Eric Hovind LOST (Trust)
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2021
- Drawing upon his movie, Genesis Paradise Lost, Eric Hovind has a new seven-part group study curriculum called "LOST" In part 2, Eric laments losing trust in the Bible, and the stray from authoritarian acceptance of ideas.
LOST Small Group DVD Series
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I had a similar conversation with my brother.
Him: God created it all
Me: How?
Him: What do you mean How?
Me: How did he create it all?
Him: He's God.
Me: So Bob created it all then.
Him: Who's Bob?
Me: The creator.
Him: What? How did he do it then?
Me: He's Bob.
Him: That doesn't answer the question.
Me: Exactly.
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If we did, in fact, find a way to get video footage of the beginning of time, Creationists would say it's fake just because it doesn't show what they expect.
Cosmic background radiation dates from 400k years after big bang. That's pretty cool (now).
@@mikeharrison1868 I see what you did there ...
So like flat earthers, screaming CGI at every footage
Wait,wait,wait. Did someone who believes in talking donkeys accuse science of colorful explanations? Is it possible to die of irony?
no ,but you may experience an overdose either making your hyper sensitive to it , or near numb
Depends if it’s nuclear grade, which fundamentalists tend to have a monopoly on🤣
I mean, you can die of lead poisoning, so dying of iron poisoning can totally happen. :P
Hyperferraemia. I just made that up but it could be real.
Nvm. It actually is.
@@timothy8428 oh goddamnit haha
The real question is, "Can you trust a kid who was raised by Kent Hovind?"
Seriously. A family of grifters. It’s pathetic and yet seems to be all too common among Christians.
nope, nothing to do with kent, just the fact that eric is demonstrably wrong is why i don't trust him, the fact his father is even more untrustworthy is not exactly relevant
@@ARoll925 In this case though, the father taught the son how to lie. Kent Hovind IS why we cannot trust Eric Hovind.
@@howdoyouknow1218 The Christian religion was built upon the selling of redemption. How many of us remember putting money in the plate? That goes all the way back to the 1st century church.
@@timhallas4275 Yep, they placed heaven behind a paywall. That's the whole game right there.
0:52 “don’t you dare fall asleep on me” lmao it’s hasn’t even been a minute and we are literally being told that Bible study is boring 😂
I just realised that atheist youtubers somehow never get bored of reviewing all of this content, but you guys are doing a great service to the rest of us. All I can say is thank you in light of that.
Rather Eric Hovind is boring??
I had a goal of reading the whole bible, but I would start a reading session, only to wake up an hour later, my head resting on saliva soaked pages. I never made it through.
@@tkat6442 Yeah, people usually get caught at the Tabernacle construction schematics
@@keatsiannightingale2025 And the begats.
What about the admonition to wives? "Don't let HIM fall asleep." Like the only audience he's addressing, is the male half of a hetro/cis married relationship.
I like Faith and Hope but their sister Charity was incredible
Faith became a cynic, Hope suffered from chronic depression, Charity started gambling and Chastity basically lived in a brothel.
For Buffy fans: I've always preferred Faith, but then I like bad girls.
They're all strippers.
Virginia died lonely
I’m a fan of Joy tbh
Aww, bless his heart. Eric tries so hard.
But sadly always fails.
ha
He's very trying
"Bless his heart"!!! 🤣
I love how YECs like to say people "believe in, and have faith in, science." No, no. I have TRUST in testable and repeatable experimentation. I don't take anything or anyone at their word, as if it were an absolute. That's just foolish...but I CAN and WILL look up as much as I can on the given topic and, generally, accept the conclusion that experts have come up with. Wherever the evidence points; that's where I go.
I don't need to have trust in testable and repeatable experimentation. I can perform the experiment myself and observe the results. I do trust that my senses provide the correct information because so far I don't have any reason to believe that they don't (and don't have any choice in the matter).
@@solacedagony1234 a more succinct way of saying it.
