Growing up in the 40’s my mother used lard to cook everything from baking cookies to cooking all the meals.I’m 81 years old and I still use lard for cooking.I have never had cholesterol problems in my whole life.
Modern lard tends to be runnier and richer in omega-6 fatty acids due to what the pigs are fed. Probably the lard of fifty or a hundred years ago had more saturated fat and was better in every way…
You need both meat and veggies, the gut microbiome consumes plant foods and it produces 70% of your serotonin. Carnivore vs veganism is a controlled dichotomy and its sad that people fall for it like cattle
You know everything in the US is about money when canola oil and other highly processed and inflammatory oils have the “heart healthy “ AMerican Heart association on them. Just wow
I must have good instincts. I remember saying in 1974 when south Africa was the heart transplant capital of the world and they were pushing margarine. I declared it plastic butter. The establishment pushed and pushed. What really sucker punched me later in life was canola oils. To cut a long story short I've been on olive oil and lard and butter for 5 years and I'm lean and my profile picture is me at 60. I am still getting healthier and better now 63. I will get back to you when I reach 93
@@JohnQPublic345 gosh. That is shit. Excuse the pun. My 70 year old friend had been vegan for year and now has leaky gut and cannot touch carbs and is full carnivore. My wife's running partner is vegetarian and has constant issues. God made us omnivorous The establishment industrial globalist are trying to turn nature on its head in interests of profit and at the expense of our health
Remember this story when people say, "The science is settled", because science is never settled. Science is a constant search for the truth. Anyone who says, "The experts agree....", really doesn't know how science works.
Huh, reminds me of some frankenvaccines and the push to trust the science when there was no allowance for study, hypothesis verification or science that could be disputed or confirmed.
@@moestietabarnak True, but true science will allow for someone to show proof (evidence) that this view is wrong. At one time the experts believed that Sir Isaac Newton's laws of motion were perfect and beyond question; however Einstein proved that there was a flaw in the equations. Real Science is based on evidence (data), NOT what the "experts" think.
I think it makes sense to eat real food, not processed food with a lot of chemicals. It also makes sense to cut down on sugar and refined carbohydrates. I also understand that eggs contain all the vitamins and nutrients your body needs. It is also apparent that government recommendations and regulations seem to be highly influenced by people with a lot of money who want to sell a product.
Meat also has all of what we need. Have to watch sources though: chickens and pigs are raised on corn-based feed so, as I understand it, their omega3 to omega6 ratio is way too much omega6 (like seed oils).
Everyone started becoming morbidly obese when they stripped the animal fats out foods and replaced it with sugar. Read John Yudkin's Soft,White and Deadly.
I ate what I liked, lamb, pork, beef and other meats as well as dairy and as much of it as I liked. My cholesterol was always 4.1. A doctor told me this was too high and for the good of my health I had to go on anti cholesterol medication which nearly killed me. I went off the medication and went on a diet reducing the amount of red meat I was eating and my cholesterol went up. The doctor said I needed a stricter diet so I ate only small amounts of white meat and cut out dairy and my cholesterol went even higher. On doctor's advice I started on lentils and a near vegetarian diet and my cholesterol was up past 6 to which I was told to go on a stricter diet to which I told the doctor "BS! My ....ing cows are eating better tucker than I am so I'll eat what I like.". I returned to my normal diet and my cholesterol dropped to 4.1. I honestly don't think they know what is going on. The next visit to my doctor with cholesterol at 4.1 I was told to keep up the good lol.
The reason is simple... your body has to have cholesterol. It is so important to brain and nerve function ( your brain is mostly cholesterol ) that if it is not present in the diet, the liver will begin to churn it out. It will cut up other fats and make it's own cholesterol. When the Malignantly Dumb (MD ) measures cholesterol in the blood and sees that it hasn't gone down to their liking, they want to restrict it even more. But your liver knows better, and continues making it to beat the band. The less in the diet, the more the liver overcompensates. When it still won't reach the magic number the doc wants, they give you a statin drug to reign in that pesky liver and stop it from making more. Over time though, say goodbye to your brain and your sex drive ( all hormones are made of cholesterol ) as your liver can no longer make what the body needs. All sorts of health problems set in. Proof positive that if a lie is repeated enough, it stops being questioned and people just believe it. You are to be congratulated because you used common sense to see through the lie and tell the docs to jog on.
@@dennisjump8655 Those cholesterol levels, particularly his near vegetarian numbers, which suggest that something else is going on. Yes, you body will make what you need, but it will not make that much more than it needs.
@@BillMcHale Sorry, his story says otherwise. Age, height, weight and definitely activity all play a part in how much your body needs. Men and women have different requirements as well. The "one size fits all" and "health by numbers" approach is flawed. Your body knows what it needs. It can and will overcompensate as well, as in high blood levels of calcium when an actual calcium deficiency exists ( robbing the bones for calcium). While it is possible for something else to be involved, the dietary response says otherwise. Watch the videos by Dr. Joel Wallach and Dr. Eric Berg on cholesterol.
Thanks! Only this morning my doctor was trying to push them onto me and I turned him down, then I'm wondering if I've done the right thing when this video tuns up in my suggestions!
@@kellyanneree3252 Sometimes. But mostly???? They give a false sense of security. They don't prevent myocardial infarctions. They postpone them..... for a very steep price.
The problem is that the modern medical industrial complex and the major food conglomerates have not changed and in not doing so are still promoting type 2 diabetes and heart disease, almost half the people in the US are pre-diabetic and the carnage is not slowing down.
It's good business, have you notice how the "Health Care Industry" now even controls the government... and consider who are the biggest "investors/shareholders" hence controllers... rich elites like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds... get it?
It's remarkable (to me) how often I see references to "artery-clogging" saturated fat or "essential" carbohydrates--despite the complete failure to confirm over decades, govt diet advice, medical education and institutions have never reflected the actual science and these concepts continue to be "official" today.
Wdym Lol, there hasn't been a failure there's literally hundreds of studies confirming this research. This lady is literally a corporate shill and literally gets money from the animal products industry, it's public record as part of her non profit.
@@maddiekits yes and no Every lobbyist is pushing their agenda. From carbon trading to battery cars and military industrial complex and the pharmaceutical funfair industrial complex The biggest evil is advertising
@@peetsnort There's no yes or no lmao, Either you are getting paid a lot of money to say a certain thing or you are not, It's odd that the majority of the people with these views seem to have records pointing to getting paid by large corps. While the apposing plant food people and supporting scientists have very little external influence... The diets with the highest chance of making companies the most money are the ones being supported isn't that crazy of a connection lol.
it is so riddiculous how almost EVERY dietary recommendation that came out of the US was perfectly wrong and EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you should do .. be it sugar makes slim. be it smoking is healthy and cool. be it eggs are dangerous for you. be it fat is the problem you have to reduce fat .. and ofc replace it with carbs .. and so many MANY more ..
Funny you mention smoking. I know some one that smoked palmal everyday. Died in her eighties of non related issues. Does that mean smoking shortened her life?
@@bobmilanowski4979 very probably. yes i know a guy who almost got 100 before dieing whilst smoking a lot .. the exception doesn't disproof the rule. tobacco companies wheren't sued for fortunes for shits n giggles untill they informed their customers about the health risk not to be sued in the future
@@jacknathaniel5203 The Great Food Grift is hand in hand with the Virus Panic and the Climate Emergency Grift. Whether through corporate greed and/or government extortion through taxes and restrictions, the modern oligarchy continues to push for complete control over our every thought and action.
98%of all stored fat is from fat. The west never ate a low fat diet like recommended. We just had low fat products added to our lives whilst total food abundance and simultaneous removal of difficult tasks. Nothing in nutrition science has be debated more. Humans can be perfectly healthy on any diet. As long as we move as well.
I am a pure bred Celt. I also have hemochromatosis. It was the carnivore diet that cured me after I had a heart attack trying to solve my symptoms with a vegetarian diet. Now I eat chicken and seafood and when I do eat red meat I always eat it with cheese to minimize the iron uptake.
I, on the other hand, have low iron (without anemia). I need the iron and for whatever reason my body doesn’t seem to absorb it well. I’m trying to cut out gluten to see if that might have anything to do with it.
Because cattle are finished ( fattened) in feedlots they aren't eating grass which contains vitamin k2 .Without k2 in our diet calcium isn't digested and absorbed into our bones but accumulates in the organs and blood vessels where it hardens. Changes in animal husbandry is key to this problem.
I eat beef and have no issues with calcium deposits. Eating a carb heavy diet causes high blood glucose, which makes pinholes in blood vessels. Our body responds by plugging the tiny holes with plaque.
