Just an update on the Cintiq guys, the keyboard that pops up can be enlarged, you just drag it out. The laggy effect appears to be more down to running two screens off of my mac at the same time and that my macbook pro is 3 or 4 years old now so a faster graphics card in a newer machine should overcome this problem.
Good intro review. I was going to chime in about the lag, but you've nailed it. It certainly depends on the power of laptop/desktop its conncted to. I used it at studio, connected to a beefy windows 8 PC and couldn't detect a hint of lag. Plus as you said, you had the mac connected to two displays. Did it speed things up connected solo? (if you treid that) I personally didn't find it natural to retouch and perhaps it is better for gfx artists etc Perhaps I'm just use to using a normal tablet method. But it was a fancy gadget just to behold and use. Anyway thx for this. Keep it up.
Nearly pushed the button on one of these today but then saw there's a 16" Pro version coming out in Feb with 4K and better colour. Don't think I'd want a Cintiq as my main display so the 16" would suit my needs better as 2nd display. Great review.
You are my favorite teacher so it is no wonder you've done a fantastic job here. I look forward to more review videos from you in the future. Happy Holidays Karl
Hi Karl, Love your videos. Great job. Regarding the cintiq, just a simple question (I retouch using a wacom tablet and a good monitor)... do your arms (specially the pen holding arm) get tired because of the position? (it is not resting on the table as they usually are) thanks!
Enjoyed the vid Karl thank you, I just use a Wacom intous 4 for now, but I guess with the amount of workflow you do it all helps to cuts down on time. Merry Christmas Karl to you and your family.
Hi Karl, Was thinking a bout pulling the trigger on one of these. I already have an Eizo CG243 (same as yours i think) and an Intuous 4. Basically, do you think it's worth it ? Ask as you seemed to think about using the Intuous + Eizo toward the end of the review. Cheers, Simon Sharp
You're left handed! Awesome to see. I have never get used to switch from mouse to pen back to mouse in same workflow and using right hand for keyboard inputs
Hey Karl, thx for another great video, I apologize for my bad English, but I have a few questions, where have u purchased this screen and do you recommends it, or do you looking for something else? And what tools do you use to get the right colors on your monitor. Whats the best tools for screen calibration ? Have a happy new year. Best regards Trond Wiik
Hi Karl, I'm a freelance retoucher based in the Portland Oregon area of the U.S. I'm wondering if the new cintiq pro 16 might be a good portable retouching solution. It would be nice to have the freedom to travel, and yet remain productive. Not really feasible to drag a big monitor around. Have you or do you plan on reviewing that product?
It is huge, beautiful surface to work. I think it takes some time to be comfortable with. Me is the "mobile studio Pro" that interests me, as I am always on the go.
I love your videos, Karl. Thanks for sharing so much knowledge. I apologize if you've already answered this query and I'm just not finding it. I've seen you pull out the screen color calibrator (with a mind to print accuracy) in a few of your videos; any preferred brand for such a tool?
Jeffrey Puukka - That's an X-Rite I 1 Diapay Pro, monitor calibrator he is using. If you can afford it you should get the Color Munki Studio which replaced the color munki photo. You can use it to calibrate your monitor & printer & make a calibrated print profile for each paper/ printer combo you use if you print your own pics.
Just watched this - 2019. Loved it! Was feeling a bit grumpy but your video put me in a much better mood, especially the part about not finding the screws - god, we've all been there. I am a photographer and have not fallen in love with anything for post processing - ha, who has! Still, like your review and will keep at it. Thank you :)
Love the look of this. I've been working with the Intuos 4 for a few years now and thinking of an upgrade but having just invested in my own Hasselblad H5D I think it will be a while before an upgrade for the tablet! Still, don't think I'm doing too badly for equipment at the age of 23 though! Always an inspiration Karl and loving this vlog content too.
Karl Taylor similar story to yourself, working extremely hard since I was 16, got the 5DMKii a few years ago, loved it but moved back to medium format film for a while to hone my skill set and a H5D and 80mm came up for a unbeatable price that I couldn't say no to! Used it for 4 shoots so far and I can never imagine using another system as all my work is usually studio based fashion and portraiture! I'd love to know your thoughts on some images: www.ryanconduit.com
I used a broncolor Para 133. I have lots of great training videos on my website that show what I use, some of which come with lighting diagrams as well as our customer support service. Thank you.
What do you think about the screen size as a whole? Since most of the time the 27inch is almost right next to your face. Do you find it too big? Any headaches or anything? Have you thought about looking at their 16inch model with 4K display? Thanks.
From using the Wacom Cintiq, it is truly a good stylus experience, but the price is just too steep for what it offers, as they just tend to work as you would expect when using the stylus. The touch interface will work better on windows (my college has one). The problem is that it is priced higher than a high end gaming PC for what is basically a digitizer+ a display that performs in the range of a~$700 USD monitor (considering the 97% adobe RGB and low static contrast ratio, and response time).
Great video Karl (again)! :^) Just watched one of your older video's made in your previous studio, what a great space you now have! Do you miss the old studio sometimes?
