Who Cares About Tiger's Sun Day Red
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2024
- Tiger Woods launches new brand Sun Day Red picking up where Nike, the world's largest sports company, couldn't succeed. But does Tiger actually care much about it....
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He has a new shirt out “Thursday shank” top seller for the minions
That comment gave me an audible laugh. Thank you
And the "Missed cut Day Blue" range
State Farm passed on a safe driving discount sponsorship
or the 'Fri Day WD' shirt
Heard a rumour those shirts are made in China.Wuhan perhaps? Tiger wears shirt, comes down with Flu like symptons and withdraws just call me suspicious.
Tiger should have came into the market like Shaq did with a price point that any golfer could afford and then eventually jacked the price up. Kind of like a reverse PXG marketing tactic.
Seems like tiger had a nervous breakdown Friday. He just gave up. I am not buying the severe cold….
Chevy - it is all too coincidental and you know we hate coincidences. Agreed.
A nervous breakdown? Lmao NO
@@USCfan03tiger got sick. Could he have been a little tougher ? Maybe. But the guy had influenza. Everything doesn’t have to be a conspiracy.
He got into a crowded van and hugged people in the locker room with a "severe cold" and "flu-like symptoms" LOL
Exactly. No one hams up injuries like Tiger Woods does, remember he didn't hit a shank because he made a bad swing oh no no no - it was because of 'bAcK sPaSmS'
Yes, no one cares about the new brand at all. None of my friends care at all. The logo looks ordinary; it doesn't leap out at me like a tiger should! In fact it looks like a cost reduced Shark logo without any imagination. Your call on the fossiled logo is spot on. Tiger thinks that they the fans will follow him but I cant see it. I love the Shark brand of golf clothes because they are good quality & do the job which is what I'm after; easy. Is this to draw attention to the PGA rather than LIV. I would say not. I can't watch the PGAT these days after LIV & I'm in my 50's. The LIV Adelaide event has already sold 100,000 tickets for this April's event which is awesome.
He should have just ponied up the cash and bought the Thundercats logo, now that would have been cool
Use that same logo to start a LIV team and fill the roster with his yes men (some combination of Spieth, Scheffler, Thomas, Fowler, Burns, Homa, Zalatoris, and Horschel)
Now that would be lit and he could create untold amount of merchandise with that
Why would you introduce a new apparel line 2 weeks after the PGA Merchandise Show!!
Screw Tiger's Sun Day Red. I want a pair of the limited Trump Hightop Gold Sneakers. Those things are cool.
You and me and all my regular foursome.
B-team "joining by phone"!? Well this is new! 🙂
Love your work as always chaps.
It's almost always Darkstar who joins by phone
@@DanielSong39 Yes was a nice change of pace 😅👍 prefer both gents in the same room but practically not always possible
What an amazing weekend on the PGA. Worlds 893rd ranked golfer releases his own apparel line which apparently no one likes and proceeds to WD on Friday and is now 896th ranked golfer.. In another twist a college educated kid can't count to four (no surprise there) and is disqualified. I Love the PGA they always find a way to amuse me.
lol!
Thought he dropped out of College . The scorecard thing still happens. Will it ever go away?
you forgot the funeral home director Nantz's commentary
@@billmoyer3254 Nantz also needs to be replaced, his voice quality is not good and his speed and timing just isn't there
I talked with a friend who is about 38 years old and was a little all American in football, and was on big break and played on mini tours... his comment was: "golf is cool now. Young folks love golf now and eyes light up if you tell them you play." College kids follow their college teams. Etc etc.
Sun Day Red is Sun Day Dead. I wouldn't spend a cent on the narcissist. He should do us all a favour and retire.
I for one like the Slazenger rebrand.
When I 1st heard he was targeting a certain market with his new clothing line, i did not believe it. 80% of his fan base are weekend warriors who do not have a lot of money. We'll, when I saw 125 to 175 for a polo and 250 to 350 for a long sleeve that said it all. He is targeting certain clientele. Which I am good with. I am not paying 175 for a polo that has what looks like logo that was stolen off a Chinese restaurant menu. Just saying.
