Eric Hovind LOST (History)
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2021
- Drawing upon his movie, Genesis Paradise Lost, Eric Hovind has a new seven-part group study curriculum called "LOST" In part 1, Eric laments losing the history presented in Genesis. But is that really history at all?
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ERRATA -
- Winston Churchill's mother was an American
- rather than "base 10 numerology", I should have said "base 10 numbering system" (numerology is a mystical study of numbers)
- there is dispute about how close Enuma Elish ("Seven Tablets of Creation") is to Genesis 1. I get that it's contested and encourage you to review for yourself.
I was aware of the similarity between the two but that it was actually a response directed at it was new to me, if that's true. I assumed they just wanted to write their own Jewish approved version. Also could it be that there was a neo-babylonian successor to the Enuma Elis by the 6th century BC that resembles genesis 1 even closer?
A circle can be a square : Check out taxicab and Chebyshev distances.
I'm sure he meant in the context of Euclidean geometry with the standard metric.
Also, 2+2=4 in any base that's 5 or higher. Essentially, in any system where the numeral 4 is used.
A circle can be a square IF one doesn’t use compass and straight edge for the construction. To elucidate on other comment.
Was she really American though? Born maybe, but spent most of her life in UK and France.
As I age I'm dumbfounded at how cartoonish Christians like Eric are.
My thoughts exactly
Ryan Swanson It's not just "Christians like Eric." Some present their beliefs in Eric's puerile manner, and some pretend to a more sophisticated manner. But they all believe the same ridiculous BS.
Hey, hey, hey. This really isn’t the channel to use “cartoon” as an insult. 😉
It takes a cartoon to criticize cartoons, apparently.
I'm dumbfounded at how cartoonish all religious people are.
Did Eric seriously just tell people to "research" something by directing them to a site that only promotes his idea?
Not that this would be shocking or strange from him, but it's so blatant.
But he can prove his point with scientificalated stuff.
It's like hiding (the truth) in plain sight 😜🤑
🤣🤣🤣
This is a great way to know someone is not reliable when they try to convince you of something: their entire argumentation boils down to "do the research for me"
Yep, did. Just like flat Earthers and proponents of homeopathy.
I laugh when "they" say, "our religion says something no religion ever said before", like that validates something, no religion before has ever proposed that the blessed and delicious tentacles of the spaghetti god are tickling our love buds so that's gotta be true.
This post has never been heard by the world until now so I know I'm right and I always will be so ignore all those other spaghetti heads, I have the real sauce, I swear on my cheese.
The Sauce: Real
The Noodles: Thicc
It's spaghetti time yall
Hmmmm! Sacralicious!
I wondered what that sensation was... I thought it was just wind!
Ohh Noodles is a good mate of mine, he always brings the pirates, booze and booty to the party.
Unlike Allah and Yawei who are miserable cunts always complaining about us having fun.
Or, it's unlikely that Moses would have come up with that order of creation by himself? Why not? It seems logical - first, you need a world, and to be OUR world, you have to have both land and sea. Then to have animals, you have to have the plants they would eat first, and it would make sense, in a culture where humans were very reliant upon animals, to have them created before humans. For a primitive person, that would not be an unreasonable idea to come up with.
"Could you be wrong about what you believe?" Yes I learned that when I left religion.
Yeah, when i see a problem, i research it... that's why im not religious, and i know the earth is a sphere. (Oblate spheroid)
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 it honestly makes me sad when I hear about people leaving religion. I mean Paul is entertaining but that's pretty much it. I mean to think that all of this oh, everything. You now believe came from random nothing. Depressing.
@@shadycnetwork If that is the definitively inevitable conclusion to be reached, it is what it is. IMHO, the most obvious alternative outcome (i.e., conscious/of intentional self-deception) would be even more depressing.
@@ksan1648 so you believe everything came from nothing? the solar system? The Galaxy? The Earth? All the animals? The atmosphere? Everyone and everything came from nothing? Human consciousness? Just a random happy accident? That sounds like more of a leap than a Flying Spaghetti Monster LOL.
@@shadycnetwork uh-huh, great example of the ol' argument from incredulity. All I'm saying is that if the road to reason ineluctably leads to a certain destination, what of it? Do you think a person can really adopt a position which they actually disbelieve?
Wait, wait, wait...Jesus, a Jew teaching Jews about Jew stuff said the Jew’s book about being a Jew was correct?! Well now I’m not lost anymore. Strong work Eric.
There are surprisingly manny Christians who outright ignore that very simple fact and claim there is no problem with slavery because that is "just the old testament".
@@guiagaston7273 the testament that JC did not change one jot or tiddle of? I hope they can pardon my skepticism.
Exactly that one :)
@@guiagaston7273 There also doesn't seem to be any problem with the commandments they DO like never ever having existed and Jesus referring to Moses as if he was a real person when we know for a fact he wasn't, or with the fact that Jesus said that slaves must obey their masters no matter how cruel they are (not were - an important distinction, especially now that all of the commandments and Jesus' lessons have been shown to be harmful instead of helpful and I dare anyone to find me one that is helpful in this day and age).
Disclaimer: Like Eric, I too like to teach Jesus' lessons, especially the one about being very insulted when someone mentions washing hands. I will tell people that the vilest things come out of people's mouths and aren't on their hands. If I'm right they're dicks anyway and I don't care what kind of disease they put in their mouths while eating :p
Just kidding :D I would never teach any of Jesus' "teachings" to people. I'm not a sociopath.