No not at all, well maybe for a day when we finally left it (I was there for 10 years) but obviously with a bigger better new studio there isn't much to miss about the other one! :)
Karl it’s 2018 and I want to know what your thoughts are today in regards to the best tools for photo retouching ... is it the Wacom Cintique, or were you happy with the Wacom Intuos Pro ... or have you gone to the iPad Pro with Astropad? I’m a pro designer in search of the perfect set and am looking forward to your feedback now! 💞
Hey Karl! I need that Wacom intuos of yours. As you just picked it from the ground I assume that you're not using it. Send it to me and will come in use again. By the way! Lovely to see a vlog from you.
hello. a question.when calibrating the colors on ur mac book pro the colors appeared better. there were more contrast and generally better color. did u notice that or it was only me? thanks
That's just an anomaly of watching a video recording of a screen. Also mac screens always look brighter and more contrasty but that doesn't mean they are correct. For a calibrated screen you are looking for it to represent the reproduction to get in print.
I will add that today's mac screens are more for video editors than anyone else, and even so, there are the color deltas. Is my understanding that the NEC spectraviews are close to the Eizos and far less expensive.
Hey Karl, I think you are wrong in some points. From what I can see you have an older Eizo CG241 or CG243. These have a smaller color range than the newest Citiq and it depends a LOT on the calibration settings of both monitors especially when you work with two different calibration programs. And the biggest point in retouching is that you should be able to work on your computer all day. Working on the horizontal screen is very tiring. You see the reflections of your room in a lor more angles than in your Eizo. Maybe you shold better get a newr Eizo. I prefer my CG248 and work on a CG277 as second screen. Third screen is an older CG241.
Hi Hartmut, my Eizo is an older one, I think it's about 3 years old but the picture is definitely better than the Cintiq. I have the two side by side as you can see in the video and having tested several images I can see that the gamut is not as great and there is banding appearing on graduated tones on the cintiq. Both screens have been calibrated. I agree that you should be able to work all day and yes comfort is very important so for that point the cintiq does win.
Have you been using wacom tablets before this? There is an ongoing issue with the wacom driver on mac os using photoshop where the modifier key shortcuts in photoshop become "sticky" eg alt key sticks on, and thats even when using a keyboard. Its plaguing me and its infuriating, just wondering if you've experienced this? I do about 8 hrs retouching a day and this is costing me a fair bit of time
I've been using a Wacom Intuos for years but have never experienced the problem you are describing. I don't use the wacom keys, i've only used the keyboard shortcuts in conjunction with the tablet.
it seems to be fairly widespread, its been an issue for about 8 months now, and it affects presses of a keyboard too, i dont use the wacom keys either, you are very lucky not to have this issue as its unbelievably annoying if you like to work fast with the clone stamp, brush, or burn, using the alt key to sample.
honestly before buying a product I do a lot of research and watch as many reviews as I can. starting to agree with what you said. it seems Graphics designers would enjoy this tablet. slowly starting to lose my confidence. please if you can someday make a follow-up video. do you feel it's really worth it? are you getting better results workflow much more easier and quickly much more comfortable to use than your standard wacom tablet?
I'll do a follow up no problem. I can say right now though that the image presentation and the visible perceivable quality on screen is everything to me and whilst this cintiq is better than a standard imac screen it isn't as good as an Eizo or NEC colour accurate monitor. There is no doubt that this cintiq performs brilliantly as a tablet where you can work directly on the screen which I think would be extremely useful to artists but I'm just not so sure it is as essential to retouchers. I need to see every detail of the image as perfectly as possible so I'll re-post when I've tested the Eizo 4K with a standard wacom. I'll be heading to Eizo in the new year to test one.
It looks great on the video but I've never seen or used one so I can't comment. The downside for me is that I also need to use my set up as a computer and it doesn't run MacOS.
Hello anyone here please help me!! I bought a second hand ergo stand for my Wacom Cintiq 27 Touch, but the 4 silver screws (of the silver and the black ones) are missing. I would love to mount the Cintiq, but I need to know the size of the missing screws. The pitch should be something like around 12mm, but I'm missing the width! Please, if anyone has them in handy and could tell me the size, I'd be very grateful! THANK YOU :=)
Happy Holidays. Great video Karl. I think you're gonna need some more time working with and getting used to all the features before you actually see an overall increase in productivity. Nonetheless I do think it's a good investment. Should you do more product reviews. IMHO only if manufacturers are gonna pay you or give you products for free. You have given so much inspiration and knowledge to photographers worldwide many of whom have opt to use the products you use in your studio and on shoots. So it's fair to say that you've in many ways increased camera and accessory sales for manufacturers such as Canon etc and as such should be compensated should you decide to invest more of your time "advertising" for them.
IPad Pro 12" with Apple Pen and Affinity Photo for iPad (not available yet as of this post 12/23/2016) or Pixelmator or Adobe. Very responsive and highly mobile. Now when you have the iPad with a Mac you can use Astropad with Adobe CC.
Karl Taylor Could you share more detail as to the sluggishness? Like what was used and done? I'd like to see if I can replicate the issue on my end. Thanks in advance!
Can't wait for Affinity Photo for iPad. Astropad very good but sluggish if not using a cable. Using WiFi it is sluggish but if you use the lightning cable, it's certainly usable.