I wonder if they would say scientific anti-realists like me have faith in science
You sound like me, and I thought I’m like this because I’m a distrustful Londoner. 🤔
You would want to _tentatively_ accept the conclusion. But other than that, 👍
Sayeth Paulogia,
“Oops, I did it again.”
And Eric, Son of Kent of the Klan Hovind weeps bitter salt tears. How it burns, how it burns...
Lol
...and the masses cheered and lo they cried "More! More! More!"
It was indeed a nice day for a Kent-whipping.
They say the truth can hurt sometimes.
@@FakingANerve Don't you mean kent-whacking?
@@Julian0101 should be Wack a Hovind
I always find it hilarious when apologists say "they say the universe came from nothing" and "they say that life came from a rock" when it's their book that literally says that God spoke the universe into existence, implying there was nothing before, hence it came from nothing, and that man was molded out of clay or dirt and then god breathed life into that dirt statue, literally having human life coming from a rock XD
I know. Doesn’t sound come out of their ignorant face holes and into their own ears???
Yeah but in their case, they have magic, and magic covers their butts. It's still not an explanation, but it's all they have.
@@danflaman7268 benefits of having high Charisma despite low Intelligence
I have to thank you for enlightening me on how the bible was put together. Letting me know that Matthew isn't actually the first book of the NT (I'm actually livid about it), the fact that the gospels went around verbally for decades before it was written. I had no idea. I'm grateful to have abandoned the re-legion, but now, as I find the extent of the deception, I am actually quite angry that I was deceived in such a magnanimous and bombastic way. 💔💔💔
You're definitely not alone in feeling that way.
@john dowe I'm angry at myself, for allowing myself to be so influenced, that I named MY CHILD Matthew, thinking that Matthew was an actual person, who actually interacted with the savior. Wow, I was gullible.
I don't get it. How does if follow that you don't trust the Bible because "Matthew isn't actually the first book of the NT" (which is not a proven fact) and the gospel was first taught orally by Christ and eventually written down lead you to reject Christianity?
Surely you are not going to claim atheism offers any insights into reality are you? Talk about deception.
Bart Ehrman does excellent work on the historical origins of the new testament literature. Very sensible. As an aside, he alao defends the historicity of Jesus against people who get carried away with gnostic-based debunkings. A scholar and a gentleman. Good luck with your journey. I'm 34 years out from my deprogramming, and it still hurts sometimes.
@@Justas399 The gospel was first taught orally by Jesus Christ? Including the parts where Jesus is betrayed, crucified and resurrected? That doesn’t make much sense.
Athiesm isn’t meant to offer insights, just like atoothfairyism, abigfootism and aleprechaunism don’t lead to insight. They’re just correct assessments of what exists.
"Who do you trust?" Not Eric. Not anyone with an imaginary friend. That's kind of the point.
What if I gave you a billion million dollars at an unspecified time and place in the future?
@@Iverath Yeah... no. Hard pass.
@@BitchspotBlog Sounds like you're lacking in trust.
@@Iverath Trust must be earned.
@@TheDevian Okay. Fine. What if I paid you a billion million to trust me?
The check's in the mail already, I swear.
Eric: "Imagine you are a detective"
Me: "False Equivalency fallacy in 3-2..."
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“We neglect to ask what we call the ‘Money Sho...er...Question’. Money Question. Don’t look at my browser history.”
-E.H.
I left that part alone, but ... yeah. yikes.
I caught that one too
"Who should we trust?" isn't a great question? I agree. It should be, "Whom should we trust?" 😏
😂😆
Oof
What's wrong with what should we trust?
@@lovingbeast5045 My dead & pickled Red Legged Tarantula Bertrand.
Because "we" is the subject and "whom" is the object of the sentence.
"The bible is like the security footage!"