Remember, 1955 was 10 years after WW2 and America was living large for those 10 years, who doesn't think there was massive excess consumption of booze and food? No one can convince me the heart attacks in those 10 years were caused by fat and beef.
Add in all the new electromagnetic technology of that time. The heart generates it's own electrical signal, in the sinoatrial node, or SA. Could it be interfered with?
This left out the fact that Keys carefully selected 7 countries, whereas if he had included data from other countries, his graph would have looked much different.
I was just going to post saying the same thing. According to some of the Ketogenic diet Doctors and proponents he CHERRY PICKED the countries in order to have his "slight correlation". His "study" has been well debunked and discredited. Given a normal/wider selection of countries, absolutely no correlation can be seen. So he CREATED some data to support his theory. Yes indeed he lied and by so doing has killed millions. Today, mega corporations are selling billions of tons of products supported by the idea that saturated fats are unhealthy, making hundreds of billions of dollars. They are also spending billions annually to ensure that their product sales continue unabated. THEY are also killing millions of people. Up to 80% of current nutritional and medical research is false and/or misleading - funded or sponsored directly by these same corporations.
Bodybuilders knew as far back as the 1940s that a high protein low carb mostly carnivore diet was the best diet. They got lean. Their muscles grew best on this diet. The problem was. Unless you were in that world you didn't know...
Funny that the oldest living body builders from the 40-60s were all the ones that didn't follow that advise lmao. The most famous example probably being Jack LaLanne.
This is really a story about confirmation bias on a massive scale. In other words how we embrace data that tends to support our beliefs and we disregard data that contradicts it. I grew up with the low fat sermons, and spent 20 years eating mostly carbs. I developed diabetes and then I learned that low fat, high carb diets aggravate my condition. Doctors are slowly starting to acknowledge that fats aren’t all bad but you still hear them advocating “lean meats”, still clinging to the concepts they themselves were raised on.
There is no such thing as complex carbs. Low glycemic index foods are low glycemic index because the carbs are mechanically protected more than any other reason. Pasta is quite low glycemic index where as fluffly bread as high glycemic index as pure glucose. The difference is that the starch grains in pasta are embedded in a dense protein matrix. Eating fat and fibre; even if you do it separately from the carbs; slows down the absorption of carbs from food. Potato sallad is low glycemic index not because of some magic resistant starch nonsense but because it’s a cold lump of potatoes slathered in mayonaise that cannot be quickly dissolved into free starch. Fruit is low glycemic index because it takes time to leach the sugar from the pulp (unless you make juice; then it is indistinguishable from sugar water). It is the form factor and the coating that makes a food low glycemic index; resistant starches and ”complex” carbs make no practical difference at all.
@@verreal "Well, that is a danger of vegetarian diets. First, you've got to be almost exclusively using complex carbs. But if you don't have plenty of healthy fats and proteins in there, it's going to be too much carbs overall" No, despite misinformation from Teicholz and others ALL the healthiest and longest lived populations got 55-85% of their calories from whole food carbs. Too much animal fat and protein makes health worse than would eating whole plant foods instead.
History of plant oils throughout ancient world to present: 6,000 years: olive oil was widely used throughout civilizations in Asia Minor and the Middle East well before the Greek and Roman empires. 4,000 years: coconut meat, water and oil has been used by the people of Southern Asia, the Pacific Islands region, Central and South America - where coconuts grow - as both food and medicine. 3,500 years: sesame oil was produced by the Egyptians, Babylonians and Greeks. 750 years: soybean oil was developed by the Chinese (they formerly used sesame oil and lard) though little is known of it's discovery and how it was produced, but it's safe to conclude it was minimally processed in a way similar to other plant oils before it. Most modern soy oil is produced through chemical methods and higher temperatures (300-500°F). There are still producers who use a "cold press" method which keep temperatures below 123°F and though machinery is used, chemicals are not. 110 years: peanut oil is a new entry as a cooking oil is concerned, though the peanut has been used for thousands of years by cultures living in the Americas. The Portuguese introduced the peanut to China in the early 17th century but it wasn't until the end of China's Qing Dynasty (1636-1911) peanut oil was exchanged for less expensive kerosene as a heating oil, thus making it available to the common man as a cooking oil. But in US, it wasn't until during WWII in 1942, that peanut oil was used as a cooking oil due to the shortage of other oils used in the war effort. 32 years: avocado oil is similar in tale to the oil of the peanut. The avocado was grown and cultivated in the Americas for roughly 3,000 years and used as food, but the oil was first extracted in 1942 (during WWII) in an effort to find other oils in the absence of those being used in the war effort. This process used solvents and rendered the oil unfit for human consumption as most of its nutritional value was compromised. Then in 1990 and process was developed in New Zealand, similar to that used in producing Extra Virgin Olive oil, and food-grade avocado oil industry was born. Of course, animal-based oils like lard, tallow, fish, etc, and their dairy derivatives (butter and ghee) are even older. The common thread among all is not just their age, or the fact that they're all minimally processed oils that ANYONE COULD MAKE AT HOME with a little knowledge and elbow grease, but that none make a major contribution to heart disease like that of industrial age polyunsaturated "vegetable" oils, smoking highly processed tobacco aka cigarettes, or that of highly processed sugar and HFCS. There seems to be a theme here.
Cottonseed oil became ‘food’ back around 1860 - even earlier. The 1st heart attack was supposedly in 1921 or 1925. We were too ungodly then to resist fear. Fear is much worse today but so there are so few believers (so many who think thy are believers are out in the weeds of the wide path). Just sad.
@@boink800 but here you are, believing a "journalist" without any scietific education, who gets paid by the meat and dairy industry to go on a marketing campaing to push their products. Her presentations are straight from marketing 101, but not alot of scientific proof behind them.
Because there's been zero studies or evidence that has proved it wrong lol, just a lot of uneducated shills saying nonsense and not understanding statistics lmao
Complete misinformation because we choose what we wanna believe. Lobbyists like Nina and Gary Taubes who use Yerushalmy and Herman's 1957 paper as reference conveniently forget to mention Ancel's 1953 paper and his explanation. He actually published a table of 16 countries for all cause mortality and he chose them because they were reasonably comparable in race, climate, culture, medical systems and vital statistics. But he bemoaned the fact that he could only find six that had comparable vital statistics specific to heart disease and diet. Listening to these liars, you can tell how little they've read about the study.
Let’s not forget the blame that Phil Sokolof deserves. Among other things, his anti-saturated fat campaign is what forced McDonald’s to quit cooking french fries in beef tallow. He spent millions blaming saturated fat for problems unrelated to its consumption.
Keys looked at 25 countries and only found 7 that could support his hypothesis. Spain barely made it and here's why. Spain as a whole eats a moderater amount of saturated fat and has a corresponding Coronary Artery Disease rate. However, coastal Spain eats little saturated fat and has a high CAD rate. While central Spain eats a lot of saturated fat and has a low CAD rate. This is called, "The Spanish Paradox." Keys kept Spain rather than settle for a "Six Countries Study."
Cholesterol has been implicated in atherosclerosis since the early 1900's. The Framingham study started in 1950. Ansel Keys wasn't the instigator of saturated fat causing heart disease.
She left out the biggest problem with the 7 counties study. It was the originally 22 countries study. Keys left out the 15 countries that disproved his theory. Places that ate a lot of fat with low amounts of heart disease, and places that had a low fat diet with high amounts of heart disease.
A lot of misunderstanding in the comments. Olive oil, avocado oil and coconut oil are NOT seed oils or 'vegetable oils'. 'Vegetable oils' (the name is deliberately misleading) are manufactured from plant seeds or beans e.g. sunflower, canola, cottonseed, soybean, peanuts, rice bran etc. These oils are highly processed, high in polyunsaturated fat and very chemically unstable and go rancid easily. Olives and avocados are fruits. The oil is extracted by pressing the flesh of the fruit. Olive and avocado oils are much higher in saturated and monounsatured fats compared to 'vegetable oils'. They are more chemically stable and go rancid less easily. Coconut oil is high in saturated fat. It is chemically stable and does not go rancid easily. Palm oil (also not made from seeds) is similar. Olive oil has been used for centuries, although the extent to which it was eaten as a food in ancient times is disputed. It may have been used more often for skin hygiene, lighting, rituals etc. rather than eating, but the evidence is inconclusive. 'Vegetable oils' are a product of industrialisation that were first made in the later 1800s. They were gradually introduced into people's diets as replacements for traditional fats such as tallow, lard, butter and olive oil. No one ate these processed vegetable oils beore 1850.
You should add "extra virgin", "first press" or "cold press" to olive\avocado\coconut oil, because the non-extra virgin\first press varieties are more processed and less healthy.