I would never consider it on location it's purely a high end retouching solution for my studio that I'm looking for. I think the Eizo 4K screen and a normal wacom tablet is going to be the ultimate solution.
I agree, the hand and the brain get used to the normal Wacom, it can be complicated at the begining as is not relative like a mouse but one you use it for a while it becomes second nature.
Yes it could be that but I've also tried the touch feature without the Eizo plugged in and it still didn't feel as responsive as say an ipad. But my laptop is 3.5 years old so maybe it needs more processing power?
You would need a better GPU. Laptops have them either in the CPU chip (integrated graphics) or separate (more powerful). Perhaps try it out with newer hardware or a desktop to see if that makes any difference. I would be very surprised if this really is wacom's hardware, that lag is what I consider unusable or barely usable.
Yes right, the Cintiq is more made for Artists, is a bit overdone tool for retouching, but when you really need to retouch so much that you have to create by yourself photography, it would be justified. To digital paint with this is very nice and to create 3D-Models and other CGI. Professional Photographing / Retouching is these days more and more blending into digital paint.
I'm wondering you're still doing this setup or moved back to normal screen setup? Because I kinda see you're having the same struggle as I do. Half way the video your basically still doing 80% with your mouse and keyboard and you end up just doing only the actual strokes on the Cintiq. Which for me most of the time makes me just endup with my normal wacom tablet, because taking the cintiq out only for those few brush strokes is too much effort
Great video Karl, however, I can't help but think that this system is more expensive than the top spec Microsoft studio with less performance and more hassle. Having said that at least this way you can stay within the Apple eco-system I guess, which does seem to be fading for professionals.
I think it's actually less than the microsoft studio. I saw another review where artists were comparing the studio to the wacom and they said the studio wasn't as responsive but the screen was better. My problem is the studio doesn't run MacOS and all our studio are on mac devices / network etc. It's a damn shame apple haven't been able to keep pace with microsoft and produce something similar.
***** I should clarify I mean the system as a whole as in macbook plus wacom, because the Studio is a full integrated computer system. I agree, for you (individually) the fact that it's lacking macOS is an issue however I'm starting to see Apple as a less and less viable option for professional use. I haven't come across issues in terms of responsiveness, I think I might look into that before making any purchases.
***** Well not that's true at all is it. Also being an accountant still requires creativity and vice versa. Life isn't black and white and tools can be used for various purposes in many different ways. Also, maybe there is a difference between a creative professional vs being just a creative. Lastly I wonder which platform is more open a free. Freedom being a major feature of creativity.
i want to buy a Graphic Tablet for photo editing only..i never buy it before....can you suggest me,which one can be best for me..? my budget is US 50$-150$...thank you
That's probably coming in one of our next vlogs. We also have in-depth retouching tutorials complete with image files and customer support available on our website.
This product is so old now and the technology is so out of date. Why not wait for the new wacom cintiq pro? It has actual 4 k resolution and you'll also take the advantages of the new pro pen 2
Technically, this would be your Surface Studio for Mac. IF ONLY the Surface Studio has Wacom digitizer (and a kaby lake chipset, and a GTX1080, and more RAM, and...) .... IT'LL BE PERFECT!
***** Despite me being a photographer, I really don't find any reasons to switch to MacOS. They say it's fluid, good for creative stuff, bla bla bla... But I just don't seem get the point. My windows desktop is performing well and my Razer Blade 14 is awesome as well for my work. But yah, I can see myself using the Surface Studio... IF IT HAD BETTER SPECS :(
I had a long argument with someone on why a Mac is better than a Windows laptop if one is using the same software like Lightroom, Photoshop and Premiere. He had not one good reason. Who cares as long as you get your work done.
Haven't tried one yet, at first I was a bit dubious about this strip bar it seemed a bit gimmicky, others have said it's useful. This whole thing with connection ports incompatibility looks like a pain in the ass, as does losing the magsafe power connector. The only problem is I may have to look at one if I want to run a 4K monitor as my older macbook won't do it. I saw Casey Neistat had a funny review of it on his channel.
Grrrr a touchscreen that isnt as responsive as a modern ipad or smartphone. This product seems amazing. But i just cant do it. That laggy response would drive me insane.
Many people opt for the non touch version which is cheaper. To be fair the main purpose of one of these is not the touch feature and I haven't really tried to figure out what the issue with it was as I just turned it off and got on with retouching. If I discover more i'll re-post something.
Karl Taylor By the way I'm loving the new Vlog style videos. The Casey Neistat sort of vibe really adds a whole new and exciting depth and dimension to your production. That mix of real life off the cuff and slick video production makes it feel very genuine and fluid. Your an inspiration. Thanks and Merry Xmas Karl.
All the reviews I read said the surface wasn't as responsive as the Wacom, also the surface only runs microsoft and I need to run mac as all our systems are mac.
