Respect for posting this so quickly. It's nice to see that I am not alone in my frustration. I spent a hefty amount in pentamelding and purchasing some last-minute mats, but with the prices how they are now, I am definitely taking a huge loss. Can't believe how bad the undercutting was, I'm just dumb founded that some folks would willing give up millions in profit just to have their items sell "quicker".
I dont think undercuting is the problem. The demand is just not there. Even with gear being like 300k now most of the items didnt sell more than 30 pieces on my server
@@igneel1992 It's because the crafted gear just isn't that much better than what we already had. Combine that with the fact that everyone who actually cared already bought commissions
The issue with hoping people don't undercut is that it's classic prisoners' dilemma. Either everyone is in on it, or it falls apart. There are just too many people to hope and plead with to not aggressively undercut and it really just takes a couple doing it for the masses to follow. It's not a realistic goal or request, sadly.
Also the fact that people are biased toward there own experience. They are more then happy to always buy the cheapest price. But get mad when somebody undercuts them. It's just a different strategy going for quantity over quality. Or maybe they are just dumb or just like selling things for cheap to help people out. Either way it is what it is.cant really do anything about it like you say.
I logged on early, looked at the price of Mats then looked at the price of fully crafted gear, Knew it wasn't worth it to craft so sold all my Mats early for good profit. Felt wrong doing it but made logical sense and glad I made the right decision.
Huge unseen reason, the buyers, im not gunna buy gear at 3-4 mil a pop when i know in 4-5 hours its gunna be 400k. people only pay what they thinks its worth. market demand is real as soon as it hit 500k on my server ppl started buying we have had patch drops for 5 expacs ppl know to wait now
To the undercutters on the MB -- Look at the sales history of items on the MB and see that that the demand is there for many items (tons of sales per hour). If the demand is there (eg. current price is 1million, last sales prices are also 1 million) there's no need to undercut the current price substantially. Knocking 10k-500k+ off of 1 million is SO unnecessary when ppl are buying at 1 million. If you undercut, keep it relatively close to the last price listed. Otherwise, you not only lose out on your own profit but you're hurting other players sales in the process and tanking the market.
problem is people dont understand that, i explained all of that almost word for word to my roommate, his response was "but i wanna sell faster", he literally doesnt understand lol, and there are many others out there like that. And on top of that, there are other content creators out there who have literally told their viewers to undercut. FurDaddy just isnt yet big enough to make that big of an influence
@@Kyndral22 but you gotta understand. normal prices on normal day for crafted gears are around 200k. only the launch inflate the price to 1m or 2m. with how many people crafting right now and every gil guide pointing the same thing. there is no way you can convince everybody to buy your crafted gear at 1m and no one undercutting it. furthermore raiders are broke on this game. you looking to sell to another omnicrafter that not gonna bother with crafting it, to gil buyer. the demand is simply not there.
You can't really blame people for undercutting in this situation. Supply/demand. It's up to the devs to make sure supply and crafting requirements are balanced. You can't expect people to hold a high price if the demand isn't matching the amount of supply :(
I'm mad at the other players this morning but what you say is very true. The devs let down a lot of people who worked very hard to be successful today. It's the same how raiders would be upset if they one shot every new boss
I'm not super big into crafting but I did make some HUGE profits today from gathering mats I stockpiled in the week before (mostly stuff from legendary nodes), selling off materia from from spiritbonding and then dumping 2000 aphorism tomestones into the new mats you can buy with them.
The whole undercutting thing comes down to FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) - for example you set you're price at say 1mil, then those ppl wanting quick sales undercut you, even if it's just by 1 gil, and more follow suit, you try to hold your ground, but after a day or two, that item is now an average of 200k, and yours never sells.
rather than calling it fomo. i gonna call the crafter that hoping it will sell for 1m each is stupid. i dont know how is it in their server. but during exarchic launch. its badically like this as well. why would they think its gonna be different.
@@jacobwebb5371 no. Some of the items are genuinely not easy to craft. Crafted gear isnt ever meant, nor needed for average players. Its meant to be Bis for savage raiders who need every stat and meld to pass checks. Thats why its expensive. If there are only 10 crafted pieces of armor, it should sell for a mil or more gil depending on difficulty.
@@kingchaosxd6510 its expensive because you people inflate the price at the launch. its a lot of work for sure. but still less work than gathering all the material. and better time investment for gil per hour. its just a lot of work you dont even need to pentameld all your gear to craft it.
By the time the influx of players occurred, there was no real way to makes millions of Gil. The number of players who wanted the equipment didn’t have a hundred million to drop on equipment.
You make a great point about the non crafted 580 gear losing it's value. Even for people who are not really into crafting, this basically makes a lot of the "grinding" to get the non crafted 580 gear kinda of a waste when you can just buy a set with better stats if you have some gil saved up
Indeed. I mean a lot of people were already sporting 580 Weapons and Accessories thanks to the Extremes for a few weeks now anyways, but the Pandaemonium Normal Gear already feels like Glamour Shopping
I kinda knew this was going to happen, I spent too much time on MB over the holidays and I saw how the current market is crazy, its a buyers market now the undercutting is too much. Thats when i decided to not level my crafter and im just gathering stuffs. And the reason why i do that is, gathering is easy, you do other stuffs while whacking those rocks and trees. So if you get undercut, meh, i spent very little effort to it. You dont even need pentamelds to gather and its quick. Less risky than crafting especially when you buy the limited mats from tomes, that could be the point where you will lose money bcs people undercut your gears to the point where you lost more buying mats than you make. If people undercut my gathering mats like crazy, i can just hold on to them since mats are always going to be needed. If its undercut by 50% im still gonna sell them due to how easy it is to get them. It keeps my sanity in check. Not much but its honest work while avoiding getting undercut by literal millions, mats undercut are what? 2k lol
A buyers market? If things are appropriately priced thats called a fair market value. Beyond that, there are still plain bonuses for having higher crafter/gather stats. Higher yields, easier scrip farming etc.
@@jacobwebb5371 its buyer market if youre smart enough to wait, basically if you see something being put for a price and that item is new, you just wait 1-2 days because the nature of the sellers these days is that they hit each other in the foot by undercutting like crazy. Thats when you buy, buyers have so much power to wait. While sellers cant afford to wait if they want their items sold.
while i can understand a lot of the current frustatations, something that struck me is the "lot of new crafters" line, and, while true, i think its not something you should take much copobilitly for, there arent just new crafters, there have been so many new _players_ over the last couple year or so that i do think, especially since hte changes to crafting from shadowbringers, theres a lot of new people now. some weird irony about crafting being made more accessable meaning that the very crafted things become easier to get your hands on
I don't really care about the situation much myself since I just make stuff for myself/friends and then throw up extra mats or whatever I don't need on the mb if the fc chest has enough already. But due to how many vids I've seen go up on yt about quick leveling, gil making, and patch prep this is pretty much the result I expected.
Aside from them being easy to craft, consider this: we have about the same amount of items to craft as any other expansion. But a MUCH bigger playerbase. On top of that it was made super duper easy to level up crafters with the restoration. Naturally you're going to have an immense oversupply of crafted gear.
Materials aren't able to be gathered as high quality, but you can craft high quality crafted materials. Like Lumber, ingots, bars, nuggets, etc. This helps the crafters if you are an omnicrafter like me. It helps you max out crafting and makes gil where the end item crafters don't have to worry about becoming omnis to get specialized materials. I've had a few crafters I know who have a hard time getting high quality intermediary crafted materials.
I wouldn't just call them bots because you were undercut a lot or if there's more crafters than there were 2 years ago. The community grew by like 25%+.
@@ChatterGuides There's also kind of a two-class citizen disparity between people using plugins and people not using plugins - controlling and adjusting to the market is *much* easier when some plugin tells you everything about component prices, crafting prices, etc. just by a quick glance at the market board than manually sifting through all the available crafts and materials.
"oh no i didnt make millions of gil and extort the whole server.. oh also, please dont undercut me" Im a crafter, and I dont give a crap about this. It shouldnt be such a pain to craft and require pentameld imo.
