I mean why reference metal sonic then present a brand new metal sonic that wasn’t in the game anywhere else? It clearly wasn’t mecha sonic so it has to be Silver Sonic from Sonic 2 especially since in the Archie comics encyclopedia does refer to the robot as Silver Sonic
THAT'S what causes the Big the Cat texture glitch? When I first got my Dreamcast I didn't have a VMU until a month or two later, so I ran through Sonic Adventure in a single sitting and experienced this glitch one single time. All these years and I could never recreate it. I told friends and they thought I was making it up like it was some kind of urban legend... I feel vindicated!
@@Boysermusic Ah, gotcha. You're one of those failure trolls that quickly backs themselves into a corner by repeating one response in the hope of minor annoyance. The catch 22 is that you can't defend yourself because you'd be saying something other than "ok," but saying "ok" now would just mean you played into my hand after calling you out. This is always such a satisfying anti-troll. I await your response (or lack thereof in this case).
My dad would say it all the time in the 90's so it was definitely in the general lexicon, as in it was common enough to have lost its association to the commercials. Well, until kids like me would ask the same question, "Who's Charlie??"
In his parody of Sonic Adventure, Roger van der Weide made everyone in the cast abuse the Chao throughout the whole video, justifying Chaos's motivation to destroy Station Square.
Exactly, this also reminded me of that video lol. Tails and Eggman used Chao in karate battles, Knuckles killed a Chao by overfeeding him, Amy whacked a Chao egg with her hammer, Knuckles' tribe attacked the peaceful Chao, and even the General was punching a Chao through the whole video. That's why Chaos wanted revenge on everyone, and he disappointed his honorary father
"Sorry Charlie" comes from a series of Sun-Kist commercials from the 70's/80's. It's become a really common American expression, especially in the north-east. It has a pretty similar meaning to "too bad" or "that sucks." I hear it almost every day.
One thing that i absolutely love about Sonic Adventure, is that it takes a lot of inspiration from south american and latin american (specially México) culture, i think that it gives the game the sensation of an actual adventure because of the different places it takes in, also since Pachacamac and Tikal are based on Mexican culture that makes me love this character a ton since i'm a mexican myself
This is one of my favourite aspects of the game too. And since I first played it many years ago, it has been my dream to go to Mexico and visit Tikal. I finally managed to do it in 2017 😁 it was a bucket list moment for me
@@14Cathy14 haha yes it is. On my Mexico trip we went to Guatemala and Belize too. I just call it my Mexican trip for short. I realise now it looks like I'm talking shit 🤣
You can talk to a gambling addicted mother, a man in an affair, and a woman who is swimming as you are drowning Sonic the hedgehog: A family friendly franchise
Fun fact about that drawing for "Sonic the Human" the patch on his sleeve is actually a "section ID" insignia from Phantasy Star Online, which many members of Sonic Team also worked on. In PSO when creating your character you'll get assigned a section ID based off the hex data of characters used to make your name and your section ID would actually influence the drop weights of certain weapon types and even have some drops be exclusive to certain IDs to encourage trading online. The one on "Sonic the Human" was Oran, which made daggers drop more often but rods rarer.
Actually, the Egg Walker map for Tails is using a slightly older version of that part of the hub world. (From the AutoDemo). That's why The Man 3 poster is there. Those posters were all over the AutoDemo, and got changed to the regular Chao in Space posters you see in the final game. If the Egg Walker map was using the finished version of the hub world, the poster would've been the regular Chao in Space
Two things I feel should've been added. 1) Game Apologiest found out that the mysterious Metal Sonic is actually a MechaGodzilla reference, as his design is heavily based on the mecha. 2) Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #4 (2021) actually has a villan's hideout be a 1 to 1 recreation of the SA1 casino, down to the floating hint computer outside.
Yeah, I remember Nick's video came out a few days after mine and he replied to a comment on this video about the MechaGodzilla revelation. Regarding the Batman fact, that's really cool, thanks
Yeah, it means nothing there. 666 comes from christianity, which is roughly 1% of population in Japan. They are more superstitious towards numbers 4 and 9. So if it had something like 444 in Ace Combat 7 or 4444 in Neo Contra then yeah
@@EvangeRei I mean just because they're not Christian doesn't mean they can't be influenced by Christianity. I'm pretty sure the creator of Samurai Jack isn't a Hindu, but he still put explicitly Hindu imagery in the series. Granted I think it's just a cooincidence to but that's a weak argument.
Here’s something I noticed while playing the game that you didn’t mention: the story you see in game is the character you’re playing telling their side of the story and not 100% what actually happened. When tails and sonic run into knuckles for the first time in the story there are 3 different sets of dialogue and scenes for example. It’s slightly skewed in such a way that it implies this isn’t accurate to what happened as much as it’s whatever character you’re playing as telling you what happened and thus slightly skewed. If you’re playing as sonic for this scene the dialogue has knuckles being confused and refusing to listen to sonic while tails is kinda irrelevant. If you’re playing as Knuckles sonic and tails are a bit more antagonistic and knuckles wins the fight against sonic (lol, okay sure... ) and then fights Chaos 4 and beats him. If you’re playing as Tails sonic doesn’t really say or do anything antagonistic to knuckles and knuckles is a bit more antagonistic and tails beats Chaos 4 instead. All 3 yolo soloing the boss may seem like just a gameplay aspect that tosses the story out the window. But the slight dialogue changes in every shared scene and those changes being in a way that it’s biased to the point of view of which character you play as implies that these 6 stories aren’t what actually happened. It’s 6 characters telling you what happened, and as people do when they tell a story, also either intentionally skewing a few details of not remembering them correctly.
the thing abt amy potentially wearing inhibitor rings gave me a headcanon idea. mayb she can run as fast as sonic, but wears the inhibitor rings so she can live a normal humanlike lifestyle (since she's seen carrying groceries in the beginning of her story meaning she probably even has her own apartment, and way of earning money) and doesnt want to tear around everywhere too fast. and she doesnt take them off bc shes so used to them being on, that she forgets they're even there! (and shes not really the sharpest tool in the shed...)