@@hackman88 I agree that these are better. However, I would say that even 'non virgin' versions of these oils are much better than vegetable/seed oils (so long as they don't have additives and haven't been adulterated by the addition of cheaper seed oils). Personally, I tend to use beef tallow and occasionally duck or goose fat for cooking.
Look up the nutritional makeup of human mother’s milk - the most intentionally existing most natural food for babies. 55% of calories in mothers milk are saturated fat. While mother’s milk is perfect baby food, it still follows that saturated fats are toxic purely defies all reason and experience.
Dr Kenneth Cooper MD does cite the beginnings of a rehabilitation programme in his book 'Aerobics', first published in 1968. His initial controlled trials was with the US Air Force population and he does cite a few examples. Most of his exercise programmes were based around walking, running, swimming and cycling, all forms which require good technique to execute and may be age dependant whereas a bicycle had to correctly fit the person which may be of a different style or have multiple gears and/or the person may not live in an area with flat terrain. There are so many variables. These days, most hospital authorities have excellent cardiac rehabilitation programmes.
Quite easily. Most of the fat being eaten is polyunsaturated, because most of the meat being eaten has been highly processed and cooked in polyunsaturated fats. Your epidemiological study (glorified survey) probably didn't separate the guy eating a grass fed rib fillet cooked in grass fed tallow from the guy eating his 2nd large quarter pounder meal for the day.
@@HoisinCrispyOwl more than 90% of meat/dairy/eggs come from hellish factory farm conditions. But those farms are the only way it is possible to have the amount of meat we do. If we abolished factory farms and everyone only ate all natural grass fed ancestral organic Elk or whatever, you'd only get a portion once every 3 months.
Seed oils, sugars, possibly smoking at the same time? People have been told not to eat fat for years, people who dont listen to their dr about one thing often dont on others. Healthy user bias
I believe that the original study that Keys conducted was actually 22 countries, but he cherry picked the 7 that demonstrated least, the opposite of his hypothesis.
"I believe that the original study that Keys conducted was actually 22 countries, but he cherry picked the 7 that demonstrated least, the opposite of his hypothesis." THAT is a myth that has been spread on the Internet. A few years before his 7-nations study, Keys gave a speech covering national data on 22 nations--and that is the bit many low-carb gurus use to falsely claim he cherry-picked the data. The seven nations study was very carefully done and very expensive, and Keys didn't have the money to collect this far more extensive data on 22 nations. He picked the seven nations to study in depth based on solid theoretical reasons and the study was very well conducted--and some of the myths spread on line about the study don't hold water. But whether you look at the 7 nations or the 22 nations, the same pattern held--consumption of animal protein and fat were connected to heart disease (and animal protein was highly correlated with mortality in the 22 nations). This carefully-researched video debunks Teicholz's claims about fat. Keys, and the 7 nations study. ua-cam.com/video/OkqWdY5_2-8/v-deo.html
@@Nite-owl Thanks for your reply David. I take it you don't want to look into the actual facts of the matter. As someone who researches and teaches nutrition at a university, it always makes me sad when people don't want to look at the actual facts.
@@karlwheatley1244 It 100% depends where the "actual facts" come from. If they are being delivered by someone with a dog in the fight, the "facts" are tainted and therefore 100% untrustworthy. Every single study or video that I've seen that argues in favour of plant based lifestyle, or against animal products in general, has been tainted by underlying interests either by the researchers, or the funding of the studies. It also makes ME sad when people try to push an ethical belief on others in spite of the evidence I've seen as well as logic and common sense. You do you, and I'll do me. Don't expect to see me on your side of the fence in this lifetime, and I won't expect to see you on mine. It's ok to disagree, it's called being different 🙂
@@karlwheatley1244 Facts are facts and should always deliver the same result regardless of who does the experiment, providing the methods used are the same. It seems strange to me that I've seen plenty of studies showing that animal products are the optimal diet for our species, some of which are no doubt flawed or biased, but I've never seen a study showing animal product consumption is dangerous by anyone that DEFINITELY HAS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, and that's a big difference.
Hi Nina, I'm a big fan of yours. I want to point out that Ansel Keys committed a major fraud with the "Seven Country" study. In fact, he studied more thsn 20 countries but cherry-picked only the 7 countries that supported his hypothesis. Best regards, David Silverman
Those countries were not cherry picked, they had standards, the countries which were excluded failed to meet the test criteria. You folks complain about epidemiology then when the science is done correctly excluding poorly collected data you use that as a weapon against properly done science. Here is a historical article which describes how Finland used Dr. Keyes Seven Country Study to turn around an epidemic of death in that country. www.inspq.qc.ca/pdf/publications/1624_NorthkareliaProjectFinland.pdf Science works, just so you know, this horrible video present some very poor epidemiology to discredit a brilliant scientist who has saved millions of lives. Ms. Teicholz on the other hand is selling folks a slow death. Death by diet takes decades but at the end.....it is a very painful and horrible death. On the other hand, if you have great genes, you just die younger than you needed too.
@@jglee6721 I'm an American living in Antalya, Turkey and getting books from the US is difficult and expensive. I depend on UA-cam for Information but I thought that including that fact would have enhanced her commentary a great deal.
The thing about "total mortality" is that it's always 100%. If you don't die of your bleeding peptic ulcer today, you may have a heart attack in 30 years or cancer further down the line. Everybody is dead before they reach 120 years. The most that any treatment or lifestyle change can do is to prolong your healthy life. But that's what we want! The analysis required to tease that out has to be more detailed than can be shown in a single headline figure.
In 1972 a British physiologist and nutritionist by the name of John Yudkin wrote a book called Sugar, Pure White and Deadly. Yudkin's ideas were attacked and discreated by Ancel. Ancel made John look like a ''quack'' physiologist and John Yudkin disappeared into obscurity. Now we have an obesity epidemic, a diabetes epidemic and we now know that John got it right and Ancel got it totally wrong. Ancel even knew he was wrong because his seven countries study had many other countries but these countries were outliers from the data he wanted to present. Also what about the French? They loved fat in their diet and were healthy. Ancel called this the French Paradox. He could not explain it.
Keys' attack on Yudkin was based on what I think was a false assumption by both (not sure about Yudkin on this) , which is that there was only one risk factor that mattered. Most modern nutritionists would agree that high intake levels of processed sugar and saturated fats are risk factors.
The problem is processed food and the food industry has a lot to answer for here with the emphasis on profit rather than nutrition, so much that is produced bares little relationship to a healthy diet. The nutritional value of many crops has also diminished with modern mono methods of farming .
So much this. In simple terms, the basic problem is that the processed food industry is very good at taking the pulse of the Nation and producing food that may follow the latest dietary recommendation but only by throwing the diet out of wack in the other direction. First processed foods were dominated by unhealthy fats (saturated and trans fats)... what fats are bad for you? Okay, lets load the food with sugar. Next bad result okay... now everyone is afraid of sugar... lets go back to fat.....
funny that the 7 country study, which was actually 21 countries from which he then cherry picked 7 countries that helped his narrative the most BUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT PART
"funny that the 7 country study, which was actually 21 countries from which he then cherry picked 7 countries that helped his narrative the most BUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT PART" Because that's a phony Internet/low-carb myth. He picked the 7 countries to study in depth for perfectly valid reasons that he explained in his writings but data from all 22 countries shows the same pattern, as does research from the last 60 years. Keys was right.
Why doesn't she display or quote any actual studies that prove her conclusion, that follow on tests of Keys' hypothesis showed no effect of saturated fat on mortality? She just says it's her summary but her summary of what? I mean the first paragraph on Wikipedia about Keys lists all the studies that back him up.
I'm getting close to 70 and had two stents placed in my heart at age 58 or I would have died within 2 days of my stress test. One grandfather died at 67 from a massive heart attack! I'm trying to eat well and get exercise, and I'm on a statin. My cholesterol is "good' but I'm still concerned, but not overly so. And my cardiologist is a believer in the cholesterol hypothesis. I guess we'll see if I croak soon. But I'm starting to feel, with the country and the world as it is, would that be so bad?🤔
In the words of Debbie Harry, "Die young, stay pretty ". I have around 5 to 10 years to go to outlive the last generation of men in my family- am I worried? No, they pretty much all died pretty suddenly, my own father in particular.
Well, have you changed your diet? Grain free, limited vegetables and fruits, mainly meat and fat is a real and healthy way to eat and it’s what humans ate before industrialization killed our diets.
@@rogersmith8339 Sorry for your losses. My people are all gone, except for siblings and cousins. And time is running out for all of us. But that's life. The best way to stay "pretty" is to stay healthy, and maybe live longer to enjoy it. 👍
Almost all processad fats are bad for our Bodies. We need a small amount of fat and that small amount should come from Whole Foods like nuts and seeds not oils or dairy.
