FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: Q1. Can I fill propane gas into butane or isobutane canisters? Answer. NO! DO NOT TRY TO FILL PROPANE GAS INTO BUTANE OR ISOBUTANE CANISTERS!! It's dangerous to place propane into the Isobutane canisters because they are light gauge metal containers, and propane exerts a greater pressure than butane. There's a reason why LPG or propane canisters are significantly thicker gauge than the little hiking gas canisters we love to carry around. Q2. Can I "top up" a half full gas canister, say a camping iso-butane canister that is half-full with butane gas? Answer: There is nothing wrong with 'topping up' a canister provided that it is only topped up with the same type of gas, ie butane to butane, don't mix butane into iso-butane or propane for example. However, be aware of the weight of an empty canister vs a full canister, so when you top up the half empty canister, do not go above what a full canister would normally weigh. That's why always use a kitchen scale to double check. For example, I always use the small 100g Jetboil camping canister for my adventures. When empty, it weighs 100g, when full of butane it weighs 200g. Don't overfill it to say 220g total weight, ensure its 200g total and you're good to go - it's what the canister is designed to hold. Q3. If I don't freeze the "receiving canister" (host), can I still transfer gas from the donor canister to the host canister? Answer: Yes, you can.... if you don't freeze the receiving canister, it will still receive gas, but won't be as efficient to transfer, and it won't get to its full capacity. To make sure gas flows from the donor canister to the host canister effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So, the receiving canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister should be on the bottom of the donor canister. Q4. My iso-butane canister is looking old, rusty and crappy. Can I still refill it? Answer: Like anything in life, safety is paramount, and if you choose to use any equipment that is old, rusty and crappy, then you will wear the risk of personal injury!! It is critical to always ensure your gas canisters are in good condition. If there is any rust or damage, do not use it for gas purposes!! Discard it and get another gas canister that you have confidence in.
@jelreviews see the silver one you turn on I bhought it ,it come with the orange round thing .Do I need to buy the small valve brass to out thin bottled gas ie stuff used for heaters that you put in sideways , thnks .
Here in Canada it's actually illegal to refill the "non-refillable" types, probably because most people don't understand the differences between gas, cannisters and pressure. I had a LPG (Propane) vehicle with adapters and hoses to use 20 lb (8KG) tanks in case I ran out in the woods... I also wanted to mention to you and your viewers that the smaller 1lb (400grm green ones) has legally refillable ones on Amazon. The refillable ones usually have a valve to deal with "over filling" while the green ones don't. Also I think the refillable ones are a bit sturdier on construction. My advice, but the refillable LPG tanks and a tank kit if you're going to use small ones for camping.
Few notes: - propane, butane or their mix is always mostly liquified in the bottle unless its almost empty, you harvest the gas from layer on top of the liquid - this is part of the reason you had trouble transferring into a bottle that was laying on its side, better setup is donor/receiver adaptors connected with a hose, that way you can keep donor bottle upside down, receiver bottle right side up and also keep it on the scale while you are filling to check that you don´t go over the proper fill weight.
I don’t know how you could have produced this with all of the important information in a briefer, clearer presentation. I have probably consulted seven or eight other videos (each helpful in its own way), but none was as thorough or as clear as this. Thank you very much for the effort that went into this (the editing must have been labor-intensive); be safe, and enjoy the outdoors. Many thanks from the USA.
Thank you so much for the encouraging comment... I really appreciate it. It does take a lot of work, but I enjoy helping others when I can. Thanks for watching. :)
Here in the UK I tend to buy larger ISO Butane cans at 500g each. I then fill our small 230g or 100g cans as appropriate. Works out a little more economical to buy in bulk. The 230g ones we use for sea kayaking expeditions, they fit in the boat a bit easier; and the 100g ones for when we have to carry stuff on our backs 😎 The big ones never go anywhere near a stove. Once they are empty I puncture them and recycle. Thanks for the info on the narrower pure butane cans. Cheaper solution so long as it’s not too cold 👍🏻 Will probably use these once I get the adapter from eBay.