Classic characters (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman and Amy) can be seen in the Slot Machine in Casinopolis. For some reason they used Classic designs and not the Modern ones even though it's just pictures and not 3D models. So in conclusion Sonic Adventure contains the first appearance of Classic versions of the characters in a Modern Sonic game way before Sega seperated the two universes in Sonic Generations. Also the other thing that is often missed is that the Sonic 3D Blast music that appears in the game is based on the Demo Takes for 3D Blast (which are basically MIDI versions of the music). Main theme for Twinkle Park for example is an unused song from these Demo Takes called "Bonus Knuckles".
27:48 I noticed this when playing Sonic Adventure 2 as well. There's a part towards the end of the game where Knuckles is holding the Master Emerald, but it's pretty much the same size as one of the regular Chaos Emeralds. Though I guess if these emeralds can do things like warp you through space or give you godlike powers, I guess it's not out of the question that they'd be able to change size. Also Amy clearly wears inhibitor rings because she's the ultimate _ultimate_ life form, the most powerful being in the universe. Trust me, my uncle works for Sega.
Haha, thanks for the Amy confirmation from your uncle. Gerald Robotnik shouldn't have created an edgy Sonic clone, he should've created an edgy Amy clone!
Personally I don't agree with her wearing inhibitor rings at least they weren't designed too be in my opinion because shadow was made in the next game sa2 so they were at least not designed too be because shadow and the inhibitor rings didn't exist yet
I remember hearing a rumor on the internet several years ago that there was a Shadow the Hedgehog easter egg in the DX version of the game, underneath one of the waterfalls in the Perfect Chaos level.
Something I want to add is that when playing as Sonic, even when Knuckles story is still going on, if you travel to Angel Island the emerald will be intact.
The sorry Charlie one is actually a reference to the starkest tuna fish mascot Charlie where at the end of each commercial they would say “sorry Charlie” when something bad happened to Charlie
"The Fugitive escaped from jail, in burning Hell." - this riddle quest has always been imprinted into my mind as a kid because I thought this line was pretty scary. (It's the items you could find in DX, they were all hidden and only to be found by riddles. This particular one was for Red Mountain act 2, aimed towards the figures inside their jails...in "burning hell".)
I could be wrong, but I don't think Knuckles ever had a different voice actor in the E3 demo. I just think Michael McGaharn played him differently originally and then he had to re-record his lines for some reason. Honestly, I think his first take was better.
A Note about the title card jingles; the Egg Carrier jingle is used in the final game during the Egg carrier transformation cutscenes. The Station Square jingle was used in a PC demo for Sonic Adventure DX. After completing any of the demo levels a screen would appear saying, "Thanks for playing, see you in the retail version!" The jingle would play over that screen.
I have another theory that _Sonic Adventure_ and _Sonic Adventure 2_ were inspired by _AKIRA._ The destruction of Station Square (by a blob monster no less) and its flooding is very reminiscent of how Neo-Tokyo looked as it was being destroyed. Shadow is a hidden military experiment hidden away in stasis accessible via a funicular tunnel like the manga's namesake and Dr. Eggman's english voice sounds similar to Colonel Shikishima's voice in the Streamline dub of the film.
My reactions to the adventure field jingles Ss 24:16 : that's a very nice sounding jingle you've got there Mr 1 24:21 : that reminds me of crash bandicoot music Mr 2 24:30 : *THIS DOES NOT REMIND ME OF CRASH BANDICOOT AT ALL* Ec 24:39 : actually that sounds like something related to eggman
While the GC version of DX has worse controls and lighting vs. the Dreamcast version, the GC version had skippable cutscenes, better water textures, actual rewards for getting emblems and an improved Station Square Chao Garden.
I swear everytime I hear about the DX version and the loop in Emerald coast makes me face plam everytime, since it only glitches if you were to stop your moment for whatever reason. And some people just don't seem to get that
>complain that Sonic Adventure is on rails and has too many spectacles that locks you in running straight only >try to do literally everything other than running straight during every spectacle moment in the game >complain that the game is broken It's like they understand the game completely and are complete morons who can't comprehend the understanding they have at the same time.
@@ThatBugBehindYou to be fair the game would be so much better without the automated segments, its why the new games are unplayable for me since they quadrupled down on auto-game spectacle.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 To be Fair automated segments were the backbone of Sonic since the loop in Sonic 1 and the automated segments could be messed with in the original adventure game just like they could in Sonic 1. I agree that the level of On-Rails experience we have now is outrageous but big spectacle moments in at least one or two stages that only last 5% of the stage itself are enjoyable to see and it's really honestly hard to agree that the game would be better without them. Regardless none of this has to do with my snarky crap comment, the thing I was describing was my frustration with people KNOWING something won't work and complaining about it only to pretend like they never knew doing the thing they complained about not working, shockingly, doesn't work.
26:40 - There’s also a 1998 SEGA arcade game called SpikeOut which has some prototype Sonic redesign artwork (with green eyes) displayed on a wall in the SEGA Mall level.
