Rory Again Tries to Square a Circle
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2024
- Rory McIlroy is captain of Fenway Sports Group's TGL Boston franchise (Tomorrow Golf League) - the very same Fenway that leads the SSG (Strategic Sports Group) new billion dollar investment into the PGA Tour pushing the Saudi PIF out. But Rory is cheerleading for Saudi PIF to be IN the deal.
What kind of circle is Rory trying to square....
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I watched Saturday and Sunday's LIV rounds on the LIV+ app and absolutely loved the "no ad" coverage. Didn't miss a single shot.
Streaming is the future....American commentators are always talking about TV ratings..ha ha
this week with the google partnership you'll get to see every shot from every player.
Don't get used to "no ad" coverage.🤣😂
The long term strategy is clearly a global tour....LIV is doing it right now
Can’t wait to watch the LIV event at the Las Vegas country club.
Super Bowl weekend and Liv event at the same town. Masterful planning I must say.
Keep the talent coming to LIV!
Great podcast guys.
Great commentary as always. What the PGAT doesn't understand, and Rory now does is that LIV is an international golf league with USA golfers being less than 40% of the field. An interesting tidbit is this; Martin Kaymer and Kevin Na are non-equity captains. That means there is room for Rory and Victor. Just imagine that scenario, Holy cow!!!
Was not aware of this. If true, both should be gone as their games do not warrant captainship to make room for Rory and Vik.
@@MikeBodo Kaymer is still rehabbing a wrist post surgery mid 2023. Wouldn't start kicking injured guys that quickly. Maybe true for Na....
Duh… you’re not serious Rory understands? The number of flips he did regarding LIV would have won him an Olympic gymnastic gold medal! That guy is clueless and should not try to pretend he’s smart …He quits as a board member of the PGAT and Spieth replaced him. Now he has the gall to call up Spieth and tell him why he doesn’t agree with the latter? Wtf….
Good reply. I was giving Rory too much credit.
Good description and response. Rory is akin to the pampered athlete that has always been told that he could do no wrong. He doesn't have the depth of formal education that almost all the American players on both tours have. I was giving Rory the benefit of doubt. He does not have an inkling of what the 100th ranked player has to endure and deal with on a 30+ week grind. @@johnseow6544
Best golf pod out there gentlemen, keep it up
Rock on Fbean.
This channel deserves more subscribers!
As always, I am so impressed with your research and background check into the info. I think your summations are the best ones yet. I’m a grayish fool as well and remember the better days of golf and the coverage at that time. Stay true to golf and everything it represents, you two are a class act…
Darkstar's ventriloquist ability is incredible
Rumour has it Darkstar taught Jeff Dunham everything he knows
Very statuesque 😊
Rory now realises the best players are on LIV , he doesn’t want to play against a group of no bodies , Rory will go to LIV for sure
Hope you are right. Also hope Rory realizes he has been manipulated by Woods, PGAT, etc. That realization could be the tipping point.
Nice to see some love for LIV. And you guys are totally right. All the personalities are now on the LIV tour.
Agree! We need the honeymoon to end and need to get some rivalries going!
Rory is the gift that keeps on giving.
: )
Another very good, and thoughtful show!
Appreciate it Mr B.
Here is the reality: DIDN’T even cross my mind to watch the PGA event this past weekend … It’s like watching Triple A baseball ( family and friends) compared to the BIGS where all the stars are..
Caleb Surratt pocketed a cool $750,000 as his share of the Team .... Nice opening for a 20 yr. old ....
He won $330,000 as an individual also... That's over $1 mil 😮. Im sure his peers took notice...
The team prize goes to the team, not the members
@@DanielSong39 Team receives 3 Million for winning .... 750,000 is 1/4
@@jhawker2895 No the team money goes directly to the team to pay team costs
@@DanielSong39 There are NO team costs .... The winning team players get ONE Forth of the winning amount ... Last year that was 3 million per team ... 750000 per player ... Look it up it has nothing to do with team costs ...
As long as the majors exclude LIV players their champions will have an asterisk next to their names for the foreseeable future.
Great show by the way
Watching LIV is like watching a major. You have all the star players competing every event. It just doesn't get any better. The PGA tour is destroying itself and is doing a good job of it. Pride comes before destruction.
