Something I think is worth mentioning is that Guzzlord and the Ultra Ruin timeline’s Zygarde might be one and the same. Guzzlord has a lot of design similarities to Zygarde’s complete form (mouth, two pairs of eyes, tiny head, two snake like appendages, etc), as well as similar stat distributions and nearly identical shiny palettes. That on top of the fact that the designer of Guzzlord himself (James Turner) also implied a connection between the two when asked on twitter suggests that Guzzlord might be some kind of mutated Zygarde (or Zygarde cell). Not sure how the specifics would work but if I had to guess, perhaps the Guzzlords are the result of Zygarde’s clash with Necrozma after the player failed to stop it, and the reason the other legendaries didn’t stand a chance against Necrozma is because they were also up against an army of corrupted Zygarde, all hellbent on destroying the ecosystem rather than protecting it.
I feel like you could view it as a timeline with no protagonists. No one to harness the power of Legendaries or rise above the champions. No one to strive beyond above everyone else or to inspire anyone else to grow stronger. Maybe the games never even happen. Groudon and Kyogre are never awakened, Reshiram/Zekrom are never awakened, Xerneas and Yveltal are never awakened, and Zygarde's cells are never collected. The pre-existing evil teams would still be there though. Team Rocket would have complete control over Kanto and Johto and Team Plasma would have complete control over Unova. All three of these regions would be devoid of any trainers as well with all their pokemon being stolen. All of this leads to the Aether Foundation bringing over Necrozma and awakening Solgaleo/Lunala. It's only downhill from there, especially after considering the countless roaming legendaries that have no trainer to hone their power, or the countless sleeping legendaries with no trainer to awaken them. All and all, it's very simply to see how the remaining legendaries couldn't compare to Ultra Necrozma and a literal endless supply of Ultra Beasts. All of this is even before you account the later games with Rose's company also being a pre-existing evil team and professors from Scarlet/Violet also existing way before the protagonists' journeys. Ultra Necrozma, endless ultra beasts, rampaging dynamaxing pokemon, rampaging paradox pokemon, and even Eternamax would simply be too much for such a maimed timeline.
Arecus, palaki and dialga are just observers as long as space and time aren’t disturbed they don’t care Zekrom and Reshiram are probably still sealed Xerneas and Yveltal are still going to balancing life and death so they don’t really care Mewtwo is probably still in the cyro pod or he doesn’t care Zygarde is the only mon who really intervenes when it comes to balance in the Pokémon world The rest of the legendary off doing their own thing
I feel that rayquaza somewhat cares about what happens to the earth but i doubt normal rayquaza would beat U-Necro and Mega rayquaza would prob have a similar situation of 100% zygarde but i suspect that it would be a closer battle if ray has access to it's mega form (Also if ray is busy groudon and kyogre have no one to stop them if they do wake up and in that situation earth is dead even if rayquaza beats necrozma)
What still continues to bother me and creep me out to this day? Several things. In a response to some people pointing out the many similarities in designs between Zygarde and Guzzlord despite their purposes and roles being complete polar opposites, James Turner, the artist who designed the two Pokemon casually mentioned that the similarities were quite interesting said that it wasn't a coincidence. The implication being that Guzzlord isn't just similar or the opposite of Zygarde, but that the two of them are in fact one in the same. Through the dialogue with the Ultra Ruins Hazmat suit man, it is actually revealed that once Guzzlord did not exist. But rather it was created in the result of a Nuclear Accident at a Nuclear Powerplant that had just been built in Alola. One that was never made in our own timeline. A Pokémon was caught in the nuclear Meltdown. And in the aftermath of the fallout, Guzzlord emerged from the wreckage. Then it Multiplied. And they are and destroyed everything in sight, even the most harmful and toxic and dangerous substances didn't even phase it. And all of humanity and Pokémon were evacuated from the Planet Earth and set up refuge colonies in the Moon. And eventually a Global Mass Exodus was issued and all humans and Pokémon left for space to try and find a new home planet that could sustain life. And now the Hazmat Suit Man is the only one actually left on earth, stationed there for the time being as one of the humans tasked with being sent back to earth to temporarily monitor and report back the activity on earth and the whereabouts and status of the Guzzlord. Until eventually the Hazmat Suit Man will leave as well. The other eerie thing he mentions that haunts me to this day, is that he somehow recognizes us and it is implied that we the player canonically exist in the Ultra Ruins Timeline but fled the planet along with the rest of the humans and Pokémon. It is never stated or hinted as to wether or not we were still Pokémon trainers or the champion of the Alola Region. But the Hazmat Suit Man seems nervous to tell us anything more in detail implying whatever happened to us is something we're better not knowing. This has several dark implications like wether we were one of the first people who fought back against the Guzzlord like a similar scenario shown in the anime wich is a completely separate canon and timeline of events and lore but still probably shares many aspects and events. In the anime Dia was one of the first responders who fought Guzzlord but lost. He was supposedly the only one who was left after the mission. With no other people or Pokémon remaining. The Global Mass Exodus then took place while Dia chose to stay behind with no actual way to escape but alongside one of the few forms of living fe left on the planet, partnered up with the Mythical Pokémon Zeraora to defeat Guzzlord and push it back into the Ultra Wormhole it came through. Then the events of the anime with Ash and Pikachu took place and they succeeded and Dia and Zeraora would continue to slowly help life grow back and start again on the planet. And already some of the few Pokémon left on the planet returned once Guzzlord was gone. And Dia states that eventually People and Pokémon would someday begin to return as well. And until then they would help bring back life to the planet. It seems likely the player character probably took part in a similar series of events but never succeeded and ended up either losing their Pokemon as well and ended up either fleeing the planet as well or our alternate universe player character also likewise never returned from that mission to defeat Guzzlord. Yet another thing, in the games canon, the Hazmat Suit Man says that the Guzzlord have actually destroyed and eaten so much of the planet that there is almost nothing left for them to eat. And lately they have slowly been dying out and going extinct due to Guzzlord's endless hunger and need to constantly eat in order to live. But they have already all but exhausted any edible matter to them which as we see is any matter at all wether garbage, hazardous waste, buildings, vehicles, or any living creature left on the planet unfortunate enough to be stranded with it. Just like how Zygarde is the protector of the environment and the planet and the Ecosystem who will never stop fighting aggressively and mercilessly to protect it and life on the planet, Guzzlord will endlessly consume and destroy the planet and destroy the ecosystem to the point where it even can't sustain itself and eventually there is nothing left in the world and not even itself. Because it too will eventually no longer exist and will destroyed. Another thing to keep in mind, only in the original Sun and Moon games Guzzlord is instead encountered in a cave EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE INNERMOST CHAMBER OF TERMINOUS CAVE IN KALOS WHERE YOU ENCOUNTER ZYGARDE! This is because the Ultra Ruins are never visited or explored in the original Sun and Moon games and Guzzlord was instead transported there through an Ultra Wormhole. And since there are Multiple Guzzlord in the Ultra Alola Games but only that single one in the Original Alola Games, this could very well be one of the same from the Ultra Ruins or maybe even the Original. One that was once Zygarde from an Alternate Dimension where it was caught in the Nuclear Meltdown and mutates and corrupted into Guzzlord, the Destroyer of the Ecosystem that ate everything and ended the world. Alternatively maybe it tries to stop the Nuclear Disaster but failed and was unwillingly corrupted and turned into Guzzlord. Or maybe it was a conscious action and it decided to give in and become corrupted as a punishment for Humans who had finally harmed and destroyed the environment and ecosystem for the last time and it was willing to destroy the world even if all Pokémon were caught in the middle of the conflict. Maybe it thought they were worth sacrificing to punish the human race. Maybe many humans and Pokémon alike didn't survive the events of the Original Guzzlord's creation in the Ultra Ruins. Maybe even we the player and our Pokémon in that alternate dimension also perished. These thoughts about how dark and disturbing my favorite franchise which is still mainly a kid friendly franchise continue to leave me theory crafting the inner machinations of my mind into new lower, scarier depths. And that's only partially a conscious decision. The rest is all nightmare fuel that haunts me.
Ultra necrozma is simply so overpowered that no single pokemon aside from the literal gods can do anything to it. And that's terrifying. Eternamax eternatus maybe but they can't always use that form.