You do know that for crafters, master recipe crafting is supposed to be their endgame, same as savage and ultimate is endgame for a lot of battle jobs… so saying it shouldn’t require skill and melds to craft is the same as saying Savage should be normal difficulty, because that is literally the state of crafting rn
Thank you for this video! Info helps me a ton, was not awake when the patch dropped and wasn't prepped either so hope I can still make gil. Yes, undercutting is a HUGE problem on my server. Something can be worth almost 2mil and then someone undercuts to 1.2-990kmil and ruined the value of that item because then when it doesn't sell fast other follow suit....Happens with everything. fish worth an easy 40k is cut down to the hundreds because people try ti empty their inventory instead of just selling high, discarding or using the enclave...
You seem to be describing a supply and demand issue and then blaming undercutting. "There were more listers than buyers and the price went down" like, yeah.
There are more buyers than sellers/crafters. The problem is not supply and demand its aggressive ignorance and greed. The only reason to undercut is to sell "quicker"
@@rw5622 demonstrably and trivially untrue. If it were true, you'd be able to leave your sales up and this imagined glut of buyers would buy up supply and reach your price point. Not what's happening, though, is it?
legit was just "arguing" with some people in my fc saying how stupid it was that somebody undercut the price of a mat by 70k and they were like "thats how the MB works, if you dont like it dont play" and they disagreed when i said that if you undercut by that much, EVERYONE loses money.
You'd be surprised what shit takes people have when using that logic. Once, someone said they are "giving newbies a deal" by putting expensive glams cheaper on the mb and I told them someone will just buy it and resell it for higher. Like no newbie will buy your 400k glam, that's just insanely dumb
im one of these people who do this, il undercut by a good 50% if i have too ( i only sell matts i make gear for only me ) you gotta see it from the other side, that price is what our time is worth to us, we dont care your price is 50% higher we just want that quick sale. people are always gunna sell for what they want trying to control and extort the market isnt as fun as just selling what you grinded that day. this isnt a job
@@astonersteve5310 I mean sure your can get a quick profit but for most things you can undercut by 50-100 Gil and you will still sell pretty fast and you make more money. I just don't understand why you need money so soon, are you just perpetually broke and need money for tps? Why wouldn't you rather get 100-90k Gil instead of 50k? Just check your sales when you do to your retainers, it doesn't have to be a job
@@gibsgames_153 like i said i just sell things left over from my personal crafts/ random matts i get. tho the same logic applys to weapons. its what they feel their time is worth, im not gunna charge 10k for a 2k aether sand just like im not gunna sell a 400k weapon for 1.2 mil. im only gunna charge what i would be willing to pay, im just a more fair vendor in my eyes. if you wanna compete sell for the same price as me or buy my stuff simple as
@@astonersteve5310 I just don't understand why you would purposely make less money. People are going to buy it regardless of if you post it for 400k or 1.2mil if they want it. You're only making yourself and others lose money. You're just hurting the market on your server and making everyone make less money
The issue is SE has educated people how to craft. Firmament created a leveling system where you HAD to craft rather than the handing of leves. Plus Materials have the highest fixed value they ever had with leve giving crazy gil. The fact crafters have a lot of gil (hello coffee biscuits) it's created a ecosystem that breeds masses of omnicrafter that profit off other crafters. When new recipes came out that targeted none crafter the ratio of crafter to none crafter has gone up exponetially meaning there is less of a market for each crafter. The undercutting... telling people not to will probably lose them gil not save them gil. I do understand why ya don't like but in a market where the demand to supply ratio is low it's unreasonable to expect people to not sell thing that cost 100k+ to make for 200k-300k.
Many in the comment are putting a lot of the blame on the undercutting but I think its mainly due to how easy the crafts are. I'm almost 400 control over the min req for the crafts which is nuts.
The market board has always been like this since Shadowbringers, to be honest. There was oversupply and the ease or difficulty of crafts is a non-issue since all crafts have been boiled down to macros since Stormblood. I've been doing sales via pre-orders and direct sales instead of the market board since the last crafted set in Stormblood and easily make 200 mil or more the first couple of days every time crafted gear drops, including 6.05. Then I just chill until the next set. It also helps to have a good relationship with people to supply the tome mats for you for a small cut, as well as a buddy crafter or two if you have a large volume of these orders. The key is the preparation before the patch. Stockpile materials and take pre-orders. Make friends with day 1 savage raiders and you'll have plenty of clients.
Logged in to start crafting raid gear with the rest of them…..saw what the mats were going for…dumped 8 retainers worth on the MB. I’m set for the rest of the expac. I’ll craft my own stuff before the weekend. If you’re on Diabolos, thanks for the house
So for me, im having a blast with crafting my own gear. First i wanted to craft the 580 gear only for myself but i thought trying to sell it while it still worth more is a better idea. This is my first expansion where i focused on crafting and not relying on the marketboard. So as a fairly new omni crafter im delighted that the recipes aren't that hard. On the other hand i do like to make gil. After all, omni crafting was a massive source of income for a decade now and i think the devs want to close this source of income by making crafting something more casual and accessible. If this is good or bad, depends on the situation i guess.
Made my gil just selling the mats. Key was to sit and watch the boards. Also had 2 retainers selling while I watched on the third to adjust prices and pull them off when needed. You my be lucky and scoop up someone's mistake. Got 3 stacks of 9materia for 2300 instead of 23000 per. Remember to watch those zeros
some people in my server have been idiots in regards to undercutting. I saw materia being sold at default prices. I bought that shit up and made a good profit in return.
a possible solution to undercutting: buy the undercut stuff and put it back on the market board at the proper price. free money :D. it would have to be done quick before the price expectation gets set to the lower price though
@@rw5622 if there are so many 'undercutting' items that people can't buy them out (obviously no one could do this for the entire market at once, but a well prepared guild might be able to keep a few items up) then it isn't undercutting. It is just the price in the current market. Sounds like this might be the case if it is so easy to craft hq items.
problem is thair price is not reasonable in the first place. wait 2 days and than you will see real prices. I dont see the problem with undercuting. Problem is there is not enough demand. If there were all would be bought and noone would complain
I was late in preping so i spent around 30 mil on pentamelding the night before, didnt really want huge profits but 200k a piece is just absurd. I just hope the 6.1 crafting gear isnt this easy to craft and i at least benefit then from the money spent
I'm still making 20-30m a day doing the thing i've been doing since pretty much day 1-5 xD just gotta find a market & fill it, don't have to worry about undercutters when you know your minimum price range for profit won't be hit for a very long time xD
The undercutting also goes really bad in my DC in every materiel. Even some materiel that have very stable price and not even expensive at all goes down like 250gil to 10gil😢. Usually if there is not much I would buy up and tank it to keep the price stable but with this amount of broken floodgate is just too much to bear.
I made money mostly off making gear for gatherers, materia from my crafting and gathering, and venture coffers from retainers. My own crafter gear was fairly basic, just melds stacking control with no overmelding at all - fine for the normal 560 crafts. I struggled with the new master recipes, and had to overmeld a little (4/5) to get the stats I needed to comfortably craft the new recipes. On my server, Unicorn, I was disappointed after all the effort to make the new gear, it sold with little margin over just buying the mats. Often more profit in just buying and selling the Tomestone vendors items. As a new player though, I still enjoyed the experience of trying to make money from a new patch.