This was the most thorough, and understandable, video I have read on refilling canisters. I ordinarily hammock-camp in a nearby state forest (less than 20 miles away, in the USA), and I ordinarily do everything over a fire; in the summer, it keeps bugs away, in cooler weather, it produces heat (I’ve been comfortably down to 18 F in my hammock), so I ordinarily just cook on the fire. When it rains, however, and I have my hammock tarp in porch mode, I take an alcohol stove, which works fine. However, it doesn’t work very well in sub-freezing weather (it lights, but is slow to reach boiling temps). So I purchased an inexpensive butane stove (the Ozark single-burner). When I weighed it, compared to my alcohol (with fuel), it is only one ounce lighter for the 8 oz. canister, and would be LESS with a 4 oz. canister. Since I ordinarily do only a night or two, that is all I need, but now (thanks to you) I can use my larger butane canisters to re-fuel my smaller ones, and they will be as light (or lighter), and more reliable (keep them close to your back on sub-freezing hikes). This is what I will try this summer and fall, and see how it compares to the alcohol stove. You have provided VERY helpful information as I plan for the future. BTW, I am almost 70, recovered from Stage-3 colon cancer 20 years ago, and I am just grateful to still hike out in the woods and spend nights alone in the woods. Thank you very much, from state-side, as we call it here; hikers, campers, and backpackers have no countries; we all just live in the forest, when we can. THANK you very much. Be safe, and enjoy the forest.
Thanks for your comment. Glad you found it helpful. I think you'll find taking the small 4oz canisters will be a gamechanger, with the ability to be lightweight but cook your food or boil your water much more rapidly. Enjoy your hikes... :)
Great video, it's good to move isobutane from one canister to another if you don't want to take 2 on more partly filled cans, for weight or space reasons
Greetings from the Baltics where it gets very cold. I have a mixture of all there small containers and a bag full of adapters. We are all electric so if there is an outage the little squat can with a burner comes out and heats the meal and then is weighed when it is put away. I will refill it with the tall butane cans until those cans are exhausted (I bought them at my Lidl store as they were sold as refilling units for a walkway weed burner) Hoping to see a repeat sale this Fall. Great video.
I've googled and researched far and wide, have not found more apt information as this anywhere on internet. I was always confused if the Bunnings and swap and go gas bottles at servos have the same gas as the jet boils. Thanks for this video.
Kmart doesn't sell the small butane bottles anymore. So I came across your video on how to refill them. I like the idea of re-using them since the small bottles are expensive.
Top video. Just FYI you can fill the Butane canister from your Propane source with the correct adaptor, BUT they won't work on the standard outdoor butane stove because the safety mechanism on the stove kicks in because propane pressure is much higher than butane and the stove will not let it work.
This is a brilliant video. I have searched for similar vids, but it in the end it was UA-cam analytics that brought it up for me. A great job in explaining and thank you for sharing.
A canister with a designed bleeder valve will be easier to fill, and also safer to use and transport. They are also the legal option for transport, in the peculiar but not unheard of instance of a transport related explosion, as use of an unregulated container would be treated as negligence in the event of damage or injury.
You are lucky that the cost of the tall butane gas canisters is so cheap! In Greece the cost of one of those canisters is around 5 Euros! They are used in the table side cookers in many restaurants, more than likely the reason for the higher cost. I do have one of the older camping stoves I bought in the states that comes from Brazil and utilizes the Camping Gaz 190gm sealed can that the stove will pierce when the base holding the gas tank is screwed tight to the stove. One does not unscrew the cylinder housing until it is totally empty. I also purchased an adapter that takes these cheap pierce once cans and converts it to a screw top style canister as allowing it to work with a smaller compact camping burners without worry of loosing gas from the cheaper piercing cans.
Oh wow... that is expensive for butane! I guess we are fortunate here in OZ for that gas. I've never had the chance to use the pierced gas canisters - they are not really sold much nor used over here. That adaptor for pierced cans sounds interesting - can't say I've seen that yet.
@Subgunman Hi. That's interesting info. Thanks. The adaptor you mention that allows piercable canister > threaded stove. Could you provide info on what to search for? The only one I could find wasn't he Kovea KA-1004 'clamp down' frame style adaptor. We can buy C206 GLS canisters for £3 from an outdoor warehouse business called 'Go Outdoors'.
