Leto the first: i will use skillful diplomacy and strategy to preserve my house Paul muad'dib: i will use the fremen legions and the spice monopoly to take over the empire Alia: using the power of religion, schemes and my body i will preserve the regency Leto the second: its wormin time
@@XaliberDeathlock i agree. Kyle's performance was great when I was a kid. Now that I see it it looks like he's in a play. Like he's shouting for an audience and not for his dead father in the ether.
Little Dark Age is already a term in Dune lore describing the period after the collapse of the first interplanetary government, when humanity was a disconnected mess
As someone who haven't read the book and was confused of the scene of Paul's madness and "overreaction" when he had his vision in the tent. I was like: Hmm, it's gonna be a war among countless wars, why is he faulting himself for seeking revenge. Then that screenshot of 61 billions lives, countless planets destroyed and the fact that those are the most "conservatives" estimates... gave me a dreadful chill down my spine. Ok, that wasn't an overreaction after all... Time to read the books!
Controversial opinion (No spoilers): Even after reading the books, I still don't really fault him for the Jihad. Considering the nature of the sacrifice needed to prevent it, I can sympathise with Paul's dilemma and even understand his decision.
I really love that scene in the book. If I recall he sees two major paths that he could take the universe down. In one he joins the Fremen and there is galactic jihad. In the other he walks up to Baron Harkonnen and says "hello grandfather". The later path leads to places "far too terrible to even imagine". It's chilling to think about, that there are fates worse than 61 billion deaths.
and the thing is ... he had to do it , otherwise more lives would have been lost .. the Golden path must be followed ... He may not be the hero , but he was no villain .
Paul is the "stereotypical" hero, but also serves as a cautionary tale of elevating a single person into something more than human. With all his powers, he still flinched and didnt push through the golden path. Dune Messiah is mostly panned, but only because it serves to deconstruct his meteoric rise from the first book and is thus essential in the actual greater story of things. Leto II though is hard to imagine as the true hero since he subjugated countless humans for a long ass time. The true hero of Dune is just that - in order for humans to reach their *true* potential, humanity needs to discard the idea of a single savior and instead, cultivate and trust in individual goodness no matter how minute in the grand order of things.
I’d say leto II did what he did more out of strict necessity to save humanity, he kept them stuck on their planets so that when that control was released, they’d spread out across vast swaths of space kinda like if you squeeze a water balloon and it pops
He didn't become any of that. He said by himself that he could predict the future but not change it and how desolation that was. He also did his best but he just couldn't stop the jihad
“I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." Frank Herbert Tbh I think Paul is very cool and there is obviously nothing wrong with liking the character, just like many people consider God Emperor from Warhammer40k pretty cool.
It's still annoying when people clearly mistake either of them for protagonists. It's like people idolizing the chick from "Midsommar" as some kind of boss bitch for brutally murdering her boyfriend after being brainwashed by a cult.
"Paul Atreides isn't the hero of the Dune series" ...uh, yeah he is. Maybe not after book 3, but he's essentially the person who starts the cycle that ultimately saves humanity.
I mean if my memory is correct (I don't to start a nerd war) the first book is Paul the messiah emperor then is son Leto II the emperor worm. And finally Duncan idao as a Gola at the end freed in the universe? If I am wrong feel free to correct me (without insult ofc).
@@jeanmichel8919 wait wait, Paul´s son its a worm like the Emperor? Or is called like that because the sandworms/Shail Hulul? i dont read any book (for now) so i have so many questions. And wtf is doing duncan alive?!?
Both Kyle MacLachlan and Timothee Chalamet are very good. Lynch even said he never worked with such a good talented young man who is absolutely serious about the role and everything. The same are saying now about Timothee. Alas only the studio who cut Lynchs 5 30 h movie into one crappy movie ruined everything. Lynch wanted 2 movies normally. The studio said 1 movie max 2h
@@fluffy4090 sure, probably I cannot know since i haven't watched it and TBH i heard about the existence of those series couple of months ago They have aired when i was too little.
Little Dark Age is already a term in Dune lore describing the period after the collapse of the first interplanetary government, when humanity was a disconnected mess
Fun fact: theres was actually a family named atreides. atreus the head of the family had 2 sons, menelaus and Agamemnon, the leaders of the greek armies who besieged troia in the iliad.
Dune and Paul's story showed me that even if all the odds are stacked against you, one can always turn the game around by doing copious amounts of drugs and waging a jihad against your enemies. INSPIRING
This is how I realized that Hajime Isayama (the author of Attack on Titan) tried to adapt Dune into his story but didn't have the guts to follow it through its fruition
40k just has comical numbers and hyper exaggerated factions/players in everything “then the space vampires teamed up with the space plague and they wiped out 32 planets with 80176 zillion people”
That's his mother, love "but not wife, because of political reasons", his "wife" witch he have only to be emperor legally, and his sister if you interested (and if my memory didn't let me down)
a character doesn’t have to be a hero for your to admire them or for you to think they're interesting. what matters is how well a character is written. tons of people think darth vader is cool but he's obviously not a hero even as anakin until the very end of his life.
61 billion? Damn, he saw that 60, knew he was close to the war's climax, snapped his fingers and smiled, "We can do a bit better before all this ends! Lets round this up a digit!" Boom, 61 BILLION. Kwisatz Chaderach, right there.
