Are These JUNK TOO? 1.6L Hyundai / KIa GAMMA II GDI Engine Teardown
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- Опубліковано 26 бер 2024
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Here's weekly dose of your catastrophic engine forensics! Every week you can find a new teardown of some abused, misused and/or poorly designed engine. Here are some of my favorites:
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Today we tear down a 1.6L Gamma II 1.6L 4cyl from a 2019 Kia Rio S with just 83k miles! The Gamma engine is in a ton of different Hyundai and Kia models and is still produced today. There are many different variants of this engine, this one being the G4FG, a non turbo direct injected engine that makes about 130hp found in the Hyundai Accent and Kia Rio.
This engine clearly suffered a catastrophic event, but why? Was it poor maintenance? Run low on oil? Manufacturing defect? The failure this engine suffered definitely raises some eyebrows.
Why am I doing this? My name is Eric and I own and run a full service auto salvage business called Importapart. Part of our model includes buying blown up engines and dismantling to salvage the good parts to resell. We do not rebuild or repair engines, we simply supply parts to people who do! I've left links at the top to reach us about parts.
I really hope you enjoyed this teardown, as always I love all of the comments, feedback and even the criticism. Catch you on the next one!
-Eric - Авто та транспорт
Oil in engine: Good
Engine in oil: Bad
😂😅😅😂😂😂
😂 I laughed too hard at this.
But on the left there´s nothing right. And on the right there´s nothing left...
Love that 😅
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Worked in a KIA Service Department for 2 years. At one poing we had 60ish long blocks awaiting install into Cars. KIA engines are so sensitive to oil change intervals, if you don't follow the 5K rule you're dooming them to fail. Their GDI engines can use up to 1qt per 1000 miles and KIA says it normal consumption.. If you own one check that dipstick everytime you get gas...
Haven’t heard much on their diesel engines, how do you feel about those?
This is why I never considered buying one
They would benefit from larger oil pan, 1 qt per 1000 miles should be enough oil in it to last between changes. I don't know.
It seems to be a PVC system issue on these. They pull in massive amounts of oil through the intake tract FROM the crankcase ventilation system. Someone at KIA messed up in the valve or basic pressure differential work. If you fix this yourself, oil consumption goes down to what you would expect from any other engine. It's weird, like no one caught it at the design/test stage.
We have a 21' Stinger GT with 52k, the oil gets changed every 4-5k, it burns zero oil and it runs like a champ.
That was the most incredible display of Channellock mastery I have ever seen. Using the wrong end of the wrong tool to accomplish the goal was amazing! Keep the tool tips coming!
The new Kia ad “Kia, drive it like you stole it, because someone will.” 😂
"Kia: engines so terrible, you'll want to buy one of our EV's, and hate yourself more."
Bad oil change interval, then stolen and driven on and past the red line till blowup.
@@ehiebert1297 What kind of car lets you drive past the redline these days?🤡
@@user-wm3fc1sk1p It's a Kia they let you steal them easy if they have red line inhibitors it most likely does not work.
Should have said driven to the rev limiter, but I am old and last time I drove a car into the red was in the 90's. Did not know modern cars had rev limiters.
@@ehiebert1297Happy 90th
Your sense of humor cracks this old man up. Your doin fine young man. We need more like you these days.
I so agree!
Shoutout to the unsung hero that comes in the next day picking up head gaskets and chain guides off the floor...
Why does he throw good parts? So annoying.
Don’t know if your being sarcastic or not, but you never buy used chain guides, and they can have invisible material on them witch can circulate thought your engine, causing issues, same thing for the chain. But for the water pumps, I’m unsure. But I am sure there is a similar reason why.
*I really hope your being sarcastic though…*
You, and the other online wrenchers make me want to change the oil in my engines every 100 miles.
What I've learned is 6 month to 1yr change intervals even if you only drove 1500 miles based upon pulling the valve cover off for inspection over 150k miles and 15 years on my Honda .. it really does make a difference
Oil -- even 100% full synthetic -- is cheaper than a 'new' engine! 🛢️👍🏻🛢️🤔
I go 10000 minimum synthetic oil
Quality, don't skimp on the quality.
Ha ha, so true, so true!
I was at a KIA dealership getting a valve cover (2.0 Turbo GDI) (tiny crack) and gasket replaced under warranty and was discussing things about it with the tech and he related how clean mine was inside and shared that they have two techs in the shop and all they do is replace engines, about 30 a month. He said a lot were due to what they consider owner neglect.
Not this one.
That's what they may think but all brands have negligent owners. The sludging is from the PCV failing first.
I got my oil changed regularly, and the tech told me mine was "the most well maintained one he'd seen at 150k+". But yeah, engine still died at 119k. They were just poorly designed, period.
@@MattPSU02 Yup, it's just a coping mechanism. All brands get neglected, even premium ones by people that can't afford them. None of them blow up quite as much as Kia.