Time to turn gatherer main....but honestly what happened today was no surprise...since its been bad since shbs...so with the influx of players, should have been expected to be worse
Under cutting is Fine when its within a few gil but when you get some random dirt bag undercut by millions they assume its going to sell but they are just going to get undercut them self's. This was the first time I bothered overmelding my crafters and the only plus was that Im able to craft my own gear, make food and pots with one button macros. I made more money selling mats pre patch. Here I thought I was going to make millions crafting joke was on me.
lol i dont want to acuse people but to pay 1.2 mil gil for a weapon is to much. im not gonna pay that amout for 1 item. i can buy 2 choco barding with that amount! or idk buy materia and upgrade it and make more gil or idk anything else
Whelp.. I knew I wouldn't be able to play at launch, but with your guidance still hoping to make some profit later today. Once realized what happened was still able to sell off most of mats at good prices. Doing the other stuff like hoarding materia and maps made it so still way in the positive. So thank you for that! As a newcomer to crafting, maybe a good spot for crafting the new gear would be a safe melder would have to be relatively lucky to get it HQ (like 1/5-10) where a pentameld would get it HQ every time. So the crafter could risk losing extra mats to get HQ. Would also possibly keep mats more valuable. Again very new crafter just my initial thoughts.
Things are selling well on my server. Most mats like leather and herbs are twice the price. Materia didn’t get more expensive but it didn’t lose value either.
hm... i took part for the first time ever in this... i pentamelded everything except weapons (which i am really glad i didn't) but still basically threw money in the fire... i hope i at least get my investments back, thanks for the headsup dude, much appreciated
Prices seemed to have stabilized on my server to around 300k - 500k now but jesus the undercutting happening early on was atrocious on my server. It's like some people want to make less money. I've found the most success in selling 99 stacks of pots, people seem to opt in to buy 99 stacks of a bit more expensive pots that cheaper low quantity listings from my experience today.
If you want to know the sorry state of the MB on Balmung, there is a retainer with 100s of mats on the board who is named “Undercut”. There was never a chance from the start
I was selling rings earlier and the price tanked so many times. It's so frustrating. It was completely unnecessary amounts of undercutting, too, 50k, 150k, just what the hell. I spent so much time and money doing pentamelding preparing for this, spent a bunch of time trying to decide which job I wanted soul of the crafters on, talked to people I knew about exchanging mats and gear because we'd have different experts, and even my worst melded stuff can easily do all the recipes. Hell, I just ended up making myself a full set even though I was going to wait until tomorrow, because prices can't even go down that much more, it's like 100k for some pieces.
Only like 2 pieces of gear I made ended up profitting because I was so aggressively undercut (There were no sales and someone listed at about 60% below the other listings, the mats were worth more on the MB than what they listed the item!). I had to recoup from materia transmutation and selling overpriced mats from regular nodes
the price of crafted gear will always around 200k. thats like the normal price on normal day. if you think you can sell it for about 1m a piece you gonna have a bad day. especially against people that already prepped for everything and gather everything themselves. they didnt lose shit from undercutting aggressively
Nothing should require pentamelding anyway in my opinion. Sucks that people overprepared but it made zero sense to need to do so in the first place, it basically just added a financial gate and that's it.
If nothing should require pentamelding then it should be taken out of the game, simple. By leaving pentamelding in the game, it's right to assume that you will get recipes that are only feasibly guaranteed to be 100% HQ if you are pentamelded. The crafting recipes how they are now are a joke.
It's tragic, tragic I say. I place an item on the marketboard and within just a couple of minutes it's already burried all the way down because of other crafters undercutting with ridiculous prices. What happened to the value of hard earned work and preparations for this money making opportunity only to be obliterated like this. Though looking at materia side of things, I think will it recover some of the gil I burned because of pentamelding.
special shoutout to the one crafter on my server that undercut items by 5 to 10mil at a time... if i ever find him imma need to send him some of these guides....
I saw the undercutting on primal leviathan everything but the chest for DRG/RPR was getting Hella undercut but even with that made me realize crafting is the way to go I'll be lvling them up and not just gathering. Gotta move up.
Lol, I never got to finish pentameld. I'm just over 3200/3200 and I could make subcombines at 80%-90%hq which let me do final combines at 100% HQ. 5 piece left side tank sets were selling for 5.9 mil. So in the end I just decided to make my own gear and do combines for the FC. I live pretty frugally and dont need tens of millions of Gil so I'll live. It was disappointing though. The money this morning was in mats.
Personally, this is just a sign that pentamelding needs to die. It's such a strange aspect of this game. Most things are so formulaic, and then there's pentamelding. Is my new ring going to cost one million gil or thirty million gil for the same end result? Tune in next time on suicide watch Z. There's no way to reduce the risk and normalize the process. Possibly lowering the entry barrier, but also removing macros might make crafting a more long term deal. It might also affect bots. After seeing the mess of prices on the MB, I decided I wasn't going to turn my safety melds into mid melds to craft, and instead just started offloading my materials for premium gil. I made 25m selling materials which is double what I had hoped to make from crafting, so it worked for me. I'll probably just stick to gathering next tier and not even worry about crafting.
I’ve only got my blacksmith to 90 while the rest of my crafters are still at 80 so I wasn’t going to be crafting this morning but I had done a bunch of gathering hoping to still make 10-20 million or so selling mats. I have managed to make 4-5 selling materia and some tomestone mats but it was pretty sad seeing all the sands that were selling for 7k last night drop to 2k on my server. At this point I may just save all my mats and get my crafters leveled and start crafting my own gear.
I really craft to make my own gear and gear for FC members, so I don't care too much about profit. Also, more people can craft and it's easier? You seem more salty about that than anything. So you can't make as much gil as you'd like? That's no big deal. The gil will be made regardless, it's just going to take you a little bit longer. Again, not a big deal.
Exactly this. Once everything stabilizes, with less people making stuff, there will be Gil to be made. This literally happened at patch 6.0 and the markets were consistent after the first week. People need to chill out and play the wait game.
@@marcieconrad9413 that wont be the case...that wasnt even the case in shbs...now with the influx there will be a steady supply of gear etc...for prices that isnt even worth to craft. We dont even need to meld or pentameld to do the masterbook recipes .. until they make crafting more difficult...the gil making will be horrible
@@arturius9715 been playing the game for 5 years. Crafting stuff and putting it on the market board has always made Gil, even low level stuff. Sure, it isn't going to be millions upon millions a day. But gear is always going to be needed and it will still be profitable. Same with gathering mats. I make a ton of money off gathering every week and markets fluctuate a lot, but if you play the long game and pick the best markets each week, you can make some good cash. So I stand by my point. I do agree with you about the decline in pricing and how easy it is to make gear, which makes that stuff less lucrative. But craftable gear, level 15-90, is still going to make you lots of Gil. Not as quick. But everyone is acting like this stuff will never sell again LOL. Just my opinion though, of someone who has spent a lot of time crafting and buying and selling. It also depends on servers too. My server might do better than another. So, I suppose I am bias.
@@marcieconrad9413 I know what you're saying and yes of course if you put the gear on the market board it will sell...im just saying is it worth it to craft it and play mb shuffle everyday? I think its quite a bit better to focus on gathering to make gil at the point. The last time it was worth it to sell gear on mb was nightsteel in SB
I wasn‘t expecting much, didn‘t spend a single gil on extra materia, did do some overmelding and went into crafting. Still got 1.5 mil. Edit: Last piece just sold for 303k . Now I‘m at 2 million in terms of profit.
you cant be both all about it being accessible and yet also be against it being accessible. Not everyone has the time to spend HOURS searching markets to make a profit and with the massive increase in cost of living with endwalker across all servers, teleport fees are fucking ridiculous thanks yoshi, its even harder for some people to make money.
Another issue is whole FCs are getting the crafters in their fc to meld and craft for the raiders. I crafted hundreds of tinctures for my fc already to save gil. I have been crafting tinctures and grinding materia to sell to would be Penta Melders all week and made some good gil but with Penta melding out the window I'm lucky to have made money on it while I did.
I didn't bother getting my crafters ready. They aren't even fully leveled yet. Better to just abuse cheap materia at this rate from people who aggressively undercut. Peoples failures to hold a firm price is making me monies ;p But hey, your materia is still expensive so win for me lol. Maps and selling off my tomes to crafters has been good.
I spent 17 million pentamelding my crafting gear and the past 4 days of nonstop gathering materials and I haven't made but a million gill, really disappointing and honestly I am not really sure if I have the energy anymore to keep this up. Good luck to you guys out there my heart goes out.
