How To Fill Propane Tanks (Prepare for Global Food Crisis Famine 2022)
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That's a knock-off of a much more expensive system. Part of that system is a tank that's designed to be refilled as opposed to the disposable tanks you are using. The original system had a way to fill it up to roughly the original capacity.
I watched a guy use a Allen key in the valve to purge it to get the air out so he could get it totally full.
You can purge the air from the green bottle with it upright like you would a tire by depressing the plunger in the middle of the main fitting. You can also pull the center of the Schrader valve with hemostats or needle nose pliers. Once the air is purged you can out the bottle back on and fill completely.
I’ve been praying about all this end time stuff, asking our Father what else we need. I think we’re good here.
Cody, use a pair of hemostats and pull out on that little Schrader valve while you are filling. you will get them full that way. That's how I refill them and I've never weighed the 1 LB bottle afterwards but I believe you can fit more than 1 LB in them.
You have to PULL on the Schrader Valve. To bleed off the air space on top.... I've refilled many of them to over a pound. Don't recommend overfilling as they may not be designed to hold over 1#. Love your content.
Pull the Schrader valve, or push the filler valve in the center with an Allen key to purge.
Thank you!
Thank you
Can't believe this isn't pinned, loved, and thumbed by everyone. Very good, sir. Thank you.
You can use your fancy filler tool to evacuate the air from the small tank
Warning: 20 lbs tank may sometimes contain welding spatter debris inside at the bottom - some lazy workers don't remove these debris before installing the tank valve. When you put the tank upside down, these debris may clog the tank valve or worst, a tiny metal spec may travel and block the valve of the 1lb bottle - the bottle will spray all propane when it's disconnected from 20 lbs tank. Tilt the 20 lbs tank to 45 degrees and listen inside for the spatter sliding at the bottom of the tank - it sounds like sand sliding inside. If you hear this, I suggest not using that particular tank to refill 1 lb bottles.
I have some 1# cans i had to throw away for that reason. The valve wouldn't seal and it leaked.
At very least, incline the 20lbs tank *very slowly* until upside down. If the 1lb can keeps hissing after being refilled and disconnected, *be outdoor* and use something like half a piece of wooden q-tip and quickly press down and release on the top refill valve - it will vent some gas and hopefully this will unclog the debris on the valve - but it can also block the valve even worst - repeat if needed
A 20lb. Tank weighs 44lbs when full....
Thank you for the warning ⚠️
seriously with your one off comments from dumbfk town
Your humility when you learn something new is respectful. I truly realize you have the option to not share those shortcomings with us.
Much respect sir.
You CAN use that schrader valve and evacuate the extra air in the tank WHILE your filling it. I’ve refilled about 25 of them last winter with my amazon purchase refill kit for 1 lb tanks. BUT be sure to ONLY fill them to 80 % to allow for expansion. I weighed mine before and after as well and it WORKED. I now have ALL of my 1lb tanks filled in my shop, ready to go hunting with my buddy heater once again!
Good advice on the room for expansion.
So fill them to 0.8lb; or is the 1lb 80% of the volume?
@@uselessengineer yep, that’s what I’d do.
I learned the same exact. I use dynaglow only cause it was cheaper 60$ for the unit
I filled several tanks and they went empty after awhile. Now if I fill any, they go onto what ever I'm using right away.
LP is meant to be used in its gaseous state. LP weighs @ 4 lbs. per gal. and boils (turns to a gas at @ -44 deg F. LP usage cylinders like these and the bigger ones you may have for your grill, RV, home, etc. are designed to only release the gas under their own pressure. Modifying these cylinders by inverting them or adding a tube to the valve which extends to the lower portion of the tank will allow you to access the LP (I installed a liquid tube and valve in my 300 gal home tank for refilling my cylinders). I used to haul LP, inspect cylinders and refill cylinders as a job which required a license to do so, so I have a little knowledge and background with this topic.
Cheaper, simpler transfer tools can be built and bought. A scale is handy but these tanks will typically not overfill due to the tanks equalizing pressure. That is if they are starting out at the same temperature. If you cool the receiving tank it will have a lower internal pressure allowing for greater liquid volume but beware of overfilling. LP tanks are only filled to 80% capacity to provide a margin of pressure safety as the liquid expands and contracts with changing liquid temperatures.