Good logo dig
The big thing I noticed when I spent my 3 minutes watching the LA Open over the weekend was how few spectators were on the course. Hardly anyone was hanging around 18 green after it ended to watch the award ceremony, and this was with Matsuyama winning. Can 't wait to see how many show up next week to watch the NOT-Honda! You think Jack will even bother going?
I noticed the same. I had it on with the sound off. I am 63 and have watched this event for decades. Especially yesterday and somewhat today I saw alot of grass exposed on the hill around the 18th. I bet their attendance was the worst since whenever
@@kennethmckinney2532I went to that tournament ages ago when Faldo won. For decades now In LA people Don’t stick around to the end of any sports event.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 not even Tiger
@@Mike.A.exactly everyone in LAs need to avoid traffic is more important than tiger.
Tiger better get his shirt in pro shops fast. Salesmen are what he needs.
Real fast.
@ThinkingManShow he is probably been sold a hill of beans on selling in the box stores (PGA Superstore or others.) Cool stuff starts at cool golf courses with a significant name embroidered on the shirt. People will buy that.
@@nbt3663too much work for tiger. Much easier to market to big box retailer.
This is a great podcast. Do y’all have a link to an RSS feed?
Thx much JQ. Welcome!
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I got a better name than Sun Day Red. Play Every Day.
"Hey man I love your P.ED.'s"
If they help you play better golf where can I get some.
"extremely unique" 😊
So you guys r behind on this pod….again Mr Sun Red Out withdrew… I wonder how many times Jack, Arnie, Ray Floyd etc withdrew..it’s almost more of a normal for ol T dub. I’m not sure the Suns out Red shirts r gonna make it. He ain’t no Jordan. 😳🥵
I think his very loyal fans will overspend on this gear once or twice. The stores will overstock his merchandise. In 2-5 years the line will be reduced to online shopping.
Sun Day Red sailed into the sunset on Friday.
@@billfairless6256 good point, he needed to have a good appearance to launch the brand.
Most of Eldrick sales will occur where his clothes are “Made” and that’s in the CCP, but let’s bad mouth the Saudis(who’s owned companies for over $47 Bill. in advertising on the PGA Tour) LIV.
Jack, Arnie etc stayed healthy. Tiger is very fragile unfortunately some athletes are prone to injury. How many surgeries did Arnie and Jack have related to golf during their careers?
When you trying to control golf it helps to have an OEM beholden to you .
Kevin - excellent point. How many players now rely on Taylor for at least driver? Ball? Irons?
And changing any of that is no easy task. Adding to the problem of gear changes is “the clock” and “the campaign”. Every year you’re a year less young (speed, strength, recovery, endurance). Every campaign has a beginning and end - you want your game to peak at tournament time. However, campaign cycles aren’t continuous. Interrupting your clock or campaign with a gear change is a high risk situation.
Is he starting this out now so it is an “industry brand” when Charlie is about to turn pro? I don’t know how many Sundays the shirt is going to see on Tiger on the course.
Looks like the old Le Tigre logo from the 80's.
There are some pro golfers that are wearing the Shark brand. Charley Hoffman, Stuart Cink, and a few on Champions tour.
Between the TGL, TGR Design (championship courses + popstroke mini golf), restaurants, and now Sun Day Red, he's definitely pivoting to ventures for business life after competitive golf. The problem with starting a golf inspired lifestyle brand now is that the market is already flooded with them and they cover varying demographics/age groups. Also it's not just touring pros that have gotten into the act. Now you have golf influencers like Good Good, Fore Play Golf (Barstool), etc that promote apparel or have started their own. The other thing when I think of Tiger, I don't exactly think style or trend setter when it comes to clothing and apparel. I think Sun Day Red will stick around because Tiger has a lot of money and its an easy way to promote his bigger overall "brand" but I don't see it becoming a hot seller that changes the landscape of golf lifestyle/apparel.
Well said Conserva.
