I've just upgraded my ALP with this kit. A big thank you Wagner for your guide without you and people like you in the channels it wouldn't be possible. It has transformed the haptics in the stock tables but the real advantage is visual pinball without a doubt. Before I wasn't impressed with VP as I couldn't feel any bumpers but with the upgrade the haptic/music speaker separation is just a massive game changer. I def owe you a pint if you're over here in England, cheers 🍻
Hi Jon, so happy you're enjoying the kit!! Definitely don't owe me a thing, I always appreciate a subscribe to the channel if you haven't already and interested in seeing more content like this. Totally agree, this is an incredible game changer for the ALP!
Thank you. Just finished the install. I can confirm using the tape helps cut a clean hole for the cabling. I did the same on the rear panel for the cords there too. Appreciate the walk through. Life saver.
About a decade ago When i bought my first "larrge" (42" lol) flat panel TV i scoured the internet for days, prolly a week at least, to find a mount that'll allow me to tilt to portrait mode, primarily for vertical shooters as i was unaware of the existence of these electronic pinball tables, now i have all my fave's as a kid and while i don't play them as much as i did a few years ago, I still love their creation and my decision to have built a TV stand out of a solid 4"x4"x8' fence post stud with freekin portrait mode!! Great vid as always Wagner's TechTalk. =D
Hello Jon. Thanks to your channel I own a steam deck and play vpx on my ALP using the deck. It works great. I just installed this upgrade kit and I believe everything is working fine. I just wanted to check 1 thing. The only way I get the system working is by setting the table audio to "Primary Drive" and the backglass music to the HDMI. Also, I have the output on the deck settings set to the HDMI rather than speakers or headphones. I know that is different than you recommended on the video. Just checking to see if that seems appropriate with the deck . Thanks so much for all your videos!
Hello, thank you for your feedback! I wouldn't say the way I set it up is the only way to go, if you're getting the sound separation in VPX with your current configuration, it's likely just fine. The music coming through the ALP speakers and the playfield sounds through the haptics kit. The haptics kit makes a world of difference on the ALP doesn't it? I love it! I just got finished playing about 20 min. ago myself.
Thank you so much for this tutorial. I installed the haptic kit using your online instructions and this video. More UA-camrs need to take the time and do tutorials correctly. They skip steps and don’t talk to you about what may go wrong but you do. You talk about everything have good camera angles and zooms and actually show you step by step. Also I LOVE LOVE LOVE! my Atgames pinball now more than ever. I have Philip’s solenoid kit from Cleveland Software Design and this Haptics Kit installed. I’d say this is as close to the real thing as you can get with owning an Atgames Pinball for $800. Regular video pinballs can be $4000 and real pinball machine can be $6,000-$10,000. Keep up the good work Buystuffarcades! You and Wagner’s tech talk make gaming dreams come true!
Thank you so much for your kind comments, I'll make sure that BuyStuffArcades sees this. If you don't mind, I'm sure they would love to receive your review on their product page here too: www.buystuffarcades.com/products/alp-haptics-upgrade-kit Creating guides often takes longer than the videos, I greatly appreciate your comments!
@@WagnersTechTalk I totally understand the work you put in. I know editing takes forever but your tutorials will last for years to come. They are worth it. Thanks again
I haven't tried this mod yet, but I will save the video for when I do. You mentioned turning off the accelerometer which I never thought to try on the stock panel. That has solved my issue of turning up haptics and causing the "ghost nudge". Now I actually want to play this machine again!
At 10:33, you mentioned to plug in the 90 degree angled end of the short audio cable. I had no such cable with a 90 degree connection, so I just skipped that step altogether. I don't use the A/B switch at all.
There should have been a short 3.5mm audio cable included if you got the Deluxe Haptics Kit. If not, you may need to contact BSA (if you want one, that is). If you want to switch between the native ALP tables and the PC, you'll want it.
ALSO, I didn't use the very long audio cable; I just went from the two-pronged white and red cable to the amplifier (AUX) connection. Does that sound right?
Hello there. I was wondering if you had any guidance specifically on the 4 speaker backbox setup. When my Deluxe Backbox 2.0 arrived, the bottom two speakers are wired directly into the amp in the backbox. However, the top two speakers are not connected to anything at all. I never realized over a whole year that these two speakers were not being used. This guide seems to be more for a two speaker setup and I can't find anyone, even BuyStuff, show how to connect the four speaker setup. I am connected to the mainboard of the ALP used the cables in the RCA harness. The top speakers have the same connecter as the RCA harness, but nowhere to plug them in. To provide some background, I recently upgraded my ALP playfield with an LG Ultragear. I have everything connected properly, but no sound. I'm wondering if these speakers not being connected is the reason for no sounds. Please give this some thought. I can share pictures or videos too. I appreciate any feedback you may have!
I never purchased the Deluxe Backbox myself, so unfortunately I have no experience with that aspect. Please reach out to BuyStuff Arcades for this question, I'm sure they'll be able to provide great assistance/service. You can reach them here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
Excellent review Jon, as always! Thanks so much for the careful and comprehensive guide and hope it will help many get more enjoyment out of their ALP!
Your haptics upgrade kit made an amazing difference on my ALP! I appreciate all the great work and design that went into making this kit available to the community.
I've been going through your ALP videos as I have one coming on Saturday. I've been playing videogames since around 1989, and have always wanted a pinball table, but couldn't bring myself to get a full table. I'm thinking in the long run I'll be having a desktop computer living in the ALP and be doing a few of the upgrades you've gone over as then I'll have one table, which will function as MANY. Thanks for all of the information and you present it in a fantastic way.
You're very welcome Judson! I play my ALP usually daily here, that's 2 years after receiving it. There are so many great tables both on the platform and on PC. Lately I've been obsessed with trying to improve my leaderboard ranking on the Natural History tables. While enjoying the PC + Steam Deck via OTG also, there is so much fun to be had also with the tables from AtGames. I personally think the NH are must-have tables, they are so well-done and fun to play.
@@WagnersTechTalk OK, again thanks for the tutorial, took me a bit longer to install, small screws older eyes.. now. im running vpx pretty much all the time, i previously hooked up a sub and speakers and thought it was a great upgrade - and it was, but after the bsa kit upgrade I'm blown away, no video will give you the correct feeling on this... the haptics are amazing.. with the better sound it was good but with the kit and hands on the pin it is another world... I love the sound controls, i adjust on the fly for certain tables, but i'm picky and is easy to do quickly, it's also a great upgrade if you only run alp tables but did not play many, i played one game before and after to have a fresh memory of play / sound.. the dayton upgrade is worth it for that alone... Final thoughts..Buy It!!!!
Very welcome for the tutorial, hope it was helpful to you! Totally understand about the small screws (same here). So happy to hear you love the kit, BSA did an amazing job putting it together!
@@paulkoslowTV are you still using your sub and speakers with the haptics upgrade or the alp speakers now? My kit just arrived and I’m excited to get started. I am running a sound bar and sub but am not sure which I’ll go with for sound.
I still don't understand how to connect the haptics amp to the Legends pinball. The video helped a lot already, ordered the BuyStuff haptics set and will have a look at my pinball connections tonight, maybe I'll understand then . I see so many cables on the video that I don't have on my stock Legends pinball... it's confusing. Also ordered a BackBox 2.0 with a VIBS but first, the haptics.
In addition to this video, there is a written guide here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Installation_Preparation with pictures. Please see the written guide also and let me know if you still have questions. Keep in mind, the video and guide only cover the stock backbox. I don't own the 2.0 backbox so any difference there won't be part of the guide nor the video.
@@WagnersTechTalk Hi Sir. Problem solved thanks to your tutorial. I just needed to focus a bit and listen to what you were saying. Awesome video. Thanks a lot. Liked and subbed.
Thank you for the clear tutorial. However, I was searching and searching and I can't find something. Is there a plain wiring diagram with the product? Sometimes I just need an overview to see what I'm doing. Thanks
@@WagnersTechTalk nahhh. Im too excited for it to be up and running. Will probably have it all wired up before BSA even responds to their email. you'd think this was would come with all their packages of this nature? But oh well, Im already have way through, I just have to rewind on UA-cam over and over at times :). Thx again
See 10:22 , the ground loop isolator is optional. Just plug the 3.5mm to the sound card on your PC the other end into the long 3.5mm cable going to the PC.
@@WagnersTechTalkhanks for the quick reply. That time stamp was my confusion. I plugged it in as instructed at the amp but the other end of that smaller jack wasn’t touched on in the video. I figured it went to the PC. The only installation guide, and part instructions for this BSA kit is this video. BSA just points here. With a huge influx of ALP buyers over the holiday season Id make sure everything is covered. But thanks for taking the time and effort to make the video. You’ve been a huge resource getting started with the ALP.
@@TheycalllmeTim Not much more to say about it, it's shown in the video and in the written version of the guide : wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Installation_Preparation . It's just a single A/B switch to direct the output from the stock or PC audio output through the haptics kit. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear.
Great video, gonna order this. Question, it seems that you upgraded the stock speakers on the stock back box? Mine have plastic covers over them, yours don’t. Can anyone please recommend simple replacement speaker upgrades that will make a difference ? Thank you Cfg
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you for the quick response, should I assume then that since you haven’t upgraded them, you don’t think it’s worth upgrading them ? Or is there something that is out there that might actually made a difference?
I can't say if it's worth it or not, I've not upgraded them so can't honestly draw any comparison. For me personally, the ALP HD puts out plenty of sound with the haptics kit installed. I mean, I can literally feel the floor thumping if I crank the amp up a bit. I don't see any reason to upgrade the stock backbox speakers myself.
When you're setting up sound is the bass shaker going off during bumper, slingshot and, flipper effects? Have you noticed a deeper rolling ball sound on tables? Interested in how separating sound increases realism and wondering if it would be worth my while to setup a 5.1 system below and keep the 2 channel up top. Lol yeah I love sound.