Well, he's the hero in the sense that he's the original protagonist, and his original motives are to avenge his fallen father, punish the harms inflicted on his mother and the love of his life, and on the people he has adopted and who have adopted him, and retaliate for the conspiracy that destroyed his House, against the chief conspirators, the Padishah Emperor and House Harkonnen. All excellent motives. Even overthrowing the Corrino Dynasty entirely and seizing the empire has its virtues, it's how the Empire came to be in a previous act of war and revolution. And the empire had it coming. From the Fremen POV, genociding the outworlders must have seemed fair return for the empire's attempt to wipe them out. Ideally, all would have been done for fewer than 61 billion fatalities, but, again, the Fremen probably figure the numbers are beside the point. The emperor tried to wipe them out, they wipe out the people of the empire. Or enough. IF nothing else, it gives rare clarity on the size of the empire, that it can sustain losses like that. On the whole, Paul's son must be considered the hero of the saga as a whole, with Paul as merely the tragic antihero forerunner and scene-setter. And by the end, he knows it.
@@serban8298 What's more chadly than creating rebellions against you only to then show those same rebels why you're so based as fuck and convert them? Paul could never.
Paul is chad His son leto thou he is lad. So chad he took on the grind set for millenia. All to make humanity chad again. Pail is father to the sigma chad
Counterpoint: Paul _is_ the hero of the series. He was a 16 year old kid who got superpowers and realized he was going to push the universe into chaos and causing these billions of deaths, including the one of his first son, unless he was willing to get killed in duel. He can't do what is basically committing suicide, but then spends his whole life trying to make his impact as least bad as possible.
I agree, but he isn't actually a hero!If he had taken the Golden Path, yes, he would have been!I'm not blaming him for not having done so tho!By that point, he had suffered more than any regular man could imagine!I think fans are often too harsh on this character!
@@electricangel4488 it's not heroic but it is nessasery for humanity's survival. Its committing horrible evil for a good reason which isn't a very good justification usually but in this case it is sadly true.
the thing is iirc, is that even if Paul died in that duel his Mother and unborn sister would've still gone a crusade throughout the universe(galaxy) using him and the Atreides name as a martyr.
He didnt really try to lessen his impact lol, read Paul of Dune. He ends up disguising himself and enlisting with a lower less well known Fedaykin legion (around 2-4 years into the jihad) and heading to another planet marked in the jihad. His reasoning was to get a better idea of what his warriors experienced on the ground and to get away from the keep. Basically he ends up slaughtering countless other fighters in hand to hand "seeing a red veil that even rivalled the strongest spice trances" (not an exact quote). Its not said if Paul knows about what this planet or its people did but he actively participated in the killing. He later allows a crowd of arakeen locals to literally rip a man limb from limb in a square as a punishment/demonstration. This wouldn't be absolutely horrible as the man had done some super messed up stuff to deserve it, but its noted that there were other men with him that were more than likely innocent, and paul allows them to be brutally killed as a message and a way to please his people/the houses. Its shown how Chani is disgusted by this and Paul is very grim, but he 100% furthered the jihad.
Reading the first Dune book right now and I'm convinced I'll still like him by the end of the series. He seems like an epic protagonist with a beautifully idealistic goal. I think he just had a few billion oopsies...
Truths about the entire 6 books of Dune Chronicles (a warning for new readers): There is no such thing as "hero" in this saga. There are just men and women who do right and terribly wrong things at the same time. This is a fictional period from the history of humanity's fictional future. This is not a black and white fairy or folk tale. This is not a story of a flawed but strong hero who is eventually redeemed by divine entities. So, there are characters but not absolute heroes and villains. This saga contains no actual jokes but a little bit sarcastic wits (most of them are very political). It has not absolute happy ending(s). However, there are always beacons of hope of course. This is not a space opera or a space tale. It is opposite of Star Wars and Flash Gordon. It does not reflect emotions directly. It gives them in a more disguised way. Thus, it is not like LOTR and GOT. So, if you want to get sentimental, you should look inner meanings of the words and use your imagination excessively. There is no rain of emotions but latent and slow injection of them. It takes itself very very very seriously so narrative style is quite serious and systematic. It has a bunch of weird concepts. Dune saga is a dramatic flow of life of its characters. And lastly it is not a Lawrence of Arabia story. There are some similar themes, but, no, Paul's journey and personality is completely different from that of real historical Lawrence. T.E. Lawrence was a high-ranked military officer of British Empire which has imperialistic and diplomatic purposes on Ottoman Empire. He tempted Arabic tribes against Ottoman government (with his mentor and mother figure Gertrude Bell). That was a political struggle between Britain and Ottoman state. An Empire versus another Empire. In Dune, there is only one state, one empire, one emperor, one throne (the shortcomings of such kind of system is discussed in God Emperor of Dune). Fremens are The Emperor's subjects too. Corrino Emperor exploits and plots against his own subjects, whether they are noble or plebian. It is not like overseas colonization or state vs. state. But there is same amount of suffering. FH inspired from Middle Eastern-Arabic cultural elements from T.E. Lawrence's Seven Pillars of Wisdom and he thought that if Lawrence had been killed during Arabic revolt, his bigotic followers would have seen him as kinda a prophet and this is a disgusting thing. But he got many many elements from Saharan Berber Tuareg culture and from Ancient Egypt. He also got some elements from Caucasian history to form House Atreides and Paul's journey. He was inspired from Lesley Blanch's The Sabres of Paradise (1960). It is biography of Imam Shamil, aka Lion of Daghestan, a noble Caucasian Turkish chieftain and counsellor of Ghazi Mullah (early leader of the resistence) who put Caucasian tribes together and led series of resistence (1834-1859) against oppressing politicies of Tsar and Russian invasion of that area (1817-1864). This topic is even discussed in Reddit! Plus, I think Atreides kindjal dagger comes from traditional Caucasian short sword called 'khanjali.' Tolstoy was one of the favourite writers of Herbert (he is even mentioned in Chapterhouse:Dune) and he had a novel about Hadji Murat, one of the leaders of Caucasian resistance. In the movie Caucasian elements of House Atreides was replaced by Japanese culture (ok, no problem).