Great video, I learned things! I bought one of those 'over/under' adapters, to try and collect small leftovers from almost finished containers. Thing is, the valve open both ways, so I thought it might be faulty, but there's also no indicators for in/out . I was thinking, isn't gas liquid and supposed to follow gravity downward, so I just place the donor on top and reciever on bottom, or is the pressure a factor? I'm sorry but you made the video, so be ready for questions XD
No problem at all... always happy to answer questions if I can. To make sure gas flows from one canister to the other effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So the empty canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister on the bottom of the donor canister. Just don't overfill the canisters... use a weigh scale to double-check. Hope that helps. :)
Great info, a few clarifications please: Is there such a thing as "topping up" a camping canister? In other words, what would happen if you went to refill a half empty one from a thin butane can? Second is what happens if you don't freeze the receiving canister, is it a large difference in the mass gain?
Thanks. Re the first question, nothing wrong with 'topping up' a canister, however be aware of the following: only top up with the same type of gas, ie butane to butane, don't mix butane into iso-butane or propane. Also, be aware of the weight of an empty canister vs a full canister, so when you top up the half empty canister, do not go above what a full canister would normally weigh. That's why always use a kitchen scale to double check. For example, I always use the small 100g camping canister for my adventures. Empty it weighs 100g, full of butane it weighs 200g. Don't overfill it to say 220g total weight, ensure its 200g total and you're good to go - it's what the canister is designed to hold. Re the second question, if you don't freeze the receiving canister, it will still receive gas, but won't be as efficient to transfer, and it won't get to its full capacity. To make sure gas flows from one canister to the other effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So the empty canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister on the bottom of the donor canister. Hope all that helps :)
I would advice anyone doing this to check your valves and bottles/cans with a spraybottle and a Mix of water and dishsoap for leakage Use a Mix of at least 40%soap to get nice clear bubbleing if anything is letting out Gas where it shouldnt
Hello, great video, just what I was looking for. Can I use a butane gas canister on a propane camp stove ? If so, what adapter do I need to use butane bottles on propane stove?
Thanks for watching. If you mean to fill a butane canister with propane, then no.... too dangerous. Propane is not meant for the very thin-walled butane or isobutane gas canisters as it exerts a lot higher pressure.
@@marcoshernandez1427 Sorry, now I get it. :) Yes you can... I'd recommend checking out this guy's video as he does exactly what you're asking: ua-cam.com/video/a5I9ENOItlE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=EliteEdge%3ATech%26WellnesswithSheryl%26Linus
I know you can't refill 8oz butane cans with propane because of the higher pressure, but can you combine butane from partially empty butane cans into one?
Absolutely, you can combine butane from other butane canisters into one of these Isobutane canisters I've shown in this video. Just ensure you don't add butane into a canister that already contains the Isobutane mixture... It's either one or the other. No home mixing of both. 👍👍
No probs. Yes, my understanding is that it's dangerous to place propane into the Isobutane canisters because they are light gauge metal containers, and propane exerts a greater pressure than butane. There's a reason why LPG or propane canisters are significantly thicker gauge than the little hiking gas canisters we love to carry. 👍
@@jelreviews Thanks for your answer. Ah, OK, I understand. Since I mostly only do overnight tours, 30g in a 100g canister would probably be enough for me. But it's probably a stupid idea, don't you think? (At my risk, of course!) :D
@massa6784 Butane can be stored under pressure at 1.5bar at 15 degrees C, the pressure of Propane under similar conditions is 7 bar! The tall 'beercan' Butane cylinders are thin and fragile but are normally used in static grills and bbqs, the small iso/Butane (also Butane/Propane from Campingaz) are more rugged for backpacking and climbing where they are more likely to be bashed and dropped, they don't actually need to be that thick but I've seen the beercans take some scary knocks. Propane is 4 times the pressure of Butane, just don't go there.
I want to fill the 1 lb. green bottle with the butane can. what adapter do I need? Better yet, I can to use the butane on a bbq that uses the 1 lb. green bottle propane. is there an adpter for that? or is that a no no.