I have, the sounds do seem much deeper which is adjustable on the amp to your preferences. I've cranked it up so loud my floor shakes, so yep definitely can feel the bass 😎
Just finished the installation but now I don’t have any haptics on either the stock or OTG tables. The amp also has lots of buzzing. Did I need to reconnect both cables (usb and audio) to the arcade control panel?
Very nice upgrade I think I am going to grab one. How did you get the VPX . and pinball fx3 not have flipper lag. I get it pretty bad using otg cable. I have rtx 4080 32gb ram 5800x3d cpu. I don't get lag if it connect straigt to regular 32" monitor not using the alp. Do I need a to use a power usb hub when connection to alp ?
On my machine, VPX and FX3 didn't have much flipper lag with j2k. However, recently I've been testing Pinball FX (latest version on Steam). With that, my PC did experience severe flipper lag. As a result, I tried another mapping tool and created a mapping configuration for it. Not only did it help with Pinball FX but FX3 and VPX also played a bit better. You can read more about how to set it up here if you want to try it out: wagnerstechtalk.com/alpfx/#Button_Mapping . Xpadder isn't free, it's $10, but for my setup was totally worth it.
@@WagnersTechTalk wow thanks a lot I'll give this a try hopefully this fixes it if not I'm just going to tear the whole thing down make a full PC build.
Hi Jon. Super nice video. I bought this to yesterday. I live in the Netherlands so i dont know howlong it takes to recieve this upgrade. I have a mini pc with Headphone input 3.5. Can i use this for connecting the switch into the pc.? Looking forward for this upgrade. Thx for the great video.
Sorry for the slow response here, I was in Chicago at the time your message came in and got way behind answering comments. Did you get your kit and if so, how do you like it so far?
@@WagnersTechTalk Hi Jon. i have it all done now. I ended up with 2 amps 4 exiters and two bass shakers.. All working great. Now i feel and hear the tables. Thank you for responding.. no problem.. Greetz..
Stock tables and OTG sound great (shown in this video). You'd likely want their wiring harness, but may work fine through your soundbar/sub. Not something I've tried.
Very nice, i just got my ALP a couple days ago and the wife and i really enjoy it, once i get a PC and the Buystuff backbox i'm definitely going to be interested in upgrading the haptics. Thanks Wagner!
Very welcome and thanks for watching! When you are ready to begin exploring other features, this guide may be useful to you: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-mod1 . There is also a section on PC recommendations (see the grey box), the grey box has a link that will allow you to enter the PC specs and get a good idea of how it will perform with FX3. This guide covers a lot of ground and also the Arcade Control Panel (which I highly recommend), it will be on sale starting 6/16 (if interested): wagnerstechtalk.com/al-news/#June_2022
@@WagnersTechTalk Yup, i been to your page a few times, was waiting on the ALP to come to Best Buy all last month then finally caved and ordered direct last week lol. Plan on getting the panel in 3 months or so during their next sale, thanks again!
Thank -You for making a detailed video does the heptic feedback and sound come through using the stock games on the ALP and Zac pac as well as tatio work with this set up without using a computer in the OTG mode I just purchased the Deluxe 2 speaker kit
I was wandering that the computer I'm using for the ALP when I"m changing the settings to play FX3 and Virtual pinball when its not plugged in to the ALP will the settings go back to way I had before hooking it up to the ALP I'm using my home computer for it and can't buy a computer dedicated just for the ALP right now I just got FX3 playing the tables and fixing to install this deluxe upgrade kit and have to learn to do vpx and future pinball tutorial from your videos
Great video as always. I connected it and it seems to work correctly for some VPX tables and others it is not working correctly. Like the audio is changing from back box and the exciters. Kind is strange. When it works right it is awesome. But would love to turn up the volume on the back box a little louder. Any suggestions on the mentioned issues? Thank you!
I've not seen (heard) the issue you mention myself. It may be something you'll want to check with BuyStuffArcades about. When you get a response from them, let me know the results. Is the issue when you switch from VPX to FP, some VPX tables or some FP tables?
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you. Will do. No, it’s only VPX. For example, the sponge Bob table works fantastic. Sounds are coming in correctly. But when I played the new Megadeth table the music comes from up front by three flippers. So the sound is not separate. I checked the sound configuration and it’s setup the same as sponge bob. It seems like when it works the invidea logo pops up on the playfield then disappears. I hear a pop of sound when these changes happen. Also noticed that during the menu screen in pinup popper the sounds are only coming up front as well and not separate. I may have to see how to fix that. But it doesn’t sound good.
This sadly does not work with the ALP micro according to BSA, if anyone was wondering. I could not go back to using my standard ALP without it, though. It's been fantastic.
Was the buzzing occurring before adding the kit? If not, please check with Buy Stuff Arcades. There could be a different vendor being used for the amp/speakers. Also, make sure you're using the ground loop isolator that was included between the PC and the 3.5mm cable going to the amp.
@@WagnersTechTalk my cab is stock , the speakers have a buzz , some might not notice but it does bother me a bit . You can hear it more at quiet volumes and on more quiet tables. Maybe there is an adjustment? I have heard others with the same issue . I’m playing skit since getting the zaccaria tables ! These are way better quality than any of the other tables I find. Any ideas ?
It will work, however you won't have the audio separation like you would in VPX. At least, as far as I know. You may want to check with BuyStuffArcades to verify that, I could be wrong.
Since the bottom of the cabinet is cheap MDF, won't it just be a matter of time before the weight and vibration of the woofer strips those screws out and drop your speaker to the floor? Is it not possible to mount the woofer inside the cabinet? Bass and sub-bass sounds are omnidirectional, thus can be placed anywhere to have some effect.
It's MDF, not cheap. It's actually pretty thick (I think 3/4"). I bought a sheet a few years ago 8'x6' was $80. Pretty sure the bass shaker won't be coming loose anytime. However, if you want to mount it inside totally up to you. You may want to check with BSA for their recommendations on placement. What you saw in this video was based on their recommendations.
@@WagnersTechTalk When I say cheap MDF I mean in comparison to 3/4" Baltic Birch plywood. Vibrations loosen sawdust and glue over time. But i guess it depends the quality of the MDF and how often and loud you operate the pin.
Merry Christmas to me! I'll be ordering this kit on Friday. I always love your videos. The straightforward, step-by-step instruction is most appreciated! Thank you.
Merry Christmas to you, you're definitely going to enjoy it! It's the gift that lasts all year round 😎 Thanks so much for your kind comments, once you get it installed drop me a note on what you think of it.
Hi there! I have a KL25Z board on the way that I intend to use for nudging in OTG. You mentioned that the haptics upgrade interferes with the stock accelerometer so I'm wondering it would also interfere with the KL25Z accelerometer? I'd love to install both!
I'm not familiar with the KL25Z board, you may want to check with BSA here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us . They may have more information they can share than I currently have.
Just a quick update for anyone passing through wondering the same. I completed installation of both the KL25Z board with Pinscape software for nudging in OTG and the haptics upgrade kit and I'm happy to report no interaction between the two! I have fairly sensitive settings for nudging in VPX and I can still crank the haptics volume all the way up, and it doesn't set off the accelerometer at all.
So I’ve installed the kit using this guide, thanks for the wonderful video. I’m having a weird issue and I’m not sure if it’s supposed to be like this, but it seems the alp is routing music to one of the exciters. If I’d use the switch, it runs music only on the left exciter, and if i bypass the switch and directly plug into the amp, it pumps the music into the right? Any reason or fix behind this?
Definitely check with BuyStuffArcade, they'll be able to help troubleshoot better than I can. This isn't an issue I've encountered nor had mentioned to me. Sorry I'm not much help, it may be something wired wrong.
@@WagnersTechTalk yeah so this seems to be a continuation of an issue that came up a few years back where these systems were sending audio to the exciters for some reason, either a software or hardware issue or both. Seems I still have that problem as I recall looking this up using the stock pad and exciters back then.
Hi Jon. I installed the same buystuff deluxe haptics kit for alp yesterday. Its sounds really good. Good sound from the exiters but no feedback, rumble. Only the bass shaker does the vibration. I dont know its me who has done something wrong or the exiters are only for music. Got no bass and rumble vibration. I Hope you maybe have a solution here.? Thx for the video..
Hi Jon. Thx for reply . The switch working good. When i push the button the otg sound works. When i push the button again i got the alp tables working with sound. So its all working.. but on both options only the shaker rumbles and not the exiters. They just give me sound and no vibration. I checked all the wires and vpx options, they all work good. Music from the backbox speakers and effects from the shaker and exiters. But again the exiters give only sound and no vibrations.
After installed the kit, I lost all in game sound effects, meaning I don't hear the flippers/bumper or mechanics of the game like I did prior to the install. Any idea how to fix that? I followed the directions as you showed.
I figured out my problem. The speaker selection under "General output Sound Option" needed to stay as Primary Sound Driver for me. Thanks again for your video!
do you know what the amp model is that buystuff arcade is using in the atgames pro haptic kit? want to read reviews but no one has done videos or reviews of it .
Thank you and Great question! I asked BSA, whatever stereo sounds are programmed, the haptics kit will now represent. The built in haptics are just a mono channel. I've also added your question and BSA's response here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Q_A
So do you have to have a switcher attached? As someone who’s going to be using stock ALP and attached pc, I was curious…especially since I noticed they offer a standard version without the switcher for $20 less.
i was given the wire bundle from someone online who had extra, and bought the other bits i needed (switch, groundloop, speakers, bass, amp) but i don't have that little plastic connector thing for the bass puck. What is that? Do i need it?
Are you talking about the button switch? It's needed to switch between the internal tables vs PC. More here, if needed: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Deluxe_Kit_Components
@@WagnersTechTalk ah nope, i ordered that. The little plastic terminal thing attached to the bass transducer. I don't have one of those. I assume i can just connect the wires with a crimp connector or electrical tape or what have you?
Check with BuyStuffArcades here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us , they may be able to support you with whatever is needed. They have been amazing to work with on this project and they may be able to help more so than I.
