage with a group of really good mages made controlling ignites so much fun. I miss AQ Mage gameplay
in AQ 20 on ossirian we had 4 fire mages nd our tank said "let tank get threat before going ham and watch ignites on fire vuln" so we all hit scorch nd went fucking HAMMM then did hot potato with the boss coz threat XD we got rank 1-4 for server tho, lips is so op!
some of those rolling ignites were a bit insane, especially on something like thaddius
Yeah, you could always tell when the mages got a good ignite string going.
9:50 - You keep incorrectly using this phrase 'greater margin for error' in almost all of your videos and I know this is pedantic but it's really bugging me. If something has a large margin for error, it means mistakes are *more* tolerated, not less - hence the 'margin' or allowed level of error being large.
What you mean to say is the opposite - if something is difficult or complicated then it has a much *smaller* margin for error.
Ignite with triple PI mage and each mage had to have a flask of petri for bosses like thaddius... I doubt there will ever be more sweat than classic
Another example, Eye of the Dead healing trinket from Saph in Naxx didn't work correctly for the entirety of classic for heal over time spells. Normally it gave you a buff similar to the ZG trinket that counted down from 5 every time you used a spell, but this trinket didn't trigger hots. So you had 30 seconds of insanely buffed HoTs instead of 7.5 seconds (5x 1.5 second casts). With being the only resto druid and using full Tier 2 (extra rejuv tick)... this combo was kinda nuts, even in naxx.
For added context, the on use effect was 450 healing for 5 casts. However because HoTs didn't eat the casts… that meant you got 20 casts of 450 healing buffed hots. This would give Eye of the Dead an effective average healing of 182.5 healing (70 Base + 450/4). When looked at side by side compared to rejuv gem… which gave 66 healing, this trick was nuts.
And druids weren't allowed to HoT due to buff cap :D
@@BuklanVuklan They were if you were the one giving them summons to the top of the gates of AQ or on top of naxx. Perks of a guild summoner! Besides, it was only really a problem during DMF week
@@BuklanVuklan Good druids with that trinket were allowed a buff slot on Saph, I was doing 1k+ HPS, also the 8/8 T2 was very good for that fight.
Druids above me trying to cope 😸 my speedrun guilds token druid was dodgemyshred that pretty much was only let in because hes a 100 parser and was rich enough to sponsor our guilds flasks
@@WoWUndad You know we are talking about resto druids right, not a feral. Also he was never a 100 parser. No good guild took a feral druid on speedruns, they ran a single resto hybrid with hit gear for Mark and FF.
I really think that the melee weaving for hunters were super cool. They shouldn't have got rid of that, that's one more way of getting better at your class :(
Then they'd have to either A) Balance all hunter damage around the idea that they'll be weaving, meaning if you don't weave you'll do significantly less damage than those who do or B) Make it do so little damage that it's basically just for style points.
@@Jimpy__ Well that's their job to figure out how to balance that. May be make it a talent or something. Bring back aspects and make it so one aspects works for auto attacks like WW mastery works, and they have a minimum range for range attacks again idk. If it's an aspect people can still play whatever spec so it's not like it would invalidate the whole class
That's homies point you can't balance it in a way where it'd actually be satisfying to use
@@philbuttler3427 Like I said, it's not my job to help them balance the game and neither is it yours. Just let them figure that out, they're a multimillion dollars company, they have resources. Now whether they want to put a little less resources into store mounts and a little more into balance, idk, that's their decision too I guess
@hugoboncar You aren't getting what they are saying.
By 'balancing' it, then it makes it useless. The only reason you'd melee weave is to maximize damage because of how tight it is to do consistently.
It is either the best strategy to use, or it isn't worth doing.
I can’t believe even the remake is considered nostalgic now. I’m really fking old aren’t I?
