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Building the worlds most difficult Warhammer model!
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2021
- I spent the last week trying to build the worlds most expensive and difficult warhammer model, the 1997 metal thunderhawk.
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@@dannyeccles1894 or brazing?
@@dannyeccles1894 I prefer Tamiya's putty for that.
How much does it weight??
Better order that Manta mate.
Good luck with the manta! 😂 20k+ as I type this.
Waiting for the Manta video now lol
Here you go Emil:
www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-SE/Tau-Manta 😉
Manta manta manta
Yeyyy!!!!🥰🥰🥰
Nice.
Yeahr where is it?
The Thunderhawk is cool and all, but I'm almost more jealous that you have people there to help you! This lockdown has been LONELY. Penny hates building things and my dog is really bad at it.
💔 Once this is over man, tea is on me!
That poor dog. They're all thumbs when it comes to those malifaux miniatures, too.
At some point you can ask the twins🙂
I good at chew minis 🐶🥰
@@pavma7 midwinters is playing the long game you know
Hello Squidmar, interesting video, some background on the Thunderhawk, it was part as you know of the full chapter project GW did for Games day, (originally conceived by John Stallard) elements of the whole of GW contributed. The Factory assisted by designing the Thunderhawk and Tim was the primary sculptor. We made three originally but they were not intended for general release. However Tom Kirby the then CEO/ General Manager asked us to make it a unique product, wooden box, burnt/ embossed wording etc.
The Ownership document has a version of my signature as a certificate of authenticity, the model was designed to be built from the inside out, you may have noticed the holes in the internal frames, these have the brass rods passed through to give strength, then the side panels are added and so on. There were at approximately 500 made but I do not know the exact amount as I moved on after founding Forgeworld.
The Aquila were existing GW badges re-purposed, both for the model and box.
The internal details were based on Jaguar and F15 details
GW: look it costs $400, most of the pieces are bent and some of them dont fit together properly because they shrunk. youll figure it out though if you really want it
You could have soldered it together , model locomotive kits are often made of white metal and soldered with low melt solder , this is nice and strong
was thinking the same, or just weld it togheter
Epoxy take too long to dry, 79,95 for epoxy... dude.. Use superglue its faster and better. Too Thin to drill, no there not, get smaller drill. Damn he how many friend you need build one Thunderhawk..
@@MrThamus in my experience, epoxy works way better than ca glue for bigger models, especially for those that are heavy.
JB weld
@@smallhammer9985 Welding would be too hot for this
Can’t help but feel like this is the kind of project you solder together rather than glue 😂
Yep, the glue will eventually fail over time due to heat and handling. Soldering will probably never fail if done correctly. But practice on cheaper models would be essential.
Solder or spot weld.
I was about to say the same thing- hard mode activated by choosing to NOT solder.
First thing that came to my mind as well
my thoughts exactly. but there is a learning curve that would take a bit for him to adjust to.
Man, I've met a few people who are nostalgic for the days of metal models, but damn, I do not miss having to file, sand, pin, and gap-fill models that had poor fits. I started having PTSD.
man the build up to what the model actually was was disappointing as hell.
"whoah it wasnt meant to be sold, its the most difficult and expensive thing to build!"
And you end up with an all metal generic Star Wars ship with some WH40k greebling.
An old friend of mine got one of these a few months ago, after coveting it since we were kids. His reaction was to open the box, look at all the pieces, decide life was too short, and put it on a shelf to be sold on at a later date.
Get him to 20k likes I wanna see him struggle with a manta 😂😂
If everyone liked the vid we'd have the manta
I want it too
The Manta is such a sick model.
33k views and 5.7k likes when the video was uploaded two hours ago... it’s happening! Will hit the target within 24 hours easy at this rate.
Fellow Justin, I too want to see this
Imagine accidentally knocking that over while playing and creating a crater in the floor of your buddy’s place
The model would absolutely explode too, that would be a sad mistake.
I just want to see that happen. For science!
@@linkofvev I saw it happen to my friend's Ultrasmurf one - it was glorious!