@@stylis666 now I want to look up the name apologetics for the hand washing stuff
'first married couple'? where in Genesis is the marriage ceremony, I must have missed that bit; not an 'I do' in sight LOL!
Must have been a quiet reception
Guys, that means there is a precedent for a man marrying ribs.
There's a passage in the Bible that says something along the lines of any man that sleeps with a woman takes that woman as his wife.
@@markcostello5120 Oh, damn. I thought I was a bachelor.
@@condorboss3339 I hope you can still count all your wifes ;)
The education content based on the movie based on a book based on unwritten myths based on magic.
And I thought movies based on games are shit.
Well said, but then, you are the deity!
@S Gloval Oral traditions. Do you know nothing of history?
Aww c'mon, don't be so cynical.
Just tell your brain to stop thinking and it will work.
@@zacheryeckard3051 Biblical statements are more anal than oral,
and predominantly bovine.
@S Gloval What do you mean how could he know that? It's well known that jewish mythology (that's what religions are, definitionally) was passed down by oral histories LONG before it was ever written down and codified. You ever play telephone?
And the "based on magic" is just how the OT works. Speaking magical incantations (See the very beginnings of the creation story in genesis) is how magic works. The god of the OT and all his miracles are magic. That's how that worldview worked.
Thanks for your videos, they are great. Helped me realize that I'm not a horrible person for leaving the religion of my parents and family. Thank you very much, I hope you know how much you help people that feel alone and guilty in this new world some of us find ourselves in.
Warm hugs through the network that you are very much not alone and certainly not guilty. Know that the world is a buffet of knowledge, challenges and experience, and that religion is just a bowl of rice. Welcome to the table !!
your not alone at all
@@onedaya_martian1238 and know the world came from random nothing LOL. You have no idea how much it depresses me when people leave their religious beliefs behind. All of this. Everything. Just nothing.
@@shadycnetwork people will do what people will do. If they feel better about leaving religious beliefs behind,let em. I dont know any people who have a problem with the earth being created by a fuck ton of rocks
@@corumsorensen7822 if you saw somebody in the road and they were about to be hit by a car, would you let them get hit or try to save them? That's the Christian mindset.
Thats why us historians are now using archeology far more even for things we thought we knew
I feel like Eric’s continued “correspondence” with Paul is just an optics game to make him seem intelligent by interacting with as sharp a dude as Paul
Secretly, Eric wishes he could escape from the ways of his father and envies Paul's logic, creativity, clarity and especially his freedom from religion that Eric still has to grift off of in order to pay the bills.
It's a shameful thing that Eric thinks we don't know this.
"Its more special and satifying when YOU find the info... from the hand-picked, bias-confirming texts that I'm trying to limit you to..."
Its almost like these guys are TRYING to highlight their own dishonesty...
Exactly.
They put giant glowing neon signs around their dishonesty. They don't care. Cults always do that kind of thing. First you destroy someone's pride, then you tell them up is down and right is wrong, and then you tell them lying is their sacred duty. The idiots will proudly march forward and attack your enemies for you.
@@EdwardHowton That's completely on the money. Organised delusion will always need canon fodder as a buffer against reality.
"That's cool and all, that you can proof Jesus believed in genesis"
Ehm, no Eric. No rational person would say that. Because a book saying a character talked about another part of the book is not evidence that this character actually did so, or that the character even existed... It's only evidence that the writers knew what was in earlier parts of the book.
And the irony of a creationist asking others whether they would want to know whether they are wrong...
Using Eric's "logic," Harry Potter is true. After all: the later books refer to previous books in the series, it has prophecies that are fulfilled in the book series, and it mentions real places in the world. And it has fewer internal inconsistencies.
I believe in Harry Potter since I have seen him and heard him talk, can't say the same about any part of the bible, torah or Q'uran.
Paulogia, you're on fire lately! I'm lovin it.
This is much like a history course based entirely on the contents of the Indiana Jones movies.
If your notion of history is derived from fictional novels, you might as well make it up yourself.
Personally I think Pippin was pulling Sauron's puppet strings.
@@ziploc2000 Nope. It's Balrogs all the way down.
@@condorboss3339 down to the bottomless pit?
Just wanna add: it's not as easy to compose a creation myth/story as you might think. Ran a Dungeons and Dragons game decades ago which delved into cultural mythology and I had to write three or four from "scratch"... 😝
Taking the piss out of any Hovind is better than no Hovindication at all, even though Eric’s manner is less annoying & execrable than his loving PaPa’s, he’s still 100% Hovind
Are these people genetically assembled one atom at a time by an intelligent designer?
I find Eric more sociable when he talks off the cuff and more embarrassing when he tries to follow a script.
He has zero talent for what he's doing, he just doesn't know any other life.
I suspect they (The Hovinds) are a different species. Arrived at through relentless inbreeding for hundreds of years. The Hovind Hominid.
I would also like to obtain a paulogia emoji
Getting one's eyes opened can be a painful operation. "I've been wrong all along," is difficult to believe.
It is necessary for personal growth to accept you can be wrong. Scientific theories need to have the property of being able to be disproven. We should question our learning in a similar manner, within reason. We can’t become frozen with doubt every minute.
@@revan552 Reminds me of that one scientific guy who spent a couple decade developping a theory, and then at the end of a presentation that completely shattered his ideas, he went to the young and upcoming scientist to say : "Sir, i've been wrong all those years. Thank you."
Dude, Tony Reed is so dope, glad to hear him in here
Why is Eric still pretending he cares about your opinion? Good optics? He clearly isn’t listening to your past feedback.