I'm curious to know what caused the massive increase in heart attacks in the 50's, way before the new dietary guideline was issued. Some assumptions are briefly discussed at the begining of this video, but nothing concrete. Any thoughts ?
My armchair guess would be a combination of smoking, greater consumption of sugar, increased use of vegetable oils, and an increase of processed carbs in the diet.
More children eat ice cream in the summer, also more children drown in the summer. Therefore eating ice cream leads to drowning. That is an association.
So did a bunch of members of his team. Keyes is the most lied about scientist ever. Plant Chompers has a few videos debunking claims against the man. It's crazy when you see how they are just blatant lies
At the end she speaks of randomised studies on consuming sat fats in mental institutions conducted in many different countries. Anyone have links to these studies, or their names?
And how does one explain the North Karelia Project and their success in improving health and increasing the lifespans of Finnish folks by moving their diets away from Red Meat to more fish and plant based foods?
Keys studied 22 nations, then cherry picked the data that supported his hypothesis. Curiously two nations who eat the highest fat per person, Italy and France were not one of the 7 chosen. BECAUSE his hypothesis was crap. He was bully, the American president had had a heart attack, people were dying of heart disease that clearly had nothing to do with industrial pollution and cigarett smoking. Bazillions of dollars can be made off of fields of wheat, if there was just some way to get humans to eat pig feed.
My family started to use olive oil in the mid eighties. Before that we would see it on holiday in France or you could buy a tiny bottle at the chemists to use as ear drops!
Margarine, at least up until recently, was a major source of trans fats, and thus as a major risk factor in heart disease (even if we didn't know it at the time). Canola oil, which some on here have claimed as poison, was used as part of the North Karelia project which resulted in a remarkable increase in the life expectancy of the Finnish people. Does that prove it is health food, not sure it does since there were several risk factors addressed in the Project, but it was part of several lifestyle changes the Finnish people made that took them from having the lowest life expectancy in Europe to one of the highest.
Ironically even though the myth has been debunked the food supply is worse than ever; even tortillas are made with synthetic canola oil instead of lard.
Try and tell that to my cardiologist, GP, endocrinologist, nutritionist, friends, family and acquaintances and they shake their heads, laugh at me and tell me I'm wrong. Several of them are normal weight and are type 2 diabetics and even though I'm fat I don't have T2D. They don't believe that either. I'm carnivore and can go for a whole day without eating and it's funny when they get hangry after a couple of hours lol.
If multiple doctors and nutritionists disagree with you, you should really worry whether you're wrong. Try to leave your filter bubble and see why the scientific consensus disagrees with you.
@@mreese8764 *trying to understand why the scientific consensus disagrees with you?* Ah yes, the root cause of wrong ideas. Fucking hell. Please explain how you're more qualified to understand this issue than actual experts in the field.
It’s hard to trust a journalist who doesn’t research her facts and isn’t accurate about basic facts. In just the first 10 minutes, she’s “misspoken”: 1. Ancel Keys was a physiologist, not a pathologist. The former is a study of the normal, while the latter studies the abnormal. 2. Suet is the raw fat from either beef of sheep, while tallow is the rendered fat.
Christ. It's scary how many people fall for misinformation. Let me guess, you think every school shooting is just a bunch of crisis actors trying to take away your guns, right?
You forget to mention that the 7 land study was accualie a 12 lans study. But in 5 lands the result were. More saturated fats les mortallytie. Then the skipped these 5 lands out of the study
I believe you mean a 22 country study... except it wasn't. That is a myth that comes essentially from two graphs that can be seen at www.bluezones.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Blue-Zones3.jpg. The first graph was published several years before the study even began, the second graph was published the year the study started and is not results for the study itself. It is also notable that without controlling for other risk factors, the type of fat and the age distribution in the countries involved, it does demonstrate a reasonably strong correlation between fat consumption and mortality.
I think the modern consensus is that there are several major factors. One is lack of physical activity/exercise, and the other two are both diet related. It seems processed foods, especially white sugar, and excessive saturated fat in the diet are both major risk factors.
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Growing up in the 40’s my mother used lard to cook everything from baking cookies to cooking all the meals.I’m 81 years old and I still use lard for cooking.I have never had cholesterol problems in my whole life.
Can you share the results of your lipid panel?
Modern lard tends to be runnier and richer in omega-6 fatty acids due to what the pigs are fed. Probably the lard of fifty or a hundred years ago had more saturated fat and was better in every way…
@@markiangooley but you can make it yourself, the commentor doesn't say they buy it at a supermarket
I also use lard to cook. And its great. Also its pretty cheap as well!.
Correlation NOT causation!
I’ve literally just passed a guy in the street whose t shirt said - Meat heals-Carbs kill. He gets it!
Some people are so stupid that they do not know that they are stupid.
Must why be all the epidemiological data says the exact opposite.. Hmm
You need both meat and veggies, the gut microbiome consumes plant foods and it produces 70% of your serotonin. Carnivore vs veganism is a controlled dichotomy and its sad that people fall for it like cattle
@@HWCWTD- all those are bought into plant based industry!
Love it! Did you ask where he bought it?
You know everything in the US is about money when canola oil and other highly processed and inflammatory oils have the “heart healthy “ AMerican Heart association on them.
Just wow
I must have good instincts. I remember saying in 1974 when south Africa was the heart transplant capital of the world and they were pushing margarine.
I declared it plastic butter.
The establishment pushed and pushed.
What really sucker punched me later in life was canola oils.
To cut a long story short I've been on olive oil and lard and butter for 5 years and I'm lean and my profile picture is me at 60.
I am still getting healthier and better now 63.
I will get back to you when I reach 93
Plastic butter is a good term for margarine. Your body can't break it down like it does butter.
unfortunately my mother bought into this hype back in the early 80s, and now IM paying for it with terrible gut health.
@@JohnQPublic345 its reversible to a large degree. Even if it means a faecal gut implant in many cases
@@peetsnort I've been battling candida, leaky gut, and IBS-C.
@@JohnQPublic345 gosh. That is shit. Excuse the pun. My 70 year old friend had been vegan for year and now has leaky gut and cannot touch carbs and is full carnivore.
My wife's running partner is vegetarian and has constant issues.
God made us omnivorous
The establishment industrial globalist are trying to turn nature on its head in interests of profit and at the expense of our health
Remember this story when people say, "The science is settled", because science is never settled. Science is a constant search for the truth. Anyone who says, "The experts agree....", really doesn't know how science works.
better yet, he IS the science, said Fraudci.
Climate changed caused by insignia at old us, is another one not settled.
Huh, reminds me of some frankenvaccines and the push to trust the science when there was no allowance for study, hypothesis verification or science that could be disputed or confirmed.
The experts agree that earth is not flat.
@@moestietabarnak True, but true science will allow for someone to show proof (evidence) that this view is wrong. At one time the experts believed that Sir Isaac Newton's laws of motion were perfect and beyond question; however Einstein proved that there was a flaw in the equations. Real Science is based on evidence (data), NOT what the "experts" think.
I think it makes sense to eat real food, not processed food with a lot of chemicals. It also makes sense to cut down on sugar and refined carbohydrates. I also understand that eggs contain all the vitamins and nutrients your body needs. It is also apparent that government recommendations and regulations seem to be highly influenced by people with a lot of money who want to sell a product.
@ Peri Willow - Exactly 💯
You can get away with almost anything with enough lobbyists to influence so called lawmakers
@@kenneth9874 - Sad but true $
Meat also has all of what we need. Have to watch sources though: chickens and pigs are raised on corn-based feed so, as I understand it, their omega3 to omega6 ratio is way too much omega6 (like seed oils).
@@steffanrhoads1870 - Soon livestock may be injected with mRNA ... 😳❗️
Everyone started becoming morbidly obese when they stripped the animal
fats out foods and replaced it with sugar.
Read John Yudkin's Soft,White and Deadly.
The book is called pure, white and deadly
Hey now, don't be racist.
JK, sugar (in all forms... looking at you too carbs) is so bad
You are absolutely correct, but it's very hard to educate some people.
I ate what I liked, lamb, pork, beef and other meats as well as dairy and as much of it as I liked. My cholesterol was always 4.1. A doctor told me this was too high and for the good of my health I had to go on anti cholesterol medication which nearly killed me. I went off the medication and went on a diet reducing the amount of red meat I was eating and my cholesterol went up. The doctor said I needed a stricter diet so I ate only small amounts of white meat and cut out dairy and my cholesterol went even higher. On doctor's advice I started on lentils and a near vegetarian diet and my cholesterol was up past 6 to which I was told to go on a stricter diet to which I told the doctor "BS! My ....ing cows are eating better tucker than I am so I'll eat what I like.". I returned to my normal diet and my cholesterol dropped to 4.1. I honestly don't think they know what is going on. The next visit to my doctor with cholesterol at 4.1 I was told to keep up the good lol.
