White Fragility, Plus Adolph Reed on Identity Politics | Useful Idiots
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Matt Taibbi and Katie Halper discuss Matt's review of "White Fragility," Professor Adolph Reed joins to discuss identity politics
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Matt Taibbi is the only reason Rolling Stone Magazine is still even remotely relevant. Not to disparage Katie, she's fantastic. But his being "cancelled" (again) for saying something that is clearly true (again) deserves a reminder of how good a writer this man is. He's the best thing that has happened to Rolling Stone since Hunter S. Thompson. He's the fuckin Dave Chappelle of journalism. Give him his due respect for fuck sake!
ReactionShot Yes! Couldn’t agree more! Well said!
Katie n Matt are not the new crooked wave. Truth matters.
Agreed
Honestly I can't believe Rolling Stone is even allowing a conversation like this to happen. I'm almost impressed.
I think people are starting to get just how insane these radical racial prophets are.
Yup, same here.
Ken Attenborough Every week!
Indeed. I wish their commentary went beyond the usual "it's the economy" explanation that the centre left is stuck in. This is a religious revival and a war over cultural battles. Not everything is about corporations guarding their bottom line (although a lot is).
Hot take: all the race baiters will expose that the problems have to be solved from within, and that racism isnt the biggest problem for blacks in America.
Matt Taibbi is the best journalist in the USA, 2020.
no cap
I second this!
Nay.....
The WOOOOOOOOOORLD.
ROCK ON MATT 💯💣💥💯💣💥
Yes cap! And 10 bonus points for his poker face during the Cleveland Unicorns discussion.
Wokeness is what activism looks like after it's been gentrified, repackaged, and sold back to us (it's artisanal activism, naturally).
Oh my god hahaha that is brilliant.
Support your local Protesters still, ignore electoral politics. The real reason people are in the streets is not because of the racial separatists and overpaid media idiots who get attention for stupid arguments, it is still about ending police brutality and racism for most people on the streets. It's still in the interests of all poor people to oppose police brutality and violence. They get away with murder because they kill poor people seen as disposable to protect rich people's property. Racial Profiling is a way they express classism.
This isn't representative of the protests, as her book had been out for years, it's representative of the woke Capitalist ideology that's the only lens the media uses to see movements. If the protests shifted to long term strategy and were trained, organized, built networks with shared social and tech infrastructure, recruited people, and tactically coordinated more tightly in different cities and with labor, the real grassroots movement about the issues would have teeth to stop this co-opting. If people were able to stress social distancing and participation beyond protests, organize a multi pronged strategy to allow the grassroots public to take up leadership in a movement to make demands that address police injustice and the lived conditions of poor people (which are the same oppressing conditions that bring "PoC" together, compounded by some other factors like mass incarceration, food deserts, immigration, etc) it could be monumental.
Faithless Weirdo you sound exactly like a middle class artisanal activist who has never talked to a poor black person before.
@@soulfuzz368 Depends if he is or not doesn't it? And since he has such a low opinion of wokeness, I doubt it and what he sounds like to you is irrelevant.
“We tortured some folks.” ~Obama
It doesn’t get more American than that.
@Turquoise Cheetah There's plenty of reasons to not like Obama, but how was he a race baiter?
@Sweet Potatoe Pie clean up your part of town
@Turquoise Cheetah there was no racism before obama ooga booga
@@janiterinadrum1627 lol, you know Jordan Peterson has brain damage from Benzo addiction right? He forgot to clean up his room, looks like you did to
Sweet Potatoe Pie The colonizers were the British. But that was centuries ago, not sure what good harping on it now will do. None of us were involved in it and it can’t be undone, and the majority of the US population immigrated here long after the colonizing was done.
And the Oscar goes to Matt for pretending he didn't get the word "fleshlight" the first time. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
To post this comment you should've changed your user name to Unruly Sybian...
@@alexandrorocca7142 - 🕶
Yea, I was waiting for the, "Yea, I think of friend of mine might have one"
"flashlight?" *puts the oddly bulky flashlight on desk away*
Anyone laughing so hard at those penis incidents knows exactly what Fleshlight is.
I was unfamiliar with Adolph Reed, but after those first words, "Suck it Duke" I know he's a man to be trusted, a true gentleman and a scholar.
One of the giants in modern political writing. You won't regret reading anything he's penned.
@@shifragri Thanks for the tip! I'll check those out.
When Reed was on "The Hill" he suggested that the Establishment might kill Bernie Sanders if he ran away with the Dem nomination. This caused discomfort. Krystal and Saagar stammered. But Dr Reed was only saying what everyone was thinking. Thus, when Adolph Reed speaks, I listen. He is smart, we know that ... but he is also honest, BONUS!
@@jasonfaulkner8644 favorite comment
@@jasonfaulkner8644 : Honest Progressives run afoul of regressive establishment, just for having principles. I disagree with AOC, politically, but her revolt against freshman orientation being "Meet your lobbyists!" week. I liked that from her. I also liked her gut reaction to cutting Amazon a deal that NYC didn't offer every OTHER business already there and already paying taxes. Her instinct against crony capitalism was good.
Like I said, I don't much care for her politics, but I recognize a couple good instincts, that I HOPE she builds on. She could accidentally red-pill herself at any moment, in a fit of self-honesty and knowledge. She's just young and not very knowledgeable.
I love how chill Adolph Reed is.
Collected
He's a genuine person. A regular fellow.
He'd be a super dope professor
100%. Also, so much credit to him for seeing what Obama was all the way back in 1995! I was amazed that Glen Ford and Bruce Dixon sniffed Obama out in the early 2000s. Reed is freakin' Nostradamus.
