Wacom Cintiq vs Eizo 31 inch - 2 years on...
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Two years ago I purchased a Wacom Cintiq 27inch and I promised to give you a 'users review' of what it was like. Sorry it's taken me so long but in this video I finally explained why I've gone back to using an Eizo with a Wacom tablet instead.
First of all I would like to thanks you for your clear English language, I am not English but I understood everything. You are definitely a real photographer who knows what he is talking about. Very valuable information-many thanks
a great review, and in depth look at the two, and nice to see the shot you used for the Hts1.5x adaptor, when you showed this piece of kit off, and nice to see some re-touching work on it.
Really interesting video for me seeing another kind of perspective on stuff like this. I'm an illustrator so my needs are different and I don't sell prints or have a need for utmost color accuracy but hearing first hand why things like that can be very important is pretty cool.
Of course the Cintiq were primarily made for artists like painter , drawer , designers , illustrator, comic artist. Etc.. and not so much for photography artist that don’t really rely on painting on screen.
Usually tho, professional artists uses 2 monitors when using a Cintiq. The texture and anti glare screen technology they use also is a major part and Selling point for the Cintiq. For drawing feel and obviously to avoid glare.
For ur photography line of work the Cintiq isn’t ideal.
But i like the Cintiq because i like on screen drawing and painting ...and the size is a plus...i love the feel of the texture and the anti glare ..i use similar screen protector on my ipad pro.
Hi Karl. I intend to buy a new EIZO soon, so this tip is just right. Many Greetings from the Coast of Northern Germany, Gert.
You just saved me some serious money. I'll be waiting for the Asus review. Cheers from Sydney Australia.
Hey Karl, I understand 100% the glass problem with the Cintiq Wacom. I have the 24HD model ( the old one ) and the glare from the screen ( together with the glass) is very harmful for a perfect color work . But compares a 2k monitor (cintiq) with a 4k ( ULTRA MONSTER HQ quality Eizo) is not so fair! ahah. Would be awesome to see you with the new Cintiq 4k model ( 24 or 32" ) and share some though about that. But in my opinion Eizo will be the Top 1 always! Lets see if Asus can beat him!, can't wait to see the review.
I think you nailed it about the surface material of the Cintiq. The Eizo looks significantly better. And the comment on the hand blocking really makes sense to me. Thanks, I will save my money.
Thanks.
Great comparison, thanks for the video. I definitely see the difference in sharpness and overall quality of the image between the 2 monitors. Eizo is definitely far superior. I have been using Eizos for over 10 years. To me, the biggest advantage of Eizo is not about Eizo at all. The fact that I can put Wacom on a table surface is more convenient to draw and paint at long stretches of time. I program my Wacom so that I only use a portion of the tablet surface to cover the entire monitor screen. So I don't have to make huge hand/arm movements to make small fine changes to my image. Makes painting and drawing much easier. I understand painters paint on large canvas and that is how it is done. But Personally, I like my hand to move minimally so there are fewer shakes and bumps to be more accurate. Also when it comes to image editing as supposed to painting, I feel like it needs more pinpoint accuracy at the pixel level. Whereas in painting it doesn't have to be that precise in my opinion. What are your thoughts?
Thanks - yet again very helpful 👍
Wow. I experienced the same thing with my two monitors. One is really sharp and the other isn't as sharp. They are both calibrated and so on. But sometimes the quality of the panel is what makes the difference. I actually want to get that Asus PA monitor. I hope you do receive it and do a review. You saved me some time and money with regards to the Cintique. Thanks Karl.
An excellent comparison! Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you
The best setup is instead of a screen less cintiq, a cintiq pro 16 (or if you have enough room a 24) (both do 4k), and a bigger 32-0r 27 inch 4 k color grading monitor, and set them up as duplicates, You can see directly what you do on the cintiq, and when you look up you have the color accuracy you need. The cintiq has as a bonus touch!
Thank you so much Karl! I was thinking about getting a cintiq but I guess I had a wrong perception.