I think so, he likes to look like he's a good person, to his flock. Reaching out to the heathen makes him look like a savior.
He’s showing good manners. Can only make him look good.
It makes him seem like a compassionate interlocutor
Poor guy. The only thing his dad gave him was the art of the grift. (Edited, because I'm a goof)
Kind of like donald trump's children
Grift?
Grift
and only a halfwit's dose of it.
I thought he got a pocket knife. Wait that was the other preacher’s kid
I'd love to hear Eric's response to this.
Would be funny, but he can't change his script
"LaLaLaLa, I can't hear you"
-Eric Hovind
@@davidgriffin9247, ken hovind 'I wasn't prepared for that'
LMFAO
Unfortunately it will be the same unwaveringly predictable pap, trying to pass itself off as deeply insightful, and not the desperately shallow apologetics of a staunch Gobshite. Basically a cerebral train wreck in slow motion.
I enjoy the open dialogue you have, it further proves to me that its important to give respect to those who deserve it rather than those who demand it.
Love you Paul, always good seeing notifications of new releases.
You’re one of the best Paulogia! Your videos make my heart happy 😀
In the land of circular logic, everyone has an excuse for believing in nonsense.
I’ve had worse.
@John Norris
Good thing I'm working to avoid circular logic. Shame I didn't know until recently that was a problem for us Christians.
Appreciate your work Paul. Thank you, keep it up.
I really appreciate everything you do, I’ve watched you for years and really wish you got more recognition for the effort and honesty that is obvious you put into all your videos, I think a good thank you is all I can give you and maybe a god bless! Lol
thank you, Matt
@@Paulogia
"Many of these features of the god El will sound remarkably familiar to the astute reader of the Hebrew Bible because of their application to YHWH, the god of Israel. The Ugaritic corpus, which predates the vast majority of the writings of the Hebrew Bible by at least several centuries, is perhaps the most illuminating body of literature for the study of the Hebrew Bible because of its close thematic, linguistic, and stylistic connections to that corpus. Furthermore, the Ugaritic texts are the only texts from the ancient world that give us direct, native insight into the religious worldview of a society that worshiped many of the gods polemicized against in the Hebrew Bible, and most especially the god Baal and the goddess Asherah (Ugaritic Athirat). In this case we are able to see that the ancient Israelites, as disclosed through the Hebrew Bible, appropriated a number of terms, themes, and titles from the god El in their portrayals of YHWH.
To underscore the fact that terminology and imagery originally used for the god El was adopted by the Israelites in their descriptions of YHWH, the following brief summary might be placed in comparison to the discussion of El above: YHWH is an aged, patriarchal deity (Ps. 102:28; Job 36:26; Is. 40:28; Dan. 7.9-14, 22), a father (Deut. 32:6; Is. 63:16; 64:7; Jer. 3:4, 19; 31:9, etc.), merciful and gracious (Ex. 34:6; Jon. 4:2; Joel 2:13; Ps. 8615; 103:8; 145:8, etc.), a divine patron who bestows the blessing of progeny upon Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, often manifesting himself in dreams or visions, a healer (Gen. 20:17; Num. 12:13; 2 Kgs. 20:5, 8; Ps. 107:20, etc.), who dwells in a tent (Ps. 15:1; 27:6; 91:10; 132:3) amidst the heavenly waters (Ps. 47:5; 87; Is. 33: 20-22; Ez. 47:1-12, etc.), the creator of the cosmos, who is enthroned as heavenly King in the divine council (1 Kgs. 22:19; Is. 6:1-8; cf. Ps. 29:1-2; 82; 89: 5-8, etc.) on the sacred mount of assembly (e.g., Is. 14:13). Additionally, in much Israelite religious practice throughout the monarchic period, YHWH had a divine consort, the goddess Asherah, the Hebrew equivalent of Ugaritic Athirat.
The question thus arises, were YHWH and El originally separate gods worshiped in Israel, with YHWH being El’s son or chief vizier (perhaps analogous to the way in which Baal functioned in relationship to El in the Ugaritic texts), or was YHWH just another name, or perhaps better, title, of the Canaanite god El? As noted above in Exodus 6:2-3 (c.f. Ex. 3:13-15), certain biblical texts specifically identify El with YHWH. Nevertheless, despite the many similarities noted above between El and YHWH, there are also some significant discrepancies. For example, unlike El, YHWH’s temperament in many texts in the Hebrew Bible can be quite fierce or hostile. For instance, Exodus 15:3, from the same ancient poetic chapter quoted above that exalts YHWH above all other gods, states, “YHWH is a man of war; YHWH is his name” (יְהוָה אִישׁ מִלְחָמָה יְהוָה שְׁמֽוֹ). Such passages, both in verse and prose, could be multiplied considerably. In contrast, there is no significant evidence that El was imagined as a warrior god like YHWH or Baal. Moreover, like Baal, but entirely unlike El, YHWH is frequently associated with storm imagery.
The Hebrew Bible is simply replete with storm imagery for YHWH (c.f. the theophanic manifestation of YHWH at Sinai in Ex. 19:16-20). Finally, YHWH does not appear to have been a native Canaanite deity, as reflected, for example, in the fact that he is not mentioned in the deity lists discovered at Ugarit.[12]"
www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2010/03/when-jehovah-was-not-the-god-of-the-old-testament-part-ii/amp/
@@Paulogia
"Contrary to these biblical traditions that suggest an assimilation between Yahweh and El, there are other passages that seem to indicate that Yahweh was a separate and independent deity within El’s council. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 is one of those rare biblical passages that seemingly preserves a vestige of an earlier period in proto-Israelite religion where El and Yahweh were still depicted as separate deities: Yahweh was merely one of the gods of El’s council! This tradition undeniably comes from older Canaanite lore.