So my thoughts on crafting this tier, as its the first one i got into from the beginning but have tried it in shadowbringers: Its BS to get this so easy. Aphorism tomestone gear basically got irrelevant in an instant. The undercutting i was honestly expecting from the massive influx of players from other games. I spent 20 mil pentamelding and was devastated that within an hour stuff got to where it is even now. I made back around 8 million today but the rest will be a painful grind...
Well remember that the gear is supposed to last until the next major patch; the accessories will likely be relevant up into 5.3. You'll probably make the gil back, and more, before then. And a lot of the recipes are doable without pentamelds; it looks like the devs are trying to move away from the mandatory pentamelding. Also 20mil to pentameld is pretty crazy ... you probably overpaid by a large margin.
@@magical11 Nah i was just massively unlucky melding. I lost a whole 80 materia on one overmeld at 17%. But i made half my money back by now so its just futureproofing for the next drops of recipes
The market crashing so quickly certainly doesn't have anything to do with people like Fur Daddy, Ashe, Desp etc all constantly putting up videos to cause FOMO about how you'll make so much money and to stock up on supplies... You don't get to complain about the market when you're part of the problem.
i farmed endtide aethersand for days ... put it in the morning for 8000 in the marketboard cuz it was reasonable at this moment and the same moment i got undercut hard and barely any people buying and not at time is the price down to 2500 and i was hoping to make barely enough money with it just to but me a medium house and now i will get around 6-7 mil if im lucky if i would adjust my prices....
Cerberus just went to shit the first few hours, instead of ppl placing the items for 10-15m, ppl started undercutting each other by a lot which then plumeted whole market. Really sucks since i was ready with my pentamelds ready to make gil from high tier crafting content, only to find out requirement for entry for this content was laughable low
Oh yeah the Cerberus was such a clown fiesta. I created an alt on Spriggan and was buying crafted battle gear on Cerberus and selling it for double price on there. Made about 20 mils in 4 hours without any crafting/gathering.
I do think crafting has become way to easy and it is a joke for most people. Ok, if SE wants to make it more accessible fine. But, master recipes should not be so easy to craft. I do agree, why have pentamelding if you don't even need to do it to craft the recipes. It is a lot of wasted money and time. I love to craft and have been doing it since ARR and to see how it is now and that people do take it as a joke really bothers me. All I hear people saying is oh I just need the macro, or crafting is brain dead ect. I would like to see SE really put some thought and time into crafting and come up with better ways to challenge the crafting community and keep us interested. I think there are many ways to have crafting accessible for all but at the same time have in be fun, interesting and challenging. SE just has to put some thought and care into it. It just seems like crafting is just an after thought to SE at the moment.
there is recipes that require pentameld to craft and they are the expert reicpe resplendent tools, not everything has to revolve around gil. the whole crafting system is laughably easy nowadays. also you make great vids and so do others but they are a double edged sword, how can you be so shocked when everyone is putting content out in how to prep, how to make mils etc... these videos are a big part in why everyone is so clued up in how to do it. which isnt a bad thing overall but it does obviously have an impact on everything overall
My thoughts exactly, kinda blows my mind everyone is so shocked in how the market didn't turn out how they wanted...but when everyone is voicing how they want the market to be like and predicting how its going to happen and what everyone should do...well the market is going to obviously change. At the end of the day the market is controlled by the players selling to other players so if you affect the players relating to the market...the market will be affected as well. Im so glad i took a back seat and didn't overly prep at all for this. Kinda seemed obvious in my opinion
@@kevinsora123 I'm personally glad i over prep on aethersand and legendary mats and battle material caused that right there made me 26 million while not being over prep would of left me with 10 million.
@@kevinsora123 yeah. i mean i prepped in materia and a lot of legendary mats etc.. but i do that anyways as i am basically a sole crafter. the real money was control and craft X materia... as soon as i saw that gear plummet then that was it for me and i went straight into mnateria mode. this fur guy makes some nice guides but all his info is just re hashed from ashe10 vids and others who all help contribute to smarten players up, i think you need to be able to spot the trends and try and find your own market. i knew it was game over when i saw 15 -20 ads on partyfinder for 580 gear.
I lost money over all. I feel so stupid leveling all my crafters and spending DAYS gathering these stupid mats. I got undercut by 5mil on one of the weapons I put up. such a huge waste of time. shouldve been leveling my battle classes than doing this dumb shit
Hmmm, so more people, and a higher percentage crafting for themselves explains the middle materials using tomestones becoming better sellers. Since that's a hard-coded bottleneck requiring non-crafting activities. Most of the new crafters likely share similar guides/websites/streamers between them with the common knowledge for crafting this tier of content. So I assume the end consumers are many of the DIY types, rather than the theoretical savage raiders with large pockets and no crafting buddies. Also means more people will get burnt out quicker on crafting and some stability will occur until the next patch. The real gil makers are just another layer or two deeper then....(i.e. maps and FC's?).
Accessibility ruined this for me, I like crafting cause we're in control of our crafts, but once it comes to the MB, I'm at the will of 1000s of schmucks that don't know what they're doing
In your previous guide you failed to take into account several key things. The crafting changes in SHB make it far easier because of how actions/rotations were simplified, the addition of the firmament combined with the content lull increased the amount of max lvl crafters greatly and how easily this gear would be to make. Long time crafters knew about this and planned for it.
tbh i was making the hq new gear w crap pentamelded set and w/o manipulation i could hit a solid 86% , after learning manipulation it was a walk in a park. im hoping to sell pentamelded sets for a couple mill and that might be it Sadge
Everyone shouldn't panic. You can still make money the same exact way, it just won't be huge amounts at a time. Lot of overreacting here. I don't think it being this easy to craft is a big deal. Making gil in this game is kind of not worth focusing too hard on, anyway. And to be honest, these videos where you give people the methods to craft and gather and give hints about how to make money floods markets and shit. Not to say you shouldn't do it, but its just a fact that videos like this create competition.
people are addicted to undercutting its so insane
Yeah it's almost like that's the single method anyone can use to guarantee a quick sale...
Respect for posting this so quickly. It's nice to see that I am not alone in my frustration. I spent a hefty amount in pentamelding and purchasing some last-minute mats, but with the prices how they are now, I am definitely taking a huge loss. Can't believe how bad the undercutting was, I'm just dumb founded that some folks would willing give up millions in profit just to have their items sell "quicker".
I dont think undercuting is the problem. The demand is just not there. Even with gear being like 300k now most of the items didnt sell more than 30 pieces on my server
@@igneel1992 It's because the crafted gear just isn't that much better than what we already had. Combine that with the fact that everyone who actually cared already bought commissions
The issue with hoping people don't undercut is that it's classic prisoners' dilemma. Either everyone is in on it, or it falls apart. There are just too many people to hope and plead with to not aggressively undercut and it really just takes a couple doing it for the masses to follow. It's not a realistic goal or request, sadly.
Also the fact that people are biased toward there own experience. They are more then happy to always buy the cheapest price. But get mad when somebody undercuts them.
It's just a different strategy going for quantity over quality. Or maybe they are just dumb or just like selling things for cheap to help people out.
Either way it is what it is.cant really do anything about it like you say.
I got undercut by 1 million on day 2. It was so dumb :(
I logged on early, looked at the price of Mats then looked at the price of fully crafted gear, Knew it wasn't worth it to craft so sold all my Mats early for good profit. Felt wrong doing it but made logical sense and glad I made the right decision.
