What have you tried? Guessing you tried creating a tuplet, then in the middle adding an 8th note and then adding the dot to the eight note? Simple Entry won't let you add more beats than the time signature allows by default, and occasionally it accidentally won't allow certain tuplets because it thinks there are too many notes in the measure (even though there aren't). Try disabling this and adding the dotted 8th. Using the Simple Entry tool, go to Simple > Simple Entry Options…, uncheck Check for Extra Notes, and press OK.
Thank you for the great video. It was very helpful. However, when I notate non-standard tuplets, I'd like to indicate how many "normal" notes that tuplet takes up. For example, if I have a quintuplet played in place of four 16th notes, then I'd like the notation to read "5:4" above the stems. However, using your method, I can't figure out how to do this. I am writing a piece that has two quintuplets played over two groups of three 16th notes and then another quintuplet that's played over four 16th notes. But without having them written as 5:35:35:4, there's no way to tell how they're supposed to be grouped. I have tried googling this and looking at the documentation but I can't find anything. Thank you!
You can actually edit any tuplet to have this notation (even after it's created). With the tuplet tool (accessed via the Main Tool Palette, Tools > Tuplet, or double clicking a tuplet), you should see a selection handle by the tuplet. Click the selection handle then press the "Enter" key. This should bring you the "Tuplet Definition" dialog. Lastly, find where it says "Apperance" then "Number", and select "X:Y" from the dropdown. Click "OK"
Any chance you could do a video on how to create tuplets using dotted eighth notes. Say for example how to do a dotted eighth note, a sixteenth note and an eighth note in the span of 2 eighth notes in 2/4 time? I've been at this for hours and I can't find anywhere anyone explaining dotted notes in tuplets. I sure would appreciate your help.
Good question. Here's what I would do. 1) In Simple entry, type in a dotted 8th note. 2) Use the non-standard tuplets to select 3 8ths in the time of 2 using the same method as in the video. 3) Still in simple entry, go to Simple Entry > Simple Entry Options… in the menu bar, then deselect "Check for Extra Notes". Click "OK" to save the change. 4) Type out the rest of the rhythm (the 16th and final 8th note). 5) Reselect "Check for Extra Notes" in the menu.
Hello, #Superuser. I've a qstn about the Tuplet Tool on Finale 2014 and 26. I'm currently using principles of numerical-rhythmic proportion, presented at different structural levels of complex durations for composing. As I have said, I want to apply these principles, making subdivision of values, at different levels of structuring and complexity of the same rhythmic figure(s). My qstn focuses on the digitized notation to some musical situations, around the use of Tuplet Definition Tool, selecting the option NUMBER (X: Y or X : Yq or Xq: Yq). I want to apply any type of desired proportion (5: 6; 13:10; 11:10, etc.), taking the value of x-duration (quarter notes, eighth notes, etc.) in the y-space (quarter notes, eighth notes, etc.) will give me any flexible rhythmic form. So far, finale allows me to make any type of configuration desired in the metric, applied to a layer. What is inconvenient for me and I would like to know is how to solve it when I want to apply a new ratio to a figure or group of rhythmic figures that have already been proportionated (example: 7:5 and taking some part and subdividing again in 6:4). I tried, in principle, to apply the ratio 7:5 to a layer 1 (divided in three halfdotted notes) and later apply the new subdivision of 6:4 (to one or two of the half dotted notes to a layer 2), but unfortunately the result is not as expected. Grettings, Andrés;
Hey Andres, so if I'm understanding correctly, you're wanting something similar to nested tuplets. Let's take the example of triplet 8ths nested in triplet quarters. So a nested tuplet would could have 3 triplet eighths replacing the first quarter in the larger triplet. It sounds like what you want is to put these triplet 8ths in layer 2 instead of layer 1 (where the triplet quarters are). Essentially splitting up the "nested" part between layers. Ideally, you'd be able to do this for any set of tuplets X : Y. If I'm wrong, let me know. But if that's correct, here's how I'd do it. In layer 2, create the tuplet as you normally would with the tuplet tool. In layer 2, create the same larger tuplet and add the inner tuplet as a nested tuplet. Then, to hide the larger tuplet, right-click the larger tuplet's numbers and deselect "Show". For nested tuplets, Conquering Finale has a video which explains them part-way through (ua-cam.com/video/iOLDihhplEM/v-deo.html). I also have a video in the works specifically about nested tuplets. It's coming out soon.
How would one make say, a quarter note tuplet, like 5 quarter notes in the space of 4 but have the last one (or any one) be two eights? I can't seem to make it work.
It's probably giving you an error from having "too many notes in a measure". The way to fix that is to temporarily disable "Check for Extra Notes" in Simple Entry > Simple Entry Options. After you input the tuplet, you can enable that setting again.
Not yet, but it's very close to the top of my to-do list! Nested tuplets are possible with Speedy Entry but not Simple Entry. Essentially, create your outer tuplet, then backtrack and create the inner tuplet. In the meantime, here's an explanation from the Finale docs (albeit a very short answer): usermanuals.finalemusic.com/FinaleMac/Content/Finale/Tuplets.htm
Any chance you could do a video on how to create tuplets using dotted eighth notes. Say for example how to do a dotted eighth note, a sixteenth note and an eighth note in the span of 2 eighth notes in 2/4 time? I've been at this for hours and I can't find anywhere anyone explaining dotted notes in tuplets. I sure would appreciate your help.