I totally believe that. People who buy these kind of cars want to gas up and go ad infinitum, whether it be due to lack of knowledge or monetary restrictions.
The 1.6L Gamma engine is used in the KIA Niro hybrid. There is a guy on the KIA Niro forums that had over 450,000 miles on his Niro before the hybrid battery failed(it was a 2017 model if memory serves me). He used the car for escorting 18 wheelers hauling oversized loads. He was very good at oil changes though.
Kia engines last they're just SUPER picky to oil. They both burn alot of oil and also need regular if not more than regular changes
Escorting heavy loads would be a very gentle drive. Engines are definitely not what they used to be. I have known old overhead valve engines last 40+ years of family use, including towing broken down cars and caravans. Changing a head gasket or water pump etc could be done on your driveway at home. They were so solid and all the maintenance could be done at home
@@fillipo1972 while it may be gentle when driving, he did mention that there were times that he did not shut the car off for an entire week straight. For some engines, high idle time is an absolute killer.
@@91CavGT5whoa, but yeah oil changes regular is key my sister 1.8mpi i30 i change the oil every 6 months regardless of k's but it rarely gos past 5000km between oil changes and i use full synthetic 10w30 oil as we live in a warmer climate.
I have a 22 niro hybrid. Great running little car. I was against a hybrid before the test drive on the basis that it has potential of problems from both the gas and electric systems. But it handle great, good enough power, and tons of features and terrific mileage. I took it on a trip across WV on the turnpike to see barnwood builders, expecting worse mileage because of the very long hills...but it got way better, probably because down hills the engine was off and charging the battery hard core.
Throwing the cam caps into a " raffle bucket " sounds like fun
I like the idea!
"The most religious engine we've had in a long time."
More holes in that engine than Scientology theology. 😆😆
Unfair. The holes in the Kia are countable, the holes in Scientology are not.
Is it telling all the other engines how bad they are and that they should be a Gamma just like them?
@@HappyHarryHardon
Maybe Kia/Hyundai should offer a billion year warranty. 😄
I’ll give you an a for creativity. I wrote this while watching Eric take timing cover off.
BAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
A buddy of mine works in the accounting part of Hyundai. He drives a Honda. That tells me a lot.
Yup, they are much closer to european "quality" than Japanese...
My neighbor that works at GM has two Toyota's in his driveway.
A 90s Honda?
Wow, that's sad! 😢😮🤦🏻♂️🤔🤷🏻♂️
My dads nephews uncles friend has a friend who’s brother drives a Honda that went through 5 engines in 2 years what does that tell you. 🤷♀️ So many dooms day people on these forums. Fun to read all of the foolish comments. Yours is a good one.
That poor engine had 2 oil changes, 3 max, in its whole life I bet
Rod bearings go and people keep driving um. Dirty oil will and carboned up intake will release chunks and clog up oil passages.
Definitely lack of oil changes
And with how it looks possibly only 1 ..
"Oh, that rattle is normal. It's fine."
"What noise? I can't hear anything over the radio!" 🎶🤔👌🏻😎😅
I literally just finished rebuilding one of these yesterday. They are very cheap and easy to build. If they were just a little easier to remove it would be worth the money to rebuild them every 100K. It kind of reminded me of an1980s motorcycle motor. Mine had the rod knock, no inspection port. I couldn't believe how many machining chips were in the oil pan. It looked like the machinist emptied his chip bin into the oil pan. Mine started tapping at 100k and only lasted a month before it became significantly too loud to drive. At break in it was smooth and quiet. Now we will see how long it will run without steel chips in the pan. Wish me luck.
How hard would it be for them to blow out the chips at the factory instead of leaving them in the block?
Honestly I don't know why you bother 😭
These engines are pretty easy to remove tbh . Mainly in the Tucsons
mine was fine at 102k,startee d knocking at 105k ,Got a rebuilt engine from Kia for free.
@aregeebee201 small bore spacing, small bores but long stroke
Good luck.
Am I the only one that thinks he's doing something special with all those timing chains? Always treats them nice
There are some UA-camrs who make Damascus knives out of timing chains. Maybe Eric is their supplier?
The 1.6 Gamma turbo in my 2017 Elantra Sport was amazing. I put that car through hell and back with canyon runs and yearly autocross. Was modified for more boost too. Even had a bigger turbo on it for a bit. Sold it at 90k miles to my brother who put another 12k on it with zero issues. Good car. Maybe the key was 3k mile oil changes, routing valve cleaning and avoiding boost until it was fully up to temp. Never burned any oil. I completely regret selling it, and will likely purchase another.
That chain tensioner skit you threw in last time was gold. It's a real shame this one had a design flaw that prevented it from ejecting itself into orbit.
All his employees now have to wear safety helmets when Eric is in the shop...
