Another dimension I forgot to mention: are you pushing your primary buttons with your thumb or multiple digits? If you’re pushing them with your thumb, you will struggle in games that require the precise HOLDING of buttons. This can be circumvented by rebinding key buttons to a shoulder button, thus playing with multiple digits again, but would that be comfortable for you?
I for sure appreciate the sounds of the button presses on the videos since it helps me hear the timings for strings better. Being a new player the thing that has been really hard has been to hit buttons quickly and not in sync with how the strikes are landing, so hearing the timings of your stick and button inputs is actually a big plus for this channel imo.
@@loops9508 thank you for the content! As far as any suggestions I’ll say character guides are always cool and I did find your channel thru the Leo guide; but I really value your ability to explain the more conceptual side of improvement, the underrated mental aspects, and game mechanics over other channels that cover this game. The whole switching back and forth between gameplay and notepad stuff is so sick and the big reason I love the videos💪🙏
I played with a controller for the first few days and got my first mixbox yesterday. It's really more fun and you get the moves much better. With the controller I always had problems with the direction buttons and my combos were very often incorrect. So I can only recommend that everyone try it and maybe get something cheap first and see how it feels. The changeover was very easy and quick for me personally. So try it and have fun😊
whenever I ask for advice online, like button layout or controller type, I get the same answer: "just use what is most comfortable for you". I'm so glad I didn't listen to that advice and tried out leverless controllers with different layouts, even though it was less intuitive
This is a nice way to approach the input talk. I'm not thrilled about ordering an expensive new controller just to play Tekken, but the traditional controller is so painful after 15 minutes. After hitting about 35 years old it's just really hard on the hands and wrists. But since the stickless arcade pad is a thing and there's decent
I wanna get a hit box but the only one that I’ve found that is natively compatible with the PS5 is a Razer hitbox for $300 compared to Hori fight stick mini for $60
Do you have health problems? I'm almost 39 and I can play on xbox series x controller for 5.6 hours without a minimum problem , pain , on my hands , one of the most comfortable pad in the history
@@GimpOGyou can get a haute42 pad and a mayflash adapter for under $100. I just got the s16 for example. It’s been a bit of a learning curve but it’s so much better on the hands. I used to get terrible pain with the ps5 controller pad.
I loved playing Melee and used a controller and overall I have only been a controller style "gameer" and not a keyboard afficionado. When I got interested in "traditional fighting games" I also wanted to learn a "different" controller with correct posture. First I tried a stick (didnt like it) and then I switched to a leverless controller. Learning just plain movement like jumping in different directions etc took me a while. Playing 2d plattformer like Celeste on keyboard helped me in getting a feel for movement. Using more than 5-6 face buttons is still an issue for me (on pad the 4 shoulder buttons are easily accesiible) Long story short, leverless encourages you to be precise and you will be rewarded with consistency. However, most leverless player I see on youtube/stream have really bad posture which is not good for your wrist: your wrist should not rest on the controller. It is like playing piano.
In the Tekken 7 days I learned about the Mixbox, and wondered if it might work for me. I tested the game and realized it would accept inputs from my keyboard and my stick at the same time! After that I started sitting my stick on my table, spreading my arms wide and playing with my left hand on WASD, and my right hand on the arcade buttons. I liked it a lot so I ended up getting a Mixbox, but wasn't happy with the exact model I purchased.
@@loops9508 I want one, but I can't find one I like that's compatible with the PS5. Looking for one with a thumb button for drive impact in SF6. And keys on both sides.
i picked up a leverless because in my brain having a button for each direction at my fingertips makes all the sense in the world. my first leverless for my first tekken game ever. having a blast.
I play stick for most fighting games, but in Tekken's case, because of the emphasis on 3D movement, I prefer to play on hitbox. It just feels easier on my hand to tap out directions instead of constantly adjusting and moving with a lever.
kuma has a motion input command throw i spent about half an hour trying to get consistently with what i've used for airdashers pretty much my entire life then i switched out the keyboard for a stick and got it immediately
Tried playing in arcade i cant even double forward properly 😅want to buy one tho been using controller or just playing tekken on my psp back in the day, Are stick durable? How long does it last before buying a new one?
