So literally this video plus telling me not to try to have passive arms on the downswing have saved my game. Have seen hundreds of videos and taken lessons for years and you guys are the best. Huge huge thanks!!!
Great video...I spent 25 years trying to maintain the right to keep a flat left and vice versa.. That with axis tilt? Oh Lord..my short game was even screaming bad. I still kept it up.. I could even see in Tiger's Golf My Way an overhead of his bent as hail left wrist in the follow through and it never occurred to me. Thank you for the confirmation. Actually practicing it with getting more forward with less tilt REALLY helps undo the years of bad advice of holding lag. Thanks again for everything.
Great video! I was told to have a flat lead wrist at the top and to add flexion at the start of the downswing. I found it hard to do this consistently and have a square club face at impact. There's a lot of instruction out there that makes the swing more complicated than it should be.
Great explanation of what the wrists do in the golf swing. I had challenges with an early release of my wrist, right around hip height. My swing thought to correct that was to hold the right wrist back all the way through the downswing into my follow through. When filmed, the right wrist did not appear to stay cocked but did as you described.
Praise galore. My main problem is still outside in swing, watching vids of my swing I detect lack of right wrist extension (tray holding) and I’m never sure if all of my idiosyncrasies are you he cause of my swing path. I start hard from the top which doesn’t allow my body to keep up which causes my chicken wing. Don’t slice a lot but do lose too much distance for not solid contact. Taking lessons late in life is tough trying to reteach a retired body new paths is fun. Watching tons of vids trying to determine the correct path, thought the A swing was pretty good then latched onto Mike Malaska vids. Bottom line use gears guy for proof positive! Long winded but that’s it.
Another great video! Thank you for mentioning what the right arm bone (ulna) does. I would love to see the gears video and data. Keep up the good work 👍
Super vid, gents! Can you please explain whether body motion or muscle action in the fore arms creates the motion itself? You have engage at first, then get more passive at the bottom!? Or does body motion create the two angles, top and bottom?
Hi guys. Please please can you do the "detailed" wrist action video you alluded to. There isn't much I disagree with you guys about but this might be one thing. I think it is very poorly understood, even by experts. I did the waiter's tray thing for many years and did have success with it. The main problem is that changes occur in the swing sometime before you intend them to: holding the tray at the top caused me to whip the club head inside too early at first shaft parallel and therefore cross the line at the top etc etc. A couple of other points. I think golfers do need to consciously think about doing the lead wrist screw down action through impact (+/- with a rotating the upside down plate with the (palm down) trail wrist through impact). This or vice versa goes hand n hand (chicken vs egg) with getting the shoulders open at impact and therefore getting shaft lean which all great ball strikers have. It has to be a conscious thought because by the last shaft parallel position, the clubhead has developed so much momentum that the "natural" action is for the club head to catch up with the hands with the resultant flipping action. Physics studies have calculated that this momentum is large. Flipping is a weak action because the golfer has by definition lost "control" of the club head through impact. In conclusion, I think that holding the trail wrist set combined with a screw down type action through impact is a positive thought to have for strong and accurate golf strikes..Trail wrist set vs. screw down is a topic for another day as the left and right wrist actions are not simple mirror images of each other due to the left arm vs shaft hinge point not being at the junction of left and right wrist
You touched on a very important point... the wrists do not mirror each other. That is difficult to wrap your head around at anything but full speed. Perhaps even more important than that... what you do at with the wrists DO NOT translate to the club head... not in real time, and sometimes not at all. Another extremely difficult fact to wrap the head around. The shaft that connects the hands and head is constantly bending and flexing and not doing it at a 1:1 ratio at all. Just looking at the wrists without looking at the corresponding head and shaft movements is incomplete. It's important, but it's incomplete because at some point in the swing the golfer (especially the better players) start responding to the club face. And I have yet to see any scientific studies or research or attempts to look at where the face is pointing relative to what the golfer is doing. And that's a pretty big deal wouldn't you say?