This man is amazing. Down to earth because he's brilliantly earnest in his scholarly pursuits.
As an avid listener of Scandanavian Folk Metal, I find your dismissiveness of Folks to be hurtful and triggering.
I am taking my white fragility and retreating to my safe space (A pillow fort in the shape of a viking longship) until such time as I figure out whose statue I have to tear down in order to command respect.
Awwww, lemme guess.... someone stole your sweet roll? 🐉
heavy metal is so fragile
Wokeness is always performative. That’s why it flourishes online- there’s nothing to lose there
@goytom teklu Wokeness is ruining and suffocating most decent left and right leaning people, and the good things they represent and believe in.
@@pashadyne Wokeness doesn't require you to BE better- you can just SAY the right things online to SOUND better. That's what wokeness is
Donations from the "Folk Jar" should go to Shark Lives Matter
There should be a movement like that.
Apex predator in the oceans dying out fast. Not good usually.
Lmfaoo
@@nilesbutler8638 Explain?
@@robertsteele474 sharks.
endangered.
shark lives matter - good idea.
because ecosystems need apex predators.
@caprinefane lol sure it is
“We tortured some folks”.😳 Classic Obama. 😂😂😂😂
Jimmy Dore has done ✅ so many sketches mocking the way Obama says folks too much
all the time! Constantly, guys.
Kenny Ross
Yeah, like anyone should ever listen to Jimmy “Strawman” Dore talking about gaslighting? Like going to the fox and getting his take on henhouse security.
Jimmy Dore got his feelings hurt when is he going to quit whining
@Kenny Ross Jimmy uses that term a lot, but I don't think he "popularized it." That term has been around for a long time and has been used a lot.
I love this professor. I've been saying it for years, that race is not real, but racism is real.
Robin D'angelo is a race-hustler.
You believe race is a social construct, and observe that racism is an imposed social construct. DiAngelo has several chapters saying this exact same thing -- she's 100% in agreement with you. So where does she fall short in your mind? I honestly read this book as suggestive, rather than explanatory. A starting point for conversation. I think there's a huge difference between what she actually says in the book, and how douchey people who read it are implementing her observations.
If race is not real then racism can't be real. What you've been saying for years is definitionally impossible. You cannot judge someone by a characteristic that does not exist. That makes zero sense.
@@guapocat203 maybe the part was she says all whites are racist, and we must constantly be sorry for that, which I read as some twisted expulsion of her subconscious childhood catholic crap.
Also, that she's pushing her grift at big companies for massive speaking and consulting fees, even though her poison is pushing racial division in an already troubled american culture.
I don't get your read on her. It sounds really naive.
@@patrickbarnes9874 Sure it does. We live with cultural falsehoods. I don't think there's a culture that doesn't have falsehoods.
If you're an atheist, then you may think God doesn't exist, but that doesn't eliminate "Godism", a.k.a. Religion.
Unlike God, though, which relies on unfalsifiable claims, and cannot be measured, Race can be falsified. It can be shown to be Not Real.
And yet, racism persists. Like a bad penny, it just keeps turning up.
@@montycantsin8861 and just who are the proponents of this false-reality?
JFK murder, 9/11, PNAC, DJT, Epstein, Melania-too many others to list
Hey there's nothing wrong with folks. I'm from Tennessee and we use folks all the time.
True, there is nothing wrong with "folks". They are commenting on the way politicians use it to sound more like "regular, everyday people" and "relatable".
A 1%er white lady saying Martin Luther King Jr. was wrong about his views on race...
yep, that's her, robin d angelo
@AII American Chutzpah are you anti semite or something? 🙂 Just kidding. I dont like this show. Good day to you
Most social justice nuts today totally contradict Dr. King. He would hate them.
Wow I could make millions for using my joystick?
Why l love Katie: “if you care about racism, how about imperialism?” ... definitely Katie and Matt for me.
I love Katie because of her mind!
Helen Kim if we don’t end the oppression coming from the system , how will anything ever change?
I could do without kate
@@user-nj1zu2nf1x don't watch then. lol
She's the kind of woman you want around in a room full of loud idiots, if a point needs to be made. But on my system, I've got the dial down to 10% instead of its usual 100%, because she's coming through so 'hot' on the mic. Super-hot mic. I love the points she makes, but her bellow would reach the crow's nest from the forecastle in a gale.
I love Matt and Katie's sense of humour. Thanks for having Adolph Reed on Useful Idiots.
I started reading Adolph Reed’s “Class Notes”, in which he tracks these shifts in intellectual currents surrounding race over recent decades and how they have the tendency to benefit people to the extent that they benefit from neoliberalism, while mostly harming working class people, many of whom are black. I’m glad he’s getting a wider audience. Credit to Michael Brooks for recommending the book
J T I think it’s still far from a mainstream view, as people see that something must be done to address racism and the changes that are being made are inadequate, but class is still treated as a distraction. People still focus on superficial values affiliation a lot more than on policies that they need.
I also think Reed knows more about it than most, having participated in both the civil rights movement as a youth and the labor movement as an adult, as well as higher education, and being a renowned professor at some of the most prestigious universities where all these identity politics movement got their start. The book came out 20 years ago, and the subtitle is “posing as politics”, which is still a major problem. It’s not an easy read, but the book really breaks down the problems with separating class politics from identity politics and focusing on differences as a prerequisite for change instead of building coalitions based on common interest
Abe - Check out "The Burden of Bad Ideas." It's a better empirical analysis of social policies... even though it is more a collection of essays than a cohesive book.