@@sansrival933the double forward trouble is real & to be honest i'm not fully committed to moving away from keyboard- it's just a pita when you want to play with others on console locally as far as durability goes i'd like to say as long as they aren't monkey-gripped across the room daily modern sticks are durable enough that you could get away with buying just one for life. part of the draw is also that they're modular & parts are easily replaceable / switched out if a button or switch dies or you want to try something new or different i'm sure someone more well-versed in #stick_talk can offer better insight than i, a lowly keyboard player, often seen jumping when trying to dash or sidestep on stick
@@EXISTENTRILLEST sounds good to me,problem is sticks are not popular here, i mean they sell but im not sure about parts yet need to check some stores and ask online, switching replacing parts is more cheaper than buying a new controller i guess, yeah the jumping instead if sidestep is real, thanks
I always recommend all-button controllers to people completely new at fighting games, because I think they're just objectively the best, and they're going to be learning anyway. But if someone is already used to pad and want to switch, I am a little more apprehensive, because I don't think the advantage is so great that they'll be a completely new player. It can be really tough switching to a completely new control scheme, and that effort could have just been spent getting better with what they already had. I often times just tell them to stick to pad. While it has its advantages, button controllers are hardly the easy, "get good quick" solution some people think it is.
I switched from a pad to a hitbox because I was one of the nutheads who thought the controller could make me better. It didn't. In fact, I was so much worse on hitbox to the point where I wanted to sell it back within the first week. Its a really hard switch if you come from pad as it can take a while getting used to using your thumb for the up button, and even longer for getting clean inputs with your ring finger. However, the main reason I stuck with it was because of the comfort. I got so many callouses on my thumbs using the D-pad where with the hitbox I could game for longer as it felt like typing. Its been 3 years on it now and Im glad I stuck it out, but mainly due to the comfort part. It now feels natural doing the inputs that I actually suck going back to pad. Anyways, just to say, prioritise what works best for you in terms of execution and comfort, because I can assure you, 90% of the time you lose, its not because of the pad you are using.
Each has its strengths, but the basic controller still seems like the way to go for most people. A lot of the best players in the world use a controller, so I don’t think any one type is stronger than the other. I prefer the hitbox style because it’s most comfortable and less taxing on the fingers/wrists.
I find that kbd, wave dashing is a lot more effortless and ergonomic on the lever compared to leverless. My middle and ring-finger feel like they're constantly fighting each other on the leverless, and my whole hand starts to hurt after a couple of hours. On pad, both my thumbs hurt. Things like sidestepping, electrics and some precise inputs are of course quicker and easier on leverless and pad, but I would personally choose arcade stick for ergonomics.
What a great video and explanations. However you didn’t mention keyboards, I know mix box and hitbox would be considered the closest thing to it, but what are your thoughts on keyboards?
I bought 3 weeks before tekken 8 my first arcade stick (qanba drone 2) and i trained in the demo until it released nad currently my rank is assailant. I dunno if im better at pad but im enjoying myself more with the arcade stick. I still misinput sometimes so im thinking of modding my stick to make it feel better
Thank you for keeping it 100. Perfect take, yea box controllers have obvious advantages that’s why they exist but if you’re not used to it they still have a learning curve. It’s only worth it to switch if you’re in it for the long haul or to start out if you’re new.
I also recommend using a controller that you're able to/comfortable doing your inputs, I play on a keyboard and if you give me a pad I'll have a extremely hard time adapting to it, use what you think is best, I love playing on a arcade stick but have a hard time using one on Tekken bc of the 3D aspect of the game. Basically you are better of using something that doesn't make you feel like you are fighting against your own controller, if your controller feels natural to use then you probably should stick to it :)
excellent video! i mainly play on stick but im considering to use leverless once i start playing Tekken 8!! also for a future video i was wondering if you can do what 3D terminology you should know when approaching a 3D fighter like Tekken because since i come from anime/2D fighters im not exactly sure what terms to expect in 3D - hope this is something you can consider! ^^
Honestly not that many! High crush and low crush are attacks that evade highs or lows respectively. Beyond that you’ll hear people say side step right or left (written SSR and SSL) and may hear terms like homing or tracking to describe how attacks interact with the Z-axis.
