Satriani Shootout - Marshall JVM 410 HJS vs Peavey JSX

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  • @Antjohns89
    @Antjohns89 Рік тому +9

    I have a JSX it is definately an underrated amp great clean and awesome high gain channels

  • @Darth.Shredder
    @Darth.Shredder Рік тому +4

    Another great shootout! As a JVM owner/fan I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm very impressed with the Peavey. I remember they were the cat's meow when they came out but after not hearing one for a while, it really holds up. Very smooth! As you said, the price on the Satriani JVM's are very high, especially here in the US where Marshall prices in general are nuts. Keep up the great work!

  • @tomaszs.potocki9925
    @tomaszs.potocki9925 29 днів тому

    You can plug your guitar into the high gain input of the JSX and a single button footswitch into the low gain input. Then use the footswitch to toggle between the two inputs on the fly.

  • @incitatus634
    @incitatus634 Рік тому +16

    To me the JSX sounds so much better. Specially when chugging.

  • @tomaszs.potocki9925
    @tomaszs.potocki9925 29 днів тому +1

    I have two JSXs and was looking to buy the Satch JVM. There is really no reason to do that I think. Awesome comparison, exactly what I needed.

  • @xiwiwix
    @xiwiwix Рік тому +3

    Great video! Both did their thing good, I can appreciate both. I've only owned the JSX (3 times xD twice the head, once a combo) and a non-Satch version JVM (2 times as well one head one combo), but man the JSX with an EQ in the loop can really do a lot. The mid's (PV more scooped) and highs (JVM Marshall top end) IMO are the biggest differences.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +2

      I very much agree... and I need to buy an EQ pedal

    • @ivanzivanovic4013
      @ivanzivanovic4013 Рік тому +2

      I am a firm believer of the EQ in the loop. I use it with all my amps…except the JSX…weird…that EQ they have on those amps channels is super active…

  • @ToneScavenger
    @ToneScavenger Рік тому +5

    I own the JSX but I love both. To me the biggest difference is in the mids. I'd buy a JVM410HJS in a heartbeat to go with my JSX.

  • @zanthraxus
    @zanthraxus 8 місяців тому +2

    Well I came past this video again while looking for Uncle Fester appearances, shame on me for not even feeding the algorithm!
    Cheers, mate!

  • @ZRisyad
    @ZRisyad Рік тому +3

    The JVM sounds huge but boy that JSX sounds tight af. Love both amps.

  • @ylemp
    @ylemp Рік тому +4

    The Marshall has a wide variety of great sounding and useable tones. I liked how clear and warm it sounded across all the channels. It was a touch darker than the Peavey but without any spikey or harsh tones. The one thing the Marshall didn’t do was get that barky, biting crunch tone, which I think comes from the amp sounding a little darker than the Peavey. It did get a tight percussive low ended on the boosted red channel, but lacked the bite and agro that the Peavey has.
    The Peavey has a nice boosted crunch channel. It’s tight, percussive, and aggressive and it gives you that chanky, djenty sound that’s trendy. But it’s also the only time I liked listening to the Peavey. It’s harsh in the high end and gets noticeably fizzier as the gain goes up and in most samples it sounds like it’s under a blanket. I really didn’t like the Peavey.
    The Marshall sounded better for everything other than the djenty tone.
    I think you did a good job of showcasing both amps and comparing them with each other.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому

      Thank you! I appreciate the detailed comment!

    • @chrishall5176
      @chrishall5176 Рік тому +1

      Honestly to my ears the jsx is way darker sounding than the Marshall which sounds more bright and in your face in comparison here. The JSC by comparison sounds darker and further back as of there is a dB difference between the two Amps. Both sound good in there own way. Personally due to other videos of the JSX I am looking for on a to purchase

  • @AkiraSpectrum
    @AkiraSpectrum 11 місяців тому +2

    great video! I prefer the JSX but both are killer.

  • @captainflamson
    @captainflamson 4 місяці тому +1

    The Butcher "newer" version, was indeed designed as the JSX 50, which Joe had used extensively on the first Chickenfoot album for all the lower gain rock tones. He raved about the amp in an interview shortly before going over to Marshall. Peavey then converted the power section to 100 watts (switchable to 50 watt and changed the cosmetics, the faceplate and control layout stayed the same) and released it as The Butcher which had nothing in common with the first Butcher from the '80s (more of a modded JCM 800 type). Try the JSX with 6L6 power tubes, when I had mine I definitely preferred it that way, great amps!