The Hasselblad costs about $23K at full retail and I've been using the H system for over 12 years. When I purchased my first Hasselblad it made excellent economical sense because my photography business was spending at least $20K per year on film, polaroids and processing, so it was a no brainer. Following that Hasselblad have a very good trade up programme so I have upgraded my H models every few years. You must remember it isn't really about cost, this is a business and these are tools to do a job. It's hard to understand if your job doesn't warrant it but my job does. Try to think of it as a builder who needs a $20K truck at $20K in tools to offer the services that he does. If there was something cheaper that did the job i needed then I would use it because I'm not that stupid that I would waste my money when I could buy a bigger boat instead. Yes I have a lot of broncolor lighting and again it is a tool to do a job, I get a bit of discount now from bron and hasselblad as I'm an ambassador for both companies but that wouldn't change things I'd still need the equipment that I have. Other photographers operate differently and only rent the equipment but that doesn't suit the way I work. The other and most important thing to remember because your comment sounds a little vindictive, so remember this: I started with nothing, I worked 3 jobs just to buy my first Canon camera and lenses and then over 25 years I grew my business. When I first opened my studio I took a large bank loan which I paid off over many years. Now I'm in a good position but only through a lot of hard work. None of this just landed in my lap.
As you have said, nothing worth your while will fall into your lap without dedication over the years. Btw Karl, I am a big fan of your work, your vids are always interesting for the viewers.Thanks for that, I hope you keep up the good work, it is a great inspiration!
hi Karl. Here is a suggestion if you look for professional 4k monitor. The Samsung 32” UHD (3840 x 2160) Ultra High Definition 4K Monitor 99.5% Adobe RGB and 100% sRGB Color Compliance. One of the key standout future. On request half of the display can project RGB An the next half SRGB at the same time. I'm sure you understand
It's a great display aim towards professionals only. Price at 1300 usd. Do some research and UA-cam research. At the end of the day I'm sure you will come to a conclusion that this is a serious monitor to consider. Keep in mind Samsung is one of the top three display manufacturers in the world. Supplying years of display for apple themselves
I think you should have watched the whole video and then you would have found that there was a pretty good review of a person's first hand experience of using this device for what it was intended. I based this after using it for a week and working on several retouches that you see at the end of the video.
Just an update on the Cintiq guys, the keyboard that pops up can be enlarged, you just drag it out. The laggy effect appears to be more down to running two screens off of my mac at the same time and that my macbook pro is 3 or 4 years old now so a faster graphics card in a newer machine should overcome this problem.
Good intro review. I was going to chime in about the lag, but you've nailed it. It certainly depends on the power of laptop/desktop its conncted to. I used it at studio, connected to a beefy windows 8 PC and couldn't detect a hint of lag. Plus as you said, you had the mac connected to two displays. Did it speed things up connected solo? (if you treid that)
I personally didn't find it natural to retouch and perhaps it is better for gfx artists etc
Perhaps I'm just use to using a normal tablet method. But it was a fancy gadget just to behold and use.
Anyway thx for this. Keep it up.
Nearly pushed the button on one of these today but then saw there's a 16" Pro version coming out in Feb with 4K and better colour. Don't think I'd want a Cintiq as my main display so the 16" would suit my needs better as 2nd display. Great review.
THanks for the review Karl. I hope you enjoy the new gear. Personally I love my small Wacom Tablet. It will do for me at present.
You are my favorite teacher so it is no wonder you've done a fantastic job here. I look forward to more review videos from you in the future. Happy Holidays Karl
Thanks Kevin. Happy Holidays.
Hmmm, never thought of using cintiq as a primary....got a lot of ideas from your set up--thanks!
Nice video! How did you connect the additional monitor to your Macbook Pro along with your Cintiq?
Hi Karl,
Love your videos. Great job.
Regarding the cintiq, just a simple question (I retouch using a wacom tablet and a good monitor)... do your arms (specially the pen holding arm) get tired because of the position? (it is not resting on the table as they usually are)
thanks!
Great Job Karl...! thanks for the upload.
Enjoyed the vid Karl thank you, I just use a Wacom intous 4 for now, but I guess with the amount of workflow you do it all helps to cuts down on time. Merry Christmas Karl to you and your family.
thank you and to you too.
Great review!! Thanks Karl.
Hi Karl, Was thinking a bout pulling the trigger on one of these. I already have an Eizo CG243 (same as yours i think) and an Intuous 4. Basically, do you think it's worth it ? Ask as you seemed to think about using the Intuous + Eizo toward the end of the review. Cheers, Simon Sharp
Congratulation for your new Wacom Cintiq!! Amazing!! and...Merry Christmas!! I've just read of it on Amazon!!
what model of your primary monitor?
You're left handed! Awesome to see. I have never get used to switch from mouse to pen back to mouse in same workflow and using right hand for keyboard inputs
What size is this? Sorry if I missed it in the video. Currently looking at the 24 but the 32 looks nice 😊
Hi Karl, are you still using the Cintiq and if so what do you think know, thank you
Hey Karl, thx for another great video, I apologize for my bad English, but I have a few questions, where have u purchased this screen and do you recommends it, or do you looking for something else? And what tools do you use to get the right colors on your monitor. Whats the best tools for screen calibration ? Have a happy new year. Best regards Trond Wiik
Hi NorwayInPhoto - you need to watch my vlog episode 008
Hi Karl, I'm a freelance retoucher based in the Portland Oregon area of the U.S. I'm wondering if the new cintiq pro 16 might be a good portable retouching solution. It would be nice to have the freedom to travel, and yet remain productive. Not really feasible to drag a big monitor around. Have you or do you plan on reviewing that product?