He chould have just continued to wear Nike without getting paid. After all made $500 million from them.
The logo doesn't stand out from a distance or when it's small like on a polo. A solid silhouette of the iconic Tiger fist pump, ala MJ's Jumpman logo, would have seemed a natural choice?
Keep hearing from MSM golf how Tiger split with Nike….have feeling it might be Nike decided not to renew his mega deal for someone who rarely plays golf.
And no money in it Mark. Agreed.
Haven’t heard an outpouring of gratitude from Tiger thanking Nike for all the support and cash through his reckless life choices.
@@ThinkingManShowthey had some nice words but he has moved on quickly.
21:50 Agreed. The LIV tour is becoming the cool tour to watch. You can tell because now the PGA has invited UA-cam golf influencers to compete at a chance to play in a tour event. Fat Perez will save the PGA ! 😂
Will Paige be swinging them at the pro am
Matt Atkins (who is in the field) actually has won on the Korn Ferry Tour and made the cut in the PGA Tour even in his last start
Scott Stevens has won in PGA Tour Canada and played a full Korn Ferry Tour schedule in 2023
George Bryan made the cut in his PGA Tour start as a sponsor's exemption
Luke Kwon won in PGA Tour China
Not all the UA-cam influencers are bad
@@billfairless6256 Paige had 3 starts in the Ladies European Tour and made 1 cut
Won a Cactus Tour event and finished 11th on the money list
To be fair she was a run of the mill pro whose dreams died short of the LPGA Tour, she was not a publicity stunt
Not talking about Paige Spiranac I was talking about Saraya Jade Bevis aka Paige two-time WWE Divas Champion, @@DanielSong39
The best brand for clothing in golf comes from an old movie star. It's modern, appealing to the young crew who weren't even from his generation and has an awesome logo.
William Murray Golf
Great gear, but a touch expensive for most.
Wait for Charly🎉🎉🎉
I would NEVER buy anything with the Tiger Woods name/logo on it.
Nope. Me either. Especially 175 polo, lol. 250 to 350 for a long sleeve cashmere sweater, lol.
Probably way over priced and not affordable for the people he’s trying to have access to the game.
Ok
Excellent virtue signaling 😅😅😅😅
@@Noeau way over priced.
Clip art
This will work when Tiger wins a few more majors to surpass Jack.
Where were the spectators?
It’s possible that the company that gets people to spend $600 a year on a new driver that can go 30 yards farther might be able to get people to buy a shirt.
30 yards farther? 😂 You mean like 2 yards.
@@Y0utubeCommentor I would argue 0 yards compared to the previous years driver in most cases 😆
Greg and Jack, especially Greg were still playing when their brands were released. The Shark was a label when Greg was at his peak and is still going. Tiger is too late and won't hit the course often enough to push his brand past the fan boys. Can't see him selling to the ladies
Good points John.
Many would like to "play like Tiger" but not as many feel they want to "be like Tiger". You're right with moms and wives being negative Tiger; golf audience very different from other sports.
Tiger is used to squeezing fans and sponsors for every last dollar while doing the least amount of work possible. The easy money is drying up for tiger. Besides, Greg and jack owned their businesses and put their money wheee their mouth was, tiger never invests in anything. He only collects on the sweat of others
Hi guys, can we explore the topic that was brought up on his body structure at 48? Pretty much is suggested he's taking something he probably should not to look that thin. And further , didn't he have a Canadian Doc that would come to Jup Island house to administer off label drugs (being nice) ? My orthopedic surgeon says he's probably taking large amounts of schedule2 just to live day to day. I'd love to hear more especially since we have a MD in the house.
He's been on and off PED's for decades, hence why he's had so many injuries. Adam Scott has the same Tiger 2000 swing and has been using it for decades with no awful injuries like Tiger
Dude PED's are a just part of any big money sports
If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'
100th ranked women golfers are juiced up to the gills LOL
Thx HJ - yes put Darkstar MD down as a “no” not natural. He was even chief resident in fact.