When the Most High (’elyôn) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated humanity, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings. For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.
There are two points to take away from this passage. First, the passage presents an apparently older mythic theme that describes when the divine beings, that is each deity in the divine counsel, were assigned and allotted their own nation. Israel was the nation that Yahweh received. Second, Yahweh received his divine portion, Israel, through an action initiated by the god El, here identifiable through his epithet “the Most High.” In other words, the passage depicts two gods: one, the Most High (El), is seen as assigning nations to the divine beings or gods (the Hebrew word is elohim, plural “gods”) in his council; the other, Yahweh, is depicted as receiving from the first god, the Most High, his particular allotment, namely the people of Israel.
Similarly, in another older tradition now preserved in Numbers 21:29, the god Chemosh is assigned to the people of Moab.
Other biblical passages reaffirm this archaic view of Yahweh as a god in El’s council. Psalm 82:1 speaks of the “assembly of El,” Psalm 29:1 enjoins “the sons of El” to worship Yahweh, and Psalm 89:6-7 lists Yahweh among El’s divine council.
Thus there seems to be ample evidence in the biblical record to support the claim that as Yahweh become the supreme national deity of the Israelites, he began to usurp the imagery, epithets, and old cultic centers of the god El. This process of assimilation even morphed the linguistic meaning of the name El, which later came to mean simply “god,” so that Yahweh was then directly identified as ’el-thus Joshua 22:22: “the god of gods is Yahweh” (’el ’elohim yhwh)."
Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the same god or not?
contradictionsinthebible.com/are-yahweh-and-el-the-same-god/
@@Paulogia
What's in God's name
"The first clue that the ancient Israelites worshipped gods other than the deity known as Yhwh lies in their very name. “Israel” is a theophoric name going back at least 3200 years, which includes and invokes the name of a protective deity.
Going by the name, the main god of the ancient Israelites was not Yhwh, but El, the chief deity in the Canaanite pantheon, who was worshipped throughout the Levant.
In other words, the name "Israel" is probably older than the veneration of Yhwh by this group called Israel, Römer says. “The first tutelary deity they were worshipping was El, otherwise their name would have been Israyahu.”"
How the Jews invented God, and made him great - Archaeology - Haaretz.com
www.haaretz.com/amp/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-how-the-jews-invented-god-and-made-him-great-1.5392677
@@Paulogia
How did the Bible’s editors conceal evidence of Israelite polytheism?
"Consider this innocent-sounding verse from the thirty-second chapter of Deuteronomy as rendered in the King James Version, published in 1611:
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. For the Lord’s portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
This verse, though a bit obscure, seems to say that God-called the “Most High” in one place and “the Lord” in another-somehow divided the world’s people into groups and then took an especially proprietary interest in one group, Jacob’s. But this interpretation rests on the assumption that “Most High” and “the Lord” do both refer to Yahweh. Do they?
The second term-“the Lord”-definitely does; this is the Bible’s standard rendering of the original Hebrew Yhwh. But might “Most High”-Elyon-refer to [the Canaanite god] El? It’s possible; the two words appear together-El Elyon-more than two dozen times in the Bible. What moves this prospect from possible toward probable is the strange story behind another part of this verse: the phrase “children of Israel.”
The King James edition got this phrase from the “Masoretic Text,” a Hebrew edition of the Bible that took shape in the early Middle Ages, more than a millennium after Deuteronomy was written. Where the Masoretic Text-the earliest extant Hebrew Bible-got it is a mystery. The phrase isn’t found in either of the two much earlier versions of the verse now available: a Hebrew version in the Dead Sea Scrolls and a Greek version in the Septuagint, a pre-Christian translation of the Hebrew Bible.
Why would some editor have invented the phrase? Was something being covered up?
Some scholars who have used the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint to reconstruct the authentic version of the verse say that “children of Israel” was stuck in as a replacement for “sons of El.” With that lost phrase restored, a verse that was cryptic suddenly makes sense: El-the most high god, Elyon-divided the world’s people into ethnic groups and gave one group to each of his sons. And Yahweh, one of those sons, was given the people of Jacob. Apparently at this point in Israelite history (and there’s no telling how long ago this story originated) Yahweh isn’t God, but just a god-and a son of God, one among many."
So how does Yahweh rise through the ranks? How does a god initially consigned to a lower level of the pantheon eventually merge with the chief god, El, and even, in a sense, supplant him? …"
The Evolution of God - by Robert Wright
evolutionofgod.net/question_israelite
Why wouldn't Eric believe that moses wrote about his own death?
He believes in blood magic and zombies already, does not seem like much of a stretch to me to add this thing to the list.
How long is the list
@@tanktheryu9506 about 1200 pages ;)
@@guiagaston7273 that's alot
@@tanktheryu9506 it's a big book
Trying to square reality with a literal reading of the Bible were my first steps towards the door too.
Now I have a very high degree of confidence that, if there is some god, it ain't the one from the bible
Amen. Yahweh is indeed fictional.
The Israelite religion evolved out of the Canaanite religion. Yahweh was some minor deity from the southern Levant who over time took on the imagery and attributes of the older mythical Canaanite deities El and Baal. He only became the one "true" god when some Yahweh only Israelites pushed that agenda.
* Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society
www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/jews-and-arabs-descended-from-canaanites/ *
Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University outlines this in lecture 7 from 30 min onwards.