I could not stop laughing when he said that. No, sorry buddy, the bible is like someone coming into the store weeks after it was robbed, looking around, and writing down that they know exactly how and when the store was robbed, and it was 'robbed by a squad of ghosts, based on stories my father told me about store-robbing ghosts'. Security footage my rear...
I literally did a spit take when Eric compared the Bible to video footage. Holy shit that was bad. It would be more like a dramatic recreation by people whoe were not event at the crime sceen to begin with.
It’s actually not that far off, if you imagine a random video being sent to the detective in charge of the case. We don’t know where it came from, we don’t know if it shows events that actually happened, we don’t know who’s in the video. Without outside verification, a video’s just a film that could easily be the same place on a different day, a staged event (as in your example), or a different location entirely.
My point is that your spit take was justified even if we take Eric’s example at face value.
Well, it is more like a completely fictional story which happens to feature a murder. And wizards and shit...
Oh, wait, that's what it is...
Motto of The Royal Society': *'Nullius in verba'* - "take nobody's word for it"
An expression to withstand the domination of authority and to verify all statements by an appeal to facts determined by experiment
It's brilliant! I'll have to google it and maybe put on a sticky note on my work station as well. Thanks.
I'll give Eric one thing..........I really like the look of the backdrop he's using. Very nice looking. :-)
Makes you wonder where he stole it from. Or which otherwise talented church-goer victim he exploited to get it made.
right?!?
I'd trust Hovind and most apologists to lie.
Your intro... "I Did!" made me LOL! perfect breakfast show thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm tipsy and extremely excited.
Edit: I just LOVED how you used the term 'faith' against them. They go on and on about faith in a negative way when it concerns evolution, but when it comes their God its something to be honoured. Give me a break.
cheers!
It's just an example of their dishonesty.
The bible is like a security tape of creation...
More like a loose collection of Jojo references of Jewish history.
Friendly reminder that isolating yourself from others to protect people is, in fact, a jojo reference (picture of jotaro refusing to leave jail)
Eric's video helped me do a #2 on the toilet.
🤷♂️ ok
Solid video, Paul. I feel like this one deals so well with some of the basics of these conversations it should be included in some “must watch” videos on your channel. Heck, I’d say a lot of people should start with this one. Clear and concise on a bunch of points (faith/trust, trusting science vs people, genetic fallacies, dealing with a scientist vs their ideas, etc). Bravo on this one 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you, Andy. High praise.
As always, thank you for your work and ability to break this down. It is much appreciated.
That chair analogy is terrible. I have a general belief that the chair will hold me based on previous interactions with similar (or the same) object--testable and falsifiable evidence. I have no previous interactions on which to base anything relating to the supernatural. Those are two entirely separate propositions.
And the first time you sit in a chair that collapses, you will thoroughly investigate and test all future chairs for days, if not weeks, before your trust in previously expected results, quite the opposite of faith.
Exactly, that’s why is fair to say we don’t have “faith” that the chair will hold us. Besides, I can do a quick check with my hands, observe if it wobbles or just see if it looks right compared to what we know a chair is.
Thanks for the video :)
Christian refer to the bible for everything under the sun. This one is pretty clear, with the definition being given in Hebrews 11:1. That coupled with the doubting Thomas story shows that belief without evidence is encouraged.
Me at 15:43 : "Oh no, he's not really going to say the bible is like security footage, is he?"
Me at 16:35 : "FFS, he is! He really is going to say the bible is like security footage"
Me at 17:08 : -_-
yeah. sigh.
He just said faith is the noun form and trust is the verb form, but trust also comes in the form of trusting. I guess we could start saying "faithing" 😅
I trust you 😂😂
@@Joemamahahahaha821 I'm faithing that you do 🙏🏻
@@user-fj6kk1vo8n I'm faithing that you never use the word faithing again
"How" questions apply to any and all process we can witness or think of. So it is automatically the best starting point. If a "who" is involved, the "how" quest will uncover it. If it is discovered that a "who" is involved, then we can ask the "why" question. So, science is correct is always starting with a "how" query.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing" (Vader) :)
Lol
Always a great day when Paul posts 😊
Another excellent video.
