A New Keyboard Switch for the Lazy - Matcha Latte Switches
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2021
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Boards: Iron180 brass bottom with brass plate and stock Matcha Latte
Gingko with FR4 plate, case foam, and stock Matcha Latte.
The fact there are switches that can be usable stock has gotten me very excited for what's to come in our hobby.
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"you can use them stock dudeee" lol. never again after getting into the hobby. team linear!
i've come full circle and i relish the opportunity to skip lubing now lol
@@AndyVNguyen after so much lubing you get tired and switches are becoming Better and better stock so why bother for some like the Aqua kings
@@AndyVNguyen Nah, now you get other keebheads to lube them for you.
You're too important to do menial labour man, outsource that shit.
I used to find lubing and filming kinda tedious/annoying at first, then I didn't mind it as much when I got more efficient/consistent at it, and now I despise lubing with all my heart... I just want to build the dang keyboard man
i have also experienced that pattern lol. you can hit a groove and watch like 3-4 netflix episodes to do a set of 90
then you realize you just lost half a day watching 4 episodes of netflix LOL
@@AndyVNguyen exactly!! I personally prefer 75% or tkl over 65's but my latest build is the sun68 just because you literally won't be able to pay me to spend like a full day lubing (usually takes me a full day because I get distracted and take huge breaks for gym and such)
try gateron cj's if you like linears and not lubing. also just any switch that is marketed as factory lubed i've found to be just fine. i think people get used to the buttery thickness of toi much 205 and think that's what a lubed switch is supposed to feel like and then they want all their switches to feel that way. to me less is more and factory lube is just fine imo
@@deepsp_ce well, it's not really a question whether lubing switches yourself is a lot better than factory lubed in most cases. Factory lube is fine but if you're looking for the best of the best, then you wanna lube and film switches yourself (or pay people to do it). Trust me, I've been in the scene long enough to see the differences and feel them myself.
I’m currently in the latter phase. I just frank-switched for the first time ever, lubing and filming them. Now I’m absolutely burned out on any kind of switch modding. Using unlubed KTT Strawberries rn and they feel great
Solid review. Watching this after seeing these switches just restocked today, and going to buy a pack to try out on one of my next builds. 👍
Glad I could help! I got another set of 90 lol
@@AndyVNguyen I spoke too soon. In the time that I watched your review, they all seem to have sold out. That went fast!!! Guess they really are that good.
That’s so unlucky! Sorry. Yes they are that good.. even made sat75 sound good lol
As someone who suffers from an anxiety disorder, spending 2-3 hours lubing switches is actually a great way for me keep my mind focused on one peaceful thing instead of a million things that make me uncomfortable.
anxiety disorder 🤦♂️
@@keithjohn1650 ?
@@keithjohn1650?
@@skokieb0y_396 when people say they have anxiety disorder it just pisses me off. Tf u think everyone else is experiencing non anxiety?? Everyone has anxiety and everyone is going through shit, just saying u have something called “anxiety disorder” means ur a regular human being. The industry has made this shit flourish so they can make a good buck of you so u can take their pills n shit. What you think people before did, they dealt with it.
@@keithjohn1650 ?
I don’t like lubing switches BUT I do like testing new switches, knowing new feels and sounds, exploring, and finding what I like. That part is very therapeutic to me
Coming from the gunpla hobby, lubing switches doesn't feel tedious at all. If I'm short on time, I'd much rather lube and film than have to sand, scribe, prime, paint, etc. Also, I at least the switches go into a device that I'll use regularly, versus something that just looks pretty on a shelf (though yes, some people just have keyboards for that too hahaha).
damn im also gunpla- keebs. look into the zaku linear switches?
ANDY???? i got my matcha latte switches today and they have to be the best stock switches i've tried. and they're super cute. thank you for the rec 😭
Just added these to my feker alice 80......mind blown! Sounds/feels GREAT! They are a bit on the heavy side, but 10/10 would buy again!
i still love these switches today lol . glad youre enjoying them!
I definitely find lubing switches therapeutic while simultaneously finding it to be a bit weird. That being said, after doing batch after batch I find no shame in reaching for a stock switch. Definitely going to look into these for some hotswap testing!
This review was funny af, I love the new format man. Great video
glad you enjoyed it! I try to make every video a little more spicy haha
ima need the exact details. the space bar pop is soo good
I bought some gat ink black v2's for my keychron q3 build and only had one slightly scratchy switch out of 90, their qc process must have gotten better over time
Yo, these sound pretty good for being stock ngl
Sounds but im with u i like my switch to bounce back.