*Spoiler alert for the later books* What do you make of Leto II? His rule permanently traumatizes humanity, but also prevents an even more horrible total human extinction event and even ensures that humanity will never again become the slaves or pawns of a prescient being. He also sacrifices himself, as his poem about Ghanima that his enemies use to destroy him makes clear. He didn't enjoy being a god, he was lonely the whole time after Ghanima died. Should we reject the sacrifice of the Worm God and wish that it had never occurred even if it means accepting and choosing the ultimate annihilation of humanity? If he was right to do what he did, does that make him a hero? Is Duncan Idaho right to reject him?
61 Billion sounds like a lot, but out of nearly 600 worlds that's kinda not too bad... I'm sure the Empire in Starwars was well on their way to being very close to that number, rapidly, if we assume every planet in Starwars holds 5-10 billion intelligent life forms, and the willy-nilly blowing up of worlds by the Death Star probably puts the Empire near that number.
The death star only killed around 3 billion however during its construction they wiped out geonosis to keep it secret. If you consider the geonosian worker as intelligent life form it stonks the number to 100 billion
@@johnnystonks3970 it’s the most conservative estimates. Star Wars takes place “in a galaxy far far away” Paul is the emperor of the know universe. His war was definitely more destructive
Not too bad? Regardless of the proportions of the population in the time of Muad'Dib's Jihad, 61 billion is almost ten times the population of Earth. Paul was a genocidal fool.
Paul's Jihad killed people *by hand*, if he wanted to obliterate planets one by one, he could have easily done so, but he never wanted to kill anybody in the first place. Meaning this 61 billion figure came simply because he *existed*.
Average Paul Atreides hater: hE iS a FaLsE pRoPhEt! hOw CaN yOu NoT sEe ThIS? Average Paul Atreides enjoyer: LISAN AL-GAIB! LISAN AL-GAIB! LISAN AL-GAIB!
As someone who’s just watched both Part one and two, finding out Paul is responsible for 60 billion deaths has me invested. I need to know what the heck he did!!!
Jessica already told you what Paul did at the end of part 2: he just started the Holy War, his Jihad. He just set a horde of fanatic warriors millions strong who believe him to be their messiah on the universe, and they won’t stop until they deliver it to him, no matter how many have to die for it
@@gordo8354 Ah. I thought it would be something like it’s revealed his secretly racist or he orders the complete purge of the Harkonnens, their people, everything on their planet, their allies, and just kinda does that with other great houses but it sounds lkke the Fremen are gonna do that without being ordered ti
@@danieltobin4498in the eyes of the Fremen, anyone who refuses to acknowledge Paul as anything less than the God-sent rightful ruler of the universe and holy savior of its people is a heretic deserving of death. Paul being unable to stop the Jihad is a major part of his character arc. You’re in for a treat if Denis adapts Dune Messiah
He actually is the hero though? Just not in the strictest sense of the word. He did what he did so that eventually someone might lead them out of the system that had been built. He knew he couldn’t do it all in his own lifetime, but he set the path for the Fremen to finally be free. He may have not been the one to do it, but without him it would have never happened. And it was no accident on his part either.
Just like Chani said, the prophecy is how they enslave us. This was not a woke edit by Villeneuve, it is quite literally one of the themes of Book 2 and Book 3 of Dune. A lot of commentary on how the Fremen culture was bastardised, and how becoming the main power basically destroyed their traditions. The terraforming too.
Paul Atreides is perhaps my least favorite character in all of fiction. On the other hand Muah'Dib is probably my favorite. As soon as my feet hit the ground in the morning I yell his name twice.
@@Crimsonlord-mc5ss , yes but before he drank those blue worm-poison , cause he couldn’t see as line future. Like remember Sashes death. His face was literally 💀WTF so my actions lead to this. How many close to me people will die? (This was before siblings picnic in memories)
@@sullivandmitry1416 if paul truly followed the golden path Leto II wouldn't even have been born because he would have already merged with the worms to become the god emperor. Dune Messiah tells us that Paul failed at being the true saviour of humanity and children of dune and God Emperor of Dune tell us what Paul should have done to begin with
Frank, Frank... Frank... If you want to write a story about messiahs being dangerous, maybe don't have the messiah figure actually be the good guy. Paul literally kickstarted the events that saved humanity. 61 Billion vs the entirety of humanity. He wasn't even deluded about his path being the good path. He knew how horrible it was, and he also knew that it was the only way, and he grieved for it.
My friend and I were watching American Psycho and got on the topic of male manipulators and she told me she thinks Dune is the ultimate male manipulator story. At first I thought that was stupid but now I can stop thinking about it.
The anti-hero vibe is perfect in Dune 2, but not as perfect as the very first chad meme in this vid. Regardless of Paul’s shortcomings I still blindly follow the dude 😂
I think kyle maglachlan paul is a distinctly more heroic interpretation, which is helpful considering they only got the one movie so they needed to tie things up more soundly
Dune is warhammer for people who shower
warhammer has superior aesthetics and is like 100x bigger
@@funkydown Okay, and?
@@kaspersaldell and is mostly about people who shower. unlike the fremen
@@funkydown war Hammer is a cheap copy
Dune is Warhammer for old people
Unfortunately for you, Baron Harkonnen, I have already depicted you as the soyjack and myself as the chad.
Leto the first: i will use skillful diplomacy and strategy to preserve my house
Paul muad'dib: i will use the fremen legions and the spice monopoly to take over the empire
Alia: using the power of religion, schemes and my body i will preserve the regency
Leto the second: its wormin time
Leto the second: I turned myself into a worm, it was funniest shit i've ever seen.