It is huge, beautiful surface to work. I think it takes some time to be comfortable with. Me is the "mobile studio Pro" that interests me, as I am always on the go.
I love your videos, Karl. Thanks for sharing so much knowledge. I apologize if you've already answered this query and I'm just not finding it. I've seen you pull out the screen color calibrator (with a mind to print accuracy) in a few of your videos; any preferred brand for such a tool?
Jeffrey Puukka - That's an X-Rite I 1 Diapay Pro, monitor calibrator he is using. If you can afford it you should get the Color Munki Studio which replaced the color munki photo. You can use it to calibrate your monitor & printer & make a calibrated print profile for each paper/ printer combo you use if you print your own pics.
Just watched this - 2019. Loved it! Was feeling a bit grumpy but your video put me in a much better mood, especially the part about not finding the screws - god, we've all been there. I am a photographer and have not fallen in love with anything for post processing - ha, who has! Still, like your review and will keep at it. Thank you :)
Hi Becky also check out my more recent review comparing the Eizo to the Wacom and the Asus vs the Eizo
This is completely related to graphical power in the Macbook pro in regards to the Lag on screen. A upto date MBP would probably nail that issue!
What chair is this Karl ?
Love the look of this.
I've been working with the Intuos 4 for a few years now and thinking of an upgrade but having just invested in my own Hasselblad H5D I think it will be a while before an upgrade for the tablet!
Still, don't think I'm doing too badly for equipment at the age of 23 though!
Always an inspiration Karl and loving this vlog content too.
Sounds like you are doing well. All the best.
Karl Taylor similar story to yourself, working extremely hard since I was 16, got the 5DMKii a few years ago, loved it but moved back to medium format film for a while to hone my skill set and a H5D and 80mm came up for a unbeatable price that I couldn't say no to! Used it for 4 shoots so far and I can never imagine using another system as all my work is usually studio based fashion and portraiture! I'd love to know your thoughts on some images: www.ryanconduit.com
Looks great! I love the last image you showed, what diffuser did you use? do you have any bts/lighting diagram I can have a look at?
Thanks!
I used a broncolor Para 133. I have lots of great training videos on my website that show what I use, some of which come with lighting diagrams as well as our customer support service. Thank you.
Thanks! I've purchased 2 of your video courses, loved them! I'll have a look on the website as well thank you!
Thanks Stefano, if you have any further questions re the lighting setup then raise a support ticket and i'll be happy to answer them.
wt plug in u use ?
What do you think about the screen size as a whole? Since most of the time the 27inch is almost right next to your face. Do you find it too big? Any headaches or anything? Have you thought about looking at their 16inch model with 4K display? Thanks.
No it's not to big, I really like the size it gives you plenty of desktop space.
From using the Wacom Cintiq, it is truly a good stylus experience, but the price is just too steep for what it offers, as they just tend to work as you would expect when using the stylus. The touch interface will work better on windows (my college has one). The problem is that it is priced higher than a high end gaming PC for what is basically a digitizer+ a display that performs in the range of a~$700 USD monitor (considering the 97% adobe RGB and low static contrast ratio, and response time).
Great video Karl (again)! :^)
Just watched one of your older video's made in your previous studio, what a great space you now have! Do you miss the old studio sometimes?
No not at all, well maybe for a day when we finally left it (I was there for 10 years) but obviously with a bigger better new studio there isn't much to miss about the other one! :)
Karl it’s 2018 and I want to know what your thoughts are today in regards to the best tools for photo retouching ... is it the Wacom Cintique, or were you happy with the Wacom Intuos Pro ... or have you gone to the iPad Pro with Astropad? I’m a pro designer in search of the perfect set and am looking forward to your feedback now! 💞
I'll be making an update video on this in the next week or so and I've changed my setup again!
i see a casey neistat style of video editing. but i love it. amazing review 👍🏼
Hi! Where can I buy this?
Thank you :)
Thanks for the honest review! Did you wear the same clothes all weekend, or are you like Homer Simpson?
Hey Karl! I need that Wacom intuos of yours. As you just picked it from the ground I assume that you're not using it. Send it to me and will come in use again. By the way! Lovely to see a vlog from you.
hello. a question.when calibrating the colors on ur mac book pro the colors appeared better. there were more contrast and generally better color. did u notice that or it was only me? thanks
That's just an anomaly of watching a video recording of a screen. Also mac screens always look brighter and more contrasty but that doesn't mean they are correct. For a calibrated screen you are looking for it to represent the reproduction to get in print.
I will add that today's mac screens are more for video editors than anyone else, and even so, there are the color deltas. Is my understanding that the NEC spectraviews are close to the Eizos and far less expensive.
The touch function can be remove? I don't want the touch function be active when I draw.
Yes it can be removed, please see the more recent review video on my Chanel.
you are great sir
The new windows surface might be good
That is really nice.
Is it worth getting the one with the touch screen?