Huge unseen reason, the buyers, im not gunna buy gear at 3-4 mil a pop when i know in 4-5 hours its gunna be 400k. people only pay what they thinks its worth. market demand is real as soon as it hit 500k on my server ppl started buying we have had patch drops for 5 expacs ppl know to wait now
To the undercutters on the MB -- Look at the sales history of items on the MB and see that that the demand is there for many items (tons of sales per hour). If the demand is there (eg. current price is 1million, last sales prices are also 1 million) there's no need to undercut the current price substantially. Knocking 10k-500k+ off of 1 million is SO unnecessary when ppl are buying at 1 million. If you undercut, keep it relatively close to the last price listed. Otherwise, you not only lose out on your own profit but you're hurting other players sales in the process and tanking the market.
problem is people dont understand that, i explained all of that almost word for word to my roommate, his response was "but i wanna sell faster", he literally doesnt understand lol, and there are many others out there like that. And on top of that, there are other content creators out there who have literally told their viewers to undercut. FurDaddy just isnt yet big enough to make that big of an influence
@@Kyndral22 but you gotta understand. normal prices on normal day for crafted gears are around 200k. only the launch inflate the price to 1m or 2m. with how many people crafting right now and every gil guide pointing the same thing. there is no way you can convince everybody to buy your crafted gear at 1m and no one undercutting it. furthermore raiders are broke on this game. you looking to sell to another omnicrafter that not gonna bother with crafting it, to gil buyer. the demand is simply not there.
You can't really blame people for undercutting in this situation. Supply/demand. It's up to the devs to make sure supply and crafting requirements are balanced. You can't expect people to hold a high price if the demand isn't matching the amount of supply :(
I'm mad at the other players this morning but what you say is very true. The devs let down a lot of people who worked very hard to be successful today. It's the same how raiders would be upset if they one shot every new boss
@@TheSoulLinked I'm a crafter and a raider. 100% agree with you.
I'm not super big into crafting but I did make some HUGE profits today from gathering mats I stockpiled in the week before (mostly stuff from legendary nodes), selling off materia from from spiritbonding and then dumping 2000 aphorism tomestones into the new mats you can buy with them.
Question jedith where can I buy these mats
@@emmanuelparache9158 go to the vendor you normally spend aphorism, in radz. He has a new section labelled (other)
The whole undercutting thing comes down to FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) - for example you set you're price at say 1mil, then those ppl wanting quick sales undercut you, even if it's just by 1 gil, and more follow suit, you try to hold your ground, but after a day or two, that item is now an average of 200k, and yours never sells.
rather than calling it fomo. i gonna call the crafter that hoping it will sell for 1m each is stupid. i dont know how is it in their server. but during exarchic launch. its badically like this as well. why would they think its gonna be different.
@@wyzkun Correct, people seem to think competitive markets are bad, but extorting markets and making things unattainable is good... mindless nonsense.
@@jacobwebb5371 no. Some of the items are genuinely not easy to craft. Crafted gear isnt ever meant, nor needed for average players. Its meant to be Bis for savage raiders who need every stat and meld to pass checks. Thats why its expensive. If there are only 10 crafted pieces of armor, it should sell for a mil or more gil depending on difficulty.
It took me and my team all day crafting to get each other a set for savage. Its alot of work. People need to quit acting like it isnt
@@kingchaosxd6510 its expensive because you people inflate the price at the launch. its a lot of work for sure. but still less work than gathering all the material. and better time investment for gil per hour. its just a lot of work you dont even need to pentameld all your gear to craft it.
By the time the influx of players occurred, there was no real way to makes millions of Gil. The number of players who wanted the equipment didn’t have a hundred million to drop on equipment.
Yeah really only the hardcore/longtime players have that much gil. Everyone else is broke af lol!
You make a great point about the non crafted 580 gear losing it's value. Even for people who are not really into crafting, this basically makes a lot of the "grinding" to get the non crafted 580 gear kinda of a waste when you can just buy a set with better stats if you have some gil saved up
Indeed. I mean a lot of people were already sporting 580 Weapons and Accessories thanks to the Extremes for a few weeks now anyways, but the Pandaemonium Normal Gear already feels like Glamour Shopping
tbh it depends, my specific set requires some normal raid gear over the crafted pieces because of the stats
Yep. What a waste of time when 3-4 weeks later you can just buy better gear off the market board.
Not only is penta melds worthless, but they completely made crafting expertise useless as well.
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I kinda knew this was going to happen, I spent too much time on MB over the holidays and I saw how the current market is crazy, its a buyers market now the undercutting is too much.
Thats when i decided to not level my crafter and im just gathering stuffs. And the reason why i do that is, gathering is easy, you do other stuffs while whacking those rocks and trees. So if you get undercut, meh, i spent very little effort to it. You dont even need pentamelds to gather and its quick. Less risky than crafting especially when you buy the limited mats from tomes, that could be the point where you will lose money bcs people undercut your gears to the point where you lost more buying mats than you make.
If people undercut my gathering mats like crazy, i can just hold on to them since mats are always going to be needed. If its undercut by 50% im still gonna sell them due to how easy it is to get them. It keeps my sanity in check. Not much but its honest work while avoiding getting undercut by literal millions, mats undercut are what? 2k lol
All of that is true.
It's also true that the gil you can make in a given timespan is consistently lower than crafting.
A buyers market? If things are appropriately priced thats called a fair market value. Beyond that, there are still plain bonuses for having higher crafter/gather stats. Higher yields, easier scrip farming etc.
@@jacobwebb5371 its buyer market if youre smart enough to wait, basically if you see something being put for a price and that item is new, you just wait 1-2 days because the nature of the sellers these days is that they hit each other in the foot by undercutting like crazy. Thats when you buy, buyers have so much power to wait. While sellers cant afford to wait if they want their items sold.
while i can understand a lot of the current frustatations, something that struck me is the "lot of new crafters" line, and, while true, i think its not something you should take much copobilitly for, there arent just new crafters, there have been so many new _players_ over the last couple year or so that i do think, especially since hte changes to crafting from shadowbringers, theres a lot of new people now. some weird irony about crafting being made more accessable meaning that the very crafted things become easier to get your hands on
big respect for posting this so quickly
Least I could do :p
I don't really care about the situation much myself since I just make stuff for myself/friends and then throw up extra mats or whatever I don't need on the mb if the fc chest has enough already. But due to how many vids I've seen go up on yt about quick leveling, gil making, and patch prep this is pretty much the result I expected.
I kinda had a feeling this was going to happen so instead of getting crafters ready I just sold mats this morning instead
Aside from them being easy to craft, consider this: we have about the same amount of items to craft as any other expansion. But a MUCH bigger playerbase. On top of that it was made super duper easy to level up crafters with the restoration. Naturally you're going to have an immense oversupply of crafted gear.
Materials aren't able to be gathered as high quality, but you can craft high quality crafted materials. Like Lumber, ingots, bars, nuggets, etc. This helps the crafters if you are an omnicrafter like me. It helps you max out crafting and makes gil where the end item crafters don't have to worry about becoming omnis to get specialized materials.
I've had a few crafters I know who have a hard time getting high quality intermediary crafted materials.
I wouldn't just call them bots because you were undercut a lot or if there's more crafters than there were 2 years ago. The community grew by like 25%+.
True, people are being auto-undercut in the MB by the same accounts across multiple DCs though
@@ChatterGuides There's also kind of a two-class citizen disparity between people using plugins and people not using plugins - controlling and adjusting to the market is *much* easier when some plugin tells you everything about component prices, crafting prices, etc. just by a quick glance at the market board than manually sifting through all the available crafts and materials.
"oh no i didnt make millions of gil and extort the whole server.. oh also, please dont undercut me" Im a crafter, and I dont give a crap about this. It shouldnt be such a pain to craft and require pentameld imo.
You do know that for crafters, master recipe crafting is supposed to be their endgame, same as savage and ultimate is endgame for a lot of battle jobs… so saying it shouldn’t require skill and melds to craft is the same as saying Savage should be normal difficulty, because that is literally the state of crafting rn
Thank you for this video! Info helps me a ton, was not awake when the patch dropped and wasn't prepped either so hope I can still make gil.
Yes, undercutting is a HUGE problem on my server. Something can be worth almost 2mil and then someone undercuts to 1.2-990kmil and ruined the value of that item because then when it doesn't sell fast other follow suit....Happens with everything. fish worth an easy 40k is cut down to the hundreds because people try ti empty their inventory instead of just selling high, discarding or using the enclave...
You seem to be describing a supply and demand issue and then blaming undercutting. "There were more listers than buyers and the price went down" like, yeah.