  • @jcwear89
    @jcwear89 Рік тому +5

    My friend had a JSX and it was a crushing metal amp. Great bargain if you can find one!

  • @eds4754
    @eds4754 Рік тому +3

    Great video!
    Marshall is cool for the crunchy Marshall thing, but the JSX sounds way bigger and more modern for the gainier stuff. HJS is a rad amp, but I think I prefer what the JSX offers!

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +1

      Thanks, Ed! I think I agree. I think I want to prefer the Marshall but have to admit to myself that the Peavey wins it for high gain

    • @eds4754
      @eds4754 Рік тому +1

      @@TheOtherJohnBrowne JSX is on quite a lot of records too. Everyone always assumes Andy Sneap=5150 and tubescreamer, but a TON of albums were JSX or Krank. I’ve never owned one, but some of the tweaks they did to the Triple XXX look like the make a lot of sense (better clean channel, resonance and presence etc).

  • @TheSoulflytriber
    @TheSoulflytriber Рік тому +3

    Jsx is my favorite amp of all amps what I have tried (6505, 6505+, triple xxx/3120, evh 5150 III 100w, 5150 stealth 100w, powerball 2, fireball 60, crate bv-150, prs mt15, savage 120 mk. i). The ultra CHANNEL with FAT on and more mids it's identical with triple xxx/3120's crunch/rhythm channel. But when FAT is off and gain is little bit raised (for compensate amount of distortion) it's cutting like chainsaw.
    One more interesting thing is power amp. I don't know why but presence and resonance on 0 it's almost same (little bit different frequency curve) as 6505 with them on 9 and 7.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +1

      I need to try the power amp controls on 0 trick. Thanks for commenting

    • @TheSoulflytriber
      @TheSoulflytriber Рік тому +1

      @@TheOtherJohnBrowne 3120 with damping on tight it's same story. But it has more presence and less resonance than jsx. I measured it with pink noise through the return and from di box between amp and cab back to the pc.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому

      @@TheSoulflytriber That's awesome! Did you publish that test? I have a 3120 too

    • @TheSoulflytriber
      @TheSoulflytriber Рік тому

      @@TheOtherJohnBrowne it's not published but I have saved it in my pc :D I can send it to you if you want.

    • @jotunbjorn
      @jotunbjorn Рік тому

      If I'm understanding correctly the 5150 has a logarithmic pot for presence, meaning it doesn't do much to the sound before 2 o'clock. Most amps use linear pots.

  • @HaydenMcCarry
    @HaydenMcCarry Рік тому +1

    Awesome video bro! Love both those amps!

  • @boddumblues
    @boddumblues 8 місяців тому

    The HJS clean channel is that of a 6100 model and it is the best clean channel Marshall has ever produced!!

  • @clintn6677
    @clintn6677 Рік тому +2

    I love Peavey amps but have never owned the JSX or XXX. Im hoping to sort that out soon.

    • @TVoltG
      @TVoltG Рік тому +1

      Can't go wrong with either heads

  • @1thess523
    @1thess523 Рік тому

    I like that crunch channel riff 👍

  • @stevesmulski1462
    @stevesmulski1462 9 місяців тому +1

    I picked up a JSX head for £400 with a Marshall 4x12 cab included about a year ago.
    Can’t complain(!) 😎

  • @DemonKingOFFICIAL
    @DemonKingOFFICIAL Рік тому +5

    I think the Marshall is probably better for Satch’s sound, but the JSX is an overall cooler amp, imo.