I'm not that into them anymore, I went back to a tablet and pen with an Eizo screen
What about your arms? Did you feel tired, when they are little bit higher and if you work more than 1 or 2 hours.
No not at all as your forearm rests on the screen. I did a 3-4 hour retouch and it felt absolutely fine.
Great Video Karl as always, Hope you had a great Christmas and a happy New Year for 2017 looking forward to more tutorials and courses. Ian
Thanks Ian, happy new year to you too.
Dell Canvas 27" the best choice thinner and better resolution..
Have you try the Surface Studio before? I'm interested on this device.
No I haven't as it doesn't run MacOS
It run by Microsoft OS.
Compared to an IMac 5k?
Are you still using the Wacom Cintiq since you pointed out the cons you didn't like and if so what all do you use it for?
Yes still using it but i'm arranging to try an Eizo 4k with my old tablet to compare which is best for my workflow.
Sorry to dig up an old video, but what's the verdict? Wacom Cintiq or monitor with Wacom tablet.
Hi Brendan, I have a new video on the final verdict coming very soon
Which cintiq is this. You said it's not 4k. The cintiq pros are. I'm considering a cintiq pro 24
hey Carl..
which camera is best whether Nikon d3200 or canon 700d ?
Eizo is the best, no doubt, we use it in the studio, but I can't believe it's better than a 27 inch 5K I-mac
The Imac screens are just too contrasty and glossy. The Eizo 4K monitors are much much better.
Yes definitely, but I doubt the Wacom is better than the 5k Imac.
Do you calibrated your iMac and MacBook Pro?
Hey Karl, I think you are wrong in some points. From what I can see you have an older Eizo CG241 or CG243. These have a smaller color range than the newest Citiq and it depends a LOT on the calibration settings of both monitors especially when you work with two different calibration programs. And the biggest point in retouching is that you should be able to work on your computer all day. Working on the horizontal screen is very tiring. You see the reflections of your room in a lor more angles than in your Eizo. Maybe you shold better get a newr Eizo. I prefer my CG248 and work on a CG277 as second screen. Third screen is an older CG241.
Hi Hartmut, my Eizo is an older one, I think it's about 3 years old but the picture is definitely better than the Cintiq. I have the two side by side as you can see in the video and having tested several images I can see that the gamut is not as great and there is banding appearing on graduated tones on the cintiq. Both screens have been calibrated. I agree that you should be able to work all day and yes comfort is very important so for that point the cintiq does win.
Have you been using wacom tablets before this? There is an ongoing issue with the wacom driver on mac os using photoshop where the modifier key shortcuts in photoshop become "sticky" eg alt key sticks on, and thats even when using a keyboard. Its plaguing me and its infuriating, just wondering if you've experienced this? I do about 8 hrs retouching a day and this is costing me a fair bit of time
I've been using a Wacom Intuos for years but have never experienced the problem you are describing. I don't use the wacom keys, i've only used the keyboard shortcuts in conjunction with the tablet.
it seems to be fairly widespread, its been an issue for about 8 months now, and it affects presses of a keyboard too, i dont use the wacom keys either, you are very lucky not to have this issue as its unbelievably annoying if you like to work fast with the clone stamp, brush, or burn, using the alt key to sample.
I'm sure you have since found out you can make the on screen keyboard any size by dragging it outwards
did you consider the new Microsoft surface pro? or is that not even in the same league?
Please see an earlier comment
Cool tablet/pc, you lucky dog.
Karl, how did you bought your first Hasselblad? They are extremely expensive!!!!!
Hi Dan please see the reply to 'bendeize' comment thread.
The detail at 9.02, Jeez :O
honestly before buying a product I do a lot of research and watch as many reviews as I can. starting to agree with what you said. it seems Graphics designers would enjoy this tablet. slowly starting to lose my confidence. please if you can someday make a follow-up video. do you feel it's really worth it? are you getting better results workflow much more easier and quickly much more comfortable to use than your standard wacom tablet?
I'll do a follow up no problem. I can say right now though that the image presentation and the visible perceivable quality on screen is everything to me and whilst this cintiq is better than a standard imac screen it isn't as good as an Eizo or NEC colour accurate monitor. There is no doubt that this cintiq performs brilliantly as a tablet where you can work directly on the screen which I think would be extremely useful to artists but I'm just not so sure it is as essential to retouchers. I need to see every detail of the image as perfectly as possible so I'll re-post when I've tested the Eizo 4K with a standard wacom. I'll be heading to Eizo in the new year to test one.
What do you think bout the Microsoft surface studio?
It looks great on the video but I've never seen or used one so I can't comment. The downside for me is that I also need to use my set up as a computer and it doesn't run MacOS.
Thanks
It doesn't have tilt support either which is a bit of a shame.
Hello anyone here please help me!! I bought a second hand ergo stand for my Wacom Cintiq 27 Touch, but the 4 silver screws (of the silver and the black ones) are missing. I would love to mount the Cintiq, but I need to know the size of the missing screws. The pitch should be something like around 12mm, but I'm missing the width! Please, if anyone has them in handy and could tell me the size, I'd be very grateful! THANK YOU :=)
Happy Holidays. Great video Karl. I think you're gonna need some more time working with and getting used to all the features before you actually see an overall increase in productivity. Nonetheless I do think it's a good investment. Should you do more product reviews. IMHO only if manufacturers are gonna pay you or give you products for free. You have given so much inspiration and knowledge to photographers worldwide many of whom have opt to use the products you use in your studio and on shoots. So it's fair to say that you've in many ways increased camera and accessory sales for manufacturers such as Canon etc and as such should be compensated should you decide to invest more of your time "advertising" for them.