@@transformersrevenge9 kinda scary
@@transformersrevenge9 I turn myself into a worm, Morty! Boom! Big reveal: I'm a worm. What do you think about that?
Leto the second goat
The Chadishah Emperor of the Known Universe.
Isn’t it padishah?
@@jaheim_j7treee37 ah, but did he become a chad?
@@jeffreyaguilar8028 bruh idk where you got that from😂
The Kwisatz Chaderach
I get what you’re doing here lol nice 😂
Sigma grindset 10219: if someone’s mean to you, just become a messiah and fuck up their life
Jokes on them, I’ll just have them crucified.
…Wait, they _WHAT?_
You mean fuck up their entire way of life.
Sigma grindset 10220: if you don't like what you see just start a jihad and unleash the fremen
And make drum out of their skin.
@@RoyLevan i mean, its not like he was able to prevent it
The Chad of Arakkis.
HAHAHAHA!
These are your warriors, the Chadikeem...
Btw. Are all of these fan-made paintings ? Or something else ? Where can I look for them ?
Muslims *
@@ahmadfrhan5265 sorry achmed but fremen do not subjugate themselves after being bombed
0:00 He is wasting his water on grief! Such respect!
He is giving water to the dead.
*proceeds to gain respect of widow*
"Father! The Sleeper has awakened!"
Gave me chills how Kyle Maclachlan delivered that line so perfectly.
Kyle was a huge Dune fan and felt very attached to Paul and wanted to play him since his first readthrough.
And you can definitely tell.
Chalamet will outperform him. Maclachlan is a fine actor at his time but the the script is just bad.
I always remember it as him just yelling "Father" into the sky and I love that as a hypothetical scene
Yea I really doubt the newer actor will have the range to capture the energy of those scenes
@@XaliberDeathlock i agree. Kyle's performance was great when I was a kid. Now that I see it it looks like he's in a play. Like he's shouting for an audience and not for his dead father in the ether.
Eren Jeager: i wipe out 80% of humanity
Paul Atreides: hold my spice
Safe and effective Paul Atreides.
Jaeger: I killed like 5 billion people
Paul Muad'dib: You gonna bump them up, those are rookie numbers.
Comparing attack on titan with Dune gave me a stroke....
@@jopajopa1936 chill boi
@@jopajopa1936 same here
ironically enough the song is extremely fitting for dune heck even the title "Little Dark Age" describes dune perfectly
Little Dark Age is already a term in Dune lore describing the period after the collapse of the first interplanetary government, when humanity was a disconnected mess
@@CodaMission is it a direct reference to dune?
@@ultimatebailer honestly unsure
Have your 500th like
hah "little" yeah...
>Leto II smug
As someone who haven't read the book and was confused of the scene of Paul's madness and "overreaction" when he had his vision in the tent. I was like: Hmm, it's gonna be a war among countless wars, why is he faulting himself for seeking revenge.
Then that screenshot of 61 billions lives, countless planets destroyed and the fact that those are the most "conservatives" estimates... gave me a dreadful chill down my spine. Ok, that wasn't an overreaction after all...
Time to read the books!
Controversial opinion (No spoilers): Even after reading the books, I still don't really fault him for the Jihad. Considering the nature of the sacrifice needed to prevent it, I can sympathise with Paul's dilemma and even understand his decision.
I really love that scene in the book. If I recall he sees two major paths that he could take the universe down. In one he joins the Fremen and there is galactic jihad. In the other he walks up to Baron Harkonnen and says "hello grandfather". The later path leads to places "far too terrible to even imagine". It's chilling to think about, that there are fates worse than 61 billion deaths.
and the thing is ... he had to do it , otherwise more lives would have been lost .. the Golden path must be followed ...
He may not be the hero , but he was no villain .
Book 1 - why is he hesitating go for it king rule ur planet get revenge
Book 3 - oh fuck oh fuck oh shit oh fuck go back
Here's a summary ua-cam.com/video/hJ658qV-xAg/v-deo.html
Not a rickroll. Trust
Paul is the "stereotypical" hero, but also serves as a cautionary tale of elevating a single person into something more than human. With all his powers, he still flinched and didnt push through the golden path. Dune Messiah is mostly panned, but only because it serves to deconstruct his meteoric rise from the first book and is thus essential in the actual greater story of things. Leto II though is hard to imagine as the true hero since he subjugated countless humans for a long ass time. The true hero of Dune is just that - in order for humans to reach their *true* potential, humanity needs to discard the idea of a single savior and instead, cultivate and trust in individual goodness no matter how minute in the grand order of things.
oh so no wonder eren yaeger based from paul and leto 2
I’d say leto II did what he did more out of strict necessity to save humanity, he kept them stuck on their planets so that when that control was released, they’d spread out across vast swaths of space kinda like if you squeeze a water balloon and it pops
So basically he's Anakin if he wasn't cooked in Mustafar.
@@jeremieh5009 Exactly, anyone who has read God Emperor should be able to understand that. It wasn't like he did it out of lust for power or sadism.
@@jeremieh5009 reminds me of humanity right now.
Imagine becoming a messiah just to become the evil, the antithesis of where you started
He didn’t want any of it to happen, but no matter Paul’s decision, he could not escape this path
He didn't quite become evil, he ended up unleashing something he couldn't control.
He started having future vision and just chose the path where he survived and got revenge for his father.
He didn't become any of that. He said by himself that he could predict the future but not change it and how desolation that was. He also did his best but he just couldn't stop the jihad
@@reckermatouvc Yeah, that's true!I really don't know why so many people say he was the bad guy!