I'm surprised the 100,000 mile warranty hasn't bankrupted the Korean twins. A friend had her engine replaced at 96,000 miles for oil consumption. She said there was a stack of over a dozen engines in crates waiting to be installed. These engines must be incredibly cheap to produce.
Hyundai had to spend billions extending the warranties of owners with these engines, as well as the Theta IIs and some Nus.
100k warranty is only to the original owner. A lot of these cars are leased so the new owner only gets warrantied until 60k
The Korean government will bail them out, that's why.
The Korean Chaebol are basically aided and subsidized by the SK government to a degree that people in the US wouldn't understand, even compared to 2008. Just like LG and Samsung, Hyundai is too big to fail now and has significant influence. They don't feel consequences so they will continue to cut corners. See: lawsuits over LG refrigerators, Samsung washer/dryers, etc.
If you sell a car that cost you $6000 to build for $20,000 you got room for an engine, or three.
My grandmother has a 2014 Hyundai Accent with a Gamma engine. She learned very quickly that lots of city driving will make the low oil pressure come on before you reach the recommended oil change interval. Since then, she has topped the oil off every month, and the engine has made it to 285,000 miles with no major issues.
Damn nice!! My 2014 accent is approaching 150k miles! Tell her to add a catch can to minimize carbon build up on the intake valves. I added one to mine. Easy to empty out
Another Hyundai owner story, Elantra, 30,000 miles, came in with a loud knock. No oil on the dipstick, after the writer called the owner they freaked out and came to the dealer, yelling at the writer, the manager, I can hear all this from my bay so I walk over and the owner is still ranting about why his 2 year old car has no warranty. I look at him and deadpan “sir, your car had no oil in it” he screams back “NO OIL IN IT? DIDN’T IT COME WITH OIL?” I just laughed and walked away, let my manager deal with the moron.
A good engine won't burn oil ... Hyundai fill the oil and check the gas 😆
@@rockytop4I mean, every engine burns some oil. It's impossible not to. No oil ring is perfect and some will always be pulled in by the PCV system being turned to an aerosol in the crankcase. Over 2 years, depending on driving habits, especially on a new engine that was still breaking in, quarts will be lost. Then there's the "doesn't it come with oil?" comment on a 2 year old car serving as an admission that oil changes literally never occurred.
Not saying I'd ever even remotely consider a -firebomb- Hyundai/Kia, but that person earned every penny of that bill!
@@94XJ I agree but a good car using good oil and top tear gas my Chevy burn so little every 5000 miles I can't tell it on the dip stick and it has over 300,000 miles 🇺🇸union yes 💪
And more than likely college educated.
I've left oil in a junk car for more than two years and it never lost oil. Kia design is garbage
The piston has mechanically regapped the spark plug to its liking
I’m losing my shit laughing 🤣🤣🤣
Still shocked you haven't given a water pump a Tannerite funeral
thermite
Yeah, well, I'm sure the neighbors are thankful he hasn't.
Either one would be fun!
i used to work at a hyundai and kia dealership in australia. these engine were good engines, hardly any problems at all. this failure looks like its due to neglect. we did have problems on the 2.4L engines and some 1.8L but nothing compared to what you are quoting in america. they did redesign the engines. the 1.8 got oil squirters and a different chain.
one other thing that does look a bit suss is that the number 3 sparkplug ceramic has dropped down and covered the electrode. that could have caused an issue if that happed before engine failure. not the first one i have seen. it might have filled the cylinder with fuel and hydrolocked.
another thing to look out for with all the direct injection engines was the high pressure fuel pump leaking fuel into the engine when its turned off. fitting a fuel pressure tester will show the pressure drop over time. it should. and when you start it again it cranks a bit more because it has to build pressure first. when the fuel leaks in it thins the oil and burns the oil. then seizes engine when oil runs out. again all high pressure fuel pumps an do this.
but these engine were great, so simple and easy to work on. and it is really well built. metal water pump with metal gasket. metal coolant bypass pipe with metal gasket. metal rocker cover. metal thermostat housing. dowled crank gears and cam gears. obvious marking on the timing chains and gears. very simple and super reliable chain and guides ( looking at you bmw). bucket valves.
and yes that cam cover was glued on that well. hardly any leaks. simple and easy. no gaskets needed.
If you religious change the oil at 10 thousand klms you should not have a problem with this engine 120n owner.
I have 2 Hyundais at the moment, 1.8 and 1.6 gdi. Both have been serviced regularly by the book give or take, and both are great.....was this a us manufacturer issue mainly?
@@aisrael13 it was a certain range for the 1.8, you may have the updates ones. and the 1.6 was fine. this was just really poor servicing.
@@aisrael13i think it's a us market issue, even the us hondas and toyotas are not very well made
How about the G4NH (2.0 NU Mpi Atkinson) engine???? Idk about Australia but they’re used in the 2017-current Elantras/avante. As well as the Hyundai Kona’s and the Kia forte/K3 and Kia seltos.
