The reason why Jigsaw saved Logan when he didn't save others that failed his traps is because, like he said, it was his mistake that caused it. Logan was still out from the drugs Kramer gave him and letting Logan die because Kramer knocked him out would be straight up murder rather than Logan failing a test. Kramer ALWAYS stressed that he NEVER killed anyone. Every test he made was, in his own mind, fair and possible for a person to pass so if they died it was THEIR failure that caused it. In this case, Kramer was just staying true to his principles as twisted as they were.
Yeah no Kramer logic is ... There is lot of people who never have a chance to survive by themself (Adam in Saw 1, the guy Amanda have to kill to found the key to the reverse bear trap, the people that Jeff have to save in Saw 3 (the only way they have to save themself is to make Jeff help them...)
@@alexisbidule5555 And that's what makes Kramer's logic so twisted. Adam DID have every chance to escape. He had his key but panicked and flushed it down the drain. He had the saw, but couldn't bring himself to use it while his competitor could. But what really makes the other examples so twisted is that Kramer pushed all responsibility for their lives onto others. Amanda CHOSE to kill the guy, not Kramer. Jeff CHOSE to sit there and watch as people died and he had the power to save them, not Kramer. We as the audience know that Kramer bears most of the responsibility for these death for forcing Jeff and Amanda into these situations but in Kramer's cancer riddled brain its STILL their choices that killed people not him. From an legal, ethical and moral standpoint, Kramer is full of shit. From a purely logical standpoint, looking just at the objective facts, he's actually right. Its what makes his brand of crazy so disturbing and interesting to watch.
@@grantpflum6844 Adam actually didn't have every chance to survive. He got screwed from the start so hard by Amanda who placed the key wrong. Gordan was very much favored over Adam in their game
With the hanging trap and the numbered syringes. It’s revealed that the correct syringe was the one marked 3.53. Carly realizes just before being injected that the 3.53 actually meant $3.53. It turned out that the asthma lady only had $3.53 in her purse when Carly robbed her and caused her death. So much of this movie is based on everything going exactly the way it did. There are so many plot holes and scenarios that would have messed everything up. For example with the syringe hanging trap, how in the hell did John Kramer know the asthma lady only had $3.53 in her purse when she died. Also what if she had not made it past the buzz saw room, how would any of them know the answer to the syringes. Also with Mitch’s trap he finds the tape player with his name on it and has a rope snag his leg and drag him over the spiral trap. What if someone else had grabbed the tape player would they have had to go thru the trap meant for him. Or if he had been a foot or so to the side would the snare have missed grabbing him. It was extremely lucky that every trap went off correctly.
10:10 - Yeah ... This Outcome is absolutely not surprising Lieing about Jigsaw puts you on Jigsaws Shitlist. He should have seen this coming 10 km away
I'm so excited for you to get to Saw X in the next video ❤ Ok i just watched the first part of your video , come on why not continue with a franchise? Only 2 movies to go ,I'm begging you
On the continuity: Jigsaw = Failed soft reboot/prequel. Most fans just ignore it and don't treat it as canon. Spiral = Spin-off sequel set years after the original series that is seperate enough that it doesn't change the story either way. Meh film with a legit awesome final scene. Saw X = part of the OG continuity. Also an amazing film.
The funny thing is that Spiral being a spin-of he shouldn't be counted in the number of Saw movie (the original plan was it to have it's own sequels), but since 1)it's failed and won't have any sequel 2) Saw X is cool title (better than Saw IX...) they choose to count it
Honestly, I kinda like most of the horror reboots. Friday is a nice 4 in 1 deal, Nightmare is cool but would have been better if they fully committed to the "Freddy was actually innocent" storyline, and Jigsaw (aka "Saw Legacy" in Italian) is a nice substory that apparently is still canon. The main major complain I hear the most is the anachronistic elements during the flashbacks
Could you do the film theory on Saw? If his traps would ACTUALLY inspire people to change? Like would the trauma and survival REALLY help? Ties in with this saw series you got going on.
Saw 3D is in my opinion the best of the series. It is hilarious and campy beyond all measure. Between all the Saw movies it is the most entertaining to watch. Also I like doing some odd math with the episode. 3D. D is the 4th letter of the alphabet. 3+4=7. Saw 7.
(please do D&D But the players are monsters im getting tired of requesting :( ) 3 requests! React to "How Powerful is showa Godzilla?" By goji chronic! React to skeletal spyro's "could you beat these cereal mascots in a FIGHT"(I already asked if it'd be alright and they said yes) Or if you want more magic the Noah React to "D&D But the players are monsters" It has smallant failboat Captainkidd!