Well said John!
The reason is simple... your body has to have cholesterol. It is so important to brain and nerve function ( your brain is mostly cholesterol ) that if it is not present in the diet, the liver will begin to churn it out. It will cut up other fats and make it's own cholesterol. When the Malignantly Dumb (MD ) measures cholesterol in the blood and sees that it hasn't gone down to their liking, they want to restrict it even more. But your liver knows better, and continues making it to beat the band. The less in the diet, the more the liver overcompensates. When it still won't reach the magic number the doc wants, they give you a statin drug to reign in that pesky liver and stop it from making more. Over time though, say goodbye to your brain and your sex drive ( all hormones are made of cholesterol ) as your liver can no longer make what the body needs. All sorts of health problems set in. Proof positive that if a lie is repeated enough, it stops being questioned and people just believe it. You are to be congratulated because you used common sense to see through the lie and tell the docs to jog on.
@@dennisjump8655 I have come to the conclusion that the problem is obesity and inactivity, these are the true killers.
@@dennisjump8655 Those cholesterol levels, particularly his near vegetarian numbers, which suggest that something else is going on. Yes, you body will make what you need, but it will not make that much more than it needs.
@@BillMcHale Sorry, his story says otherwise. Age, height, weight and definitely activity all play a part in how much your body needs. Men and women have different requirements as well. The "one size fits all" and "health by numbers" approach is flawed. Your body knows what it needs. It can and will overcompensate as well, as in high blood levels of calcium when an actual calcium deficiency exists ( robbing the bones for calcium). While it is possible for something else to be involved, the dietary response says otherwise. Watch the videos by Dr. Joel Wallach and Dr. Eric Berg on cholesterol.
The Standard American Diet food pyramid needs to be turned upside down basically.
Ancel Keys was a narcissist.
As a 25 year ER and ICU registered nurse, I can tell you statins are just as useless.
Thanks! Only this morning my doctor was trying to push them onto me and I turned him down, then I'm wondering if I've done the right thing when this video tuns up in my suggestions!
@@hodgheg How much of a dissertation would you like about your heart?
I would suggest that they are causing harm. Just like all/most of their "offerings".
@@kellyanneree3252
Sometimes. But mostly???? They give a false sense of security. They don't prevent myocardial infarctions. They postpone them..... for a very steep price.
Oh cool, instead of doing well-controlled, well-designed studies, let's just ask some random nurse what they "can tell us". Yeah.
Poor Ancel Keys, only lived disease free until he was just under 100.
Actually he lived to be slightly more than 100.
@@BillMcHale Oops, you're correct.
@@Joseph1NJ I read that his assistant lived to be 102 and his wife lived to be 97
The problem is that the modern medical industrial complex and the major food conglomerates have not changed and in not doing so are still promoting type 2 diabetes and heart disease, almost half the people in the US are pre-diabetic and the carnage is not slowing down.
It's good business, have you notice how the "Health Care Industry" now even controls the government... and consider who are the biggest "investors/shareholders" hence controllers... rich elites like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds... get it?
It's remarkable (to me) how often I see references to "artery-clogging" saturated fat or "essential" carbohydrates--despite the complete failure to confirm over decades, govt diet advice, medical education and institutions have never reflected the actual science and these concepts continue to be "official" today.
I agree!
Yup it's still aggravated by the London marathon being sponsored by the establishment lever brothers who make flora margarine
Wdym Lol, there hasn't been a failure there's literally hundreds of studies confirming this research. This lady is literally a corporate shill and literally gets money from the animal products industry, it's public record as part of her non profit.
@@maddiekits yes and no
Every lobbyist is pushing their agenda. From carbon trading to battery cars and military industrial complex and the pharmaceutical funfair industrial complex
The biggest evil is advertising
@@peetsnort There's no yes or no lmao, Either you are getting paid a lot of money to say a certain thing or you are not, It's odd that the majority of the people with these views seem to have records pointing to getting paid by large corps. While the apposing plant food people and supporting scientists have very little external influence...
The diets with the highest chance of making companies the most money are the ones being supported isn't that crazy of a connection lol.
We have been victims of bad science for long time
Covid being a great example
it is so riddiculous how almost EVERY dietary recommendation that came out of the US was perfectly wrong and EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you should do ..
be it sugar makes slim. be it smoking is healthy and cool. be it eggs are dangerous for you. be it fat is the problem you have to reduce fat .. and ofc replace it with carbs ..
and so many MANY more ..
Funny you mention smoking. I know some one that smoked palmal everyday. Died in her eighties of non related issues. Does that mean smoking shortened her life?
@@bobmilanowski4979 very probably. yes i know a guy who almost got 100 before dieing whilst smoking a lot .. the exception doesn't disproof the rule. tobacco companies wheren't sued for fortunes for shits n giggles untill they informed their customers about the health risk not to be sued in the future
It is ridiculous until you look at addiction and profit.
@@jacknathaniel5203 The Great Food Grift is hand in hand with the Virus Panic and the Climate Emergency Grift. Whether through corporate greed and/or government extortion through taxes and restrictions, the modern oligarchy continues to push for complete control over our every thought and action.
98%of all stored fat is from fat.
The west never ate a low fat diet like recommended. We just had low fat products added to our lives whilst total food abundance and simultaneous removal of difficult tasks.
Nothing in nutrition science has be debated more. Humans can be perfectly healthy on any diet. As long as we move as well.
I am a pure bred Celt. I also have hemochromatosis. It was the carnivore diet that cured me after I had a heart attack trying to solve my symptoms with a vegetarian diet. Now I eat chicken and seafood and when I do eat red meat I always eat it with cheese to minimize the iron uptake.
Can you prove you pure breed ?
@@okantichrist It’s the internet…you don’t have to prove squat.
I, on the other hand, have low iron (without anemia). I need the iron and for whatever reason my body doesn’t seem to absorb it well. I’m trying to cut out gluten to see if that might have anything to do with it.
I love to hear alternative viewpoints such as this. Thank you for posting.
Thanks for checking out the video! :D
Because cattle are finished ( fattened) in feedlots they aren't eating grass which contains vitamin k2 .Without k2 in our diet calcium isn't digested and absorbed into our bones but accumulates in the organs and blood vessels where it hardens. Changes in animal husbandry is key to this problem.
So maybe better to eat lamb then?
@@krisjustin3884 I am in England, here lamb is so expensive whereas beef is cheap
I eat beef and have no issues with calcium deposits. Eating a carb heavy diet causes high blood glucose, which makes pinholes in blood vessels. Our body responds by plugging the tiny holes with plaque.
Here in Jamaica, our beef is all grass fed and the taste is wonderful.
Just eat grass fed butter?
Remember, 1955 was 10 years after WW2 and America was living large for those 10 years, who doesn't think there was massive excess consumption of booze and food? No one can convince me the heart attacks in those 10 years were caused by fat and beef.
Nothing to do with smoking then?
people have always eaten meat and fat but they smoked like chimneys back then.
It's the sugar and starge.
Add in all the new electromagnetic technology of that time. The heart generates it's own electrical signal, in the sinoatrial node, or SA. Could it be interfered with?
@@tomsawyer4108 Yes
This left out the fact that Keys carefully selected 7 countries, whereas if he had included data from other countries, his graph would have looked much different.
I was just going to post saying the same thing. According to some of the Ketogenic diet Doctors and proponents he CHERRY PICKED the countries in order to have his "slight correlation". His "study" has been well debunked and discredited. Given a normal/wider selection of countries, absolutely no correlation can be seen. So he CREATED some data to support his theory. Yes indeed he lied and by so doing has killed millions.
Today, mega corporations are selling billions of tons of products supported by the idea that saturated fats are unhealthy, making hundreds of billions of dollars. They are also spending billions annually to ensure that their product sales continue unabated. THEY are also killing millions of people. Up to 80% of current nutritional and medical research is false and/or misleading - funded or sponsored directly by these same corporations.
Yep, that's right!
Around the 5:15 mark she discusses the 7 countries study.
@@Ge1Ri4 Yep, ta. I watched the video. Great video, thanks Carnivore Clips. This so much needs to be widely known.
Thats just another one of the lies told by these people. Check it out.
Bodybuilders knew as far back as the 1940s that a high protein low carb mostly carnivore diet was the best diet. They got lean. Their muscles grew best on this diet. The problem was. Unless you were in that world you didn't know...
Best protein comes from plants....
@@lynnritchie231 converted through a animal.