Obviously happened while gthe driver was warming it up in his driveway - on the rev limiter..
Sounds like a neighbor somehow we all had.
Traded in my Hyundai Kona with this engine. 92000 miles no issues. I change oil every 3-4000 miles. Makes a difference
Engine ran, engine made noise, engine gunned to 10k RPM, trans shift to 1st gear, engine released all amounts of tension...now it's taking a breather to cool down for a bit. As you say, "it'll be fine."
Had a 2013 Kia with this engine. Bought it new changed the oil, used seafoam intake cleaner every oil change and ran it for 120k not a single issue and 35 mpg
Did it die? or did you just sell it?
@@MrTLsnow I sold it. I no longer need it to commute but it treated me well. Only held a few quarts of oil and changed every 5k miles
Direct injection seems to kill more engines than bad maintenance...😬
Great vid as always. ❤
This poor engine didn’t stand a chance!
Between GDI and what looks like a complete lack of any basic maintenance.
GDI adds another complex and wear factor to engines which means theyll be even more sensitive to maintenance intervals, especially oil. Don't listen to the extended 6k-20k mile oil change BS. Manufacturers are pushing this so that more engines go, forcing people to buy cars more frequently. 3-4k oil change intervals are the way to go. It's not a waste since oil is cheap, but replacement engines aren't.
@@ashc3765 We know they took it to Valvoline at least once, judging by the oil filter.
Other GDI engines do just fine. Maybe not german or korean ones. But other ones lol.
No fuel to wash the valves. Some "premium" makes have a cycle that periodically spray fuel in the intake for that reason.
Any problems thinking they can withstand Eric's determination:
Eric: I'm Forklift certified.
We have the 1.8 with 110k still smooth; but I know a lot of people with knock on these. Used to work at a Hyundai/Mazda lot; the difference was crazy; most of the Mazda guys would pickup Hyundai services to help out. It was like 4 Hyundai techs for every Mazda tech.
Bravo Eric on graduating to ‘proper’ channel locks usage 👏
I had a Hyundai Veloster turbo with this engine. The turbo and short block needed replaced at just 28k miles. I changed my oil every 3k miles, using mobil 1 5w-20 as specified
maybe that's where all those ugly little bastards went
I guess you should have changed it every 1000 miles (j/k). Folks just refuse to believe these things are made of inferior parts.
Here's a perfectly good, full race-prepped and weight reduced block for ya as a spare!
@@starkeymorgan4142 It's crazy. So much copium. People who even suggest that Kia engines suck get attacked on the forums.
It's them recommending you use 5W-20 what killed it probably. That's a horrible idea on any turbo engine, especially one with direct injection. Once fuel dilution sets in the oil becomes so thin it doesn't lubricate properly. Add higher cylinder pressures and Kia/Hyundai's tendency to run the engines lean and it's the perfect recipe for a blown turbo engine.
I read an article recently about a person who bought a used car from carmax, drove it 8 months and some ridiculous amount (like 24K miles) with the engine oil light on. Engine gave out and then carmax told them that the warranty wouldn't cover it and their response was "Well, I've never owned one of these types of cars so I didnt know what the light on the dash was for". LOL Maybe the drivers test should have something about Engine Oil on it. I guess if people actually changed their oil regularly, we wouldn't get these great tear-down videos.
Types of cars with an owner's manual?
I don't get why people claim ignorance (feigned or real) as an excuse and think it will work. Like- so what you didn't know what it meant? Look it up! It's not like we don't all have literal supercomputers in our hands.
@@sc3kuyeah, I don't understand why people can't use Google.
Love the water pump levity - prolly my favorite part of the teardowns
midweek teardowns are a lifesaver thanks eric!
Am so appreciating your mid week vids, thank so very much for another awesome show!!
I've got the turbo version of this engine (G4FJ) and it handles power well enough. Just have to make sure to change the oil every 4000 miles max on it. First engine went at 21000 miles. Current one has lasted to 139000 more miles and sounds happy all the time.
Your videos are causing me to love points, condensor and rotor again. Ha! Tell you what-- I'm more convinced than ever that simplicity is highly undervalued today.
I appreciate your work here. A real bird's eye view, you might say.
This teardown is amazing! The punishment this engine took is incredible, and you explain everything so clearly. Great job!
When's the next live Q&A? The last one you had with Mrs. I Do Cars was a lot of fun.
I’ll figure out when we can do that!
Ive got this engine in a 2014 hyundai accent. 133k miles no major issues except for a small amount of oil usage between 3k oil changes. Got it with 110k miles and have used OEM oil filter and full synthetic 5w20 castrol oil each time.
THIS IS DETRIMENTAL FOR THESE HYUNDAI AND KIA ENGINES. They have weak oil pumps thus you HAVE to change the oil out every 3k to no more than 4k miles so it doesnt sludge up and you MUST use OEM recommended oil filter from the dealer. Its designed to keep oil at the top of oil filter so its there at startups/cold starts. This will spare your engine wear and tear.