Gogdamn! This is fascinating. The only bit of trivia I can offer is in the "Sold Out" port of SADX has the Japanese dialogue present- and can be played in a CD Player (thats how I accidentally found the dialogue). I did this as I heard the "Xplosive" ports work in CDPlayers- I can at least say the Sonic R port dose & doubles as a music CD (the Xplosive port of SADX is impossible to find).
@@JohnnyVector Just a little warning Track 1 should be unplayable as that's most likely the game data - but I found out some CD players try to interpret it as sound resulting in digital screeching.
You know, I never expected someone to actually use one of my clips (14:43, Alex's Craphole is my secondary channel, also, the Red Mountain tutorial is a leftover from the TGS 1998 demo which had Red Mountain as Knuckles' stage).
14:07 It's a reference to a brand of tuna called StarKist Tuna, whose mascot is a blue tuna named Charlie. In the commercials, Charlie wanted to be caught and used in StarKist Tuna because he "had good taste" (because pun). But people would tell him "Sorry, Charlie" because it would result in his death.
The “Sorry Charlie” monitor is also present during the other stories as I’ve seen it on Sonic and Tails’ stories as well. It’s also slang for “get over it!”
I'm exclusively a Sonic Genesis Era/Collection/Origins Fan I'm just here for the Michael Jackson cameo you had in the thumbnail, and I got a bonus half life fact. Thank you for not disappointing good sir, have a great day.
Love the Sonic 3 & Knuckles iceberg video so it is a treat to see this being made too. The Adventure games seem to have a lot of intresting behind the scenes and beta stuff though that can be thanks to it being the first really 3D games of the series. I am surprised that the Archie Sonic Adventure aduptation wasn't mentioned because looking back at that aduptation, it is pretty bizarre.
Thanks! I've not read any of the Archie Sonic run, but I've always wanted to because it looks pretty interesting to say the least. I'll have to check it out!
6:04 There is a Possibility that, That Robot Is Silver Sonic, which is the Pre-Final Boss in Sonic 2 when you get to Death Egg, but we' ll, everyone can think differently, this is just my guess!
A lot of people refer to him as Silver Sonic Mark 2, or something similar. It turns out he's actually based off of Mecha Godzilla! The Game Apologist has a video on it.
Man you just keep covering my favorite games! SADX is the game I play the most on the GameCube along with Madden 08. Amazing video, hope you continue to make more.
pretty sure the Chaos Emeralds used to be Super Emeralds at the past and Sonic 3 and Knuckles just give the chance to play through a "what if" by letting Sonic turn these back to their original form to become hyper.
In the dreamcast version if you have 3 joystick conected at the same time with a VMU inserted in the 3th controller and you enter en in hub world, when you press start button in that 3th controller, you will get a Chao puzzle game in the display of that VMU.
10:55 That's actually not the Knuckles' "oh no" which is used in the final game and is now a meme. The "oh no" you're talking about is slightly quicker, and Knuckles says it a little later on in the cutscene you showed. Here: ua-cam.com/video/eHbUc8Te3aw/v-deo.html Other than that, great video! Lots of stuff I didn't know about. Keep up the great work!
Awesome work on the video there! SA2 might be next on the list for an iceberg I'm guessing, or something else? Would you possibly be interested in doing an Iceberg video for another Sega property in the near future? Like perhaps Phantasy Star or Streets of Rage?
Thanks! I am considering starting SA2 after my next video. I'm not too sure what will come after that, but I am a big Streets of Rage fan so that's a possibility.
The Sonic X as the actual Director's Cut video has been removed from YT...I was really looking forward to watching it. But overall great video! I thought I knew most of the obscure trivia about Sonic Adventure but I guess I hadn't even scratched the surface.
A thing - You can play the OG Sonic Adventure on Xbox 360. One time Sega launched a collection of games, with Space Channel, Crazy Taxi, Bass Fishing AND Sonic Adventure. It's not widescreen, it's still 4:3 but it's on Xbox 360, that is what matters
About Chao talking. The original Sonic Adventure games had Chao Adventure mini games on the VMU called Chao Adventure and Chao Adventure 2. In these, the Chao will stop occasionally to ask the player a question about themselves.
9:15 the reason the man 3 appears is because the Egg Walker fight was built of, of an older map which had the man 3 and could actually be seen in the auto demo although the texture was messed up
Both sonic adventure games were so mysterious to me. I played them back in the early 2000s on the game cube. At that time the internet wasn’t was popular ,especially for a kid in a family that didn’t use computers much , so finding weird mysterious things in the game was so crazy cus only the only people you could talk to were kids at the playground or siblings
The station square jingle actually can be listened on the Sonic Adventure DX Demo for the PC i remember that when you finish a stage a screen appears saying thank you for playing with that jingle
That “oh no” was the greatest inside joke for years in my childhood. Teacher sending you to the office? Oh no. Parents getting a divorced? Oh no. Sexually assaulted by a childhood friend you trusted since you were 4? Oh no.
Pretty good video however you made a few mistakes. Knuckles's "Oh No" scene wasn't when he was fighting Chaos but shortly after that when Angel Island was begining to fall. You forgot to mention that Pleasure Castle's music was also a Sonic 3D Blast track that was unused in the final game. GameHut uploaded the demo tape of it on his channel. Also I'm pretty sure the burger statue taking trips was a reference to hint you can pick him up and carry him around.