* ua-cam.com/video/h_UmuEBmS5k/v-deo.html *
Also, inscriptions were found in the form of blessings, referencing Yahweh and his Asherah. Asherah was originally the wife of the Canaanite deity El, so the merging of Yahweh with El is obvious.
* www.seeker.com/amphtml/gods-wife-edited-out-of-the-bible-almost-1766083399.html *
You can also watch Pagan Origins of Judaism that outlines this as well.
* ua-cam.com/video/ZECezMYug8c/v-deo.html *
Also watch Atheism: A History of God (A) by a former Christian.
* ua-cam.com/video/MlnnWbkMlbg/v-deo.html *
Start using the word "she" for the pronoun for god and watch people disagree that something outside the universe has a sex or gender.
@@onedaya_martian1238 you mean like "amen and awomen"? I still giggle at that one.
Ask Eric... 'If you're wrong... would you want to know it?'
Eric knows he's wrong, but he has inherited his dad's shtick and can pay the bills with it. Eric is now "hanging out" with Paul, because he sees someone who has escaped religion. Eric is like a bird in a comfortable cage seeing eagles like Paul enjoying their flights.
"I was able to break this chain of reverence for authority, and I hope you can to." No Gods, No Masters✊🏻
Or to quote killer mike of run the jewels: “look at all these slave masters coastin on your dollar...”
Nicely done, as always.
Exactly, a bachelor cannot be married. That is what I keep telling my wives. For some reason they do not believe me.
"acting pensive" _goddamn,_ Paul! People (rightly) call me an asshole because I use the full arsenal of words instead of pointlessly shying away from the ones their mothers tutted disapprovingly about, but that was _beautifully_ subtle and just as mean as anything I'm capable of when I put in a little bit of effort! A+, my good man!
I just checked out your channel. I love music but I'm not a gamer. Was the game Warframe that had that spinning music? Did you compose that music? =)
Thank you for your work.
Just saw the part where Eric says "go for to look stuff up bc they only give reliable results" (paraphrased, obv) and your response is to not limit the search to just that one site/where Eric says to go. Which I 100% agree with except imo it'd be more effective to give/name either specific scientific resources or let people know how to find scientifically valid resources. That's the part I struggled with when trying to figure things out
Excellent suggestion.
There is no debate among serious historians that Moses is a mythical character
Philip Moses was totally real
@@samuelcalderwood1379 really made up
@@samuelcalderwood1379 do a search on google- you will find the only people that assert moses was a real person and the exodus happened are people who presoppose the bible to be true and work for religious institutions that require statements of faith as a condition of employment
@@philiptoner8719 not true Philip, l make no money from believing Moses to be true, Goggle is rigged Philip, are you willing to risk your eternal destination on Google
@@philiptoner8719 does the guy that makes these videos profit from pushing the unbelief narrative?
Dr. Lyons , when answering the question he asked here, said the original text was obviously a work of fiction.
So Eric probably just forgot to leave Dr. LYONS answer In the video
@@richardlewin9282 Exactly. Eric is a quote miner. and a shameless liar.
I like the new intro with the definitions!
It's actually my original intro 😊 Good to use it now and again.
Looking forward to this series 😉
Fun to Paul is watching trees grow and hockey. LOL 😉
@Eastern fence Lizard lol
I laughed SO hard at "Good insights, Eric. That's exactly what I would say."
It's so cool he trusts you and respects you enough to get your feedback and opinion. I think that is amazing and it shows how both sides of the argument can and should listen to each other calmly and respectfully.
Except he never actually listens.
The Canadian soldier was watching porn, not Eric's movie 🤣
Only one has any claim for entertainment congruent with reality..
I know right, imagine being in his troop, and movie night is showing this really really really really really unfunny comedy, and he thinks this is good.
The people writing and reading the Genesis account would have been very familiar with the earlier tales. #honestMessiah
Paulogia, I really need to ask. Does Eric really believe this tripe? Since you have contact with the man you would probably know best.
Basic analysis would indicate that no, no he does not.
@@philhutchinson5885 Maybe he is just very good with his presentation. Thanks
Yay Paulogia!
The intro alone made me smash the like button. So good 😂
yay
I'm gonna have to go look stuff up! Thanks for including the section on "yom" and the one on mythology parallels from other cultures! I only used to read the Ken Ham books because my family is Christian so I only heard the approach where "yom" had to be one day.
I'm definitely going to read the Enuma Elish. It sounds fascinating!
And this.
The Israelite religion evolved out of the Canaanite religion. Yahweh was some minor deity from the southern Levant who over time took on the imagery and attributes of the older mythical Canaanite deities El and Baal. He only became the one "true" god when some Yahweh only Israelites pushed that agenda.
* Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society
www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/jews-and-arabs-descended-from-canaanites/ *
Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University outlines this in lecture 7 from 30 min onwards.
* ua-cam.com/video/h_UmuEBmS5k/v-deo.html *
Also, inscriptions were found in the form of blessings, referencing Yahweh and his Asherah. Asherah was originally the wife of the Canaanite deity El, so the merging of Yahweh with El is obvious.
* www.seeker.com/amphtml/gods-wife-edited-out-of-the-bible-almost-1766083399.html *
You can also watch Pagan Origins of Judaism that outlines this as well.
* ua-cam.com/video/ZECezMYug8c/v-deo.html *
Also watch Atheism: A History of God (A) by a former Christian.
* ua-cam.com/video/MlnnWbkMlbg/v-deo.html *
@@LM-jz9vh Thank you so much! Later today or sometime this week I can go back and read/watch all of the links you posted!