In most cases, the repair to the floor would be cheaper than the model, too.
I don't play 40k, I don't paint anything, heck dont even own any minis but. I really like you channel and find myself watching more and more.
Bra jobbat Emil! Keep up the good work!
Maybe you can use something to stuff the inside of the model, some kind of skeleton, so the weight of the structure is supported by the material inside the model instead of the other metal pieces. Some styrofoam or some wood, you can also pin those internal pieces together to add even more support to the model.
He could also try JB Weld on the inside at the seams.
@@venge1894 JB Weld and Pins were the only thing that made my metal Bloodthirsters wings even consider staying on
Honestly I'd consider silver solder
Is there expanding foam that could fill the space and pull it together?
@@Slaave There might be problems with inconsistent alloy composition causing areas with higher and lower melting points, running the risk of literally melting a hole in your model, and the level of precision you'd need to employ with a soldering iron for that kind of work would require someone as skilled as my father was at his peak as an electrical engineer back in the 70's, 80's and 90's. But if you could pull that off, HAH, you'd have a rock solid mini
It's very considerate of them that they didn't leave any of the casting to you to do.
right? half of these parts could've been shouldered and braced in the casting process. this is so lazy.
Pretty sure 3d printed parts look better that this...
@@comethiburs2326 Not to mention the quality control and engineering in general was non existent. He even pointed both out with the statement "I've never seen this with metal minis before" and when they had to add their own supports. Casting errors happen, sure. But thats on the maker, not the consumer, and they have reject bins for a reason. These parts were literally out of spec. And the fact that it broke because it needed additional support was evidence the manufacturer either had no idea what they were doing or didn't care.
This is definitely a case of "Oh its expensive in a fancy box, it MUST be good". The box was the only thing here I would want. This was trash in a fancy wrapping, and I hope this dude gets enough money off this video to cover the labor cost for three guys for four days.
@@MrRyumaru it was never meant to be sold, they were spun up for a Games day project and then was sold as a special with the specific understanding it was near impossible to assemble. They also weren't limited.....
@@wayneelliott8277 I agree the youtuber should have provided that context, but it really doesn't change anything I said. This thing is a poorly made product in a fancy box. I'll say the company might be honest about that, but it doesn't make it any less true.
This is a huge amount of effort to go to for nostalgia - What a monumental effort, well done! You have assembled proof that miniatures have become far better designed in the last 30 years ;p
Great job on the assembly, but lordy that's an ugly model hahahaha. Kudos broski, thanks for putting in the effort and showing us what this thing actually looks like :-)
You saying my gf is ugly? 😭
@@SquidmarMiniatures it’s okay I think she’s pretty
i agree, its a cool model but its ugly as hell lol.
It's almost like its seen many battles over hundreds/thousands of years.
@@SquidmarMiniatures she's pretty on the inside? :D
Extra strong Araldite is the product you were looking for. Couple drops of that stuff can hold a man up
It held my marriage
Squidmar's channel is about to become him putting together difficult models for the amusement of his fans. Great video man!
The editing tho. Seamless transitions, jumpcuts - I am impressed, and I like especially, that you do the same thing I try - being a "cool nerd". Well done, and thanks for all the countless good advice about how to start painting. I just start, and I appreciate it a lot :)
Ahh the good old days when GW said 'just buy jeweler's tools, don't you knw what pin-vice is?"
Part of me thinks I might have become a jeweler just to make my hobbying easier
I remember going onto forgeworld in highschool and loosing my mind at the cost and size of the manta. I mean I felt bad for spending 55 on a metal dreadnought whew!
Had to see the price for myself after seeing your comment, holy crap thats expensive, could buy 2 cheap PC's with that or one really good one.
Im from Nottingham, the birthplace of Warhammer. I used to go to the main workshop with my dad as his friend was apart of the management. This brought back OH so many memories of running around the large maps loosing my imagination for hours and hours haha
I was very jealous when you first got his Model and I wanted 1 , now im not to sure i do . Congrats on making this work as best you could
The editing keeps getting better and better Squid. The extra effort and progress your making in that department is almost as impressive as the finished minis! Keep up the great work.