We’ll go there regarding Tiger and “juice”. Likely we would start the other way round - why wouldn’t a guy like Tiger take PEDs?
@@ThinkingManShow boy you got me there....why would a player with TW's talents take PEDs? I guess recovery and faster/better. bought as a chronic pain patient, I know when I stop my MSM be dammed pain meds, there are consequences.
The logo looks awful. They should have stayed with the 3 triangle/claws from his brand. Name is silly with separating the words sun and day.
What happened to the golf course? They had a shot from behind the tee on 18 and all the trees down the right side are gone. What about the ones that look dead all over the course. Maybe the Eucalyptus trees?
Pollution from all those electric cars.
The trees on 18 have not changed it has always been quite open there. The eucalyptus on the course like the ones on 18 are very healthy.
Those “dead” trees I believe I heard them names sycamore which are dormant I believe. They give a lot of character.
Theres also some great pikes around like left of one.
And a few amazing oaks like left of 12 tee.
Beautiful palms.
Riv looked better than ever.
The greens were better than ever.
The rain had the place super green. But the fairways were firm and fast like the greens. And there was some lush rough around.
They softened 10
Which is sad. But they didn’t do too much which is good.
They also got rid of the mounds on the left side which left you a hanging like from the thick rough if you missed left. Impossible to hit the green from there
Course changes aside 18 would be a much better hole if the trees on the right were closer in and any drive on the right edge of the fairway was stymied by the trees
Also the mounds and slope on the left with thick rough needs to come back
The driving area is still fairly wide but it's more fun if the 30 yard misses leave pros with extremely difficult shots
SDR looks like a cheap UK brand called Slazenger. Massive letdown but I agree that I can’t imagine TW cares too much, as long as it suits him and the hardcore fans.
I still prefer PGA tour format but it’s impossible to ignore the talent on LIV… lessens the impact of pga tour wins. It will hype up the majors though which is something 🥳
I do believe James Bond 007 played a Slazenger1 golf ball in Goldfinger. James Bond was flash man, couldn't see him using cheap stuff.Players such as Jack Nicklaus, Seve Ballesteros, Tom Weiskopf, Tom Watson and Johnny Miller also used Slazenger products.
Interesting. That is not the case now, cheap sports direct brand acquired by Mike Ashley which isn’t desirable
Growing up in the UK during the 50’s Slazenger was a major sporting equipment brand. In addition to golf they also had cricket, tennis and many other sports covered.
@@derekwhyle1884 shame they didn’t evolve as their market share now is negligible
Ironic that the tiger on the apparel is dead.
Tiger does not have 2 more majors in him. Last tournament showed he doesn't have 1 more in him. I doubt if he has anymore making the cuts in him.
Wrong.
And that’s exactly why fans will tune in when Tiger plays - to see if a miracle occurs. He’s not healthy and that is a massive problem to rigorous training and repetitive practice.
Just how extreme is he willing to go to extend the useful life of his body? Does he have a whole team of medical and biochemical experts helping him? Given his drive and the historic accolades at stake, the odds favor it.
@ThinkingManShow and the muscle mass he has put on in a short time, one has to question the use of PEDs. The injuries he has had it is very likely that he is. How many adults at that age are producing extra testosterone?
Fri Day Quit
Compare Tiger's logo with other animal based logos like Slazenger, Puma, and Greyhound and you tell me what the difference is
TW sold his soul long ago. He must have crossed his masters at some point and they have destroyed him for the most part, and are now using and abusing him at their pleasure. He was long ago done as a worthy human being and is now done as a useful golfer. He's just taking up space in any tournament he plays. Yes, I've long been a tiger hater. Have no use for him and since he became a board member I will not dedicate any of my time to the pga tour.
Understandable Sark.
I guess it was supposed to be called "SUNDAY RED" but Tiger then realized him ever still playing on the Sunday (4th day) of any competition is a bit far-fetched 😂
The letters being spread out isn’t the move plus the tiger isn’t appealing. Definitely could have been better. Also Looking good darkstar!
Darkstar NOT wearing the fossil tiger.