Terapagos broke a master ball. That alone is a feat above most legendaries Actually though I will still mention this, maybe thats because of Terapagos' typing. I think pokeballs automatically recreates a digital replica of the pokemons original habitat when they catch one. Terapagos being all types overloaded the master ball. Or... maybe it tells you Terapagos comes from a world beyond ours. One where all types are one
During the post game there is team Rainbow Rocket where all the evil team leaders bring up the fact that there wasn’t a protagonist to stop them maybe this was a similar case
Man, the Ultra Space lore is just so interesting. In my opinion its one of the coolest ideas the Pokemon franchise has ever come up with! Just imagine if we could get a game like Legends: Arceus that let us explore all the different worlds the Ultra Beasts are from! It would be so cool to have an entire Pokedex of alien Pokemon, and otherworldly regional varinants/convergent evolution forms! I can only dream...
Necrozma was never the villain in this timeline. Humans were. The power plant was. Guzzlord is just eating all the mess they created and toxic waste is being reduced little by little.
Frankly I'm shocked you didn't mention the power plants being referenced in the ultra ruins. Personally, I think that the Ultra Ruins is literally just a Pokémon version of fallout/chernobyl, the power plants were nuclear and failed due to some sort of error (Which could also be HUMAN error mind you), and the Guzzlords were tasked to eat the nuclear waste left over. Many of the Guzzlords also became sick due to eating the nuclear waste. This is why the guy at the front isn't actually scared of the Guzzlord, if the Guzzlord was a killing machine I doubt he'd be calling it pet names like "Mr. Glutton". I lost my Ultra Moon copy a good while ago, but I remember a lot of the details of the ultra ruins because I hyperfixated on that area, I used to write quite a bit about it. You could also speculate that a bunch of people left this now desolate planet and created the ultramegalopolis where Ultra Necrozma resided.
All in all, people on Guzzlord's timeline went through hell and it's very depressing knowing places they once grew in are completely gone and deemed uninhabitable. The feeling of complete lost and despair to find new planet to live on, start anew, etc. Damn.
One thing I'm not sure about with the theory of Ultra Necrozma causing the Ultra Ruin timeline to be in... well, ruin, is how exactly does Guzzlord factor into this. Or more accurately, what exactly IS Guzzlord in this context and where did he come from? Every other Ultra Beast has their own Ultra dimension to call home, ones where you can tell that they were born in and evolved from, but not so much for Guzzlord. I personally don't exactly buy the whole "Oh, Guzzlord just comes from his own unseen home dimension just like the others and the Ultra Ruin timeline just happened to pluck him from there after Necrozma destroyed everything", cus I personally don't find that to be satisfying or that interesting. Me personally, I subscribe to the theory of Guzzlord being from the Ultra Ruin timeline, but that he's actually a warped mutated Zygarde; where after an event that caused Zygarde's cells to become mutated and unable to fuse with themselves anymore, they come to the conclusion that the only way to become 100% again is to simply eat everything around them, leading to the cells growing more and more until eventually becoming Guzzlords. I like to think this also explains how the Pokedex describes it as a common organism where it actually comes from, cus another thing that happens to be in great abundance are Zygarde cells. That's just what I like to believe though.
I think the Ultra Ruin is the Sun and Moon Timeline but with the difference that UBs wasnt caught or beaten. The NPC at the Beginning asked us if we returned. This makes sense cause the Player Model from USUM is the same from SM
This was actually a really good theory I liked how dialga palkia and arceus explanations made sense they don’t really involve themselves with any of earths problems they kinda just stay in their own realm until they get thirsty(I’m talking about when dialga went to go drink from a pond in the shaymin movie) but yeah this deserves a subscribe from me. Hope you can get noticed by a lot more people
The Ultra Ruin timeline honestly gives me SCP-5000 vibes with how you need to piece together the destruction and terror that happened because so many powerful creatures just appeared with Guzzlord being the main devourer
And honestly I would love to see a fan game explore the ultra ruin timeline because it's one of the most interesting yet least explored major lore point in pokemon or maybe even a main series Mystery Dungeon Game set in the time line
"Why didn't the rest of the Legendary Pokemon intervine against Ultra Necrozma and the Ultra Beasts?" Who says they haven't?... or actually, who says they are not? In the Ultra Ruins, we only see Guzzlord in the ruins of Alola. What if the rest of the Ultra Beasts are already invading other regions of the Pokemon World, but we are just in ruin Alola? Sure, the NPC says all humans went to other planets, but that doesn't mean all Pokemon have done that. Which take me to the Legendary ones. Legendary Pokemon are chillin in their own Region, so Ultra Necrozma appearing in Alola and consuming the light will not bother them, specially those who are in deep slumber, like the Regii, the Weather Trio, and others. So they had no need to go to Alola and face Ultra Necrozma, leaving Alola's Legendary Pokemon alone to fight the Ultra Invasion. With Solgaleo/Lunala defeated, that only leaves the Tapus (and Zygard), and I dont think they are strong enough to take on the invasion. Once Alola is destroyed, the Ultra Beasts and Ultra Necrozma can expand to other Pokemon Regions, which is when they will face the regional Legendaries. Meanwhile, Guzzlord could just stay chillin eating all of Alola in the meantime.
I didn't bother to mention it because it should've been pretty obvious from the clips I showed In the beginning of the video, you litterally see pollution come out into the sky 😭
@@Pokiiii62 I get that, but it just feels like nothing is directly connecting Ultra Necrozma to the Ultra Ruins in the games. Just seems like nothing more than "Humans fucked up".
@@poofyfox6751 More like the rest of civilization gave up on the planet. The only person from Ultra Ruins stayed because they had a friendship with Guzzlord. Something to take note of is how even in the anime, the Ultra Beasts can show an array of personalities, implying they're not always violent. That said, it's possible Guzzlord wasn't the cause of any destruction in Ultra Ruins, but was seen as a means for a solution. One that ended up becoming less than effective, if the dialogue's anything to go by.
If the Ultra Timeline is really just a split off of ours or an alternative timeline, whose to say the legendary’s are the exact same? It’s an alternate timeline after all, it could also be implied that the legendary Pokémon simply had different intentions then the originals and were probably less caring of humans. I don’t really see this as the truth as there’s lack of evidence, but again, it’s an alternate timeline, there could very well be a significant change in the Pokémon of those alternative cases if so
i would love for a game or a movie to take place in this post apocalypse , maybe combined with other ones like thr Groudon/Kyogre fight , a Deoxys invasion ,paradox pokemon running arround , the ultimamente weapon being activated ecc except for the cyrus one cause the universe would just be destroyed
I have an issue with this theory: if the Ultra Ruin is a timeline where Necrozma won, why doesn't it look like Ultra Megalopolis, namely, why is the sky brown instead of black? For there to be a sky of any color, there would have to be light, and if Necrozma won, they would have devoured all the light in the universe. So here's my take on the Ultra Ruin: considering the one guy we meet in that world is wearing a hazmat suit (which is different than the ones the Ultra Recon Squad wear that allow ultra travel and have nothing to do withprotection seeing as how they don't cover their entire bodies), we can assume that the world destroying disaster that happened was native to that world, possibly Lysander firing the Ultimate Weapon using Yveltal specifically, which would have killed most everyone. How Guzzlord got there after that is up for debate, but if firing the Ultra Weapon could make a new timeline, it's possible it could also have opened up an Ultra Wormhole to summon Guzzlord. Idk, what do y'all think
I don’t know, it sounds like Guzzlord is trying to help clean up the rubble. The guy in the hazmat suit has an affectionate name for it. So, if it’s Zygarde, it’s still doing its job.
I can't wait to see how Pokemon lore evolves in future generations, i would love to see a game where the pokemon "region" is actually a region on another planet though it probably would't be called a region.
It's cool and all, but wasn't it mentioned by the only guy in Ultra Ruin that there were survivors, but they all left for the other planets and he is here in order to keep check on Guzzlord? It wasn't destroyed by Necrozma, it's people who destroyed this place and Guzzlord is actually helping to clean it.
First and foremost the guy mentioned dthat their were survivors yes, but guzzlord was quite litterally eating away at the city, and in the anime and manga he was doing the exact same thing - The manga also heavily implies that this is a timeline where you did indeed "lose" cause as we know necrozma summoned many ultra beasts to invade the planet upon resurrection
@@Pokiiii62 Thing is, that same guy was wearing a hazmat suit styled in the same likeness as Guzzlord, along with also giving it a nickname and pondering that it'd better off with the player. Call me crazy, but it seems rather unlikely Guzzlord caused that destruction.