I was trying to install some exciters with a basic 2.1 amp but only get static. I think the motherboard isn’t doing its thing with the subwoofer output. Multimeter reads 25 volts. Have you ever tested the electrical output of that output?
It's not something I've done, honestly can't answer that. I don't think you would want to, otherwise you may lose the separation in VPX that makes this kit so awesome.
I have the gotlib tables working correctly but the flippers don't vibrate when I'm on FX3 games not sure why it works on tables but not the other any thoughts
Hey Wagner! Is it possible to install the sub inside the machine instead of underneath, so that the hole I drill can be in the back of the cabinet? Great video!
I went by the recommendation from BuyStuffArcades, you may want to check with them on that if anything has changed. www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
I was wandering if you help me I installed the deluxe pinball shaker from buy stuff store I installed it what my problem is the flippers I cant feel the heptic feed back on them when you hit the ball it seems like the shaker is making all the noise I am using the upgrade joystic and trackball for the ALP I left that wire off like said for the flipers I have the game running computer not hooked up yet just trying out the Gotleb tables I have my hand on the dayton exciters I feel music coming out of them but I cant feel the bump when you hit ball or is the bass shaker suppose to that I did turn off the heptic like you said because it was tilting and push the red button in thank you
I picked up a used ALP with the haptic kit but is missing the power supply. What are the specs on the one that comes with it so I can find a replacement? Think I have some 12v 2a laying around. Will that work or does the amp need to be higher?
The separation, like you have with VPX, isn't there with FX3. It sounds great, but the music, effects, etc. all come through the same channels. Where with VPX, the music plays through the ALP speakers and the bumpers, ball rolling, etc. come through the haptics. It sounds much better than the stock speakers, however.
Hi, just got this and getting strong feedback once i plug in RCA plugs into the custom splitter piece. I know the speakers and sub are wired correctly because I tried the PC settings off an iPhone to make sure the sound was coming through. For some reason when I try and use the table sound it pushes back strong feedback. Any suggestions?
Interesting, I assume you tried turning down the main volume on the ALP and the amp correct? When you say feedback, if it's a hissing/noise sound use the ground loop isolator that was included in the kit between the audio jack on the PC and the connection to the ALP. That 'should' fix it. If not, might need to ask BuyStuffArcades directly, don't want to send you in the wrong direction.
I wish there was a way to do his and not have to disable the accelerometer. I had done a exciter upgrade back in the very early days and pretty much disabled them a week later because I wanted a real nudge.
Fantastic tutorial, thanks for sharing! I had purchased the slim HDMI and USB cables a few days ago, should have thrown in this kit as well, haha. I have the solenoid kit from Cleveland Software on the way, would this compliment the Buy Stuff Arcade's Haptic upgrade? If I install the solenoids to be near the flippers, would the upgraded exciters be beneficial at the bottom of the cab?
Much appreciated, happy it was helpful! I don't own the solenoid kit so I can't say with 100% certainty, but I would guess it would just further enhance the kit. You may want to contact BuyStuffArcades from the link in the video description to double-check this. Also, I think they are planning their own SSF option but not sure if that will also include solenoids.
I obviously used the entire kit, with the amp. Without the amp and bass shaker, I don't have any idea if you will notice much of an improvement. The Dayton bass shaker is really what makes a huge impact. The Dayton exciters do as well, but the bass shaker is definitely the most prominent improvement (IMO).
Hello. I installed the upgrade kit but it gives me problems. When I turn on the amplifier and turn up the volume, a buzz sounds and also neither the subwoofer nor the exciters respond to the movements of the ball, only sound comes out of the ALP speakers. I followed all the steps in the tutorial but I can't find the problem. Greetings from Spain.
@@salvaprosper3818 Awesome news, glad you're up and running (pretty amazing kit isn't it!) I very much appreciate your support, enjoy playing virtual pinball in style!
Extremely well done tutorial and video as well. Always look forward to your articles and videos. Keep up the excellent work! I am an owner of the deluxe backbox, and definitely picking up this haptics kit!
Got mine installed and it does sound great. However, I hardly have any sound coming from the alp speakers in otg vpx. I’ve made sure they’re turned up in windows and in the vpx settings but can’t figure it out. The music is very faint coming from the alp speakers. I followed everything else. I can get the music louder if i set it to come from the haptics kit. Any tips on what I’m doing wrong?
Thanks for your quick response! I do have those set right. I’ve seen every bit of your video several times at this point😆. Everything still sounds good, just nothing from those back alp speakers except some low bass. I’m assuming/hoping if I actually get it right, it’ll sound even better and perhaps there will be more of a distinction amongst the sounds. The way it is now I don’t feel much going on in the flippers. I think there’s supposed to be a bit more distinct thump when hitting them. I’ll keep tweaking but I think I’ve tried everything I can think of. Thanks again.
You should definitely feel the flippers+bass shaker. If you're not, there is something we're missing. You may want to ask your question to BSA here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us . Maybe there is something I'm not seeing from your question that they may pick up on.
It could be a number of things: wired incorrectly, defect in the adapter/amp, ground loop isolator not connected, etc. For the best support, I'd recommend contacting BSA directly here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
Someone else had a similar issue. Make sure all the audio cables are fully plugged in. I think that was the issue that individual had, went back and made sure each was fully seated and that fixed the issue. If it's the same for you let me know and I'll add it to the troubleshooting.
Hi Wagner, I'm about to buy a deluxe backbox and the haptic kit from buystuffarcade. I also plan to purchase a computer to play pinball on the PC. This will be my first time playing pinball on PC. Can you suggest a good PC to purchase for the project to link it to my AT Pinball? Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi Von, I have some recommendations here if interested: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-mod1/#Suggestions The first one is the Dell I purchased and is no longer available. The 2nd is still available, has great reviews and would be the one I'd likely buy today if I needed one. Hope this helps!
I've only used it with the ALP, please check with BSA here on this question: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us . I don't want to tell you wrong.
@@WagnersTechTalkis there a way to locate the where the speakers are running to on the board? I was thinking of maybe running an audio splitter just to power a bass shaker not upgrading the haptics.
The haptics kit includes a harness cable for the audio which would be needed (and can be purchased separately, I think). I'm not sure that it is compatible with the micro. Please check with BSA from the link above.
You could likely use the amp, exciters, etc. but the wiring harness included in this kit is for the ALP-only and really where most of the magic happens. Not sure what cabinet you had in mind, but you can reach out to BuyStuffArcades ( www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us ) and they may be able to recommend something.
Great video ! I really appreciate the high level of detail! I've been in the IT industry for quite a long time, so detail really matters! I'm not sure if I'm adventurous enough to drill into the ATG and do all of these upgrades, but it's nice to see it done anyway :)
Thank you for your kind comments and for watching! The guide and video will always be here if you change your mind. I recall buying a book years ago on building a MAME home arcade. The idea scared/excited the heck out of me, I had virtually no woodworking experience at the time. Eventually, I went out and bought some MDF sheets, sketched out a bar top cabinet design and built my first cabinet. Looking back, I just wish I had started sooner messing with this stuff. Not sure if any of that is helpful or I'm just rambling 😀
I really enjoy your videos. It is impressive how creative one can. be if one is determined! I guess I'm haven't reached that level of determination. I do stuff at home that certainly takes me out of my comfort zone. Just a couple of months ago I had to change out a fog light assembly on my car. It was complex because it was light is behind a wheel well, and you can't get to it unless you have a car lift or jack the car up and remove the wheel. I have some background from back in the day of being a vehicle mechanic in the US Army... So after watching a few UA-cam videos, I took the leap of faith, bought a hydraulic jack, jack up the car up, block the wheels etc. And finally, was able to remove the wheel, get the wheel well out enough to where I can reach in and get the fog light assembly removed and a new one installed. But it's not a skill set that I do day in and day out, but when it's gotta get done.... So, when it comes to my ATG, I'd much rather it be ready to go when I want to use. As opposed to turning "Mod'ing" the ATG into a hobby. Don't get me wrong, I admire what you guys do. Just think until it gets a little bit more plug-and-play, I'll be sitting on the sidelines :)
@@atguru lol, totally get it! Working on cars is definitely not my strongpoint. Little things I'm fine with but with what you described, you're way ahead of me on the automotive-side! Have an awesome weekend!
When you say youre not connecting the original ALP haptics at the end, do you mean one *must not* (due to impedance of whatever), or you simply didn't feel the need to? Got the haptics installed today (thank you for this super helpful video!!!), and I wouldn't mind keeping the ALP haptics to add a little further to the experience, since I got those nicely under control via the old sticky tape method. But of course I don't want to short circuit my machine due to some inoendance mismatch or else, so I thought I'd ask first. Also... Anyone got a good tip for an idiot like me how to reconnect a speaker cable that slid out a solenoid that's already glued to the side of the cabinet? 😅 For the life of me, I can't reach it, but removing the solenoid to reconnect would probably mess up the double sided sticky tape, no? I'm so stupid 🙄
Very welcome, thank you for watching! You can double-check with Buy Stuff Store/Arcade, but they recommended to me that it wasn't needed and to leave it disconnected. I went with their recommendation.
I'm definitely picking this upgrade up. I previously replaced the stock exciters with two small dayton exciters, which did help a lot, but I have been looking for something with more oomf and in an easy to install package. One question though. You mentioned you had to disable the built-in accelerometer. Can it be moved and mounted to another spot in the cabinet to avoid the tilt issue? Maybe hanging in the middle with some foam backing to dampen the bass? I only ask since I had to disable the tilt buttons on the side since my young kids accidentally press them and tilt the table while they play even when being aware of hand placement. Heck, even our adult friends have this issue too. Thanks for another great video!
BSA is going to do more investigation into the accelerometer and let me know. Once they do, I'll try it, update the guide and there may be a follow-up video if significant. One thing that others have mentioned was to place the two front dayton exciters on the bottom-side of the cabinet. I've not personally tried that yet. Check the change log periodically on the guide page for any updates.