You can freeze it as long as you like - I only freeze it for around 30 minutes. No, this is not dangerous to do. These canisters are heavy duty and can withstand -30 degrees celcius easily.
No problem. The video has a description area where I write a bunch of stuff about the video for the viewer. In that section is a link for each of the adaptors I show in this video - I've titled these as "Purchase Links". Each link will take you to where I purchased these. Hope that helps. :)
I don't think people really realize how dangerous this is to do. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, there are many options out there that are refillable and safe. One company or such company sadly it is a overseas company but in my eyes I don't care is a company called camping Moon and I'm sure you have one or two of their adapters from the looks of your video. They have at least four different options when it comes to refillable canisters the largest option is their tc-35 but they sound like hotcakes I'm not going to lie! It took me at least a year to finally get myself one because of how fast these things sell. They're smaller ones you can find on Amazon quite easily, all you need to do is for camping Moon refillable canister. I believe they're second largest is the TC 28 is relatively small compared to their tc35 but still the weight is cut in half of course because of its size but still very worth it in my opinion
@@jelreviews exactly what I said. Reusing disposable fuel canisters. They're all built the same way, meaning they all will break down the same way and could cause significant damage or harm to you or others around you.
Yeah I disagree... these iso-butane canisters are perfectly safe for refilling with butane gas and obviously iso-butane mixtures. It's propane gas that I would not be filling these with as that is a heavier gas requiring a more robust canister... and I covered this in the video. The warning on these small gas canisters has been debunked a long time ago, but are left there by the manufacturers to continue purchasing them. Everything in life carries risks and can be dangerous, and if you are concerned about refilling these canisters with butane, then simply don't do it. Refilling these smaller canisters with butane gas.... no problems mate, people have been doing this for years and saving money. :)
@@jelreviews people have yes I've seen it all over and that is true though there isn't a way to fix them when they deteriorate, guess just buy another one but in the long run more reliable option would be one you don't have to worry about breaking down on you in less than a weeks worth of heavy use. I would say in my opinion or many other's under the pretenses of buy once cry once, would you rather buy 10 unreliable unsafe items are one or two items that are pricey but much more with the money in the long run. Still no hate or disrespect mate love your opinion on this
It can be charged, but the cylinder may swell and burst in the summer heat! ️I also experimented, but the bottom expanded from concave to convex. Apparently it survived the explosion. too dangerou‼️
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
Q1. Can I fill propane gas into butane or isobutane canisters?
Answer. NO! DO NOT TRY TO FILL PROPANE GAS INTO BUTANE OR ISOBUTANE CANISTERS!! It's dangerous to place propane into the Isobutane canisters because they are light gauge metal containers, and propane exerts a greater pressure than butane. There's a reason why LPG or propane canisters are significantly thicker gauge than the little hiking gas canisters we love to carry around.
Q2. Can I "top up" a half full gas canister, say a camping iso-butane canister that is half-full with butane gas?
Answer: There is nothing wrong with 'topping up' a canister provided that it is only topped up with the same type of gas, ie butane to butane, don't mix butane into iso-butane or propane for example. However, be aware of the weight of an empty canister vs a full canister, so when you top up the half empty canister, do not go above what a full canister would normally weigh. That's why always use a kitchen scale to double check. For example, I always use the small 100g Jetboil camping canister for my adventures. When empty, it weighs 100g, when full of butane it weighs 200g. Don't overfill it to say 220g total weight, ensure its 200g total and you're good to go - it's what the canister is designed to hold.
Q3. If I don't freeze the "receiving canister" (host), can I still transfer gas from the donor canister to the host canister?
Answer: Yes, you can.... if you don't freeze the receiving canister, it will still receive gas, but won't be as efficient to transfer, and it won't get to its full capacity. To make sure gas flows from the donor canister to the host canister effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So, the receiving canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister should be on the bottom of the donor canister.
Q4. My iso-butane canister is looking old, rusty and crappy. Can I still refill it?