Back in vanilla I had the awkward luck to find out that vael's first debuff application would trigger lightning shield, which is kinda neat because it meant that thorns also triggered... but it was also horrible as I instantly pulled threat and caught the timed first breath attack in the face... took us like 4 pulls to figure out how I, or the other shamans were pulling threat when we had not even cast a spell yet.
vanilla i was a undead holy priest on stormrage... named Justbilly.... loved when people asked what my name meant... im just billy nothing more nothing less LOL
and only time you could raid in green gear as a healer and do good!
You cannot set out to create a game like vanilla wow. They just occur. And it's great. The symmetrical, homogenized mmos we have today are soulless compared to the craziness of mmos of the 2000s.
Can you talk more about Bots. We really need Blizz attention on this because PvP is becoming unplayable. I love PvP and play it just for fun mostly in 70s bracket not really twinking but got brutal gear etc and in every call to arms it is just ridiculous how many bots are in each game. When it was WSG few weeks back i got more than once in game with 9 bots AB had over 10 bots now in SOTA again with 10+ and i hear at 80s a bit less of them per game but still alot. This is all part of game that is literary unplayable with idk why Horde side have it harder than alliance as more bots are there.
Blizz does not care.
@@nordpark Well my point is we need more attention on this problem so they start to care tf
for blizz each bot is one sub money so they don't care
@@Mishke820 They will never care. Profit is more important than people.
Got to say for those saying bots bring money with subs, theres point when it become counterproductive and i believe we passed that point. It is not some unseen chars any more they are out on open destroying one big segment of game to the point when it become unplayable and people are quitting the game because of it.
Stop giving excuses to Blizz heard it all, forums are swarmed with posts about bots we need more attention on this and only who Blizz listen to some point are content creators.
It was me, the fire mage in Molten core, topping the DPS meters except on the fight that mattered!
We have one of the top ferals in wrath in our guild and he flower weaves lol
flower weave? what on earth is that :D
@@Edolin89 not sure how it works but he shifts out of cat form to cast gift of the wild on the raid to try proc clearcasting during energy downtime
@@Ayayron_e3 Precisely that 🤘 U can be sneaky and do a insant heal and get a proc to. But gift of the wild insane high chance to proc omen. Gimps raid wide dps tho if no other provide the 5% crit buff when your out of form 😂
10:53 "feel very bad".... what felt worse was to level it back up leteraly everytime you changed spec as 2h enha shaman :D
enha could use 2h when talented into, that means if you changed your talents, you lost the skill and all progress....
"I don't like PvP"
>Ruthlessly tries to maximize DPS so they are above everyone else.
This video implies us "boomer" Vanilla raiders were unaware of the advantages of +300 wep skill and that it was degenerate Classic zoomers who discovered it
We had our MT get MC'd outside Naxx and get blessings thrown on them by some pallys.
That's how we got our first Patchwerk
I tried to be a sweaty feral as my second character. Farming MCP broke me as did running gdkp as a legit non-gold buyer, seeing people spend several thousand on prebis blues. Wasn't worth the effort at that point.
Classic Vanilla was such Amazing, loved it. I Hope there will be a Classic+ Mode coming and bring all the Legendary Players.
Everything is the same, just enhanced with more abilities and mechanics.
They can even introduce the some of the newer content (like Kezan before the sinking or Tol Barad) as Vanilla+ zones, done with classic mechanics instead of modern.
Please no goblin playable race or kul titans eeww
Hunters were good at spellmelee damage if you were dual wielding the life steal weapons from ZG (2× 1h axes) with a couple hundred spellpower)
There are videos on UA-cam of a melee only hunter pulling some good dps from life steal melee procs
I really wish I had the time to properly finish TBC classic with my guild and play into Wrath...