Wagner's TechTalk, I always really appreciate your videos showing solutions to home arcade products such as the AtGames Legends Pinball. It's crazy to think that AtGames still hasn't fixed the sound issues with their Legends Pinball, especially the haptics, which are currently unplugged on my machine. It sounds like this kit may fix that. However, this particular kit is unfortunately way to complicated for me, but I do appreciate you showing it off. Although I don't enjoy modding myself, I do like watching modders make these products better and also love companies selling these solutions. For me, I'd need to have something so simple, like a self contained box with everything already installed within it, with one connection port to connect the exciter wire from the control deck into. I know the chances of that are next to nil, but yeah, not my wheelhouse. Thanks for all that you do! vgv
Thank you vgv, I appreciate your kind comments and perspective. The installation was actually very easy, but I totally get it. There are a few steps, of course, but was fun to install. Even my 16 year-old son wanted to jump in and help which made it even more enjoyable. I hope that it helps others interested in doing the same and planning to create more videos like this in the future. Maybe the next one you'll find more of interest. Again, thank you for your feedback and comments!
Hi Al, you are 100% correct! I put that blurb in there for the FIRST person to correct me and you win. I'll be sending over some Wagner's TechTalk stickers and a sealed game for the Evercade to you (The Oliver Twins), if interested. You can find my e-mail address here: wagnerstechtalk.com/contact . Please include your mailing address and I will ship it to you this week.
Excellent tutorial as I am recently got an ALP and am ordering this kit. My question is why not put the bass shaker inside the cab on the bottom versus on the outer underside? Thanks
My honest answer, because that is how it was recommended to me by BuyStuff Arcades (they tested far more mounting options than I did). My theory is that you'll get much better sound having it mounted externally, inside you'll likely just get a lot of muffled vibration rather than clear audio. I've not tried it internally and happy with the sound mounted below. But, if you try it, I'd very much like to hear your experience! Thank you for your kind comment regarding the tutorial!
Awesome and congrats!! When you get it installed, please let me know your thoughts of the kit. If I can be assistance, just let me know. I think everything is covered in the guide+video but always looking to improve them.
@@WagnersTechTalk Will do. I'm particularly interested in getting this up and running in OTG so I can play Visual Pinball tables properly. I do have a quick question for you though, now that you mention it. When you were explaining how to set up the audio in Visual Pinball, you loaded up a table and configured it in the table settings. I'm assuming when you make this change it applies to ALL tables though, correct?
I’m referring to the much larger one with the plastic white cover that has a spin motor in it. They sell from $99.00 - to about $177.00. The reason I’m asking is because I have one of those and wanted to know if it was compatible with this equipment- but Thanks anyway for the advice!
As many have stated already great video and thank you! I have purchased the Buy Stuff Arcades Haptics Upgrade Kit and I am very pleased with the performance of it on the pre-installed tables and Pinball FX3. I have installed Pinup Popper Baller and began working with the the pre-installed VPX table Leprechaun King. If I have both the sound effects and music running through HDMI, I can hear everything. When I attempt to isolate the sound effects to the PC motherboard's Realtek HD Audio output, I can hear the music through the HDMI but no sound effects. Where should I begin the troubleshooting process? Could it be a harness problem or is it software related? PC is Windows 11.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you for your prompt response! Option 1 is indeed what I am going after but when using this appoach, I do not have audio through the Realtek HD audio for the sound effects using the option 1 settings in VPX. Using option 1, I have music playing through the back box speakers and nothing coming from the shaker and exciters. I guess my first question should have been what Windows audio device should be set as default output in Windows? Currently have the Nvidia HDMI audio out as default.
Ok, just so I'm sure it's working well now? An issue with the ground loop isolator? You can reach out to BuyStuffArcades if a replacement is needed. Side Note: I've also bought a few from here : amzn.to/3Sbze6d . I've used them in the past with my Jeep a few years ago when connecting an Alexa (Roav Viva) to the AUX-in of of the stereo. They do substantially help improve the audio hissing that you may hear on some devices due to interference (the engine of the vehicle in my case). May be fine without it, but if you hear any audio distortion, then one may be needed.
Great video as per usual just one question is it possible to place the excitors on the bottom of the wooden cabinet rather than on the side below the flippers not to set off the accelerometers? Just thinking of a way not to have to turn them off
Hi Jon, I personally haven't tried that. It "might" work. I've asked BSA for recommendations on that myself. You may want to ask them directly, I've not asked the question lately: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us If you receive a recommendation, please let me know what they say.
@@WagnersTechTalk Yes I got a reply from BSA they responded with; "It’s actually the bass shaker that is more prone to setting the accelerometer off than the exciters. The exciters use the entire side panel for resonance, so we don’t recommend moving them as it will conflict with the bass shaker frequencies. We think the best probable solution is relocating the accelerometer further back in the cabinet and some people are going to be testing that. We haven’t tested it yet ourselves though". Thanks - hope that helps,
Excellent video! My only question is has anyone come up with a creative way to power on/off the power to the kit in conjunction with the AtGames Pinball machine?
Thank you! If you use a home assistant, like Alexa or Google you could use one of those WiFi power adapters connected to a power strip with the Amp/ALP connected to it. That would allow you to voice-control turning on/off. May be an option for you.
@@WagnersTechTalk Yes, I run Home Assistant at home and could plug the ALP, amp, and maybe even the PC into a smart plug. That might be better vs the amp getting power even when the table is powered off.
I've just upgraded my ALP with this kit. A big thank you Wagner for your guide without you and people like you in the channels it wouldn't be possible. It has transformed the haptics in the stock tables but the real advantage is visual pinball without a doubt. Before I wasn't impressed with VP as I couldn't feel any bumpers but with the upgrade the haptic/music speaker separation is just a massive game changer. I def owe you a pint if you're over here in England, cheers 🍻
Hi Jon, so happy you're enjoying the kit!! Definitely don't owe me a thing, I always appreciate a subscribe to the channel if you haven't already and interested in seeing more content like this. Totally agree, this is an incredible game changer for the ALP!
Thanks as always, Mr. Wagner - was able to get this set up in 45 mins with your help!
Very welcome Adam, happy to help!
Just installed this today and booooy what a difference it makes over the stock exciters... awesome mode and tutorial!
Thank you so much for your kind comment and sharing your experience! I agree about the difference, it's night and day.
Thank you. Just finished the install. I can confirm using the tape helps cut a clean hole for the cabling. I did the same on the rear panel for the cords there too. Appreciate the walk through. Life saver.
Very welcome, happy to hear it went smoothly for you! Great idea about the tape, I probably should have done that myself 😀
About a decade ago When i bought my first "larrge" (42" lol) flat panel TV i scoured the internet for days, prolly a week at least, to find a mount that'll allow me to tilt to portrait mode, primarily for vertical shooters as i was unaware of the existence of these electronic pinball tables, now i have all my fave's as a kid and while i don't play them as much as i did a few years ago, I still love their creation and my decision to have built a TV stand out of a solid 4"x4"x8' fence post stud with freekin portrait mode!!
Great vid as always Wagner's TechTalk. =D
That is awesome, 42" is a very nice size for portrait gaming! Appreciate you checking out the vid 👍😎
Hello Jon. Thanks to your channel I own a steam deck and play vpx on my ALP using the deck. It works great. I just installed this upgrade kit and I believe everything is working fine. I just wanted to check 1 thing. The only way I get the system working is by setting the table audio to "Primary Drive" and the backglass music to the HDMI. Also, I have the output on the deck settings set to the HDMI rather than speakers or headphones. I know that is different than you recommended on the video. Just checking to see if that seems appropriate with the deck . Thanks so much for all your videos!
Hello, thank you for your feedback! I wouldn't say the way I set it up is the only way to go, if you're getting the sound separation in VPX with your current configuration, it's likely just fine. The music coming through the ALP speakers and the playfield sounds through the haptics kit. The haptics kit makes a world of difference on the ALP doesn't it? I love it! I just got finished playing about 20 min. ago myself.
Thank you so much for this tutorial. I installed the haptic kit using your online instructions and this video. More UA-camrs need to take the time and do tutorials correctly. They skip steps and don’t talk to you about what may go wrong but you do. You talk about everything have good camera angles and zooms and actually show you step by step. Also I LOVE LOVE LOVE! my Atgames pinball now more than ever. I have Philip’s solenoid kit from Cleveland Software Design and this Haptics Kit installed. I’d say this is as close to the real thing as you can get with owning an Atgames Pinball for $800. Regular video pinballs can be $4000 and real pinball machine can be $6,000-$10,000. Keep up the good work Buystuffarcades! You and Wagner’s tech talk make gaming dreams come true!
Thank you so much for your kind comments, I'll make sure that BuyStuffArcades sees this. If you don't mind, I'm sure they would love to receive your review on their product page here too: www.buystuffarcades.com/products/alp-haptics-upgrade-kit Creating guides often takes longer than the videos, I greatly appreciate your comments!
@@WagnersTechTalk I totally understand the work you put in. I know editing takes forever but your tutorials will last for years to come. They are worth it. Thanks again
Did the review for them
@@8-bit_Informer Could you provide more info on the Philip's solernoid kit?
In the future if you put some masking tape on the wood before you drill through you will have nicer edges. Thanks for the guide, good job!!
Great tip, thank you and for your kind comment!
I haven't tried this mod yet, but I will save the video for when I do. You mentioned turning off the accelerometer which I never thought to try on the stock panel. That has solved my issue of turning up haptics and causing the "ghost nudge". Now I actually want to play this machine again!
At 10:33, you mentioned to plug in the 90 degree angled end of the short audio cable. I had no such cable with a 90 degree connection, so I just skipped that step altogether. I don't use the A/B switch at all.
There should have been a short 3.5mm audio cable included if you got the Deluxe Haptics Kit. If not, you may need to contact BSA (if you want one, that is). If you want to switch between the native ALP tables and the PC, you'll want it.
@@WagnersTechTalk I got two short 3.5mm cables; I still found that particular part of the video confusing. The rest was good.