Be careful. These 1 lb tanks are made of light material and could fail with repeated use and especially if overfilled. These little tanks are not intended for reuse and have no certifiable inspection like your larger cylinders and tanks require. Refilling these single cylinders is actually illegal because of this. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just giving facts. The little Schrader valve on the top of the cylinder is an over pressure release device. You can vent pressure created when filling using this device but that is not its design. It is only designed to release outward so pressing in on it with a small tool can damage the valve rendering the tank useless. Now you know.
Be safe and smart Professional Homeowners!
I agree with everything here except the end - I'm not certain but I believe it is legal to fill for personal use, though it is probably illegal to transport or sell.
i think its a grey zone that just needs some common sense and a little knowledge like what is shared here its certainly lest wastefull and mayber cost saving when done in an efficeint manar lets say lol
My dad refilled these many decades ago when he was in his camper boondocking and hours from town and back and then it became a habit for him because of the savings. I thought it not worth the trouble for so little savings but a few year ago I started refilling mine , I go through lots of 1 lb bottles in a year even though I have everything I can hooked to large tanks . Right now in my neck of the woods , 1lb propane bottles will cost from 7 to 9 dollars a bottle , I have all my large tanks filled 20 lb to 100 lb one single 20 lb tank only cost 16 bucks to have filled .......do the math, that 80 cents a bottle. After several years with common sense and saftey applied......I can fill my one pounders full and if you have abilities and common sense you can to. Swapping tanks cost more , own your 20 lb tanks and have them filled where they have propane filling station. Mark your one pounders with a marker each refill , I was trashing them alround 10 to 15 refills after stopping at camp grounds in my area and collecting bottles thats been trashed after just one use and look brand new, now I have settled on 20 unless something about the bottle dosent look right. You don't need to be a electrician to replace a light fixture , you don't have to be a auto mechanic to change your breaks and you don't even have to be a roofing contractor to roof your house but it will require abilities and common sense......if you are not going to use or be in need of more than a half dozen 1lb bottles of propane in a year, go find another project for your got to list , it might be a penny wise and a lb foolish !
My LP supplier installed a filler on one of my propane tanks so I could fill my portable tanks. I’ve thought about getting one of these things to fill one pounders. The information regarding the pressure relief valve is very useful to me. Thanks
They manufacture refillable ventable pound cylinders now
Like many others have said, throw those canisters in the deep freezer and then fill them up after they've sat in there for a day or two. I've filled mine up over a pound in about a minute easily with that method. Just wish my refiller had that handy nozzle instead of having to open and close the main valve on the bigger tank.
Just like a nitrous oxide bottle. The colder the bottle the more it will take.
@@kenleppek Same as true of women with low body temperatures.
This is because the colder propane is the lower the pressure is. R-134a for your cars AC is the same like how you could heat up the bottle of 134a with warm water to get all of the refrigerant out of can and into the system
@@james6794 never new about heating a can of r134a. It make sense though considering that your system pressure fluctuates with ambient temperature. On a side note propane makes an excellent refrigerant.
@@james6794 yup we used to use that trick while filling our ice makers with hundreds of pounds of freon with 125 lb. cylinders to get all we could out of them after R-22 started getting expensive.
The key is to make sure you don’t overfill. A cylinder that is completely liquid filled can leak or even split due to thermal expansion when temperature rises. Using the scale is smart. Also, of course, inspect to be sure cylinder isn’t damaged or corroded.
Only need to fill to 90٪ capacity
@@jfhdylvr agreed. Guess you could shake it when filled to make sure there’s about as much vapor space as a new one if you can’t weigh it.
As a gas fitter in Australia we work to the 80 percent safe fill level (SFL) to allow for thermal expansion. Also LPG stands for Liquid Petroleum Gas in order for a liquid to turn to a gas it must first boil hence why the cylinder gets cold when you draw from it it’s boiling and turning from liquid to a gas. If you invert the charge gas bottle it helps with this as liquid will be up top gas down bottom of bottle for draw off.
You can not over fill it. It’s impossible. I was all worried about that but upon researching it, don’t worry. It’s impossible to over fill it.