Yes probably but like you I don't know too much about it. A video on what GEARS tells us about elite player wrist movement (esp lead wrist flexion/extension and ulnar/radial) would be great?
Some highly ranked pro's are saying the wrist hinge up and diwn with no mentionof the right falling back on itself at the top. Are they mistaken or can we do it either way? Pls explain. So mixed up i don't know what to do and my game reflects my confusion about this aspect of the game tks very much fir your time.
You guys talked about following this video up with a gears video of those angles at impact sometime in the future. Did that ever happen? I'm struggling with a flip and every article and UA-cam teacher out there says the right wrist needs to be bent back at impact. Am I missing something here?
We've never seen a player flip it at impact who didn't have to. Meaning there is something going on with the face or arms much earlier in the downswing that requires you to dump those angles and flip at near impact. Fixing the cause is what you'll want to focus on not trying to change your wrist angles at impact... that will never last when you're out there on the course because the cause would still be there and always win that battle.
Athletic Motion Golf I agree with that. I have a hip/shoulder stall issue that I believe causes mine. But if I try to continue to keep the lower half moving through impact and my right wrist keeps firing through impact to, I can hit some nasty shanks. That's why I was curious if the pros have a backwards bend at impact.
Great stuff as always! Is there such a thing as a drive and hold release. Recently I was reading Kelvin Miyahira's articles and he recommends a "drive and hold release". It is essentially at impact lead forearm supination, flexion of the left wrist, and ulnar deviation. For the right it would be right forearm pronation, right wrist extension, and ulnar deviation. What are your thoughts on his research and what he considers an ideal release?
How do you gentlemen feel about putting some pressure on the left thumb by the heel of the right hand and pushing the handle out for almost the entire swing, but especially during the backswing? It gives a great wrist cock, wider swing-arc, a fairly square clubhead at the top and seems to eliminate some hand manipulation of the face through impact. Thanks for your input.
Hi, thanks for the vid. Just wondering would holding that wrist angle for a fraction too long lead to an open club face at contact? I had a round of straight blocks/pushes last week and had been working on holding that angle a bit longer beforehand. Thanks
Can you explain the wrist angles and how that affects the launch angle? For example, I've got a 21-degree launch angle on my 6iron, ball speed of 121, spin at 5700 and carry distance of 171 yards. Trackman data shows an avg tour pro launches their 6 iron at 14.1 degrees. In looking online, a few teaching pros suggest it could be the wrist angle at the top. I use Wilson V6 Tour irons with S300 shaft and the loft on my 6 iron is 31 degrees.
Great video again guys, could you do one on how the club face is squared at impact, I have been lately taught not to try and square the face but to relax the wrists and it will occur naturally all things being equal! Any thoughts on this?? Regards and thanks
Great video....I would ask that you tell us what percent of the wrist break have you given up at the moment of impact. Clearly, the right wrist would not be completely straight at impact. I would assume there is still some amount of bend backwards still present in the right wrist at impact. If your left wrist is straight at impact, the right wrist has to be bent back to some degree. Can you be specific as to the amount of bend that is likely still left in the right wrist at impact? Thank you much.
It varies from golfer to golfer and has a lot to do with their grip at setup. But one thing that is interesting is that the left and right wrist do not bend and flex at the same rate. Just because the left wrist is at a certain angle doesn't mean the right is at the mirrored angle... it's a complex subject for sure.
Hi Shaun and Mike, I’m loving these videos. You guys do such a great job and I feel like I can really trust your content. I would like to see a video on the left hand/wrist in the release and follow through. I’ve taken the concept of keeping the face square to reduce ROC to the extreme and feel it might be the cause of my hanging back. Also I’ve taken the concept of rotation and overdone it which I think might be the cause of my inability to maintain lag - I think my rotation is causing the cast, not pushing with the right. I get forward shaft lean at impact through continuing to rotate my body hard. I know I can get more distance from my body.
he guys, thanks for the great content. would it be possible that you make a video about the way the wrists work in the release to impact. in this video you covered the right wrist, but it would be really interesting how left and right wrist work together in a Tour player release. Thanks
hey great content guys .. can you do a video on shot shaping .. i naturally fade the ball and try not to fade it but to draw it a bit with my driver and fairway metals for distance .. is it a better idea to stick to one shape for consistancy in the long run so that you have a one way miss or is it better to have both shapes in the bag and having two way miss on bad days ... please youre advise is much needed ..