So glad Hyundai bought my 2011 sonata back , glad to be out from underneath that POS ! Mine ate 10qts every 3k ! Maybe they should make two stroke engines they would use less oil !
Hahah i’m glad to
Hear that
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my 2011 has same oil level since it last oil change over year ago, just over year this time as not so many miles but yearly oil change even if it looks good. 4 years ownership never had to do a oil top up, always the same every time i check it. but it was made in turkey not usa so could be one reason and its been well maintained has good service history
@@stevekenilworthKEEP AN EYE ON IT AND PUT A CATCH CAN ON IT !
Thank you for taking the time to make such interesting and educational videos .
My 5 year old grandson has watched a couple episodes with me and loved it! Keep up the great videos and tool tips coming!!!
That is a very pious engine. I bet it never missed a service. No, not that kind of service. It missed others.
Thanks for the video Eric! I've learned a lot from these tear downs, and I'm a car guy!
We’ve had a few 1.6’s throw a rod and will still run, one completely deleted the oil filter housing, hole the size of a bowling ball in the side of the block. The 1.6’s are the better engines in the Hyundai/Kia lineup, but like any engine, lack of maintenance kills them
I had an early 2.0T, and it eventually died. Back in 2018 or so, on the Hyundai message boards, FB groups, and subreddits, the 1.6T owners would brag about how they had the "good one", and thought the 1.6T would not be subject to all the failures. NOPE. The 1.6T was included in the class action lawsuits and recalls, and now that they're getting older, they're seeing a ton of failures too. Maybe not as bad as the all-time-bad 2.0T, or the awful 2.4 (which I also own...) but still not good. And worse, many were sold with the junk 7 speed transmission in the ECO trims. It is evident that the Hyundai engineers tried to improve on the Gamma, but they didn't get it right.
4:42 ,yup those are great on catching junk ,it caught a entire KIA 1.6 engine on it
Nice, I love those bonus tear-downs ❤
Safety box doing a great job keeping you safe
Normally engines end up on this channel from neglect. This engine is just here because it's out of a Kia with over 80k miles 🤣
Just ran out of time.
Doubled a normal Kia miles. Proud of this one.
@@brandonputman7249 lol, one time I was at a coffee shop and I was talking to a guy who owned a Kia soul. He was putting oil stabilizer in it because it was burning oil and it only had 118k miles on it. Kia and Hyundai engines are just crap.
My son's car, serviced at the dealer exclusively. The engine died at 80K and it will be a month before an engine is available. Thankfully he paid for an extended warranty on it as a certified used car. My other son bought his Kia at 19,000 miles and serviced it regularly, however he had to pay 3500. for engine repairs at 70K because his warranty was only for 60K as a used vehicle. This issue has been around for a decade and Kia/Hyundai won't fix it.
Thank you for another truly entertaining video. Your humor never fails to brighten my day.
At least Kia was thoughtful enough to design their engines to still have compression after the blow up! Kudos Kia!
Well played channel lock usage sir, well played
I've recently had to return a used Hyundai IONIQ Hybrid due to some engine issues
3 times it's been in to the local Hyundai dealer for them to fix ( on the seller's tab )
They replaced a heat exchanger under the car, one that takes heat from exhaust & puts in coolant, previous owner appears to have done a "delete" of this as it was leaking
That means it's created problems and damaged the EGR & more, probably due to overpressure & heat as it dropped all the coolant in less than 100km & there was NOT a warning light for coolant level, thankfully i started checking often so i didn't run it hot, but someone has...
when i got it back it felt fine until the engine started misfiring which was the main symptom of something being wrong, that & a cloud of smoke from the rear, at the end it felt like the engine was just about to give in & i only made it home due to the electric motor
Used the "return right" we have in Norway and got my money back 🤣🤣
I dumped my Theta II at 95K, ran great and used very little oil, but didn't want to take a chance of being stuck in the side of the road later. I used only 10w30 full synthetic, forget the week sauce CAFE 5w20.
First thought I had when I saw cylinder three: "it's full of stars!
The Gamma is a very solid unit. This one looks like it's had one or two oil changes at most!
I have seen one these with over 700k miles, in GDI form too, without ever being opened.
This gives me hope for my 1.6L gamma. I added a catch can to mine. It was rebuilt last year my dad helped me with it. So far running like a champ
@kskate91 what happened with yours to require a rebuild? If you want them to last forever, use 5W30 every 5k miles/10k KM and go easy on them until they are fully warmed up (definitely do not surpass 3k RPM until hot). Once they are fully warmed up, they like to kiss the redline every so often to keep the rings free. They also like a good PEA containing fuel system cleaner every so often!
Edit: clean or replace the PCV valve every 100k miles or so. If this blocks, they burn oil. I would almost 100% guarantee that's what happened with this engine, as most owners don't check their oil til it runs completely dry and throws a rod through the block!
