“Live action”… and then over half of the CRUCIAL CAST is all cgi. It’s literally not that hard to just write good characters and then cast little people to play the roles. There are SO MANY hopeful actors who would have done amazing.
As an animation fan, it feels real bad. The "Live Action" animation somehow seems to intentionally avoid the magic of animation, when it absolutely doesn't have to. Just go look at the old Narnia CG and compare it to the Lion King CG movies. Aslan just looks so much more compelling and spirited.
It's just to save money and "avoid controversy" by shutting people out. Like when they used the MeToo movement to shut down criticism of removing Mulan's male love interest because he thought she was a man when they first met. Actually a lot of this BS was shown in Mulan: we'll remove singing and talking dragons because it's a "realistic" movie, but add a WITCH WHO TURNS INTO BIRDS (and like Chinese-Canadian youtuber Xiran pointed out, that's a WESTERN WITCH so they made their realistic movie less culturally appropriate too!). Disney will avoid casting little people as much as possible because that would make it harder to silence the community.
@@calamitysangfroid2407 the witch in the live action Mulan was written so badly too. why are her powers so inconsistent? she claims she can end the life of the enemy leader with a single flick of a finger (paraphrase, don't remember the exact dialogue) but somehow has to sacrifice herself by flying into the path of the arrow aimed at Mulan, like gurl, you dion't have enough magic to just conjure a small gust of wind to blow that damn arrow off course? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
it's really annoying that one single man's opinions were treated as the monolithic opinions of The Dwarfism Community instead of what they are - one man's opinions
Would have been kind of interesting for them to have been family living in the forest. Not 7 siblings living in the forest, but an actual family with 2 parents and 5 kids. Maybe they adopted some or all of the kids, idk. Either way, there being a mother in the house would totally explain why they all let a teenage girl live with them. At least it would be a better explanation than what was given in the original Disney cartoon, which can basically be summed up as, "it's impossible for men to know how to cook and clean even though they've been living by themselves for decades".
They could have been trans, too. It's not like people with dwarfism can't be trans. Or we can have an enby dwarf, too. Like, Sleepy, Happy, Dopey, Enby, Sneezy.... I mean there's SEVEN of them so we could have everyone really represented in that little demographic.
Your mentioning of older media featuring little people made me realise that, as a kid growing up in the 80's/90's, TV and movies were _full_ of little people. Granted, the representation wasn't always great, but there were plenty of high profile appearances in cinema (Billy Barty, Kenny Baker, Warwick Davis, etc.), whereas nowadays it feels like it's just Peter Dinklage who is able to get work despite films like Mirror Mirror showcasing talented actors.
You know who I loved so much was Phil Fondacaro in Troll especially, he was such a lovely character and even though the troll itself was yet another yes, creature makeup deal, he got to act without all that as just a man, and a very sweet and kind guy who really stood out in that film. I actually really like that film a lot, it's very fun.
I haven't thought of that but it really does feel like Peter Dinklage can singlehandedly cover all the little people roles Hollywood has to offer. I think that the more the CGI evolved, that less little people roles there were.
@@pajasmekal5643 It's kind of a sad indictment that IMDBs "Top 30 Little People" list of actors has, basically, 3 categories: - Retired - Dead - Peter Dinklage
A found family action adventure tv series of the seven dwarves would have been so fun 😭😭 there’s just so much space to play and so many fun things they could have explored!
RIGHT!!! IT WOULD'VE BEEN SO EPIC. They could've turned it into it's own franchise and gotten an epic fantasy/action adventure show out of it. I see so much potential in a project like that.
I think they already tried years ago giving the dwarves their own show. It was a cartoon based on the Disney Snow White Dwarves called The 7D bit only had two seasons and wad more of a wacky shenanigans type of show cause that was popular on every kid's network to do for some reason in the 2010s just make a bunch of a wakcy comedies or the handful with a story and lore attached. But if it was something with lore and a story like Tangle, Star Vs., Gravity Fall, ect, still be silly but have a story and depth forming it would have lasted more than two seaons
Thank you for clarifying Dinklage's comments. So many people have spun it into him wanting to erase these roles but he mainly has a problem with how shallow and one dimensional they are. There are things you can criticise Peter Dinklage on but this is not one of them!
Well, you can still criticize him, because those 7 characters AREN'T shallow or one dimensional in the original. He was speaking from a place of ignorance about the original 1937 film.