ALSO, I didn't use the very long audio cable; I just went from the two-pronged white and red cable to the amplifier (AUX) connection. Does that sound right?
mr wagner I figured it out I had a connection loose on the motherboard going to the heptic thanks so much for your videos
Awesome, happy to hear you got it!
Nice Work from all concerned!
Much appreciated!
Hello there. I was wondering if you had any guidance specifically on the 4 speaker backbox setup. When my Deluxe Backbox 2.0 arrived, the bottom two speakers are wired directly into the amp in the backbox. However, the top two speakers are not connected to anything at all. I never realized over a whole year that these two speakers were not being used. This guide seems to be more for a two speaker setup and I can't find anyone, even BuyStuff, show how to connect the four speaker setup. I am connected to the mainboard of the ALP used the cables in the RCA harness. The top speakers have the same connecter as the RCA harness, but nowhere to plug them in. To provide some background, I recently upgraded my ALP playfield with an LG Ultragear. I have everything connected properly, but no sound. I'm wondering if these speakers not being connected is the reason for no sounds. Please give this some thought. I can share pictures or videos too. I appreciate any feedback you may have!
I never purchased the Deluxe Backbox myself, so unfortunately I have no experience with that aspect. Please reach out to BuyStuff Arcades for this question, I'm sure they'll be able to provide great assistance/service. You can reach them here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
Excellent review Jon, as always! Thanks so much for the careful and comprehensive guide and hope it will help many get more enjoyment out of their ALP!
Your haptics upgrade kit made an amazing difference on my ALP! I appreciate all the great work and design that went into making this kit available to the community.
Great review.
Thank you.
Much appreciated, thank you for watching!
I look forward to getting mine up and running sometime in the near future. This detailed easy to follow guide will make it relatively stress free!
Let me know your thoughts once you get it installed, love hearing the feedback! I think you're going to really enjoy it.
I've been going through your ALP videos as I have one coming on Saturday. I've been playing videogames since around 1989, and have always wanted a pinball table, but couldn't bring myself to get a full table. I'm thinking in the long run I'll be having a desktop computer living in the ALP and be doing a few of the upgrades you've gone over as then I'll have one table, which will function as MANY. Thanks for all of the information and you present it in a fantastic way.
You're very welcome Judson! I play my ALP usually daily here, that's 2 years after receiving it. There are so many great tables both on the platform and on PC. Lately I've been obsessed with trying to improve my leaderboard ranking on the Natural History tables. While enjoying the PC + Steam Deck via OTG also, there is so much fun to be had also with the tables from AtGames. I personally think the NH are must-have tables, they are so well-done and fun to play.
Thanks for the demo.. Mine is coming in tomorrow.. can't wait!!!!
Awesome, if you think about it, would be great to hear what you think after you get it installed!
@@WagnersTechTalk OK, again thanks for the tutorial, took me a bit longer to install, small screws older eyes.. now. im running vpx pretty much all the time, i previously hooked up a sub and speakers and thought it was a great upgrade - and it was, but after the bsa kit upgrade I'm blown away, no video will give you the correct feeling on this... the haptics are amazing.. with the better sound it was good but with the kit and hands on the pin it is another world... I love the sound controls, i adjust on the fly for certain tables, but i'm picky and is easy to do quickly, it's also a great upgrade if you only run alp tables but did not play many, i played one game before and after to have a fresh memory of play / sound.. the dayton upgrade is worth it for that alone... Final thoughts..Buy It!!!!
Very welcome for the tutorial, hope it was helpful to you! Totally understand about the small screws (same here). So happy to hear you love the kit, BSA did an amazing job putting it together!
@@paulkoslowTV are you still using your sub and speakers with the haptics upgrade or the alp speakers now? My kit just arrived and I’m excited to get started. I am running a sound bar and sub but am not sure which I’ll go with for sound.
I still don't understand how to connect the haptics amp to the Legends pinball. The video helped a lot already, ordered the BuyStuff haptics set and will have a look at my pinball connections tonight, maybe I'll understand then .
I see so many cables on the video that I don't have on my stock Legends pinball... it's confusing.
Also ordered a BackBox 2.0 with a VIBS but first, the haptics.
In addition to this video, there is a written guide here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Installation_Preparation with pictures. Please see the written guide also and let me know if you still have questions. Keep in mind, the video and guide only cover the stock backbox. I don't own the 2.0 backbox so any difference there won't be part of the guide nor the video.
@@WagnersTechTalk Hi Sir. Problem solved thanks to your tutorial. I just needed to focus a bit and listen to what you were saying. Awesome video.
Thanks a lot. Liked and subbed.
Excellent, great to hear you got it! Thank you kindly for your support, very much appreciated!
Thank you for the clear tutorial. However, I was searching and searching and I can't find something. Is there a plain wiring diagram with the product? Sometimes I just need an overview to see what I'm doing. Thanks
Very welcome, thanks for watching! I don't have a wiring diagram, may want to reach out to BSA here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
@@WagnersTechTalk nahhh. Im too excited for it to be up and running. Will probably have it all wired up before BSA even responds to their email. you'd think this was would come with all their packages of this nature? But oh well, Im already have way through, I just have to rewind on UA-cam over and over at times :). Thx again
They need to send you a upgraded backbox for your work and for me to see if I need it. Thank you for this video
That would be cool! Thank you for your kind comments and for checking out the vid.
You never covered the smaller single 3.5mm jack and ground loop isolator. Got to the end of the install and i'm staring at extra parts.
See 10:22 , the ground loop isolator is optional. Just plug the 3.5mm to the sound card on your PC the other end into the long 3.5mm cable going to the PC.
@@WagnersTechTalkhanks for the quick reply. That time stamp was my confusion. I plugged it in as instructed at the amp but the other end of that smaller jack wasn’t touched on in the video. I figured it went to the PC.
The only installation guide, and part instructions for this BSA kit is this video. BSA just points here. With a huge influx of ALP buyers over the holiday season Id make sure everything is covered.
But thanks for taking the time and effort to make the video. You’ve been a huge resource getting started with the ALP.
@@TheycalllmeTim Not much more to say about it, it's shown in the video and in the written version of the guide : wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Installation_Preparation . It's just a single A/B switch to direct the output from the stock or PC audio output through the haptics kit. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear.
Great video, gonna order this.
Question, it seems that you upgraded the stock speakers on the stock back box?
Mine have plastic covers over them, yours don’t.
Can anyone please recommend simple replacement speaker upgrades that will make a difference ?
Thank you
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Thank you, no the backglass speakers are factory.
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you for the quick response, should I assume then that since you haven’t upgraded them, you don’t think it’s worth upgrading them ?
Or is there something that is out there that might actually made a difference?
I can't say if it's worth it or not, I've not upgraded them so can't honestly draw any comparison. For me personally, the ALP HD puts out plenty of sound with the haptics kit installed. I mean, I can literally feel the floor thumping if I crank the amp up a bit. I don't see any reason to upgrade the stock backbox speakers myself.
Thank you
I am ordering the haptics kit now.
Thank you
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When you're setting up sound is the bass shaker going off during bumper, slingshot and, flipper effects? Have you noticed a deeper rolling ball sound on tables? Interested in how separating sound increases realism and wondering if it would be worth my while to setup a 5.1 system below and keep the 2 channel up top. Lol yeah I love sound.
I have, the sounds do seem much deeper which is adjustable on the amp to your preferences. I've cranked it up so loud my floor shakes, so yep definitely can feel the bass 😎
Just finished the installation but now I don’t have any haptics on either the stock or OTG tables. The amp also has lots of buzzing. Did I need to reconnect both cables (usb and audio) to the arcade control panel?
Please check with BSA on this, may be something wrong with the kit.
Very nice upgrade I think I am going to grab one. How did you get the VPX . and pinball fx3 not have flipper lag. I get it pretty bad using otg cable. I have rtx 4080 32gb ram 5800x3d cpu. I don't get lag if it connect straigt to regular 32" monitor not using the alp. Do I need a to use a power usb hub when connection to alp ?
On my machine, VPX and FX3 didn't have much flipper lag with j2k. However, recently I've been testing Pinball FX (latest version on Steam). With that, my PC did experience severe flipper lag. As a result, I tried another mapping tool and created a mapping configuration for it. Not only did it help with Pinball FX but FX3 and VPX also played a bit better. You can read more about how to set it up here if you want to try it out: wagnerstechtalk.com/alpfx/#Button_Mapping . Xpadder isn't free, it's $10, but for my setup was totally worth it.
@@WagnersTechTalk wow thanks a lot I'll give this a try hopefully this fixes it if not I'm just going to tear the whole thing down make a full PC build.
Hi Jon.
Super nice video.
I bought this to yesterday.
I live in the Netherlands so i dont know howlong it takes to recieve this upgrade. I have a mini pc with Headphone input 3.5. Can i use this for connecting the switch into the pc.?
Looking forward for this upgrade.
Thx for the great video.
Sorry for the slow response here, I was in Chicago at the time your message came in and got way behind answering comments. Did you get your kit and if so, how do you like it so far?
@@WagnersTechTalk
Hi Jon.
i have it all done now.
I ended up with 2 amps 4 exiters and two bass shakers..
All working great.
Now i feel and hear the tables.
Thank you for responding.. no problem..
Greetz..
@@bertplatini2249 Oh wow, that sounds great! Glad you're all up and running and enjoying the kit! BSA makes some awesome products.
Assume we can get this to hook up to OTG only? I have a soundbar. Maybe I can plug in thru the sub?
Stock tables and OTG sound great (shown in this video). You'd likely want their wiring harness, but may work fine through your soundbar/sub. Not something I've tried.
@@WagnersTechTalk thanks for your insight!
Very nice, i just got my ALP a couple days ago and the wife and i really enjoy it, once i get a PC and the Buystuff backbox i'm definitely going to be interested in upgrading the haptics. Thanks Wagner!