Great video, you are a natural, excellent pace and tone.
how do you add a dotted eighth within a triplet? I can't seem to find a way
What have you tried? Guessing you tried creating a tuplet, then in the middle adding an 8th note and then adding the dot to the eight note? Simple Entry won't let you add more beats than the time signature allows by default, and occasionally it accidentally won't allow certain tuplets because it thinks there are too many notes in the measure (even though there aren't). Try disabling this and adding the dotted 8th. Using the Simple Entry tool, go to Simple > Simple Entry Options…, uncheck Check for Extra Notes, and press OK.
@@nickmazuk thanks! That worked!
Thank you for the great video. It was very helpful. However, when I notate non-standard tuplets, I'd like to indicate how many "normal" notes that tuplet takes up. For example, if I have a quintuplet played in place of four 16th notes, then I'd like the notation to read "5:4" above the stems. However, using your method, I can't figure out how to do this. I am writing a piece that has two quintuplets played over two groups of three 16th notes and then another quintuplet that's played over four 16th notes. But without having them written as 5:3 5:3 5:4, there's no way to tell how they're supposed to be grouped. I have tried googling this and looking at the documentation but I can't find anything. Thank you!
You can actually edit any tuplet to have this notation (even after it's created). With the tuplet tool (accessed via the Main Tool Palette, Tools > Tuplet, or double clicking a tuplet), you should see a selection handle by the tuplet. Click the selection handle then press the "Enter" key. This should bring you the "Tuplet Definition" dialog. Lastly, find where it says "Apperance" then "Number", and select "X:Y" from the dropdown. Click "OK"
@@nickmazuk Awesome! Thank you so much!
Any chance you could do a video on how to create tuplets using dotted
eighth notes. Say for example how to do a dotted eighth note, a
sixteenth note and an eighth note in the span of 2 eighth notes in 2/4
time? I've been at this for hours and I can't find anywhere anyone
explaining dotted notes in tuplets. I sure would appreciate your help.
Good question. Here's what I would do. 1) In Simple entry, type in a dotted 8th note. 2) Use the non-standard tuplets to select 3 8ths in the time of 2 using the same method as in the video. 3) Still in simple entry, go to Simple Entry > Simple Entry Options… in the menu bar, then deselect "Check for Extra Notes". Click "OK" to save the change. 4) Type out the rest of the rhythm (the 16th and final 8th note). 5) Reselect "Check for Extra Notes" in the menu.
Hello, #Superuser. I've a qstn about the Tuplet Tool on Finale 2014 and 26. I'm currently using principles of numerical-rhythmic proportion, presented at different structural levels of complex durations for composing. As I have said, I want to apply these principles, making subdivision of values, at different levels of structuring and complexity of the same rhythmic figure(s). My qstn focuses on the digitized notation to some musical situations, around the use of Tuplet Definition Tool, selecting the option NUMBER (X: Y or X : Yq or Xq: Yq). I want to apply any type of desired proportion (5: 6; 13:10; 11:10, etc.), taking the value of x-duration (quarter notes, eighth notes, etc.) in the y-space (quarter notes, eighth notes, etc.) will give me any flexible rhythmic form. So far, finale allows me to make any type of configuration desired in the metric, applied to a layer. What is inconvenient for me and I would like to know is how to solve it when I want to apply a new ratio to a figure or group of rhythmic figures that have already been proportionated (example: 7:5 and taking some part and subdividing again in 6:4). I tried, in principle, to apply the ratio 7:5 to a layer 1 (divided in three halfdotted notes) and later apply the new subdivision of 6:4 (to one or two of the half dotted notes to a layer 2), but unfortunately the result is not as expected. Grettings, Andrés;
Hey Andres, so if I'm understanding correctly, you're wanting something similar to nested tuplets. Let's take the example of triplet 8ths nested in triplet quarters. So a nested tuplet would could have 3 triplet eighths replacing the first quarter in the larger triplet.
It sounds like what you want is to put these triplet 8ths in layer 2 instead of layer 1 (where the triplet quarters are). Essentially splitting up the "nested" part between layers. Ideally, you'd be able to do this for any set of tuplets X : Y.
If I'm wrong, let me know.
But if that's correct, here's how I'd do it. In layer 2, create the tuplet as you normally would with the tuplet tool.
In layer 2, create the same larger tuplet and add the inner tuplet as a nested tuplet. Then, to hide the larger tuplet, right-click the larger tuplet's numbers and deselect "Show".
For nested tuplets, Conquering Finale has a video which explains them part-way through (ua-cam.com/video/iOLDihhplEM/v-deo.html). I also have a video in the works specifically about nested tuplets. It's coming out soon.
How would one make say, a quarter note tuplet, like 5 quarter notes in the space of 4 but have the last one (or any one) be two eights? I can't seem to make it work.
It's probably giving you an error from having "too many notes in a measure". The way to fix that is to temporarily disable "Check for Extra Notes" in Simple Entry > Simple Entry Options. After you input the tuplet, you can enable that setting again.
Do you have a video on doing tuplets within tuplets?
Not yet, but it's very close to the top of my to-do list! Nested tuplets are possible with Speedy Entry but not Simple Entry. Essentially, create your outer tuplet, then backtrack and create the inner tuplet.
In the meantime, here's an explanation from the Finale docs (albeit a very short answer): usermanuals.finalemusic.com/FinaleMac/Content/Finale/Tuplets.htm
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You're welcome!
Any chance you could do a video on how to create tuplets using dotted
eighth notes. Say for example how to do a dotted eighth note, a
sixteenth note and an eighth note in the span of 2 eighth notes in 2/4
time? I've been at this for hours and I can't find anywhere anyone
explaining dotted notes in tuplets. I sure would appreciate your help.