Hey brother, here's how ya do it. (I've been filling these with that for almost 3 years now)
1.Get some needle nose pliers (those Schrader valves pull to release)
2. Pull out on the Schrader valve the whole time you're filling, up until it starts spewing out liquid almost steadily.
3. Stop right then with the filling and the purging.
4. Check by sound and smell for leaking main and purge valves. If no leak, ya good!
If it is leaking, I've always found that just messing with it, opening it and letting it slam shut works.
My wife and I have lived off grid for these years, and cook exclusively by propane. Filled these hundreds of times now. This is what I have learned. Be blessed brother.
Those wide bottles are nice for the torch because they are more stable when you put them down. For some things it's worth the lower BTU output for the convenience.
A little cheaper to aren’t they
The btu output is different between the small blue propane and the 1lb green propane? How much different?
@@johnsmith-jk9ol No, different between yellow map gas and propane.
I have the Flame King refillable cylinders. They have both 14 and 16 oz versions. They have a purge set screw to allow the tank to fill all the way. If you use them enough you can recoup the cost.
God bless.
Plus they are safe and legal.
Big tank needs to be warmer than the small tank.
Schrader valve pulls out.
Can’t really go wrong around a pound. If it expands too much, the valve releases the gas. Spray the valves down with soapy water and if the schrader valve bubbles, put it in the sunlight outside and test for leaks again in a little while. If the main valve leaks, put an implement on it.
Place the "Empty" 1 LB tank in the freezer for a period of time. I left them for an hour or more. Then do as you did and you should get 1 LB of propane. I've been doing it for years, after filling check with leak fluid or soapy water for leaks . If they leaked I would screw them onto something with a shut off and chuck that tank after it was empty. I be able to refill tanks 3 - 5 times before they started to "leak" so as you say "Act accordingly"
I have been doing that for 50 years, Built my own with two fittings and a length of hydraulic hose. You can fill them up to capacity. You can buy brass screw on caps to fit those cylinders.
You can freeze the tanks and get more into the tank per fill.
Also bleed some gas (air propane) from the tank and keep filling. You can get them 100% full
Only need to fill to 90% due to potential thermal expansion
@@jfhdylvr unless u can maintain the cold temperatures I wouldn't fill it like u say 85 90% those fires r nasty when the tank pops.
Yeah....kaboom!
Sounds dangerous.
100% filled will put liquid propane into your appliances that require vapor propane. Liquid is 270x more dense than vapor. This is incredibly unsafe.
Hey my brother...love your channel...i already started stocking and prepping up since 2019....Here in California...Weve already converted our above ground pool as a Fresh water source....i made homemade water filter out of 2 ltr soda bottles with activated charcoal...we have tons of Purifying tablets...canned goods...tons of beans, rice, flour, powdered milk for 2 years...Started growing our own fruits and vegetables since 2019....
We have 8 large propane tanks...( overfilled )...and 10 of those 1lb tanks ( overfilled also )...We stocked up alot also on Antibiotics....medicine, vitamins, epipens, albuterol even Trauma kits....
I was with the U.S Forest service with Crew 77 Type 2 Roadrunners from 2008 - 2012...
God bless you and your family brother...Always in my prayers...
I have been camping for 25 days short of a year. Most our stoves and heaters take the 1lb bottles. We run adapters for 20lb tanks, but we keep a few 1lbers for back up and touches. To refill more just press the center of the main opening down and let the gassiated propane escape to make room for more liquid. You'll know you got it when liquid is coming out. Just top it off after that.
The freezer method works, I've also filled past a pound by accident, works best when your 20lb tank is over half full and warm, and the 1lb tanks sit in the freezer, but they don't need to sit in the freezer for much more than 10 or 15 minutes. Every spring when I get all my 20lb grill tanks filled I fill my 1lb tanks and use about 25% of my 20lb tanks, leaving me with a bunch of 3/4 full 20lb tanks..... Very worth it! I have the same device. I also fill 1lb tanks for friends and family, it becomes very easy once you get the system down. Put your 20lb tanks in the sun and your 1lb tanks in the freezer and it'll work like a dream upside down!
Good saying, thanks.