“Look I’m not saying the Jihad didn’t happen, but 61 Billion is a little much don’t you think??”
Best i can do is 271 million.
Ah, here comes the Muadib Jihad deniers. This neo fedaykin movement is getting put of hand!
Based and goldenpathpilled
Sigma Spice Grindset #398:
Cleanse the galaxy of normies, disappear into the desert
“I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health."
Frank Herbert
Tbh I think Paul is very cool and there is obviously nothing wrong with liking the character, just like many people consider God Emperor from Warhammer40k pretty cool.
It's still annoying when people clearly mistake either of them for protagonists. It's like people idolizing the chick from "Midsommar" as some kind of boss bitch for brutally murdering her boyfriend after being brainwashed by a cult.
@@Nukefandango well Paul is the protagonist of Dune…
@@Nukefandango protagonist does not equal good guy lol
The God Emperor of Mankind willingly sat on the Golden Throne fully aware that he'd be in a constant state of death and revival for
If you ignore the trillions dead during the Great Crusade, that is. He's on a timer tho. It's either that or demons will spill into realspace.
"Paul Atreides isn't the hero of the Dune series"
...uh, yeah he is. Maybe not after book 3, but he's essentially the person who starts the cycle that ultimately saves humanity.
I mean if my memory is correct (I don't to start a nerd war) the first book is Paul the messiah emperor then is son Leto II the emperor worm.
And finally Duncan idao as a Gola at the end freed in the universe?
If I am wrong feel free to correct me (without insult ofc).
@@jeanmichel8919 That's actually exactly correct.
Well I never thougth I would have semi guessed it rigth but thx you ^^.
@@jeanmichel8919 wait wait, Paul´s son its a worm like the Emperor? Or is called like that because the sandworms/Shail Hulul? i dont read any book (for now) so i have so many questions. And wtf is doing duncan alive?!?
@@El_Tanque_ the emperor worm hybrid between human and sandworms.
its a long story you should read the books to discover the whole plot ^^
Timothee Chalamet with the black coat goes hard af
💯
Both Kyle MacLachlan and Timothee Chalamet are very good. Lynch even said he never worked with such a good talented young man who is absolutely serious about the role and everything. The same are saying now about Timothee.
Alas only the studio who cut Lynchs 5 30 h movie into one crappy movie ruined everything. Lynch wanted 2 movies normally. The studio said 1 movie max 2h
I would love to see Scott’s second part,it could become masterpiece
they should make kyle maclachlan old paul for the sequals
Yeah it would nice if they plan on continuing the book into movie.
stop forgetting about alec Newman he's an underrated paul his performance in the dune messiah miniseries was absolutely phenomenal
@@fluffy4090 sure, probably
I cannot know since i haven't watched it and TBH i heard about the existence of those series couple of months ago
They have aired when i was too little.
Little Dark Age is already a term in Dune lore describing the period after the collapse of the first interplanetary government, when humanity was a disconnected mess
61 billion souls sent to paradise.
This is obviously Atreides propaganda(I've already fallen for it)
Fun fact: theres was actually a family named atreides. atreus the head of the family had 2 sons, menelaus and Agamemnon, the leaders of the greek armies who besieged troia in the iliad.
I may be wrong, but as I recall in Dune lore, House Atreides were descendants of that original Atreides family.
@@rileybright-canton6888 or at least what they're claimed to be
Those aren’t just greek Armies... those are the spartan kings, two brothers. The agile and the brute. Menelaus and Agamemnon.
@@rileybright-canton6888 this is true
@@SetuwoKecik wormy boi checked his ancestor's memories and reached Agamemon
Dune and Paul's story showed me that even if all the odds are stacked against you, one can always turn the game around by doing copious amounts of drugs and waging a jihad against your enemies.
INSPIRING
The Emperor: I just plan to murder the Atredies family, what could go wrong?
Paul: So you have chosen death.
This is how I realized that Hajime Isayama (the author of Attack on Titan) tried to adapt Dune into his story but didn't have the guts to follow it through its fruition
Its funny how Isayama said he didn’t want to be like Game of Thrones and that’s exactly what he did…
*eternal champion enters the chat
Did he say he was inspired by dune?
@@Cknows_ afaik no, but I've seen other comments noticing that Isayama might as well based Eren on Paul
I guess he has something in common with Paul then.
the new Dune is great all but the David Lynch Dune is always gonna hold a special place in my heart
It only cost 61 billion lives? In 40k that's a Tuesday
Thank goodness for the "100% safe and effective" Paul Atreides. If we hadn't had him, how many more lives would have been lost?
40k just has comical numbers and hyper exaggerated factions/players in everything “then the space vampires teamed up with the space plague and they wiped out 32 planets with 80176 zillion people”
I don't know much about 40k. Does it bother exploring philosophy and utter insanity/horninness as deeply as Dune does?
@@pseudonymousbeing987 40k? insanity and horniness? ho oh oh my friend these are just different ways to spell the same word!
Ah, 40K... The universe where space Nazi Germany is the closest thing we have to the good guys
I understand the message of dune, I love it, but Paul is just so fucking cool
Paul is another one of those, "literally me," characters that horrify me. There are no heroes in Dune.
I want that “Paul’s harem” painting
That's his mother, love "but not wife, because of political reasons", his "wife" witch he have only to be emperor legally, and his sister if you interested (and if my memory didn't let me down)
a character doesn’t have to be a hero for your to admire them or for you to think they're interesting. what matters is how well a character is written. tons of people think darth vader is cool but he's obviously not a hero even as anakin until the very end of his life.
Based and spice-pilled.
Paul is the space gigachad
Out of all the Galactic emperors out there, Paul has got to be one of the chaddest.