Answer: Like anything in life, safety is paramount, and if you choose to use any equipment that is old, rusty and crappy, then you will wear the risk of personal injury!! It is critical to always ensure your gas canisters are in good condition. If there is any rust or damage, do not use it for gas purposes!! Discard it and get another gas canister that you have confidence in.
@jelreviews see the silver one you turn on I bhought it ,it come with the orange round thing .Do I need to buy the small valve brass to out thin bottled gas ie stuff used for heaters that you put in sideways , thnks .
Understood. What would be the maximum size doner bottle?
Here in Canada it's actually illegal to refill the "non-refillable" types, probably because most people don't understand the differences between gas, cannisters and pressure. I had a LPG (Propane) vehicle with adapters and hoses to use 20 lb (8KG) tanks in case I ran out in the woods... I also wanted to mention to you and your viewers that the smaller 1lb (400grm green ones) has legally refillable ones on Amazon. The refillable ones usually have a valve to deal with "over filling" while the green ones don't. Also I think the refillable ones are a bit sturdier on construction. My advice, but the refillable LPG tanks and a tank kit if you're going to use small ones for camping.
Few notes:
- propane, butane or their mix is always mostly liquified in the bottle unless its almost empty, you harvest the gas from layer on top of the liquid
- this is part of the reason you had trouble transferring into a bottle that was laying on its side, better setup is donor/receiver adaptors connected with a hose, that way you can keep donor bottle upside down, receiver bottle right side up and also keep it on the scale while you are filling to check that you don´t go over the proper fill weight.
I don’t know how you could have produced this with all of the important information in a briefer, clearer presentation. I have probably consulted seven or eight other videos (each helpful in its own way), but none was as thorough or as clear as this. Thank you very much for the effort that went into this (the editing must have been labor-intensive); be safe, and enjoy the outdoors. Many thanks from the USA.
Thank you so much for the encouraging comment... I really appreciate it. It does take a lot of work, but I enjoy helping others when I can. Thanks for watching. :)
pull the little relief valve out with needle nose pliers to get some air out, instead of repeated freezing. great video!
Here in the UK I tend to buy larger ISO Butane cans at 500g each. I then fill our small 230g or 100g cans as appropriate. Works out a little more economical to buy in bulk. The 230g ones we use for sea kayaking expeditions, they fit in the boat a bit easier; and the 100g ones for when we have to carry stuff on our backs 😎
The big ones never go anywhere near a stove. Once they are empty I puncture them and recycle.
Thanks for the info on the narrower pure butane cans. Cheaper solution so long as it’s not too cold 👍🏻 Will probably use these once I get the adapter from eBay.
This was the most thorough, and understandable, video I have read on refilling canisters. I ordinarily hammock-camp in a nearby state forest (less than 20 miles away, in the USA), and I ordinarily do everything over a fire; in the summer, it keeps bugs away, in cooler weather, it produces heat (I’ve been comfortably down to 18 F in my hammock), so I ordinarily just cook on the fire. When it rains, however, and I have my hammock tarp in porch mode, I take an alcohol stove, which works fine. However, it doesn’t work very well in sub-freezing weather (it lights, but is slow to reach boiling temps). So I purchased an inexpensive butane stove (the Ozark single-burner). When I weighed it, compared to my alcohol (with fuel), it is only one ounce lighter for the 8 oz. canister, and would be LESS with a 4 oz. canister. Since I ordinarily do only a night or two, that is all I need, but now (thanks to you) I can use my larger butane canisters to re-fuel my smaller ones, and they will be as light (or lighter), and more reliable (keep them close to your back on sub-freezing hikes). This is what I will try this summer and fall, and see how it compares to the alcohol stove. You have provided VERY helpful information as I plan for the future. BTW, I am almost 70, recovered from Stage-3 colon cancer 20 years ago, and I am just grateful to still hike out in the woods and spend nights alone in the woods. Thank you very much, from state-side, as we call it here; hikers, campers, and backpackers have no countries; we all just live in the forest, when we can. THANK you very much. Be safe, and enjoy the forest.
Thanks for your comment. Glad you found it helpful. I think you'll find taking the small 4oz canisters will be a gamechanger, with the ability to be lightweight but cook your food or boil your water much more rapidly. Enjoy your hikes... :)
Best and most comprehensive explanation of all these gas bottles / valves etc. EVAR! Thanks.