Thanks again!
Eric might be a decent chap, but his hopped-up quasi-informed used-god salesman schtick is so grating and oblivious, I can’t take him any more seriously than Ray Comfort, and that guy’s basically a rodeo clown for Yahweh.
Don’t insult rodeo clowns.
@@jancerny8109 yeah I realise they’re actually important in rodeos, but Eric’s hyuk-hyuk theology is like a big bouncy distraction for his flock while the reality of the situation slips away like a bucked cowboy
LOL ‘used-god salesman’
I love to know that you getting in all these apologist heads! Makes me happy!
I'm watching, but from the thumbnail I'm reminded of a Dr Peter Boghossian talk a few years back distinguishing faith from hope. It might be useful tangential resource.
In my understanding, trust is the spectrum where faith and knowledge are the opposite ends. The more you trust without evidence, the more faith you have. The more you trust with evidence, the more knowledge you have.
Wisdom would be the ability to recognize where you stand on that spectrum on any given subject.
😂😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂☠
That intro KILLED me. I laughed so hard. I halfway expected the thug life shades to float down onto your avatar's face.
Sweet new opener btw.
Confirmation Bias. Can y’all say that with me? Confirmation Bias. Here is a wild idea; let’s use the expert consensus as our starting point. Preach, brother Paul!
Behold! I am holding the manual to a video recorder! This means that camera footage exists~!
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I love you Paul, platonically of course. This video was brilliant
Erics analysis with the robbery can be turned around, in my opinion. Because his methodology is more like ignoring the footprint and the broken glass and other physical evidence, because he has a written statement from guy he trusts, which doesn't line up with said evidence.
yup
PAUL just letting you know I didn't previously have the bell on and I'm still only 2 hours late. This was a problem for some youtubers I remember so I wanted to let you know how youtube sees your content as right for me at least which is true
3:50 It's perfectly fine to have issues with a scientific expert, but the thing is -- if you are trying to demonstrate that they are wrong then you *must* be able to show this within the context of their scientific field, within a research paper.
I love love LOVE the fact that instead of stooping to slander and lies like so many lying slanderous manipulative devious apologists, Paul just calmly undoes a couple of screws, takes the faceplate off and shows what's there. "So if I just move this cover out the way for a better view... Oh, we can see that there's nothing in here at all. Just a brightly coloured empty box."
ah aron my boooiiii, that was a nice comeback even if only for a second - is any collab planned? Thanks for great content guys!
I thought you were imitating an owl, whoo lol
Learned something, Genetic falacy. Thanks
1:40 THANK YOU !
😂😂 pickled bananas on their pizza 😂😂
I’m dying!!
Keeping religion relevant ensures income, …
atheism is irrelevant to anything
@@Justas399
Indeed. Only reality - or, as some people would say 'truth' - is.
Exactly, how can we verify if what is being said is true. I start off with looking for contradictions as that is the easiest way for me to find faults.
Good stuff on faith at the beginning. I think it is a bit more subtle than that though I havent formulated it.
Great use of the Batman clip Paul
I love how you used Eric's own wards to debunk his claim about faith lol.
heh. thanks.
We may disagree over justifiability of pineapple on pizza, but we must unite against the objective evil that is the sin of pickled bananas!
We can't waste ammo on them, we must continue to fight disinformation
Why don't people like pineapples on pizza? It tastes so good, when it is nice and warm. Pineapples on honey baked ham, it is even better.
@@tfive24 I think it comes down to the difficulty of preparing pineapple (fruit in general) integrated in a meal in such a way that it doesn't turn out just mushy and meh, which isn't super appealing to many people. Especially when it's frozen pizza or canned fruit.
I like to define faith as an ability. It's an ability to use bad evidence (or sometimes no evidence) as though it is actually good evidence.