Very welcome and thanks for watching! When you are ready to begin exploring other features, this guide may be useful to you: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-mod1 . There is also a section on PC recommendations (see the grey box), the grey box has a link that will allow you to enter the PC specs and get a good idea of how it will perform with FX3. This guide covers a lot of ground and also the Arcade Control Panel (which I highly recommend), it will be on sale starting 6/16 (if interested): wagnerstechtalk.com/al-news/#June_2022
@@WagnersTechTalk Yup, i been to your page a few times, was waiting on the ALP to come to Best Buy all last month then finally caved and ordered direct last week lol.
Plan on getting the panel in 3 months or so during their next sale, thanks again!
Great, just wanted to make you aware of it. Not all sales include the ACP and I have no way of knowing until then.
Thank -You for making a detailed video does the heptic feedback and sound come through using the stock games on the ALP and Zac pac as well as tatio work with this set up without using a computer in the OTG mode I just purchased the Deluxe 2 speaker kit
Very welcome. Yes, all tables have the haptic feedback.
I was wandering that the computer I'm using for the ALP when I"m changing the settings to play FX3 and Virtual pinball when its not plugged in to the ALP will the settings go back to way I had before hooking it up to the ALP I'm using my home computer for it and can't buy a computer dedicated just for the ALP right now I just got FX3 playing the tables and fixing to install this deluxe upgrade kit and have to learn to do vpx and future pinball tutorial from your videos
I've used a PC and Steam Deck connected to the ALP, on both machines it does recall the settings when plugged in.
Great video as always. I connected it and it seems to work correctly for some VPX tables and others it is not working correctly. Like the audio is changing from back box and the exciters. Kind is strange. When it works right it is awesome. But would love to turn up the volume on the back box a little louder. Any suggestions on the mentioned issues? Thank you!
I've not seen (heard) the issue you mention myself. It may be something you'll want to check with BuyStuffArcades about. When you get a response from them, let me know the results. Is the issue when you switch from VPX to FP, some VPX tables or some FP tables?
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you. Will do. No, it’s only VPX. For example, the sponge Bob table works fantastic. Sounds are coming in correctly. But when I played the new Megadeth table the music comes from up front by three flippers. So the sound is not separate. I checked the sound configuration and it’s setup the same as sponge bob. It seems like when it works the invidea logo pops up on the playfield then disappears. I hear a pop of sound when these changes happen. Also noticed that during the menu screen in pinup popper the sounds are only coming up front as well and not separate. I may have to see how to fix that. But it doesn’t sound good.
This sadly does not work with the ALP micro according to BSA, if anyone was wondering. I could not go back to using my standard ALP without it, though. It's been fantastic.
Bummer it doesn't work with the micro, thanks for sharing this information. It is great for the ALP HD imo.
Thanks for all you do! Your videos are most helpful and fun.
@@crashthevacuum Happy to hear you're enjoying the content, thank you so much!
Hey ! Any tips for buzzing speakers ? Nudge adjusting the volume is the setting or something ? It’s a low buzz but still irritating. Thx
Was the buzzing occurring before adding the kit? If not, please check with Buy Stuff Arcades. There could be a different vendor being used for the amp/speakers. Also, make sure you're using the ground loop isolator that was included between the PC and the 3.5mm cable going to the amp.
@@WagnersTechTalk my cab is stock , the speakers have a buzz , some might not notice but it does bother me a bit . You can hear it more at quiet volumes and on more quiet tables. Maybe there is an adjustment? I have heard others with the same issue . I’m playing skit since getting the zaccaria tables ! These are way better quality than any of the other tables I find. Any ideas ?
Thank you so much for the awesome guide! Will this kit work with running Pinball FX?
It will work, however you won't have the audio separation like you would in VPX. At least, as far as I know. You may want to check with BuyStuffArcades to verify that, I could be wrong.
Since the bottom of the cabinet is cheap MDF, won't it just be a matter of time before the weight and vibration of the woofer strips those screws out and drop your speaker to the floor? Is it not possible to mount the woofer inside the cabinet? Bass and sub-bass sounds are omnidirectional, thus can be placed anywhere to have some effect.
It's MDF, not cheap. It's actually pretty thick (I think 3/4"). I bought a sheet a few years ago 8'x6' was $80. Pretty sure the bass shaker won't be coming loose anytime. However, if you want to mount it inside totally up to you. You may want to check with BSA for their recommendations on placement. What you saw in this video was based on their recommendations.
@@WagnersTechTalk When I say cheap MDF I mean in comparison to 3/4" Baltic Birch plywood. Vibrations loosen sawdust and glue over time. But i guess it depends the quality of the MDF and how often and loud you operate the pin.
@@LetsDoEntertainment Gotcha, so far no rattling here and I do crank 'er up!
Merry Christmas to me! I'll be ordering this kit on Friday. I always love your videos. The straightforward, step-by-step instruction is most appreciated! Thank you.
Merry Christmas to you, you're definitely going to enjoy it! It's the gift that lasts all year round 😎 Thanks so much for your kind comments, once you get it installed drop me a note on what you think of it.
@@WagnersTechTalk I will definitely do that!
Hi there! I have a KL25Z board on the way that I intend to use for nudging in OTG. You mentioned that the haptics upgrade interferes with the stock accelerometer so I'm wondering it would also interfere with the KL25Z accelerometer? I'd love to install both!
I'm not familiar with the KL25Z board, you may want to check with BSA here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us . They may have more information they can share than I currently have.
@@WagnersTechTalk Will do! Thank you!
Just a quick update for anyone passing through wondering the same. I completed installation of both the KL25Z board with Pinscape software for nudging in OTG and the haptics upgrade kit and I'm happy to report no interaction between the two! I have fairly sensitive settings for nudging in VPX and I can still crank the haptics volume all the way up, and it doesn't set off the accelerometer at all.
So I’ve installed the kit using this guide, thanks for the wonderful video. I’m having a weird issue and I’m not sure if it’s supposed to be like this, but it seems the alp is routing music to one of the exciters. If I’d use the switch, it runs music only on the left exciter, and if i bypass the switch and directly plug into the amp, it pumps the music into the right? Any reason or fix behind this?
Definitely check with BuyStuffArcade, they'll be able to help troubleshoot better than I can. This isn't an issue I've encountered nor had mentioned to me. Sorry I'm not much help, it may be something wired wrong.
@@WagnersTechTalk yeah so this seems to be a continuation of an issue that came up a few years back where these systems were sending audio to the exciters for some reason, either a software or hardware issue or both. Seems I still have that problem as I recall looking this up using the stock pad and exciters back then.
Can the accelerometer be used in OTG mode in Pinup Popper while using this kit?
You may want to check with BuyStuffArcades directly on this question.
Thank you so much for sharing this information. Your videos are both helpful and well produced and well written.
Very welcome, thank you for your kind words and support!
Hi Jon.
I installed the same buystuff deluxe haptics kit for alp yesterday.
Its sounds really good.
Good sound from the exiters but no feedback, rumble. Only the bass shaker does the vibration.
I dont know its me who has done something wrong or the exiters are only for music. Got no bass and rumble vibration. I Hope you maybe have a solution here.? Thx for the video..
If using VPX, here's some more information on the haptics setup: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Option_1_Haptic_Effects
Hi Jon. Thx for reply .
The switch working good.
When i push the button the otg sound works. When i push the button again i got the alp tables working with sound. So its all working.. but on both options only the shaker rumbles and not the exiters. They just give me sound and no vibration. I checked all the wires and vpx options, they all work good. Music from the backbox speakers and effects from the shaker and exiters. But again the exiters give only sound and no vibrations.
After installed the kit, I lost all in game sound effects, meaning I don't hear the flippers/bumper or mechanics of the game like I did prior to the install. Any idea how to fix that? I followed the directions as you showed.
Sounds like a cable problem. Check with buystuffarcades for that, please.
I figured out my problem. The speaker selection under "General output Sound Option" needed to stay as Primary Sound Driver for me. Thanks again for your video!
Ah, forgot about that! My apologies for not thinking about it earlier. Always welcome, thank you for watching!
do you know what the amp model is that buystuff arcade is using in the atgames pro haptic kit? want to read reviews but no one has done videos or reviews of it .
I just know it's a TB21 AMP.
nice work on the video! would be looking to upgrade my ALP feedback. Question doesnt all sound comes out of left channel only? (atgames design)
Thank you and Great question! I asked BSA, whatever stereo sounds are programmed, the haptics kit will now represent. The built in haptics are just a mono channel. I've also added your question and BSA's response here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Q_A
Very detailed assembly and review. Good job John!!
Thank you so much Mike!
Where does the ground loop isolator go?
I plugged it into the audio-out jack on the PC, then the 3.5mm cable into it.
I have really bad buzz even on low haptic setting with stock - will this kit have the same issue?
May want to check with BSA on that question. I can't verify either way as I don't experience any buzzing.
So do you have to have a switcher attached?
As someone who’s going to be using stock ALP and attached pc, I was curious…especially since I noticed they offer a standard version without the switcher for $20 less.
I do, it's basically just a small A/B push button switch.
Does anyone know if this works with the ALP Micro?
Please check with BuyStuffArcades on this question, I'm not sure.
i was given the wire bundle from someone online who had extra, and bought the other bits i needed (switch, groundloop, speakers, bass, amp) but i don't have that little plastic connector thing for the bass puck. What is that? Do i need it?
Are you talking about the button switch? It's needed to switch between the internal tables vs PC. More here, if needed: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Deluxe_Kit_Components
@@WagnersTechTalk ah nope, i ordered that. The little plastic terminal thing attached to the bass transducer. I don't have one of those. I assume i can just connect the wires with a crimp connector or electrical tape or what have you?
Check with BuyStuffArcades here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us , they may be able to support you with whatever is needed. They have been amazing to work with on this project and they may be able to help more so than I.
I was trying to install some exciters with a basic 2.1 amp but only get static. I think the motherboard isn’t doing its thing with the subwoofer output. Multimeter reads 25 volts. Have you ever tested the electrical output of that output?