There are more buyers than sellers/crafters. The problem is not supply and demand its aggressive ignorance and greed. The only reason to undercut is to sell "quicker"
@@rw5622 demonstrably and trivially untrue. If it were true, you'd be able to leave your sales up and this imagined glut of buyers would buy up supply and reach your price point. Not what's happening, though, is it?
legit was just "arguing" with some people in my fc saying how stupid it was that somebody undercut the price of a mat by 70k and they were like "thats how the MB works, if you dont like it dont play" and they disagreed when i said that if you undercut by that much, EVERYONE loses money.
You'd be surprised what shit takes people have when using that logic. Once, someone said they are "giving newbies a deal" by putting expensive glams cheaper on the mb and I told them someone will just buy it and resell it for higher. Like no newbie will buy your 400k glam, that's just insanely dumb
im one of these people who do this, il undercut by a good 50% if i have too ( i only sell matts i make gear for only me ) you gotta see it from the other side, that price is what our time is worth to us, we dont care your price is 50% higher we just want that quick sale. people are always gunna sell for what they want trying to control and extort the market isnt as fun as just selling what you grinded that day. this isnt a job
@@astonersteve5310 I mean sure your can get a quick profit but for most things you can undercut by 50-100 Gil and you will still sell pretty fast and you make more money. I just don't understand why you need money so soon, are you just perpetually broke and need money for tps? Why wouldn't you rather get 100-90k Gil instead of 50k? Just check your sales when you do to your retainers, it doesn't have to be a job
@@gibsgames_153 like i said i just sell things left over from my personal crafts/ random matts i get. tho the same logic applys to weapons. its what they feel their time is worth, im not gunna charge 10k for a 2k aether sand just like im not gunna sell a 400k weapon for 1.2 mil. im only gunna charge what i would be willing to pay, im just a more fair vendor in my eyes. if you wanna compete sell for the same price as me or buy my stuff simple as
@@astonersteve5310 I just don't understand why you would purposely make less money. People are going to buy it regardless of if you post it for 400k or 1.2mil if they want it. You're only making yourself and others lose money. You're just hurting the market on your server and making everyone make less money
I'm a new crafter/gatherer. I'm glad I asked someone about good market place etiquette before the patch
I logged in ready to craft to make up for the pentameldings I had done and the undercut savage is real.
The issue is SE has educated people how to craft. Firmament created a leveling system where you HAD to craft rather than the handing of leves.
Plus Materials have the highest fixed value they ever had with leve giving crazy gil.
The fact crafters have a lot of gil (hello coffee biscuits) it's created a ecosystem that breeds masses of omnicrafter that profit off other crafters.
When new recipes came out that targeted none crafter the ratio of crafter to none crafter has gone up exponetially meaning there is less of a market for each crafter.
The undercutting... telling people not to will probably lose them gil not save them gil. I do understand why ya don't like but in a market where the demand to supply ratio is low it's unreasonable to expect people to not sell thing that cost 100k+ to make for 200k-300k.
Many in the comment are putting a lot of the blame on the undercutting but I think its mainly due to how easy the crafts are. I'm almost 400 control over the min req for the crafts which is nuts.
The market board has always been like this since Shadowbringers, to be honest. There was oversupply and the ease or difficulty of crafts is a non-issue since all crafts have been boiled down to macros since Stormblood. I've been doing sales via pre-orders and direct sales instead of the market board since the last crafted set in Stormblood and easily make 200 mil or more the first couple of days every time crafted gear drops, including 6.05. Then I just chill until the next set. It also helps to have a good relationship with people to supply the tome mats for you for a small cut, as well as a buddy crafter or two if you have a large volume of these orders. The key is the preparation before the patch. Stockpile materials and take pre-orders. Make friends with day 1 savage raiders and you'll have plenty of clients.
Logged in to start crafting raid gear with the rest of them…..saw what the mats were going for…dumped 8 retainers worth on the MB. I’m set for the rest of the expac. I’ll craft my own stuff before the weekend. If you’re on Diabolos, thanks for the house
So for me, im having a blast with crafting my own gear. First i wanted to craft the 580 gear only for myself but i thought trying to sell it while it still worth more is a better idea.
This is my first expansion where i focused on crafting and not relying on the marketboard.
So as a fairly new omni crafter im delighted that the recipes aren't that hard. On the other hand i do like to make gil.
After all, omni crafting was a massive source of income for a decade now and i think the devs want to close this source of income by making crafting something more casual and accessible.
If this is good or bad, depends on the situation i guess.
on the streamer comment, I find it crazy to watch you start at like 10 viewers on twitch to now see you at 200. thats crazy to watch.
Made my gil just selling the mats. Key was to sit and watch the boards. Also had 2 retainers selling while I watched on the third to adjust prices and pull them off when needed. You my be lucky and scoop up someone's mistake. Got 3 stacks of 9materia for 2300 instead of 23000 per. Remember to watch those zeros
some people in my server have been idiots in regards to undercutting. I saw materia being sold at default prices. I bought that shit up and made a good profit in return.
a possible solution to undercutting: buy the undercut stuff and put it back on the market board at the proper price. free money :D. it would have to be done quick before the price expectation gets set to the lower price though
Good way to lose all your money, but yea go ahead and try that and see how it works out for you.
@@rw5622 if there are so many 'undercutting' items that people can't buy them out (obviously no one could do this for the entire market at once, but a well prepared guild might be able to keep a few items up) then it isn't undercutting. It is just the price in the current market. Sounds like this might be the case if it is so easy to craft hq items.
problem is thair price is not reasonable in the first place. wait 2 days and than you will see real prices. I dont see the problem with undercuting. Problem is there is not enough demand. If there were all would be bought and noone would complain
I was late in preping so i spent around 30 mil on pentamelding the night before, didnt really want huge profits but 200k a piece is just absurd.
I just hope the 6.1 crafting gear isnt this easy to craft and i at least benefit then from the money spent
I'm still making 20-30m a day doing the thing i've been doing since pretty much day 1-5 xD just gotta find a market & fill it, don't have to worry about undercutters when you know your minimum price range for profit won't be hit for a very long time xD
I bought 2 stacks of endtide aethersand for 7.5k yesterday. I only make machinist arms now in hopes of being brave enough to use one.
Would you like lessons?
Made over 3m+ just off materia, mats, and bicolor voucher and don't even craft
The undercutting also goes really bad in my DC in every materiel. Even some materiel that have very stable price and not even expensive at all goes down like 250gil to 10gil😢. Usually if there is not much I would buy up and tank it to keep the price stable but with this amount of broken floodgate is just too much to bear.
I made money mostly off making gear for gatherers, materia from my crafting and gathering, and venture coffers from retainers. My own crafter gear was fairly basic, just melds stacking control with no overmelding at all - fine for the normal 560 crafts. I struggled with the new master recipes, and had to overmeld a little (4/5) to get the stats I needed to comfortably craft the new recipes. On my server, Unicorn, I was disappointed after all the effort to make the new gear, it sold with little margin over just buying the mats. Often more profit in just buying and selling the Tomestone vendors items. As a new player though, I still enjoyed the experience of trying to make money from a new patch.
Time to turn gatherer main....but honestly what happened today was no surprise...since its been bad since shbs...so with the influx of players, should have been expected to be worse
Under cutting is Fine when its within a few gil but when you get some random dirt bag undercut by millions they assume its going to sell but they are just going to get undercut them self's. This was the first time I bothered overmelding my crafters and the only plus was that Im able to craft my own gear, make food and pots with one button macros. I made more money selling mats pre patch. Here I thought I was going to make millions crafting joke was on me.
lol i dont want to acuse people but to pay 1.2 mil gil for a weapon is to much. im not gonna pay that amout for 1 item. i can buy 2 choco barding with that amount! or idk buy materia and upgrade it and make more gil or idk anything else
Whelp.. I knew I wouldn't be able to play at launch, but with your guidance still hoping to make some profit later today. Once realized what happened was still able to sell off most of mats at good prices. Doing the other stuff like hoarding materia and maps made it so still way in the positive. So thank you for that! As a newcomer to crafting, maybe a good spot for crafting the new gear would be a safe melder would have to be relatively lucky to get it HQ (like 1/5-10) where a pentameld would get it HQ every time. So the crafter could risk losing extra mats to get HQ. Would also possibly keep mats more valuable. Again very new crafter just my initial thoughts.