Funny that the oldest living body builders from the 40-60s were all the ones that didn't follow that advise lmao. The most famous example probably being Jack LaLanne.
@@lynnritchie231 🤣🤣🤣 please! We trying to be serious now
@@lynnritchie231 Absolutely NOT!!!!
This is really a story about confirmation bias on a massive scale. In other words how we embrace data that tends to support our beliefs and we disregard data that contradicts it. I grew up with the low fat sermons, and spent 20 years eating mostly carbs. I developed diabetes and then I learned that low fat, high carb diets aggravate my condition. Doctors are slowly starting to acknowledge that fats aren’t all bad but you still hear them advocating “lean meats”, still clinging to the concepts they themselves were raised on.
I like lean meats for one reason. I can eat more of it and while consuming fewer calories.
There is no such thing as complex carbs. Low glycemic index foods are low glycemic index because the carbs are mechanically protected more than any other reason. Pasta is quite low glycemic index where as fluffly bread as high glycemic index as pure glucose. The difference is that the starch grains in pasta are embedded in a dense protein matrix. Eating fat and fibre; even if you do it separately from the carbs; slows down the absorption of carbs from food. Potato sallad is low glycemic index not because of some magic resistant starch nonsense but because it’s a cold lump of potatoes slathered in mayonaise that cannot be quickly dissolved into free starch. Fruit is low glycemic index because it takes time to leach the sugar from the pulp (unless you make juice; then it is indistinguishable from sugar water). It is the form factor and the coating that makes a food low glycemic index; resistant starches and ”complex” carbs make no practical difference at all.
@@verreal "Well, that is a danger of vegetarian diets. First, you've got to be almost exclusively using complex carbs. But if you don't have plenty of healthy fats and proteins in there, it's going to be too much carbs overall" No, despite misinformation from Teicholz and others ALL the healthiest and longest lived populations got 55-85% of their calories from whole food carbs. Too much animal fat and protein makes health worse than would eating whole plant foods instead.
@@karlwheatley1244 ok
Doctors are overpaid drug dealers and full of sh@@,
Eisenhower smoked 4 packs a day. maybe that had something to do with his heart attack?
Why not both?
@@Jabberwockybird smoking causes inflammation, which is what triggers deposits. Without the inflammation,,, fats flow freely
History of plant oils throughout ancient world to present:
6,000 years: olive oil was widely used throughout civilizations in Asia Minor and the Middle East well before the Greek and Roman empires.
4,000 years: coconut meat, water and oil has been used by the people of Southern Asia, the Pacific Islands region, Central and South America - where coconuts grow - as both food and medicine.
3,500 years: sesame oil was produced by the Egyptians, Babylonians and Greeks.
750 years: soybean oil was developed by the Chinese (they formerly used sesame oil and lard) though little is known of it's discovery and how it was produced, but it's safe to conclude it was minimally processed in a way similar to other plant oils before it. Most modern soy oil is produced through chemical methods and higher temperatures (300-500°F). There are still producers who use a "cold press" method which keep temperatures below 123°F and though machinery is used, chemicals are not.
110 years: peanut oil is a new entry as a cooking oil is concerned, though the peanut has been used for thousands of years by cultures living in the Americas. The Portuguese introduced the peanut to China in the early 17th century but it wasn't until the end of China's Qing Dynasty (1636-1911) peanut oil was exchanged for less expensive kerosene as a heating oil, thus making it available to the common man as a cooking oil. But in US, it wasn't until during WWII in 1942, that peanut oil was used as a cooking oil due to the shortage of other oils used in the war effort.
32 years: avocado oil is similar in tale to the oil of the peanut. The avocado was grown and cultivated in the Americas for roughly 3,000 years and used as food, but the oil was first extracted in 1942 (during WWII) in an effort to find other oils in the absence of those being used in the war effort. This process used solvents and rendered the oil unfit for human consumption as most of its nutritional value was compromised. Then in 1990 and process was developed in New Zealand, similar to that used in producing Extra Virgin Olive oil, and food-grade avocado oil industry was born.
Of course, animal-based oils like lard, tallow, fish, etc, and their dairy derivatives (butter and ghee) are even older. The common thread among all is not just their age, or the fact that they're all minimally processed oils that ANYONE COULD MAKE AT HOME with a little knowledge and elbow grease, but that none make a major contribution to heart disease like that of industrial age polyunsaturated "vegetable" oils, smoking highly processed tobacco aka cigarettes, or that of highly processed sugar and HFCS.
There seems to be a theme here.
Cottonseed oil became ‘food’ back around 1860 - even earlier. The 1st heart attack was supposedly in 1921 or 1925. We were too ungodly then to resist fear. Fear is much worse today but so there are so few believers (so many who think thy are believers are out in the weeds of the wide path). Just sad.
I tell everyone about Ancel Keys. Amazing that few even know who he is.
People should know about him, absolutely!
Keys will go down in history as one of the greatest quacks ever.
Fauchi 2point oh
Taubes and Teicholz told outrageous lies about Keys. Do some fact checking.
@@boink800 but here you are, believing a "journalist" without any scietific education, who gets paid by the meat and dairy industry to go on a marketing campaing to push their products. Her presentations are straight from marketing 101, but not alot of scientific proof behind them.
Amazing! Most people all over the world still believe this lie.
Yep! And this has to change! Thanks for watching :)
It's horrifying how this one egomaniac (he wanted to be known as a 'great' scientist) spread so much misinformation.
Because there's been zero studies or evidence that has proved it wrong lol, just a lot of uneducated shills saying nonsense and not understanding statistics lmao
Sheeple.
@@boink800 Sounds like the Fauci of his time. Arrogant SOB.
To coin a phrase, the science was settled
Complete misinformation because we choose what we wanna believe. Lobbyists like Nina and Gary Taubes who use Yerushalmy and Herman's 1957 paper as reference conveniently forget to mention Ancel's 1953 paper and his explanation. He actually published a table of 16 countries for all cause mortality
and he chose them because they were reasonably comparable in race, climate, culture, medical systems and vital statistics. But he bemoaned the fact that he could only find six that had comparable vital statistics specific to heart disease and diet. Listening to these liars, you can tell how little they've read about the study.
Let’s not forget the blame that Phil Sokolof deserves. Among other things, his anti-saturated fat campaign is what forced McDonald’s to quit cooking french fries in beef tallow. He spent millions blaming saturated fat for problems unrelated to its consumption.
Didn’t Keys also discard data, from other countries, that didn’t agree with his hypothesis?
correct. he cherry picked the data. What a fraud of a man.
Keys looked at 25 countries and only found 7 that could support his hypothesis. Spain barely made it and here's why. Spain as a whole eats a moderater amount of saturated fat and has a corresponding Coronary Artery Disease rate. However, coastal Spain eats little saturated fat and has a high CAD rate. While central Spain eats a lot of saturated fat and has a low CAD rate. This is called, "The Spanish Paradox." Keys kept Spain rather than settle for a "Six Countries Study."
Cholesterol has been implicated in atherosclerosis since the early 1900's. The Framingham study started in 1950. Ansel Keys wasn't the instigator of saturated fat causing heart disease.
Show me any evidence for your claim !!
She left out the biggest problem with the 7 counties study. It was the originally 22 countries study. Keys left out the 15 countries that disproved his theory. Places that ate a lot of fat with low amounts of heart disease, and places that had a low fat diet with high amounts of heart disease.
A lot of misunderstanding in the comments. Olive oil, avocado oil and coconut oil are NOT seed oils or 'vegetable oils'.
'Vegetable oils' (the name is deliberately misleading) are manufactured from plant seeds or beans e.g. sunflower, canola, cottonseed, soybean, peanuts, rice bran etc. These oils are highly processed, high in polyunsaturated fat and very chemically unstable and go rancid easily.
Olives and avocados are fruits. The oil is extracted by pressing the flesh of the fruit. Olive and avocado oils are much higher in saturated and monounsatured fats compared to 'vegetable oils'. They are more chemically stable and go rancid less easily.
Coconut oil is high in saturated fat. It is chemically stable and does not go rancid easily. Palm oil (also not made from seeds) is similar.
Olive oil has been used for centuries, although the extent to which it was eaten as a food in ancient times is disputed. It may have been used more often for skin hygiene, lighting, rituals etc. rather than eating, but the evidence is inconclusive.
'Vegetable oils' are a product of industrialisation that were first made in the later 1800s. They were gradually introduced into people's diets as replacements for traditional fats such as tallow, lard, butter and olive oil. No one ate these processed vegetable oils beore 1850.
Totally agree with all you said.
You should add "extra virgin", "first press" or "cold press" to olive\avocado\coconut oil, because the non-extra virgin\first press varieties are more processed and less healthy.