Thanks
Another great video gentlemen. Love the margin call reference from the B Team. I’m still trying to wrap my head around how the majors don’t find a way to get the LIV players in their field. There is no right answer and it’s like each major is playing the game of heads I win, tails you lose.
As a European, golf needs to have a global tour and not be US centric. If PGA weren’t so arrogant and myopic they could have listened to Greg Norman over the last decade and satisfied that demand in Australia, Asia, Europe. South America. They could have avoided the inevitable rise of LIV. But they became the Blockbuster/ Kodak of sport, not taking that demand and threat to their cosy lofted positions seriously. Complete idiots.
Great stuff guys. My guess is that they will tick the owgr box . 72 holes, relegation, promotion etc etc and its game set and match.
Looking forward to next Ep
OWGR is corrupt, they will always move the goalposts
Sure they can give LIV points but maybe they'll get Korn Ferry points
Insightful per usual. We better see top LIVers in Majors
Rory should be standing up for the country of Ireland. Huge protests going on over there.
I would love to see a Ryder Cup “like” event with LIV players against PGA USA players. Take a look at the team you could put together from LIV.
That is hilarious that you can earn more points winning at Pebble Beach than winning the Masters. The rankings have become a mockery and everyone knows it. Just think, a player can win 1 event and be ranked higher than a player who wins 4 events. What a JOKE.
Are Monday qualifiers out of the question? And regional/sectional for the opens?
Speith's comments show why tour players should not be deciding business strategy.
Spieth's comment is the equivalent of showing your opponent your hole cards then expecting to pull off a bluff
OK, one more thing. The PGA is becoming a good Feeder Organization for LIV. Thank you PGA.
PGAT does not own any player...they are independent contractors
Is the SSG using the PGA TOUR as a bridge to the PIF? Can the SSG make money off of the PGA TOUR? Or could future cooperation with the PIF in other business ventures be beneficial?
Tmmy - we've always believed that some at Fenway or SSG would see a PIF co-investor relationship as more important than the PGATE investment itself. Agree with you.
Greg Norman has said LIV can accommodate 15 teams. Maybe the plan is to pick off one superstar per year over the next two years and give him a team. They could target the winners of this year’s majors- if they’re not already LIV players- or go after Viktor Hovland and Xander Schauffele and offer them the not quite Rahm deal. Or get Rory and give him the Rahm deal. Reminder: there are only two team captaincy spots left (maybe 3 W Iron Heads).
LIV can accommodate 66 Players - 22 Tee times with a modified shotgun start. Three Early tee offs on par 5’s and one delayed tee off on the first hole for leaders. That would be 15 teams and up to 6 non team spots to qualifiers to accommodate OWGR. Captains can be shuffled and/or replaced especially as captains play declines with age or health.
There were 2 Tourneys this past weekend, both “54 Hole No Cut Events”. Imagine that.
The "Wild Cards" are a great idea. It will allow a PGA player to play in a LIV tournament with not strings attached other than Jay Blood Money "Banaham" banning them. And to try it out.
In order for it to be a tax benefit for the SSG, they would have to get more in tax benefits than they would in actuall $$$ losses. There are some tax loopholes left, but not many. It used to be, like in the 70's, you could actually get more benefit from your investment, tax wise, than you would in losses.
Expect SSG try to strong arm advertisers to buy into an Ad package with multiple sports that includes PGA as part of the package in hopes of shoring up revenue stream for PGA
At some point these guys have to realize that bribes are more effective than blackmail
LIV can accommodate 66 Players - 22 Tee times with a modified shotgun start. Three Early tee offs on par 5’s and one delayed tee off on the first hole for leaders. That would be 15 teams and up to 6 non team spots to qualifiers to accommodate OWGR. Captains can be shuffled and/or replaced especially as captains play declines with age or health.
I personally think that Rory is on board with PIF because if they are excluded they will continue to poach top talent from PGA until there is nothing left and continue to outspending the PGA and SSG group until SSG get tired of throwing money out the window. If they had partnered with PIF then they could have negotiated a no piach clause and get OWGR rankings for Liv
You affirmed my point - nobody in the PGA looks like they are having fun, thereby no one watching is enjoying watching it. That along with the BS commercialism, PGA television is unwatchable.