I switched from controller to box due to hand pain and input issues. Despite growing up with pads, I adapted to box in a week. The hand pain is nonexistent and inputs are infinitely cleaner. I know some pro players use pad but I genuinely don’t understand how.
I’ve been focusing on traditional fighters for like 6 months and switched to box about a month ago. Never switching back to pad ever. My main background is smash bros which I’ve competed in for over 6 years. GameCube controllers on smash don’t hurt my hands at all and I won’t switch to box there, but any fighting game that isn’t bbtag, dbfz or mk hurts like hell on pad
I grew up on sticks with marvel v Capcom, tekken 3, and the simpsons but I recognize that I should probably snag a hitbox if I want to push myself a little more. Conflicted between one or the other and trying not to end up with both.
As someone whos learning stick, it is VERY difficult to be precise movement / input wise on the stick. Alot of times Ill want to hit the down input but move it 2 cm to the right too much and its a DF instead. So its like fighting the controller while fighting your opponent, but i love the right side buttons just not coordinated enough with my left Im going with a hitbox style, hopefully I can be more consistent movement wise with the simplicity of hitting a button
I have the same input problem trying to do db or df inputs it registered ether forward or just down so It throws out the wrong inputs on controller!!!!!!
Get some Battle Beaver D-Buttons and throw them and their sensor pad into your Dualsense. They're cheap and easy to install. It makes the D-Pad function like older D-Pads. All the directions are individual buttons instead of the single "disk" in the standard Dualsense D-Pad. You will have to learn to use them B/C they do work differently. Stick w/ it though, it's worth it. If you think getting a stick or Hitbox is going to help you, you're wrong. I have both, I also grew up playing on stick in the arcades. D-pad is just better, assuming you have a good D-Pad. B/C, again, the PS5's standard D-Pad is _trash_ .
I really wish there was an arcade stick that had a ps3 dpad with arcade style buttons. I know it’ll be the most comfortable for me, but no one would sell it.
Maybe a stupid question, is it normal to use 2 different controllers for different games? i can't get along with hitbox in Tekken, but i can in 2D games
I have both a hitbox and ps5 pro pad. Both feel good. Id say if anyone is coming from pc gaming then a hitbox might be a more natural transition than controller.
I tried Controller and stick, didn't like it so i played on my Keyboard. Later upgraded to a hitbox, more comfortable than Keyboard. I would say that stick is the hardest to use and controller hurts your hands the most. Keyboard was pretty good, but a few fighting games wont let you bind the keys you want.
I stick main Street Fighter because I'm an old man trying to relive my arcade childhood. But Tekken has been completely fine on pad. Don't think I'll be switching to anything else for now.
Keyboard player since MSDOS times, did not have a console, ordered leverless as the muscle memory is already there. Does keyboard process inputs the same way as these leverless? As I was researching, depending on the controller there's different firmware and SOCD settings. Something that never came to mind keyboard wise. Strong agree on difficulty with smooth circular motions, always been a weakness of mine in keyboard, charging and shoto characters are a breeze tho.
I dont want to use a pad for Tekken, because not only does the d-pad give me thumb blisters, but also because the controller has a higher chance of breaking when playing fighting games. It's also harder to do inputs unless ur clawing it, but im not use to a fight stick (didnt grow up in the arcade era)so if i do pick one up it would be a bit of learning curve (which i dont mind). Hitbox also seems kinda cheap,and im trying to win with "honour". Could you recommend me a decently priced fight stick for a complete beginner like myself?
As respectfully as I can say this, notions of honor will lead to a pretty nasty place. I’ve seen it lead to players talking down and judging the actions of others who are fully following the rules and trying to enjoy the game as you are. There are no moral judgements until people are literally for real cheating. As for stick recommendations, it will come down to compatability and price range. There’s no stick model that will be easier to use than the next imo, tho there are modifications like new buttons or stick spring tension that you can make to suit your comfort.
@@loops9508 so are hitboxes cheating or not? I get confused when people talk about them, because they admit it is cheating, and yet people continue to use and accept them. I know for a fact Hitboxes are the easier controller because i use to play fighting games on PC, and inputting commands on a keyboard were so much easier and more intuitive to use, that i would definitely not be able to do the same commands on a controller without extensive practice. I think i just want a stick more to experience it for myself and continue the original tradition of fighting games, no matter how steep the learning curve will be. I want something that is decent to use for like 200$ or under, do you have any recommendations that come to mind?