Bruce Wing I’m familiar with Mac Donald. While neither “Class Notes” nor anything I’ve read by MacDonald is notable for its empiricism, I definitely would not rate her work as better (as in, more useful to building a better society) than Reed’s. She’s just cherry-picking data, much of it trivial, to defend the status quo. Her defense of modern policing is particularly egregious, equating the fact that urban black communities are concerned about crime as evidence that we need more police with ever greater leeway. Reed is also a much better writer than Mac Donald (in my opinion)
@@StrategicWealthLLC Adolph Reed believes in working class solidarity and internationalism. Why the fuck would he or anyone advocate for stricter border controls and gutting redistributive social programs?
Michael Brooks (rip, big fan) used Adolph Reed like how right wingers use Thomas Sowell to not engage in serious critiques. IMO, Reed is washed up and actually detrimental to the moment. He always puts the onus on the weaker group to eat/take racism for a chance at a coalition that would better but incremental. Problem with better (class based) approach is the lineage (much more accurate term than race) wealth disparity is so large it doesn’t nearly do what leftist are touting. Native blacks/ADOS will still be a distant 2nd class. White HS dropouts have more wealth than black college grads. This fact shows class is horse shit when speaking on race in this former slavocracy. Reed attacks or dismisses black people with this position as if they’re NeoLiberals instead of black citizens (largely black leftist) pointing out his analysis isn’t good enough for stable material conditions. So it’s eat racism, eat specific gov created disparity for a slightly better life. Many of us are coming to the conclusion that letting right wingers destroy this country would be more dignifying. Gonna be 2nd class anyway, might as well have dignity.
I've never heard of Dr. Reed, but he has earned himself a fan. Also, he reminds me of Paul Mooney. He has such a wit to accompany his insights. Thanks for the introduction.
He reminds you of an ignorant, self-important racist? Not much of a compliment.
@@vevvenennevvev5945 Michael's probably referring more to Reed's wit and visage, not the content of his beliefs, which are anything but racist, ignorant, or self-important.
@@FungusMossGnosis Thanks, Zed.
www.americamagazine.org/faith/2011/11/13/grandiose-narcissist-and-sexual-abuse-crisis
Thank you for introducing me to Professor Adolph Reed. He's a great political thinker.
Corporate Fragility
is more like it
Hope Matt ends the show with Thats All Folks
Folks Wagen USA!!
He didn't.
Shaaaaame
Th-Th-The, Th-Th-The, Th-Th... That's all, folks!
I could listen to Reed all day and night.
monkeymuggs Richard Wolff and Chris Hedges also
@@mattpfarr5992 Agreed. FTW Wolff and Hedges
I turned the speed down to 1.25.
Reed, Wolff, Hedges & Cornel West...
Nichola Sarvangga Valero Mitakda - And Karen Hunter and Dr. Greg Carr.
"Identity politics ARE class politics." - Dr. Reed. What a refreshing conversation. Thank you to all.
Instablaster.
Professor Reed has be featured on Joe Rogan. He's so brilliant and illuminating.
I actually resigned from the DSA when I found out that Dr. Reed was prevented from giving his talk. Now I'm a supporter of the Socialist Equality Party and the World Socialist Website. True story y'all.
It's insane that he got "cancelled" from speaking
I resigned from the DSA for the same reason as well. Though it's disappointing that Dr Reed holds UNCheats in high regard. Sad thing about a UNCheat/Dook game is somebody has to win.
I'd like to hear Dr. Reed's perspective on DSA in general. Chapters and caucuses within them are fairly independent of one another, so this could just be a problem with his local chapter or something. I'm still a member. Did you guys discuss this with anybody you knew or did you just quit? I do think that this kind of thinking is prevalent on the left or really in any insular group. I'm not sure how it's supposed to move us towards a better society. In this case, it lead to excluding a respected professor and that doesn't look good.
@Nick Smith The Champaign, Illinois chapter of DSA?
@Nick Smith Rightfully? Do you mean correctly?
I think Taibi hit the nail on the head when he described the book as Hitlerian race theory. It's basically designed to structure sociological battle parameters.
Prometheus I can think of worse books but none so embraced and normalized as this.
Her ideas give tremendous power to employers to hound their workers. The staff/faculty at Evergreen College were caught in the trap of having to report on their racism annually in their self-evaluations. We had a weird program at a library I used to work at where monthly meetings were held to basically torture people in the name of creating 'unity'. I never had to attend, but reports suggested an EST type of atmosphere that forced employees to 'confess' their shortcomings. So this isn't really about 'whiteness' but some Orwellian plan to have workers sabotage themselves.
The ultimate goal is to keep workers from doing something about their awful salaries, quality of work, management harassment and so on. Shaming workers, scaring them, dividing them is not going away until workers call out the bull**it. I hope soon.
dopa miney there has never been a better time in history to do something about an awful salary. Information about new skill and knowledge is only a few clicks away.
@@soulfuzz368 The knowledge is there but the acredation and certification is kept behind an iron pay wall. Anyone can be skilled and knowledgeable but the ruling class will never believe it unless a fellow member of their class anoints you. Man fuck this shit
What? You read all of these between the lines of her book? Seriously?
@@monicaangelini3324 no need to read between lines, it is explicitly stated: d'angelo thinks training (corporate) white people to pursue a lifelong journey in discovering their own hidden and inherited racism is the only righteous way forward for civic change. Notice this does not challenge corporate power but reinforces its. So we can have more diverse corporate workplaces while never challenging the social model that fetishizes greed and wealth disparity. Nice going, lets just wash corporations in the language of "Antiracism" and offer no structural critique as to how corporations recreate racial economic disparities as a matter of course.