@@19jacobob93 I had a chipped up valve. And no compression on one cylinder. It happed on the freeway on my way home from work the car wasn’t accelerating no more. The good thing is it was only a valve. I was told it was due to a clogged catalytic converter. So I ended up replacing that as well. I added headers instead 😅 so being I live in SoCal my Hyundai didn’t pass a smog so I paid under the table to pass it. I love that little car it’s been so good since the repair. I daily it and drive it far with no problems. I feel comfortable taking a 3 hour drive with it that’s how much I trust that whip. The only thing is I added an aftermarket HO alternator and modified the charging system to run above 15 volts so it bogs the engine when I switch on the alt. Only because I have a huge sound system and using a big lithium battery bank to run the car and sound 🤙
@@19jacobob93 I added a mishimoto catch can on the pcv system. Just recently did some intake valve cleaning too that’ll also help prolong the life of these engines
Okay, a game show… From busted to running (for at least 5 minutes). The contestants pick their busted engine and have to get it to run for 5 minutes….
I came home to work. Took a break and looked to see what's on UA-cam to watch later. Say this was up, and - well - work can wait.
Such a great channel, love your work fellow Missiourian!
Shop I worked at had a stack of 10 blown up engines all in one day. All where properly maintained just failed.
Engines fail, they do not actually blow up. lol
@@Bonsai-Miata2020 when I mean blow Up I mean the explosions become external
Yes, I know 1st hand that 2.4 and 2.0 engines have issues, even with proper maintenance. Kia/Hyundai have known there were problems for a decade and have not corrected the issue.
10am Wednesday upload is awesome. Would have been nice to be off work and enjoy it before a nap, but I’ll take it after a long day and time to unwind
It's all in the maintenance...had a 2008 Elantra since new and put 130k miles on it without a single issue. Did oil and filters every 5k and routine maintenance like trans flushes and timing belts every 60k. Sold the car 3 years ago and its still going strong today with its new owner who I run into a couple times a year. IMO the people most vocal about how "bad" a car is are the same ones who can't tell you where the oil filter is on it...
You would've had the beta engine they are tanks
Blue never disappoints!
My old job had my in lots of different car dealers/repair shops
You can kinda get a feel for the brand by what the parts department had in stock at any given time
Mercedes had loads of gaskets
Subaru had exhaust parts
BMW had coolant system items
...kia and hyundai
Both dealerships on the same road had an entire rear wall of blown engine blocks, crates of transmissions, parts departments had subframe peices, whole wiring harnesses, primed body panels. Literal melted pistons were on the floor next to dust bunnies and grime bunnies.
'That's enough for me' I told myself.
Correct. My son's Hyundai 2.4 is toast at 80K and no engine is available for about a month. Quite a backlog, that says a lot.
Loved this video I understand these engines are not the best a lot of failures regardless of maintenance with these but boy are they simple!! I love to see the variety of different engines and how they are designed.
wow goood work out by Blue today, big pull on the timing cover then come back to take out the dip stick like a hero, Blue the pry bars fans
That's been seriously neglected, that's not Kia's fault.
I think what would be kinda hilarious, take an oil sample from 1 of the worst blown up engines and send it in to Blackstone for an analysis.
"We found some oil in the metal sample you sent us..."
@@nicholasvinen 🤣
I think you nailed it, definite defect or improper assembly doomed cylinder 3. The obviously poor maintenance probably sent this engine to an earlier grave than it would have had anyway. The engine continued to run for some time before a major chunk wedged itself in the cylinder 4 rod cap. The rod and piston deleted itself from the engine which is why the holes are so large. Anyway, this was a great teardown! Really enjoyed those head bolts!
So, I have found that one of those 3/8” wide air belt sanders are great for stripped bolts. If you can put the tip of your finger on the head of the bolt. The air belt sander can quickly remove the head of the bolt. Quality sanding belts like 60 grit 3m really help.
Never got any probleme with the 1.8L, 1.6L, 1.6L Turbo. I don't know why people bash on kia et hyundai engine... The 1.6L is by the most reliable engine from Hyundai et Kia. When it is well maintain like my build, never got problem
One thing for sure.... Theres a reason why sooo many are bashing them. Not acknowledging doesn't mean you in fact have an outstanding motor, it means something else...
@@highwayman1218 Regular maintenance and not beating an engine, is the key to not blowing an engine. But unfortunately, there are people who don't know that.
europe the smaller ones pretty good to , 1.2 , 1.4 reg maintenance and reg oil changes and a small bit knowledge like knowing the timing change tensioners may go or chain may stretch by about 100k so know what to listen out for you be good and chain and kit £180-£300 all together £550-600 job so its not a lot, clutch was only £500 and that inc service and yearly safety inspection. look after then and get one good service history it should be good and reliable like mines been
I've seen a Chevy Cavalier engine self-disassemble in the exact same way, along with having the same wear & varnish/patina.