When I describe Hitbox as cheating I'm being hyperbolic. I do think there are distinct advantages, but it is not so much stronger than a regular stick. And again, they exist because the controller that comes bundled with our consoles are capable of it. It's good, but it's good out of necessity. As for current controller recommendations, I honestly haven't bought a new one in about 2-3 years. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving you a recommendation with my current knowledge, so you may have to look around. Looks like Sajam just put out a video on leverless controllers, and I tend to like NihongoGamer for my stick reviews.
Imo optical keyboards will always be best,high end keyboards have much higher response speeds and rebound speed,also having more buttons to map and the ability to find the best layout for the size of your hand is great,idk if console fighting games accept keyboards but i think you are cheating yourself buying anything other than a keyboard especially since you can use it as a keyboard outside of gaming
I don’t get why more people don’t use keyboard. I tried them all and think keyboard is the most optimal I mean infinite binds, fastest actuation, rapid trigger technology(Wooting keyboard)
I’ve got a question, what would you recommend to someone starting with a near blank slate? I’ve been playing fighting games since I was a kid but never more than something to play while I’m drinking with my friends. I’d like to start getting more serious; specifically with Tekken (Mainly played MK in the past). I’m on Xbox controller atm and I have a lot of trouble with simultaneous inputs (1+2) for example, and with back, forward, button combos.
Tekken 8 is hard as hell, i learned all the combo's for Lars n went online to played online but i forgot to learn how to defend 😂😂, now i bought a hitbox just to embarrassing myself more 😂
@@loops9508 That will be a disappointment for my three year old niece (she was hoping to become a top tier Tekken player on a box with just one button).
I switched from a pad to a hitbox because I was one of the nutheads who thought the controller could make me better. It didn't. In fact, I was so much worse on hitbox to the point where I wanted to sell it back within the first week. Its a really hard switch if you come from pad as it can take a while getting used to using your thumb for the up button, and even longer for getting clean inputs with your ring finger. However, the main reason I stuck with it was because of the comfort. I got so many callouses on my thumbs using the D-pad where with the hitbox I could game for longer as it felt like typing. Its been 3 years on it now and Im glad I stuck it out, but mainly due to the comfort part. It now feels natural doing the inputs that I actually suck going back to pad. Anyways, just to say, prioritise what works best for you in terms of execution and comfort, because I can assure you, 90% of the time you lose, its not because of the pad you are using.
Another dimension I forgot to mention: are you pushing your primary buttons with your thumb or multiple digits? If you’re pushing them with your thumb, you will struggle in games that require the precise HOLDING of buttons. This can be circumvented by rebinding key buttons to a shoulder button, thus playing with multiple digits again, but would that be comfortable for you?
Super underrated channel. Can’t believe I only just found it.
Appreciate you, welcome in :)
I like your titles to videos. No unnecessary fluff
I for sure appreciate the sounds of the button presses on the videos since it helps me hear the timings for strings better. Being a new player the thing that has been really hard has been to hit buttons quickly and not in sync with how the strikes are landing, so hearing the timings of your stick and button inputs is actually a big plus for this channel imo.
Yeah I agree, the timing for inputting strings can be a little strange at first. Thanks for your support!
@@loops9508 thank you for the content! As far as any suggestions I’ll say character guides are always cool and I did find your channel thru the Leo guide; but I really value your ability to explain the more conceptual side of improvement, the underrated mental aspects, and game mechanics over other channels that cover this game. The whole switching back and forth between gameplay and notepad stuff is so sick and the big reason I love the videos💪🙏
Personally prefer the sound of the arcade stick clicks in the vids
probably the best/well spoken video on input methods i have seen
I played with a controller for the first few days and got my first mixbox yesterday. It's really more fun and you get the moves much better. With the controller I always had problems with the direction buttons and my combos were very often incorrect. So I can only recommend that everyone try it and maybe get something cheap first and see how it feels. The changeover was very easy and quick for me personally. So try it and have fun😊
whenever I ask for advice online, like button layout or controller type, I get the same answer: "just use what is most comfortable for you". I'm so glad I didn't listen to that advice and tried out leverless controllers with different layouts, even though it was less intuitive
This is a nice way to approach the input talk. I'm not thrilled about ordering an expensive new controller just to play Tekken, but the traditional controller is so painful after 15 minutes. After hitting about 35 years old it's just really hard on the hands and wrists.