Great to hear... Thanks for the feedback 🙌
Best canister refilling video I have seen!
Great video, it's good to move isobutane from one canister to another if you don't want to take 2 on more partly filled cans, for weight or space reasons
Greetings from the Baltics where it gets very cold. I have a mixture of all there small containers and a bag full of adapters. We are all electric so if there is an outage the little squat can with a burner comes out and heats the meal and then is weighed when it is put away. I will refill it with the tall butane cans until those cans are exhausted (I bought them at my Lidl store as they were sold as refilling units for a walkway weed burner) Hoping to see a repeat sale this Fall. Great video.
Excellent explanation finally someone explaining what all the gases are/ used for. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative, thank you for sharing 👍
I've googled and researched far and wide, have not found more apt information as this anywhere on internet. I was always confused if the Bunnings and swap and go gas bottles at servos have the same gas as the jet boils.
Thanks for this video.
Glad I could help!
Excellent video, I can now use the adapter I bought years ago & forgot about....thanks again
Great to hear!
Excellent video and information. Thanks.
Thanks! I'm glad you found it useful.
Kmart doesn't sell the small butane bottles anymore. So I came across your video on how to refill them. I like the idea of re-using them since the small bottles are expensive.
Yes, I noticed. Bunnings is selling these for $4.50 a canister but I noticed their stocks are low too.
Excellent presentation, concise & to the point, 10 out of 10...
Thanks so much for the cost break down.
Thankyou for this informative video😊 great help watching here in the phils.
Top video.
Just FYI you can fill the Butane canister from your Propane source with the correct adaptor, BUT they won't work on the standard outdoor butane stove because the safety mechanism on the stove kicks in because propane pressure is much higher than butane and the stove will not let it work.
Thanks for the tip!
Top tip. Many thanks.
Great video. I just bought two of those valves that will suit my needs. Thank you.
Ι am newbie and this video helped me to understand everything. Thanks! Best video
Awesome, glad it helped. Thanks for letting me know 🙌
This is a brilliant video. I have searched for similar vids, but it in the end it was UA-cam analytics that brought it up for me. A great job in explaining and thank you for sharing.
Most welcome... Thanks for the feedback 👍👍
Excellent Video mate.
Very useful information Cheers 😁
Thanks 👍
A canister with a designed bleeder valve will be easier to fill, and also safer to use and transport. They are also the legal option for transport, in the peculiar but not unheard of instance of a transport related explosion, as use of an unregulated container would be treated as negligence in the event of damage or injury.
Hi do you know ow of an adapter for campinggaz stoves ?
They discontinued the fuel here in the US thanks
Thank u, vry helpful. Wil try this soon (frm butane to can for camping), yaykz! Bit scared 😅
You can buy the refilling adapters with a tube, it comes with a valve and a relief valve so you can refill more easily and fill more.
Hmm, not sure if I've seen that one with a tube yet. You wouldn't have a link to it I could check out?
You are lucky that the cost of the tall butane gas canisters is so cheap! In Greece the cost of one of those canisters is around 5 Euros! They are used in the table side cookers in many restaurants, more than likely the reason for the higher cost. I do have one of the older camping stoves I bought in the states that comes from Brazil and utilizes the Camping Gaz 190gm sealed can that the stove will pierce when the base holding the gas tank is screwed tight to the stove. One does not unscrew the cylinder housing until it is totally empty. I also purchased an adapter that takes these cheap pierce once cans and converts it to a screw top style canister as allowing it to work with a smaller compact camping burners without worry of loosing gas from the cheaper piercing cans.
Oh wow... that is expensive for butane! I guess we are fortunate here in OZ for that gas. I've never had the chance to use the pierced gas canisters - they are not really sold much nor used over here. That adaptor for pierced cans sounds interesting - can't say I've seen that yet.
@Subgunman Hi. That's interesting info. Thanks. The adaptor you mention that allows piercable canister > threaded stove. Could you provide info on what to search for? The only one I could find wasn't he Kovea KA-1004 'clamp down' frame style adaptor. We can buy C206 GLS canisters for £3 from an outdoor warehouse business called 'Go Outdoors'.