How important is to use a qadro gpu to work on Photoshop? I've been looking into getting a laptop but as far as I've learned you can only work on 10bit on PS using Quadro. How important would you say that is in your workflow?
Thank you once again.
I think that big bezel on Wacom is for palm rest space, since the screen itself is touchscreen and you could held the tablet without accidentally touched the screen.
That kind of bezel is quite common on digital pen monitors (even i haven't seen any bezeless pen monitor until i wrote this).
It also supposed to be a space to put the additional Express Keys remote accessory which is magnetic.
We use Cintiqs for Zbrush, digital sculpting and of course hand drawn animation and concept work. it is an invaluable tool. That's for the review
Hello Karl, and thank you for sharing your experience with the two monitors side by side. You mentioned the Asus as the next one you might compare. If you happened to have the opportunity, I would also wish to suggest the ViewSonic VP-2785-4K for a review, which, similarly to the Eizo, has 99% Adobe RGB coverage, but comes with a price tag even cheaper than the Wacom - it costs around $ 900. While I don't expect the ViewSonic to really be on par with your Eizo, I've been seriously considering it for the past months thanks to its reportedly high performance-to-price ratio and the fact that it is a budget alternative compared to comparable Eizo ColorEdge monitors. It would be very interesting to see or hear your experience with it if you happen to already have some, or gain some in the near future. (I know you are not a very gear-oriented person, my curiosity makes me suggest including this piece of hardware nevertheless...)
This is the product's website: www.viewsonic.com/us/vp2785-4k.html
This is a review from Fstoppers, which unfortunately doesn't go in depth at all: fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-viewsonic-2785-4k-one-most-affordable-27-inch-uhd-monitors-99-263792
I tried the newest 13” cintiq and I did not like it for editing photos. I do use the medium now as well.
We love you Karl
Good and valid comparison - especially about how your hand covers part of the image you need to compare to during retouching on the Cintiq. I use two large Intuos Pro tablets mapped to (3) NEC 27" SpectraView calibrated monitors side by side on my MacPro. The center monitor is my main monitor and one of the Intuos pros is mapped strictly to that monitor for retouching. The monitors on either side are usually covered with the many palettes I use especially with illustration and CAD programs, but are also great for comparing muliple images when needed.
Your set up sounds interesting!
Hi Karl,
First of all, thank you so much for all your work. So inspiring. I was wondering if you tried the new generation of Cintiq, the Pro ones. Especially the 24 or 32. They have 4k displays and I was wondering what is your opinion on them, when it comes to retouching. Thank you so much!
Hi Andrei, I'm afraid I've not seen one yet.
Thank you, Karl for your reply!
Hi Karl,
you 'll have to test the new wacom cintiq pro 32, with new etched glass screen, 32 inches, 4K, new better pen... Maybe, it will change your point of view ;)
I use a Cintiq 24 HD for editing along with a NEC Multisync PA24WBK monitor. The final image is viewed on the NEC as it has a much better image quality.
Honestly, between a 27QHD Cintiq to an Eizo 31" 4K screen, I don't think there should have been a comparison, especially when the cintiq your reviewing is not even 4K (unlike the new cintiq pros) and comes with a matte screen protector already installed, which would have blurred up the screen a lot more than anyone would like. The cintiq is meant for practically everything digitally creative while the Eizo is meant for more refined tuning for coloring and display.
Great review thank you
Cheers
Karl, in your months of experience, didn't your arms get more tired using the Cintiq than with the Intuos due to the permanent up arm position? Thanks for your videos, always top quality!!
Hi Ciro, see the reply to Richard Faulkner
@@VisualEducationStudio Thank you!
Have you tried a Surface Studio? The screen is beautiful at 4500x3000 pixels. The downside on the 1st gen was that it’s a bit underpowered. 2 is meant to be better although in a perfect world they would release just the monitor to use with your own pc
Hi Karl, I noticed in one of your other videos you also have a new iMac pro, what do you think of the screen on the iMac compared to these two? Cheers Saul
The 5K sharpness is nice but it's too glossy/contrasty as usual for imacs. It doesn't compare to the Eizo, the downside of the Eizo is all your menus are tiny.