The hate mail over Johnny dying is kind of funny considering just how much of a non-character Johnny was. He wasn't even a yes-man. He was just there. He rarely spoke more than 1 line, made basically no decisions, had no explanation on how strong he was or why he was strong, where he learned to fight, his backstory, anything, he was just 'that other dude'
I always thought that the unknown metal sonic was actually silver sonic from sonic 2 but he got upgraded in SA1
Cool theory, they definitely look kind of similar
Kinda makes me think, it's a Sonic version of Mecha Knuckles from Advance 2 (or was it Advance 1?)
Yeah, I took always thought it was just Silver Sonic, just looking different because it was being rendered in 3D for the first time
I mean why reference metal sonic then present a brand new metal sonic that wasn’t in the game anywhere else? It clearly wasn’t mecha sonic so it has to be Silver Sonic from Sonic 2 especially since in the Archie comics encyclopedia does refer to the robot as Silver Sonic
I thought the same thing
15:52 i can't believe they actually fucking sent Sonic to Brazil.
It's downright criminal, really.
if you look closely he even bonks his head on the plane door before dropping at 16:11
*tragic events in history: sonic's death, when jumping out of a plane he forgot his parachute and fucking died*
@@xxxtefennixxx i don't know if he died or he just bonked
You're going to Brazil
The creepy egg carrier jingle is actually used when the egg carrier changes mode in the story.
what do you mean
@@garsrandom4358 when egg carrier extends its wings ua-cam.com/video/chJQduP70Og/v-deo.html
THAT'S what causes the Big the Cat texture glitch? When I first got my Dreamcast I didn't have a VMU until a month or two later, so I ran through Sonic Adventure in a single sitting and experienced this glitch one single time. All these years and I could never recreate it. I told friends and they thought I was making it up like it was some kind of urban legend... I feel vindicated!
Same!
Ok
@@Boysermusic Weird response...
FreakinSweet1987 ok
@@Boysermusic Ah, gotcha. You're one of those failure trolls that quickly backs themselves into a corner by repeating one response in the hope of minor annoyance. The catch 22 is that you can't defend yourself because you'd be saying something other than "ok," but saying "ok" now would just mean you played into my hand after calling you out.
This is always such a satisfying anti-troll. I await your response (or lack thereof in this case).
Amy with inhibitor rings: piko piko hammer
Amy without inhibitor rings: piko piko Mjolnir
Just look at Amy in SA2's 2 player mode, she can use Chaos Control even better than Sonic and Shadow!
8:33 I just love how Eggman just walk normally, while also running, and running away from a giant snow ball. Is just so funny seeing it.
This is why Eggman can outrun Sonic.
"Sorry, Charlie" was the slogan of Starkist Tuna for decades, and became sort of a popular catchphrase for a while. In the USA, at least.
Oh wow that's interesting. I am not sure I've ever seen that brand over here in the UK but that might explain the monitor message. Thanks!
My dad would say it all the time in the 90's so it was definitely in the general lexicon, as in it was common enough to have lost its association to the commercials. Well, until kids like me would ask the same question, "Who's Charlie??"
also it's a title of a great Ween song :]
This is funny ! I know if laugh at this , even if it was my own joke
In his parody of Sonic Adventure, Roger van der Weide made everyone in the cast abuse the Chao throughout the whole video, justifying Chaos's motivation to destroy Station Square.
Exactly, this also reminded me of that video lol. Tails and Eggman used Chao in karate battles, Knuckles killed a Chao by overfeeding him, Amy whacked a Chao egg with her hammer, Knuckles' tribe attacked the peaceful Chao, and even the General was punching a Chao through the whole video. That's why Chaos wanted revenge on everyone, and he disappointed his honorary father
Very interesting! Sounds like the theory that snuck into this video might've been inspired by van der Weide then, thanks for sharing.
@@JohnnyVector Imagine XD
damn that video is nostalgic
everyone except Sonic abused the Chao, explaining his confusion about why Chaos would be angry
The thing with the Sonic plushies being found by a tribe was actually an April Fools joke.
Yep. I thought it'd ruin the fun if I said it outright so mentioned people should check out the date on the article.
@@JohnnyVector ha, nice.
April 1
Yep, but knuckles really is a real estate moghul.
I wonder what really happened to the plush.
Chaos used to be a chao until it touched the master emerald and mutated,
In the Japanese version it makes chao noises
Well that’s horrifying
@@avserenity7240 a reference to this is the light chaos chao from SA2
yall have a video of this? im curious.
i'm a bit surprised this wasn't on the iceberg actually
Really? I thought it was like the god of the chao and the emeralds.
"Sorry Charlie" comes from a series of Sun-Kist commercials from the 70's/80's. It's become a really common American expression, especially in the north-east. It has a pretty similar meaning to "too bad" or "that sucks." I hear it almost every day.
Exactly. I was confused when he didn't know what it meant and wanted to know who "Charlie" was...
Thanks! As a Brit, I've honestly never heard the expression before. That's one mystery solved for me.
@@swisserty EWould say that's annoying, but it's kinda funny. Sorry Charlie.
One thing that i absolutely love about Sonic Adventure, is that it takes a lot of inspiration from south american and latin american (specially México) culture, i think that it gives the game the sensation of an actual adventure because of the different places it takes in, also since Pachacamac and Tikal are based on Mexican culture that makes me love this character a ton since i'm a mexican myself
This is one of my favourite aspects of the game too. And since I first played it many years ago, it has been my dream to go to Mexico and visit Tikal. I finally managed to do it in 2017 😁 it was a bucket list moment for me
isn't tikal in Guatemala
@@14Cathy14 haha yes it is. On my Mexico trip we went to Guatemala and Belize too. I just call it my Mexican trip for short. I realise now it looks like I'm talking shit 🤣
@@tish733 no worries, sounds awesome though!