One time, I had faith in a chair and then trustingly sat in it. It broke and I crashed to the floor. I hit my head so hard that I think I was unconscious for a few seconds. When I came to, I became an atheist.
The only visual evidence somewhat from the beginning of the universe should be the cosmic background radiation. And I am pretty sure it is not in alignment with genesis.
We should trust the Wise Old Owl who endlessly asks, "Whooo, whooo?" and when he starts saying "Baal, Baal!", then we should start preparing our golden bull and figure out whooo to sacrifice.
Trust + Faith = Dope
I like the 'God let the dogs out' ! 😂🤣🐶🐶
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Who should we trust, good question Eric.🤔 It sure isn't a Hovind 🤡🤡🤭
As the years go by, I am more and more baffled that ANY thinking human being would think that a guy like Eric Hovind's arguments are sound and his beliefs are totally justified from a scholarly and rational perspective`
In a sense, we do have video footage of the creation of the universe, or at least of the early universe. That is what the various telescopes produce when they look at the distant universe and thus the distant past.
Eric can't deliver on his wild claim that he has an invisible friend.
Not really a friend, more like an invisible leather daddy.
Plants and animals both use the same DNA coding scheme. That shows they are related.
bUt tHeReS nO eViDeNcE!!!11😡😤
😂😂😂
I always liked Matt Dillahunty's view on faith which is, faith is the last resort excuse people use to justify their belief in something when they have no good reasons, because if they had good reasons they wouldn't need faith to fall back on.
14:33 is comedy-gold. :D
This week; watch Eric recycle his old material! 😉
Pls collab with Captaindadpool86 my man!
I plugged him in my TikTok video
"The verb form 'trusting'" that's not a verb, that's a noun, specifically a gerund.
Knowing the difference between faith and truth is all about context. Faith is defined yes but cultural uses matter too. Knowledge is power.
1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians”
2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"
*Eric Hovind is not being honest.*
*_I don't sit in a chair because I have faith!_*
I sit in a chair because I have experience sitting in chairs. *(EVIDENCE)* I have seen other people sit in chairs and this does not require faith! We have *Knowledge, Experience, and Evidence* that chairs are designed to hold a person's weight, and therefore, designed to be sat in. Does not require Faith!
You can't do science without faith nor can you believe its claims and theories without faith.
@@Justas399 I guess if you haven’t done an experiment before
@@Joemamahahahaha821 Do you assume that the experiment you do applies to all of reality at all times? Do you assume that the laws of nature are the same throughout the universe at all times? There is no way to prove this but must be believed by faith.
@@Justas399 There is no model presented that the laws and theories of science changes in other parts of the universe. Believing so is as stupid as flat earth. I guess you are a -flat earther- young earth creationist.
@@Justas399
*You don't know what you're talking about!*
Faith is the excuse people give when they don't have a good reason to support what they believe. That is why Religion has apologists who try to cherrypick their way through the unfalsifiable Bible.
*I don't fly on an aircraft because I have faith!*
1. I fly on an aircraft because I know they are relatively safe based on statistics (Evidence).
2. I am aware pilots have a lot of experience and are capable of flying the plane based on the Evidence.
3. I have "Trust" in the pilot's ability and not faith because I know they trained to become proficient in flying, based on the Evidence.
*Faith plays no part in my life!*
I want five minutes alone with the person who clicked the dislike button
When you are unsure of which toilet paper is better, you don't need to consult Consumer Reports. You can just guess. When choosing a car, you need to consult CR. When you choose a house, you should always consult a highly trained building inspector. When it comes to unknowns in cosmology, you can only consult logic.
When Eric talks about "the money question", what he really means is "how can I exploit this for financial gain? Oh, I know, I'll just tart my old material up and sell it to morons again"
Watching in Fort Mac. Love your videos Paul. Thanks for everything buddy.
Thanks for watching!
To be fair to Einstein he did consult the cosmologists of the time before he assumed a static universe. Hubble's discoveries came later. He "trusted" what they told him and they were wrong !