No question one is better. Getting really good at one shape is the best way to spend the time you have to practice. Look at it this way... a two-way miss doubles your dispersion pattern.
When I record my swing from the side view, I feel like my right wrist is in the correct position however my club face is very closed (Dustin Johnson closed) at the top. Why does my club-face get so closed?
Pretty commone, Michael... it has to do with how you have the club in you hands at setup and how the wrists are rotated to have the club look "normal" down there behind the ball. What does it look like from down the line when the club is parallel to the ground in the takeaway?
Athletic Motion Golf I try to keep the club face pointing towards the ground as long as possible in my takeaway. Had (and still have to a degree) a tendency to roll the club face open on the takeaway.
So from impact to low point you are saying the right wrist does not stay bent. It releases. Is that correct? From what I see in almost every player on tour the right wrist does stay bent post impact. In one of your videos using Gears you show the shaft lean has increased 12 percent post impact. Can you please clarify as this is confusing. Would appreciate a response. Thank you.
Yes, it releases. No player who’s good enough to play on TV holds that angle or increases it. That doesn’t mean the angle is completely gone at impact, but it is QUICKLY be lost on the way to impacts d beyond. We have never shown a 12% increase at impact because that’s not what happens 😉. Rewatch that video and I bet you might hear it differently 🤓
Thank you for this, holding my right wrist off and turning my body hard was how I always thought I'd find the "consistency", but knowing that I need to release the club and let my arms roll over (not to be confused with flip) is a big help. I really need a lesson haha, where are you guys based out of? Do online lessons?
Hey guys, big fan of your videos and breakdown. I would LOVE a video or videos expanding on the right or trail wrist. I have been playing close to 3 years and the one big flaw in my swing is I don't hold that wrist angle. It dies like you said, it starts to release early. I've been trying to fix it. I try holding it and I know that's not what your supposed to do, but I struggle with that. Could you please do more videos on Wrist angle. Also do you guys review swings? If so how do I get mine looked at? Thanks guys
Thanks a ton for watching, Aaron! That gives a lot of golfers trouble, and your instincts are correct... it's not a fix you can do with holding the angles in the wrist, everything that leads up to that point is going to determine what those wrists do or look like at impact. Yes, we have to options for swing reviews... the first one is free, and is first come first serve. The line is long right now, but we do plan to get everyone's swing reiewed. If you need something done quickly, we have a paid option ($50) that is working on a 48 hour turn around time right now. Either way, send us a face on and down the line swings to swing@athleticmotiongolf.com and also tell us a little about your game... ball flight... big misses, etc.
Athletic Motion Golf, a swing review would be awesome. I would go for the paid opt since that will be quicker and I know your backed up. How do I do that?
Great... just send your swings to swings@athleticmotiongolf and just mention in the email that you are doing the paid option. You can pay through PayPal at athleticmotiongolf@gmail.com Thanks, Aaron, we look forward to getting your swings.
Athletic Motion Golf I tried sending my swing. Was it received? I got a message back say it was undelivered. Is the address correct? I sent it to both emails. Let me know if you receive it so I can pay for the quicker evaluation
I've held that position and now I'm dealing with severe wrist elbow pain for the last 6 months. Wrong concept and understanding will injure the body! Shawn what did you do with your injury?
While it is true that the amount of right wrist extension at impact is less than at the top of the swing,the right wrist MUST be in extension at impact in order to create forward shaft lean.