Casters could wand attack into a mele hit and insta wand after if the wand and mele weapon have same attack speed more or less
spell rogue with on hit procs, shadow oil, dragon chili
No
Garbage tier
The ea in hearth is pronounced a, like (British) ask. 👍
really solid video
Night elf feral cats have PUPILS!??! WHAT
As a feral druid from classic who now plays on a private server as a wand spec. Yes there's quite a few who actively attempt to play the game abnormally
I'm rolling my fire kitty right meow. Can't wait!!!
The reason classic wow wasnt like vanilla back in the day was because the mentality of the players changed
yes and no. late stage vanilla wow has basicly been "solved". every bis setup is known, every abusable tactic, every rotation etc etc, and it's not a new game attracting new players. thus you just get very dedicated grinding of select places in the world (leaving most content unused). however the game wasn't this static back then, with the first year basicly consisted of patch after patch that redid most classes, most of the gear and loads of mechanics. this utuber refers to frost as being the pick due to fire resistance on mobs, but it was also due to the incredibly limited mana management available to mages, and with gear more or less ONLY scaling your int and spirit (and doing jack crap to your spell damage) you just had most mages going frost as it's better to do slightly less dps continually than sitting there regening mana doing nothing for half the fight.
Did i hear him say " Vanilla bosses were easy"? They were not!
Addicted to your content, TY!
Melee-weaving with wind-fury and trinketswapping with feign death was what made hunter worth playing in Classic. Very mana-hungry but so much more fun. Honestly if I knew it was still a thing in TBC I might have kept playing.
What an actually braindead take.
I think people liked doing whacky stuff like this, and, in light of your video a few weeks back on Classic+, I think designing new content based around this concept (where BiS isn't always lv60+ gear) might be the way to go when creating new content
I remember a friend of mine using the robe drop from the boss of Shadowfang keep on a non tanking paladin and getting a huge DPS boost from all of it's caster buffs.
great video. could you add chapters please
You forgot hunter trinket swapping!
I used the chili on my warrior as a secret
I think this video is a partial example of why wow went downhill. Classic was loved for the story, the combat, the community, and it seems like every patch since cata has been making one of these core aspects worse. I won't be delusional and say wow would still be king if they hadn't added things like lfr but it changed how the game is played so much that it's kind of absurd.
enh shaman could weave rockbitter into WF for insane damage. Thanks spell batching! You will forever be missed
I still have stacks of mystery meat in my bank on my druid to this day. In classic our aoe threat gen was not good. I used dragon breath chilli until I hit 70 in TBC. Even broke it out in kara a few time for the memes.
10:28 it was viable on OG wotlk.
The attack table was weird.
This is WoW before everything was normalized. I like Vanilla for this, multiples items with different effect which were usable for PvE & PvP content. Truly RPG.
This reminds me of the drug addicts I went to rehab with. We could take anything and form it into a bowl to smoke with. True addiction leads to ultimate creativity when one has to be efficient.
Yeah, I am not that kind of person who tries to squeeze out such thing. I am too old school for that and am satisfied with doing well enough and not this crap
I. Love. Dragon. Chili.
I still can't tell if feral druids are hard huffing copium or if they're just build different
Hard huffing Copium
yeah it's a hard huff for sure
Honorable mention would be unholy death knights snap shotting manual crowd pummeler haste into army of the dead. And of course gargoyle.
Another real good strat for Vael debuff is to cast portals for the person that's about to explode. Since it's right next to instance entrance, summoning them back was an easier way and saves hearthstone CD.
In the last 1-2 months of TBC I respecced my warlock to fire, it was super unusual and fun
I was not ready to see a Hunter with Ashkandi, my vanilla rage meter went off the charts.