Cool,
You can bleed off some pressure by unscrewing the transfer valve off the supply tank, and leave transfer valve on the one pound, use it to bleed off the pressure. A scale is neccessary, without it you'll over fill.
If you over fill, you can bleed off the excess by using the transfer valve.
There’s a set up from a company called flame king. They make refillable bottles that are better at taking a full refill. But most of us have tons of these coleman ones rolling around. Also the reason you can’t refill from an upright position is because propane in the tank is in liquid form so I will settled to the bottom of the tank. Thanks and God bless.
Manchester makes the good ones. Expensive but high quality.
@@poellot good to know. I’ll look them up. Thanks.
I'm not sure Flame King still makes the refillable bottles nor the refill kit they used to sell.
@@kingposeidon9362 that would be a shame. It’s a good set up. They were available on Amazon and at sportsman’s warehouse in the past.
@@kingposeidon9362 They still make them as does another company. Much safer.
Been filling mine this was for years.
Wear gloves, that propane is very cold
Wear eye protection
Don't get distracted
Use a digital scale
The colder the small bottle the faster the refill
Don't use the cheaper Chinese adapter it goes bad real fast. Fork out the money for the better adapter.
Squint like Clint Eastwood during the process and nobody will meass with you.
Have fun and be safe.
Thank you Mr. Cody for supplying the classroom.
FYI after the normal upside down filling, you can further filled the 1 canister up to its maximum 1 pound. Next to your canister nozzle there is a gas escape valve and slowly with a tweezer pulled up the small knob and you will hear a hissing sound as air will be released from there . Then continue filling, after repeating the process about 4 to 5 times your gas canister will filled up fully. Thank you.
Better than freezing, release the pressure buildup by unscrewing the tank and using a screwdriver or needle nose pliers, press the center pin (NOT the Schrader valve) re-attach and fill to 90%~ no freezing necessary!
I just use the 20 pound tank with a regulator on all my propane appliances. Coleman sells a “tree” that has several hookups for your heaters, stoves, lanterns or whatever else so you can use them all at once.
True but then they are all anchored to one tank in one place and you may want to bring your lantern or heater to another area away from you cook stove... you may also not want your cook stove that close to your 20lb tank incase of a leak
that tree is too short
There are mini heater buddies that can't be attached to alternative hoses in place of a one pounder. And in a small camper space, anything bigger is too much. Especially with pets involved.
Chuck em in the freezer before filling and you will be able to put a bunch more propane in them. Love your videos, keep it up.
Better leave it in there or it will offgas most of it when it warms back up.
I find it better to pull on the pressure release valve on the small bottle during refilling.
It vents the bottle's interior air and the fluid starts flowing more. Do venting outside, away from flame.
Refills faster, I find. I filled thirty bottles that way.
You can get more fluid in too: the propane goes as high as the valve.
I use second-hand locking surgical clamps because of its fine jaws.
Also, afterwards I spray soapy water on the top screw and the release valve to check for leaks.
These tanks are so small how much more is a bunch more? For me, economy of time makes this a no go. PLUS, I'd rather fill the freezer space.
Looks like it was, canister was frosty the second shot.
If you wrap the large tank in an electric blanket or a heating pad it will also raise the bottle pressure to help filling the smaller frozen tanks
Same way we fill nitrous bottles
Also you have to pull out on the Schrader valve to help purge the air
Use some stats to “pull” the schrader valve plunger out to allow it to vent till it’s full
FREEZE THE LITTLE GREEN TANK (in your freezer, for 15/20 minutes), turn the big tank upside down, attach cold bottle, fill & shake the assembly - wait until you hear a second "boil off/bubble off" shake again, keeping assembly upside down - wait another minute, close the valve, turn back upright - remove bottle - Just filled 3 1lb bottles that way and they are ~100% full...
You need to purge the oxygen that has gotten into the bottle built at the top when you fill the tanks. Use a Allen wrench and push 2 or 3 times the spring valve in the neck then fill further. The valve on the shoulder is a pressure release so you need to pull it, but I don't mess with those since pliers muck up the valve stem and prefer not to mess with the fail safe.
How on earth can oxygen get into a pressurised tank...??😑🙄😒
@@warriorson7979 theres a little bit of air in this device when you connect it to you bir propane tank. not much tho, i dont think it make a difference
Only way to purge a propane tank is with vapor propane since vapor propane is heavier than air.