After building one of these when you said two part epoxy I was just like ‘oh no, I can’t warn him’
The more frustrated he gets with the model the more scandinavian he gets lmao
IF ONLY there was a way to like "solder" metal together ... damn
There is no way in hell you could solder this together. People have been over this many times in the comments on the reveal video
@@Sennzho you could sand off whatever plating it has and weld it together with a the TIG process. It would take a good welder, but it could be done.
"Why you no work" there was so much pain in that statement
7:05
If you do build the manta (and I hope you do) you should post a separate time-lapse of the whole thing from like a birds eye view in addition to the video. That would be super cool to watch!
Great build so far. But lot of works still to be done. What really helps me with such difficult gluing seams is to enlarge the contact area with 1,5 to 2mm styrene card, cut to shape from the inside. It helps with the right angles too and the glue has a massive area to adhere to. And of course lots of pins....
kills me people talk trash about tau when space marines aircraft looks like something a second grader built out of cardboard in art class. Nice job quickly becoming one of my favorite channels.
You absolutely need to make a mould of it once it's filled and sanded just to make a copy for each of you to paint 🤙🏻
I think that's the sort of thing that you'd have to mold every part. But I don't know, maybe he'll buy another one lol.
I made a mold of it and now I have one of the dark angels and I'm making another of chaos
@@rubensantos5356 Would you be willing to share?
@@chiptuna8292 the problem is the time it takes to make one with the molds and let alone the economic cost in resin. Do you know anyone who has a good 3d scanner?. I still have the original
Really seems like pinning and gluing isn't the right method for this project. I would suggest soldering in future if you can
that was the most convincing ad for square space i have ever seen. never before have i actually considered that i could use a website.
Here's a tip: Use some solder and a soldering iron. The composition of the solder should be relatively close to the composition of the actual model so you can effectively weld it together. Make sure you have good temperature control though otherwise the model could melt.
You should have considered soldering it 🤣
Amazing job! Can’t wait to see it painted! (Giant squid on the top? 🦑)
Aaah I was waiting for so looong this video😂
Shout out to your editor! The transitions between shots, use of b roll montage and overall production quality were absolutely fantastic in this.
I am glad to see that sometimes a project includes a few difficult spots for other people. I was thinking it only happened to me.
The model looks fantastic!
i remember when this came out, it was shortly after forge world was created and it was the year i won my local silver squig (golden demon). glorious teenage memories
I remember this coming out too - one of the staff at the Liverpool Games Workshop (guy called Brian) bought 2 of them 🤯
@@ssephi they are always called brian hahhah
almost makes you want to print a scaffold for this thing then pin the panels to it
For pinning ridiculously small parts; I've got little ~0.6mm diamond drills (you can order them online). Used them to pin a broken sword on a wood elf miniature.
I remember when the Warhammer official forums were active, people wanted this model like crazy and GW would issue takedown notices to those who made their own out of cardboard or plasticard and shared the plans. I wanted this model forever.
At this point most of my UA-cam activities is watching people explain in Swedish accent which difficulties they are facing while assembling overly complicated builds.
Wow, 4 days and 3 people working on it non stop. This just looks soo awesome. I want to see you weigh the model when its all painted up and ready to be properly shown off
I think it is 10 kg
@@pavma7 damn thats a pretty hefty boi huh
When you did those whip shots, you looked dead inside. You're awesome.
Assembling this thunderhawk do not only require skill... one must be completely out of his mind to simply approach to this thing! I'm amazed!
Droped a like to see that manta. Don't thank me, you brought it upon yourself ! GJ anyways !
Me too, even though I hate cats.
@@iefgrootaers hum. Ok I guess, not sure to understand the connection though ! ^^
@@vincentperon2950He starts the video saying something about how we need to like and subscribe or his cat will die.