@@thareelhelloagainexactly. Honestly I think people ignore the fact that they gave 7 characters individually in the 1930s just cause they didn't give them enough. I mean, can you name one individual piece of film media BEFORE that with as many characters that are each distinct? The fact that the dwarves aren't interchangeable clones of each other WAS GROUNDBREAKING. Youre taking a major change in the concept of visual storytelling and complaining just to find an excuse to complain. I mean in Wish they tried doing the EXACT SAME CONCEPT, with the friends being based on the dwarves, but they dont come off anywhere as strongly.
The Dwarves weren't 1 dimensional in the film. They were designed that way to appeal to the child audience but also be fun in general. They were never meant to be super complex because the story of Snow White itself is simple. The point of the movie was to showcase that animation is a legit storytelling method with the ANIMATION AND MUSIC itself being the showcase. On top of that, the dwarves leave more character in what small bits they do due to them writers knowing how to use theirr gimicks to express who they are. We got a lot of character from Doc and Grumpy being moral rivals due to how they bicker about how things are ran, considering that Grumpy challenge Doc who is SUPPOSED to be the leader of the group.
@@battybuddy That's because the friends from Wish made no sense in general and were only constantly highlighted as references to the Dwarves AFTER THE FACT due to how their was no character to them and no one gave a shit. They were TERRIBLE characters and just showed how the writers of Wish not only didn't get the dwarves or the general feeling of a lot of the original classic Disney movies, thiss remake doing the exact same.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid I quite like the 7 friends from Wish, actually. I mean, Dahlia for one has a LOT of character, and is very active within the plot in assisting Asha over and over.
Just bringing this up because I'm not sure anyone else has. The dwarves in Snow White aren't little people they're DWARVES, magical beings, basically a type of fairy. They aren't disabled people, heck they technically aren't human. One could argue that little people shouldn't play them because they aren't the same thing. No one (to my knowledge) complained when the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movies cast non-disabled actors as the dwarves and remember Snow White and the Seven Dwarves was one of the inspirations for Tolkien's dwarves, that's why they're miners, so why are people treating the Snow White dwarves as little people when they didn't with the LotR dwarves? All that being said Disney SHOULD have cast little person actors or hell even non-disabled actors and I think the only reason they didn't is because they can pay voice actor less. One of the richest companies in the world and they're cutting corners.
Yes, I was looking for this comment. The cartoon did give the dwarves proportions which would be best brought to life with little people in the roles, I think, but they are not humans. That's part of why they're just miners with no explanation.
They’re just projecting their own ableism towards little people in Hollywood onto him. They got triggered at the idea there could be a future where “dwarfs” weren’t solely used as comedy, or fantasy creatures, and got upset. “How dare he want better roles!”
Well, he said that the seven dwarves live in a cave. They don't, he made that up or maybe didn't know the actual movie. The dwarves are fine roles and that's what not only the original movie but also the fairytale is about. If there are no 7 dwarves, it's not snow white.
@@fartcannon-wg5ol sounds like you're struggling to see the vision of a future in Hollywood where little people can play roles other than Snow White's seven roommates. Way to prove the man's point.
@@purefoldnz3070it’s usually the way. People want to self soothe their own prejudicial guilt. The only way to not feel like a ‘bad person’ is to make the world change. It’s wild the routes people will go to not acknowledge their own shortcomings.
I totally agree with you, if Disney expanded on their characters, like in mirror mirror, it would show such positive representation, (which is probably what they think they’re doing with the cgi) on how resourceful, badass and creative they are!! Keep up the good work, the video was amazing.
I think that casting a latina as Snow White merits criticisms about the colour of *character's* skin. In the book, the fact that she is pale is seen as a mark of her great beauty. Latinas (and African-Americans, and Indian and South East Asian women, and probably a lot of other people) have been pressured to have pale skins to the point of using bleaching cream. And comparing pictures of Zegler in real life to her in the trailer for the movie, it's clear that the makeup department made a look a lot paler than she is. So that's not appropriate representation. They could have kept her complexion and explained that "White" was her last name. Or just not explained it at all. So yeah, the problem is not that the actress is Latina, the problem is that doesn't get to look like herself in the movie.