-signed a vanilla tank that lusted after that weapon :P
If you enjoy Vanilla come join us in Classic Era Whitemane PVP server, doesn't matter which faction you choose the server's actually playable. I was hesitating at first but I joined this week and it's really chill for leveling.Decent amount of World PvP in Hillsbrad, STV , Stonetalon, even fought 5v5 infront of RFK entrance where we wiped the enemy without any casualties. No trouble finding dungeons, I ran WC 3 times , SFK 2 times , BFD once , SM GY 4 times , RFK 3 times. You get to know almost everyone your level on the server and add them and there is a true feeling of community. I even convince people to run the same dungeon multiple times and they almost always agree, and we sometimes even go to certain Elite quests to knock them out as a group. Good Vibes all around, I would love to see more people join this is an amazing server and if it keeps growing it will only get better. On average i'd say 300 to 500 people online on Horde side, about the same for Alliance.
good to hear. going now. lol
Why is everything spoken in past ? Look at era servers, people are playing.
Hi Will!
Playing at hitcap is considered breaking the game?
Please cover the botting situation in wotlk right now. It's getting insane.
Turns out they were wrong about those BiS gloves.
Rolling ignite with flask of petrification on thaddius lol
Look whos back to making era vids, era aint dead!
did getting weapon skill up to 312 (human/orc+edgemaster) do anything worthwhile for raid bosses?
N 307 and it drops off significantly as the glancing is no longer affected
Willie's uploads are always a welcomed sight
I only play private servers now.
I miss one shotting ppl with sulfuras and slam build in early classic(later on slam was reseting aa so it wasnt fun and viable anymore)
When did this come into play - the AA resetting from slam?
oh god, the thumbnail get me
0:13 Oh my god this is too real.
dragon roger
Ad, video intro, sponsor, ad. Not worth it. I give up on watching.
yeah clicking 2 minutes later in the video sure was some hard work
@@andrewmoluf4299 what a little simp cuck you are.
No feral went for that chili tactic
i was thinking the same thing? i never saw this ever lol, was this even an actual thing? i never saw any high parsing druids do this
Meleeweaving in Vanilla was probably fine - Hunters didn't have a lot of spamable abilities so there was significant downtime where you could step in, melee, step back out.
In TBC Meleeweaving was... a chore. We had more abilities and effectively zero downtime. So to get in good melee swings you had to play near perfectly (or have a cheeky script macro) otherwise the meleeweave would be a DPS loss.
Thank goodness its not a thing in Wrath - we have trapweaving, but its nowhere near as complicated and is a massive DPS increase as Survival due to lock and load procs being more common (for those not in the know, you get the proc from dot ticks from either Black Arrow, Explosive Trap or Immolation Trap - Explosive has a longer uptime then Black Arrow AND does more damage even single target (and is nutty good with cleaving or AoE), while Immolation is just... bad?). Main downside is some bosses have annoying hit boxes (either tiny ones right in the center of the model or massive ones where you have to spend two seconds running in before dropping then using disengage to leap backwards) and its reliant on the tanks cooperating by not moving around unexpectedly.
Most of the top TBC parses with hunters weren't even playing the game near the end of TBC classic, a lot of the top Chinese players had an addon that worked with AutoHotKey to do their rotation. Because ranged and melee range was such a small difference, the addon would also do incredibly small player movements so that the hunter would be in melee range to raptor strike and then instantly be in ranged weapon range again.
Hard disagree on TBC weaving being a chore, it felt so much better than Vanilla because of the deadzone removal. You could weave very badly and still gain DPS from it. Macro abusers definitely ruined it though.
I’d love if you’d make a video about how classic wow
Is the only game where every zone matters every item could be good for specific moments and so on.
Yes I love wotlk because most classes feel way more perfect but classic is awesome because it has flaws and we learned playing with them
Be Horde, go pvp, get mindcontrolled and then have paladin blessings thrown on you...
I used to like mcing people just to give them fort, I'm sure they were scared though when I did it
dragonsbreath chili has no ICD.
on private funservers where a 0.00 attack speed is attainable through high haste custom gear DBC procs nearly constantly and is used to supplement damage.
same with shadow oil on weapons.
these videos just keep getting sadder, more desperate...more repetitive over time
And he drags the videos on repeating the same shit.
Much like your posting