Awesome, thanks for sharing your knowledge ❤
Good onya bloke, great video, thank you kindly..👍
Great video, I learned things!
I bought one of those 'over/under' adapters, to try and collect small leftovers from almost finished containers. Thing is, the valve open both ways, so I thought it might be faulty, but there's also no indicators for in/out . I was thinking, isn't gas liquid and supposed to follow gravity downward, so I just place the donor on top and reciever on bottom, or is the pressure a factor? I'm sorry but you made the video, so be ready for questions XD
No problem at all... always happy to answer questions if I can. To make sure gas flows from one canister to the other effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So the empty canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister on the bottom of the donor canister. Just don't overfill the canisters... use a weigh scale to double-check. Hope that helps. :)
Great info, a few clarifications please:
Is there such a thing as "topping up" a camping canister? In other words, what would happen if you went to refill a half empty one from a thin butane can?
Second is what happens if you don't freeze the receiving canister, is it a large difference in the mass gain?
Thanks. Re the first question, nothing wrong with 'topping up' a canister, however be aware of the following: only top up with the same type of gas, ie butane to butane, don't mix butane into iso-butane or propane. Also, be aware of the weight of an empty canister vs a full canister, so when you top up the half empty canister, do not go above what a full canister would normally weigh. That's why always use a kitchen scale to double check. For example, I always use the small 100g camping canister for my adventures. Empty it weighs 100g, full of butane it weighs 200g. Don't overfill it to say 220g total weight, ensure its 200g total and you're good to go - it's what the canister is designed to hold.
Re the second question, if you don't freeze the receiving canister, it will still receive gas, but won't be as efficient to transfer, and it won't get to its full capacity. To make sure gas flows from one canister to the other effectively, there needs to be a heat differential between them. If both canisters are the same temperature, it won't transfer effectively. Cold gas shrinks and condenses, while warm fuel expands. So the empty canister needs to be colder than the one being emptied, and the receiving canister on the bottom of the donor canister.
Hope all that helps :)
Great video bro
I would advice anyone doing this to check your valves and bottles/cans with a spraybottle and a Mix of water and dishsoap for leakage
Use a Mix of at least 40%soap to get nice clear bubbleing if anything is letting out Gas where it shouldnt
That is good advice 🙌
Brilliant thank you
great video, but don't use your wrench backwards... can you send a link for the butane cartridge to isobutane canister ? the smallest one.
Cheers, all links in the description 👍
Nice video
Excellent video
Hello, great video, just what I was looking for.
Can I use a butane gas canister on a propane camp stove ? If so, what adapter do I need to use butane bottles on propane stove?
Thanks for watching. If you mean to fill a butane canister with propane, then no.... too dangerous. Propane is not meant for the very thin-walled butane or isobutane gas canisters as it exerts a lot higher pressure.
@@jelreviewsI meant using butane gas on a stove meant for propane.
@@marcoshernandez1427 Sorry, now I get it. :) Yes you can... I'd recommend checking out this guy's video as he does exactly what you're asking: ua-cam.com/video/a5I9ENOItlE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=EliteEdge%3ATech%26WellnesswithSheryl%26Linus
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. @@jelreviews
Interesting Information.
Very helpful.
best vid on the tube...lol
Thanks mate.... Much appreciated 👍👍
I know you can't refill 8oz butane cans with propane because of the higher pressure, but can you combine butane from partially empty butane cans into one?
Absolutely, you can combine butane from other butane canisters into one of these Isobutane canisters I've shown in this video. Just ensure you don't add butane into a canister that already contains the Isobutane mixture... It's either one or the other. No home mixing of both. 👍👍
I buy a box of 0f 7 x 4 packs of the iso butane from mitre 10 220 g for 56 dollars and refill my skrew top 230 gram canisters
Thanks
Hi! Thank you for this video! Is there a reason why you don´t fill propane in the 100 or 230g bottles?