I have not, you may want to contact BSA here they may have: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
So could you upgrade the back box speakers and run them on the included amp also? I'm looking at low profile kickers
It's not something I've done, honestly can't answer that. I don't think you would want to, otherwise you may lose the separation in VPX that makes this kit so awesome.
Interesting. I'll have to think on it. I feel like the speakers kinda bad..thanks for the reponse
I have the gotlib tables working correctly but the flippers don't vibrate when I'm on FX3 games not sure why it works on tables but not the other any thoughts
My guess is that you didn't press the A/B switch button. Please see here for more : wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Pinball_FX3
Any idea where to put the ground loop isolator that is coming with these kits now?
Yes, plug it directly into the PC and the female end to the cable going to the switchbox. Should be good to go.
Hey Wagner! Is it possible to install the sub inside the machine instead of underneath, so that the hole I drill can be in the back of the cabinet?
Great video!
I went by the recommendation from BuyStuffArcades, you may want to check with them on that if anything has changed. www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
I was wandering if you help me I installed the deluxe pinball shaker from buy stuff store I installed it what my problem is the flippers I cant feel the heptic feed back on them when you hit the ball it seems like the shaker is making all the noise I am using the upgrade joystic and trackball for the ALP I left that wire off like said for the flipers I have the game running computer not hooked up yet just trying out the Gotleb tables I have my hand on the dayton exciters I feel music coming out of them but I cant feel the bump when you hit ball or is the bass shaker suppose to that I did turn off the heptic like you said because it was tilting and push the red button in thank you
I picked up a used ALP with the haptic kit but is missing the power supply. What are the specs on the one that comes with it so I can find a replacement? Think I have some 12v 2a laying around. Will that work or does the amp need to be higher?
What's missing the power supply the ALP or the AMP? If it's the AMP, I show it in this video.
The MT21 amp. 12v 3a, how did I miss that? I’ve watched this dozens of times. 👨🦯 Thank you.
It's all good, whenever I review something I always take a close up of the power supply for this very reason (incase a replacement is needed).
Do the haptics and stuff also work on FX3? So you can feel the bumpers etc?
The separation, like you have with VPX, isn't there with FX3. It sounds great, but the music, effects, etc. all come through the same channels. Where with VPX, the music plays through the ALP speakers and the bumpers, ball rolling, etc. come through the haptics. It sounds much better than the stock speakers, however.
Do you feel the ball rolling after this upgrade?
Dude, my floor shakes after this upgrade. I feel everything lol
I can't get to the accelerator setting. It only allows me to switch the haptic strength?
Please see here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Option_1_Turn_Accelerometer_Off
Hi, just got this and getting strong feedback once i plug in RCA plugs into the custom splitter piece. I know the speakers and sub are wired correctly because I tried the PC settings off an iPhone to make sure the sound was coming through. For some reason when I try and use the table sound it pushes back strong feedback. Any suggestions?
Interesting, I assume you tried turning down the main volume on the ALP and the amp correct? When you say feedback, if it's a hissing/noise sound use the ground loop isolator that was included in the kit between the audio jack on the PC and the connection to the ALP. That 'should' fix it. If not, might need to ask BuyStuffArcades directly, don't want to send you in the wrong direction.
Got it corrected, the RCA cord cable that goes to amp is defective. Had an extra one around the house replaced it and sounds great now
Haptics only work with at games tables and work with fx3 games or any other non-at games table games?
They work great with vpx also wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Visual_Pinball_X
Very well done.
Thank you kindly!
I wish there was a way to do his and not have to disable the accelerometer. I had done a exciter upgrade back in the very early days and pretty much disabled them a week later because I wanted a real nudge.
May want to check with BSA, they may have some suggestions on that. I've not asked in quite sometime myself.
Can you use this on 1up arcade pins
I'm thinking likely not as-is. Check with BSA here for the official answer: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
Can you mount the bass shaker on the inside facing down?
May want to check with BuyStuffArcades on that question (don't want to tell you wrong). I based this install on their recommendations.
Fantastic tutorial, thanks for sharing! I had purchased the slim HDMI and USB cables a few days ago, should have thrown in this kit as well, haha. I have the solenoid kit from Cleveland Software on the way, would this compliment the Buy Stuff Arcade's Haptic upgrade? If I install the solenoids to be near the flippers, would the upgraded exciters be beneficial at the bottom of the cab?
Much appreciated, happy it was helpful! I don't own the solenoid kit so I can't say with 100% certainty, but I would guess it would just further enhance the kit. You may want to contact BuyStuffArcades from the link in the video description to double-check this. Also, I think they are planning their own SSF option but not sure if that will also include solenoids.
I think Im just going to install the datona exciters. Can you feel a difference with just those?
I obviously used the entire kit, with the amp. Without the amp and bass shaker, I don't have any idea if you will notice much of an improvement. The Dayton bass shaker is really what makes a huge impact. The Dayton exciters do as well, but the bass shaker is definitely the most prominent improvement (IMO).
Hello. I installed the upgrade kit but it gives me problems. When I turn on the amplifier and turn up the volume, a buzz sounds and also neither the subwoofer nor the exciters respond to the movements of the ball, only sound comes out of the ALP speakers. I followed all the steps in the tutorial but I can't find the problem. Greetings from Spain.
If you have another RCA cable, perhaps try that. I think one viewer received a bad cable, had one on hand and it fixed the issue.
@@WagnersTechTalk Fixed up. As you said, the RCA cable was the problem. Thank you very much to you and your channel.
@@salvaprosper3818 Awesome news, glad you're up and running (pretty amazing kit isn't it!) I very much appreciate your support, enjoy playing virtual pinball in style!
Extremely well done tutorial and video as well. Always look forward to your articles and videos. Keep up the excellent work! I am an owner of the deluxe backbox, and definitely picking up this haptics kit!
Very much appreciate your kind words Jason, this kit is a night and day difference -especially with VPX!
@@WagnersTechTalk I can't fricken' wait!
Got mine installed and it does sound great. However, I hardly have any sound coming from the alp speakers in otg vpx. I’ve made sure they’re turned up in windows and in the vpx settings but can’t figure it out. The music is very faint coming from the alp speakers. I followed everything else. I can get the music louder if i set it to come from the haptics kit. Any tips on what I’m doing wrong?
Please see 15:20 and adjust the bottom slider if needed to increase the audio level. That's likely what needs adjusting.
Thanks for your quick response! I do have those set right. I’ve seen every bit of your video several times at this point😆. Everything still sounds good, just nothing from those back alp speakers except some low bass. I’m assuming/hoping if I actually get it right, it’ll sound even better and perhaps there will be more of a distinction amongst the sounds. The way it is now I don’t feel much going on in the flippers. I think there’s supposed to be a bit more distinct thump when hitting them. I’ll keep tweaking but I think I’ve tried everything I can think of. Thanks again.
You should definitely feel the flippers+bass shaker. If you're not, there is something we're missing. You may want to ask your question to BSA here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us . Maybe there is something I'm not seeing from your question that they may pick up on.
All I get is buzzing sound through the exciters. How do I sort this out?
It could be a number of things: wired incorrectly, defect in the adapter/amp, ground loop isolator not connected, etc. For the best support, I'd recommend contacting BSA directly here: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you for your reply I figured it out. Aux cable wasn’t pushed all the way in.
I have a constant loud rumbling after installing this. I installed it step by step watching your video, so i don't know what i did wrong. Any ideas?
Someone else had a similar issue. Make sure all the audio cables are fully plugged in. I think that was the issue that individual had, went back and made sure each was fully seated and that fixed the issue. If it's the same for you let me know and I'll add it to the troubleshooting.
Ok I'll check all the cables and let you know. Thanks!
Mine ended up being the switch. If I bypass the switch, everything works fine.
Got it, give BSA a shout, I'm sure they'll be able to help you with that.
Hi Wagner, I'm about to buy a deluxe backbox and the haptic kit from buystuffarcade. I also plan to purchase a computer to play pinball on the PC. This will be my first time playing pinball on PC. Can you suggest a good PC to purchase for the project to link it to my AT Pinball? Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi Von, I have some recommendations here if interested: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-mod1/#Suggestions The first one is the Dell I purchased and is no longer available. The 2nd is still available, has great reviews and would be the one I'd likely buy today if I needed one. Hope this helps!
Will this work on the ALP Micro?
Please check with Buy Stuff Stores on this question, it was designed for the ALP HD. Not sure that it would work with the micro.
Can I put the shaker inside instead of outside the playfield? Would it make any difference?
I went by the recommendations from BSA. You may want to check with them as I've not tried the bass shaker inside the cabinet.
Ok thank!
do you export? do i need a board already? id like to import board, shaker, ssf e leds related to gameplay. please help me out
I create UA-cam videos and written guides, no I'm not an exporter of stuff.
Will this work on the pinball micro?
I'm not sure, you may want to check with BuyStuffArcades on that one.
Can this kit be used for the ALP Micro?
I've only used it with the ALP, please check with BSA here on this question: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us . I don't want to tell you wrong.
@@WagnersTechTalkis there a way to locate the where the speakers are running to on the board? I was thinking of maybe running an audio splitter just to power a bass shaker not upgrading the haptics.
The haptics kit includes a harness cable for the audio which would be needed (and can be purchased separately, I think). I'm not sure that it is compatible with the micro. Please check with BSA from the link above.
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you I just sent them an email. I love all your vids!
Thank you, I appreciate your kind support!
i would put spades and round crimp terminals on all of these wires
I appreciate your recommendation and feedback!
Love this ! Great video - it will come in handy when I purchase this option.
Thank you, happy it was helpful!
Could I use this on my cab that isn't the alp??
You could likely use the amp, exciters, etc. but the wiring harness included in this kit is for the ALP-only and really where most of the magic happens. Not sure what cabinet you had in mind, but you can reach out to BuyStuffArcades ( www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us ) and they may be able to recommend something.