As Adolph points out, too many in the West cannot 'think historically'.
41:06
Matt rolls out a game: Who said it? Richard Spencer or Robin DiAngelo
Aren't they just switching one form of fucked up race theory for another.
Yes. And it's entirely to infer Dr. Robin as a white supremacist. Good job. 😶
@@PattiInNYC huh? you on them crazy pills?
Louder with Crowder, has been doing it for like the past 3 years. His versions are who said it, Bernie, Hitler or Stalin. It is really hard to tell sometimes.
@@stevenjm12 No.
DeAngelo is a cult leader/snake oil saleswoman. She is super crafty in the way she forces you to submit to her hypothesis. And whether you submit or deny, you have the same results.
Anyone who takes 300 pages to tell me how i should approach race relations can go pound sand.
@@williamtaylor5193 its actually only 192 pages and then exclude notes and references its about 100 pages...you can consume and digest her bullshit in an afternoon sitting...the font is also fairly large and frequently just has lists of things to do or not do.
Taibbi was right in saying "it is the worst book ever written"
@@warbler1984 I tried to read it, but as an engineer and being used to structured, logical arguments I could not get through it. A lot of her work is based on implicit bias testing which has been proven to be unreliable; person taking the test multiple times gets different results each time. New research has also shown that the IAT may not be measuring racial bias at all. Racial discrimination is a terrible thing, but it seems to me that too many people blame it for all the ills in the world.
@@uheng1997 the worst thing about the book is that people are likely to read it because they don't want to be racist so don't read it critically. And because the argument is so poorly structured its like trying to fight a cloud so they buy into it
I think she actually believes her own horseshit. And it's really hard to self-reflect when the dollars start rolling in.
Thank you! The "folks" thing has always irritated me like crazy.
I agree. “Dudes” works better
I thought Americans loved being called folks!
@@johnh7018 lol. I feel like I've used folks in the past but I most certainly use "YOU GUYS" and "DUDE" even more.
I get annoyed that people are annoyed by folks.. Its gender neutral and such a pleasant word.. Can't win.
I sympathize with your point, I like it too. But I'm old and it reminds me of the good old folk days, even pre-Arlo Guthrie. It's just so annoying though when people who obviously are not 'folks' use it (over-use it!)to try to project a false impression of who they are and what they believe.
I love Katie's very patient face when the UNC chat was going on.
Adorably patient.
Haha yes
She was the best at the end talking about Cam Newton
As a Filipino and Native American, I have a lot of my liberal white friends who love the white fragility book. But, they still won't give me reparations.
Of course not, why ever would it apply to them? The people that preach about equal schooling for all but send their kids to private school? Or the ones that vote for more regulations and taxes but live off the grid to avoid some of it (I know some examples)? Why, they are 1/256,000th native american...
That guy explains it perfectly-"the long arm of the Ford foundation " exactly
She canceled "I have a dream speech" new levels....
and shes white.
She is a Fascist....
"I have a Nightmare..." - DiAngelo
Matt's laughter is so pure. (I think.)
Amusing qualification~^^
To quote his favorite book, Anna Karenina, he has that "contagious laughter which is the peculiarity of people who rarely laugh."
@@eemoogee160 In the age of fake news, you never know. ;o) :DDD
::Inset conspiracy theory::
this is a wonderful and important interview. Thanks, Matt and Katie! Thank you Professor Adolph Reed.
Matt looked so mischievous when he came up with the Cleveland Unicorns
I think you guys should have the author from White Fragility on, as a black person who's read the book, and who spends a lot of time in boardrooms where my white counterparts don't get some of the comfortable queue's they use that are racist. I can tell you that 80% of the book is right. When reading something like this, which is pointing out a ton of flaws in your character, you need to turn your brain off and use active reading. It's the same as active listening, except you're keeping all of your preconceived notions out of your reading pleasure.
Also, one thing I'm learning from my forty-odd years on this earth is that white people would rather hear from a black person how they should feel and be of help; rather than hearing from another white person who's actually telling you what's right. Here's a good example for me, I'm retired military and I have always had health care, recently a friend got injured and couldn't go to the hospital and I was perplexed because I was like, "why don't you go? They said they would n't be able to afford their insurance co-pay and I was like well you can be billed than." Clearly, I was wrong due to my not having a copay for insurance so it seemed unfathomable to me. But they were right, the hospital wouldn't even see them unless they could make the copay or if their insurance would cover the whole visit if it was in-network or not.
We all have a bias, we just don't like it being pointed out by someone else, hence the outrage we immediately illicit, when we think we're being singled out. But great discussion none the less, it was very enjoyable, although it got kind of close minded around the White Fragility topic.
I felt the same way. In my opinion, Matt unfairly characterized the purpose of the book, and Katie didn't read it. As a 41-year-old black man, I've encountered white fragility my entire life, and when I heard Robin speak it really resonated with me. I think a lot of white people are triggered by this book because it challenges them to look at things in a different way that makes them feel uncomfortable. Including Matt.
Reed is so levelheaded and smart. Why isn't he running for office?
He knows he tends to speak in long sentences to convey big ideas - not the best approach for a politician. He helped create a political party though, the U.S. Labor Party, and remains active in organizing, rallying support for M4A
I think you answered your own question, Don.