Wenas carnal
You can talk to a gambling addicted mother, a man in an affair, and a woman who is swimming as you are drowning
Sonic the hedgehog: A family friendly franchise
remember the ova
When you realize Sonic NPCs are some of the most relatable in gaming history
@AVSerenity f
Rouge the bat: yeah family friendly
Princess Sally nearly fucking dies
Fun fact about that drawing for "Sonic the Human" the patch on his sleeve is actually a "section ID" insignia from Phantasy Star Online, which many members of Sonic Team also worked on.
In PSO when creating your character you'll get assigned a section ID based off the hex data of characters used to make your name and your section ID would actually influence the drop weights of certain weapon types and even have some drops be exclusive to certain IDs to encourage trading online. The one on "Sonic the Human" was Oran, which made daggers drop more often but rods rarer.
Very cool!
Actually, the Egg Walker map for Tails is using a slightly older version of that part of the hub world. (From the AutoDemo). That's why The Man 3 poster is there. Those posters were all over the AutoDemo, and got changed to the regular Chao in Space posters you see in the final game. If the Egg Walker map was using the finished version of the hub world, the poster would've been the regular Chao in Space
Two things I feel should've been added.
1) Game Apologiest found out that the mysterious Metal Sonic is actually a MechaGodzilla reference, as his design is heavily based on the mecha.
2) Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #4 (2021) actually has a villan's hideout be a 1 to 1 recreation of the SA1 casino, down to the floating hint computer outside.
Yeah, I remember Nick's video came out a few days after mine and he replied to a comment on this video about the MechaGodzilla revelation.
Regarding the Batman fact, that's really cool, thanks
@@JohnnyVector I like to think it's in reference to how Roger Craig Smith voiced Batman in Arkham Origins.
I’m pretty sure the 666 thing is just a coincidence because if I’m correct 666 doesn’t mean anything in japan.
Here in Brazil, it does
@@noventaporcento hmm then that’s weird
Yeah, it means nothing there. 666 comes from christianity, which is roughly 1% of population in Japan. They are more superstitious towards numbers 4 and 9. So if it had something like 444 in Ace Combat 7 or 4444 in Neo Contra then yeah
The native american cultures either, but theyre inspiration for the game ¬¬.
@@EvangeRei I mean just because they're not Christian doesn't mean they can't be influenced by Christianity. I'm pretty sure the creator of Samurai Jack isn't a Hindu, but he still put explicitly Hindu imagery in the series. Granted I think it's just a cooincidence to but that's a weak argument.
Here’s something I noticed while playing the game that you didn’t mention: the story you see in game is the character you’re playing telling their side of the story and not 100% what actually happened.
When tails and sonic run into knuckles for the first time in the story there are 3 different sets of dialogue and scenes for example. It’s slightly skewed in such a way that it implies this isn’t accurate to what happened as much as it’s whatever character you’re playing as telling you what happened and thus slightly skewed.
If you’re playing as sonic for this scene the dialogue has knuckles being confused and refusing to listen to sonic while tails is kinda irrelevant.
If you’re playing as Knuckles sonic and tails are a bit more antagonistic and knuckles wins the fight against sonic (lol, okay sure... ) and then fights Chaos 4 and beats him.
If you’re playing as Tails sonic doesn’t really say or do anything antagonistic to knuckles and knuckles is a bit more antagonistic and tails beats Chaos 4 instead.
All 3 yolo soloing the boss may seem like just a gameplay aspect that tosses the story out the window. But the slight dialogue changes in every shared scene and those changes being in a way that it’s biased to the point of view of which character you play as implies that these 6 stories aren’t what actually happened.
It’s 6 characters telling you what happened, and as people do when they tell a story, also either intentionally skewing a few details of not remembering them correctly.
18:42 I don't know if this has something to do with that, just tought I'd leave the timestamp here if eventually relevant
Perhaps all 3 stories are incomplete as all 3 charactrrs fight chaos 4 at the same time, but only speak of their own victory
the thing abt amy potentially wearing inhibitor rings gave me a headcanon idea. mayb she can run as fast as sonic, but wears the inhibitor rings so she can live a normal humanlike lifestyle (since she's seen carrying groceries in the beginning of her story meaning she probably even has her own apartment, and way of earning money) and doesnt want to tear around everywhere too fast. and she doesnt take them off bc shes so used to them being on, that she forgets they're even there! (and shes not really the sharpest tool in the shed...)
Interesting theory, I like it!
she does have an apartment in sonic battle, also the not taking them off might just be a stylistic choice
Classic characters (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman and Amy) can be seen in the Slot Machine in Casinopolis. For some reason they used Classic designs and not the Modern ones even though it's just pictures and not 3D models. So in conclusion Sonic Adventure contains the first appearance of Classic versions of the characters in a Modern Sonic game way before Sega seperated the two universes in Sonic Generations.
Also the other thing that is often missed is that the Sonic 3D Blast music that appears in the game is based on the Demo Takes for 3D Blast (which are basically MIDI versions of the music). Main theme for Twinkle Park for example is an unused song from these Demo Takes called "Bonus Knuckles".
It’s probably because Modern Sonic used to be a redesign instead of separate character
27:48 I noticed this when playing Sonic Adventure 2 as well. There's a part towards the end of the game where Knuckles is holding the Master Emerald, but it's pretty much the same size as one of the regular Chaos Emeralds. Though I guess if these emeralds can do things like warp you through space or give you godlike powers, I guess it's not out of the question that they'd be able to change size.