I LOVE Ultra Space. Since I was writing a few scenarios about my Alola characters, I wanted to look more into the wormhole dimensions, and holy crap. Random Ultra Space facts; the air in Ultra Ruin is harmful to breathe for too long. The body does not wear down in Ultra Deep Sea (and presumably the others as well), ie: someone can't get hungry or sick Humans having gone through a wormhole are called Fallers and attract Ultra Beasts to them.
This....Was never caused by Necrozma, I'm sorry. But based on everything that was said by the environment and from that one person, Guzzlord was never the cause of everything becoming a hazardous wasteland. But we have a pretty good idea of what, or rather, WHO caused that disaster.
If you actually paid attention to the manga and the resources given to you, instead of taking everything from one source. You would find out that a hoard of guzzlord couldn't cause the destruction of a planet, let alone one single guzzlord, necrozma is the only being who can create wormholes, other than solgaleo and lunala whom (I doubt) would just randomly open them up to let guzzlords out and about
I think you're both a little wrong here because I don't think it was Necrozma *or* Guzzlord. The sky in the Ultra Ruins isn't darkened by Necrozma absorbing light, it was caused by a power plant malfunction. There's a reason the Ultra Ruins are full of ads for the power plant.
@@Shinntoku That's exactly the reason, thank you! Turns out, the power plant had meltdown, leading to the entire area becoming a radioactive wasteland. Thanks to that, all of the surviving inhabitants had to wear hazmat suits, with the elders within the population having an intense hatred for any material that reminded them of the power plant in question. I feel bad for anyone who worked there...
@@Pokiiii62 . . . Question. Why would I bother reading the manga for info when at best, it's side content? The events of the manga are somewhat based on the games' tineline while having their own sequence of events, giving a huge difference to how characters act between the two forms of media, not to mention how different their respective timelines are. Back to my earlier point.....I never said that a POKÉMON or ULTRA BEAST was what caused Ultra Ruins to turn out the way it did; simply because it wasn't the fault of Pokémon per say. I'll just say that development of Alola's power fault hit a bit of a snag.
I thought we knew that Ultra Ruin was Guzzlord’s home universe and that it commonly ate buildings. People had to relocate a lot because of this. And also that there were many Guzzlord in this universe.
I was going off of their consistent naming in the franchise, for example: In the manga their names are "Sun" and "Moon" - the games are in the same boat, neither which are wrong, I just like saying Sun and Moon personally
Love the thought of legendarys being put im groups of "good guys" and "bad guys" Like, all the mythicals fall into the "good guys" category, alongside Xerneas, Zygarde, Rayquaza, Legendary Beast/Birds and Ho-Oh etc. Then for the "bad guys" we've got the ultra beasts, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Yveltal etc
My only debate to legendary Pokémon not holding up against ultra necrozma is yeveltal, when killed/defeated, emits energy that kills every being on earth, then it goes into slumber while it heals, there is also rayquaza who basically tells groudon and kyogre to stop being childish through violence and got a mega evolution to deal with primal. Granted all of those can be disputed with “they just didn’t care enough to do anything” but they are strong enough. I’m going off of terminalmontage but you get the gist
Terminal montage necrozma only had a chance because he had victini! Necrozma alone probably wouldn't be as strong as shown in his video. (Victini grants victory)
i feel like yveltal and xerneas, along with rayquaza would fair pretty well agiasnt the ultra invasion. yveltal has a litteral death ray, in the anime timeline rayquaza can megaevolve on its own. groudon could do well agiasnt it, and mabey kyogre idk becuase fish.
Selene/Elio:Are transported to a world were they and everyone they know/love is dead and the world they knew that should have been there is destroyed. Also Selene/Elio: keeps smiling with the 1000 yard stare with no thoughts whatsoever. : )
Dumb thought, but what if Guzzlord *Isn't* from this world, but rather is an Ultra Beast that this world's Lusamine brought in. We see that, in the Rainbow Rocket sidequest, the villains cannonly defeated the protagonists in their world. What if Ultra Ruins is Sun and Moon's version of Lusamine winning. The protagonist loses, and Lusamine summons even more Ultra Beasts to add to her sanctuary. This would make both the Tapus and Kahunas slowly become outnumbered and overwhelmed, and if Lusamine made enough of them, it caused the invasion that destroyed the world. People would do whatever they could, even going as far as leaving the planet, while others would remain and try to live with the changes. By the time we arrive at the Ultra Ruins, Alola is wiped out, and we stay long enough only to see Guzzlord.
Ever since I stumbled upon this place for the first and so far only time given it's rare chance of appearing I've had it in the back of my mind constantly. I've always wanted more from it; so glad to see someone finally deliver on that!
You catch Guzzlord here, but if its a parallel world that matches the main timeline, then Guzzlord isn't actually _from_ this world. So what world DID Guzzlord come from??? 🤔
Really nice video. I find it very interesting finding out just how strong these Pokémon really are. I think there are Pokémon that could defeat Ultra Necrozma, Arceus, Rayquaza and maybe a few others but since this is an alternate timeline the Pokémon may have different intentions or things are different overall.
The necrozma caught in Pokémon sun and moon could have easily summoned Guzzlords from portals, which would take place after the player character dies of old age and gives up possession of his or her pokemon
Sorry for the necro, but I feel that legends arceus sends you back in time as a foil to volo. Arceus doesn’t really have to care about ultra Necrozma as it’s not that big of a threat, but Giratina absolutely would be. Arceus has a reason to intervene with volo, but not here.
Great video on this timeline and things that allowed it to happen, I really enjoyed your Pokemon lore and power scaling videos and can't wait to see what others you do in the future. I always wish other big power scaling channels I watch would do videos on the Pokemon series cause I think most people look down on Pokemon in terms of scaling when it is actually very strong and will probably grow stronger as the series continues.
Wait... In Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, you can catch almost every single past legendary by travelling to the Ultra Space Wilds (those more generic themed portals). This includes Mewtwo, who is a man-made Pokemon. But how did the Legendaries get there? Are those ALSO parallel worlds, or just their own thing? What if the reason Guzzlord was able to destroy Ultra Ruin is because Necrozma banished all the legendaries from that world using its portals?
@@Lil_Dialga No, it wasn't. _In Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon,_ the portals are made by Necrozma. And there isn't any power plant involved EVER, even in the original Sun and Moon. The wiki page for Ultra Wormholes doesn't have a single mention of power plants anywhere. The portals are opened by Cosmog during the events of the story. Get your facts straight before you try to correct people.
@@lasercraft32 he's saying the destruction was caused by the power plant, which does exist, you can literally see it in both games, though it is blocked by a fence, and it's the Geothermal Power Plant on Blush Mountain.
I disagree. You can find the literal gods of time, space, and antimatter in other dimensions which UNecrozma can easily get to while the other legendaries besides the Cosmog family and maybe hoopa have no power over. Cause if literal children of god just exist in other dimensions and nobody is freaking out about that then maybe they have separate gods and Necrozma is just unique among all universes.
@@nathanpfirman625 the creation trio along with arceus are above understanding we best them in a fair battle (they come down to our level testing us) and they give us a small fragment of them as a sort of prize for our victory much the same with arceus. Necrosma is a trans dimensional parasitic anomaly as where arceus is God, the absolute the highest of high. The creation trio in cannon are the most powerful Pokémon at all and I personally don’t consider arceus a Pokémon more so he takes form of a Pokémon for conventional means
Hey, loved the video! I didnt know about any of this prior to watching and the intro alone really piqued my interest! I think you have a lot of potential as a creator, its a shame you only have around 400 subscribers! I do have some criticism though, the background music you used (especially around the 1 minute mark) was too loud and I struggled to make out what you were saying sometimes since the volume of the music you chose was distracting. But, I must say, the music was honestly a perfect fit for this. I hope the almighty algorithm blesses you with more viewers!