Mr. Goodkat Possibly apocryphal:
Adlai Stevenson was told: “Every thinking person in America will be voting for you.” Stevenson replied, “I’m afraid that won’t do-I need a majority.”
Because he's level headed and smart.
He is. The answer to the question is encapsulated in the question.
Thanks for exposing that 'white fragility' character. She's obviously a con artist. I also appreciate Jonathan Church's articles on her so-called 'research'.
i totally agree, i picked up the book a little while ago just surfing around amazon - i misread the thing for a sort of history on race in america. after a few pages it was clear that a lot was being said with very little to back it up - and it was always just off, kind of weird, felt creepy.... anyways, thats as far as i could get - good job on soldiering through the thing matt!
oh yeah, i should mention - she has a youtube vid that i looked up after i looked at her book as mentioned above. if you like cringe worthy stuff or just need some self punishment for some reason look it up, super weird.
Helen Pluckrose is a liberal from the UK who has done a great job of breaking it down, how it all got started in academic circles ect. Hit about 15 minutes of this: ua-cam.com/video/xoi9omtAiNQ/v-deo.html
Eww, that guy writes for Quillette
Also, his most recent post was a debate held with Ben Burgis about how America needs more capitalism, not less... Not surprising given he's an economist. But America has had three phases of race relations more or less: slavery/extirpation of the natives, legal subjugation/segregation and the third phase is corporate diversity training. Expect that last phase to ramp up in lieu of any actual structural changes which would obviate the need for suing companies for race discrimination.
@@gamerknown I'm simply referring to his great analysis of her book. One doesn't have to agree with everything he writes.
Reed Jr. is incredibly clear and informative. Pulls no pushes, and speaks the truth. Truly one of the MVP for our time
Matt and Katie are two of my favorite people. Don't always (hardly ever tbh) agree with their conclusions, but, they are fair-minded and tell the truth as they see it. That's good enough for me.
The witchtest is more sophisticated Matt: If she floats, she's a witch, if she sinks she is not, just happens to be dead then.
'Blessed are those who die in the name of SJW Righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of intersectionality.'
@@fortusvictus8297 : Yes. And they imbue their martyrs with messianic powers. Harm to one justifying harm to many. Harm to many ignored.
It's literally the same system used today, we call it "Justice"
When has an Authority ever implicated or prosecuted itself?
it's the same analogy. denial is what a guilty person would do; admittance involves self-flagulation.
Does she weigh as much as a duck?
"You're a racist."
"No, I don't think I am."
"You're fragile AND a racist."
Worse...a racist in denial.
Brilliant article MATT!!!!!
My attitude towards ethnic background :
first of all I call people by their names and I tend to correct people who do otherwise. I simply think it's kind of dehumanizing to call someone that Latino guy or that Arab woman.
Secondly, I only talk about people I know. I can't generalize the way I perceive them as if anyone with a similar cultural or ethnic background would tend to act the same way. That's simply stupid. The more people we get to know from a particular cultural or ethnic background, the more we'll find individuals acting in very diverse ways and having very diverse opinions from one another.
She implicitly gives people permission to be racist since they can't help it anyway.
"Racist" is an anti-White slur. What she does is make people anti-White like she is. #NoWhiteGuilt
ding ding ding! We have a winner!
I live in south Mississippi and there are some very complex people when it comes to race beliefs, but among them is definitely the 'I have racist views and don't like what that means so if I finger EVERYONE as racist I can be normal' people. They are among the worst.
@@mythark2177 the funny thing is that the most racist people I have ever known were not white, and I grew up in the deep south.
@@mythark2177 Obvious idiot troll is obvious idiot
@@traewatkins931 obvious idiot troll is obvious idiot troll
Not trying to tread on Godwin's Law, but both Bush & Obama owe a debt of gratitude to the original and uber-over-user of "folks" of them all - Adolf Hitler, whose first major speech in 1933 centered on "Das Volk", and which became a regular feature of his speeches from then on. OK, they're not exactly the same, but close enough.
Don’t forget the “Folks”wagon.
@Fahnen Junkie It's not close in the way Bush & Obama use folks as a euphemism for terrorists, but the root is the same and the traditional use is close, e.g. the concept of "folk music" and "Volksmusik" are very similar. Die Fahne hoch!
Folks jumping on the wagon.
@@elainehiggins2380 "Volswagen," the "Folks car."
I wish you folks could do a Joe Rogan length interview with Adolf Reed.
Rogan is a jesuit shill for Rome and the Epstain ring
Know your white supremacist apartheid loving Lucifer worshipping right wing Catholics of Opus Dei:
Rothschild
Bill Barr
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Donald Trump
Anthony Fauci
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Sarah Huckabee
Ann Coulter
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Laura Southern
Richard Spencer
Jacob Rees Mogg
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Anderson Cooper
Bernard Kerick
Micheal Brown
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Sargon of Akkad
Zachariah Sitchin
Steven Greer
Nick Fuentes
Steve Crowder
Adam Green
Jake Morphonius
Robert Sepher
Rick Wiles
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Jimmy Dore
Pat Buchanan
E Micheal Jones
Pat Buchanan
Tucker Carlson
James Corbett
Joe Rogan
Jordan Peterson
Boris Johnson
Tony Blair
www.economist.com/erasmus/2019/07/27/boris-johnsons-confusing-and-contradictory-religious-history
Tommy Robinson (convert 2013)
newsthump.com/2018/08/22/tommy-robinson-not-that-fussed-about-reporting-on-all-the-catholic-paedophiles/
Franz Ferdinand
Adolf Hitler
Josef Stalin
Napoleon Bonaparte
Abraham Lincoln on the threat of Catholicism
archive.org/stream/abrahamlincolnsv00wilc/abrahamlincolnsv00wilc_djvu.txt
World is Queens Commonwealth under Maritime Law
Elizabeth Greta Thurberg Von Saxe Gotha Coberg from Chateau Armois
Think that's a coincidence ?