No he isn't. His own son calls him a pussy cus he wasn't strong enough to walk the golden path.
I think that big e is probably a pretty good one I think Paul's son is also pretty cool even though he's a bit depressed
Duncan Idaho : hello Leto II?
Leto II: not today, I have depression.
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LetoII: bring me the medical hash Moneo
Moneo: fucc hes gonna worming
Bruh sry but God emperor of mankind take that spot
61 billion? Damn, he saw that 60, knew he was close to the war's climax, snapped his fingers and smiled, "We can do a bit better before all this ends! Lets round this up a digit!" Boom, 61 BILLION.
Kwisatz Chaderach, right there.
Don't forget the 40 planets he sterilized!
Well, he's the hero in the sense that he's the original protagonist, and his original motives are to avenge his fallen father, punish the harms inflicted on his mother and the love of his life, and on the people he has adopted and who have adopted him, and retaliate for the conspiracy that destroyed his House, against the chief conspirators, the Padishah Emperor and House Harkonnen. All excellent motives. Even overthrowing the Corrino Dynasty entirely and seizing the empire has its virtues, it's how the Empire came to be in a previous act of war and revolution. And the empire had it coming. From the Fremen POV, genociding the outworlders must have seemed fair return for the empire's attempt to wipe them out.
Ideally, all would have been done for fewer than 61 billion fatalities, but, again, the Fremen probably figure the numbers are beside the point. The emperor tried to wipe them out, they wipe out the people of the empire. Or enough.
IF nothing else, it gives rare clarity on the size of the empire, that it can sustain losses like that.
On the whole, Paul's son must be considered the hero of the saga as a whole, with Paul as merely the tragic antihero forerunner and scene-setter. And by the end, he knows it.
So what you're saying is, Paul is the hero that lived long enough to see himself become the villain?
Just wait for leto II, the biggest chad of them all.
Nah, Paul is the best!Leto sacrificed his Chadness by forging himself with the worm!Still appreciate him for the sacrifice tho!
@@serban8298 What's more chadly than creating rebellions against you only to then show those same rebels why you're so based as fuck and convert them?
Paul could never.
Paul is chad
His son leto thou he is lad. So chad he took on the grind set for millenia. All to make humanity chad again.
Pail is father to the sigma chad
Nika the worm
True Gigachad.
I wonder if some sietch had holotapes like this painting Paul as the gigachad savior of arrakis and the house corrino as a soyjack
Damnit Frank! You made the leader too charismatic
Counterpoint: Paul _is_ the hero of the series. He was a 16 year old kid who got superpowers and realized he was going to push the universe into chaos and causing these billions of deaths, including the one of his first son, unless he was willing to get killed in duel. He can't do what is basically committing suicide, but then spends his whole life trying to make his impact as least bad as possible.
I agree, but he isn't actually a hero!If he had taken the Golden Path, yes, he would have been!I'm not blaming him for not having done so tho!By that point, he had suffered more than any regular man could imagine!I think fans are often too harsh on this character!
@@serban8298 the golden path isnt that heroic i think.
It a very thankless task that way
@@electricangel4488 it's not heroic but it is nessasery for humanity's survival. Its committing horrible evil for a good reason which isn't a very good justification usually but in this case it is sadly true.
the thing is iirc, is that even if Paul died in that duel his Mother and unborn sister would've still gone a crusade throughout the universe(galaxy) using him and the Atreides name as a martyr.
He didnt really try to lessen his impact lol, read Paul of Dune. He ends up disguising himself and enlisting with a lower less well known Fedaykin legion (around 2-4 years into the jihad) and heading to another planet marked in the jihad. His reasoning was to get a better idea of what his warriors experienced on the ground and to get away from the keep. Basically he ends up slaughtering countless other fighters in hand to hand "seeing a red veil that even rivalled the strongest spice trances" (not an exact quote). Its not said if Paul knows about what this planet or its people did but he actively participated in the killing. He later allows a crowd of arakeen locals to literally rip a man limb from limb in a square as a punishment/demonstration. This wouldn't be absolutely horrible as the man had done some super messed up stuff to deserve it, but its noted that there were other men with him that were more than likely innocent, and paul allows them to be brutally killed as a message and a way to please his people/the houses. Its shown how Chani is disgusted by this and Paul is very grim, but he 100% furthered the jihad.
Reading the first Dune book right now and I'm convinced I'll still like him by the end of the series. He seems like an epic protagonist with a beautifully idealistic goal. I think he just had a few billion oopsies...
Read Messiah
The Virgin Eren vs The Chad Paul
Hey, this got me hyped to read all of these books in Dune December. So, like, thank you.
Paul was chosen to do great and terrible things…
That's nice to hear! Dune is freaking awesome :)
I did nothing wrong.
Opinion on worms?
Yes griffith you're always right
60 billion dead people?
Truths about the entire 6 books of Dune Chronicles (a warning for new readers): There is no such thing as "hero" in this saga. There are just men and women who do right and terribly wrong things at the same time. This is a fictional period from the history of humanity's fictional future. This is not a black and white fairy or folk tale. This is not a story of a flawed but strong hero who is eventually redeemed by divine entities. So, there are characters but not absolute heroes and villains.
This saga contains no actual jokes but a little bit sarcastic wits (most of them are very political).
It has not absolute happy ending(s). However, there are always beacons of hope of course.
This is not a space opera or a space tale. It is opposite of Star Wars and Flash Gordon.
It does not reflect emotions directly. It gives them in a more disguised way. Thus, it is not like LOTR and GOT. So, if you want to get sentimental, you should look inner meanings of the words and use your imagination excessively. There is no rain of emotions but latent and slow injection of them.