@@miaulink1152 You're welcome. 😊
Thanks for putting so much time, for so many, for so little pay!!!
Love your Work, Paulogia!!!
Paulogia, this is great. 👍🥰✌😷🎃
thanks, Laura. hope you're doing great.
The quote is actually "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it." from George Santayana (Jorge Agustín Nicolás Ruiz de Santayana y Borrás), a conservative Spanish philosopher who lived from 1863-1952.
Ah yes, a story from a preacher about someone they met.....
Same story as... a friend took this extract and cured their and it can be yours for only $49.99
Having served in the US Air Force for 20 years, and being married to a Jewish woman who is herself a retired veteran, I was concerned with the beginning of Eric's video. At the beginning of the video, Eric told a story about a Canadian soldier who had arranged to have his whole platoon watch the video Eric had given him. I don't know about Canadian law, but here in the US, commands cannot compel service members to attend religious services or any kind of religious indoctrination. Having the whole platoon watch Eric's video comes dangerously close to what we would recognize as that religious indoctrination line.
Here in the States, we have the Military Religious Freedom Foundation championing the rights of service people to not be forced to endure enforced Christianity -- or any other religion. Does Canada have a similar organization? If not, do Canadian service members need one?
Of course, Eric's story about the Canadian soldier _could_ be entirely made up. As a veteran myself, I suspect it is. Ordering an entire platoon to sit down for 1 hour of religious indoctrination just doesn't have the ring of truth to it.
@@bat2293, I agree there's a lot that's fishy about the story -- but my USAF experience in the late 1980s and 1990s makes it plausible enough to me that I hope the Canadian Forces have their equivalent of the MRFF. It also makes me hope they don't need an equivalent of the MRFF.
@@bat2293 *could* be? The whole thing was straight out of r/WellThatHappened
*Private Strawman! Stand to attention! Stop slouching like a bag of dead grass, and watch my video, and I'll tell the world you loved it!*
I like👍🏾 listening to your show on spotify, it gives me a very calm feeling of "zen", very spiritual😏!
thanks Tony
15:33 no one has ever used the word "cool" around Eric.
Didn't scholars established already that Moses did not existed?
It seems unlikely that he did, yes.
I really love that you link to their DVD on their website which they sell that could help them profit, despite it being for the opposing view. It shows you're not scared of being questioned and actually embrace it. Which is something we rarely, if ever, see from theists.
I often wonder if these famous theists actually believe what they're preaching or if they just do it for the fame, influence and/or money. I know I would have done it for spreading the faith when I was a Christian but I've seen too many examples of people doing it for nefarious reasons that I have to doubt everyone.
It's my impression that most secular scholars doubt the very existence of "Moses".
You tricked me! Inthought we were going to talk about Lost, the tv show that started great and ended poorly. I'm truly disappointed.
Whenever one is tricked into consuming content with a misleading name, an evangelical christian is usually to blame
Omg I forgot about that show. Loved it
@@benroberts2222 so true!
I watched the first season and really liked it. By the second season I couldn't make heads or tails of it and I was the one who wound up lost.
2:45 I totally see how someone's reaction to Eric is crying...
We all do 😁 😉
Hey, Paul. Love your stuff. It's well researched and generally well said.
However, I have one *super* minor quibble with your use of the phrase "base 10 numerology" (17:47). "Numerology" is "The study of the purported mystical relationship between numbers (or the letters of words, represented by numbers) and the character or action of physical objects and living things." In other words, it's mostly pseudoscience. I believe you _actually_ meant something like "base 10 numbers", "base 10 notation", or "a base 10 numeral system" instead.
Thanks again for all of the great videos! :-)
good note
My grade school bus driver was named Bachelor, and his daughter went to my school.
Laughing so hard they are crying? Or crying with disgust of how far the human race has fallen? I figuratively did both myself!
Eric deserves a nice vacation. I'd recommend he go on a cruise! He could get on Creflo Dollar's boat (one of them) and pull a L. Ron Hubbard, sailing the Bank Rupt Sea.
Eric has always been lost.
Very constructive! Great stuff
Cries of 'Mongels!', distinctive laughter and proclamations of owning the whole world are heard somewhere in the distance.
Simply incredible. Eric has made absolutely no attempt to hide his dishonesty.
Just like dear daddy
It pays the bills, its what daddy taught him. People don't have to send him money, but they do. Eric wants to be like Paul.
Eric designs his own custom built reality made of words
and sells it to his non thinking audience
for tax free cash.
What else is new in America?
I love that you and He are friends. Hopefully you will be a good influence on Eric.
Eric will eventually admit that all he has/had to pay the bills was the shtick he got from his dad. This discussion with Paul is Eric's way to leave the dark side of the force.
This is pretty cool. Thank you.
Not only do historians think Moses didn't write the pentateuch, but most scholars think he didn't even exist. The historicity section of the wikipedia article gives sources for this. If Christians expect us to accept that Jesus was a historical figure because that's what the scholarly consensus was, doesn't that mean we should reject the historical existence of Moses?
Wikipedia is not written in stone, it is someone's opinion
@@samuelcalderwood1379 There are references to the scholars and the analysis of the literature.
@@phil8264 it doesn't matter whether it refers to the scholars if they are wrong, and they are wrong. Are you staking your eternal destination on some scholar
@@samuelcalderwood1379 Are you saying that Moses was an historical person? What is your source?