Cool switch, actually sounded way better than I thought they would. Are you still working on that cable video? I was really looking forward to that
surprising switch imo. yeah i'm still working on the cable video - i'm just one person!
@@AndyVNguyen just wanted to see if it was still in the works! No rush, love the content Andy. Thanks for everything and keep up the awesome work! ❤
Dude the switches actually sound really great though haha
i usually lube my switches when doing something else, like playing dnd. i have ADHD and always have to do something with my hands, so a no brain task like lubing is really nice for a 2-5 hour session of sitting around and role playing
Im interested in the JWK ultimate black switch because many people said it is budget black ink, it's really smooth and thock. If possible, can you make a vid review JWK ultimate black?:)
sold out :( will definitely try to cop next time there's a drop and sale going on
You should review Prevail Epsilons! They're smoother than Black Inks, but slightly clackier. Definitely a unique JWK!
i took a look at them and put it in the bauer and the wind x already, they're pretty nice
I enjoy lubing the switches. 👀
No shipping to Canada... thanks invokeys, that's real cool.
We now ship worldwide, so go nuts!!
Andy casually testing switches in my dreamboard (Ginkgo) while I am sitting here, waiting for May 2022 so I can use it myself.
I am really envious, man! :)
Soon my friend
Another banger of a video
Just picked up some of those switches among some other stuff that I needed to get
excited to give these a try. been interested in long poles lately but only ever tried creamsicles
i really like the sound in em ngl. i don't even remember creamsicles at this point. there's so many options that replace them
"Tealio: Ripoff" lol
inb4 zeal comes after me like *ahem* another keyboard vendor
I've yet to find any switches that don't at least need the springs lubed.
yooo they looks and sounds so good Im getting them
i personally don't care about the colors of switches but boy do i love my matcha
I love lubing switches because the alternative is studying...
This man just called me lazy damn
join the club
These switches went back in stock and I bought some. There is a huge consistency issue with the switches I received. Some felt very scratchy even when heavily lubed whilst others have no scratch at all with only a thin coat of lube. I'm not saying Andy is shilling (the switches being sent to review might truly be handpicked after all) for invokey but new buyers do need to be aware.
Sorry to hear. Not sure if they still hand QC them. They did it for all retail ones for a few rounds, not just my set for review. I got another set two rounds after the review set, Someone just tagged me said they loved their set from the last sale. If it’s a huge discrepancy, I would email them
@@AndyVNguyen Thanks for the heads up Andy! Already emailed, waiting for their reply.
@@ross.l8381 did you ever get a reply?
@@OzKo Oh yeah they basically said to cope with it
Just bought some very excited I've got a very good feeling about these switches for my prefernce that is lol
I'm currently sitting here lubing and filming pom durocks lol
hahahaha are you enjoying yourself though
@@AndyVNguyen I like lubing but dealing with films is annoying because I have fat fingers
I use the WEENG method to lube switches. Definitely way faster and just as effective.
what's the WEENG method?
Lube stem only
@@AndyVNguyen I like your method. It's less likely to overlube.
showed up for beginning of the stream and was going to buy, but now I cant decide between these and op blacks. opinions?
OP blacks had some heavy QC issues. but the big diff b/t em is that op black isn't a long pole stem. so pick the overall sound you like.
Would you recommend keebsforall pink robin switches over the matcha lattes? They seem to be a recolour of the same switch. Only difference I know of is the factory lubing consistency.
Will have a review of them soon
@@AndyVNguyen Could u also review the red jacket linears? I really like the full nylon housings but I don't know much about them as there are little to no reviews out there.
When is it restocking?
I first hated lubing. Now I just go onto the computer throw a stream in and start lubing. Before you know it your done.
If you don't like lubing just get clicky switches :D
These switches sound pretty good and I like that they do some extra quality control on them.
clicky switches are for monsters
This must be a joke
clickies can be cool but if i use them for daily use i will probably go crazy
These look stunning ngl
green is big hype rn
Hmm I kinda want them to go with my green cyberboard tbh.
Cyberboard sounded great for me with NK silks stock before so I’m sure these will be great as well
@@AndyVNguyen Bruuuv they're sold out. smh. You made them too popular. I was waiting to be back from my vacation to buy them.
lubing is just a healing for me, i don't mind doing thousand of it lol. i cant trust factory lube :(
do we need to break in our switches before lubing them? coz i just got my new switches and lubing em instantly haha
depends on the switch, most of them i don't care and i just lube and use it
these are definitely very tempting, just wish invokeys shipped to canada : (
We're actually now set up to ship worldwide, so go nuts!