But since the stickless arcade pad is a thing and there's decent
I wanna get a hit box but the only one that I’ve found that is natively compatible with the PS5 is a Razer hitbox for $300 compared to Hori fight stick mini for $60
Do you have health problems? I'm almost 39 and I can play on xbox series x controller for 5.6 hours without a minimum problem , pain , on my hands , one of the most comfortable pad in the history
@@GimpOGyou can get a haute42 pad and a mayflash adapter for under $100. I just got the s16 for example. It’s been a bit of a learning curve but it’s so much better on the hands. I used to get terrible pain with the ps5 controller pad.
I loved playing Melee and used a controller and overall I have only been a controller style "gameer" and not a keyboard afficionado. When I got interested in "traditional fighting games" I also wanted to learn a "different" controller with correct posture. First I tried a stick (didnt like it) and then I switched to a leverless controller. Learning just plain movement like jumping in different directions etc took me a while. Playing 2d plattformer like Celeste on keyboard helped me in getting a feel for movement. Using more than 5-6 face buttons is still an issue for me (on pad the 4 shoulder buttons are easily accesiible) Long story short, leverless encourages you to be precise and you will be rewarded with consistency. However, most leverless player I see on youtube/stream have really bad posture which is not good for your wrist: your wrist should not rest on the controller. It is like playing piano.
I switched from ps3 pad to stick over 10 years ago just to keep my thumb skin from falling off, and now im just used to it
I play SF6 on controller but I think I like stick more on Tekken. Ordered a Snackbox mini and I'm excited to try it. Cool video!
keyboard, as always, gets no love. If you game on PC, and already comfortable gaming on a keyboard, use it first before investing in a hitbox.
i really like WASD and insert, home, del, end keys on a keyboard.
In the Tekken 7 days I learned about the Mixbox, and wondered if it might work for me. I tested the game and realized it would accept inputs from my keyboard and my stick at the same time! After that I started sitting my stick on my table, spreading my arms wide and playing with my left hand on WASD, and my right hand on the arcade buttons. I liked it a lot so I ended up getting a Mixbox, but wasn't happy with the exact model I purchased.
@@loops9508 I want one, but I can't find one I like that's compatible with the PS5. Looking for one with a thumb button for drive impact in SF6. And keys on both sides.
i picked up a leverless because in my brain having a button for each direction at my fingertips makes all the sense in the world. my first leverless for my first tekken game ever. having a blast.
I play stick for most fighting games, but in Tekken's case, because of the emphasis on 3D movement, I prefer to play on hitbox. It just feels easier on my hand to tap out directions instead of constantly adjusting and moving with a lever.
kuma has a motion input command throw i spent about half an hour trying to get consistently with what i've used for airdashers pretty much my entire life
then i switched out the keyboard for a stick and got it immediately
Tried playing in arcade i cant even double forward properly 😅want to buy one tho been using controller or just playing tekken on my psp back in the day, Are stick durable? How long does it last before buying a new one?
@@sansrival933the double forward trouble is real & to be honest i'm not fully committed to moving away from keyboard- it's just a pita when you want to play with others on console locally
as far as durability goes i'd like to say as long as they aren't monkey-gripped across the room daily modern sticks are durable enough that you could get away with buying just one for life. part of the draw is also that they're modular & parts are easily replaceable / switched out if a button or switch dies or you want to try something new or different
i'm sure someone more well-versed in #stick_talk can offer better insight than i, a lowly keyboard player, often seen jumping when trying to dash or sidestep on stick
@@EXISTENTRILLEST sounds good to me,problem is sticks are not popular here, i mean they sell but im not sure about parts yet need to check some stores and ask online, switching replacing parts is more cheaper than buying a new controller i guess, yeah the jumping instead if sidestep is real, thanks
I always recommend all-button controllers to people completely new at fighting games, because I think they're just objectively the best, and they're going to be learning anyway. But if someone is already used to pad and want to switch, I am a little more apprehensive, because I don't think the advantage is so great that they'll be a completely new player. It can be really tough switching to a completely new control scheme, and that effort could have just been spent getting better with what they already had. I often times just tell them to stick to pad. While it has its advantages, button controllers are hardly the easy, "get good quick" solution some people think it is.