Thank you kreygscott, have a good holiday too.
IPad Pro 12" with Apple Pen and Affinity Photo for iPad (not available yet as of this post 12/23/2016) or Pixelmator or Adobe. Very responsive and highly mobile. Now when you have the iPad with a Mac you can use Astropad with Adobe CC.
I tried the Ipad app and it was very sluggish, as I said in this video I think I may go back to my standard Wacom tablet but with a 4K monitor.
Karl Taylor Could you share more detail as to the sluggishness? Like what was used and done? I'd like to see if I can replicate the issue on my end. Thanks in advance!
I'll check and come back to you, I'm not at work at the moment.
Karl Taylor Could the lag be associated with running the EIZO? Takes a lot of resources to run those two big screens.
Can't wait for Affinity Photo for iPad. Astropad very good but sluggish if not using a cable. Using WiFi it is sluggish but if you use the lightning cable, it's certainly usable.
Btw, AstroPad is an app. All that is way less than the Cintiq. Which itself is a desktop paper weight when you're on location.
I would never consider it on location it's purely a high end retouching solution for my studio that I'm looking for. I think the Eizo 4K screen and a normal wacom tablet is going to be the ultimate solution.
Karl Taylor definitely can't go wrong with that setup for retouching!
I agree, the hand and the brain get used to the normal Wacom, it can be complicated at the begining as is not relative like a mouse but one you use it for a while it becomes second nature.
Is there a firmware update to get rid of the lag?
Pretty sure this is his apple laptop not being able to keep up displaying 3 separate screens at the same time (wacom, eizo and it's own).
Yes it could be that but I've also tried the touch feature without the Eizo plugged in and it still didn't feel as responsive as say an ipad. But my laptop is 3.5 years old so maybe it needs more processing power?
Karl Taylor awesome and thanks for the reply
You would need a better GPU. Laptops have them either in the CPU chip (integrated graphics) or separate (more powerful). Perhaps try it out with newer hardware or a desktop to see if that makes any difference.
I would be very surprised if this really is wacom's hardware, that lag is what I consider unusable or barely usable.
OK cheers.
its good...
Yes right, the Cintiq is more made for Artists, is a bit overdone tool for retouching, but when you really need to retouch so much that you have to create by yourself photography, it would be justified. To digital paint with this is very nice and to create 3D-Models and other CGI. Professional Photographing / Retouching is these days more and more blending into digital paint.
I'm wondering you're still doing this setup or moved back to normal screen setup? Because I kinda see you're having the same struggle as I do. Half way the video your basically still doing 80% with your mouse and keyboard and you end up just doing only the actual strokes on the Cintiq. Which for me most of the time makes me just endup with my normal wacom tablet, because taking the cintiq out only for those few brush strokes is too much effort
Hi I've gone back to an Eizo and a wacom tablet.
What does it cost? That lag looked horrible. Amazing image by the way at 9:15
Thanks it was about £1700 with the stand I think, the stand is separate and costs about £200
Great video Karl, however, I can't help but think that this system is more expensive than the top spec Microsoft studio with less performance and more hassle. Having said that at least this way you can stay within the Apple eco-system I guess, which does seem to be fading for professionals.
I think it's actually less than the microsoft studio. I saw another review where artists were comparing the studio to the wacom and they said the studio wasn't as responsive but the screen was better. My problem is the studio doesn't run MacOS and all our studio are on mac devices / network etc. It's a damn shame apple haven't been able to keep pace with microsoft and produce something similar.
***** I should clarify I mean the system as a whole as in macbook plus wacom, because the Studio is a full integrated computer system.
I agree, for you (individually) the fact that it's lacking macOS is an issue however I'm starting to see Apple as a less and less viable option for professional use.
I haven't come across issues in terms of responsiveness, I think I might look into that before making any purchases.
***** Well not that's true at all is it. Also being an accountant still requires creativity and vice versa. Life isn't black and white and tools can be used for various purposes in many different ways.
Also, maybe there is a difference between a creative professional vs being just a creative.
Lastly I wonder which platform is more open a free. Freedom being a major feature of creativity.
i want to buy a Graphic Tablet for photo editing only..i never buy it before....can you suggest me,which one can be best for me..?
my budget is US 50$-150$...thank you
Show us how you edit/retouch your portraits
That's probably coming in one of our next vlogs. We also have in-depth retouching tutorials complete with image files and customer support available on our website.
This product is so old now and the technology is so out of date. Why not wait for the new wacom cintiq pro? It has actual 4 k resolution and you'll also take the advantages of the new pro pen 2
This is the Cintiq pro 24
maybe not...
Technically, this would be your Surface Studio for Mac. IF ONLY the Surface Studio has Wacom digitizer (and a kaby lake chipset, and a GTX1080, and more RAM, and...) .... IT'LL BE PERFECT!