This is a very well made video, and I really love the topic. I think that speculative pokémon lure is super interesting, however you did not address something that I think actually strengthens your argument. There is a designer on the pokémon team named James Turner, he used to tweet a lot about pokémon on his Twitter, but then when people started talking about it in videos he stopped tweeting probably because the pokémon company didn't want him giving away a lot of hidden information. But he actually designed guzzlord, and he tweeted before hinting very very heavily that guzzlord is actually an alternate universe evil version of zygarde. Rather than being the protector of Earth and nature, who is here to make sure that the balance stays intact. He was awakened, and is actually the destroyer of balance and nature. Who wants to ruin the Earth in the exact opposite that zygarde wants to protect it. So this makes sense according to your theory, obviously without zygarde 100% fighting against necrozma it would have been a very very difficult battle. But when you realize that the equivalent of zygarde 100% was actually on the side of ultra necrosma and wanted to help steal the light and destroy the earth it makes a whole lot of sense. And it shows why guzzlord specifically is found in that ultra ruins timeline. It's from the timeline where instead of having the protector zygarde, we had someone who actively wanted to do the exact opposite of what he did.
Although I see where your coming from, that doesn't explain why they're still multiple guzzlords in that timeline, their isn't just one roaming the earth, and their can also be only one 100% zygarde
how about kyogre groudon or rayquaza? i mean the ultra beast propably attacked gthe seas or lands and since rayquaza protects earth (cause he hate deoxys cause its a space virus so he doesn't let him go to earth and he also handles kyogres and groodons battles so he kinda is the protector of earth) or how about zacian, zamazenta or spectrier glastrier and calyrex? i know they weren't created in terms of gameplay but in terms of lore they did cause if you lived in pokemon it would be weird if a knew region popped up every 3 years
@@Pokiiii62 I know but the legendarys i mentiond are considered as protector so why didn't they even try? They could've try an team up rayquaza could've use mega évolution etc
I really liked this theory! But i still have one question, if Necrozma did win and no one was capable or was not there to stop it, then why no one could beat the Ultra Beasts, likw Zygarde, they lost light, but they could still try and save the world from the Ultra Beasts, Necrozma left after all!
The reason they couldn't beat the ultra beasts because likely their were too many of them, ultra necrozma was also at the forefront of everything so they had very little options
Huh i see... it's a good point but still, there's only Guzzlord in that city... maybe Zygarde or some other guardian Pokemon like the Tapus and the wolfs could take them out one by one with time
@gx_pro2277 theoretically yes, but that's assuming necrozma won't kill it before it uses his death ray, which is highly unlikely, necrozma kills yveltal way too fast
Kind of, but I don't think it could be a twisted version of Zigarde in the sense of being inherently evil, if it was a version of Zigarde it would be more like a 100% who was stripped of it's core like necrozma with it's light or kyurem, meaning it could be a 100% zygarde husk who is trying to recover it's powers by mindleesly consuming
The crown jewel movie is canon to the anime though So I have absolutely no idea where you're getting your information stating otherwise. Dawn and ash immediately recognized arceus In Pokémon journeys Where he did intervene And stopped an entire region from Being destroyed by an exploding fire pokemon So that just put ahold in you entire argument. 10:13
The film litterally is filled with outliers such as pikachu "damaging arceus" and arceus somehow getting "mind controlled," which even if it was an avatar, it isn't possible. Dawn and Ash in the Chronicles thing, I believe, knew about it but not that it makes any other difference lol
No, even if thats the case then the world wouldn't have been in that state in the first place, xerneas would've healed the entire planet and zygarde would've eliminated the threats
I'm just gonna break something to you ultra sun and ultra moon focus on universe, not timeline these are two different things, timeline is the events the happend in point on time, example is the avengers getting the infinity stones, i wont example because you already watch the movie, next is universe is a different reality than our own, example is no way home spiderman, the three spiderman came on different universe not timeline, so the ruin world, that guzzlord destroy, is a universe not a timeline, its part of the ultraspace universe.
First and foremost, ultra space is a pocket space with an infinite amount of parallels universes, it's been shown that plenty of those universes have different outcomes, hence the name Alternate parallel worlds/timelines 💀
If this actually happened I would just tell him to cut that out before I get mad
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You mean it* The pokemon does not have gender.
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Something I think is worth mentioning is that Guzzlord and the Ultra Ruin timeline’s Zygarde might be one and the same. Guzzlord has a lot of design similarities to Zygarde’s complete form (mouth, two pairs of eyes, tiny head, two snake like appendages, etc), as well as similar stat distributions and nearly identical shiny palettes. That on top of the fact that the designer of Guzzlord himself (James Turner) also implied a connection between the two when asked on twitter suggests that Guzzlord might be some kind of mutated Zygarde (or Zygarde cell). Not sure how the specifics would work but if I had to guess, perhaps the Guzzlords are the result of Zygarde’s clash with Necrozma after the player failed to stop it, and the reason the other legendaries didn’t stand a chance against Necrozma is because they were also up against an army of corrupted Zygarde, all hellbent on destroying the ecosystem rather than protecting it.
I feel like you could view it as a timeline with no protagonists. No one to harness the power of Legendaries or rise above the champions. No one to strive beyond above everyone else or to inspire anyone else to grow stronger. Maybe the games never even happen. Groudon and Kyogre are never awakened, Reshiram/Zekrom are never awakened, Xerneas and Yveltal are never awakened, and Zygarde's cells are never collected. The pre-existing evil teams would still be there though. Team Rocket would have complete control over Kanto and Johto and Team Plasma would have complete control over Unova. All three of these regions would be devoid of any trainers as well with all their pokemon being stolen. All of this leads to the Aether Foundation bringing over Necrozma and awakening Solgaleo/Lunala. It's only downhill from there, especially after considering the countless roaming legendaries that have no trainer to hone their power, or the countless sleeping legendaries with no trainer to awaken them. All and all, it's very simply to see how the remaining legendaries couldn't compare to Ultra Necrozma and a literal endless supply of Ultra Beasts. All of this is even before you account the later games with Rose's company also being a pre-existing evil team and professors from Scarlet/Violet also existing way before the protagonists' journeys. Ultra Necrozma, endless ultra beasts, rampaging dynamaxing pokemon, rampaging paradox pokemon, and even Eternamax would simply be too much for such a maimed timeline.
That's a really interesting way to put it. It's a great analysis, friend. I love everyone's theories on this timeline!
I love that idea
Arecus, palaki and dialga are just observers as long as space and time aren’t disturbed they don’t care
Zekrom and Reshiram are probably still sealed
Xerneas and Yveltal are still going to balancing life and death so they don’t really care
Mewtwo is probably still in the cyro pod or he doesn’t care
Zygarde is the only mon who really intervenes when it comes to balance in the Pokémon world
The rest of the legendary off doing their own thing
I feel that rayquaza somewhat cares about what happens to the earth but i doubt normal rayquaza would beat U-Necro and Mega rayquaza would prob have a similar situation of 100% zygarde but i suspect that it would be a closer battle if ray has access to it's mega form (Also if ray is busy groudon and kyogre have no one to stop them if they do wake up and in that situation earth is dead even if rayquaza beats necrozma)
@@fogwzu1939bro Rayquaza got scared of the meteor where Eternatus was,he aint doing sht about necrozma😂
You all mean its. They have no gender.
@@fabiaaquino2207Its. Has no gender
@@befrugalwithusget over yourself
What still continues to bother me and creep me out to this day? Several things.
In a response to some people pointing out the many similarities in designs between Zygarde and Guzzlord despite their purposes and roles being complete polar opposites, James Turner, the artist who designed the two Pokemon casually mentioned that the similarities were quite interesting said that it wasn't a coincidence.
The implication being that Guzzlord isn't just similar or the opposite of Zygarde, but that the two of them are in fact one in the same.
Through the dialogue with the Ultra Ruins Hazmat suit man, it is actually revealed that once Guzzlord did not exist. But rather it was created in the result of a Nuclear Accident at a Nuclear Powerplant that had just been built in Alola. One that was never made in our own timeline. A Pokémon was caught in the nuclear Meltdown. And in the aftermath of the fallout, Guzzlord emerged from the wreckage. Then it Multiplied. And they are and destroyed everything in sight, even the most harmful and toxic and dangerous substances didn't even phase it. And all of humanity and Pokémon were evacuated from the Planet Earth and set up refuge colonies in the Moon. And eventually a Global Mass Exodus was issued and all humans and Pokémon left for space to try and find a new home planet that could sustain life. And now the Hazmat Suit Man is the only one actually left on earth, stationed there for the time being as one of the humans tasked with being sent back to earth to temporarily monitor and report back the activity on earth and the whereabouts and status of the Guzzlord. Until eventually the Hazmat Suit Man will leave as well.