@@VisualEducationStudio Hi Karl, thanks for the reply.
@@VisualEducationStudio You should be able to scale the UI, in Windows you can do it from the screen settings I'm pretty sure MacOS will have something similar, and you can do that in Photoshop too: Edit>Preferences>Interface [Presentation] UI Scaling. It only gives me Auto, 100%, 200% as options though, a little more control would've been appreciated.
@@Hayreddin Thanks but it doesn't seem to work on a mac. It just says Auto and is greyed out, can't change it.
@@VisualEducationStudio That's unfortunate, however I read that you should be able to do it by checking the option "Scale UI To Font", after that the UI should change according to the selected font size, hope this helps.
Great comparison - really is like night and day. Absolutely no comparison for photographers - Eizo all day long, if you have the money. The Cintiq really is for drawing - it looks so washed out - not even close to the colours on the normal monitor
Plus point is, I can stop looking at getting a Cintiq for photo work :-)
Using a Cintiq for photo editing seems really odd to me. However good the screen is, it's never going to give you the same quality as an Eizo etc. due to the matte coating scattering the light, brightening the darks. The matte coating is needed for pen feel and anti-reflection. Most of the price goes into the digitizer and the display is always going to be compromised for the cost.
I can see why interacting directly with a screen LOOKS like it should be better and how we should do things a couple of decades into the 21st Century but IMO a Cintiq is worse than a drawing tablet in every respect apart from 2 factors: image involvement and line accuracy. If you need either of those greatly, then maybe a Cintiq. Otherwise a tablet with a good quality monitor has many, many advantages.
Hi Karl amazing video I use wacom intros Pro medium and it is amazing
Great video. Can you specify your exact values/temperatures that you go after when you calibrate?
Hi, yes you can specify colour temperature and lumens
@@VisualEducationStudio I know that, haha. I meant if you can tell me what you calibrate to. What temperature, gamma and brightness-value? And if you calibrate it differently depending on if it's print or for web? 😀
Ha Ha yes my lumens is set to about 80 I think and at 6000K if I remember correctly.
I use a Samsung XL30, and it is great. They made it for a short time. I would save the $ and get the BenQ or Asus...They do have some MFG issue when released, but maybe cleared up. NEC is also a good alt to pricey Eizo.
Nice & Thanks :)
Is a Photoshoot or Capture one?
This maybe a silly question but I think maybe has relevance, did your arm get sore after using the Cintiq after a period of time? as your suspending your arm in the air.
Hi Richard, that hasn't happened to me, probably as I'm often resting my body wait on my arm on the screen and I could also lay the Wacom flatter if necessary. Although it is more tiring in general compared to the small tablet as you are having to move your arm greater distances.
Do the newer wacom cintiq, 99% adobe rgb and 4k , still have the same issue about contrast and color accuracy compared to a monitor?
I would love to just buy one but for the price tag I must be sure of what im getting. Any thoughts?
I've heard the new Cintiqs are very good screens but I've not seen or used one yet to be able to comment.
@@VisualEducationStudio got ya, thank you for taking your time to answer 🙏
To solve your problem you can buy the new wacom 4k and duplicate the display and you will have the same picture on both displays so you can use both the eizo and the wacom at the same time :) and you cant compare the picture of your eizo to the wacom because the eizo is 4k and the wacom is not. 4k is great, there is no sense to use a non 4k monitor anymore :) And yes drawing directly on screen works better for illustrators than retouchers :) Btw fantastic photo on your screen, it's one of your best :) I just noticed at first you had a cropped image on your screen, the cropped version is even better than the full image I think
Good job Karl, very useful when choosing rather expensive tool. However it seems a little bit unfair to compare two units with different resolutions. Eizo 4K vs current Cintiq Pro DTK(H)-3220 UHD would be the same category. One interesting thing in new Cintiq Pro line is Wacom Cintiq Pro Engine, an AiO computer to snap on the back of screen (2 versions available: i5 or Xeon on the board).
