Why Shame is the Source of Nihilism
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that was a good un.🤤
You know is often believed that the human brain is too complex to be divided in two instincs, and there is a desire for belief in al human beings, so much so that it staves of nihilism.
because it gives a meaning that humans can understand to life.
Our need to believe is a function of our survival instinct winning out. We have to create our own purpose, our own direction, because nature didn't give us one. Also, every complex system is made up of simpler elements. For example, all ~120 elements on the periodic table are composed of the same 3 elementary particles. And the entire universe is nothing but mass and energy, which are both technically the same thing.
@@jasonwolfe4205 That idea is a bad one.
we have to create our own pourpose, feels nihilistic, given that it came from a weirdo that just wanted to rebel agaist god.
I don't like it one bit, becasue the human being has a tendency to be self serving.
What i don't quite get convinced in is to think that our need to believe is part of our survival instinct when the understanding that theres nothing beyond the physical destroys the will to survive, by that perspective feels more like a failure, or an attack, on the context of existing the only thing that can really explain it is the existence of God, and with that the supernatural, if there is no such thing why to do certain things, feels wrong, while other things feel so right they come off natural, like it was written in DNA
@@pensador6953 Because they were written in our DNA. And yes, humans are self-serving. But our ancestors realized that it was in their best interests to cooperate, and so we formed communities which eventually grew into civilization. The paradox of being compelled to exist for no reason, however, also doesn't need to be a problem. Personally, I view it as an even greater credit to all the good works people do. All the beautiful things we create. The fact that we have done these things despite them having no direct survivalist benefit is what makes them valuable. That's why we look up to things like art and philosophy. So where the religious mind hears me say there is no great cosmic meaning and imagines a bright fire drowning in a dark ocean, I imagine a delicate candle floating on its surface. Sure, it has no reason to be there. Yes, there's nothing to see by its light but endless water. But the fact that it is there and burning regardless makes it the most important thing in the universe. At least as long as there's someone there to observe it.
@@jasonwolfe4205 Does raise the questions: who is there to observe it? And who placed it there?
@@pensador6953 Those are very good questions. Ones I won't pretend to have answers to. Maybe it was god, maybe it was the ocean itself somehow. Or maybe it was another force or entity so utterly alien that no human language has words for it. I don't know, and I won't tell you what you should or shouldn't believe. That's not my place. But I will say that, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who claims to know the "absolute truth" is either a fool or a liar or both.
Well, we don't know what lies beyond the thresh hold. I can see why Nihilism would be an evolutionary bug in the system whether or not you believe in reincarnation. As for corpos, it says more about nihilism how they respond to existential challenge than the fact they don't experience untol very late.
I'd call it more a quirk than a bug. Under natural circumstances (IE, our ancestral tribal conditions) it's not an issue. It only shows up when we're presented with the grandest scales of things and we realize everything we thought matters doesn't, or at least not in the way we thought it did.
@@jasonwolfe4205 Then just imagine how bizarre of a reality check Elon Musk had when ge changed to what he us now.
@@driddick7361 But see, that's my point. I don't think he or the other billionaires have the neurological equipment to comprehend not being the center point of reality. It's like how in Skyrim the Dragonrend shout knocks the immortal dragons out of the sky by forcing them to comprehend mortality. It's a concept that simply doesn't mesh with their psychology and so it grounds them, both literally and metaphysically.
@@jasonwolfe4205 Oh come now. Something has surely altered Elon to make HIM specifically be more down to Earth than he was prior. I don't know about that Lizard man, Zuckerberg. But Musk has most definitely seen some shit. Also he started out broke in South Africa of all places. I appreciate you keeping up with this comical banter.
@@driddick7361 He's certainly better than most, but the last few years have trained me to be skeptical of everyone who seems overly comfortable being on camera. And I like conversing with interesting people, of which there's depressingly few. So thank you for filling that much-needed niche.
I think Nihilism is caused by shame tied to unreasonable expectations a person can't let go of.
The Pyrrhonists and Buddhists definitely were on the right track for getting rid of expectations.
Pyrrhonists listen to as many sides of a topic as possible and don't decide one way or another, to give their minds peace.
Outside of this they lived by custom for everyday life .
I tried this I didn't feel more peaceful. I think this sort of exercise requires decades of practice to see any real benefit.
Speaking from my own personal experience, what you're describing, "Zen", is more a habit than a lesson. For myself, I simply made a point of asking "am I enjoying this" versus "what's the point". And while this does sound hedonistic, and can easily become so, the trick is to not conflate an immediate hormonal rush for true contentedness. Basically, I look at it as the difference between wanting to get laid versus wanting to start a family. One feels good in the moment but passes with the next. The other provides long-term contentedness. A sense of 'I can die now and not feel as though I've missed out on anything'.
so Pyrrhonists never made decisions? kinda pointless.
@@pensador6953 They lived by custom for practical matters. They didn't decide what philosophy was right to give themselves peace of mind.
Also they didn't decide if misfortune they couldn't control was bad or not so they wouldn't suffer as much.
I hope you can understand what I mean.
@@lazybill5830 lacking in decision, a best idea is to say if i cannot control, or help, or prevent, or change, then i don't worry about it.
basically can something be done? if yes do it, if not don't worry about it.
@@pensador6953 Only if you define a purpose by the destination and not the journey. If your purpose is to get somewhere, then you need directions, and hence have to make decisions. But with that also comes expectations and conflict. So it's really more a question of which flavor of problem do you prefer?