I switched from a pad to a hitbox because I was one of the nutheads who thought the controller could make me better. It didn't. In fact, I was so much worse on hitbox to the point where I wanted to sell it back within the first week. Its a really hard switch if you come from pad as it can take a while getting used to using your thumb for the up button, and even longer for getting clean inputs with your ring finger. However, the main reason I stuck with it was because of the comfort. I got so many callouses on my thumbs using the D-pad where with the hitbox I could game for longer as it felt like typing. Its been 3 years on it now and Im glad I stuck it out, but mainly due to the comfort part. It now feels natural doing the inputs that I actually suck going back to pad. Anyways, just to say, prioritise what works best for you in terms of execution and comfort, because I can assure you, 90% of the time you lose, its not because of the pad you are using.
Each has its strengths, but the basic controller still seems like the way to go for most people. A lot of the best players in the world use a controller, so I don’t think any one type is stronger than the other. I prefer the hitbox style because it’s most comfortable and less taxing on the fingers/wrists.
I find that kbd, wave dashing is a lot more effortless and ergonomic on the lever compared to leverless. My middle and ring-finger feel like they're constantly fighting each other on the leverless, and my whole hand starts to hurt after a couple of hours. On pad, both my thumbs hurt. Things like sidestepping, electrics and some precise inputs are of course quicker and easier on leverless and pad, but I would personally choose arcade stick for ergonomics.
dude guides/character guide from you would be outstanding! jin or drago guide soon!
I know what you meant and I appreciate the sentiment, but I initially read this as "dude guides" which got a giggle out of me.
What a great video and explanations. However you didn’t mention keyboards, I know mix box and hitbox would be considered the closest thing to it, but what are your thoughts on keyboards?
Everything I said about SOCD enabling controllers, especially the mixbox, pertains to keyboard as well. My fault not including it.
I bought 3 weeks before tekken 8 my first arcade stick (qanba drone 2) and i trained in the demo until it released nad currently my rank is assailant. I dunno if im better at pad but im enjoying myself more with the arcade stick. I still misinput sometimes so im thinking of modding my stick to make it feel better
Thank you for keeping it 100. Perfect take, yea box controllers have obvious advantages that’s why they exist but if you’re not used to it they still have a learning curve. It’s only worth it to switch if you’re in it for the long haul or to start out if you’re new.
I also recommend using a controller that you're able to/comfortable doing your inputs, I play on a keyboard and if you give me a pad I'll have a extremely hard time adapting to it, use what you think is best, I love playing on a arcade stick but have a hard time using one on Tekken bc of the 3D aspect of the game. Basically you are better of using something that doesn't make you feel like you are fighting against your own controller, if your controller feels natural to use then you probably should stick to it :)
Love your videos, keep doing what you doing
I'm surprised you didn't mention keyboards at all, as I'm curious how they fit into the socd discussion
Anything I said about a hitbox or mixbox is also true of a keyboard, as they’re functionally identical.
excellent video! i mainly play on stick but im considering to use leverless once i start playing Tekken 8!!
also for a future video i was wondering if you can do what 3D terminology you should know when approaching a 3D fighter like Tekken because since i come from anime/2D fighters im not exactly sure what terms to expect in 3D - hope this is something you can consider! ^^
Honestly not that many! High crush and low crush are attacks that evade highs or lows respectively. Beyond that you’ll hear people say side step right or left (written SSR and SSL) and may hear terms like homing or tracking to describe how attacks interact with the Z-axis.
I switched from controller to box due to hand pain and input issues. Despite growing up with pads, I adapted to box in a week. The hand pain is nonexistent and inputs are infinitely cleaner. I know some pro players use pad but I genuinely don’t understand how.