The other eerie thing he mentions that haunts me to this day, is that he somehow recognizes us and it is implied that we the player canonically exist in the Ultra Ruins Timeline but fled the planet along with the rest of the humans and Pokémon. It is never stated or hinted as to wether or not we were still Pokémon trainers or the champion of the Alola Region. But the Hazmat Suit Man seems nervous to tell us anything more in detail implying whatever happened to us is something we're better not knowing. This has several dark implications like wether we were one of the first people who fought back against the Guzzlord like a similar scenario shown in the anime wich is a completely separate canon and timeline of events and lore but still probably shares many aspects and events.
In the anime Dia was one of the first responders who fought Guzzlord but lost. He was supposedly the only one who was left after the mission. With no other people or Pokémon remaining. The Global Mass Exodus then took place while Dia chose to stay behind with no actual way to escape but alongside one of the few forms of living fe left on the planet, partnered up with the Mythical Pokémon Zeraora to defeat Guzzlord and push it back into the Ultra Wormhole it came through. Then the events of the anime with Ash and Pikachu took place and they succeeded and Dia and Zeraora would continue to slowly help life grow back and start again on the planet. And already some of the few Pokémon left on the planet returned once Guzzlord was gone. And Dia states that eventually People and Pokémon would someday begin to return as well. And until then they would help bring back life to the planet.
It seems likely the player character probably took part in a similar series of events but never succeeded and ended up either losing their Pokemon as well and ended up either fleeing the planet as well or our alternate universe player character also likewise never returned from that mission to defeat Guzzlord.
Yet another thing, in the games canon, the Hazmat Suit Man says that the Guzzlord have actually destroyed and eaten so much of the planet that there is almost nothing left for them to eat. And lately they have slowly been dying out and going extinct due to Guzzlord's endless hunger and need to constantly eat in order to live. But they have already all but exhausted any edible matter to them which as we see is any matter at all wether garbage, hazardous waste, buildings, vehicles, or any living creature left on the planet unfortunate enough to be stranded with it. Just like how Zygarde is the protector of the environment and the planet and the Ecosystem who will never stop fighting aggressively and mercilessly to protect it and life on the planet, Guzzlord will endlessly consume and destroy the planet and destroy the ecosystem to the point where it even can't sustain itself and eventually there is nothing left in the world and not even itself. Because it too will eventually no longer exist and will destroyed.
Another thing to keep in mind, only in the original Sun and Moon games Guzzlord is instead encountered in a cave EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE INNERMOST CHAMBER OF TERMINOUS CAVE IN KALOS WHERE YOU ENCOUNTER ZYGARDE! This is because the Ultra Ruins are never visited or explored in the original Sun and Moon games and Guzzlord was instead transported there through an Ultra Wormhole. And since there are Multiple Guzzlord in the Ultra Alola Games but only that single one in the Original Alola Games, this could very well be one of the same from the Ultra Ruins or maybe even the Original.
One that was once Zygarde from an Alternate Dimension where it was caught in the Nuclear Meltdown and mutates and corrupted into Guzzlord, the Destroyer of the Ecosystem that ate everything and ended the world. Alternatively maybe it tries to stop the Nuclear Disaster but failed and was unwillingly corrupted and turned into Guzzlord. Or maybe it was a conscious action and it decided to give in and become corrupted as a punishment for Humans who had finally harmed and destroyed the environment and ecosystem for the last time and it was willing to destroy the world even if all Pokémon were caught in the middle of the conflict. Maybe it thought they were worth sacrificing to punish the human race. Maybe many humans and Pokémon alike didn't survive the events of the Original Guzzlord's creation in the Ultra Ruins. Maybe even we the player and our Pokémon in that alternate dimension also perished.
These thoughts about how dark and disturbing my favorite franchise which is still mainly a kid friendly franchise continue to leave me theory crafting the inner machinations of my mind into new lower, scarier depths. And that's only partially a conscious decision. The rest is all nightmare fuel that haunts me.
Copy and paste?
Ultra necrozma is simply so overpowered that no single pokemon aside from the literal gods can do anything to it. And that's terrifying. Eternamax eternatus maybe but they can't always use that form.
Terapagos broke a master ball. That alone is a feat above most legendaries
Actually though I will still mention this, maybe thats because of Terapagos' typing. I think pokeballs automatically recreates a digital replica of the pokemons original habitat when they catch one. Terapagos being all types overloaded the master ball.
Or... maybe it tells you Terapagos comes from a world beyond ours. One where all types are one
I still believe ultra necrozma is top 2 in the pokemon universe onoy behind Arceus and above Giratina
Nah you glazing
During the post game there is team Rainbow Rocket where all the evil team leaders bring up the fact that there wasn’t a protagonist to stop them maybe this was a similar case
The outcome of the usum games if bro didn't bring a zoroark or toxic staller
There is also the fact the panel next to guzzlord is reversed audio of the trailer
Man, the Ultra Space lore is just so interesting. In my opinion its one of the coolest ideas the Pokemon franchise has ever come up with! Just imagine if we could get a game like Legends: Arceus that let us explore all the different worlds the Ultra Beasts are from! It would be so cool to have an entire Pokedex of alien Pokemon, and otherworldly regional varinants/convergent evolution forms! I can only dream...
Necrozma was never the villain in this timeline. Humans were. The power plant was. Guzzlord is just eating all the mess they created and toxic waste is being reduced little by little.
Frankly I'm shocked you didn't mention the power plants being referenced in the ultra ruins.
Personally, I think that the Ultra Ruins is literally just a Pokémon version of fallout/chernobyl, the power plants were nuclear and failed due to some sort of error (Which could also be HUMAN error mind you), and the Guzzlords were tasked to eat the nuclear waste left over. Many of the Guzzlords also became sick due to eating the nuclear waste. This is why the guy at the front isn't actually scared of the Guzzlord, if the Guzzlord was a killing machine I doubt he'd be calling it pet names like "Mr. Glutton".
I lost my Ultra Moon copy a good while ago, but I remember a lot of the details of the ultra ruins because I hyperfixated on that area, I used to write quite a bit about it. You could also speculate that a bunch of people left this now desolate planet and created the ultramegalopolis where Ultra Necrozma resided.
All in all, people on Guzzlord's timeline went through hell and it's very depressing knowing places they once grew in are completely gone and deemed uninhabitable. The feeling of complete lost and despair to find new planet to live on, start anew, etc.
Damn.
One thing I'm not sure about with the theory of Ultra Necrozma causing the Ultra Ruin timeline to be in... well, ruin, is how exactly does Guzzlord factor into this. Or more accurately, what exactly IS Guzzlord in this context and where did he come from? Every other Ultra Beast has their own Ultra dimension to call home, ones where you can tell that they were born in and evolved from, but not so much for Guzzlord. I personally don't exactly buy the whole "Oh, Guzzlord just comes from his own unseen home dimension just like the others and the Ultra Ruin timeline just happened to pluck him from there after Necrozma destroyed everything", cus I personally don't find that to be satisfying or that interesting.
Me personally, I subscribe to the theory of Guzzlord being from the Ultra Ruin timeline, but that he's actually a warped mutated Zygarde; where after an event that caused Zygarde's cells to become mutated and unable to fuse with themselves anymore, they come to the conclusion that the only way to become 100% again is to simply eat everything around them, leading to the cells growing more and more until eventually becoming Guzzlords. I like to think this also explains how the Pokedex describes it as a common organism where it actually comes from, cus another thing that happens to be in great abundance are Zygarde cells.
That's just what I like to believe though.
I think the Ultra Ruin is the Sun and Moon Timeline but with the difference that UBs wasnt caught or beaten. The NPC at the Beginning asked us if we returned. This makes sense cause the Player Model from USUM is the same from SM
This was actually a really good theory I liked how dialga palkia and arceus explanations made sense they don’t really involve themselves with any of earths problems they kinda just stay in their own realm until they get thirsty(I’m talking about when dialga went to go drink from a pond in the shaymin movie) but yeah this deserves a subscribe from me. Hope you can get noticed by a lot more people
Thank you so much friend... it means a lot 💙
@@Pokiiii62 no problem you deserved it for this amazing explanation
The Ultra Ruin timeline honestly gives me SCP-5000 vibes with how you need to piece together the destruction and terror that happened because so many powerful creatures just appeared with Guzzlord being the main devourer
And honestly I would love to see a fan game explore the ultra ruin timeline because it's one of the most interesting yet least explored major lore point in pokemon or maybe even a main series Mystery Dungeon Game set in the time line
"Why didn't the rest of the Legendary Pokemon intervine against Ultra Necrozma and the Ultra Beasts?"