This might be a dumb question, the wrist shouldn’t be back to neutral at impact correct? Or else there is no shaft lean. I was able to hit good shot with right wrist still bend around 45 degree because of the body rotation. As your left shoulder is opening up, don’t u need some bend in the right wrist to square up the face? The video explanation on impact almost sound like you want your body angles to same at setup. I end up “scooping” the ball. Sorry for getting too nerd out on this.
The feel part of this is difficult to comment on because we all have such a different description of what we feel like is happening, but the numbers we've seen for the wrist just don't show angles being held. They are constantly moving and changing. The when, like with the rest of the swing, is the big deal.
Athletic Motion Golf per your video, you mentioned the wrist and most angles are hold until about the right hip? Then everything else just gets unwind? How can I practice that timing?
I used to hold from top to finish (left hand lag too) and I wondered why I couldn't stop overly dipping...it was my subconscious mind saying "you'll NEVER get there from there you dummy!"...oh and I was inside and behind me too..I have no idea how I EVER shot in the 70s (very rarely).
Wait... You mean applying pressure to the left thumb by the right hand in an effort to have a flat left wrist all the way through the swing is the kiss of death??? TGM nerds would disagree! And btw, it ruined my game, my attitude, my desire to teach and I left the business. Worst thing that ever happened to me was taking lessons from a TGM instructor for 6 years. I could never do it. I thought it was me and that I couldn't play. I should have, and finally did, listen to de la Torre, Flick, Toski, et al, as I learned when I was a kid. Now I'm back to them, playing better than I have in years and considering teaching again. Golf is fun.
This is an instruction based channel and we use all sorts tech when we teach and do our videos. The info in the videos we don't feature GEARS is still based on real data. Some guys tell us we use too much GEARS and some say to little... we're trying to have a balanced offense😊
Your right about that, a whole lot of talking again in your video with not much being said! Like old women at the breakfast table, I lost interest in the topic after the first two minutes.
Go over to Milo Lines and he will tell you exactly the opposite of what you have said - no wonder the average player has not improved with all the conflicting advice on UA-cam. Nothing beats a face to face lesson with a pro in my view.
Not really an apples to apples comparison lumping in measured data with non-measured advice. If you start with sources that take the time to measure what great players do, as well as what the average player does, you'll find less conflicting info.
WAY way Too much talk and not enough demonstration and of course the whole planet can talk a good swing and you notice neither of these two had the courage to hit a ball.
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So literally this video plus telling me not to try to have passive arms on the downswing have saved my game. Have seen hundreds of videos and taken lessons for years and you guys are the best. Huge huge thanks!!!
Great video...I spent 25 years trying to maintain the right to keep a flat left and vice versa.. That with axis tilt? Oh Lord..my short game was even screaming bad. I still kept it up.. I could even see in Tiger's Golf My Way an overhead of his bent as hail left wrist in the follow through and it never occurred to me. Thank you for the confirmation. Actually practicing it with getting more forward with less tilt REALLY helps undo the years of bad advice of holding lag. Thanks again for everything.
Great video! I was told to have a flat lead wrist at the top and to add flexion at the start of the downswing. I found it hard to do this consistently and have a square club face at impact. There's a lot of instruction out there that makes the swing more complicated than it should be.
Great explanation of what the wrists do in the golf swing. I had challenges with an early release of my wrist, right around hip height. My swing thought to correct that was to hold the right wrist back all the way through the downswing into my follow through. When filmed, the right wrist did not appear to stay cocked but did as you described.
We here that a lot with feeling one thing and having it look different on video.
I have the opposite issue, I tend to early release my wrist at downswing, so I need to fill my wrist never uncocking throughout the swing
Praise galore. My main problem is still outside in swing, watching vids of my swing I detect lack of right wrist extension (tray holding) and I’m never sure if all of my idiosyncrasies are you he cause of my swing path. I start hard from the top which doesn’t allow my body to keep up which causes my chicken wing. Don’t slice a lot but do lose too much distance for not solid contact. Taking lessons late in life is tough trying to reteach a retired body new paths is fun. Watching tons of vids trying to determine the correct path, thought the A swing was pretty good then latched onto Mike Malaska vids. Bottom line use gears guy for proof positive! Long winded but that’s it.
