Great discovery. 3:50 Previously, trying to suppress slight camera roll movements resulted in unnatural behavior. With the new firmware, the video appears to follow the camera roll movement correctly. Thank you for sharing the video.
Is this rocksteady or rocksteady +? I’ve noticed a huge improvement in low light since the update. Jitter has little to do with bitrate (bitrate helps with detail and other things). Jitter has to do with slow shutter speed. Action cameras (all of them) use aggressive EIS (electronic image stabilization) which fights with the shutter speed to create stability. This jitter and ghosting happens in bright light also (but it’s harder to see.) Cameras like the AcePro series and the Action 5 use Ai to offset this. But you are FAR better off dialing in manual settings. Here is what I am finding best: 4K 30 (30 lets in more light than 60), EIS at Rocksteady (not +), Shutter 1/100-1/8000 (this is very important, you can also use quadruple your frame rate to 30FPS at 1/120, 60 at 1/240, etc. (FORGET the 180 degree rule with this camera, and with all action cameras), Texture at -2 (-1 is ok too), Noise Reduction at -1 or -2. In super night mode, you can’t adjust ISO but you can adjust these settings and should if you want better footage. In normal, all these settings apply but make sure ISO is 100-25600 at night, 100-3200 in sunlight and 100-12800 at dusk. Shutter at four times frame rate (1/120) or 1/100-1/8000. I would make FOV standard but you could use wide. Color is dealers choice, normal 10 bit or DLOG 10 bit (which you’ll have to grade in post or in the app). Set EV to -0.3, -0.7 or -1. I like -0-3 - 0.7 in most settings. In very bright light with the quadruple shutter rule, use a Neutral Density filter. Out of the box this camera is not even close to as good as it is with these settings dialed in. In fact, pre-firmware it was pretty disappointing. Now it’s MUCH better but jitter will still happen. In super night choose sport mode or adjust shutter to 4x frame rate.
Thanks for the amazingly detailed tips! Will keep them in mind going forward. I definitely agree that tinkering with the manual settings can drastically improve the resulting footage over shooting in Auto. The video footage was RockSteady (not plus). I've also noticed improved low light performance since the update!
Any idea what the setting in the Pro Menu is that says Stabilization Scenario? Daily vs Sport. Does this play into the jittering? Not sure how to set it relative to the Rocksteady stabilization, etc.
Great question! I really need to look into this as I haven't really changed it from the default 'daily' setting. Unfortunately you can't use Sport mode when shooting in D-Log M, which is the color mode I am usually in.
I would always prefer less jitter, it just ruins the whole image and its not pleasing to watch. How about normal video mode with auto or manual settings (shutter 1/200) at night? Edit: nice footage btw. Just came from my holiday at osaka, I want to go back 😂
1/200 at night is asking for a very dark footage with ISO already maxed out borderline noise. The only fix for this either you get pocket 3, mirrorless, or use gimbal for action cam (hohem got one)
@@trym2121 when cycling around city streets 1/100 and 1/200 has been enough for gopro, it should be enough for A5P. I have pocket 3 and have cycled with it, but when it rains or its -25c outside pocket 3 aint going to survive that.
Thanks! The changes have also been carried over in normal video mode at night. Before this update I was locking the SS to a slightly faster shutter speed like 1/200 because the EIS artifacting/ghosting was problematic when using auto. Haven't tried manual exposure but footage on auto has definitely improved since the update. The scenes in this video are a bit unfair because not only are there a lot of vibrations (handlebar mounted), but there aren't many light sources. I took some footage on better lit streets or with more traffic and it's way better!
I noticed this as well - out of the box I was experiencing that jittering in a lot of early test shots with basic Auto settings. It was really disappointing considering the praise the camera initially got. When I saw that feature in the FW update I was pretty excited. I don't know that it's a huge change, but it does help. Finding those perfect manual settings can reduce it, but it's weird that DJI didn't catch this during beta testing the HW... For my camera, I feel like rapid tilt axis change is where I can induce it the most. (Pan and roll seem ok.) It's like the fw is trying to normalize the image too aggressively.
Yeah, there are definitely certain conditions and edge cases where the jittering is noticeable. I'm slowly getting to know where the limitations lie and I'm more conscious about how I use it, which is helping me get the footage I want more consistently.
Great discovery. 3:50 Previously, trying to suppress slight camera roll movements resulted in unnatural behavior. With the new firmware, the video appears to follow the camera roll movement correctly. Thank you for sharing the video.
Updated Action 5 pro VS action 4.... What would you suggest for FPV usage
Nice find! Sweet vid.
Good info! Its kinda sad that in the day where this is more light that there is micro jitter on both firmware
Is this rocksteady or rocksteady +? I’ve noticed a huge improvement in low light since the update.