@@iefgrootaers ooooh I guess I didn't pay enough attention ! Sorry about that ^^
This is absolutely bonkers, can't wait for the full finish.... Manta video after this then? haha
If you work with metal and such tiny drills I've found that you really want a little vice for the drill press to keep the object steady. Saves you a ton on drill bits ;).
When it comes to pinning, I recommend 1mm pianowire! Will not brake and as it's only 1mm, you can easily use it on the slimmer parts. You just need to be careful with drilling metal as the 1mm drills usually snap easily.
You can get pianowire in various thickness. I usually use 0.5, 1.0 and 2.0 depending on what I'm pinning.
Hope this helps your future builds!
liking for the manta build!
Me Too xD
same
same
I don't even know what a Manta is or if I even heard it right, but I'm still exited to be one of the 20k ppl. to make it come to life.
It's a huge tau flyer model.
Makes the model that he just assembled look tiny 😂
@@MichaelLee-wd5xo Thankfully it's all resin though instead of white metal meaning it's MUCH easier to work with...and yeah it's basically the Tau titan equivilent...thing is absolutely massive and can take up like half a board all on its own.
I built mine years ago. I empathize with you. As a consolation, you can use the finished model as an alternative to exercise weights. Be careful with the front landing gear. That part is quite tricky.
As someone new to the hobby and only having lots of Tau, am looking forward greatly to this Manta build
This looks like a job for Uncle Night Shift. This would look amazing weathered by him.
Ok time for my big monitor for this masterpiece
Say that again
Just saw this , laughed my head off. I built one of these back when they were available for a customer. Took about 6 weeks to glue, pin, fill and paint.
The customer was rapt in the finished product, but I agree it was the most difficult constrction I have yet encounter.
I enjoyed your escapades building this beastie.
Super happy for you to have this!
Emil filing down the part with the blank stare on his face made me laugh harder than it had any right to lol. Love the vids, brotha!
Imagine selling a product that janky to your dedicated fanbase.
tbh I don't think that it was ever actually supposed to be build perse
it's a collectors piece you get to own
"We're going to need pliers."
Holds up wire snips.
serisouly, a thunderhawk in metal . . those guys were madlads.
Good job assembling that monster.
Can't say I'm super impressed with the end result. A lot of work for a mediocre model
I wouldn't even paint it. That's a piece of art as is!
Ya the metal looks cool but the miliput to fill in the seams will make it look amazing, I'm sure he will only paint parts, for shading, detail and to cover the miliput. It's going to look sick when it's finished
@@Burn77oas7 You won't be able to tell its even entirely metal losing what makes it interesting at all
@@funoff3207 really? So like any other painted metal that exists , you're saying you can't tell those things are metal... i.e. fire hydrants, Older Vehicles 🚗 🚚🛻 🏍, weapons, etc. Also as I said, im sure the majority will be left the stock aluminum alloy color that it is while the seams are filled with miliput and painted to resemble weld marks and some other details like rust and normal markings that would be painted on to any craft. Get over it bud , your heart will be broken and or you will eat your words when the details are done.
My dad used to own a miniature company (Falcon Figures) and he did all the moulding himself. One thing he would tell me that people just DON'T think about is that metal shrinks, expands and warps with heating (melting) and cooling (hardening), which was really common with larger multi part metal miniatures - like the old 40k Krootox, the Lord of the Rings Mounted characters.
Building a little piece of history! Awesome work, thanks for putting in that massive effort, guys! Looking forward to seeing it painted!
I can't believe they can get away with selling something like this. Parts that are warped and need sanding. A model too heavy to support itself and needing to be drilled and the end product just looks rough.
they never sold the Metal Thunderhawk. you got it because you won Golden Daemons, the LVO, or something else.
Is that a Thunderhawk on your desk or are you just happy to see me?
Hahaha
You know I'm always happy to see you, Dennis. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Next time if you drill through something, use underneath something like a piece of wood/something softer than the metal but sturdy enough to hold the part. Thus you reduce the tension on the drill bit, not to mention the parts won't fall apart while you do the drilling.