Isn’t there another angle on this. I recall something in the agreement that stated PIF had to approve any new investors. Can the SSG agreement mean only one of two things: 1/ PIF have approved it; or 2/ PGAT are in breach of the agreement?
I am of the opinion (and have been since the deadline for the deal was postponed the 1st time) that the PGA wasn't acting in good faith. In my opinion they were just playing for time to look for other investors and to stop the bleeding of golfers to LIV while they were doing it. And it seems I was right...
The PIF knew Norman had the right ideas and understood the PGA VERY WELL! Copmpare Jay and Norman - what is the comparsion?
Norman has serious business acumen and Monahan does not
@@pauljcross2289 And Norman understand the game, PGA and the rest of world golf. I think Jay is essentially a yes man for the powers that be behind the scenes.
Let me put it another way. For sake of argument, say you had to back one side or the other. The only thing you know is that Norman is representing PIF/LIV and Jay is respresenting the PGA. Which way would you go? Would you go the winning side or the losing side?
I would trust Jay as much a trust a rattlesnake.
Always choose the side with more money
Did he call the other guy Dark Star? That’s hilarious!
It's Dr. Dark Star
The PGA tour is now a watered-down tour, we the fans want the best player in the world playing together. Fact!! 🤦♂️🙅♂️
Augusta is the definition of elite. That means that the "admin" heels to no one. They call the shots and the only possible approach to "convincing" (as opposed to coercing) the inclusion of Joaco is to appeal to their pride and how only the best of the best get invited. If enough people express this by pointing out that a weaker field diminishes their legacy and reputation, then they might well do the right thing.
Yes. Well said. What would Mr Jones do - invite the best.
The back-up plans would be Liv going to 72 holes.
Bingo, that's definitely one of them. The others I would guess are increasing the field size more, and the big one - creating their own major
I don’t think LIV will ever go to 72 holes, they don’t have to. The players like 54 easier on the body and LIV stands for 54, I don’t see them changing their name or their whole mission of LIV. They can get points as is eventually as more players move in that direction. A few more key players and they will have TV rights, sponsors and the whole shebang! The Majors will eventually find a way to invite the top players if they want viewership.
I believe 72 holes is the problem with golf. It a wasted day unfit for television and fans. 54 is good enough for viewers. Adding another day and you will lose viewers by day 4.
There were Two 54 Hole no cut events this past weekend.
PIF should take the $3 Billion and give $500 million for Rory, $500 for other players, $500 million for PGA of America, $500 million for DP World Tour, $500 million to USGA and $500 million to R&A of Europe. They could but OWGR.
SSG Short term , needs a return, PIF, Long term, can absorb loses for anther 3 - 5 years
A) A few more players coming to live ( Because 1.5 Billion to the 200 players = 7.5 Million per MAXIMUM)... But the equity is weighted toward past performance aka....Past winners get more equity than none winning players ( TIGER Share ) ... Once the players see the REAL Deal they may not be so happy with the current deal... B) Also as stated earlier PIF has no urgency to buy into this "Mess of a Tour". I think PIF will just cherry pick another few top players and watch the fall out from afar.... The PGA Players will have to learn someday they should have looked out for they own Ass-ets... C) Keeping Senator B's committee appeased by making a deal with SSG was a bad deal for the PGA Tour players... ( With all the investments PIF has in US companies currently I doubt the senate committee could have stopped PIF from making a deal with the PGA Tour.) Do I dare mention campaign contributions (he he).. Just kidding ...
LIV will keep poaching players from PGA until no one is left but spieth JT and Fowler and it will be forced to consolidate
Rory had an E-pip-hany
SSG, once it signs to own a major stake in the PGAT, it can then sell it to the PIF, make some money and be gone, gone, gone, yes or no?
By the way - I am rooting for Andy Ogeltree! I've had a good felling about this young golfer from the start and glad to see he earned his way into the LIV tour. I don't know if he will do great and win one or two LIV tournaments, but I think he will be far better off.