Also Amy clearly wears inhibitor rings because she's the ultimate _ultimate_ life form, the most powerful being in the universe. Trust me, my uncle works for Sega.
Haha, thanks for the Amy confirmation from your uncle. Gerald Robotnik shouldn't have created an edgy Sonic clone, he should've created an edgy Amy clone!
Knuckles is the most powerful
Personally I don't agree with her wearing inhibitor rings at least they weren't designed too be in my opinion because shadow was made in the next game sa2 so they were at least not designed too be because shadow and the inhibitor rings didn't exist yet
@@Temmie_gamingit was a joke dumbass he was being facetious lmao
I remember hearing a rumor on the internet several years ago that there was a Shadow the Hedgehog easter egg in the DX version of the game, underneath one of the waterfalls in the Perfect Chaos level.
Something I want to add is that when playing as Sonic, even when Knuckles story is still going on, if you travel to Angel Island the emerald will be intact.
Interesting, thanks for that
Actually it has a little teeny bit missing but it is hard to see
Discovering the jingles as a kid in the sound test was a very creepy experience that casted the game in a really dark way.
The sorry Charlie one is actually a reference to the starkest tuna fish mascot Charlie where at the end of each commercial they would say “sorry Charlie” when something bad happened to Charlie
"The Fugitive escaped from jail, in burning Hell." - this riddle quest has always been imprinted into my mind as a kid because I thought this line was pretty scary.
(It's the items you could find in DX, they were all hidden and only to be found by riddles. This particular one was for Red Mountain act 2, aimed towards the figures inside their jails...in "burning hell".)
It's from the "Mission Mode" if I recall, not really an item as much as a "hint" on how to complete the "Mission"
I could be wrong, but I don't think Knuckles ever had a different voice actor in the E3 demo. I just think Michael McGaharn played him differently originally and then he had to re-record his lines for some reason. Honestly, I think his first take was better.
Wasn't Scott Dreier the one who got into the final release?
@@ucielsan Scott Dreier didn't get the role until Sonic Adventure 2. In SA1, it was Michael McGaharn.
@@KingdomHeartsBrawler Oh! Really? Wow, thanks!
Ah, thanks for clarifying that one!
I prefer the final version
Bruh Big got the good shit 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
the eddi peddi cat nip ฅ^•̀ﻌ•́^ฅ
28:06 the Chaos Emeralds usually turn super when powered up by the Master Emerald, so I feel like this was intentional
You know ts gonna be good when you're finding out new things about your favorite game before you even hit the water.
A Note about the title card jingles; the Egg Carrier jingle is used in the final game during the Egg carrier transformation cutscenes. The Station Square jingle was used in a PC demo for Sonic Adventure DX. After completing any of the demo levels a screen would appear saying, "Thanks for playing, see you in the retail version!" The jingle would play over that screen.
I have another theory that _Sonic Adventure_ and _Sonic Adventure 2_ were inspired by _AKIRA._ The destruction of Station Square (by a blob monster no less) and its flooding is very reminiscent of how Neo-Tokyo looked as it was being destroyed. Shadow is a hidden military experiment hidden away in stasis accessible via a funicular tunnel like the manga's namesake and Dr. Eggman's english voice sounds similar to Colonel Shikishima's voice in the Streamline dub of the film.
If Big was canonically a stoner I would unironically love him.
6:13 Game Apologist showed that it was like a mecha-godzilla version of a sonic robot
My reactions to the adventure field jingles
Ss 24:16 : that's a very nice sounding jingle you've got there
Mr 1 24:21 : that reminds me of crash bandicoot music
Mr 2 24:30 : *THIS DOES NOT REMIND ME OF CRASH BANDICOOT AT ALL*
Ec 24:39 : actually that sounds like something related to eggman
Really enjoyed this! Fantastic details and I really appreciated the choice of footage to add to each point.
Thanks! Glad to hear you liked it
While the GC version of DX has worse controls and lighting vs. the Dreamcast version, the GC version had skippable cutscenes, better water textures, actual rewards for getting emblems and an improved Station Square Chao Garden.
and arguably the best part: twice the framerate
good thing we got the better SADX mod
Who remembers Sonic being in NBA 2K1 doing his Sonic Adventure pose holding a basketball?
I swear everytime I hear about the DX version and the loop in Emerald coast makes me face plam everytime, since it only glitches if you were to stop your moment for whatever reason. And some people just don't seem to get that
>complain that Sonic Adventure is on rails and has too many spectacles that locks you in running straight only
>try to do literally everything other than running straight during every spectacle moment in the game
>complain that the game is broken
It's like they understand the game completely and are complete morons who can't comprehend the understanding they have at the same time.
Still doesn’t make it okay tho..
The small fact that you can easily fall through the terrain beforehand though isn't something that can be brushed off.
@@ThatBugBehindYou to be fair the game would be so much better without the automated segments, its why the new games are unplayable for me since they quadrupled down on auto-game spectacle.
@@KaiserMattTygore927
To be Fair automated segments were the backbone of Sonic since the loop in Sonic 1 and the automated segments could be messed with in the original adventure game just like they could in Sonic 1.
I agree that the level of On-Rails experience we have now is outrageous but big spectacle moments in at least one or two stages that only last 5% of the stage itself are enjoyable to see and it's really honestly hard to agree that the game would be better without them.
Regardless none of this has to do with my snarky crap comment, the thing I was describing was my frustration with people KNOWING something won't work and complaining about it only to pretend like they never knew doing the thing they complained about not working, shockingly, doesn't work.