While low oil levels (barely touching the pickup) certainly didnt help, the rod let go because a piece of gasket from somewhere got stuck in the crank oil passage, which caused that one bearing to cook, seize, spin, and then exit the block with extreme prejudice. As far as we could tell, the piece of gasket was probably present when the car was new but never migrated far enough to hit the oil filter, and took roughly 80k miles to finally clog up & stop oiling to that one bearing journal.
The moral of the story. Change your oil and filter. At least as offen as specified by the manufacturer. I have one of these ( 2015 Rio) 135,000km . Use oe filter and M1 5w20 . Change it every 8000km ( about 5k miles). Check my oil every other fill up. Never had to add any. I check it anyway , just to be sure. Great teardown. Thanks
Wow. Love the special-sparkle oil.
I own a 23 year old Komatsu excavator. One of the perks of getting Komatsu to service one of their machines is they take a representative sample of each of the fluids at the service, and do a microscopic analysis of them. They can determine normal running wear and tear, or premature wear of each component the fluids contact. The owner then gets a report detailing the state of their machine, and may help perform preventative maintenance or replacement of specific components before they fail and/or do further damage.
Cheers from Tassie.
UNCLE RODNEY HAS GONE CRAZY
That oil pan (and the metal bits inside of it) gave new meaning to the phrase "poo-poo platter".
I’ve had great luck with this engine. Had a 2015 Hyundai veloster that I bought new and put 150k on it before I sold it. Zero issues with the car itself or engine. Currently own a 2022 Kia Forte GT with the turbo version. Have 55k on it and zero issues. I really think it’s people just don’t maintain their cars well and of course things will fail early.
I have my late wifes 2019 Kia Soul 2.0L with 45K miles. I change the oil/filter every 5000 and am keeping my fingers crossed.
As a former Kia tech I can tell you one of the biggest problems with Kia was it's owners. They all seemed to look at Kia's as throw away cars and treated them the same way. Refuse to service them, do any repairs ETC. It looks like nothing has changed.
I could understand that. Many Kia owners are Millenials, very busy, very much on the hustle, and very often completely ignorant about machinery-- thinking that this new car is just about turning a key, right? Lots of cute girls drive them. Lots of busy modern people.
And Kia is very attuned to the demographic. They see them coming.
This, very much this. Pointing out only because I’m very much an exception. I previously had a ‘19 Kona Limited. Got T-boned at 33k miles. Just now approaching that same mileage on my ‘22 Kona N (2.0T) doing services every 3-5k. Its been a great car, performs very well but I still don’t plan on keeping it past 100k, though.
I am coming to the conclusion that, somewhere between emissions regulations, safety regs and anything related to "Net Zero", the manufacturer are really not expecting cars to last more than 10 years. They will become uneconomic to repair as the market for cars, declines as people are forced to abandon personal transport ownership. This may be more prevalent in the rest of the world than it is, currently, in the USA. But I'll guess that the USA will catch up quickly with new regulations.
Whether such a change is sensible or even achievable is of no concern to the pressure groups and politicians. Probably not to the manufacturers either. If the manufacturers could shift more new vehicle "boxes" and have less aftersales support to resource and stock, they would be happy.
The insurance industry has already worked out the increasing premiums and a tendency to write off damaged vehicles to justify the increases, seems to be viable. It makes everything so much more streamlined. And profitable for them.
I don't think that's the entire story though. Lots of people who buy Chevy, Ford, even Toyotas don't care for basic maintenance, but nothing fails at the rates of Kia engines.
The problem is that some of these engines burn oil so bad that by the time we pull in for an oil change, there's only a couple quarts of oil left. Then, the tech says "see, these people don't take care of their engines". But the reality is that the engine is burning nearly 2 quarts over 1,000 miles. I went to check my oil level last week, and I had to add 4 quarts until I got it filled. I had an oil change less than 2 months ago. That's ridiculous.
What should we expect?
You need to throw up a poll with every video listing dipstick battles, piston mcnuggets, water pump shapes, egr valves etc 🤣
I was on the forensics of a diesel generator (Cumin engine, forget what) might have been a Big Cam 855 that did that. At 2500 hours it kicked a rod through the side of the block. Cummins wanted to blame the client (it was oddly leased) . We checked, oil was good (we got the filter, they had to put a fire out in the pan with an extinguisher) just the single damaged journal. Very rare case of a long delayed failure but when it went, it was fast wiped out the engine. Zero damage to the rest. And you are 100% right, bad oil or oil starvation can blow at one spot, but you see damage everywhere, this was amazingly good for what looked like poor oil change intervals (varnish) - You have to think that may have pushed an iffy journal, cap or bearing over the edge.
I have three of these.
269,000 miles on my 2015 Accent right now. I maintain a very strict maintenance schedule for these engines and seem to do really well.