@@theduckgoesmoo I think you can watch them honestly they are really good especially the first one unless you want to watch the movie itself first because it’s a really good plot( 1 of the best ever)which James obviously spoils in his videos but otherwise I think you can watch it
00:00 Dina? or - oh uneasy. the mega Brazen Bull This is the last movie I saw, though I was interested in the next 3:00 Aaaa right right and he becomes 4:14...lol(?) - We know it hasn't been John for a good while though, right 5:24 yOO 6:13 fuck fuck fuck and that opened me up to the brazen bull and then other torture devices in the recommended videos section back then 7:29 Two Song references 12:33 I'm glad he at least _tries_ , but I remember this video or another video years ago calling him the only person to not save _anyone_ 14:45 haha yep 16:12 HAH 20:32 Watch over Jill ohh 23:30 Time stamping byebye 23:45 actually after this trap, because I've seen this trap//clip.
There have been 2 more movies in the series since this. Spiral: Book of Saw, which is not great and Saw X, which is great.
The reason why Jigsaw saved Logan when he didn't save others that failed his traps is because, like he said, it was his mistake that caused it. Logan was still out from the drugs Kramer gave him and letting Logan die because Kramer knocked him out would be straight up murder rather than Logan failing a test. Kramer ALWAYS stressed that he NEVER killed anyone. Every test he made was, in his own mind, fair and possible for a person to pass so if they died it was THEIR failure that caused it. In this case, Kramer was just staying true to his principles as twisted as they were.
He’s actually crazy
Yeah no Kramer logic is ... There is lot of people who never have a chance to survive by themself (Adam in Saw 1, the guy Amanda have to kill to found the key to the reverse bear trap, the people that Jeff have to save in Saw 3 (the only way they have to save themself is to make Jeff help them...)
@@alexisbidule5555 And that's what makes Kramer's logic so twisted. Adam DID have every chance to escape. He had his key but panicked and flushed it down the drain. He had the saw, but couldn't bring himself to use it while his competitor could. But what really makes the other examples so twisted is that Kramer pushed all responsibility for their lives onto others. Amanda CHOSE to kill the guy, not Kramer. Jeff CHOSE to sit there and watch as people died and he had the power to save them, not Kramer. We as the audience know that Kramer bears most of the responsibility for these death for forcing Jeff and Amanda into these situations but in Kramer's cancer riddled brain its STILL their choices that killed people not him. From an legal, ethical and moral standpoint, Kramer is full of shit. From a purely logical standpoint, looking just at the objective facts, he's actually right. Its what makes his brand of crazy so disturbing and interesting to watch.
@@grantpflum6844 Adam actually didn't have every chance to survive. He got screwed from the start so hard by Amanda who placed the key wrong. Gordan was very much favored over Adam in their game
With the hanging trap and the numbered syringes. It’s revealed that the correct syringe was the one marked 3.53. Carly realizes just before being injected that the 3.53 actually meant $3.53. It turned out that the asthma lady only had $3.53 in her purse when Carly robbed her and caused her death.
So much of this movie is based on everything going exactly the way it did. There are so many plot holes and scenarios that would have messed everything up. For example with the syringe hanging trap, how in the hell did John Kramer know the asthma lady only had $3.53 in her purse when she died. Also what if she had not made it past the buzz saw room, how would any of them know the answer to the syringes.
Also with Mitch’s trap he finds the tape player with his name on it and has a rope snag his leg and drag him over the spiral trap. What if someone else had grabbed the tape player would they have had to go thru the trap meant for him. Or if he had been a foot or so to the side would the snare have missed grabbing him.
It was extremely lucky that every trap went off correctly.
10:10 - Yeah ...
This Outcome is absolutely not surprising
Lieing about Jigsaw puts you on Jigsaws Shitlist.
He should have seen this coming 10 km away
32:20 - Decker Shado pointed out it in his review that it would have made waaay more sense to sell the Parts of the Bike
The internet personality with the best hair.
The thing with Hoffman is that we are supposedly getting another movie and Hoffman is supposed to be the main character for that.
I'm so excited for you to get to Saw X in the next video ❤
Ok i just watched the first part of your video , come on why not continue with a franchise? Only 2 movies to go ,I'm begging you
On the continuity:
Jigsaw = Failed soft reboot/prequel. Most fans just ignore it and don't treat it as canon.
Spiral = Spin-off sequel set years after the original series that is seperate enough that it doesn't change the story either way. Meh film with a legit awesome final scene.
Saw X = part of the OG continuity. Also an amazing film.