26:40 - There’s also a 1998 SEGA arcade game called SpikeOut which has some prototype Sonic redesign artwork (with green eyes) displayed on a wall in the SEGA Mall level.
Interesting, thanks!
Gogdamn! This is fascinating.
The only bit of trivia I can offer is in the "Sold Out" port of SADX has the Japanese dialogue present- and can be played in a CD Player (thats how I accidentally found the dialogue).
I did this as I heard the "Xplosive" ports work in CDPlayers- I can at least say the Sonic R port dose & doubles as a music CD (the Xplosive port of SADX is impossible to find).
Thanks! That is really interesting. I actually have the "Xplosive" Sonic R somewhere and I never knew you could pop it in a CD player. Awesome.
@@JohnnyVector Just a little warning Track 1 should be unplayable as that's most likely the game data - but I found out some CD players try to interpret it as sound resulting in digital screeching.
The title card jingles are really cool. The third is especially creepy, but in a good way.
That Egg Carrier jingle for the loading screen matches up with the Egg Carrier Transforming cutscenes
The Egg Carrier jingle plays during the transformation of the Egg Carrier scenes.
wasn't chaos already a sympathetic badguy?
Ha yeah, fair point, my bad! Meant to say even more hyper sympathetic
He is, but i feel like Shadow, is even more sympathetic than Chaos.
Yes.
The Echidna trampled over his brethren (the chao) thus causing Chaos to go mad and slaughter their civilization.
you know, for KIDS!
@@KaiserMattTygore927 no they didnt
You know, I never expected someone to actually use one of my clips (14:43, Alex's Craphole is my secondary channel, also, the Red Mountain tutorial is a leftover from the TGS 1998 demo which had Red Mountain as Knuckles' stage).
I’m pretty fucking sure Knuckles’ E3 voice actor is non other than Ryan Drummond himself... and that makes this hilarious.
No Ryan Drummond didn’t get to play Knuckles until Sonic Shuffle the E3 voice is still Micheal mcgarhan (I probably spelled his name wrong)
When I saw the thumbnail I said "what is Michael Jackson doing there?"
Not capping, one of the best UA-cam videos I've seen this year. Criminal how low that subscriber count is. Can't wait to see more content like this.
Thanks, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the video!
14:07 It's a reference to a brand of tuna called StarKist Tuna, whose mascot is a blue tuna named Charlie. In the commercials, Charlie wanted to be caught and used in StarKist Tuna because he "had good taste" (because pun). But people would tell him "Sorry, Charlie" because it would result in his death.
Thanks! Seems I missed out on this one as I've never seen that brand over here in the UK
Damn, now I'm curious about that mysterious e-mail...
It was likely just referencing some small element they forgot to include in the games, or some newsletter that they’d send out during that time period
@@avserenity7240 that can be a posibility
Love SA1 and SA2 so much ! The music is just *chef kiss
Totally agree
17:54 I’m always thought that more people moved to Angel Island which explains the houses
About the Dred Foxx thing and about scamming fans, that wasn't him. That was Hunnid P, the guy that does the Knuckles raps from Sonic Adventure 2
@Chip Wiseman Oh shit OH SHIT OH SHIT
Parappa will never have a voice again :(
The egg carrier Adventure field jingle is actually used during the Egg Carrier's transformation phase before Sky Deck.
Mystic ruins deleted title card is such a weird sound that could’ve gave you the creeps as a kid for nothing
About NPCs lines. Trial demo used text that closer to japanese. Final release used edited version of npcs text.
The “Sorry Charlie” monitor is also present during the other stories as I’ve seen it on Sonic and Tails’ stories as well. It’s also slang for “get over it!”
I'm exclusively a Sonic Genesis Era/Collection/Origins Fan I'm just here for the Michael Jackson cameo you had in the thumbnail, and I got a bonus half life fact. Thank you for not disappointing good sir, have a great day.
Thanks a lot!
Love the Sonic 3 & Knuckles iceberg video so it is a treat to see this being made too. The Adventure games seem to have a lot of intresting behind the scenes and beta stuff though that can be thanks to it being the first really 3D games of the series. I am surprised that the Archie Sonic Adventure aduptation wasn't mentioned because looking back at that aduptation, it is pretty bizarre.
Thanks! I've not read any of the Archie Sonic run, but I've always wanted to because it looks pretty interesting to say the least. I'll have to check it out!
6:04
There is a Possibility that, That Robot Is Silver Sonic, which is the Pre-Final Boss in Sonic 2 when you get to Death Egg, but we'
ll, everyone can think differently, this is just my guess!
A lot of people refer to him as Silver Sonic Mark 2, or something similar. It turns out he's actually based off of Mecha Godzilla! The Game Apologist has a video on it.
@@JohnnyVector oh,thanks!
Fun Fact: Johnny was in an early version of what I'm pretty sure is Sonic SatAm (aka only in concept art to my knowledge)
Never played Sonic Adventures but I had fun watching this video and I was engaged throughout, keep up the good work :)
Do a Sonic Adventure 2 iceberg.
I am working on one right now
Man you just keep covering my favorite games! SADX is the game I play the most on the GameCube along with Madden 08. Amazing video, hope you continue to make more.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. I have fond memories of SADX for the GameCube as well!
pretty sure the Chaos Emeralds used to be Super Emeralds at the past and Sonic 3 and Knuckles just give the chance to play through a "what if" by letting Sonic turn these back to their original form to become hyper.