I’ve been focusing on traditional fighters for like 6 months and switched to box about a month ago. Never switching back to pad ever. My main background is smash bros which I’ve competed in for over 6 years. GameCube controllers on smash don’t hurt my hands at all and I won’t switch to box there, but any fighting game that isn’t bbtag, dbfz or mk hurts like hell on pad
I grew up on sticks with marvel v Capcom, tekken 3, and the simpsons but I recognize that I should probably snag a hitbox if I want to push myself a little more. Conflicted between one or the other and trying not to end up with both.
As someone whos learning stick, it is VERY difficult to be precise movement / input wise on the stick. Alot of times Ill want to hit the down input but move it 2 cm to the right too much and its a DF instead. So its like fighting the controller while fighting your opponent, but i love the right side buttons just not coordinated enough with my left
Im going with a hitbox style, hopefully I can be more consistent movement wise with the simplicity of hitting a button
I have the same input problem trying to do db or df inputs it registered ether forward or just down so It throws out the wrong inputs on controller!!!!!!
I felt the hit box felt more natural
Get some Battle Beaver D-Buttons and throw them and their sensor pad into your Dualsense. They're cheap and easy to install. It makes the D-Pad function like older D-Pads. All the directions are individual buttons instead of the single "disk" in the standard Dualsense D-Pad. You will have to learn to use them B/C they do work differently. Stick w/ it though, it's worth it. If you think getting a stick or Hitbox is going to help you, you're wrong. I have both, I also grew up playing on stick in the arcades. D-pad is just better, assuming you have a good D-Pad. B/C, again, the PS5's standard D-Pad is _trash_ .
I really wish there was an arcade stick that had a ps3 dpad with arcade style buttons. I know it’ll be the most comfortable for me, but no one would sell it.
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@@loops9508 yeah I had my eye on that. Unfortunately it is unavailable and the site is privated.
@@loops9508 yeah I had my eye on that, but the site has been privated.
Maybe a stupid question, is it normal to use 2 different controllers for different games? i can't get along with hitbox in Tekken, but i can in 2D games
It’s definitely not unheard of!
Switched from hitbox to stick. P2 side was just too atrocious for me and i wasnt making progress with my ring finger speed
I’ve used mixbox for like 4 years and it’s amazing but getting really fast wavedashing and kbding is hard af
I have both a hitbox and ps5 pro pad. Both feel good. Id say if anyone is coming from pc gaming then a hitbox might be a more natural transition than controller.
Using my openframe1, finally getting used to it. Been labbing for a few hours.
I tried Controller and stick, didn't like it so i played on my Keyboard. Later upgraded to a hitbox, more comfortable than Keyboard.
I would say that stick is the hardest to use and controller hurts your hands the most.
Keyboard was pretty good, but a few fighting games wont let you bind the keys you want.
Mom get up ! Loops posted a new video!
I stick main Street Fighter because I'm an old man trying to relive my arcade childhood.
But Tekken has been completely fine on pad. Don't think I'll be switching to anything else for now.
Keyboard player since MSDOS times, did not have a console, ordered leverless as the muscle memory is already there. Does keyboard process inputs the same way as these leverless? As I was researching, depending on the controller there's different firmware and SOCD settings. Something that never came to mind keyboard wise. Strong agree on difficulty with smooth circular motions, always been a weakness of mine in keyboard, charging and shoto characters are a breeze tho.
I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL SO MUCH
also hearing your buttons is so helpful for getting timing down keep that
I play on keyboard. I feel hitbox will be easier for me. Does hitbox input are better and faster???
It'll be about the same. Just up to whether you prefer keys or arcade buttons.
Sanwa stick until death
I dont want to use a pad for Tekken, because not only does the d-pad give me thumb blisters, but also because the controller has a higher chance of breaking when playing fighting games. It's also harder to do inputs unless ur clawing it, but im not use to a fight stick (didnt grow up in the arcade era)so if i do pick one up it would be a bit of learning curve (which i dont mind). Hitbox also seems kinda cheap,and im trying to win with "honour". Could you recommend me a decently priced fight stick for a complete beginner like myself?
As respectfully as I can say this, notions of honor will lead to a pretty nasty place. I’ve seen it lead to players talking down and judging the actions of others who are fully following the rules and trying to enjoy the game as you are. There are no moral judgements until people are literally for real cheating.