@@invokeys Oh wow, that was quick! I'll definitely be ordering a few of these switches.
how to these compare to the gateron jellos
truly a dream switch for me :3
i was super surprised when i tried them.. almost wanna buy more for myself..
I don't hate lubing switches. I'd rather not do it but I just put a movie on and get on with it.
I'd need two movies personally
What's the deepest sounding smoothest linear switch?
What is the deepest sounding and tactile switch?
Thank you!
2 seconds of a UA-cam search. bro Come on
@@-keiskx1774 there's too many different opinions from UA-camrs, so I am hoping to hear from actual users that are not being sponsored. I personally like coffee chip ice cream the best for tactile, and epsilon do linear. How about you?
“If you’re bleeding you’ve gone too far” 😂
How many switches did you blood lube before you got the hang of it Andy
I'm always at a war with switch pins ngl. them thangs SHARP
Solid review. Sadly they are out of stock
they've been restocking here and there
So, do you suggest buying them factory lubed? Is that worth the money, or is it better unlubed entirely?
IMO yes, cuz i'm lazy.
@@AndyVNguyen cool
And there are still bent pins on the handfull you were holding. After 100% qc.
Bent happens in shipping sometimes. It’s not that much of an issue, I’d always check pins before installing into hotswap no matter who it comes from.
looking niceee
i agree!!
@@AndyVNguyen :D
have you tried putting gat inks in the ginkgo 65? would love to hear a sound test if you get a chance!
Just wondering, what other switches use the, what I call, holy trinity of switch materials? ( pom stem, polycarb top, nylon bottom ), linear and tactile welcomed.
Most switches use that combo. Jwk switches are a good example
Watching this video while lubing my first ever batch of switches (Kailh box whites). This is not so bad if you do it in batches. Watching UA-cam or listening to some podcast. Maybe by the third batch I'd be over it and looking for those switches for the lazy XD.
lol yeah a lot of my friends do it in batches too but it still takes a lot of time. i honestly prefer just clearing it all out at once and not having to worry about it
I'm presently experiencing the opposite end of Aflion-made switches: KeebMonkey Icebergs. 25¢ a switch... Feels like there's weird issues with basically everything... poor stem tolerances/build quality, weird soft/weak/inconsistent bottom-out, and an unrefined two-stage spring. Lube makes 'em alright but these ain't it when JWICKs/Yellows/Reds exist.
Manufacturer is one thing but every vendor can work with them directly to create a different product. Seems they have an affordable line that is kind of trash lol
dang, i actually have no issues with the icebergs! Could be batch variance, esp since they're on the cheaper end
@@AnzelLmao oh for sure that's the deal here. Like for some stem wobble doesn't bother them... but mine have SO much wobble it's nuts, so the stems all wiggle enough to tease out more inconsistencies with the leaf spring, bottom housing, etc. Films don't work, just makes the housing almost impossible to re-open and doesn't change wobble. Some have nice, deep bottom-out, and others feel weak/vague; spring isn't the culprit, swapped them on affected switches and they still do it. Stem swap only makes a good stem feel... less so. It's maddening lol, glad your experience hasn't been like mine!
@@AndyVNguyen oh I'm sure that's what's happening here, but I hadn't heard of Aflion before this one so I was sort of uncertain. I've also got a "double mount gasket" board coming in from KeebMonkey (gasket tabs for both the plate AND PCB) which I am now deeply concerned with lol.
@@TheManicGeek sorry to hear that man! Here's to hoping they fix these issues in the future!
back when i was doing online school i would often lube switches during the class, because online for me was very easy, work load was a bit heavy but I could handle it because it was simple work, most of it was watching a video and answering questions, so id pull out the good old SC lube station and get to work, id probably lube like 50 switches in a day, ive got about 700 switches total, and so now i dont have to lube switches ever again!
But what about new switches!
@@AndyVNguyen on occasion I'll pick up some new switches. I don't want to feel ripped off due to marketing hype so if I do it will probably be some old durock switches. I got a lot of og rare switches so if I need I'll just desolder.
I like to lube switches!
Are there any issues with inconsisten stem travel? I have heard reports of aflion having inconsistent stem travel from switch to switch but I have no idea if that is true or not.
I have never noticed any
0:32 rip pins
any idea on how these might sound on a bakeneko?
Good
How do these compare to stock Ice Candy switches?
I think they're similar in smoothness and spring noise, just diff manu and materials so diff sound
Hoping for some Canadian vendors to carry this, they sound very good.
Maybe one day! Fingers crossed
We're now set up to ship worldwide!
How do these compare to Feker Matcha linear switches?
that's just a different switch from a different manu so ... nothing to really compare
Do these have north facing interference for cherry profile keycaps?