@@warriorson7979He should have said "purge the gas" rather than oxygen. But anyway, the gas takes up space that won't allow more liquid in. That's why he was only filling the bottle half way. You bleed off some of the gas to make more room for liquid propane.
When I refill my tanks I use a multi step process to get them to a full pound.
The problem is adding liquid to a tank that is already full of gas.
I fill the tank until it stops, that usually gets me to about half, then I use a long handle hex wrench and bleed off some of the gas, then put the bottle back on the refill.
It can take 2 or 3 times to get it full, but I have more patience than money so I don't mind the time.
I don't like messing with that Schrader on the side, first of all it's a pressure relief valve so it works in reverse, pull it to activate. Second, I've had to throw away a couple bottles because the side valve started leaking after I was messing with them.
Surprisingly as an East Coast guy, I DID know that those little bottles work as a torch; Keep up the great vids and glad to see the leg is mending.
Haha I knew by the time I was old enough to light one of those torches that they work on MAP gas and propane tanks lol. I was in CO then tho, back in Pa now.
I just tried this out myself and if you set the refilled tanks upright on a table for a minute, purge the valve(by quickly pressing the center pin in the threaded connector with an allen key) a few times and then re-refill the tanks you can actually get over 16oz propane (empty tank weight about 13oz) fairly easily.
I've heard having a temperature gradient is supposed to improve this process, where the receiving tank should be cooler than the source tank. Warmer means it'll expand & theoretically push more into the receiving tank. I'd like to see you revisit the issue & try this again.
Yes, you are the only person in the world that didn't know that. :) Try the fill test again. Pre chill the bottle in the freezer. After a few minutes disconnect, push the valve on top of the small bottle to bleed off air and displace it. Continue to fill. You will get the whole pound of gas. Don't mess with the valve on the side. Thats the pressure release safety valve. Screw that up and everything goes boom!
I knew that you can put the torch nozzle on the small propane cans. I just like the heat i get with the MAP gas bottles. You can also use either map or propane as a cutting torch instead of acetylene. They are safer then acetylene and has a cleaner cut in when I used to do metal work. It only requires a different nozzle/ tip for the different gas to convert over.
Try putting the tank in the freezer prior to filling + purge the air space.
I like the little 5 pounder bulk cylinder. Best of both worlds. 4 "green" bottles worth, costs ~5 bucks to fill, less than the cost of one green bottle.
I get mine completely full by pulling on the schrader valve and not even freezing the tank. Works like a dream. Small needle nose works the best.
This is why I still love UA-cam.
I’ve always used the camping propane tanks on my blow torch. I like that it’s got a wider base and sits upright easier and don’t tip over like the skinny torch tanks
Another tip to keep from overfilling these small tanks is to lay these tanks horizontal and clock the tanks at 10 or two so when the tank is full you get liquid propane out
nice idea!
Only way to insure you don't overfill a tank is by using a scale. Timing does nothing.
I've been refilling 1# bottles for about 30 years using a 20# bottle. I put the empty in the freezer for about 15 minutes, Turn the 20# upside down, attach the empty to the adapter and open the valve. When you can't hear any more transfer, it's full. The little needle valve is where it's filled at the factory. Don't mess with it. Sometimes the main connection valve doesn't seal all the way (you'll either hear the leak or smell it). Therefore, either keep an appliance connected or buy the brass screw-on caps (Amazon) that will seal the bottle until ready to use (keep up with that little brass cap).
I just started refilling these about four months ago and I've saved a good amount over the cost of the set up on the first round of refills.
PLUS, 10 thumbs up for alerting me that you can use propane on the Benzene torch.
Hey Cody, you need to add nut drivers to your tool box, for hose clamps,...the only way to stay on the clamp. 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 7/16.
I have one and I have been able to get mine over 90% full by putting the small canister in the freezer for awhile and meanwhile heating up the big tank. I have found it works best in the summer when I can leave the big tank out in the hot sun for a few hours while the little one cools off in the freezer. Maximizing the temperature difference is critical to getting the best transfer.