You're doing something right.
I rebuilt mine (in the car) two years ago new rods pistons bearings etc runs good ez to work on. change oil every 2000 miles and it'll last forever
Oils more expensive than gas 😆 just buy a union made ride 🇺🇸
Use 5W-30 full synthetic and you can do 7-8K mile oil change intervals no problem. Do not use 5W-20 or conventional period.
@@deyeatdapoopoo7582 Why not 5W-20? Does this apply to colder climates?
@@MrTLsnow a bit thinner than 5w30 when hot; I've never been a fan of 5w20
Yet more confirmation that my decision to ban all Kia/Hyundai products from my life. Chrysler also fits this category.
It's getting to be a short list, right?-- of cars that can be at least minimally trusted? God. What the hell-- I've been reading quite a bit about the catastrophe of poor quality.
It's everywhere. The Germans have totally collapsed with quality. Even Toyota, my most-loved manufacturer, is having issues with quality.
It all comes from two things, in my opinion: first, complexity. Excessive complexity. Second, people-pleasing. Trickery. Selling imagery more than machinery!
Even the Japanese mess up Honda tons of complaints about bad turbocharged engines, gotta do your research, avoid “first production” years until the issues are known and hopefully worked out.
Mazda's still doing very well.
Just two? Well if that's the case go get yourself a Chinese car..
Mazda is not without its problems. Our low km CX9 (well maintained) went into limp mode due to a bad pressure sensor in the transmission. Its common enough that there's a TSB about it.
Hi Eric, the grey in the oil is valve grinding compound, that helps to seat the valves. 😂
I like the channellock pliers to remove the oil filter bit.
Not shocked a Kia owner would do 20k oil changes
Some have never done an oil change and then wonder why the engine failed so early. A number of Hyundai/Kia engines have failed at low mileage even with proper maintenance. Yes, there is a production problem.
"Grandma, may I borrow your car?"
"Sure sweetie, I've been meaning to get it into Hyundai for my 4th free oil, oil change. Would you please take it in for me?"
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Grandma answers: "Grandma, your car just 'SHUT OFF' when I was entering the freeway!"....... "No I didn't hear anything above the sound system!"
The 1.6L in our 2013 Hyundai Accent purred, very smooth, we kept it well maintained. It burned no oil, recently sold the car for $5900.
I had a 2017 Tucson sport, never had an issue with the engine, did all the services in dealer, it did used oil but not that much between changes.
That carbon build up on the valves generates a vortex when the air is entering the cylinder providing better flame stability.
Kidding
Isn't direct injection marvelous? Get that extra 2 HP, seems like a winning design!
Nothing to do with HP. It's all about emissions.
Most DI engines have better low-end torque. Peak power doesn't necessarily increase much, but low-end torque can be felt by many drivers in daily driving. It also improves the power delivery smoothness in turbocharged engines, supposedly.
And to be fair, Japanese manufacturers like Honda and Mazda never have much trouble with them, not even with intake valve carbon.
It's only if you are modding the crap out of your turbocharged engines where they become an issue.
@@UnknownJinX - Whether torque, horsepower, or MPG benefit, is it worth fatally clogging your engine in under 100,000 miles? Look at how mucked those valves are.
@@broeheemed32 Like I said, some manufacturers manage them better than others. Honda, Mazda and GM have DI engines that don't really need valve cleaning. BMW and VW, on the other hand, build valve cleaning into a part of routine maintenance. It's an overgeneralization.
@@UnknownJinXyep, also mazda DI engines have heated valves that burn off extra carbon. They have been ahead on this design since 2012.
Crankcase ventilation...a component of the overall engine emissions control system.
i have been waiting!!!!!!
thank you
Kia Hyundai engines get a bad rap.., but the majority of failures have lots of varnish and sludge in them. Owners just don't like doing oil changes on time. I've seen it first hand as an advisor at Hyundai
It's a little bit of both Hyundai quality control issues and shitty Hyundai owners . I work on these too and the amount of both I've seen is crazy
The problem is the most of the Hyundai engines problems are from engines sold in the North America produced in the Alabama facility, specially with the Theta II and Gamma II family engine.
Kappa engine family are fine just like the new Smartstream family (which seems to have fix most of the issues).
Honda and Toyota owners aren't perfect either, but Hyundai's and kias are a lower price point product...
Not sure if it's a fair comparison, but my family's 90's Accord was consigned to farm duty 5 years ago and refuses to die. Dirt roads, no oil changes and ~250k since the last timing belt. Odometer died at 340k three years ago. Still runs ok.
@@0HOON0 there's lots of older early 2000s Hyundai's like that too . But modern ones kinda suck
1.6L engine = bad, add turbo = disaster
I have the 1.6t from the new smartstream lineup going strong 50k miles so far i do keep up with the maintenance and I have had zero issues.
Thank you Eric!👍
Lack of servicing as usual.