Things are selling well on my server. Most mats like leather and herbs are twice the price. Materia didn’t get more expensive but it didn’t lose value either.
hm... i took part for the first time ever in this... i pentamelded everything except weapons (which i am really glad i didn't) but still basically threw money in the fire... i hope i at least get my investments back, thanks for the headsup dude, much appreciated
I made a ton just...selling mats. Like if not 60m but I made around 7m in four hours?
Prices seemed to have stabilized on my server to around 300k - 500k now but jesus the undercutting happening early on was atrocious on my server. It's like some people want to make less money. I've found the most success in selling 99 stacks of pots, people seem to opt in to buy 99 stacks of a bit more expensive pots that cheaper low quantity listings from my experience today.
I agree that if crafting end-game stuff is too easy it takes away the point of all the melds and preparation that people did.
If you want to know the sorry state of the MB on Balmung, there is a retainer with 100s of mats on the board who is named “Undercut”. There was never a chance from the start
same here in elemental dc. there is retainer called, the servername1 servername2.
I was selling rings earlier and the price tanked so many times. It's so frustrating. It was completely unnecessary amounts of undercutting, too, 50k, 150k, just what the hell. I spent so much time and money doing pentamelding preparing for this, spent a bunch of time trying to decide which job I wanted soul of the crafters on, talked to people I knew about exchanging mats and gear because we'd have different experts, and even my worst melded stuff can easily do all the recipes. Hell, I just ended up making myself a full set even though I was going to wait until tomorrow, because prices can't even go down that much more, it's like 100k for some pieces.
I watched a weapon drop from like a million to less than 100k in an hour because people were undercutting so badly. It's crazy.
Only like 2 pieces of gear I made ended up profitting because I was so aggressively undercut (There were no sales and someone listed at about 60% below the other listings, the mats were worth more on the MB than what they listed the item!). I had to recoup from materia transmutation and selling overpriced mats from regular nodes
the price of crafted gear will always around 200k. thats like the normal price on normal day. if you think you can sell it for about 1m a piece you gonna have a bad day. especially against people that already prepped for everything and gather everything themselves. they didnt lose shit from undercutting aggressively
Nothing should require pentamelding anyway in my opinion. Sucks that people overprepared but it made zero sense to need to do so in the first place, it basically just added a financial gate and that's it.
If nothing should require pentamelding then it should be taken out of the game, simple. By leaving pentamelding in the game, it's right to assume that you will get recipes that are only feasibly guaranteed to be 100% HQ if you are pentamelded. The crafting recipes how they are now are a joke.
It's tragic, tragic I say.
I place an item on the marketboard and within just a couple of minutes it's already burried all the way down because of other crafters undercutting with ridiculous prices. What happened to the value of hard earned work and preparations for this money making opportunity only to be obliterated like this. Though looking at materia side of things, I think will it recover some of the gil I burned because of pentamelding.
special shoutout to the one crafter on my server that undercut items by 5 to 10mil at a time... if i ever find him imma need to send him some of these guides....
this already happen with exarchic gear. why would you think its gonna be different.
Last expansion I could make big money from mats for weeks. Now in 4 hours prices went from 80k to under 20k. Yikes
I saw the undercutting on primal leviathan everything but the chest for DRG/RPR was getting Hella undercut but even with that made me realize crafting is the way to go I'll be lvling them up and not just gathering. Gotta move up.
I miss the old days where crafting required actual skill r.i.p
Lol, I never got to finish pentameld. I'm just over 3200/3200 and I could make subcombines at 80%-90%hq which let me do final combines at 100% HQ.
5 piece left side tank sets were selling for 5.9 mil. So in the end I just decided to make my own gear and do combines for the FC. I live pretty frugally and dont need tens of millions of Gil so I'll live. It was disappointing though.
The money this morning was in mats.
Personally, this is just a sign that pentamelding needs to die. It's such a strange aspect of this game. Most things are so formulaic, and then there's pentamelding. Is my new ring going to cost one million gil or thirty million gil for the same end result? Tune in next time on suicide watch Z. There's no way to reduce the risk and normalize the process. Possibly lowering the entry barrier, but also removing macros might make crafting a more long term deal. It might also affect bots.
After seeing the mess of prices on the MB, I decided I wasn't going to turn my safety melds into mid melds to craft, and instead just started offloading my materials for premium gil. I made 25m selling materials which is double what I had hoped to make from crafting, so it worked for me. I'll probably just stick to gathering next tier and not even worry about crafting.
I've made 26 million not a bad day for just selling aethersand and legendary nodes mats plus battle material since I wasn't crafted melded.
I’ve only got my blacksmith to 90 while the rest of my crafters are still at 80 so I wasn’t going to be crafting this morning but I had done a bunch of gathering hoping to still make 10-20 million or so selling mats. I have managed to make 4-5 selling materia and some tomestone mats but it was pretty sad seeing all the sands that were selling for 7k last night drop to 2k on my server. At this point I may just save all my mats and get my crafters leveled and start crafting my own gear.
I really craft to make my own gear and gear for FC members, so I don't care too much about profit. Also, more people can craft and it's easier? You seem more salty about that than anything. So you can't make as much gil as you'd like? That's no big deal. The gil will be made regardless, it's just going to take you a little bit longer. Again, not a big deal.
The big drop is from the prep for it. Everything drops right in the beginning. You are either first up or you have the patience to play the long game.
It wont go back up
Exactly this. Once everything stabilizes, with less people making stuff, there will be Gil to be made. This literally happened at patch 6.0 and the markets were consistent after the first week. People need to chill out and play the wait game.
@@marcieconrad9413 that wont be the case...that wasnt even the case in shbs...now with the influx there will be a steady supply of gear etc...for prices that isnt even worth to craft.
We dont even need to meld or pentameld to do the masterbook recipes .. until they make crafting more difficult...the gil making will be horrible
@@arturius9715 been playing the game for 5 years. Crafting stuff and putting it on the market board has always made Gil, even low level stuff. Sure, it isn't going to be millions upon millions a day. But gear is always going to be needed and it will still be profitable. Same with gathering mats. I make a ton of money off gathering every week and markets fluctuate a lot, but if you play the long game and pick the best markets each week, you can make some good cash. So I stand by my point. I do agree with you about the decline in pricing and how easy it is to make gear, which makes that stuff less lucrative. But craftable gear, level 15-90, is still going to make you lots of Gil. Not as quick. But everyone is acting like this stuff will never sell again LOL. Just my opinion though, of someone who has spent a lot of time crafting and buying and selling. It also depends on servers too. My server might do better than another. So, I suppose I am bias.
@@marcieconrad9413 I know what you're saying and yes of course if you put the gear on the market board it will sell...im just saying is it worth it to craft it and play mb shuffle everyday? I think its quite a bit better to focus on gathering to make gil at the point.
The last time it was worth it to sell gear on mb was nightsteel in SB
I wasn‘t expecting much, didn‘t spend a single gil on extra materia, did do some overmelding and went into crafting. Still got 1.5 mil.
Edit: Last piece just sold for 303k . Now I‘m at 2 million in terms of profit.
you cant be both all about it being accessible and yet also be against it being accessible. Not everyone has the time to spend HOURS searching markets to make a profit and with the massive increase in cost of living with endwalker across all servers, teleport fees are fucking ridiculous thanks yoshi, its even harder for some people to make money.
spent 20m Pentamelding, only made 10m back on crafting, had some very aggressive undercutting. like 400k undercutting..
I am around 30mil up. No big sales , Been crafting whole day
Another issue is whole FCs are getting the crafters in their fc to meld and craft for the raiders. I crafted hundreds of tinctures for my fc already to save gil.