I only buy all my shirts from the local thrift store for 2 bucks 😳 got a golf visor the other day with Tigers autograph on it for 4 dollars 😳
At one time his auto meant something😂🤣
In Oakland we steal em.
Is the ball juiced? I dunno but but Eldrick surely is.
lol
It wasn't the flu... it was a Hangover!
He should have released his brand after a win, that would have stood for sucsess, now....its synonyme with failure
Bah!
I would buy a PXG shirt first, and that would be very strange because I really don't like paying a premium to advertise for someone else. Maybe I could start my own line of apparel. It would called Three Putters Anonymous and feature really loud colors. If you play bad golf you should at least advertise you can laugh at yourself!
Tiger has a lot of fans and I believe his clothes will do well for many years to come even in this ridiculously crowded market.
The logo leaves room for mockery but it’s not bad. It’s actually growing on me.
But those 3 letters floating around will never grow on me because it just looks like bad design. So the ocd in me could never like that.
I do wish he had a fist pump icon. Or even a classic tiger backswing or finish. But that’s just me.
I would probably simply call the line:Tiger
…and use Sunday red or sun day red more as a slogan such as:
Your Sunday red.
But imo tiger will do well With this line. The clothes look nice imo.
The fist pump would have been a good default Oahu. Taylor will sell some stuff - but to whom? Next gen?
Does Tiger really care. Probably not.
@@ThinkingManShowhonestly rich black guys alone will keep the business running. A bunch of athletes will Wear it. That will make others wear it.
Surely Tiger will get shelf space which will help sell.
He HAS to not use those 3 letters.
But I honestly would wear it. Would I buy it myself? No but I truly don’t buy anything. But if my wife got me a shirt or a nice sweater I wouldn’t complain.
I’m in my 40s
"Lifestyle" brand, you wear until the next lifestyle comes along. Life brand is so expensive, it's the last pants you'll buy. People that'll buy his clothes are so old they don't buy green bananas.
very much lol. cheers CW.
Called it early Thursday, Tiger would find a way to WD if the game was not there! He is no longer relevant on the golf course yet the Networks keep milking the cash cow.
Worth about $5
The only way Tiger will win another major is to id as a chick and play on the LPGA.
But the LPGA’s sponsor is ARAMCO, which is a Saudi company soooo….
In that case Tigers got sweet F..k all chance of winning another major.@@guyh.4121
He can still win majors
What if he wore a Hijab with a tiger skeleton on it. Surely they couldn't complain about that.@@guyh.4121
TGL is DOA just like Tigers shirts
If Nike is moving out of golf apparel you think they know something?
Tiger's ego and head must be gargantuan if he thinks anyone is going to give a shyte. It's one thing if an athlete is in or around their prime promoting a self brand, but no one wants anything associated with a retiree. I don't get it! The only example I know of is Air Jordan shoes, but that's apples and oranges. If Jordan broke away from Nike and put out a new line, it wouldn't make any sense and those shoes are a clothing line unto them-self.
I played a round last week with two 20yr old new golfers in Perth Australia. They were wearing Good Good clothing and using their balls. They are not aspiring to Tiger
Were those 20 yo guys watching any pro golf?
Good question. Didn't ask. What I can say is that it shows that people here are prepared to pay sometimes 40-50% of the product value to have these items shipped literally half way around the world. And these products are not easily found. To me, that indicates the level of gap in our current market in Australia
I did some research - In Australia, LIV is broadcast on one of the major "Free to air" channnels. The PGA is viewable only on a subscription to FOXTEL (Fox Sports) which is the most expensive viewing subscription in Australia. So, if you're trying to "grow the game" with a younger audience in Australia, the LIV are all over it and the PGA are not.
@@ThinkingManShow
He will only care if he took money out of his
Pocket which i seriously doubt he did.
Hes trying to stay relevant but you have to complete a tournament and win it
PGA tour is a fossil, dlbj how many players choked down the stretch is pitiful...I bet at least 54 people were watching.