Who says they haven't?... or actually, who says they are not? In the Ultra Ruins, we only see Guzzlord in the ruins of Alola. What if the rest of the Ultra Beasts are already invading other regions of the Pokemon World, but we are just in ruin Alola? Sure, the NPC says all humans went to other planets, but that doesn't mean all Pokemon have done that. Which take me to the Legendary ones.
Legendary Pokemon are chillin in their own Region, so Ultra Necrozma appearing in Alola and consuming the light will not bother them, specially those who are in deep slumber, like the Regii, the Weather Trio, and others. So they had no need to go to Alola and face Ultra Necrozma, leaving Alola's Legendary Pokemon alone to fight the Ultra Invasion. With Solgaleo/Lunala defeated, that only leaves the Tapus (and Zygard), and I dont think they are strong enough to take on the invasion. Once Alola is destroyed, the Ultra Beasts and Ultra Necrozma can expand to other Pokemon Regions, which is when they will face the regional Legendaries. Meanwhile, Guzzlord could just stay chillin eating all of Alola in the meantime.
It was caused by a powerplant, not necrozma or anything else. Guzzlord is just eating their scrap and debris
Ultra Necrozma:IM HERE,NOW WHOS GONNA STOP ME!!!
Dialga,Palkia,Giratina and Arceus:*Ahem* Allow us to Introduce ourselves
ARCEUS CAPS AT UNIVERSAL necro is easily low complex multi
@sadafmahmood If a Ratata can beat Ultra Necrozma then Arceus can too
Odd that you failed to mention how it is implied that the planet was heavily polluted by humans. That is something you probably should've brought up.
I didn't bother to mention it because it should've been pretty obvious from the clips I showed In the beginning of the video, you litterally see pollution come out into the sky 😭
@@Pokiiii62 I get that, but it just feels like nothing is directly connecting Ultra Necrozma to the Ultra Ruins in the games. Just seems like nothing more than "Humans fucked up".
@@chrisjohnsen8448 when have humans not fuckedup? You only got 1 planet and look what you do to it
The way I see it is that humans made guzzlord to eat all the trash, but then they ate the rest of civilisation.
@@poofyfox6751 More like the rest of civilization gave up on the planet. The only person from Ultra Ruins stayed because they had a friendship with Guzzlord.
Something to take note of is how even in the anime, the Ultra Beasts can show an array of personalities, implying they're not always violent. That said, it's possible Guzzlord wasn't the cause of any destruction in Ultra Ruins, but was seen as a means for a solution. One that ended up becoming less than effective, if the dialogue's anything to go by.
If the Ultra Timeline is really just a split off of ours or an alternative timeline, whose to say the legendary’s are the exact same? It’s an alternate timeline after all, it could also be implied that the legendary Pokémon simply had different intentions then the originals and were probably less caring of humans. I don’t really see this as the truth as there’s lack of evidence, but again, it’s an alternate timeline, there could very well be a significant change in the Pokémon of those alternative cases if so
i would love for a game or a movie to take place in this post apocalypse , maybe combined with other ones like thr Groudon/Kyogre fight , a Deoxys invasion ,paradox pokemon running arround , the ultimamente weapon being activated ecc except for the cyrus one cause the universe would just be destroyed
Or the battle between tapu legendary and solgalio and lunala vs ultra beasts invasion thousands of years ago
Just bring out garbodor
Whats he gonna do?
Eat a literal mountain of highly poisonous and probably radioactive sentient garbage?
Yes… yes he would… and he probably DID
I have an issue with this theory: if the Ultra Ruin is a timeline where Necrozma won, why doesn't it look like Ultra Megalopolis, namely, why is the sky brown instead of black? For there to be a sky of any color, there would have to be light, and if Necrozma won, they would have devoured all the light in the universe.
So here's my take on the Ultra Ruin: considering the one guy we meet in that world is wearing a hazmat suit (which is different than the ones the Ultra Recon Squad wear that allow ultra travel and have nothing to do withprotection seeing as how they don't cover their entire bodies), we can assume that the world destroying disaster that happened was native to that world, possibly Lysander firing the Ultimate Weapon using Yveltal specifically, which would have killed most everyone. How Guzzlord got there after that is up for debate, but if firing the Ultra Weapon could make a new timeline, it's possible it could also have opened up an Ultra Wormhole to summon Guzzlord. Idk, what do y'all think
Actually no, the hazmat suit is thanks to the power plant blowing up, leaving Alola in an unliveable state without one.
guzzlord was an experiment gone wrong in the anime
Some theorize that Guzzlord is Zygarde in a different universe, where instead of protecting the ecosystem it destroys it
I don’t know, it sounds like Guzzlord is trying to help clean up the rubble. The guy in the hazmat suit has an affectionate name for it. So, if it’s Zygarde, it’s still doing its job.
I can't wait to see how Pokemon lore evolves in future generations, i would love to see a game where the pokemon "region" is actually a region on another planet though it probably would't be called a region.
It's cool and all, but wasn't it mentioned by the only guy in Ultra Ruin that there were survivors, but they all left for the other planets and he is here in order to keep check on Guzzlord? It wasn't destroyed by Necrozma, it's people who destroyed this place and Guzzlord is actually helping to clean it.
First and foremost the guy mentioned dthat their were survivors yes, but guzzlord was quite litterally eating away at the city, and in the anime and manga he was doing the exact same thing - The manga also heavily implies that this is a timeline where you did indeed "lose" cause as we know necrozma summoned many ultra beasts to invade the planet upon resurrection
@@Pokiiii62 Thing is, that same guy was wearing a hazmat suit styled in the same likeness as Guzzlord, along with also giving it a nickname and pondering that it'd better off with the player.
Call me crazy, but it seems rather unlikely Guzzlord caused that destruction.
I LOVE Ultra Space. Since I was writing a few scenarios about my Alola characters, I wanted to look more into the wormhole dimensions, and holy crap.
Random Ultra Space facts;
the air in Ultra Ruin is harmful to breathe for too long.
The body does not wear down in Ultra Deep Sea (and presumably the others as well), ie: someone can't get hungry or sick
Humans having gone through a wormhole are called Fallers and attract Ultra Beasts to them.
SO GOOD
This....Was never caused by Necrozma, I'm sorry. But based on everything that was said by the environment and from that one person, Guzzlord was never the cause of everything becoming a hazardous wasteland. But we have a pretty good idea of what, or rather, WHO caused that disaster.
If you actually paid attention to the manga and the resources given to you, instead of taking everything from one source. You would find out that a hoard of guzzlord couldn't cause the destruction of a planet, let alone one single guzzlord, necrozma is the only being who can create wormholes, other than solgaleo and lunala whom (I doubt) would just randomly open them up to let guzzlords out and about
I think you're both a little wrong here because I don't think it was Necrozma *or* Guzzlord. The sky in the Ultra Ruins isn't darkened by Necrozma absorbing light, it was caused by a power plant malfunction. There's a reason the Ultra Ruins are full of ads for the power plant.
@@Shinntoku That's exactly the reason, thank you! Turns out, the power plant had meltdown, leading to the entire area becoming a radioactive wasteland. Thanks to that, all of the surviving inhabitants had to wear hazmat suits, with the elders within the population having an intense hatred for any material that reminded them of the power plant in question. I feel bad for anyone who worked there...
@@Pokiiii62 . . . Question. Why would I bother reading the manga for info when at best, it's side content? The events of the manga are somewhat based on the games' tineline while having their own sequence of events, giving a huge difference to how characters act between the two forms of media, not to mention how different their respective timelines are.
Back to my earlier point.....I never said that a POKÉMON or ULTRA BEAST was what caused Ultra Ruins to turn out the way it did; simply because it wasn't the fault of Pokémon per say. I'll just say that development of Alola's power fault hit a bit of a snag.
I thought we knew that Ultra Ruin was Guzzlord’s home universe and that it commonly ate buildings. People had to relocate a lot because of this.
And also that there were many Guzzlord in this universe.
Really good video, minor error:
The SM Protags names are Elio and Selene in the games.