In the dreamcast version if you have 3 joystick conected at the same time with a VMU inserted in the 3th controller and you enter en in hub world, when you press start button in that 3th controller, you will get a Chao puzzle game in the display of that VMU.
Very cool, thanks for sharing!
Any video that has Shadow on the thumbnail I'll immediately like, subscribe and hit that notification bell.
Thanks fellow Shadow fan!
Of course
time to see if your a true sonic fan
Shadow isnt edgy he is just angry and sad.
@@_Tzer I wouldn't even say that he is angry. He was in adventure 2 but I have never thought of him as an angry character.
The title card jingles really are creepy
Just close your eyes and imagine being in a foggy lake hearing mystic ruins 2nd title card jingle
10:55 That's actually not the Knuckles' "oh no" which is used in the final game and is now a meme. The "oh no" you're talking about is slightly quicker, and Knuckles says it a little later on in the cutscene you showed.
Here: ua-cam.com/video/eHbUc8Te3aw/v-deo.html
Other than that, great video! Lots of stuff I didn't know about. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for clearing that up
@@JohnnyVector You're welcome! 👍
i threw the burgerman into the ocean and it creepily slid back up the beach to me.
Those Unused jingles are cool as heck tbh I want one for my ringtone.
Actually, the Egg Carrier jingle is used in the game durning Egg Carrier transormation.
Awesome work on the video there! SA2 might be next on the list for an iceberg I'm guessing, or something else? Would you possibly be interested in doing an Iceberg video for another Sega property in the near future? Like perhaps Phantasy Star or Streets of Rage?
Thanks! I am considering starting SA2 after my next video. I'm not too sure what will come after that, but I am a big Streets of Rage fan so that's a possibility.
19:22 Dabbing, he was ahead of his time
I’d have loved to see a Saturn Sonic Adventure!
The unused intro theme for the egg carrier sounds close to how the old capcom logo theme started, back in the late 90's. 24:38
The Sonic X as the actual Director's Cut video has been removed from YT...I was really looking forward to watching it. But overall great video! I thought I knew most of the obscure trivia about Sonic Adventure but I guess I hadn't even scratched the surface.
“Sorry Charlie” is a Starkist Tuna reference
A thing - You can play the OG Sonic Adventure on Xbox 360.
One time Sega launched a collection of games, with Space Channel, Crazy Taxi, Bass Fishing AND Sonic Adventure.
It's not widescreen, it's still 4:3 but it's on Xbox 360, that is what matters
Thanks!
If there is ever a Sonic Adventure 2 iceberg, the Snapcube Gag Dub has to be included on there.
The egg carrier field jingle was reused for the transformation scene after one of the Sky Chases.
Your channel is great! I've fallen in love with your content, keep up with the good work.
About Chao talking. The original Sonic Adventure games had Chao Adventure mini games on the VMU called Chao Adventure and Chao Adventure 2. In these, the Chao will stop occasionally to ask the player a question about themselves.
You've managed to find new information from SA1 that I had no idea about. That's not easy 😅
Excellent video. New sub for sure
9:15 the reason the man 3 appears is because the Egg Walker fight was built of, of an older map which had the man 3 and could actually be seen in the auto demo although the texture was messed up
Oh wow, didn't know about the Mystery NPC, always thought it was recolored old man(like that statue) model
The knuckles “oh no” line comes during the actual fight when you hit knuckles not the cut scene
14:07
Creepypasta should take some notes on this!
I love your channel, not only are your videos pretty good but you also got a lot of variety!
Thanks a lot!
Both sonic adventure games were so mysterious to me. I played them back in the early 2000s on the game cube. At that time the internet wasn’t was popular ,especially for a kid in a family that didn’t use computers much , so finding weird mysterious things in the game was so crazy cus only the only people you could talk to were kids at the playground or siblings
The station square jingle actually can be listened on the Sonic Adventure DX Demo for the PC i remember that when you finish a stage a screen appears saying thank you for playing with that jingle
That's interesting, so at least that one got used somewhere
@@JohnnyVector the egg carrier one is used too. When the egg carrier transforms you can hear the gg carrier one.
19:44
Amy forgot to put her pink fur paint on! XD
Wow I've been playing this game since I was like 5, and I didn't even know some of the stuff at the tip of the iceberg. Great vid!
Awesome, thank you
That “oh no” was the greatest inside joke for years in my childhood. Teacher sending you to the office? Oh no. Parents getting a divorced? Oh no. Sexually assaulted by a childhood friend you trusted since you were 4? Oh no.
24:24 The first Mystic Ruins jingle really and I mean REALLY reminds me of “Unreal”. That game had similar music style.
Pretty good video however you made a few mistakes.
Knuckles's "Oh No" scene wasn't when he was fighting Chaos but shortly after that when Angel Island was begining to fall.
You forgot to mention that Pleasure Castle's music was also a Sonic 3D Blast track that was unused in the final game. GameHut uploaded the demo tape of it on his channel.
Also I'm pretty sure the burger statue taking trips was a reference to hint you can pick him up and carry him around.
The hate mail over Johnny dying is kind of funny considering just how much of a non-character Johnny was. He wasn't even a yes-man. He was just there. He rarely spoke more than 1 line, made basically no decisions, had no explanation on how strong he was or why he was strong, where he learned to fight, his backstory, anything, he was just 'that other dude'
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, But The "Oh No" was the wrong one. It's supposed to be the one before the "It's Starting To Happen!"
So apparently it seems that the Mecha Sonic is a Godzilla reference or something like that
ua-cam.com/video/uT_Zd-VlGt8/v-deo.html