As for stick recommendations, it will come down to compatability and price range. There’s no stick model that will be easier to use than the next imo, tho there are modifications like new buttons or stick spring tension that you can make to suit your comfort.
@@loops9508 so are hitboxes cheating or not? I get confused when people talk about them, because they admit it is cheating, and yet people continue to use and accept them. I know for a fact Hitboxes are the easier controller because i use to play fighting games on PC, and inputting commands on a keyboard were so much easier and more intuitive to use, that i would definitely not be able to do the same commands on a controller without extensive practice. I think i just want a stick more to experience it for myself and continue the original tradition of fighting games, no matter how steep the learning curve will be. I want something that is decent to use for like 200$ or under, do you have any recommendations that come to mind?
When I describe Hitbox as cheating I'm being hyperbolic. I do think there are distinct advantages, but it is not so much stronger than a regular stick. And again, they exist because the controller that comes bundled with our consoles are capable of it. It's good, but it's good out of necessity.
As for current controller recommendations, I honestly haven't bought a new one in about 2-3 years. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving you a recommendation with my current knowledge, so you may have to look around. Looks like Sajam just put out a video on leverless controllers, and I tend to like NihongoGamer for my stick reviews.
Imo optical keyboards will always be best,high end keyboards have much higher response speeds and rebound speed,also having more buttons to map and the ability to find the best layout for the size of your hand is great,idk if console fighting games accept keyboards but i think you are cheating yourself buying anything other than a keyboard especially since you can use it as a keyboard outside of gaming
I don’t get why more people don’t use keyboard. I tried them all and think keyboard is the most optimal I mean infinite binds, fastest actuation, rapid trigger technology(Wooting keyboard)
It’s just weird. It’s good but it doesn’t feel right.
I’ve got a question, what would you recommend to someone starting with a near blank slate? I’ve been playing fighting games since I was a kid but never more than something to play while I’m drinking with my friends. I’d like to start getting more serious; specifically with Tekken (Mainly played MK in the past). I’m on Xbox controller atm and I have a lot of trouble with simultaneous inputs (1+2) for example, and with back, forward, button combos.
Tekken 8 is hard as hell, i learned all the combo's for Lars n went online to played online but i forgot to learn how to defend 😂😂, now i bought a hitbox just to embarrassing myself more 😂
Finding a modern leverless / hitbox that supports ps5 and ships worldwide is impossible
Awesome vid!
Tell u what u missed on a pad if u have back paddles u can map them to up down left right , hitbox controller 😉
Очень крутое и полезное видео. Добавил в избранное.
Hitbox best 💐💐💜
How come you didn’t talked about keyboard?
You can file keyboard under “SOCD Enabling” controllers, my fault for not including it.
it's a Hitbox with more buttons if you think about it
just preference
I play best with macro’s, would that be considered cheating?
Depends on the macro. If you can bind it in game it’s not cheating. If you’re doing one button EWGF that is cheating.
@@loops9508
That will be a disappointment for my three year old niece (she was hoping to become a top tier Tekken player on a box with just one button).
@@MightyRudeJust keep pressing 2 with Victor.
One word practice practice practice and practice
Didn’t learn anything new watching this vid, but thanks for uploading.
holyshit man that think coast 400+ dollar why?
impossible to do electrics on PS5 riggid d-pad tho, so for electric chars PS5 controller is shit
I can do electrics on ps5 pad. Just more consistently on hori pad.
i bought a stick cuz i fell in love with tekken 8. i do hate getting air juggled for half my life
I switched from a pad to a hitbox because I was one of the nutheads who thought the controller could make me better. It didn't. In fact, I was so much worse on hitbox to the point where I wanted to sell it back within the first week. Its a really hard switch if you come from pad as it can take a while getting used to using your thumb for the up button, and even longer for getting clean inputs with your ring finger. However, the main reason I stuck with it was because of the comfort. I got so many callouses on my thumbs using the D-pad where with the hitbox I could game for longer as it felt like typing. Its been 3 years on it now and Im glad I stuck it out, but mainly due to the comfort part. It now feels natural doing the inputs that I actually suck going back to pad. Anyways, just to say, prioritise what works best for you in terms of execution and comfort, because I can assure you, 90% of the time you lose, its not because of the pad you are using.