I wouldnt be suprised if the 'back up plan' is a proper world singles tour, with bigger money prizes and its own world ranking points system.. entirely funded by PiF.. thus turning the PGA into a feeder tour, just like they did with every tour outside the USA 😂😉
Yasir would miss a great opertunity if he didn't start that singles tour to work along side LiV.. Liv could probably reduce the number of tournaments per year so players can compete in both, but add bigger cash wins to LiV. The singles tour could also operate on a points system that sees good players auto transfer into liv teams. If you don't play well and you get dropped from that team. It will keep the singles tour players hungry to perform.
I don’t think LIV will ever go to 72 holes, they don’t have to. The players like 54 easier on the body and LIV stands for 54, I don’t see them changing their name or their whole mission of LIV. They can get points as is eventually as more players move in that direction. A few more key players and they will have TV rights, sponsors and the whole shebang! The Majors will eventually find a way to invite the top players if they want viewership.
Congrats to The Thunderbirds (PE Group running the Phoenix Open franchise) for running the biggest Carnivore Capitalist, overrun dumpster fire in golf history. Just past 10AM EDST. For most of the 1st 1/2 hour of the 3rd round, the noise was everywhere and you literally couldn't hear the announcers. Nobody did anything and the announcers had to yell over the crowd until somebody got them stage mikes.. Noise and people walking is continual on every hole. There's just an endless din. Some of the golfers are trying to make good with it. But, I haven't seen one golfer who didn't look like he was going to throwup. They say there are 40K people around the 16th. Easily there are at least 40K more swamping the course. Head of The Thunderbirds said they had to close the gates and turn away patrons (who already paid through the nose for tickets?). No kidding, They are easily going to have crowd control problems as the fans get drunker and louder. And it's AZ, so somebody is going to get shot. They say LIv Golf is "golf, just louder", well, PGA Golf is only a bit quieter and less unruly than NASCAR.
It has finally dawned on McIlroy that if LIV players start to get world ranking points (thereby entry to the majors), then the PGA Tour will become irrelevant...
I believe that the Fenway Sports Group putting up $3 Billion for the PGA Tour is just to establish a “false” value for the PGAT in its negotiations with PIF. PIF should stop negotiating with PGAT and focus on top 20 players with majors and the OWGR partners. PGAT could be worthless and bought for a penny.
PIF could strike a blow with a World LIV Open, singles only event in open to the world top 100 players (plus all LIV players), in Australia (or S America or Asia) playing for a $100m purse! 72 holes.
Oh, and say 10 qualifying spots from the International Series.
TMS should be an analysis of the busted PIF/PGAT deal. My take: oil money bravado, PIF silence after Hamas attack and the capper-Rahm. How am I wrong? What did I miss?
We talk politics on the podcast Jimmer. Love to see you there.
Didn't Hamas start a war because the Saudis were on the verge of normalizing relations with Israel? And the current world focus on the enemy Saudi has been fighting for a decade that the US and UK are now battling: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68200488
if this $hit $how continues,will just end up watching LPGA and playing more!
Listen to some of Ludvig's interviews. They are great. Victor Hovland calls Ludvig the Iceman. He definitely has personality without being outrageous. As a Swede, I take Borg over McEnroe anytime.
With Jon at LIV there are no other international players on the tour other than Victor, Fitzpatrick and Mauryama who are worth watching. Rory at some point has to join LIV to keep the international golf world intact and moving forward because the PGA Tour has destroyed the international game.Europe'ss dominance in the Ryder Cup is proof team golf is great for euros.
LIV is now stuck in the FAFO meme.
Rory has exemptions in the Open and the PGA Championship.
Rory and Hovland next to go to LIV
Hovland and Schauflee
I think the only thing preventing Rory from joining LIV at this time are his exemptions to majors running out. I believe he loses that status after this year, as it will have been 10 yrs. since his last major victory. Were he to jump ship now he could very well lose enough places in the OWGR rankings not to qualify for the Masters, PGA Championship and US Open in 2025. Thus, it makes sense for him to stick it out on the PGAT this year and join LIV next year when he'll stil likely be ranked Top 10 in the world and be eligible for all the majors were he not to win a major this year.
I'm hoping Rory wins the Masters so he can join LIV next year!
Can LIV start a tourney called the British Open?