It takes itself very very very seriously so narrative style is quite serious and systematic.
It has a bunch of weird concepts.
Dune saga is a dramatic flow of life of its characters.
And lastly it is not a Lawrence of Arabia story. There are some similar themes, but, no, Paul's journey and personality is completely different from that of real historical Lawrence. T.E. Lawrence was a high-ranked military officer of British Empire which has imperialistic and diplomatic purposes on Ottoman Empire. He tempted Arabic tribes against Ottoman government (with his mentor and mother figure Gertrude Bell). That was a political struggle between Britain and Ottoman state. An Empire versus another Empire. In Dune, there is only one state, one empire, one emperor, one throne (the shortcomings of such kind of system is discussed in God Emperor of Dune). Fremens are The Emperor's subjects too. Corrino Emperor exploits and plots against his own subjects, whether they are noble or plebian. It is not like overseas colonization or state vs. state. But there is same amount of suffering. FH inspired from Middle Eastern-Arabic cultural elements from T.E. Lawrence's Seven Pillars of Wisdom and he thought that if Lawrence had been killed during Arabic revolt, his bigotic followers would have seen him as kinda a prophet and this is a disgusting thing. But he got many many elements from Saharan Berber Tuareg culture and from Ancient Egypt. He also got some elements from Caucasian history to form House Atreides and Paul's journey. He was inspired from Lesley Blanch's The Sabres of Paradise (1960). It is biography of Imam Shamil, aka Lion of Daghestan, a noble Caucasian Turkish chieftain and counsellor of Ghazi Mullah (early leader of the resistence) who put Caucasian tribes together and led series of resistence (1834-1859) against oppressing politicies of Tsar and Russian invasion of that area (1817-1864). This topic is even discussed in Reddit! Plus, I think Atreides kindjal dagger comes from traditional Caucasian short sword called 'khanjali.' Tolstoy was one of the favourite writers of Herbert (he is even mentioned in Chapterhouse:Dune) and he had a novel about Hadji Murat, one of the leaders of Caucasian resistance.
In the movie Caucasian elements of House Atreides was replaced by Japanese culture (ok, no problem).
It is a space opera and Star Wars ripped it off.
T.E. Lawrence was a mystic and a leader of an Arab rebellion against an emperor, so no, not a million miles off.
cringe reddit take..
*Spoiler alert for the later books*
What do you make of Leto II? His rule permanently traumatizes humanity, but also prevents an even more horrible total human extinction event and even ensures that humanity will never again become the slaves or pawns of a prescient being. He also sacrifices himself, as his poem about Ghanima that his enemies use to destroy him makes clear. He didn't enjoy being a god, he was lonely the whole time after Ghanima died. Should we reject the sacrifice of the Worm God and wish that it had never occurred even if it means accepting and choosing the ultimate annihilation of humanity? If he was right to do what he did, does that make him a hero? Is Duncan Idaho right to reject him?
@@mostlydead3261 it’s literally the author’s take on the book bruh
61 Billion sounds like a lot, but out of nearly 600 worlds that's kinda not too bad... I'm sure the Empire in Starwars was well on their way to being very close to that number, rapidly, if we assume every planet in Starwars holds 5-10 billion intelligent life forms, and the willy-nilly blowing up of worlds by the Death Star probably puts the Empire near that number.
The death star only killed around 3 billion however during its construction they wiped out geonosis to keep it secret. If you consider the geonosian worker as intelligent life form it stonks the number to 100 billion
@@Nicolas-ty2qm so on breakfast, the empire wipe out what Paul did in his entire life
@@johnnystonks3970 it’s the most conservative estimates. Star Wars takes place “in a galaxy far far away” Paul is the emperor of the know universe. His war was definitely more destructive
Not too bad? Regardless of the proportions of the population in the time of Muad'Dib's Jihad, 61 billion is almost ten times the population of Earth. Paul was a genocidal fool.
Paul's Jihad killed people *by hand*, if he wanted to obliterate planets one by one, he could have easily done so, but he never wanted to kill anybody in the first place. Meaning this 61 billion figure came simply because he *existed*.
All the God Emperor wanted was his beloved Chani
well you know what they say. To make an omelette you gotta break 61 billion eggs.
Making the mother of all omelettes
@@mkajkot2563 *you know I’m something of a senator myself*
Came right back here after seeing Dune part 2 with a sweet taste.
Average Paul Atreides hater: hE iS a FaLsE pRoPhEt! hOw CaN yOu NoT sEe ThIS?
Average Paul Atreides enjoyer: LISAN AL-GAIB! LISAN AL-GAIB! LISAN AL-GAIB!
Warner Brother should just buy the song at this point. Little dark age might as well be the theme song for Dune
I really like this cover, it's different and a bit more befitting for dune in my opinion, queen udasco definitely did a good job
I agree! I wasn't able to use the original recording for copyright reasons but i was happy to find this cover.
@@gabrielcasanovavideorecord9130 whats the covers name?
@@NovaSoldier Cover of Little Dark Age by Queen Udasco
I'm flattered. :)
That’s my boy
wasnt this still the best possible outcome for the known universe?
Paul only chose the least painful future for him. His son Leto the second is the one in charge of leading humanity to the best possible future.
MUAD'DIB
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It's crazy to think that his son will become a worm and a worst tyrant than him.
The thing about Paul is that he tried his best given his circumstances
I disagree,but cool
Not really, Leto II tells his father that he could’ve taken the Golden Path but was to afraid to so he has to do it instead.
Leto wasnt afraid to become the monster. he is kinda paul is good it a difference in details
@@gargoyles9999 i meant in regards to his human/mental limitations
God created Arrakis to train the faithful, and one cannot go against the word of god
The art work is so beautiful 😍
As someone who’s just watched both Part one and two, finding out Paul is responsible for 60 billion deaths has me invested. I need to know what the heck he did!!!