No probs. Yes, my understanding is that it's dangerous to place propane into the Isobutane canisters because they are light gauge metal containers, and propane exerts a greater pressure than butane. There's a reason why LPG or propane canisters are significantly thicker gauge than the little hiking gas canisters we love to carry. 👍
@@jelreviews Thanks for your answer. Ah, OK, I understand. Since I mostly only do overnight tours, 30g in a 100g canister would probably be enough for me. But it's probably a stupid idea, don't you think? (At my risk, of course!) :D
@massa6784 Butane can be stored under pressure at 1.5bar at 15 degrees C, the pressure of Propane under similar conditions is 7 bar!
The tall 'beercan' Butane cylinders are thin and fragile but are normally used in static grills and bbqs, the small iso/Butane (also Butane/Propane from Campingaz) are more rugged for backpacking and climbing where they are more likely to be bashed and dropped, they don't actually need to be that thick but I've seen the beercans take some scary knocks.
Propane is 4 times the pressure of Butane, just don't go there.
I want to fill the 1 lb. green bottle with the butane can. what adapter do I need? Better yet, I can to use the butane on a bbq that uses the 1 lb. green bottle propane. is there an adpter for that? or is that a no no.
Omg. Hang on! Kmart sells Jetboil equivalent ?!? I need to hunt that down !
May I ask how long do you usually freeze the Propane Gas and is it dangerous?
You can freeze it as long as you like - I only freeze it for around 30 minutes. No, this is not dangerous to do. These canisters are heavy duty and can withstand -30 degrees celcius easily.
I’m using the propane bottle, my Thermocell pads do not turn white ?
Ok
How do I find the link?
I’m a bit old and not you tube savvy 😂😂
Thanks for the reply
No problem. The video has a description area where I write a bunch of stuff about the video for the viewer. In that section is a link for each of the adaptors I show in this video - I've titled these as "Purchase Links". Each link will take you to where I purchased these. Hope that helps. :)
Hi where do l buy the adapters from ie BCF or Bunnings ????
Hi mate... all links in the video description.
I don't think people really realize how dangerous this is to do. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, there are many options out there that are refillable and safe. One company or such company sadly it is a overseas company but in my eyes I don't care is a company called camping Moon and I'm sure you have one or two of their adapters from the looks of your video. They have at least four different options when it comes to refillable canisters the largest option is their tc-35 but they sound like hotcakes I'm not going to lie! It took me at least a year to finally get myself one because of how fast these things sell. They're smaller ones you can find on Amazon quite easily, all you need to do is for camping Moon refillable canister. I believe they're second largest is the TC 28 is relatively small compared to their tc35 but still the weight is cut in half of course because of its size but still very worth it in my opinion
I think it would be helpful if you specify exactly what you consider so dangerous that I haven't covered in this video.
@@jelreviews exactly what I said. Reusing disposable fuel canisters. They're all built the same way, meaning they all will break down the same way and could cause significant damage or harm to you or others around you.
Yeah I disagree... these iso-butane canisters are perfectly safe for refilling with butane gas and obviously iso-butane mixtures. It's propane gas that I would not be filling these with as that is a heavier gas requiring a more robust canister... and I covered this in the video. The warning on these small gas canisters has been debunked a long time ago, but are left there by the manufacturers to continue purchasing them. Everything in life carries risks and can be dangerous, and if you are concerned about refilling these canisters with butane, then simply don't do it. Refilling these smaller canisters with butane gas.... no problems mate, people have been doing this for years and saving money. :)
@@jelreviews people have yes I've seen it all over and that is true though there isn't a way to fix them when they deteriorate, guess just buy another one but in the long run more reliable option would be one you don't have to worry about breaking down on you in less than a weeks worth of heavy use. I would say in my opinion or many other's under the pretenses of buy once cry once, would you rather buy 10 unreliable unsafe items are one or two items that are pricey but much more with the money in the long run. Still no hate or disrespect mate love your opinion on this
It can be charged, but the cylinder may swell and burst in the summer heat! ️I also experimented, but the bottom expanded from concave to convex. Apparently it survived the explosion. too dangerou‼️
I'm looking to know if or how to refill the large butane bottles with propane
Read my description. I wouldn't do it.
@jelreviews okay, thanks for your reply 👍