I would like to see a video about some guy called whatdoyoumeme, who particularly likes to "answer" atheists and leave totally unchallenged, being left in a position of being right and on point, thanks man!
You know, more and more I appreciate something that stuck with me as a child. I had a fourth grade teacher (Age 10 for those outside the US), who told me: "The important thing isn't to know, the important thing is to be able to find out".
It's easy to just "know" something that has been relayed to you. But you only really understand it when you find it yourself. Applies to a lot of things of course. But with topics like this I find myself thinking of religion in this regard. Particularly when one touts about how their religion has choice. That someone is supposed to make a choice at a certain age to really embrace it. After a lifetime of being raised among it. Telling them that it is the right thing. That they need to do it. Do they "know" that it is right? Or did they find out that this was the right answer for them?
Granted more on point to Hovind's content... I always find the framing of Science vs Religion to be a very odd fight for a religious apologist to pick. I'm not going to say it's a poor fight necessarily. Because it does work for them. Just an odd fight.
Because when you frame up Science and Religion head to head you're kind of splitting the audience that I see it. Science has a lot to offer. Very concrete, mechanical things. Exploration of space. Understanding of the world. The mechanics of all we know and experience, etc, etc, etc. While Religion talks to an entirely different mindset. It's based almost entirely in identity and emotion as I see it. The sense of community, of belonging, the idea of eternal justice in an unfair at times world, of rewards for the meek upon Earth.
So by picking that fight you're more or less splitting the audience. Those who value the mundane, the simple facts of the world, and gain strength from that understanding and appreciate it will never be swayed by framing things up as Science vs Religion. And those who care about the latter mindset are already in your court.
In this sense I have more respect for those who don't try to argue Science vs Religion. Because they're not just trying to reinforce the choice of the believers already. They are at least, theoretically, attempting to say "There are benefits to religious belief even while living in a scientific world".
Hahaha the "video tape" is hilarious
If it weren't so sad.
personally I like using faith/belief for things were I don't have enough evidence to say it is it true or not. Faith is the embodiment of "here's a story"
When I read last part of your comment, the Brady Bunch song started to play in my head.
A chair can at least be seen and interacted with directly. Sitting in a chair can be replicated over and over independently by most people. The chair experience is best viewed and heard in a Conchairto.
Where/ who do you put your faith in seems like a broad question. I had bilateral detached retina almost a year ago and I put my faith and trust in my opthalmologist. If my car is not working I put my faith and trust in my mechanic. If I need to know what is right or wrong I put my faith trust into me.
Looks like "CSI: Eric Hovind" won't be syndicated anytime soon, Paul.
9:16 I'm picturing all the kids who don't know the song 'Who Let The Dogs Out' scratching their heads like, "what is up with these clips?" 😂😂😂
😂
Welcome to "Whoville"😎
7:58 Moms say yes. To avoid it, make sure under your bed is cleaned properly as said monster dislike it when it is clean.
Works wonders on small children.
Oohhh 5:45 schooling Eric on his own use of the word faith. That's gotta sting. =D
I use faith vs confidence rather than trust.
My trust in experts without further research is inversely proportional how much the subject effects my life.
Trust means putting yourself in a position where somebody, or something, can do you harm. You trust the babysitter not to drink your booze, throw a wild party, and end up burning your house down. Your trust may be misplaced...
No Mercy!
And Paul insinuates he doesn't engage in confirmation bias? That is hilarious. 😆😆😆
I put my faith in truths that are based on valid perspectives and as many as possible.
I know there was a group called The Who, they created musicy stuff
9:20 : no it's not begging the question (that fallacy is part of circular reasonning), but it is a fallacy. The loaded question fallacy to be specific. It's done when you ask a question that, in order to be answered, requires unfounded assertions to be granted. Another example of the loaded question would be "who is the king of France?", as France isn't a monarchy thus has no king.