Another great video! Thank you for mentioning what the right arm bone (ulna) does. I would love to see the gears video and data. Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks Jason👊
Excellent video. Holding the pie with the right hand is the key for me.
Super vid, gents! Can you please explain whether body motion or muscle action in the fore arms creates the motion itself? You have engage at first, then get more passive at the bottom!? Or does body motion create the two angles, top and bottom?
Hi guys. Please please can you do the "detailed" wrist action video you alluded to. There isn't much I disagree with you guys about but this might be one thing. I think it is very poorly understood, even by experts. I did the waiter's tray thing for many years and did have success with it. The main problem is that changes occur in the swing sometime before you intend them to: holding the tray at the top caused me to whip the club head inside too early at first shaft parallel and therefore cross the line at the top etc etc. A couple of other points. I think golfers do need to consciously think about doing the lead wrist screw down action through impact (+/- with a rotating the upside down plate with the (palm down) trail wrist through impact). This or vice versa goes hand n hand (chicken vs egg) with getting the shoulders open at impact and therefore getting shaft lean which all great ball strikers have. It has to be a conscious thought because by the last shaft parallel position, the clubhead has developed so much momentum that the "natural" action is for the club head to catch up with the hands with the resultant flipping action. Physics studies have calculated that this momentum is large. Flipping is a weak action because the golfer has by definition lost "control" of the club head through impact. In conclusion, I think that holding the trail wrist set combined with a screw down type action through impact is a positive thought to have for strong and accurate golf strikes..Trail wrist set vs. screw down is a topic for another day as the left and right wrist actions are not simple mirror images of each other due to the left arm vs shaft hinge point not being at the junction of left and right wrist
You touched on a very important point... the wrists do not mirror each other. That is difficult to wrap your head around at anything but full speed.
Perhaps even more important than that... what you do at with the wrists DO NOT translate to the club head... not in real time, and sometimes not at all. Another extremely difficult fact to wrap the head around. The shaft that connects the hands and head is constantly bending and flexing and not doing it at a 1:1 ratio at all.
Just looking at the wrists without looking at the corresponding head and shaft movements is incomplete. It's important, but it's incomplete because at some point in the swing the golfer (especially the better players) start responding to the club face. And I have yet to see any scientific studies or research or attempts to look at where the face is pointing relative to what the golfer is doing. And that's a pretty big deal wouldn't you say?
Yes probably but like you I don't know too much about it. A video on what GEARS tells us about elite player wrist movement (esp lead wrist flexion/extension and ulnar/radial) would be great?
great video and a problem that most of us ams have! whats the fix?!
Some highly ranked pro's are saying the wrist hinge up and diwn with no mentionof the right falling back on itself at the top. Are they mistaken or can we do it either way? Pls explain. So mixed up i don't know what to do and my game reflects my confusion about this aspect of the game tks very
much fir your time.
You guys talked about following this video up with a gears video of those angles at impact sometime in the future. Did that ever happen? I'm struggling with a flip and every article and UA-cam teacher out there says the right wrist needs to be bent back at impact. Am I missing something here?
We've never seen a player flip it at impact who didn't have to. Meaning there is something going on with the face or arms much earlier in the downswing that requires you to dump those angles and flip at near impact. Fixing the cause is what you'll want to focus on not trying to change your wrist angles at impact... that will never last when you're out there on the course because the cause would still be there and always win that battle.
Athletic Motion Golf I agree with that. I have a hip/shoulder stall issue that I believe causes mine. But if I try to continue to keep the lower half moving through impact and my right wrist keeps firing through impact to, I can hit some nasty shanks. That's why I was curious if the pros have a backwards bend at impact.