***** Despite me being a photographer, I really don't find any reasons to switch to MacOS. They say it's fluid, good for creative stuff, bla bla bla... But I just don't seem get the point. My windows desktop is performing well and my Razer Blade 14 is awesome as well for my work.
But yah, I can see myself using the Surface Studio... IF IT HAD BETTER SPECS :(
I had a long argument with someone on why a Mac is better than a Windows laptop if one is using the same software like Lightroom, Photoshop and Premiere. He had not one good reason. Who cares as long as you get your work done.
You need a surface studio
I would if it was a little more responsive like the wacom and if it ran macOS
Karl Taylor Nice bit of kit there. What do you think if the new MacBook Pro's
Haven't tried one yet, at first I was a bit dubious about this strip bar it seemed a bit gimmicky, others have said it's useful. This whole thing with connection ports incompatibility looks like a pain in the ass, as does losing the magsafe power connector. The only problem is I may have to look at one if I want to run a 4K monitor as my older macbook won't do it. I saw Casey Neistat had a funny review of it on his channel.
Why dont you just use i-Pad?
Imagine the harm to your eyes with this big screen.
Grrrr a touchscreen that isnt as responsive as a modern ipad or smartphone. This product seems amazing. But i just cant do it. That laggy response would drive me insane.
Many people opt for the non touch version which is cheaper. To be fair the main purpose of one of these is not the touch feature and I haven't really tried to figure out what the issue with it was as I just turned it off and got on with retouching. If I discover more i'll re-post something.
Karl Taylor By the way I'm loving the new Vlog style videos. The Casey Neistat sort of vibe really adds a whole new and exciting depth and dimension to your production. That mix of real life off the cuff and slick video production makes it feel very genuine and fluid. Your an inspiration. Thanks and Merry Xmas Karl.
Thank you, spread the word as we rely on the popularity of the videos to be able to continue doing them, thanks. All the best for xmas.
i like Wacom Cintiq but not money buy
You should try the Microsoft Surface. Check it out.
That is teh best for this purpose, little bit pricey but definetley worth each cents.
All the reviews I read said the surface wasn't as responsive as the Wacom, also the surface only runs microsoft and I need to run mac as all our systems are mac.
bendeize
pricey? this guy has $100k worth of broncolor equipment if not more. And lets not forget his $80k hasselblad :/
The Hasselblad costs about $23K at full retail and I've been using the H system for over 12 years. When I purchased my first Hasselblad it made excellent economical sense because my photography business was spending at least $20K per year on film, polaroids and processing, so it was a no brainer. Following that Hasselblad have a very good trade up programme so I have upgraded my H models every few years. You must remember it isn't really about cost, this is a business and these are tools to do a job. It's hard to understand if your job doesn't warrant it but my job does. Try to think of it as a builder who needs a $20K truck at $20K in tools to offer the services that he does. If there was something cheaper that did the job i needed then I would use it because I'm not that stupid that I would waste my money when I could buy a bigger boat instead. Yes I have a lot of broncolor lighting and again it is a tool to do a job, I get a bit of discount now from bron and hasselblad as I'm an ambassador for both companies but that wouldn't change things I'd still need the equipment that I have. Other photographers operate differently and only rent the equipment but that doesn't suit the way I work. The other and most important thing to remember because your comment sounds a little vindictive, so remember this: I started with nothing, I worked 3 jobs just to buy my first Canon camera and lenses and then over 25 years I grew my business. When I first opened my studio I took a large bank loan which I paid off over many years. Now I'm in a good position but only through a lot of hard work. None of this just landed in my lap.
As you have said, nothing worth your while will fall into your lap without dedication over the years. Btw Karl, I am a big fan of your work, your vids are always interesting for the viewers.Thanks for that, I hope you keep up the good work, it is a great inspiration!
thanks Ruud the Diamond
hi Karl. Here is a suggestion if you look for professional 4k monitor. The Samsung 32” UHD (3840 x 2160) Ultra High Definition 4K Monitor 99.5% Adobe RGB and 100% sRGB Color Compliance. One of the key standout future. On request half of the display can project RGB An the next half SRGB at the same time. I'm sure you understand
The specs sound impressive
It's a great display aim towards professionals only. Price at 1300 usd. Do some research and UA-cam research. At the end of the day I'm sure you will come to a conclusion that this is a serious monitor to consider. Keep in mind Samsung is one of the top three display manufacturers in the world. Supplying years of display for apple themselves
液タブの本体だけ持ってるんだけど、買って３日目でキズつけてしまったゾ。小さなキズだけどめっちゃ気になって死にたい
ちなみに買ってから３ヶ月後に24と32の4K対応のやつ発売されて尚死ぬ
Laggy = not for me.
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Voice control would be cool.
Microsoft Surface Studio is much better than this
"I think this does that", I didnt actually read the instructions".... more like an eager amateur's unboxing video than a review?
I think you should have watched the whole video and then you would have found that there was a pretty good review of a person's first hand experience of using this device for what it was intended. I based this after using it for a week and working on several retouches that you see at the end of the video.