@@hackman88 I agree that these are better. However, I would say that even 'non virgin' versions of these oils are much better than vegetable/seed oils (so long as they don't have additives and haven't been adulterated by the addition of cheaper seed oils). Personally, I tend to use beef tallow and occasionally duck or goose fat for cooking.
Look up the nutritional makeup of human mother’s milk - the most intentionally existing most natural food for babies. 55% of calories in mothers milk are saturated fat. While mother’s milk is perfect baby food, it still follows that saturated fats are toxic purely defies all reason and experience.
Doesnt make much sense.
Eskimos eat very high levels of saturated fats no heart attacks , American pizza / Fried chicken equates to problems
@@verreal yes! Even their mummies had atherosclerosis.
If I remember well, the study was made in 22 countries, but since he didn't get any "positive" results, he kept only 7.
Convenient smoke screen for the damage done by vegetable oils and trans-fats
Seed oils (vegetable oils) and carbohydrates are both bad.
Ancel Keys lived to over 100
Dr Kenneth Cooper MD does cite the beginnings of a rehabilitation programme in his book 'Aerobics', first published in 1968. His initial controlled trials was with the US Air Force population and he does cite a few examples.
Most of his exercise programmes were based around walking, running, swimming and cycling, all forms which require good technique to execute and may be age dependant whereas a bicycle had to correctly fit the person which may be of a different style or have multiple gears and/or the person may not live in an area with flat terrain. There are so many variables.
These days, most hospital authorities have excellent cardiac rehabilitation programmes.
It turns out a high fat diet is healthy now.
So how can we explain the correlation between high fat, meat heavy diets of today and high heart attack rates?
Quite easily.
Most of the fat being eaten is polyunsaturated, because most of the meat being eaten has been highly processed and cooked in polyunsaturated fats.
Your epidemiological study (glorified survey) probably didn't separate the guy eating a grass fed rib fillet cooked in grass fed tallow from the guy eating his 2nd large quarter pounder meal for the day.
@@HoisinCrispyOwl more than 90% of meat/dairy/eggs come from hellish factory farm conditions. But those farms are the only way it is possible to have the amount of meat we do. If we abolished factory farms and everyone only ate all natural grass fed ancestral organic Elk or whatever, you'd only get a portion once every 3 months.
Seed oils, sugars, possibly smoking at the same time? People have been told not to eat fat for years, people who dont listen to their dr about one thing often dont on others. Healthy user bias
Margarine is outlawed in over 50 countries, just saying.
I believe that the original study that Keys conducted was actually 22 countries, but he cherry picked the 7 that demonstrated least, the opposite of his hypothesis.
"I believe that the original study that Keys conducted was actually 22 countries, but he cherry picked the 7 that demonstrated least, the opposite of his hypothesis." THAT is a myth that has been spread on the Internet. A few years before his 7-nations study, Keys gave a speech covering national data on 22 nations--and that is the bit many low-carb gurus use to falsely claim he cherry-picked the data. The seven nations study was very carefully done and very expensive, and Keys didn't have the money to collect this far more extensive data on 22 nations. He picked the seven nations to study in depth based on solid theoretical reasons and the study was very well conducted--and some of the myths spread on line about the study don't hold water. But whether you look at the 7 nations or the 22 nations, the same pattern held--consumption of animal protein and fat were connected to heart disease (and animal protein was highly correlated with mortality in the 22 nations).
This carefully-researched video debunks Teicholz's claims about fat. Keys, and the 7 nations study. ua-cam.com/video/OkqWdY5_2-8/v-deo.html
@@karlwheatley1244 😂😂😂 Your comment deserves no more reaction than that 😂😂😂
@@Nite-owl Thanks for your reply David. I take it you don't want to look into the actual facts of the matter. As someone who researches and teaches nutrition at a university, it always makes me sad when people don't want to look at the actual facts.
@@karlwheatley1244 It 100% depends where the "actual facts" come from. If they are being delivered by someone with a dog in the fight, the "facts" are tainted and therefore 100% untrustworthy. Every single study or video that I've seen that argues in favour of plant based lifestyle, or against animal products in general, has been tainted by underlying interests either by the researchers, or the funding of the studies. It also makes ME sad when people try to push an ethical belief on others in spite of the evidence I've seen as well as logic and common sense. You do you, and I'll do me. Don't expect to see me on your side of the fence in this lifetime, and I won't expect to see you on mine. It's ok to disagree, it's called being different 🙂
@@karlwheatley1244 Facts are facts and should always deliver the same result regardless of who does the experiment, providing the methods used are the same. It seems strange to me that I've seen plenty of studies showing that animal products are the optimal diet for our species, some of which are no doubt flawed or biased, but I've never seen a study showing animal product consumption is dangerous by anyone that DEFINITELY HAS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, and that's a big difference.
Hi Nina,
I'm a big fan of yours.
I want to point out that Ansel Keys committed a major fraud with the "Seven Country" study.
In fact, he studied more thsn 20 countries but cherry-picked only the 7 countries that supported his hypothesis.
Best regards,
David Silverman
That's what in her book.
Those countries were not cherry picked, they had standards, the countries which were excluded failed to meet the test criteria. You folks complain about epidemiology then when the science is done correctly excluding poorly collected data you use that as a weapon against properly done science. Here is a historical article which describes how Finland used Dr. Keyes Seven Country Study to turn around an epidemic of death in that country. www.inspq.qc.ca/pdf/publications/1624_NorthkareliaProjectFinland.pdf
Science works, just so you know, this horrible video present some very poor epidemiology to discredit a brilliant scientist who has saved millions of lives. Ms. Teicholz on the other hand is selling folks a slow death. Death by diet takes decades but at the end.....it is a very painful and horrible death. On the other hand, if you have great genes, you just die younger than you needed too.
@@jglee6721 I'm an American living in Antalya, Turkey and getting books from the US is difficult and expensive. I depend on UA-cam for Information but I thought that including that fact would have enhanced her commentary a great deal.
@@Namrevlis1938 Good point. Thanks.
The thing about "total mortality" is that it's always 100%. If you don't die of your bleeding peptic ulcer today, you may have a heart attack in 30 years or cancer further down the line. Everybody is dead before they reach 120 years.
The most that any treatment or lifestyle change can do is to prolong your healthy life. But that's what we want! The analysis required to tease that out has to be more detailed than can be shown in a single headline figure.
In 1972 a British physiologist and nutritionist by the name of John Yudkin wrote a book called Sugar, Pure White and Deadly. Yudkin's ideas were attacked and discreated by Ancel. Ancel made John look like a ''quack'' physiologist and John Yudkin disappeared into obscurity. Now we have an obesity epidemic, a diabetes epidemic and we now know that John got it right and Ancel got it totally wrong. Ancel even knew he was wrong because his seven countries study had many other countries but these countries were outliers from the data he wanted to present. Also what about the French? They loved fat in their diet and were healthy. Ancel called this the French Paradox. He could not explain it.
Keys' attack on Yudkin was based on what I think was a false assumption by both (not sure about Yudkin on this) , which is that there was only one risk factor that mattered. Most modern nutritionists would agree that high intake levels of processed sugar and saturated fats are risk factors.
Victim, Villain, Hero. Recipe for power.
I wonder if the tobacco industry found it helpful to blame heart problems on bacon…..
Lard > vegetable oil. Change my mind.
He killed my grandmothers with those poisonous replacements for butter.
🌿 From 🍃plant based diet to KETO🥩 - all blood tests improved. Go figure ... 🤔
The problem is processed food and the food industry has a lot to answer for here with the emphasis on profit rather than nutrition, so much that is produced bares little relationship to a healthy diet.
The nutritional value of many crops has also diminished with modern mono methods of farming .
So much this. In simple terms, the basic problem is that the processed food industry is very good at taking the pulse of the Nation and producing food that may follow the latest dietary recommendation but only by throwing the diet out of wack in the other direction. First processed foods were dominated by unhealthy fats (saturated and trans fats)... what fats are bad for you? Okay, lets load the food with sugar. Next bad result okay... now everyone is afraid of sugar... lets go back to fat.....
funny that the 7 country study, which was actually 21 countries from which he then cherry picked 7 countries that helped his narrative the most BUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT PART
"funny that the 7 country study, which was actually 21 countries from which he then cherry picked 7 countries that helped his narrative the most BUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT PART" Because that's a phony Internet/low-carb myth. He picked the 7 countries to study in depth for perfectly valid reasons that he explained in his writings but data from all 22 countries shows the same pattern, as does research from the last 60 years. Keys was right.
Thank you.