Great stuff as always! Is there such a thing as a drive and hold release. Recently I was reading Kelvin Miyahira's articles and he recommends a "drive and hold release". It is essentially at impact lead forearm supination, flexion of the left wrist, and ulnar deviation. For the right it would be right forearm pronation, right wrist extension, and ulnar deviation. What are your thoughts on his research and what he considers an ideal release?
How do you gentlemen feel about putting some pressure on the left thumb by the heel of the right hand and pushing the handle out for almost the entire swing, but especially during the backswing? It gives a great wrist cock, wider swing-arc, a fairly square clubhead at the top and seems to eliminate some hand manipulation of the face through impact. Thanks for your input.
We see golfers all the time who lose that connection between the hands at that location... think it would be a good thing for those players to feel.
Hi, thanks for the vid. Just wondering would holding that wrist angle for a fraction too long lead to an open club face at contact? I had a round of straight blocks/pushes last week and had been working on holding that angle a bit longer beforehand. Thanks
Leaning the shaft forward is a face opener. Many golfers are already too open coming into the ball.
Can you explain the wrist angles and how that affects the launch angle? For example, I've got a 21-degree launch angle on my 6iron, ball speed of 121, spin at 5700 and carry distance of 171 yards. Trackman data shows an avg tour pro launches their 6 iron at 14.1 degrees. In looking online, a few teaching pros suggest it could be the wrist angle at the top. I use Wilson V6 Tour irons with S300 shaft and the loft on my 6 iron is 31 degrees.
Great video again guys, could you do one on how the club face is squared at impact, I have been lately taught not to try and square the face but to relax the wrists and it will occur naturally all things being equal! Any thoughts on this?? Regards and thanks
I guess the 1st question would be, is it happening for you naturally when you do that?
Thanks for making the video and all the knowledge you 2 shared
Thanks for the great feedback and questions!
Great video....I would ask that you tell us what percent of the wrist break have you given up at the moment of impact. Clearly, the right wrist would not be completely straight at impact. I would assume there is still some amount of bend backwards still present in the right wrist at impact. If your left wrist is straight at impact, the right wrist has to be bent back to some degree. Can you be specific as to the amount of bend that is likely still left in the right wrist at impact? Thank you much.
It varies from golfer to golfer and has a lot to do with their grip at setup. But one thing that is interesting is that the left and right wrist do not bend and flex at the same rate. Just because the left wrist is at a certain angle doesn't mean the right is at the mirrored angle... it's a complex subject for sure.
Thanks for the fast reply. I subscribed.
Wow thanks Richard!
Hi Shaun and Mike,
I’m loving these videos. You guys do such a great job and I feel like I can really trust your content. I would like to see a video on the left hand/wrist in the release and follow through. I’ve taken the concept of keeping the face square to reduce ROC to the extreme and feel it might be the cause of my hanging back. Also I’ve taken the concept of rotation and overdone it which I think might be the cause of my inability to maintain lag - I think my rotation is causing the cast, not pushing with the right. I get forward shaft lean at impact through continuing to rotate my body hard. I know I can get more distance from my body.
We should be able to do that for you.
great video guys...
Thanks, Matt👊
I have never seen a flat graph of the trail hand from top to impact. nice video boys
Thanks brother👊
he guys, thanks for the great content. would it be possible that you make a video about the way the wrists work in the release to impact. in this video you covered the right wrist, but it would be really interesting how left and right wrist work together in a Tour player release. Thanks
We should be able to do that, Beni👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf This would be a great video. I am searching your videos now for pro release vs am release.
"Nothing is really held in the golf swing" awesome advice
Have I understood it right, no bowed wrist at impact ? No hitting down on the ball because of wrist injury ?
The correct lead wrist motion is flexion, extension, flexion, extension. And yes, the club is descending into the ball, but not the wrist.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks a lot
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hey great content guys .. can you do a video on shot shaping .. i naturally fade the ball and try not to fade it but to draw it a bit with my driver and fairway metals for distance .. is it a better idea to stick to one shape for consistancy in the long run so that you have a one way miss or is it better to have both shapes in the bag and having two way miss on bad days ... please youre advise is much needed ..