They’re long pole so it should help alleviate it
Do you have any I can buy off of you because none of them are in stock and I was planning on buying.
no
tfw when u lube 70 jwks only to realize the factory lube was better
i... experienced that with the poseidons lmao. remember how i said i only spent an hour? i tested it vs a stock and i was like
'theyre the same switch.'
dead
Lol I fall into weird bucket.
hahhaha, you're a lucky one
Should I get this or novelkey creams?
this is smoother
@@AndyVNguyen sheesh I didn’t think you would respond
where is the deskmat from
randomfrmnkp x novel keys topo deskman
You are not joking about hollow sound or iron180. Can't believe the board is so expensive and sounds like that. Your Unicorn sounds much better. Heck I feel even my kbd8x mkii sound better than that at half price.
Hr 15: Lubing switch 300. Have to get DeskKey Film aligned properly to satiate my OCD.
I hate films so much
Even when the switches are already smooth. Being in the hobby for a while I kinda feel like its an essential now. Without lubing and filming the switch something just feels kinda missing lol
qc on individual switches?! instant cop. it sucks buying switches that are still scratchy even after lubing.
FORREAL right. I was so miffed when I couldn't find 70 clean lavenders in my batch of 90.
The Ginkgo spacebar sounds so much better! Any mods or anything like that on it after the original Ginkgo video?
Nah just took the PE foam out lol
@Andy V Nguyen so what's your favourite foam config for the Ginkgo now?
The Iron spacebar sounds trash, the Ginkgo is so much nicer in comparison.
Case foam min.. no case foam kind of hollow. I don't think it needs anything else
no international shipping and no regional proxies :((((( this makes me so sad, I want them so much
We're set up to ship worldwide now!
Can you lube and film these switches and compare them to stock?
It’ll just sound deeper.
Oh, okay thanks!
how does someone love lubing
we need a weng switch
Wouldn’t even know what to make it lol I just use inks
These may actually be my new favorite switch not even joking lol doesn't remind me of how thin some jwk switches sound I'm still OK with lubing and I've doen it for so many years now lol sure sometimes it takes me longer as I go slow at times but thats all I just don't put a set time on doing it sometimes I will do a little at time sometimes not but I do enjoy doing at least 60-70 switches everytime I start a lubing session BTW I ended up buying there matchs latte decaf the ones that didn't pass QC they are all fine perfectly usable as they stated can be used as is the issue is the lube isn't consistent in those like the good passed qc ones and imo saving that much money is worth just buying the ones that didn't pass qc I mesn every other switch we buy from companies are this inconsistent so why not save money lol now the regular batch that passed qc is amazingly consistent
Can't get them outside of US :(
damn i'm sorry to hear i just realized that myself too
Pretty sure they will go up on the MM very soon.
We're now set up to ship worldwide!
As a father of 3. Fuck lubing lol.
Troof
Should I get this or jwk matcha switch?
This is way better. Jwk matcha is just regular jwk.
@@AndyVNguyen buy which should I get price wise and quality wise?
I like lubeing switches. Just chilling in a discord call with friends. But I HATE filming switches.
filming is the worst for sureeee
good🙂
Are the switches Cherry or Kailh?
Cherry style
@@AndyVNguyen Thanks for responding even after a month!
Does the long pole stem mitigate north facing interference?
Yes
What are your thoughts on the iron 180?
Hollow with brass. I also have a full review of another build. It’s already only my channel
i got asked a question would you rather spray lube or lube for 8 hours.... the answer i picked was pretty obvious
Why would it take 8 hours to lube switches?
Once lubed, are these just a modded jwk?
Diff manu so diff sound
@@AndyVNguyen oh, fair enough. To bad I wouldn’t rly know unless I’d be able to get my hands on them ;(
can't really go wrong with either. if you like these stock, then you can use these. if you plan on lubing, you can go with either
@@AndyVNguyen oh, thanks. I intend them to put them on a clacky board for that nice long pole sound
Bruh, not shipping to Australia. Kill me now.
We now ship worldwide!
@@invokeys copped, Ty for letting me know
But how does it perform lubed?
It could sound deeper?
"You'll be a hoarder"
*Looks at pile of keyboards on my desk*
Yeah I wish I woulda heard that advice sooner
do you know if they will come back in stock, or are they just a one-time drop?
They are restocking afaik
I wish they quickly do internation shipping
Now we do!
Nobody likes lubing switches…. Listen to me. I’m a switch.
SUSALERT
Are they linear or tactile?
linear
@@AndyVNguyen oh ty it just sounded pretty tactile in the sound test of the switch alone
Feker matcha or this?
they're completely different switches