Why doesn't she display or quote any actual studies that prove her conclusion, that follow on tests of Keys' hypothesis showed no effect of saturated fat on mortality? She just says it's her summary but her summary of what? I mean the first paragraph on Wikipedia about Keys lists all the studies that back him up.
She has a book to read?
I'm getting close to 70 and had two stents placed in my heart at age 58 or I would have died within 2 days of my stress test. One grandfather died at 67 from a massive heart attack! I'm trying to eat well and get exercise, and I'm on a statin. My cholesterol is "good' but I'm still concerned, but not overly so. And my cardiologist is a believer in the cholesterol hypothesis.
I guess we'll see if I croak soon. But I'm starting to feel, with the country and the world as it is, would that be so bad?🤔
In the words of Debbie Harry, "Die young, stay pretty ". I have around 5 to 10 years to go to outlive the last generation of men in my family- am I worried? No, they pretty much all died pretty suddenly, my own father in particular.
Well, have you changed your diet? Grain free, limited vegetables and fruits, mainly meat and fat is a real and healthy way to eat and it’s what humans ate before industrialization killed our diets.
@@amytrumbull156 Actually I have. Feel much better when I eat that way and have lost some weight. Thanks for your interest.👍
@@rogersmith8339 Sorry for your losses. My people are all gone, except for siblings and cousins. And time is running out for all of us. But that's life. The best way to stay "pretty" is to stay healthy, and maybe live longer to enjoy it. 👍
Check out David Diamond. He has debunked the idea that cholesterol is bad.
Look at Julia Child she was 92 real butter & cream in her cooking.
Excellent presentation
Almost all processad fats are bad for our Bodies. We need a small amount of fat and that small amount should come from Whole Foods like nuts and seeds not oils or dairy.
i go with what is best for the environment (not me) and what is the least cruel/painful method of harvesting!
And thanks to this the food pyramid was created with fats and oils on the top and killer carbohydrates on the bottom.
I'm curious to know what caused the massive increase in heart attacks in the 50's, way before the new dietary guideline was issued. Some assumptions are briefly discussed at the begining of this video, but nothing concrete. Any thoughts ?
Sedentary lifestyle? Sugar? Bread from manufactured wheat? Vegetable oil?
My armchair guess would be a combination of smoking, greater consumption of sugar, increased use of vegetable oils, and an increase of processed carbs in the diet.
Probably better diagnosis techniques and record keeping.
So a lot of things we have been told simply aren't true as I have suspected for years.
That's right
More children eat ice cream in the summer, also more children drown in the summer. Therefore eating ice cream leads to drowning. That is an association.
Corn oil cannola oil Polson. Coconut grape seed and olive oil good. Butter from grass fed cows good. Real lard good
Great content lady . Dr Mercola , Dr Joel Wallach , Dr Berg etc would agree with you .
It seems Eisenhower was a 50 a day smoker and that may have been the source of his heart attack not saturated fat
It is just a tad ironic that Keys lived to be 100 years old don't you think! John Yudkin died much earlier..
So did a bunch of members of his team. Keyes is the most lied about scientist ever. Plant Chompers has a few videos debunking claims against the man. It's crazy when you see how they are just blatant lies
At the end she speaks of randomised studies on consuming sat fats in mental institutions conducted in many different countries. Anyone have links to these studies, or their names?
Minnesota Mens’ Study. Sydney Heart Study.
And how does one explain the North Karelia Project and their success in improving health and increasing the lifespans of Finnish folks by moving their diets away from Red Meat to more fish and plant based foods?
Really there should be a T-shirt that says "Ancel Keys has a lot to answer for"
Keys, had a degree in business and fish pathology, not human medicine nor nutrition. He was a fraud...
Keys studied 22 nations, then cherry picked the data that supported his hypothesis. Curiously two nations who eat the highest fat per person, Italy and France were not one of the 7 chosen. BECAUSE his hypothesis was crap. He was bully, the American president had had a heart attack, people were dying of heart disease that clearly had nothing to do with industrial pollution and cigarett smoking. Bazillions of dollars can be made off of fields of wheat, if there was just some way to get humans to eat pig feed.
When did people start using olive oil?
My family started to use olive oil in the mid eighties. Before that we would see it on holiday in France or you could buy a tiny bottle at the chemists to use as ear drops!
Crisco made by proctor and gamble f'd everyone !
What were the results of the folks who ate the unsaturated fats like margarine or seed oils?
Margarine, at least up until recently, was a major source of trans fats, and thus as a major risk factor in heart disease (even if we didn't know it at the time). Canola oil, which some on here have claimed as poison, was used as part of the North Karelia project which resulted in a remarkable increase in the life expectancy of the Finnish people. Does that prove it is health food, not sure it does since there were several risk factors addressed in the Project, but it was part of several lifestyle changes the Finnish people made that took them from having the lowest life expectancy in Europe to one of the highest.
Ironically even though the myth has been debunked the food supply is worse than ever; even tortillas are made with synthetic canola oil instead of lard.
Thanks Nina
Just goes to show you, ego plus power equals hellish results.
Ancel Keys...kinda like Anthony Fauci
Good thing Ancel passed, he'd be getting huge blame for creating the obesity epidemic with his lies.
Try and tell that to my cardiologist, GP, endocrinologist, nutritionist, friends, family and acquaintances and they shake their heads, laugh at me and tell me I'm wrong. Several of them are normal weight and are type 2 diabetics and even though I'm fat I don't have T2D. They don't believe that either. I'm carnivore and can go for a whole day without eating and it's funny when they get hangry after a couple of hours lol.
If multiple doctors and nutritionists disagree with you, you should really worry whether you're wrong. Try to leave your filter bubble and see why the scientific consensus disagrees with you.
How are you fat?
I would laugh and shake my head too if my job and livelihood depended on it.....what we say is controlled by our paycheck.
@@Pyriphlegeton Sure. Your argument is exactly the reason why wrong opinions establish themself so pervasively in society.
@@mreese8764
*trying to understand why the scientific consensus disagrees with you?*
Ah yes, the root cause of wrong ideas. Fucking hell.
Please explain how you're more qualified to understand this issue than actual experts in the field.
It’s hard to trust a journalist who doesn’t research her facts and isn’t accurate about basic facts. In just the first 10 minutes, she’s “misspoken”:
1. Ancel Keys was a physiologist, not a pathologist. The former is a study of the normal, while the latter studies the abnormal.
2. Suet is the raw fat from either beef of sheep, while tallow is the rendered fat.
Both Ancel keys and his wife died 100 years old. Coincidence? I don't think so!
It was a lot more than 7 country survey more like 20 but they did not fit his graph so he cut it down to 7
Absolute rubbish That is just one of the lies told by these people. Check the facts instead of just blindly believing these hucksters.
@@tomgoff7887 Believe what you like vegtards is not the way to go
Christ. It's scary how many people fall for misinformation. Let me guess, you think every school shooting is just a bunch of crisis actors trying to take away your guns, right?
@@jonr4779 “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain
You forget to mention that the 7 land study was accualie a 12 lans study.
But in 5 lands the result were.
More saturated fats les mortallytie.
Then the skipped these 5 lands out of the study
I believe you mean a 22 country study... except it wasn't. That is a myth that comes essentially from two graphs that can be seen at www.bluezones.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Blue-Zones3.jpg. The first graph was published several years before the study even began, the second graph was published the year the study started and is not results for the study itself. It is also notable that without controlling for other risk factors, the type of fat and the age distribution in the countries involved, it does demonstrate a reasonably strong correlation between fat consumption and mortality.
Sugar industry boomed 💰💰💰
Everyone here says olive oil is a vegetable oil. Olive trees produce olives. Doesn't that make it either a fruit or nut? Not a vegetable?
A fruit
in the absence of advice people jump on the advice that sound plausible
Wow. Ok, so what is the cause of the dramatic increase in heart attacks in the last 70 years? Is it lack of exercise, lack of physical activity?
I think the modern consensus is that there are several major factors. One is lack of physical activity/exercise, and the other two are both diet related. It seems processed foods, especially white sugar, and excessive saturated fat in the diet are both major risk factors.
Very interesting video
Just eat food that's not processed.
Angel Keyes was an evangelical vegetarian.
I USE GEE BUTTER TO MAKE MY EGGS IN THE MORNING!!
You know there is always ambulance found at accidents. Perhaps they are responsible for accidents
😂
But to quote a famous former president....."the science is settled"
Drink raw milk from grass fed cows and goats daily.
Isn't genocide a crime???
People have been using olive oil for millennia but why spoil a good story with ugly facts.
The slave class has been using olive oil for millennia, just as they've been using grains.
She's talking about seed oils, I think that was mentioned. Btw, the olive oil (at least outside of southern Europe) is of horrible quality