Baron Don Von Drumph anybody?
Baron means Knight, a title bestowed by the Holy Roman Empire, also called Feihrer, sometimes spelt Fuehrer.
Other famous Barons include Baron Rothschild and Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson, Trump, Hitler, Stalin, Tito, Trotsky, Orwell, Freud, and Franz Ferdinand all come from Vienna Bavaria capital of the Holy Roman Empire
Catholic means Universal, and they read the scriptures of all religions literally.
zosotruthtalk.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-rothschild-dynasty-guardians-of-the-vatican-treasury-the-proverbial-red-herrings-for-the-papacy/
realitybloger.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/how-all-presidents-are-related-to-king-john/
www.mintpressnews.com/trump-clinton-refuse-explain-share-address-delaware/215907/
1290 Avenue of the Americas
www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475
dailycaller.com/2016/03/02/this-little-known-trump-soros-connection-will-surprise-you/
www.businessinsider.com.au/jared-kushner-ties-george-soros-goldman-sachs-peter-thiel-1-billion-loan-2017-5?r=US&IR=T
Kushner and Soros $250 million
therealdeal.com/2017/01/27/george-soros-is-the-secret-financier-behind-kushner-backed-startup-cadre/
www.investmentwatchblog.com/5g-jared-kushner-george-soros-hillary-skripal-666-5th-ave-rfid-chip-mark-of-the-beast/
www.thedailybeast.com/how-youtube-pulled-these-men-down-a-vortex-of-far-right-hate
clipez.ru/watch/Alex-Jones--James-Corbett--Tony-Gosling--News-Corp-Scandal--part-1/2/
corruptico.com/2013/08/27/infowars-paul-joseph-watson-direct-descendant-of-eugenicist-bertrand-russell/
www.inquisitr.com/5880726/jordan-peterson-neurological-damage-addiction-recovery/
Charles Bonaparte, direct descendant of Napoleon founded the FBI
www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fbi-founded
Mein Kampf, as read by Barron Don Von Drumph, was written by Jesuit Preist Bernard Stempfle.
Napoleon the "Jewish" messiah:
www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177890
Napoleon was Hitlers inspiration
www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/29/france.jonhenley
Napoleon and Hitler's coincidences
www.strangehistory.net/2016/10/14/napoleon-hitler-1943/
Donald Trump's 66th floor penthouse
www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/nyregion/donald-trump-tower-heights.html
Trump's Penthouse modelled on that of Napoleon's Versailles
littleatoms.com/what-donald-trumps-plastic-versailles-tells-us-about-president-elect
FBI admits Hitler escaped
www.businessinsider.com/declassified-fbi-files-about-hitlers-death-2015-12?IR=T
*#HitlerEscaped*
www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1058843/adolf-hitler-escaped-fbi-files-nazi-leader-berlin-bunker-spanish-farm-spt
Why does Trump talk at a 4th grade level?
www.businessinsider.com.au/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8?r=US&IR=T
Prescott Bush built Auschwitz
www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Koch bros and Hitler
timeline.com/the-koch-family-s-nazi-ties-are-more-entrenched-than-you-think-37c645012da0
Koch bros ties to Stalin and Climate Change denial
www.truthdig.com/articles/tea-party-financiers-owe-their-fortune-to-josef-stalin/
Bush Koch and Stalin
www.minnpost.com/community-voices/2019/02/how-the-right-sold-out-to-russia/
Hitler Trained at Tavistock in England
opcglobalnewsandmedia.com/2019/01/world-exclusive-adolf-hitler-the-british-security-services-connection-and-an-unmarked-grave-in-spain-by-giovanni-di-stefano/
Mussolini enlisted by MI5
www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy
Scionist Neo Nazis
www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727
80% of Jews dont support israel or scionism
forward.com/opinion/430535/a-lot-more-jews-are-anti-zionists-than-you-think/
BlackMirror
www.earthlymission.com/lincoln-kennedy-the-incredible-parallels/
Napoleon and Hitler's coincidences
www.strangehistory.net/2016/10/14/napoleon-hitler-1943/
Trump and Hitler coincidences
www.livescience.com/53818-hitler-micropenis.html
Bull Shivic, Bolshevik, bull, (civic-minded, demagogue), someone who gains political power by appealing to people's emotion's instincts, & prejudices in a way that is considered manipulative & myopic; someone who incessantly reiterates the same petty complaints, until they are taken seriously.
There are citizens with valid complaints & issues, but invariably the meeting will have to deal with some Bullshivic & his personal gripe of "supreme importance".
@@uncannyvalley2350 put down the crack pipe lol
@@2FadeMusic that last part was for you
What he says around 1:24:50 is exactly what happened in South Africa. Following the end of Apartheid, the major mines and corporations invited blacks (and other minorities) onto their boards, creating a wealthy black subset, who proceeded to defend the interests of those corporations, while the plight of ordinary black South Africans continued to worsen.
It's a Plutocratic solution everywhere. Co-opting works. The Romans were good at it, too.
The shot of the Cambodian doctors posing with the extracted penile leach truly floored me.
White fragility bit starts at 36:00.
I feel like a dufus. I looked up to see if the Cleveland Unicorns existed. I'm not much of a sports fan. I had a conversation about 5 years ago with some guys and they were throwing out professional sports names I thought were jokes. So the Fighting Unicorns? .... could be real ... Don't judge me.