Jitter has little to do with bitrate (bitrate helps with detail and other things). Jitter has to do with slow shutter speed. Action cameras (all of them) use aggressive EIS (electronic image stabilization) which fights with the shutter speed to create stability. This jitter and ghosting happens in bright light also (but it’s harder to see.) Cameras like the AcePro series and the Action 5 use Ai to offset this. But you are FAR better off dialing in manual settings. Here is what I am finding best:
4K 30 (30 lets in more light than 60), EIS at Rocksteady (not +), Shutter 1/100-1/8000 (this is very important, you can also use quadruple your frame rate to 30FPS at 1/120, 60 at 1/240, etc. (FORGET the 180 degree rule with this camera, and with all action cameras), Texture at -2 (-1 is ok too), Noise Reduction at -1 or -2.
In super night mode, you can’t adjust ISO but you can adjust these settings and should if you want better footage. In normal, all these settings apply but make sure ISO is 100-25600 at night, 100-3200 in sunlight and 100-12800 at dusk. Shutter at four times frame rate (1/120) or 1/100-1/8000. I would make FOV standard but you could use wide. Color is dealers choice, normal 10 bit or DLOG 10 bit (which you’ll have to grade in post or in the app). Set EV to -0.3, -0.7 or -1. I like -0-3 - 0.7 in most settings. In very bright light with the quadruple shutter rule, use a Neutral Density filter.
Out of the box this camera is not even close to as good as it is with these settings dialed in. In fact, pre-firmware it was pretty disappointing. Now it’s MUCH better but jitter will still happen. In super night choose sport mode or adjust shutter to 4x frame rate.
Thanks for the amazingly detailed tips! Will keep them in mind going forward. I definitely agree that tinkering with the manual settings can drastically improve the resulting footage over shooting in Auto.
The video footage was RockSteady (not plus). I've also noticed improved low light performance since the update!
Any idea what the setting in the Pro Menu is that says Stabilization Scenario? Daily vs Sport. Does this play into the jittering? Not sure how to set it relative to the Rocksteady stabilization, etc.
Great question! I really need to look into this as I haven't really changed it from the default 'daily' setting. Unfortunately you can't use Sport mode when shooting in D-Log M, which is the color mode I am usually in.
Any plans to try the Ace Pro 2 for low light to compare? 😊
I don't own an Ace Pro 2 so can't make a comparison unfortunately😔 Based on other videos it seems the cameras are pretty close, though.
I would always prefer less jitter, it just ruins the whole image and its not pleasing to watch. How about normal video mode with auto or manual settings (shutter 1/200) at night?
Edit: nice footage btw. Just came from my holiday at osaka, I want to go back 😂
1/200 at night is asking for a very dark footage with ISO already maxed out borderline noise.
The only fix for this either you get pocket 3, mirrorless, or use gimbal for action cam (hohem got one)
@@trym2121 when cycling around city streets 1/100 and 1/200 has been enough for gopro, it should be enough for A5P. I have pocket 3 and have cycled with it, but when it rains or its -25c outside pocket 3 aint going to survive that.
Thanks! The changes have also been carried over in normal video mode at night. Before this update I was locking the SS to a slightly faster shutter speed like 1/200 because the EIS artifacting/ghosting was problematic when using auto. Haven't tried manual exposure but footage on auto has definitely improved since the update. The scenes in this video are a bit unfair because not only are there a lot of vibrations (handlebar mounted), but there aren't many light sources. I took some footage on better lit streets or with more traffic and it's way better!
@@captureguide chest mounted is best, works even with pocket 3. Handlebar for pocket 3 is a no go.
I noticed this as well - out of the box I was experiencing that jittering in a lot of early test shots with basic Auto settings. It was really disappointing considering the praise the camera initially got. When I saw that feature in the FW update I was pretty excited. I don't know that it's a huge change, but it does help.
Finding those perfect manual settings can reduce it, but it's weird that DJI didn't catch this during beta testing the HW...
For my camera, I feel like rapid tilt axis change is where I can induce it the most. (Pan and roll seem ok.) It's like the fw is trying to normalize the image too aggressively.
Yeah, there are definitely certain conditions and edge cases where the jittering is noticeable. I'm slowly getting to know where the limitations lie and I'm more conscious about how I use it, which is helping me get the footage I want more consistently.
It's an improvement but still suffers IMO. I think running a higher shutter speed is better so 4x the frame rate.
Great ! If only there was a solution to these pesky flares.
The video quality overall seems very poor. Very poor depth of field, and what is out of focus is often central in the composition.
2:09 the footage looks awful cannot be used in any scenario
HELLO . we have new firmware today. 01.02.03.30 super nigth 60 fps
Thanks for the heads up!
Ce n'è di strada da fare perchè questa Osmo Action 5 Pro sia veramente "Pro"
Jesus.......Trash bro im sorry.....vs Hero13 IT Looks Like old Nokia cam