And what do you mean I'm "staking my eternal destination on some scholar"? The existence of Moses is a doctrine, not a central dogma to Christianity. According to the Christian faith, your eternal salvation is determined by your acceptance of Jesus, not your acceptance of the historicity of Moses.
@@phil8264 yes Moses was historical, source is the bible, l mean you are disregarding the bible because some fool doesn't like it, and yes Moses doesn't offer salvation but a believer in Jesus also believes the rest of the bible
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." is actually a quote from George Santayana - not Churchill.
“Those who can’t remember the past are destined to repeat 11th grade history.” Mr. Hooten, my 11th grade history teacher.
I first got really involved with YT because of the atheist community I found here - but after years of making, and hearing so many of the same arguments on both sides, it can get boring. But you usually manage to keep it not only interesting, but educational. I thank you for that.
Paul, I don't know if you've mentioned it - at least I haven't heard you do so - but an excellent book which convincingly argues that the Genesis creation account was written as a polemic of the Enūma Eliš and other Mesopotamian creation myths is: Miller, Johnny V., and John M. Soden. "In the Beginning... We Misunderstood: Interpreting Genesis 1 in Its Original Context". Kregel Publications, 2012.
but the Babylonian creation has a giant dragon monster fighting a God so it wins on the fact of being more awesome
Eric the Magic Believer is doing a more Masterpiece Theater or Mouseapiece type of grif.
Best. Intro. Ever.
I am loving the Eric-Paul bromance that is going on.
It makes Eric a step above Ken Ham, who got Paul banned from a conference on private schools.
I wonder if Eric has seriously considered his own questions toward his own position.
It seems as though people like Eric pose these type of questions for others to contemplate but don't take them to heart for themselves.
I think an honest evaluation of the claims and the lack of supporting evidence should at least be reason for pause and concern.
Eric is far too dishonest to indulge in introspection. He has been eviscerated so often in debates with Atheists but just shrugs of the rational logic to continue his grift.
He is just a conman like his father, nothing more.
@@sulas548 I feel confident that this is only a business for these people.
It's hard for me to believe that people like this would walk away from such a cash cow even after they've secretly accepted that they were wrong.
If they really think that this is all BS then it stands to reason that they think there are no eternal consequences for being a conman.
@@joseph-thewatcher - *exactly!*
God wants humanity to be perfect, but does everything in his power to fuck us over.
@S Gloval Read genesis.
@S Gloval He literally created humanity to fail. If you go by the modern Christian version of God that is all-knowing, all-powerful, and infallible, that is.
If you go by the original Hebrew version of God - who was none of those things, and in fact is described as NOT omnipotent & omniscient in Genesis (iron chariots, not knowing Adam & Eve had eaten the forbidden fruit until they showed they had, etc.).
If God wanted humanity to be perfect he could have simply created us perfect but clearly he did not. It does make you wonder why he created us imperfect almost as if we are some sort of science experiment for him so he can sit and watch what we will do next. Come to think of it, I wonder why he created us at all, for what purpose? He didn't have to create us, in fact he didn't have to create anything.
@S Gloval Humans were created without knowledge of good and evil.
Humans were created able to make mistakes.
Humans were created easy to manipulate.
God lied to humans in the garden.
Putting the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden in the first place was setting us up to fail and you know it.
Don't play dumb. You've had these conversations. I've seen them.
@S Gloval OK, just for argument's sake let's assume that you are right, God created us perfect and to live forever without sickness or death. If that is what he wanted why would he have created the tree of knowledge and placed it where Adam and Eve had access to it (knowing of course that they would eat its fruit). That makes absolutely no sense.
If he wanted us to live forever he would not have created that particular tree or alternatively if he really needed to create that tree he could have planted it out of their reach - he's got the entire universe; he could have planted it on another planet in another solar system in another galaxy billions of light years away.
My daughter was taught by her mother's church that the song "Livin' on a prayer" originated with someone in her church, and they of course taught completely different lyrics. She was ten, and eventually came to accept reality, that she was lied to.
The beginning is so funny to me, "I kept telling my military friend to watch this thing but they wouldn't do it so I stopped asking. Then my military friend watched it!" I bet the story is at least a little dramatized to make the movie sound better than it is but it's still really relatable. I rarely watch things people ask me to watch, but the moment people stop pressuring me to watch it, I'm more likely to look into it. I have no idea why I do this lol
14:00 A Hebrew religious preacher refenced the mythology of his people? Wow, that's clearly miraculous, I'm converted in YEC!
that's so original! I'm sure jeebus did it first
When do the smoke monsters show up?
Only when the Man in Black is not in human form.
Thanks Paul for these videos, i have been an atheist since i was about 8 years old, and my life has been plagued by ppl with stupid ideas about life, the world, and how it all works, if we could just get ppl to read, learn, and then spend time looking for some none existent spiritual life, when they retire, man could life be so much more fulfilling.
Thank you, Tersse
Hey Paul, can you clarify the name of that creation story that predates Genesis? I don't understand the pronunciation.
If you could write it out in the description, that would help me to do more reading about it.
Thanks.
Enūma Eliš (also written just as "Enuma Elis" if diacritics are not bothered with for one reason or another)
@@jika327 Cheers!
I think the most stupid lie Eric said was that there's no real debate that Genesis was written by Moses only. What a liar!
The most stupid lie Eric ever told was when he started listening to his father...
@@WilbertLek That's not really fair. Kent's been fairly open that he has threatened his kids with physical violence for not doing what he wants. It's the part where Eric listened unquestioningly that can be blamed on Eric, and even then I find it slightly distasteful. Probably best to focus on the fact Eric is trying to pass down YEC, rather than blaming him for avoiding abuse.