Here are a few real ones: The Blue Hens, Rainbow Warriors, Banana Slugs, Blue Hose, Zips.
Unicorns would fit in nicely :)
Minor League Baseball is a treasure trove of ridiculous names, such as:
Sod Poodles
Blue Wahoos
Jumbo Shrimp
Flying Squirrels
Sea Dogs
SeaWolves
RubberDucks
Trash Pandas
Yard Goats
Fisher Cats
Biscuits
Rumble Ponies
Unicorns would almost be too normal.
@@upgrayedd9732 Are those really real?
@@upgrayedd9732 Penis Leeches
I had to look it up as well...
Matt you looked like your coffee was about to journey through your nose. Katie has a way of bringing that about. It happens to me while enjoying your show.
Robin profiteered at First U here... She was awful.. Agree she’s a huckster... According to many Black friends & colleagues, hurts Blacks, who want reasonable universal & preventive health care, & education & economic opportunities for children, like everyone else... instead of alienating;
most people are true allies and genuinely care about content of character and not color of skin
I had heard she was a careerist academic who didnt act on what she was preaching in the predominately white community she lived and worked in.
She is just another opportunist trying to pull in some cash. Academics have been pointing out her bullshit for years. She is pushing dangerous propaganda that is only making things worse.
Good stuff. People like Di Angelo have this deranged idea that we can eliminate racism by focusing on it solely and severely, as if turning everything into racism will eliminate racism. She's creating racism where it doesn't exist and she's reversing progress that's been made.
emf 1200 There is no such thing as ‘reverse-racism’. Impossible in a world where white supremacy is the dominating system.
@@martianspeed That is just insanely naive.
What an amazing talk. This podcast has become my favorite over the last few months! I love using "folk(s)."
"That's All Folks"
I am rewatching this now, coming back to it, with a lot more understanding, not a great understanding but a better understanding of real suppression of class mobility here. Very interesting points and theory to think over at least. Will look into Adolph Reeds work.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - GO
And I hate the ever-so-clever and incorrect use of the word "incorporate". Folks.
BLUE DOG
Actually the expansion of Medicaid helped folks of all colors. Too bad you don’t seem to care about conservatives not expanding it
i was having a bad/rough week and then i watched this. thanks matt and katie. you are always good for a laugh in these crazy times. which means a lot.
I love you two. Thank you for your voices of reason.
Totally agreed on "folks"! Glad to hear someone else hears how they're using it to try to be "some kinda way". So annoying. Ty
Maybe DeAngelo is projecting on others. I haven't read her book as of yet. However, I do know black women with strong builds have been compared to gorillas and apes. Just read the horrible comments on UA-cam pertaining to black people and black women in general. One athlete who comes to mind is Serena Williams. When Serena played against Naomi Osaka, an Australian cartoonist depicted her in a very unflattering light. She looked angry and akin to an animal in her mannerisms and actions. He, however, whitewashed Osaka (white skin & blond hair) who happens to be of Japanese and Haitian descent. The cartoonist stated he was mocking Serena's poor behavior. To me it was very similar to the racist and sexist tropes used against women, who are perceived to be angry when they stand up for themselves. John McEnroe was known for his outbursts on the court, but was he ever depicted in that light? I think he was admired by some. I've been around my in laws who make demeaning comments about other racial groups. Some are quite content with letting you know exactly how they feel. Others try and gaslight you into thinking your being too sensitive when that’s not the case. This is the same thing I experience at work…the gaslighting.
Katie, "seething" is a WASP thing. Matt got it. It's ok. Still Love You!
The word, or the action?
Whoever did that chart at 19:41 needs to be locked in padded room. "unified field theory of crazy" ... indeed.
We saw live video of the protesters going through the gate and they just opened it up. It was not locked. This damage wasn't done before they went through it.
i am no a liberal, I am libertarian, matt is a true liberal, god bless him, and ive always liked this man a bunch, his book the divide is a book every side should read, taibbi and dore rock
Shout out to Arlo Guthrie's "Alice's Restaurant" at 19:40. I had to pause this video so I could play the 20min song , such a classic tune!
I suspect Katie barely has any idea what that is.
"Doc, I want to kill.." Lol love Alice's Restaurant
Ditto :)
Lynn Lobliner : I wish I had no idea what that was....
Lynn Lobliner by not telling us why you think so, you come off as a complete ass
Great show this week, Katie and Matt! You guys are my fav podcast
White Privilege is the Biggest Myth of Our Time!
No White Guilt! 😍
No, white privilege is no myth. Class privilege isn’t a myth either. While I agree with the criticisms Reed and Taibbi make of essentialism, the first few chapters of DiAngelo’s book (or better, books by Ibram X. Kendi, Ta-Nehisi Coates or Angela Davis) amply demonstrate this. By all means, don’t feel guilty, but learn about systemic racism and work to promote equity
Abe - Avoid "equity." It tends to mean equal outcomes. To the degree individuals are different, families are different, communities are different, and cultures are different; outcomes will be different. The ONLY way to equalize outcomes is force.
@@StrategicWealthLLC Yes. Equality doesn't exist in nature, and it never will, unless it's forced.
@@abe8435 Systemic discrimination benefits women, and non-￦hites.
@Resurgens Exactly! I refer to them as 'Non-￦h¡tes', since we're the real POC!