Jessica already told you what Paul did at the end of part 2: he just started the Holy War, his Jihad. He just set a horde of fanatic warriors millions strong who believe him to be their messiah on the universe, and they won’t stop until they deliver it to him, no matter how many have to die for it
@@gordo8354 Ah. I thought it would be something like it’s revealed his secretly racist or he orders the complete purge of the Harkonnens, their people, everything on their planet, their allies, and just kinda does that with other great houses but it sounds lkke the Fremen are gonna do that without being ordered ti
@@danieltobin4498in the eyes of the Fremen, anyone who refuses to acknowledge Paul as anything less than the God-sent rightful ruler of the universe and holy savior of its people is a heretic deserving of death. Paul being unable to stop the Jihad is a major part of his character arc. You’re in for a treat if Denis adapts Dune Messiah
The 80's Dune movie..one of the best movies & can easily be mistaken. ✨✨✨
Dune is basically a cautionary tale of being the messiah, which is why the books are still popular to this day.
Where is the art of him being surrounded by women?
He actually is the hero though? Just not in the strictest sense of the word.
He did what he did so that eventually someone might lead them out of the system that had been built. He knew he couldn’t do it all in his own lifetime, but he set the path for the Fremen to finally be free.
He may have not been the one to do it, but without him it would have never happened. And it was no accident on his part either.
Just like Chani said, the prophecy is how they enslave us. This was not a woke edit by Villeneuve, it is quite literally one of the themes of Book 2 and Book 3 of Dune. A lot of commentary on how the Fremen culture was bastardised, and how becoming the main power basically destroyed their traditions. The terraforming too.
@@Despotic_Waffle woke? Where are you getting the woke from??? I read the book and it’s a very faithful adaptation
Paul Atreides is what Darth Vader should have been
Leto II: *laughs in worm-man*
Excited and terrified for part 2
Paul Atreides is perhaps my least favorite character in all of fiction. On the other hand Muah'Dib is probably my favorite. As soon as my feet hit the ground in the morning I yell his name twice.
dude noo, spoilers😭😭 i just started reading a book after second movie😭
It's been out for half a century!! 😆
@@Kwisatz-Chaderach😣
He is the hero of dune but he isn't the hero of the dune Saga
¡JESUS F*KING CHRIST! ¡I LOVE DUNE! ✊
The glorious Jihad in the name of Muad'ib must continue!
Messiahs and Scapegoats: Mankind's favorite slaves
Dude is literally live action Eren Jäger
Eren is anime Paul Atreides
its the other way around dune made before isayama was born
eren wishes he was like paul atreides.
Now I begin to think that main protagonist of Code Geass was inspired by Paul
He probably also inspired Eren Yeager from Attack on Titan
@@Crimsonlord-mc5ss , yes but before he drank those blue worm-poison , cause he couldn’t see as line future. Like remember Sashes death. His face was literally 💀WTF so my actions lead to this. How many close to me people will die? (This was before siblings picnic in memories)
Paul is the essence of “I will do as I must to ensure humanity’s survival, even if that means I will be remembered as the villain.”
Paul doesn’t do that. He’s not willing to make the sacrifice. It’s Leto II who saves humanity.
I agree but replace Paul with leto Ii
@@user-yt9ek2xh6i without Paul Leto the second would not have had the option.
@@jeremieh5009 without Paul Leto wouldn’t have had the chance
@@sullivandmitry1416 if paul truly followed the golden path Leto II wouldn't even have been born because he would have already merged with the worms to become the god emperor.
Dune Messiah tells us that Paul failed at being the true saviour of humanity and children of dune and God Emperor of Dune tell us what Paul should have done to begin with
Moderately trolling 90 planets, 40 religions, and 61 billion people
Frank, Frank... Frank...
If you want to write a story about messiahs being dangerous, maybe don't have the messiah figure actually be the good guy. Paul literally kickstarted the events that saved humanity. 61 Billion vs the entirety of humanity.
He wasn't even deluded about his path being the good path. He knew how horrible it was, and he also knew that it was the only way, and he grieved for it.
My friend and I were watching American Psycho and got on the topic of male manipulators and she told me she thinks Dune is the ultimate male manipulator story. At first I thought that was stupid but now I can stop thinking about it.
After part 2, this video needs an update from it.
Paul watching 61 billion people die: oops.
Hes more like napoleon (There is nothing we can do)
Other than the beginning this isn't a meme this is a really well done edit
Thanks
The anti-hero vibe is perfect in Dune 2, but not as perfect as the very first chad meme in this vid.
Regardless of Paul’s shortcomings I still blindly follow the dude 😂
Yeah Paul is good in it....chani tho...ewwww
61 billion lives BY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES, lmao
Yeah this edit goes stupid hard and I’ve been playing it on repeat for a year now
I think kyle maglachlan paul is a distinctly more heroic interpretation, which is helpful considering they only got the one movie so they needed to tie things up more soundly
i like Paul for the same reason i like Darth Vader, evil is cool af
dude this is epic !!
Agent Dale Cooper sure is having a wacky day...
0:20 : artist, please ?
Ngl Paul should have brought it up to 69 billion just for the meme.
So inspirational
I liked the part where he yelled
Paul is not the hero but almost, he is the one who begins the prophecy.
Then come the worms/man but that's another topic.
You are so beautiful to me, my Baron. Your skin... love, to me. Your diseases... lovingly cared for. For all eternity.
I recently finished listening to the audiobook, I figured he was going to go through a jihad but I have no words
As written