I think we can say that what it means is that Eric personally considers there to be no real debate.
It's not whether there's a debate or not. It's whether Eric's judgement has any value.
With any luck, Eric's antics could pull more people out of that faith.
@@paulelkin3531 He's an idiot. And now he's got you defending his "victimhood"... Guy needs to grow up.
@@WilbertLek He's not only an idiot, he's also harming children. One of paulogia's older videos is even in response to a case where Eric told a kid to push creationism over trying to maintain a healthy family dynamic or maintain their own safety.
I'm sorry to hear that you're no better than Eric is.
Honestly, you are too kind to entertain his dishonesty. Half the words out of his mouth are flat-out demonstrable lies.
Eric is trapped selling religion...he's not doing as well as the other preacher kids like millionaires Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr and Joel Osteen. Subconsciously Eric wants to be free of shucking religion for money like his crooked dad and be like Paul.
Are you sure that the quote is from Winston Churchill? I thought it was from George Santayana.
It is...
I'm hearing lines I've heard Matt Dillahunty say a time or six. Good stuff.
"Only one religious text claims with authority..." So, he's saying that arrogance is a sigh of knowledge and truth? Because the ancient and ignorant authors of the Torah claimed that the Abrahamic god created everything that this religion is true?
He also makes it obvious that he's never read any other religious text in his life.
I wonder what Paul thinks about the historicity of Moses himself. The belief that Moses wrote the pentateuch is kind of out of the question, but given that the Egyptians kept no record of Hebrew slaves ever having been kept there, is there even any reason to believe he existed?
All the events in Moses' life described in the bible rely on the historicity of the Egyptian captivity and the exodus, so my naive conclusion is that Moses probably never existed.
He's likely an amalgamation of Hebrew patriarch figures, much like Jesus is likely the same for messiah figures.
"The study - by Professor Thomas Thompson, one of the world's foremost authorities on biblical archaeology - says that the first 10 books of the Old Testament are almost certainly fiction, written between 500 and 1,500 years after the events they purport to describe.
Professor Thompson's claims, outlined in a new book, The Early History of the Israelite People, are being taken seriously by scholars.
The British Museum's leading expert on the archaeology of the Holy Land, Jonathan Tubb, said last week: 'Professor Thompson may well be right in many of his arguments. His book is a work of tremendous scholarship. He has been meticulous in his research, and brave in expressing what many of us have thought intuitively for a long time but have been reticent in saying.'"
www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/leading-archaeologist-says-old-testament-storeis-are-fiction-1500431.html%3famp
Historicity of Exodus and Moses - The Creatively Maladjusted
www.google.com/amp/s/judgian12365.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/historicity-of-exodus-and-moses/amp/
Notice how some parts of the Bible mention actual rulers, like the Emperor Tiberius, to ground the tale in a specific time, but there are others, like the "Pharaoh" in Genesis who gets a big section, yet is only ever known by the completely generic name "Pharaoh".
The Egyptians kept vast records of every single Pharaoh - no exceptions - just as the Romans recorded every single Emperor, so there is no way that if the "Moses" story was actually true, that the author would be unaware of the actual Pharaoh who was the key to the tale. This "Pharaoh" who's daughter supposedly adopted Moses would have an actual name, as would his daughter, but strangely, the tale doesn't give either of those actual names!
The total anonymity of the "Pharaoh" and his daughter in the tale are the strongest evidence that the whole story was just made up.
Paul, you're saying he sent you a copy of this LOL.. that's kinda cool in a way
14:15, what no music? I love the FTBTMS music😩
Yeah I was expecting it as well.
He sent you a copy to get your feedback? I'm... actually a little bit impressed. By that at least. Now, if he'll just listen to your feedback, we might make some actual progress in the world. But at least that tells me he's more genuine about his beliefs than his father.
Na, I just suspect this is part of his marketing campaign as trying to be sympathetic to the other side's cause
I'm no scholar, but I thought Genesis 1 used "Elohim" exclusively, and notably not YHWH.
Yup!
Because of this. Elohim was the Canaanite god El.
The Israelite religion evolved out of the Canaanite religion. Yahweh was some minor deity from the southern Levant who over time took on the imagery and attributes of the older mythical Canaanite deities El and Baal. He only became the one "true" god when some Yahweh only Israelites pushed that agenda.
* Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society
www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/jews-and-arabs-descended-from-canaanites/ *
Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University outlines this in lecture 7 from 30 min onwards.
* ua-cam.com/video/h_UmuEBmS5k/v-deo.html *
Also, inscriptions were found in the form of blessings, referencing Yahweh and his Asherah. Asherah was originally the wife of the Canaanite deity El, so the merging of Yahweh with El is obvious.
* www.seeker.com/amphtml/gods-wife-edited-out-of-the-bible-almost-1766083399.html *
You can also watch Pagan Origins of Judaism that outlines this as well.
* ua-cam.com/video/ZECezMYug8c/v-deo.html *
Also watch Atheism: A History of God (A) by a former Christian.
* ua-cam.com/video/MlnnWbkMlbg/v-deo.html *
It might just be me, but Eric sending Paul a copy of what he's intending to _sell_ seems very kind and heartwarming. It's not all hostility and apologetics, there can be sharing of materials back and forth too.
Seems like he is just insecure 😕
@@areyoujelton it might also be a way of simply spreading it around, hoping to catch converts through Paul's audience, there's another take.
Can you do a review of the creationist book Alien Intrusion?