Martin Slumbers has announced his departure from The Open to parts unknown….
so the OWGR granted points to a 54 hole no-cut event at Pebble? that seems like a joke in very poor taste
Like Darkstar said, Rory doesn’t need money so his chase for legacy is the Ryder cup. He flipped when Rahm and Hatton moved to Liv and threatened his winning in the Ryder cup. His Majors chase is mostly the Masters and he’s not threatened in getting to achieve that win.
PGA tournament this week only draw is the 16th hole. If that wasn’t a thing, this would be another boring pga event. Another non elevated event. Unwatchable. Every week Liv tournament has way more entertainment with the individual and team competition and like DS said, with more interesting personalities.
I’d like to throw in this comment on the majors that I hope you guys can expand upon in an upcoming show….if you look at the golf ecosystem, every tour whether PGA, DP Tour, Asían Tour or even now LIV, all of golf feeds off of the success of the majors…go back to Jack Nicklaus, Arnie Palmer or Tiger and now Rory trying to get the slam…throw in Koepka and his stature through success at the majors…It’s the majors that get the eyes and can generate worldwide very high television audiences….The majors are the crown jewels of golf but if they don’t establish autonomy (away from OWGR ) and make sure they have the very best fields, the best golfers in the world and some of the new upcoming young stars, then they do so at their peril and that would be incredibly damaging to their position in sports worldwide and obviously terrible for the sports entertainment side of golf…even the Ryder Cup benefits from the stature of golf in the majors that helps make it one of the top five sporting events in the world…
Rory knows he's not winning another major so I'm predicting that he signs with LIV after the 2024 PGA Tour season. Why not get the check & they will all eventually be playing together in a couple of years anyway
As soon as liv gets major spots pgat is in big trouble!
Most top players will jump
I think Roy is different because the Liv league is world wide and he now can live in Europe and play less and higher purse
Maybe Rory sees how the PGAT destroyed the Euro tour
@@pauljcross2289 I think he does
Liv is a chance to truly make it a global sport not just in US
I think it would happen even faster than soccer, because US is already likes golf, teams will be cool too
I was in the military…so acronyms were the norm!!! But you guys r rattling them off way too fast. Supa PIF, No PIF’r, Nev’r PIF’r, BiG O LIV’r, Ror’e, To-mor’r league’r, ok I got it for now…..😂😅😊
Rory will be at the Masters... Take it to the piggy bank
Langer tore his Achilles.
Time to boycott the Masters since they are boycotting great players such as Neimann who just won on LIV. It is really unbelievable they are doing that. Who wants to watch the Masters if they don't have the best players?
I've almost quit watching PGA and primarily watch LIV! Rory and his crybaby cohorts throwing hissy fits about other players making a BUSINESS decision drove me away! Have any of those whiners thanked thanked the LIV golfers for the new financial structure the PGA has agreed to ?The funniest part to me IF the PGA had been more open to discussing many of the structures more rewarding payments when the now LIV golfers were trying to get them to the table in good faith LIV wouldn't be an issue!
I'm hoping that yassir starts a new major "World Golf Championship"
It's called the "Saudi International"
With JM delaying talks with Yassir so he could get money from fenway would have seriously p...sed off Yassir where your word is your bond.
PIF need a different strategy cause their players want owgr points.
IMHO PIF need to set up their own point system with all the other tours that they work with to discredit owgr as not a true representation of the ranking of golfers all around the world.
All major wins should have an asterix by the winner's name until a totally seperately fair system in place.
Why is PIF in a hurry to join with the PGA Tour ... SSG will probably not make money in the current PGA Tour Structure ... Sponsors will start dropping unless they are allowed to at least stay at the current level of sponsorship... SSG maybe willing to lose $100 million ... One year maybe two max investment... PGA Tour spent over $100 Million last year ... So unless SSG is crazy to lose money their investment is short term ... How much ownership does SSG now have in PGA Tour Enterprises? LIV is about to Explode .. and I Bet PIF is in no hurry to make a deal .... Wait and Watch ..
Live golf is coming and the PGA is spiraling. They’re going to take half of that influx of money grease the squeaky wheels of a few and then they’ll be broke again. Their coverage sucks. Give the live guys points make a few teams on the PGA to compete against Liv and see how they do but Greg Norman smarter than the PGA guy. He’s an idiot.