  • @chosenone2964
    @chosenone2964 Місяць тому

    The JSX has a morw boosted in your face sound but the Marshall sounds clean and defined

  • @marviosantos
    @marviosantos 8 місяців тому +1

    Good shoot out man! However you should have your JSX checked maybe? I've had one for 10 years and I can tell you that the clean channel should not break up at all, if anything that's a pitfall of that channel? (Not for me) . The only time I got it too break up was when playing with active pick ups and at deafening levels🤣
    Also, are you running 6L6's on the power section? The JSX has tons of MIDs to the point that it can get boxy, your tone sounded very scooped. I always ran mine with EL34's , which is what comes with it.
    Good trick with this amps is too keep the channels level very low and push the master level, on top of that bridge the FX loop and crank the level there too. You can get power amp distortion at "sensible" volumes , give it a shot😉
    The clean channel is from a classic 50
    The crunch is a modified 5150
    The ultra is from the XXX

  • @dennisfuzzhead4439
    @dennisfuzzhead4439 Рік тому +1

    Which pickups did your CE24 come with? I think of swapping the Mojotones in my CE24 DW for something else. I really love the 58/15 "S" set in my PRS S2, most versatile pickups I ever played from clean to death metal.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +1

      My CE is the only the guitar I play that has its stock pickups. I really love the 85/15. They feel much hotter to me than they should on paper

  • @walth9092
    @walth9092 Рік тому +1

    Try putting 6L6 power tubes. I have the JVM HJS, and I am working on changing to TAD EL34s. I want to see if it changes anything.

  • @MacawAviculture
    @MacawAviculture 11 місяців тому +1

    Hi, great video! The head shell in my Marshall HJS was demolished after shipping, where did you get the beautiful white head shell on yours? Thanks!

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  11 місяців тому

      Cheers!
      I believe this is the original headshell that the previous owner retolexed.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  11 місяців тому

      Sorry to hear about your amp. If you're in Eurrope or the UK, I'm sure Zilla could help you out. I hear Mojotone in the US make great headshells too

    • @MacawAviculture
      @MacawAviculture 11 місяців тому

      @@TheOtherJohnBrowne I am in the USA, thank you for the information!

  • @eygerywazzup
    @eygerywazzup 4 місяці тому +1

    Hey John,
    the Satriani is a sick amp. I got one as well and since I was just changing the tubes to a new set I was confronted with biasing the tubes as well. There's a lot of contrary info out there on which values you should go with on this particular amp. Some say you should bias it to 35mV, some say 70mV per side like on the standard jvm. Yes it's mV because of the small little 1 Ohm resistor in the circuit. I tried both and went with the 35mV since the 70 sounded somehow off to me. There's info out there that, since the electronics in this amp are quite different to the standard jvm410h, the bias value is also different.
    Now follows my question after a lot of bla bla bla... Do you have experience with basing this amp?
    By the way... Sick case... Where's that one from? I want a custom one as well 😋

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  4 місяці тому +1

      The headshell was modded by its previous owner but I do like the look a lot.
      I would not rely on the mV readings across the 1 Ohm resistor and definitive values alone.
      I would always measure the plate voltage and then set the quiescent current/bias current according to bias tables for that particular tube type.
      Do you remember the bias drift issue with JCM 2000s because of sub optimal pcb layout and material? I believe part of that had to do with bias test point values of 45 mV per tube floating around at the time. If I had set that value up on my JCM 2000, the bias would have been WAY outside of the safe operating range. With that in mind, I'm not surprised many of those amps had issues.

    • @eygerywazzup
      @eygerywazzup 4 місяці тому

      @@TheOtherJohnBrowne Thanks for your quick answer! I see, with this method you're excluding any odd circuitry and you can be sure of what you're adjusting is right. That sounds better indeed thanks! 😁 I remember that I read something about that issue while searching for Infos on the HJS. Wasn't there something similar on the standard Jvm410h as well?
      Regarding the headshell. I found a company called Buzzaro which is manufacturing custom headshells. I'll try my luck there 😋

  • @PippPriss
    @PippPriss Рік тому +2

    A buddy of mine has the JVM JS, sounds great. I think I'd go still for the JSX, because THRASH.

  • @chrismonaut
    @chrismonaut Рік тому +1

    Great video! I love them both, but slightly prefer the JSX. But I play Ultras for half my life, that plays into it quite a bit :D
    Still a bit mad at myself that I was too slow to buy this JVMJS, but happy to see it in good hands :)

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +1

      Thanks man! Oh yeah, that's right. You were after that JVM too!