I was going off of their consistent naming in the franchise, for example: In the manga their names are "Sun" and "Moon" - the games are in the same boat, neither which are wrong, I just like saying Sun and Moon personally
@@Pokiiii62 Fair enough! Just found it odd is all lol
You forgot about the Pokémon sun and moon episode where ash gets transported to the timeline
Oh, trust me I didn't, but I know I should've added it in the video, thanks for the support!
Love the thought of legendarys being put im groups of "good guys" and "bad guys"
Like, all the mythicals fall into the "good guys" category, alongside Xerneas, Zygarde, Rayquaza, Legendary Beast/Birds and Ho-Oh etc. Then for the "bad guys" we've got the ultra beasts, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Yveltal etc
SAME
You means them? You do know some of these people are gender less.
My only debate to legendary Pokémon not holding up against ultra necrozma is yeveltal, when killed/defeated, emits energy that kills every being on earth, then it goes into slumber while it heals, there is also rayquaza who basically tells groudon and kyogre to stop being childish through violence and got a mega evolution to deal with primal. Granted all of those can be disputed with “they just didn’t care enough to do anything” but they are strong enough. I’m going off of terminalmontage but you get the gist
I should also state that ultra necrozma (in the games) is single-handedly the fastest Pokémon of all time, mega rayquaza is second with base stats
Terminal montage necrozma only had a chance because he had victini! Necrozma alone probably wouldn't be as strong as shown in his video. (Victini grants victory)
i feel like yveltal and xerneas, along with rayquaza would fair pretty well agiasnt the ultra invasion. yveltal has a litteral death ray, in the anime timeline rayquaza can megaevolve on its own. groudon could do well agiasnt it, and mabey kyogre idk becuase fish.
N zygarde is the order Pokemon......i would think zygarde would play a major part in this since it watching over the balance of the ecosystem
Pokemon lore is so confusing
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh but it be hitting different tho
Selene/Elio:Are transported to a world were they and everyone they know/love is dead and the world they knew that should have been there is destroyed.
Also Selene/Elio: keeps smiling with the 1000 yard stare with no thoughts whatsoever. : )
This guy:”100% zygard is doing nothing to ultra necrozoma”
Me and my lvl1 rattata:”pillar men music starts playing”
Must have endaver focus sash rattata
i think arceus is like real god he writes something and then doesnt just stop it from happening
I don't thing Arceus really cares❤
@@lorekeeper685 yea i think he is lazy he sent giratina to underworld for nothing
@@PK_HH well
Distortion world is more like primordial chaos
@@lorekeeper685wait isn't that what Arceus call the creation trio members “ the primordial chaos"
@@The_original_one I mean ye
Tho distortion would has lot of references to primordial chaos
Dumb thought, but what if Guzzlord *Isn't* from this world, but rather is an Ultra Beast that this world's Lusamine brought in.
We see that, in the Rainbow Rocket sidequest, the villains cannonly defeated the protagonists in their world. What if Ultra Ruins is Sun and Moon's version of Lusamine winning.
The protagonist loses, and Lusamine summons even more Ultra Beasts to add to her sanctuary.
This would make both the Tapus and Kahunas slowly become outnumbered and overwhelmed, and if Lusamine made enough of them, it caused the invasion that destroyed the world.
People would do whatever they could, even going as far as leaving the planet, while others would remain and try to live with the changes. By the time we arrive at the Ultra Ruins, Alola is wiped out, and we stay long enough only to see Guzzlord.
This- this is so dark and terrifying
Ever since I stumbled upon this place for the first and so far only time given it's rare chance of appearing I've had it in the back of my mind constantly. I've always wanted more from it; so glad to see someone finally deliver on that!
the screen shaking gave me motion sickness really bad....
I'll keep that in mind for thr future
wait a minute. So Arceus... is basically Miguel O'Hara, but as a god?
Awesome. MILES, WE GOTTA BREAK SOME CANON
The only reason ultra necrozma won was because impidimp didn't exist yet
not even grimmsnarl LMAO
Glad someone is defending Arceus. Great video!
You catch Guzzlord here, but if its a parallel world that matches the main timeline, then Guzzlord isn't actually _from_ this world. So what world DID Guzzlord come from??? 🤔
He ate it
You know your power scaling.
I've researched for about a year and a half hehe
Really nice video. I find it very interesting finding out just how strong these Pokémon really are. I think there are Pokémon that could defeat Ultra Necrozma, Arceus, Rayquaza and maybe a few others but since this is an alternate timeline the Pokémon may have different intentions or things are different overall.
The screen shake makes the video really hard to watch. The editing is good without it being on the entire video!
Came to say the exact same thing, this was audio only for me.
I see, thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep that in mind for my future videos!!
The necrozma caught in Pokémon sun and moon could have easily summoned Guzzlords from portals, which would take place after the player character dies of old age and gives up possession of his or her pokemon
Actually arceus did intervened in legend arceus when he sent our character back in time to stop giratina
He also it does it again in pokemon jouneys.
Sorry for the necro, but I feel that legends arceus sends you back in time as a foil to volo. Arceus doesn’t really have to care about ultra Necrozma as it’s not that big of a threat, but Giratina absolutely would be. Arceus has a reason to intervene with volo, but not here.
To me it seems like thats guzzlord specie origin timeline and it evolved to sustain by eating the ruins of an earth ruined by human pollution and war
Great video on this timeline and things that allowed it to happen, I really enjoyed your Pokemon lore and power scaling videos and can't wait to see what others you do in the future. I always wish other big power scaling channels I watch would do videos on the Pokemon series cause I think most people look down on Pokemon in terms of scaling when it is actually very strong and will probably grow stronger as the series continues.
Much appreciated!
Wait... In Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, you can catch almost every single past legendary by travelling to the Ultra Space Wilds (those more generic themed portals). This includes Mewtwo, who is a man-made Pokemon.
But how did the Legendaries get there? Are those ALSO parallel worlds, or just their own thing? What if the reason Guzzlord was able to destroy Ultra Ruin is because Necrozma banished all the legendaries from that world using its portals?
It was caused by a power plant, not necrozma.
@@Lil_Dialga No, it wasn't. _In Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon,_ the portals are made by Necrozma.
And there isn't any power plant involved EVER, even in the original Sun and Moon. The wiki page for Ultra Wormholes doesn't have a single mention of power plants anywhere. The portals are opened by Cosmog during the events of the story. Get your facts straight before you try to correct people.
@@lasercraft32 he's saying the destruction was caused by the power plant, which does exist, you can literally see it in both games, though it is blocked by a fence, and it's the Geothermal Power Plant on Blush Mountain.
I still believe, lore-wise ultra necrozma is the second strongest pokemon only behind Arceus and above Giratina
I disagree. You can find the literal gods of time, space, and antimatter in other dimensions which UNecrozma can easily get to while the other legendaries besides the Cosmog family and maybe hoopa have no power over. Cause if literal children of god just exist in other dimensions and nobody is freaking out about that then maybe they have separate gods and Necrozma is just unique among all universes.
@@nathanpfirman625 the creation trio along with arceus are above understanding we best them in a fair battle (they come down to our level testing us) and they give us a small fragment of them as a sort of prize for our victory much the same with arceus. Necrosma is a trans dimensional parasitic anomaly as where arceus is God, the absolute the highest of high. The creation trio in cannon are the most powerful Pokémon at all and I personally don’t consider arceus a Pokémon more so he takes form of a Pokémon for conventional means
Nah you glazing
Idk why but I love the power scaling for the legendaries so much 😭❤️❤️❤️
SAMEE
Imagine if Dialga , Palkia or Giratina Origin Forme Intervened against Ultra Necrozma. He’s toast as well .
Well thay do not descent to earth unless the problem is a threat to the reality
Its* they are gender less pokemon
as guzlord would say AAAAAAAAA
this is really well made nice job dude
Thanks friend it means the world 💙💙
Idk if it’s just me, but the music sounds a bit too loud, was hard to hear you at times.
Oh no, it's not just your friend, lol. This was a video back then when I was still starting up
Hey, loved the video! I didnt know about any of this prior to watching and the intro alone really piqued my interest! I think you have a lot of potential as a creator, its a shame you only have around 400 subscribers! I do have some criticism though, the background music you used (especially around the 1 minute mark) was too loud and I struggled to make out what you were saying sometimes since the volume of the music you chose was distracting.
But, I must say, the music was honestly a perfect fit for this. I hope the almighty algorithm blesses you with more viewers!