The funny thing is that Spiral being a spin-of he shouldn't be counted in the number of Saw movie (the original plan was it to have it's own sequels), but since 1)it's failed and won't have any sequel 2) Saw X is cool title (better than Saw IX...) they choose to count it
Honestly, I kinda like most of the horror reboots.
Friday is a nice 4 in 1 deal, Nightmare is cool but would have been better if they fully committed to the "Freddy was actually innocent" storyline, and Jigsaw (aka "Saw Legacy" in Italian) is a nice substory that apparently is still canon. The main major complain I hear the most is the anachronistic elements during the flashbacks
Eh, I wasn't a big fan of the Nightmare reboot but the other's I'll give you
Hey did you know that death battle is officially coming back, can’t wait to see your reactions, the first one is omniman vs bardok
Yea look things up you still have Spiral and Saw X to react too.
The two Pigmen that were with Gordon was going to be the two opening trap guys
Could you do the film theory on Saw?
If his traps would ACTUALLY inspire people to change? Like would the trauma and survival REALLY help?
Ties in with this saw series you got going on.
Get ready for a 3 hour long magic the Noah video! 😂🎉
More like 4 hours
I love you man and your reactions ❤
you should totally watch his final destination series, the second one is hella iconic
You haven't seen final destination? Okay Final Destination kill count series must be next then!
Not next but it will come
20:43 No, they were just the other pigmen that helped Gordon capture Hoffman
1:30 - ALMOST there
Can you react to one of the ink tank's two series, the first one is and beyond and the second one is 5YL
Saw 3d is so ridiculously bad that I can't help but have fun when I watch it
Oh wait we're done with the saw films? It feels like we just started.
For now their are two more but will be later
Spiral takes place after the first 8 and saw x is in between saw and saw 2
Saw 3D is in my opinion the best of the series. It is hilarious and campy beyond all measure. Between all the Saw movies it is the most entertaining to watch. Also I like doing some odd math with the episode. 3D. D is the 4th letter of the alphabet. 3+4=7. Saw 7.
Do the kill count on the Hannibal Lecter movie series. Its really interesting!
35:31 Top 10 anime betrayals
(please do D&D But the players are monsters im getting tired of requesting :( )
3 requests!
React to "How Powerful is showa Godzilla?" By goji chronic!
React to skeletal spyro's "could you beat these cereal mascots in a FIGHT"(I already asked if it'd be alright and they said yes)
Or if you want more magic the Noah React to "D&D But the players are monsters" It has smallant failboat Captainkidd!
ur cool bro, idk how many Dead Meat vids you have watched, but i suggest the ALIEN kill counts AND the PREDATOR kill counts! Keep at it dude!
I think I already did the alien kill counts
Hah, fair enough. I do suggest more dead meat content tho
So Kyle which saw movie do you like the best? From your reactions
*please do Spiral (2021) and Saw X (2023) KILL COUNT by Dead Meat? 🥺🙏🏻*
He will, he’s going in order. So it won’t be for a while.
Wouldn't it make more sense to finish this series now ?? The Saw X kill count is still so far away, it could take over a year
Question when is he doing the thing kill counts
@@BraamBezuidenhout I was told to skip them but wasn’t given an answer as to when I can watch them
@@theduckgoesmoo I think you can watch them honestly they are really good especially the first one unless you want to watch the movie itself first because it’s a really good plot( 1 of the best ever)which James obviously spoils in his videos but otherwise I think you can watch it
44:04 Yes! Triple reaction next week. That much closer to the Jurassic Park, Predator, and Halloween franchises
Not actually because the week after is going to be a single video. So it’s still 4 videos in 2 weeks
@@theduckgoesmoo Oh, I knew Uncle Sam, Never Hike Alone, and Unfriended would be in the middle
Hey duck, you might want to split up Noah’s newest video into three or two parts because it is almost 4 hours. Just to give you some heads up on it.
@@grimreaper9121 nope all in one sitting
Then it’s going to be the longest video you will ever make. Doug being second.
That Tiffany Valentine reference is heartbreaking considering they JUST canceled the 4th season of the Chucky TV series yesterday 😢
00:00 Dina? or - oh uneasy. the mega Brazen Bull
This is the last movie I saw, though I was interested in the next
3:00 Aaaa right right and he becomes
4:14...lol(?) - We know it hasn't been John for a good while though, right
5:24 yOO
6:13 fuck fuck fuck and that opened me up to the brazen bull and then other torture devices in the recommended videos section back then
7:29 Two Song references
12:33 I'm glad he at least _tries_ , but I remember this video or another video years ago calling him the only person to not save _anyone_
14:45 haha yep
16:12 HAH
20:32 Watch over Jill ohh
23:30 Time stamping byebye
23:45 actually after this trap, because I've seen this trap//clip.