Most definitely the temp difference is crucial
Yeah the temp thing is the key to it all. Also purging the tank first.
I bought a 5lb refillable propane tank and an adapter hose for camping. Much better and far less waste. FYI I also heard you have to freeze your green tanks and they take more propane.
My dad taught this to me last winter! Thanks for the refresher- I took notes but it’s nice to see it demonstrated again
Yes you're definitely the only person that didn't know that in the world my grandfather showed me it we've been using in our tractor trailer shop for probably 40 years
Pull up on the Schrader valve to purge the pressure while filling. You can fill a tank 100% in 30 seconds. Best to do outside obviously. My grandfather would leave the bottle connected overnight and they will fill up all the way too.
This!
100% truth
Yes that is the part he was missing.
You shouldn’t mess with that Schrader valve. You are only opening it up to the possibility of leakage. Just purge it through the top with an Allen wrench. Look it up, seriously, messing with that valve has a potential to cause it to leak.
@@SVMSICE Well I wouldn't mess with it if I where you.
O2 and SCBA refilling uses a cascade system- a low pressure tank for initial fill, and a second, high pressure tank to top off.
Fill with the “filler” tank upside down so that fluid is directed into the refill. If the filler tank is upright, you are only pushing vapor into the refill.
Don't they have a siphon tube that feeds off the bottom of the tank
@@AK_Ray
I haven’t pulled one apart. Vapor won’t re-condense easily. That is why you get so little when the filler tank is upright even if it is full. One can only assume that turning it upside down causes liquid to be transferred.
@@AK_Ray no, standard tanks don’t have dip tubes.
@@Pugjamin learn something new every day, thank you!
@@AK_Ray (unless it’s a forklift truck tank)
If you use a 20lb on your buddy heater, or reill the little ones, be sure to use the buddy heater filter in-between the gas and your heater. It will save the heater from clogging.
Cody, I would think that it definently worked well especially for only $20. The issue about those 1lb tanks is availability. During the planned demic they have been very hard or scarce to come by. So even one filled to 60% is more useful than an empty one.
YES DEFINITELY WORTH IT.
Refilling frozen canister render over 1lb. They are handy especially in buddy heaters..this winter, it will cost me 1500 a month for heating oil IF it stays at 5.89 for diesel. Any more and it will cost more than my mortgage (2098$)
I was the complete opposite on that last bit Cody, I had no idea they made the slim cylindrical bottles of propane/map gas. I enjoy seeing people educating themselves! Thank you for sharing with others sir
My map head must be different. If I connect a green bottle it will not stop leaking. It is fine with the narrow blue or yellow bottles.
My world was rocked today too! I knew something that Wranglerstar didn't. I prefer this green bottles for soldering. Much less likely to tip over when setting it down.
Glad I survived that 2022 "food crisis" 😂
I appreciate your attitude. You are man enough to admit when you're wrong. My father taught me at a very age . It's nice to be right. But it takes a big man with character self assured in him self to admit to being wrong . And you prove to me you are of good character. BTW I did the same experiment you did. I was ignorant and didn't know. But i found out for myself . In one must invert the tank in order to fill the small ones. And no I never gave it a thought that you can use a 1lb propane bottle on a hand torch. So you taught this old man something. Thank You.
You are a true professional homeowner.
Been doing this now for a few years with that same “filler” turning the bbq tank upside down. Also grab that purge valve with a hemostat or needle nose pliers and pull it to purge air. When propane comes out……stop filling. It’s the bees knees!
I was wondering about that. Thanks for the tip
There is no air in the tank, only propane gas. Even an ‘empty’ tank will only contain propane gas, as there is no way for air to be admitted - this is by design, as admitted air in the tank would result in an explosive mixture, rather than a fuel only atmosphere.
Cody, before you fill those small tanks you must completely purge them with you new tool. Then place them in the freezer for 15 minutes then fill them. It should get you very close to a full 1lb tank.
I cannot believe a professional home owner such as Cody didn’t know you could use Coleman style cylinders with a torch head lol.
I busted out Laughing at that too. I learned that back in the 70's....
Is that what he was talking about?? I can't believe he wouldn't know that. Around here nobody knows what MAPP gas is, they all use the Green Propane cans.