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it, Hte criticism is also greatly apprenticed, it means a lot to me that you enjoyed the video 😭
Love the darker side of media. Also wish I played pkmn Ultra Sun and Moon
I did, but could never get to the guzzlord since I am the worst travelling in those spaces in vídeo games
This is a very well made video, and I really love the topic. I think that speculative pokémon lure is super interesting, however you did not address something that I think actually strengthens your argument. There is a designer on the pokémon team named James Turner, he used to tweet a lot about pokémon on his Twitter, but then when people started talking about it in videos he stopped tweeting probably because the pokémon company didn't want him giving away a lot of hidden information. But he actually designed guzzlord, and he tweeted before hinting very very heavily that guzzlord is actually an alternate universe evil version of zygarde. Rather than being the protector of Earth and nature, who is here to make sure that the balance stays intact. He was awakened, and is actually the destroyer of balance and nature. Who wants to ruin the Earth in the exact opposite that zygarde wants to protect it. So this makes sense according to your theory, obviously without zygarde 100% fighting against necrozma it would have been a very very difficult battle. But when you realize that the equivalent of zygarde 100% was actually on the side of ultra necrosma and wanted to help steal the light and destroy the earth it makes a whole lot of sense. And it shows why guzzlord specifically is found in that ultra ruins timeline. It's from the timeline where instead of having the protector zygarde, we had someone who actively wanted to do the exact opposite of what he did.
Although I see where your coming from, that doesn't explain why they're still multiple guzzlords in that timeline, their isn't just one roaming the earth, and their can also be only one 100% zygarde
zygarde cloned himself?@@Pokiiii62
@@clodsirelover2501oh no he didn't, theirs only one zygarde per timeline
mimikyu solos the verse
the video is great but doing shaky cam the entire vid is off putting
Trust me I learned from this if you watch my newer videos LOL
How does this video has less than 10k views but 45k likes?
Uh no it doesn't?
@@fuzeartemis5584 could have been a visual bug for me. I ss’d it lol
Wait, mine says 295k likes. Probably is a bug, but your not the only one
Mine says hidden likes. :\
wait why are we putting so much emphasis on zygarde how powerful is he ???
I recommend to watch my zygarde video for more information!
Can i get the link for your video of zygarde@@Pokiiii62
I thought it was a Plant Explosion
Those were the effects after guzzlords and other ubs took over, the planet was basically uninhabitable
Dawg why at night bruv😭😭
Im now scared to sleep
Guzzlords are not villains, they are wild animals, so they are neutral, necrozma just used their gluttony as a weapon
Aren’t they always in a state of feeling like their starving too? No wonder they are so aggressive lol
@@MrSponge56 basicly like cows that eat the whole time, you can't really blame them
They are villains
@@Krood-j7n they are not
a lot of us are just getting this recommended lol
I had no idea about this because I don't know anything about gen 7
Nah I’d win. Just bring a Muk and toxic stall
you should turn the music up
Thanks for the criticism
Music wayyyyu tooo loud compared to voice
Thanks for the tip, I'll keep that in mind for my future vids!
@@Pokiiii62 still enjoyed the vid was just hard to make out while at work
I see, thank you for the feedback none the less!!
wait so if the 4th kahuna was able to defend it then how did guzzlord get there?
how about kyogre groudon or rayquaza? i mean the ultra beast propably attacked gthe seas or lands and since rayquaza protects earth (cause he hate deoxys cause its a space virus so he doesn't let him go to earth and he also handles kyogres and groodons battles so he kinda is the protector of earth) or how about zacian, zamazenta or spectrier glastrier and calyrex? i know they weren't created in terms of gameplay but in terms of lore they did cause if you lived in pokemon it would be weird if a knew region popped up every 3 years
Ray is weaker than zygarde he wouldn't have done anything sadly
@@Pokiiii62 I know but the legendarys i mentiond are considered as protector so why didn't they even try? They could've try an team up rayquaza could've use mega évolution etc
@gamelord1202 like I explained in the video, it's very likely they DID try, but ultimately were too weak to really doing nothing
@@Pokiiii62 oh OK thx for explaining every thing
@gamelord1202 no problem friend, I'm happy with all the questions 💙
I really liked this theory! But i still have one question, if Necrozma did win and no one was capable or was not there to stop it, then why no one could beat the Ultra Beasts, likw Zygarde, they lost light, but they could still try and save the world from the Ultra Beasts, Necrozma left after all!
The reason they couldn't beat the ultra beasts because likely their were too many of them, ultra necrozma was also at the forefront of everything so they had very little options
Huh i see... it's a good point but still, there's only Guzzlord in that city... maybe Zygarde or some other guardian Pokemon like the Tapus and the wolfs could take them out one by one with time
Poke you did great job man
Thank you so much friend 💙😭
this was hype
Thanks friend 💙
Great Video!
Thx friend!
Absolutely amazing 👍🏻
Thank you so much friend 💙
Awesome viedo, THX!
NO THANK YOU!
Can you go to Ultra Ruin in each Edition or is it exclusive from Ultra Moon?
Both editions
Thank god@@Pokiiii62
Elio, Selena,is what you meant.
Depends on which canon you're looking at
great vid, watched it thinking it had hundred thousands of views haha hope you do great in yt +1 sub
Thank you so much for your kind words, It means more than you can think my friend 💙
Or, that universe just never had legendary Pokemon.
No it definitely did, it had the tapus, solgaleo and lunala, and most definitely zygarde
so... what's the lore behind Guzzlord, if there is any?
This would make a good Pokemon game 😮
AMAZING!!!
THANKSSS
Why so less subscribes?
Deserves way more
Thanks friend, share with friends and maybe someday haha 💙
Umm xerneas cant die and yveltal can unalive anything
Yet despite that neither of them are landing a scratch on necrozma, if zygarde can barley hurt him then xerneas and yveltal ain't doing nothing
Necrozma: *_aight,im absorbing God_*
Lore wise tho cant yveltal just unalive it? turn it to stone with oblivion wing or something@@Pokiiii62
@gx_pro2277 theoretically yes, but that's assuming necrozma won't kill it before it uses his death ray, which is highly unlikely, necrozma kills yveltal way too fast
ah got it@@Pokiiii62
Wait how come the jewel movoenisnt cannon anymore?
as far as i know, the movies aren't canon to the games which is probably what he meant by "the jewel crown movie isn't canon"
@canariawing I hope that's what he met because Pokémon journey's arceus Does in fact interven
I like vids like this keep it up 👍🏾
Actually look at guzzlord again doesn't it kins of look like zygarde 100%
Kind of, but I don't think it could be a twisted version of Zigarde in the sense of being inherently evil, if it was a version of Zigarde it would be more like a 100% who was stripped of it's core like necrozma with it's light or kyurem, meaning it could be a 100% zygarde husk who is trying to recover it's powers by mindleesly consuming
wbu Rayquaza
The crown jewel movie is canon to the anime though So I have absolutely no idea where you're getting your information stating otherwise. Dawn and ash immediately recognized arceus In Pokémon journeys Where he did intervene And stopped an entire region from Being destroyed by an exploding fire pokemon So that just put ahold in you entire argument. 10:13
The film litterally is filled with outliers such as pikachu "damaging arceus" and arceus somehow getting "mind controlled," which even if it was an avatar, it isn't possible.
Dawn and Ash in the Chronicles thing, I believe, knew about it but not that it makes any other difference lol
@@Pokiiii62isn’t arceus In his avatar form able to defeated just bcs it’s an avatar and not his physical form
Arceus does nothing in 3d
I thought, Gus, lord, only appeared after the Alola region in that universe was over polluted by humans?
No, even if thats the case then the world wouldn't have been in that state in the first place, xerneas would've healed the entire planet and zygarde would've eliminated the threats
I'm just gonna break something to you ultra sun and ultra moon focus on universe, not timeline these are two different things, timeline is the events the happend in point on time, example is the avengers getting the infinity stones, i wont example because you already watch the movie, next is universe is a different reality than our own, example is no way home spiderman, the three spiderman came on different universe not timeline, so the ruin world, that guzzlord destroy, is a universe not a timeline, its part of the ultraspace universe.
First and foremost, ultra space is a pocket space with an infinite amount of parallels universes, it's been shown that plenty of those universes have different outcomes, hence the name Alternate parallel worlds/timelines 💀
Second, good video
Thx friend 💙💙
@@Pokiiii62 no problem
Third, Im in love with this video
YAY thx friend 💙💙