More than 54.Some of their wives and kids were watching as well to see who their new friends will be.
Logo looks like a skeleton of some animal, maybe a golden retriever? Or decomposed Puma logo?
or fossil cat.
Tigers sales will occur in China. That’s his market, Not in Saudi but China.
They are in a recession
Guy - is he hot in China? If so, was that not working for Nike TW?
If China is his market why are the shirts written in English?
@@billfairless6256 ..his Nike gear was also made in China soooo…..
@@stevef4010 …there’s over a Billion people in China. Not everyone is incapable of buying Tiger gear.
Nike is a brand tiger new threads are a untied brand, just like trumps new shoes, either don't impress me
If Tiger cared he wouldn’t have released such a terrible logo and name for his new line. Great pod as always.
Thx Cam............the fossil cat.
If he cared he could pay up for the right to use the Thundercats logo
Instant brand awareness
He could start a LIV team with that same name too
Seve used blue on a Sunday. Tiger's red thing is just copying. He may have more majors but he'll never have the style and charisma of Seve
Tiger has a big problem - ego. He should bow out with a bit of grace.
Nobody is going to buy Sun Day Red. And I’m the definition of a Tiger Woods fan. It’s just not a cool looking logo or name.
Maybe he should open his own chain of "foot long sub" shops like he used to feed his 45 girl friends he had while married... Sick of Tiger
Corgi - you’re not alone in that sentiment.
Well I junked Nike long ago, will not wear the new brand as he’s not my favourite personality.
Sun Day Red is and will forever be a trash brand. It’s plain and was designed to hustle money from the diehard Tiger fan who is a brand snob.
He should have taken the old TW logo and partnered with an established brand making his own line of clothes. The wannabe Puma logo makes me sick.
China
TW never maximized potential sales...MJ so far ahead of him $$$ wise...
True.
Likely have to spot MJ has a better, bigger market.
Tiger is the problem. He's not playing well. Anyone who shows up in tiger gear is going to get flack about not finishing the round.
WD - TW is Tigers problem. He's getting a fail. People don't buy fail.
Golf is dead.
You may talk sarcastically about Tiger and his new shirt logo...who cares about that. You can't take away his record.
He’s a top player. Just on record and achievement we put him 4th all time.
Would like to go deep on the PED issue. If he’s clean, then he should welcome that scrutiny.
To me the Tiger brand stands for an outstanding golfer with an unassailable record. I don’t believe his life achievements are strong on personal integrity or ethical behaviour. On that basis , I don’t think he’s the right man to be heading up the PGA tour.
Well said Derek.
Who cares? The fan boys who will spend $150 a shirt to sport Tiger wear.
Likely but not a sure thing oddly.
Tiger’s ball never juiced. You guys don’t know what you are talking about. World’s greatest golfer… you guys accuse him of cheating? Openly on your crappy little podcast? You are scraping the bottom now guys… first and last time I’m listening.
Thank you for watching LJD. it’s a matter of public record. The Nike juiced ball (aka one-piece ball) was in Tiger’s use starting after the 2000 Masters that VJ won. Tiger won the next 4 Majors in a row while no one else had the ball.
Tiger had the very first modern, low spin go forever ball and no one else did until Titleist created their own version - Pro V1.
A stunning advantage to give one player. Tiger’s run ended when everyone else got the Pro V1 and started getting used to it.
Stevie Williams has said the Nike ball gave Tiger a 2 shot advantage each round - so 8 shots per tournament.
Here is the story related by Golf Digest:
www.golfdigest.com/story/how-tiger-woods-sparked-a-dramatic-shift-in-the-golf-ball-business
Tiger was but it’s Tiger who as he is so 2 yrs ago and he’s finished winning on the PGA tour, his best shot is to ride the cart with John Daly on the champions tour.Thats it.Sure the PGA players like the crowds he draws but to play with him is a nightmare ,if he’s having a bad day so is all around him with distractions to the other players.Thats what I see.
Stand Alone WTF is Stand Alone you mean hes Alone as the GOAT 🐐