Rory knows how things are going to end up and Speith does not. Rory should have already jumped ship and didn't. Spieth won't at all and will seriously regret it.
rory's looking ahead to the ryder cup he needs the LIV guy's on his team otherwise just like Whistling Straits there will be more tears the one thing rory loves is serving up to the american's he's a European playing on the amercian tour
Thx Billy........who are Rory's best mates in pro golf do you think?
Someone needs to say the facts, a major is NOT a major anymore. And if you win one at the moment future players are likely to say ...yes, but only half the field was playing.
Rory is in the top fifty ranked player,does this get him in the masters?
Masters can invite whoever they want for political reasons
I think they'll invite him but they can certainly choose not to
and we don't have to listen to Brenda Chamblee on the LIV broadcast.
If he gets any more frost in that hair he will look like Farrah Fawcett.
Just freaking play golf. There will be good players everywhere. Regardless of affiliation. Just freaking play golf.
OK, I'll shut up now. I've commented way too much.
People put to much emphasis on the majors
I agree, 3 of them are played on 3 shot golf courses in the US
Unless its a major golf right now has a retention problem it's like watching paint dry !!!
Many agree DG.
This is how I see it at this point: 1. PIF/LIV is for the future of Golf. 2. The PGA is for the PGA (not Golf or the Golfers) [Get it? The PGA IS FOR THE PGA]
The SSG is for the SSG and we would expect that, they are investors. I seriously think that the SSG people plan to take over the PGA because the PGA has done nothing but shoot themselves in the foot and are VERY DESPERATE!
The best move would HAVE BEEN for the PGA to work with LIV. They would have retained their control and would be far better off. They did not! Now they are very desperate. And the SSG does not see that but is willing to invest $3 Billion or whatever? NO. They see things VERY CLEARLY and I have NO idea who these people are, am I pyschic? Or is this obvious?
Jay is the front man for the PGA. Ask yourselves WHY?
I would not be surprised if the PGA decides to increase the hole from 72 to 110. Wouldn't that benefit their professional golfers? It would cut their career much shorter - more injuries - more happy PGA controllers behind the scenses enjoying the show! Maybe taking bets on who the next top golfer that will drop out due to injuries. And decrease the ball flight and increase the length of holes and reduce the width of fairways. That would be a fun show.
Why have a 54 hole, shot gun start PGA? That would benefit YOUR golfers.
Spot on. Both could have existed perfectly well together. As time goes on and events unravel the whole situation worsens the more Jay, Ed, Jimmy et al fail to understand they could have been part of something much bigger and better.
Langer... and if many of the best players in the world are not appearing in the majors, are the majors going to become less relevant?
Thx Algernon.......yes Bernhard - a good man.
And yes, the Majors are in an uncomfortable situation. Do they know it? What if the LIV guys that are exempt or eligible to the Majors were to stage a strike this year and not play?
@@ThinkingManShow Or can LIV host its' own "major", invite players from all around the world and pay them way more?
@B-Team: LMAO at the comment of the PGAT going to Bandon Dunes in January if they really want to tempt fate with the weather. Butch of morons in charge of the scheduling.
Rory, Team Ireland - LIV, around 500-600- million, done move on
I believe Rory would go to LIV for......(Dr Evil pinkie)..... 1 billion dollars
TGL as i said is a flop and money pit airing on ESPN is s dying platform
I see this cash infusion giving 3-4 years of life
By year 2 if this venture continues to burn cash then SSG does fire sale to PIF
Rory has gone all LBQGT, Cant make up He She Him Her's mind,
Windmills on the greens at PGA events!!!
Well, they are going to have to do something to improve their coverage, watch the windmill putt then here is another blue pill commercial.
so far LIV is free to watch, PGA is not...
all PGA did was feature Tiger for 10 years and nobody else
Regarding Caleb Surrat, he is going to have top quality coaching, training, tutoring with a support system. On the PGAT it's every man for himself. To the pundits that dislikes the team concept don't recognize that almost all casual once a week golfers in leagues with 4 person teams. This is a demographic being forgotten. ⛳