I literally purchased the same refill valve and love it. Use an old HVAC scale to weigh my cylinders
I would recommend not overfilling these disposable tanks. I've seen some pretty major swelling and possible explosion from an overfilled tank. 75 - 80 % fill seems like the safe bet. Maybe even less if storing them for any length of time. Anyways, that's just been what I've experienced with that.
I believe when they fill our propane tank for home they never completely fill it more like 90% to allow for the very thing your explaining. Liquid propane reacts like most things regarding temperature.
@@mikerayle6103 right, true. Also, Filling these little disposable bottles when they are cold, which is the best way to fill it, and then turning around and putting them in a warm environment can be a recipe for disaster. Those bottles have such a thin metal on them they can't handle over extreme pressure. Unfortunately, I have seen this with my own eyes. Thank goodness the bottle had failed where there was no flames or people around to get injured. But that being said, I believe refilling these could be a good way to save money if used with caution.
These bottles have pressure reliefs on them for that very reason.....
@@D2O2 you would think so, but sometimes that doesn't work apparently......
I pull the Schrader valve out and fill it to a pound no problem been doing for years be careful I've got over a pound quite a few times. Love you're videos very much thank you for taking the time to watch you do it great 👍 love you and your family is always in my prayers 🙏
My understanding is that it is unsafe to refill the one pounder bottles as they are not designed to be filled and re-filled. There has been incidents in which folks have been injured. I have the Flame King one pound tanks and the construction is noticeably more robust and they are designed to be re-filled. Their kit comes with the device you have to refill and a holder to hold the 20LB tank upside down. The tanks also have a valve to be operated with an allen key. Check them out.
You also need to understand the different gas mix ratios that are available IE butane/propane. Here in NZ our domestic portable BBQ bottles are 60% propane 40% butane. Camping cannisters here are butane. Commercial gas fuelled vehicles are 100% propane. The reason for these mixes differ, but butane will remain a liquid below 0C while propane will liquify at -42C. Knowing this will help you understand what the limitations are in filling these mini bottles. Simply opening the purge valve to reduce pressure and get more liquified gas in may not work well if the mini tank temperature is well above the gases boiling point. The problem with mixes is that during winter months it may seem like you have an empty tank (no pressure) but can still feel/hear liquid sloshing around inside the cannister. That's because it's not warm enough to gas off the fuel inside (probably butane). If you go camping in the woods during winter and can't get a camping cannister to run properly that's probably because it's butane. NOTE: MAPP gas (propene) is very similar to propane with a boiling point of around -47C. Its most often found in small gas brazing/welding torches. MAPP burns at a slightly higher temp to propane.
I like to use those green camping style ones on my torch because they don't knock over as easy
I use the refillable 1lbs. tanks for camping power outages ect. The type you showed is the type that is not be refilled according to law, however many people do. The type that are intended to be refillable have a valve you can open to help refill faster. The saving pays off quickly for only cost $.50 to $.75 to refill than $4 or $5.
500 gal propane tank. 50 potato plants to can along with the regular garden. Been buying meat and chicken on sale, flour in the fridge. Most importantly, hunting and fishing license along with the reloading gear. Depression era grandparents taught us well.
that small valve is a pressure relief you will occasionally fill a bottle then find it leaks, if you don't have a heater or lantern ready to take that bottle it will all leak out. Amazon sells brass caps for the one pound bottles. I hand a hose made at a propane place 25 years ago and I've been refilling ever since. If you have a big house tank 250 500 gal. you can get a wet line to fill the 30-100 lb tanks from the larger tank then fill the 1-lb from the 30.
I did know about torch on the green bottles cuz I’ve done it. Good to learn something new every day.
I use the small green tanks for my Weber Q table top grill (tailgating/camping) and yes, I use it with my torch attachment to light the firepit too....
I did not know this either! Hooking up the Benzomatic trigger to a camping cylinder! Brilliant!!
I've been using the short bottles for years on my torch valve... less tippy when you set it down.
My torch head I use is a horizontal head that I got at Harbor Freight. But I use the green bottles for that. It works great.
Clamping forceps can be used to pull the pressure relief valve and bleed off the gaseous propane to get a complete 1 lb fill. And yes people do put them in the freezer to get a more complete fill.