  • @bengirard1984
    @bengirard1984 Рік тому +3

    Great comparison! I preferred the JSX overall because I think it’s tighter and a bit more aggressive. I have a 3120 with KT77 but I never played a JSX. Sometimes I wonder if I should get one but there so many amps to try nowadays haha Since you also have a 6534+, which one do you prefer between the two? Doing a shootout could be cool too 😎

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +2

      I might do that at some stage. To be honest, I could not say which I prefer because they are so different...
      I think I will have to make a shootout now

    • @bengirard1984
      @bengirard1984 Рік тому

      @@TheOtherJohnBrowne Haha nice!! I never had the chance to play a 6534+ either. Right now I’m more into my modded Marshall phase but I always come back to Peavey for some reasons. Always. Lol

    • @toddhahn3690
      @toddhahn3690 Рік тому

      That Marshall with a boost is just 😤🤌 I like the JSX more overall for metal/high gain, but the orange crunch with a boost on the Marshall has something special going on in the mids.
      You got them both dialed in greatly, in my opinion. Try dialing in a Mesa single rectifier 😅
      I recently discovered your channel, but I've watched some other videos already. A video about that Peavey 3120 would be really cool... just saying.

  • @ivanzivanovic4013
    @ivanzivanovic4013 Рік тому +1

    Crazy how much we have to lower the gain if boosting. If you dare put it past 9-10 o clock, squeal city!

  • @Thansferium
    @Thansferium Рік тому +1

    I have had the HJS for a couple of years now, it is a fantastic amp, but it's not a metal chugmachine, I've tried to make it be one as I play in a metalband, but that's just not what it's strength is. For leads it's awesome and the crunch channel is really good though!

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +1

      I think you put that very well. After this test, I feel very similarly about it

    • @Thansferium
      @Thansferium Рік тому +1

      @@TheOtherJohnBrowne yeah I was in the same situation just trying to make it work in that context, but comparing it to the Peavey Invective I got last week it really is no contest. But then again the crunch channel on the Peavey is a lot weaker so I can totally justify keeping them both to myself :p Thanks for your video's!

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +1

      @@Thansferium Finding reasons to keep amps is something I am really good at... unfortunately 😂
      Thanks, mate! Appreciate your comments

    • @balderfanini
      @balderfanini Рік тому +1

      Have you tried an eq pedal (i use the boss ge7) in the effects loop. Set in the 'V' shape, vicious metal sounds.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому

      @@balderfanini I have not. Looks like I will have to buy one

  • @jaf8313
    @jaf8313 Рік тому +1

    Boy, I didn't think it was very close. The JSX sounds like it has a blanket on it.....I thought the JVM sounded great.

  • @ivanzivanovic4013
    @ivanzivanovic4013 Рік тому +1

    Next up you should compare the JSX to the 6534+…

  • @Greg25815
    @Greg25815 Рік тому

    Nice comparison ;)

  • @chrishall5176
    @chrishall5176 Рік тому +1

    The question is how would the JSX 2 sound like?

    • @hogopogo7616
      @hogopogo7616 Рік тому

      No one knows about that , but only the Father.

  • @LeonTodd
    @LeonTodd Рік тому +2

    18:30 😂

  • @obsidianmetalofficial717
    @obsidianmetalofficial717 10 місяців тому +2

    Still shocked at how overlooked and cheap the JSX is for modern high gain

  • @NotAnotherSatchFan
    @NotAnotherSatchFan Рік тому

    I miss Satriani sound when he still use JSX

  • @Chugg.Norris
    @Chugg.Norris 8 місяців тому

    Marshall 100%
    If you listen through good speakers, to me its obvious.

  • @DavidJosephBoth
    @DavidJosephBoth 8 місяців тому

    For the tone/playstyle John always goes for the JVMJS would be a pointless buy (it's completely not for that eq and gated chug metalcore sound).
    I'd also argue there are other amps that do it better than a JSX by quite a stretch (imho).
    Cool video though, i do like the jsx doing other tones also (not just the tight metal-core type rhythm stuff). JSX is versatile amp.
    That Satch amp in another's hands (style,eq,) will walk on the JSX imho

    • @DavidJosephBoth
      @DavidJosephBoth 8 місяців тому

      I thought the XXX version 2 was the jsx rebranded. (i could be wrong too)

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  8 місяців тому

      You are correct. There were a few minor changes but for all intents and purposes the Triple XXX 2 is a rebadged JSX

  • @themanicmechanics496
    @themanicmechanics496 8 місяців тому +1

    You need to play more lead lines, since both amps, but primarily the HJS was designed to be a lead player's amp. I've hugged the HJS for about 10 years, and it really sits in the mix well, your playing always shines through without overpowering the band with volume. Chuggy is really not a Satch thing. Hit any gainy amp with a DS1 and it chugs well. Listen to Joe's UA-cam tunes when playing both amps. Rhythm sounds similar, but lead lines are noticeably different, the HJS much more fluid and grand imho.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  8 місяців тому

      Fair. Leads aren't my strong suit as I don't enjoy them as much as riffing. At the same time, point taken

  • @XlouietheflyX
    @XlouietheflyX Рік тому

    JSX is the best!