Great video ! I really appreciate the high level of detail! I've been in the IT industry for quite a long time, so detail really matters! I'm not sure if I'm adventurous enough to drill into the ATG and do all of these upgrades, but it's nice to see it done anyway :)
Thank you for your kind comments and for watching! The guide and video will always be here if you change your mind. I recall buying a book years ago on building a MAME home arcade. The idea scared/excited the heck out of me, I had virtually no woodworking experience at the time. Eventually, I went out and bought some MDF sheets, sketched out a bar top cabinet design and built my first cabinet. Looking back, I just wish I had started sooner messing with this stuff. Not sure if any of that is helpful or I'm just rambling 😀
I really enjoy your videos. It is impressive how creative one can. be if one is determined! I guess I'm haven't reached that level of determination. I do stuff at home that certainly takes me out of my comfort zone. Just a couple of months ago I had to change out a fog light assembly on my car. It was complex because it was light is behind a wheel well, and you can't get to it unless you have a car lift or jack the car up and remove the wheel. I have some background from back in the day of being a vehicle mechanic in the US Army... So after watching a few UA-cam videos, I took the leap of faith, bought a hydraulic jack, jack up the car up, block the wheels etc. And finally, was able to remove the wheel, get the wheel well out enough to where I can reach in and get the fog light assembly removed and a new one installed. But it's not a skill set that I do day in and day out, but when it's gotta get done.... So, when it comes to my ATG, I'd much rather it be ready to go when I want to use. As opposed to turning "Mod'ing" the ATG into a hobby. Don't get me wrong, I admire what you guys do. Just think until it gets a little bit more plug-and-play, I'll be sitting on the sidelines :)
@@atguru lol, totally get it! Working on cars is definitely not my strongpoint. Little things I'm fine with but with what you described, you're way ahead of me on the automotive-side! Have an awesome weekend!
Awesome.
When you say youre not connecting the original ALP haptics at the end, do you mean one *must not* (due to impedance of whatever), or you simply didn't feel the need to?
Got the haptics installed today (thank you for this super helpful video!!!), and I wouldn't mind keeping the ALP haptics to add a little further to the experience, since I got those nicely under control via the old sticky tape method.
But of course I don't want to short circuit my machine due to some inoendance mismatch or else, so I thought I'd ask first.
Also... Anyone got a good tip for an idiot like me how to reconnect a speaker cable that slid out a solenoid that's already glued to the side of the cabinet? 😅 For the life of me, I can't reach it, but removing the solenoid to reconnect would probably mess up the double sided sticky tape, no?
I'm so stupid 🙄
Very welcome, thank you for watching! You can double-check with Buy Stuff Store/Arcade, but they recommended to me that it wasn't needed and to leave it disconnected. I went with their recommendation.
@@WagnersTechTalk will do, thanks!
I'm definitely picking this upgrade up. I previously replaced the stock exciters with two small dayton exciters, which did help a lot, but I have been looking for something with more oomf and in an easy to install package.
One question though. You mentioned you had to disable the built-in accelerometer. Can it be moved and mounted to another spot in the cabinet to avoid the tilt issue? Maybe hanging in the middle with some foam backing to dampen the bass? I only ask since I had to disable the tilt buttons on the side since my young kids accidentally press them and tilt the table while they play even when being aware of hand placement. Heck, even our adult friends have this issue too. Thanks for another great video!
BSA is going to do more investigation into the accelerometer and let me know. Once they do, I'll try it, update the guide and there may be a follow-up video if significant. One thing that others have mentioned was to place the two front dayton exciters on the bottom-side of the cabinet. I've not personally tried that yet. Check the change log periodically on the guide page for any updates.
Wagner's TechTalk,
I always really appreciate your videos showing solutions to home arcade products such as the AtGames Legends Pinball. It's crazy to think that AtGames still hasn't fixed the sound issues with their Legends Pinball, especially the haptics, which are currently unplugged on my machine. It sounds like this kit may fix that. However, this particular kit is unfortunately way to complicated for me, but I do appreciate you showing it off. Although I don't enjoy modding myself, I do like watching modders make these products better and also love companies selling these solutions. For me, I'd need to have something so simple, like a self contained box with everything already installed within it, with one connection port to connect the exciter wire from the control deck into. I know the chances of that are next to nil, but yeah, not my wheelhouse.
Thanks for all that you do!
vgv
Thank you vgv, I appreciate your kind comments and perspective. The installation was actually very easy, but I totally get it. There are a few steps, of course, but was fun to install. Even my 16 year-old son wanted to jump in and help which made it even more enjoyable. I hope that it helps others interested in doing the same and planning to create more videos like this in the future. Maybe the next one you'll find more of interest. Again, thank you for your feedback and comments!
Would this work cohesively with solenoids?
I've not used solenoids myself, but others have.
And actually they used a guitar string to make the water move in the cup in Jurassic Park.
Hi Al, you are 100% correct! I put that blurb in there for the FIRST person to correct me and you win. I'll be sending over some Wagner's TechTalk stickers and a sealed game for the Evercade to you (The Oliver Twins), if interested. You can find my e-mail address here: wagnerstechtalk.com/contact . Please include your mailing address and I will ship it to you this week.
Exactly what I was looking for thank you!
Glad I could help!
Excellent tutorial as I am recently got an ALP and am ordering this kit. My question is why not put the bass shaker inside the cab on the bottom versus on the outer underside? Thanks
My honest answer, because that is how it was recommended to me by BuyStuff Arcades (they tested far more mounting options than I did). My theory is that you'll get much better sound having it mounted externally, inside you'll likely just get a lot of muffled vibration rather than clear audio. I've not tried it internally and happy with the sound mounted below. But, if you try it, I'd very much like to hear your experience! Thank you for your kind comment regarding the tutorial!
does this mess with the tiltmeter?
In this video, I disconnected the accelerometer.
Amazing video. As always. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you Boomer Bob!
BOUGHT! Thanks for this walk through. It was fantastic and also gave me the "nudge" I needed to upgrade. :P
Looking forward to setting this up!
Awesome and congrats!! When you get it installed, please let me know your thoughts of the kit. If I can be assistance, just let me know. I think everything is covered in the guide+video but always looking to improve them.
@@WagnersTechTalk Will do. I'm particularly interested in getting this up and running in OTG so I can play Visual Pinball tables properly. I do have a quick question for you though, now that you mention it. When you were explaining how to set up the audio in Visual Pinball, you loaded up a table and configured it in the table settings. I'm assuming when you make this change it applies to ALL tables though, correct?
Yes it does, I'll clarify that in the Q&A section.
@@WagnersTechTalk great. Thanks for the response! Cheers
Can I install a shaker motor with this?
A bass shaker was included with this kit. For something else, please ask BuyStuff Arcades, this is all I added to my ALP.
I’m referring to the much larger one with the plastic white cover that has a spin motor in it. They sell from $99.00 - to about $177.00. The reason I’m asking is because I have one of those and wanted to know if it was compatible with this equipment- but Thanks anyway for the advice!
Gotcha, yes BSA would be the best one to ask.
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I put bass shakers in my couch and the water test didnt work for me either lol
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As many have stated already great video and thank you! I have purchased the Buy Stuff Arcades Haptics Upgrade Kit and I am very pleased with the performance of it on the pre-installed tables and Pinball FX3. I have installed Pinup Popper Baller and began working with the the pre-installed VPX table Leprechaun King. If I have both the sound effects and music running through HDMI, I can hear everything. When I attempt to isolate the sound effects to the PC motherboard's Realtek HD Audio output, I can hear the music through the HDMI but no sound effects. Where should I begin the troubleshooting process? Could it be a harness problem or is it software related? PC is Windows 11.
Thank you Clint! What may be missing is this: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-haptics/#Option_1_Haptic_Effects
@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you for your prompt response! Option 1 is indeed what I am going after but when using this appoach, I do not have audio through the Realtek HD audio for the sound effects using the option 1 settings in VPX. Using option 1, I have music playing through the back box speakers and nothing coming from the shaker and exciters. I guess my first question should have been what Windows audio device should be set as default output in Windows? Currently have the Nvidia HDMI audio out as default.
Did you toggle the A/B audio switch - Maybe that was forgotten?
@@WagnersTechTalk I have. I removed the ground loop isolator and I now have audio through both sources as intended.
Ok, just so I'm sure it's working well now? An issue with the ground loop isolator? You can reach out to BuyStuffArcades if a replacement is needed. Side Note: I've also bought a few from here : amzn.to/3Sbze6d . I've used them in the past with my Jeep a few years ago when connecting an Alexa (Roav Viva) to the AUX-in of of the stereo. They do substantially help improve the audio hissing that you may hear on some devices due to interference (the engine of the vehicle in my case). May be fine without it, but if you hear any audio distortion, then one may be needed.
Great video as per usual just one question is it possible to place the excitors on the bottom of the wooden cabinet rather than on the side below the flippers not to set off the accelerometers? Just thinking of a way not to have to turn them off
Hi Jon, I personally haven't tried that. It "might" work. I've asked BSA for recommendations on that myself. You may want to ask them directly, I've not asked the question lately: www.buystuffarcades.com/pages/contact-us If you receive a recommendation, please let me know what they say.
@@WagnersTechTalk
Yes I got a reply from BSA they responded with;
"It’s actually the bass shaker that is more prone to setting the accelerometer off than the exciters. The exciters use the entire side panel for resonance, so we don’t recommend moving them as it will conflict with the bass shaker frequencies.
We think the best probable solution is relocating the accelerometer further back in the cabinet and some people are going to be testing that. We haven’t tested it yet ourselves though".
Thanks - hope that helps,
Excellent video! My only question is has anyone come up with a creative way to power on/off the power to the kit in conjunction with the AtGames Pinball machine?
Thank you! If you use a home assistant, like Alexa or Google you could use one of those WiFi power adapters connected to a power strip with the Amp/ALP connected to it. That would allow you to voice-control turning on/off. May be an option for you.
@@WagnersTechTalk Yes, I run Home Assistant at home and could plug the ALP, amp, and maybe even the PC into a smart plug. That might be better vs the amp getting power even when the table is powered off.