I’ve seen this comment a few times. This is bad dangerous advice. Messing with that valve opens you up to the possibilities for a leak. Just purge it with an Allen wrench at the top of the cylinder. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
Yep, gotta pull that valve and keep it straight cuz it's easily damaged. BUT if ya wanna be slick with your mapp gas torch grab an inline filter for a little buddy heater and a long propane hose for the big bottle and run that torch of a BBQ bottle, works great for hobby stuff
You should mark the cans, since it's illegal to transport them in a motor vehicle in some states after they've been refilled.
You can vent the canister by pulling on the small metal pin in the vent. It is not a push to release valve.
Yes, you're the only person. In your defense, I didn't know it until about 2 years ago.
The valve in those little green propane tanks is essentially a reverse Schrader valve instead of pushing in on the little post get a small pair of needle-nose pliers and pull it out and you can Purge the tank small pair of needle-nose pliers that have a 45 or 90 degree Bend in the nose of the pliers works best so you don't get cold propane on your hands
very useful video, thank you
That's why I enjoy watching your channel- you're honest ( putting the fire lighter onto the propane tank "...I didn't know...."). Keep well, mind your leg - you've a family to consider ( not just the You Tube family).
Bleed pressure from main outlet of the little green bottle with a screw driver and you can put a pound in.
My valve is from Mr.Heater.If you put the empty small tank in the freezer over night you can fill it to 75%.Works every time and has for years.Yours will too.
Hi if you purchase and refill the FlameKing Refillable Propane Cylinder it has a bleed valve that lets you fill it completely.
Hey bud take a punch and push the pin in the middle of the top to let that pressure out I refill these all the time you need to evacuate the empty air in the canister to fill them completely this usasal takes about 3 fill cycles. My process is as follows
1)put empty can on filler tool
Fill till hissing stops.
2)Remove can and wiegh it.
3)press fill valve in for a few seconds ( to let air out.)
4) Put can back on fill tool fill till hissing stops.
5) Repeat steps 1-4 till 1lbs is reached.
Been refilling those little tanks for decades now; for some reason I can get a full 1lb in them. I do fill them in winter tho so the tanks are cold and hold more, I get 12 small green to 1 20lb cylinder [1 green small lasts about a month cooking 2 meals on a single burner "10,000btu" stove for 2 people]. You can also get the gas hose or adaptor that has the same tread end to run a green bottle appliance OFF A 20-100LB TANK... bonus to propane is you can make & run wood gas with no change over...
i have filled quite a few of thoes tanks. and i have found that if you bleed of a little air or the preassure from them after the first fill. you can fill them right up. may take a couple of bleed releases but it works ;)
We've been being told of the coming food crisis for the past 3+ years.... but I'm still gonna watch your video :)
Butane and lpg gas chase the cold so wrap a heat mat around the gas bottle and freeze the refill bottle...
or use a refridgeration pump and guages
Brass is cheap when you melt down spent mil spec ammo casings. The South Koreans used to pick up the spent brass from our live fire operations. They'd melt the brass down and make candle sticks, brass plates, ship bells and other items.
Put an Allen key in the fill hole and push it in 3-4 time in bursts and that will relieve pressure allowing you to add more
It's a great tool to have. One point though, invest in the Flame King refillable 1 pound cyclinders. I bought 4 for $99 free shipping. They have a bleeder valve that you open with a hex key. I use mind a lot for ice fishing using the Mr. Heater Big Buddy and get about 3-4 hours on low per cylinder. It cost me $1.25 to refill so they pay for themselves quickly. They don't leak like the Coleman ones do. Just saying.
I learnt from this man in just a few videos more than any school I attended for years
You need to use a valve core tool for a tire to open the little valve you mentioned to evacuate the air pressure as you refill the tank the same way as you would when refilling the bigger tank with a standard screw driver. Same concept different tool.
It is a felony to transport them after they have been refilled but for around the house works great
if you need something more portable than the 20lb tanks, and money is not a problem, you can buy 5 lb refillable tanks. They are super light (11-12 lbs full). Definitely my preference for the portable grill.
Thank you Cody. That's why I love this channel Right there Folks. I learn something new everyday time I watch this channel.