Holy shit... I love this guy. This is the type of discussion both the Republican Party and Democratic Party, at large, don’t want you to hear. These are more discussions and evidence we absolutely need a true Progressive Party. The Democratic Party absolutely does not deserve to use the “Democratic” moniker anymore. Arguably they haven’t deserved it in decades. I’m an independent, myself for now.
I am embarrassed to admit I only heard of Adolph Reed from Finkelstein a week ago. Fantastic analysis with zero pretention. Excuse me while I go and do a deep dive into his stuff.
Just after the 46:00 mark... My thoughts exactly; she's projecting her thoughts and mindset onto everyone else. Also, not everyone's family was/is like that and had better or different things to talk about at family gatherings... Not everyone's family gatherings were Klan meetings
Also- smiling about lynchings? Saddening and stomach turning 😢😡
Off topic, but who on earth has a kid, born after 1931, and they name him, "Adolph?"
He's Adolph Reed jr., but yeah it's still a surprising choice.
Now bring Cornel West back on with Adolph Reed and let them have the floor for an two hours.
I read White Fragility and my take away, which many have already concluded was that by doing sociology without criticizing Capitalism and the class structure created by that system as inherent to it, she misses the point. Are her ideas coming from a Sociological frame completely invalid? Racism is a socially constructed phenomenon that was constructed by a complex multidisciplinary interactions between institutions and disciplines to justify colonization, exploitation, and slavery. But never includes in that a critique of her paymasters in the corporate world that are a continuation of that history. If you come from an upperclass white conservative family, much of what she says will be relatable, and many of the revelations are helpful. But it remains right-wing by default as it is like you said,
"a never ending HR problem to root out" and thus derailing working class solidarity.
Honesty I can't believe Rolling Stone is even allowing a conversation like this to happen. I'm almost impressed.
Katie's right, Bush would often use 'folks,' to help build up his 'all hat and no cattle' Texas demeanor.
Once again, you guys knock it out of the park.
I'm in St. Louis. The McCloskey's neighbors in that community have issued a statement against them, were NOT supportive of their behavior, especially use of firearms.
Good to know. Thanks
That's going to make the neighborhood block party awkward.
This was one of the best Useful Idiots of all time. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Adolph Reed is simply hilarious and calls it like he sees it (even it I might not see it that way) and I love his brutal intellectual honesty....
Katie’s football analyses are priceless
Katie Halper: "I hate how people say 'it's funny'." Also Katie Halper: 14:32
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Yeah, everyone does that. It’s very “better than thou” to point out people’s mannerisms. *Folks, it’s politics and politics are all about spin....unfortunately. Bernie was pretty much zero spin and look where that got him.
I agree with her in that I don't like the "it's funny" or "it's interesting" mannerism used to describe a fact that is neither funny nor interesting. But it's frustratingly inescapable. It's ironic that she ribs Matt in this episode for "folks" but flew under the radar on her own slip-up.
@@profd65 I know that your comment is critical at my expense, but I like the point you made with it about overused mannerisms and cliches. Touche.
Just phoney
I thought I saw Kurt Loder in the background of that McCloskey picture. :)
41:07 they play a game called Richard Spencer or Robin Diangelo. Lol I love it!
Please have Jane Elliot on. She was a teacher who divided her kids into brown/ blue eyes to teach them about racism. The town went after her for that. She also taught seminars to whites about racism and treated them in a racist manner(great doc. about it). Anyway, her views and her humanity is well worth the effort. Long ago I was moved and inspired by her!
I am culturally right wing but truth is truth and Professor Reed speaks it
Medieval witch trials 101. If the witch floats, they're using magic, therefore a witch and burned at the stake. If they drown, they may not have been a witch, but they're drowned and God will sort it out.
I do think there are many people who need to recognize their own racism and be able to talk about it and deal with it.
......and won't change a damn thing.
"Many of" what?
Read White Fragility im betting? Thats called a Khafka Trap..a logic bomb that insists you obey and if you don't then it just proves that you are the problem
56:25 is when the interview starts
thatnks!!
Listening all the way through to see Katie blush and contemplate a team known as the unicorns was just great!
Richard Spencer or Robin Di Angelo should become like a buzzfeed quiz or something like that.
It would be very useful to make a point to the people planning to read that book.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"When elections are choices between evils, ultimate evil has already won the ultimate triumph." Me.
Good folks, though, are off the hook.
"It is insufficient to have truth on our side. For the side without truth will eventually resort to artillery, and the truth is no match for artillery."
---Leon Trotsky
Go team Burke!
Anyone else think Katie is gorgeous?
Would love for you to invite Robin on!! I agree with her completely and was disappointed in your critique. My fragility isn’t about what you seem to think it is 😃 she and I can handle any questions you have.
Nice of you to offer good faith dialogue~^^ How can someone make use of the the book's insights if they have trouble accepting its main premises? The "you're a witch if you float" analogy rings true as far as I can tell.
Completely agree. I don’t think these two people in the video could handle a real discussion about race; racism; white privilege or white supremacy, however.
martianspeed not sure I’d agree with your assessment of these two but I’m not really that familiar with them. They’ve had Dr Cornell West on and seemed to value his views. I’m gonna assume they could handle DiAngelo and I’m gonna double dog dare ‘em to try it 😁
@@nuggetji Copy that. Thanks for assessment..
So you guys are unironically proposing white guilt.
She does mention structural / systemic racism in the book but that's not the focus.
Seems to me like nitpicky nonsense so you can have something to talk about on your shows.
Delicious irony laced humorous daggers to the heart of political absurdity - thanks Katie and Matt !
Taibbi!!!!! The balls on this guy. Stay strong