Could you imagine buying this and trying to assemble it with out allot of expert knowledge and an awesome team behind you?! What a nightmare! Another wonderful video! Great work!
You should definitely try to make a mold of it next! And soldering seems like it would've been the best solution here 😅
Oh...all those time I've heard of it, twenty years ago...I thought this nightmare was a legend, something that never really happened like squats or Emperor's miniature !
I'm so old I remember considering buying this when it was released, but it was ridiculous money even then. Considering models such as the Manta exist, I'm uncertain why GW never released a plastic version.
When the Thunderfire cannons were first released there were some awful miscasts shipped (ask me how I know). Some things change, other things just fail differently.
Excellent work getting it done! A true demonstration of fortitude and determination from you all.
I love the fact that there's gunners sitting in the wingtip guns.
10:10 Vape Naysh Yall
thanks so much for doing this, it's wonderful being able to hobby vicariously through you on this project:)
Further to the solder points people have made, you could've also made some small circular iron bars inside 0.5mm connecting opposite ends of the hull internals to really keep it together and glued/resin but even solder.. ✌️
Ha ha Emil you Legend love your work brother ! Don’t kill the kitty bro ! Lol ;)
Yes Squidy, awesome, can't wait to see it painted. Keep going dude.
Remembering the old metal gyrocopter model that I could never get to hold together. The blades of the rotor were way too heavy for any glue I could find.
solder then file. internal edges could be strengthened greatly with various pieces of aluminium extrude, right angle, flat, T, etc etc.
Waiting to see an awesome actualisation+conversion+fixing+painting job on this heavy monster
looks good already. And that space marine looks cool as hell
Hats off to you. Putting a forge world fire raptor after 20 years of hobbying nearly finished me off, it was simple compared to this!
That thing is insane! Can’t wait to see the paint scheme!
Would be fun to smooth that up with a polisher a bit before painting with airbrush, I love newer tech used on old products
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Really want to see the final ! Hâte de voir ce que sa va donné :) thanks for this video !
And that boys and girls is why ForgeWorld resin is a gift from the gods.
Those large, flat (hah! As if!) plates were never given enough internal reinforcements nor post casting cooling time to have any chance of not warping. If anyone thought the original Predator metal turret and sponson parts went together poorly, the Thunderhawk was 100 times worse.
Jb weld insted of two part epoxy use a Dremel to rough up certain spots on the interior of the panels and add metal rods bent to fit inside and add some folded pieces of brass or copper to work for structural sections. Thats how you build one of these properly and also use a file to carve grooves into metal tod so jb weld will hold better
I love your videos man! Subscribed! I love hobby builds, I am trying to do some warhammer, gunpla and even customizing computer gadgets.
What an impressive project! I could feel your pain trying to get everything sanded and fit as close as possible haha
Out of curiosity, if it is made out of metal, wouldn't welding be a better way to connect the parts? Then sand it and paint it, and make a custom stand for it with 4 see-trough poles, attached to a big enough flat base (so you can put other minis beneath it) and a custom made acrylic platform that hugs the model so it is safe resting in it?
I remember when this came out, it was a monster. The only other thunderhawk model in 40k scale was a plan published in a very old Citadel Journal. That white metal might even have still had lead in it from '97, I recall making things like Dreadnoughts and landspeeders it would tarnish a little and that defied a good glue joint. 2 part epoxy usually did the business though.
If you cannot pin pieces together easily another way is to use hard wood or plastic to make webs and fillets to fit inside or behind the joints where they cannot be seen. An alternative is fibre glass resin and netting. This is not pretty but if the inside of the model cannot be seen then this approach can work very well. Maximum support, maximum strength.
Also, if you are drilling white metal you MUST cool the drill very often. Dip the drill bit into cold water every few seconds otherwise the drill and metal will get too hot and will start to melt together. Plenty of cold water!
Barry
Your editor did a great job on the shot transitions.
Finally the video I want to watch
I liked it when the cats life was at stake I feel like a Hero now :)