I have been crafting tinctures and grinding materia to sell to would be Penta Melders all week and made some good gil but with Penta melding out the window I'm lucky to have made money on it while I did.
I didn't bother getting my crafters ready. They aren't even fully leveled yet. Better to just abuse cheap materia at this rate from people who aggressively undercut. Peoples failures to hold a firm price is making me monies ;p
But hey, your materia is still expensive so win for me lol. Maps and selling off my tomes to crafters has been good.
I spent 17 million pentamelding my crafting gear and the past 4 days of nonstop gathering materials and I haven't made but a million gill, really disappointing and honestly I am not really sure if I have the energy anymore to keep this up. Good luck to you guys out there my heart goes out.
i am so down in gil at this point but at least i got alot og gear made for myself and static members and im actually not mad about that
So my thoughts on crafting this tier, as its the first one i got into from the beginning but have tried it in shadowbringers: Its BS to get this so easy. Aphorism tomestone gear basically got irrelevant in an instant. The undercutting i was honestly expecting from the massive influx of players from other games.
I spent 20 mil pentamelding and was devastated that within an hour stuff got to where it is even now. I made back around 8 million today but the rest will be a painful grind...
Well remember that the gear is supposed to last until the next major patch; the accessories will likely be relevant up into 5.3. You'll probably make the gil back, and more, before then. And a lot of the recipes are doable without pentamelds; it looks like the devs are trying to move away from the mandatory pentamelding. Also 20mil to pentameld is pretty crazy ... you probably overpaid by a large margin.
@@magical11 Nah i was just massively unlucky melding. I lost a whole 80 materia on one overmeld at 17%.
But i made half my money back by now so its just futureproofing for the next drops of recipes
Undercutting huh? You from Jenova? Jenova loves doing that
The market crashing so quickly certainly doesn't have anything to do with people like Fur Daddy, Ashe, Desp etc all constantly putting up videos to cause FOMO about how you'll make so much money and to stock up on supplies... You don't get to complain about the market when you're part of the problem.
Right after maintenance, i saw people buying weapons for 5million each, 5 hours later they went down to 200k a piece, lul
On track to basically break even tbh
i farmed endtide aethersand for days ... put it in the morning for 8000 in the marketboard cuz it was reasonable at this moment and the same moment i got undercut hard and barely any people buying and not at time is the price down to 2500 and i was hoping to make barely enough money with it just to but me a medium house and now i will get around 6-7 mil if im lucky if i would adjust my prices....
I just sold materia food and tinctures and made about 25 to 30 million
A lot of the crafted gear on my server is expensive, but nobody is buying it lol
Cerberus just went to shit the first few hours, instead of ppl placing the items for 10-15m, ppl started undercutting each other by a lot which then plumeted whole market. Really sucks since i was ready with my pentamelds ready to make gil from high tier crafting content, only to find out requirement for entry for this content was laughable low
Oh yeah the Cerberus was such a clown fiesta. I created an alt on Spriggan and was buying crafted battle gear on Cerberus and selling it for double price on there. Made about 20 mils in 4 hours without any crafting/gathering.
I do think crafting has become way to easy and it is a joke for most people. Ok, if SE wants to make it more accessible fine. But, master recipes should not be so easy to craft. I do agree, why have pentamelding if you don't even need to do it to craft the recipes. It is a lot of wasted money and time. I love to craft and have been doing it since ARR and to see how it is now and that people do take it as a joke really bothers me. All I hear people saying is oh I just need the macro, or crafting is brain dead ect. I would like to see SE really put some thought and time into crafting and come up with better ways to challenge the crafting community and keep us interested. I think there are many ways to have crafting accessible for all but at the same time have in be fun, interesting and challenging. SE just has to put some thought and care into it. It just seems like crafting is just an after thought to SE at the moment.
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there is recipes that require pentameld to craft and they are the expert reicpe resplendent tools, not everything has to revolve around gil. the whole crafting system is laughably easy nowadays. also you make great vids and so do others but they are a double edged sword, how can you be so shocked when everyone is putting content out in how to prep, how to make mils etc... these videos are a big part in why everyone is so clued up in how to do it. which isnt a bad thing overall but it does obviously have an impact on everything overall
My thoughts exactly, kinda blows my mind everyone is so shocked in how the market didn't turn out how they wanted...but when everyone is voicing how they want the market to be like and predicting how its going to happen and what everyone should do...well the market is going to obviously change. At the end of the day the market is controlled by the players selling to other players so if you affect the players relating to the market...the market will be affected as well. Im so glad i took a back seat and didn't overly prep at all for this. Kinda seemed obvious in my opinion
@@kevinsora123 I'm personally glad i over prep on aethersand and legendary mats and battle material caused that right there made me 26 million while not being over prep would of left me with 10 million.
@@kevinsora123 yeah. i mean i prepped in materia and a lot of legendary mats etc.. but i do that anyways as i am basically a sole crafter. the real money was control and craft X materia... as soon as i saw that gear plummet then that was it for me and i went straight into mnateria mode. this fur guy makes some nice guides but all his info is just re hashed from ashe10 vids and others who all help contribute to smarten players up, i think you need to be able to spot the trends and try and find your own market. i knew it was game over when i saw 15 -20 ads on partyfinder for 580 gear.
I lost money over all. I feel so stupid leveling all my crafters and spending DAYS gathering these stupid mats. I got undercut by 5mil on one of the weapons I put up. such a huge waste of time. shouldve been leveling my battle classes than doing this dumb shit
made less than 500k from crafting 580 pieces
made like 10 mil from crafting materia
Hmmm, so more people, and a higher percentage crafting for themselves explains the middle materials using tomestones becoming better sellers. Since that's a hard-coded bottleneck requiring non-crafting activities. Most of the new crafters likely share similar guides/websites/streamers between them with the common knowledge for crafting this tier of content. So I assume the end consumers are many of the DIY types, rather than the theoretical savage raiders with large pockets and no crafting buddies. Also means more people will get burnt out quicker on crafting and some stability will occur until the next patch. The real gil makers are just another layer or two deeper then....(i.e. maps and FC's?).
Accessibility ruined this for me, I like crafting cause we're in control of our crafts, but once it comes to the MB, I'm at the will of 1000s of schmucks that don't know what they're doing
What're you're saying is you want a monopoly so only you can make money lol.
@@magical11 I'm saying that high skill, high investment crafting, like making things for the hardest content in the game, should be, you know, hard.
In your previous guide you failed to take into account several key things. The crafting changes in SHB make it far easier because of how actions/rotations were simplified, the addition of the firmament combined with the content lull increased the amount of max lvl crafters greatly and how easily this gear would be to make. Long time crafters knew about this and planned for it.
I know how to make Gil but uncutting is crazy
I lost 2 mil today, so I'm pretty salty about eh market problem. Hoping something sells
Yeah, I made 3 mil just selling my tomes of aphorism, I'm satisfied.
dude. bots have been doing expert crafts for quite some time. it does not matter how dificult it is. dont underestimate the bots
tbh i was making the hq new gear w crap pentamelded set and w/o manipulation i could hit a solid 86% , after learning manipulation it was a walk in a park. im hoping to sell pentamelded sets for a couple mill and that might be it Sadge
Everyone shouldn't panic. You can still make money the same exact way, it just won't be huge amounts at a time. Lot of overreacting here.
I don't think it being this easy to craft is a big deal. Making gil in this game is kind of not worth focusing too hard on, anyway. And to be honest, these videos where you give people the methods to craft and gather and give hints about how to make money floods markets and shit. Not to say you shouldn't do it, but its just a fact that videos like this create competition.
Wth the balance discord blm BiS crafted set melds have changed over night. I already melded the previous one.
it's kind of pretty stupid that we're going to be getting new crafting gear before this crafting gear pentamelded was able to make anything unique LOL
I got more profit selling materia than gear yesterday lmao.
I am sorry. Could you please repeat what you just said? I was distracted by your pet playing in the water. :D