No question one is better. Getting really good at one shape is the best way to spend the time you have to practice. Look at it this way... a two-way miss doubles your dispersion pattern.
THANK YOU for a quick response and a for you're valued advise ... ill keep trying to master one shape then .. thanks
Would one example of things being “held” slightly past impact be external rotation of the trail shoulder?
Numbers wise, we just don't really see much of anything being held in the swing.
Great video guys ! Bring on the Gears video for us golf nerds!
When I record my swing from the side view, I feel like my right wrist is in the correct position however my club face is very closed (Dustin Johnson closed) at the top. Why does my club-face get so closed?
Pretty commone, Michael... it has to do with how you have the club in you hands at setup and how the wrists are rotated to have the club look "normal" down there behind the ball. What does it look like from down the line when the club is parallel to the ground in the takeaway?
Athletic Motion Golf I try to keep the club face pointing towards the ground as long as possible in my takeaway. Had (and still have to a degree) a tendency to roll the club face open on the takeaway.
So from impact to low point you are saying the right wrist does not stay bent. It releases. Is that correct? From what I see in almost every player on tour the right wrist does stay bent post impact. In one of your videos using Gears you show the shaft lean has increased 12 percent post impact. Can you please clarify as this is confusing. Would appreciate a response. Thank you.
Yes, it releases. No player who’s good enough to play on TV holds that angle or increases it. That doesn’t mean the angle is completely gone at impact, but it is QUICKLY be lost on the way to impacts d beyond. We have never shown a 12% increase at impact because that’s not what happens 😉. Rewatch that video and I bet you might hear it differently 🤓
Thank you for this, holding my right wrist off and turning my body hard was how I always thought I'd find the "consistency", but knowing that I need to release the club and let my arms roll over (not to be confused with flip) is a big help. I really need a lesson haha, where are you guys based out of? Do online lessons?
Glad it's helping, Duke. We have locations in Louisiana and Georgia, and also offer online lessons. Shoot us an email at swing@athleticmotiongolf.com
this hits right at home for me
Do you have any videos or drills to get the hands ahead of the ball before impact?
Hey guys, big fan of your videos and breakdown. I would LOVE a video or videos expanding on the right or trail wrist. I have been playing close to 3 years and the one big flaw in my swing is I don't hold that wrist angle. It dies like you said, it starts to release early. I've been trying to fix it. I try holding it and I know that's not what your supposed to do, but I struggle with that. Could you please do more videos on Wrist angle. Also do you guys review swings? If so how do I get mine looked at? Thanks guys
Thanks a ton for watching, Aaron!
That gives a lot of golfers trouble, and your instincts are correct... it's not a fix you can do with holding the angles in the wrist, everything that leads up to that point is going to determine what those wrists do or look like at impact.
Yes, we have to options for swing reviews... the first one is free, and is first come first serve. The line is long right now, but we do plan to get everyone's swing reiewed. If you need something done quickly, we have a paid option ($50) that is working on a 48 hour turn around time right now. Either way, send us a face on and down the line swings to swing@athleticmotiongolf.com and also tell us a little about your game... ball flight... big misses, etc.
Athletic Motion Golf, a swing review would be awesome. I would go for the paid opt since that will be quicker and I know your backed up. How do I do that?
Great... just send your swings to swings@athleticmotiongolf and just mention in the email that you are doing the paid option. You can pay through PayPal at athleticmotiongolf@gmail.com
Thanks, Aaron, we look forward to getting your swings.
Athletic Motion Golf
OK. Thanks
Athletic Motion Golf I tried sending my swing. Was it received? I got a message back say it was undelivered. Is the address correct? I sent it to both emails. Let me know if you receive it so I can pay for the quicker evaluation
Does that mean less supination of the lead forearm?
Awesome video
Awesome as usual. Thanks guys!