Hi Maciej, I totally agree but I can only compare what I own based on my experience, no one sends us this stuff, this was just my personal workflow decisions. Thanks for watching.
Well his main issue with the Cintiq is not the resolution, it’s the colour reproduction/accuracy, visibility of his image while working, viewing angles and portability. 4K would not level the playing field much in any of those issues.
Good thing I haven't bought any large cintiqs, Ill stick to my tablet. Professionals still go back full circle to a tablet.
Thanks Karl, is this the medium or large Wacom tablet that you use here?
Hi Rebekah, I use the medium
@@VisualEducationStudio Thank you!
I would love to see the BenQ and ASUS vs the Eizo as well! NEC is another
I want to make that video! I have a 4K BenQ and would be super curious to compare it to the new Cintiq Pros.
Karl,
I had the Cintiq 27QHD for a couple of years. I recently upgraded to the Cintiq 32" 4K version. I have to say it is a huge improvement over the original 27QHD. It may not be to the level of the Eizo, but definitely worth another look. The accuracy, richness and view angle are also markedly improved. Having used pen tablets for years for retouching, I absolutely love using the Cintiq and retouching right on the screen.
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hi Karl, is this monitor is still pro level in 2021 to purchase?
No, they have a 4K version now of the Wacom.
@@VisualEducationStudio ok, would you please let me know what Eino monitor shroud I buy for best features you recommend?
perhaps the video is 2 years old but with the new Cintiq you have the 4k and you can not compare drawing on a Cintiq and intuse at all, the Cintiq is more accurate and allows you to see with your own eye where and what you're drawing,
Not fair, because your cameraman is never straight on to the Cintique screen, so we can see its true color.
Hi Karl awesome comparison, but I think that Eizo monitor is a bit to low for the good ergonomics.
Hi Karl, you can send me your cintiq to gain space on your desk :)
How about iMac Pro screen?
so far any MAC screen I have used I handed down to the front office admin desk. They usually suck. i.e 30" display screen. Waste of money for color and overall IQ.
EIZO is correctly pronounced as AY-ZO and not I-ZO or EE-ZO. It's pronounced just like you would pronounce the "ei" in the Japanese word sensei (sen-say). For reference see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eizo
I'll check that with my mate from Japan
Yeah, the Wacom tablet WITH 31 inch Eizo is "far more portable", than the 27 inch Wacom Intuos :))))))))))))
That's not of course what I meant (although it actually is). What I think I explained in the video is that I can easily take my tablet anywhere with me with my laptop it fits in my laptop bag, so at the very least I could continue working with it at home or away. If I only had a cintiq then it's not possible.
of course the eizo is way better!
The display sucks! I owned the Cintique 27 when it was new, it's nice but the colors and brightness sucks to honest, and that means you need a second monitor to check your colors for print. Besides that it looks dull and uninspiring to work with
Damn i could probably ruin every picture if i edit with Wacom tablet cause it look so desaturated in my eyes.
You need a Surface Studio
bad idea, that thing doesn't work well
He would have the same problem of drawing on the screen which he said he does not like.
@@vonkyk you own one?
@@WilliamPayneNZ you mean the parallax effect?
Surface Studio isn't usable in professional environment because of the glossy screen. Glossy screen is a big NO to professionals.
So ,can you let me have the wacom. Let me know and I'll send you my address so you can send it to me.😁
Ha Ha no we still use it for students or workshops to have a play and tutorials, I just don't use it for my commercial work anymore.
@@VisualEducationStudio 😂😂😂Fair enough,Love your tutorials.
So you see it one way, but you don't know how others will view it.
Of course it would be great to hear their points of view and maybe they could make a video too! :)
I had a cintic 27” for some months. What you didn’t talk about was the long movement of the pen when for example go to the panel to the right in photoshop. For me it was very irritated. So I went back to use a normal screen and my Wacom pro medium tablet. Surprise for me to see that you anyway use the mouse. I never use one in photoshop.... anyway thanks! Take care! Göran