  • @misfitwookiee3177
    @misfitwookiee3177 Рік тому +1

    Dude... I'm bedridden and I watch YT on my 4K tv... and I have ZERO idea of what you say about the Peavey camera angle! I can read even the know settings, so your apology is moot. No worries, bro.
    Tangent: Hopefully we can get that motherFricker to do a video detailing how to set up a 500-series (or, better yet, an outboard rack video for the aBsOlUt N00b)!

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +1

      Well, then great! Sorry to hear you are under the weather. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
      And yes, I would love to see more 500 series gear vids

    • @misfitwookiee3177
      @misfitwookiee3177 Рік тому +1

      ​@TheOtherJohnBrowne Thanks, bro. Broke my L5 20 years ago, misdiagnosed for 15. Sucks, but 'Murica!
      Turns out I'm a Peavey Fanboy. I have a Mark VIII bass amp and now have plans for the Synergy 6505 once I get the SYN-2 for my future-rackmount set-up and getting my hands on a JSX! Thanks again for your great content!

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому +1

      @@misfitwookiee3177 Ouch! Hope you're getting taken care of properly now!
      That sounds like a cool setup. I still need to try the 6505 module but it sounds immense in all demos.
      Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate it!

    • @misfitwookiee3177
      @misfitwookiee3177 Рік тому

      @TheOtherJohnBrowne Thanks. My new mantra has been "Never Say Die", and thanks to YTers like you & Glenn I'm learning how to make my voice heard as professionally as possible!

  • @danielbelensky5513
    @danielbelensky5513 Рік тому +1

    Didn't expect JVM to be so Dark. Maybe it's old worn tubes??? if tubes are fine and this is the way JVM supposed to be, sonically, I really like Peavey much better, despite the fact that I was always fascinated by JVM JS amp.
    PS hate that Peavey panel design & layout, fonts, silly name of the channels, digits 1-10 on each knob like I don't know how to count, looks cheap, and weird.
    PSS wouldn't even notice blur even after you mentioned it. too busy listening.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому

      I thought the same but I checked all the tubes and tried different ones but it just seems to be the nature of the Satriani JVM. Leon Todd made a video comparing the standard JVM and the Satriani JVM and the Satriani is over all noticeably smoother

  • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
    @TheOtherJohnBrowne  Рік тому

    Which one would you rather have? Marshall or Peavey?

    • @kenwheeler251
      @kenwheeler251 3 дні тому

      Peavey because the Marshall JVM effects loops are noisy crap. No noise gate can fix that.

  • @chrissanders8362
    @chrissanders8362 10 місяців тому

    The Marshall is by far a better sounding amp, but to my ears I would take a lot of that ear piecing Treble down quite considerable..

  • @jaredrevere9113
    @jaredrevere9113 Рік тому

    I do the same with my face while playing, I never understood why, guess it's more to do with anxiety.

  • @KaddysJamKave
    @KaddysJamKave Рік тому +2

    18:25 Haha I did the same in a recent video... don't think anybody noticed 😂

  • @charlesmorrell841
    @charlesmorrell841 6 місяців тому

    If you want that JSX to CHUG, get that resonance up around 3 o’clock & it will eat that Marshall alive!!

  • @josephbutler148
    @josephbutler148 Рік тому +2

    Had the normal 410 and the jsx. Marshall is way better the jsx is probably my least fave peavey

  • @wayne9934
    @wayne9934 6 місяців тому +1

    The jvm price is Ridiculous The Marshall DSL sounds better than the JVM and it don't cost near as much.

    • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
      @TheOtherJohnBrowne  6 місяців тому

      @@wayne9934 I absolutely agree. The DSL is a top tier Marshall