I've held that position and now I'm dealing with severe wrist elbow pain for the last 6 months. Wrong concept and understanding will injure the body! Shawn what did you do with your injury?
While it is true that the amount of right wrist extension at impact is less than at the top of the swing,the right wrist MUST be in extension at impact in order to create forward shaft lean.
Sounds like a bender wrist angle with the impact snap
That's not something we would recommend.
Noren looks like a guy that does crazy stuff with his wrist flex.
the background gear model is surely Rory
This might be a dumb question, the wrist shouldn’t be back to neutral at impact correct? Or else there is no shaft lean. I was able to hit good shot with right wrist still bend around 45 degree because of the body rotation. As your left shoulder is opening up, don’t u need some bend in the right wrist to square up the face? The video explanation on impact almost sound like you want your body angles to same at setup. I end up “scooping” the ball. Sorry for getting too nerd out on this.
The feel part of this is difficult to comment on because we all have such a different description of what we feel like is happening, but the numbers we've seen for the wrist just don't show angles being held. They are constantly moving and changing. The when, like with the rest of the swing, is the big deal.
Athletic Motion Golf per your video, you mentioned the wrist and most angles are hold until about the right hip? Then everything else just gets unwind? How can I practice that timing?
We use this drill all the time to help guys feel and get used to when all that happens: ua-cam.com/video/GDHNc4T4lb0/v-deo.html
I used to hold from top to finish (left hand lag too) and I wondered why I couldn't stop overly dipping...it was my subconscious mind saying "you'll NEVER get there from there you dummy!"...oh and I was inside and behind me too..I have no idea how I EVER shot in the 70s (very rarely).
Wait... You mean applying pressure to the left thumb by the right hand in an effort to have a flat left wrist all the way through the swing is the kiss of death??? TGM nerds would disagree! And btw, it ruined my game, my attitude, my desire to teach and I left the business. Worst thing that ever happened to me was taking lessons from a TGM instructor for 6 years. I could never do it. I thought it was me and that I couldn't play. I should have, and finally did, listen to de la Torre, Flick, Toski, et al, as I learned when I was a kid. Now I'm back to them, playing better than I have in years and considering teaching again. Golf is fun.
Good stuff. Thanks.
Thanks for watching, Bay!
I first started watching for the gears stuff and that's is still my favorite but all your content is solid.
We're working on a couple more GEARS videos that I think you really like 😉
good stuff guys..thanks
Thanks George!
Good question....and one that cries out for gears analysis....this is a gears based channel, so why not use gears analysis ?
This is an instruction based channel and we use all sorts tech when we teach and do our videos. The info in the videos we don't feature GEARS is still based on real data. Some guys tell us we use too much GEARS and some say to little... we're trying to have a balanced offense😊
🎉🎉🍾🍾 fantastic again
Strong 💪emoji game, Josselin, and THANKS!😊
and Mike spoke, “Nothing in the golf swing is ‘held’.”
-Proverbs 6:12.
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Haha yes!
Post impact you are not supposed to break the left wrist as long as possible. This way u are not scooping the ball.
Huge myth. That angle is lost by every great player who’s played the game
I see a lot of information about turning the lead wrist down. You’re not doing that I see.
I hold
My takeaway for the entire swing and shoot in the mid 70s this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about
You probably shoot in the mid 70’s for 9 holes
Your right about that, a whole lot of talking again in your video with not much being said! Like old women at the breakfast table, I lost interest in the topic after the first two minutes.
Go over to Milo Lines and he will tell you exactly the opposite of what you have said - no wonder the average player has not improved with all the conflicting advice on UA-cam. Nothing beats a face to face lesson with a pro in my view.
Not really an apples to apples comparison lumping in measured data with non-measured advice. If you start with sources that take the time to measure what great players do, as well as what the average player does, you'll find less conflicting info.
WAY way Too much talk and not enough demonstration and of course the whole planet can talk a good swing and you notice neither of these two had the courage to hit a ball.