Kinda reminds me of Rita Moreno being forced into brown face as a Latina to “look more Puerto Rican” in west side story (where all the other Puerto Rican characters were played by spicy white (Greek etc) actors also in brown face), when she is, in fact, born and raised boricua and happens to present primarily European descent. She mentioned in an interview she tried to protest it and point out boricuas are all skin colors, but it was the 60s so it didn’t get far. Bit of a reverse example, but I think the common thread is that Latinas are forced to fit a mold of what they should/shouldnt look like in Hollywood, rather than just present as they are
@@Joyride37i also feel like with both Rachel and Halle in their respective remakes were fed to the wolves. They knew the casting was going to be controversial and they’ve done nothing to mitigate the harm caused to these actors and just let the damage become irreparable. I think it paints a good picture on how Disney doesn’t cast with the intent of diversifying these movies at all
@@Joyride37also I love Rita, I’m Puerto Rican so she means a lot to me. I actually got her barbie doll that was release recently of her dressed up in her Oscars dress and she brings so much joy to me 🥹
This also reminds me of how Disney treated its black and POC voice actors back in the day with movies like Jungle Book and Dumbo, casting black actors (which is great) but only ever as non-human characters and even literal stereotypical metaphors (jazzy dancing apes and jive-talking crows, respectively).
I don't understand why filmmakers will have a single consultant that they stand behind on matters of disability representation when they could have a small committee. Maybe it's a matter of money for some companies, but not Disney.
I highly recommend "Blancanieves" from 2012. Without giving spoilers, not only is unapologetic spanish reimagining of "Snow white" having a latino cast and story revolving around spanish culture, it also has the love aspect you were referring to. I would love to hear what you think about it.
I saw Time Bandits recently. It's about little people travelling through the universe stealing riches from the wealthy. Their characters were based on Monty Python and was directed by Terry Giliam. Good movie. Deserves more love. It was on youtube the last time I saw it. Also Willow was fun.
My girlfriend loves Snowwhite, literally her favorite Princess. Then we saw the cgi little people and immediately got the ick. Like? What? Just use real actors? Put us off entirely
16:02 Peter Dinklages character in Game of thrones has a really genuine relationship with a non-disabled and GORGEOUS woman that’s actually important to the plot. If you haven’t watched GoT and have ever wanted to it’s really good.
I doubt many people here have watched it because it’s technically a kids show, but The Worst Witch series on Netflix brought in an actress a few seasons in who had dwarfism- she just played another one of the magic students at the school without any plot revolving around her height or condition and it was SO refreshing to see. If they can cast a little person in a kids show without any fuss, why do they have so much trouble doing in other media???
People’s bigotry comes out lightning fast when you occupy a space they don’t feel you should be in/as soon as you inconvenience them in any fashion, no matter how small.
It isn't about feeling whether people should be there or not, but it's like would you cast a White person as Black Panther? That would be bonkers and just insulting. So Snow White because the character itself is literally described as having snow white skin (which IS possible in a fantasy made up movie where mirrors can talk because of magic) should technically yes, be played by a White person OR have a POC do whiteface to get the look right. It is literally in her name. We would NEVER in a million years expect any traditionally Black character to be played by a White person and we never should have ever done it in the past -- but that doesn't make it right to have this particular character be played by a POC specifically. It's not about "feelings" or being "inconvenienced", it is just about being true to the character as written. It was important enough for the author to actually make her skin color her name, so it's not right to just ignore that completely.
I think this is the first time my brain has linked little ppl and the dwarves. Like idk, in my brain they are magical creatures, like dragons or rumpelstiltskin (can’t spell) living in a fantasy location like Montana
Same. I was surprised when I looked up the history of the word "dwarf" and found that the magical creatures are actually named after little people, and not the other way around
for all the criticism rachel zegler got for saying she accepted the role because she needed a job.... with how this movie is looking it seems like that's the appropriate way to think of it tbh! it's not looking great but it sure is a job!
People who are mad at her for that act like they’ve never taken a shitty job just so they can get some money before. Just because acting is a glamorous job doesn’t mean it doesn’t suck a lot of the time
Oh please. She pouted that her life is hard having to wear the Snow White dress during the strike and she deserves more money for having to work in such difficult conditions. 😂 Yeah. She said wearing a dress is hard so pay me. Your comment looks much less compelling now.
Congratulations on releasing your documentary it's very important since we rarely get the perspectives on the little people community from the little people community.
So many gems in this one. "Disabled people aren't props," needs to be on billboards or tattooed on peoples' foreheads until they *get it.* Thank you for your insight and continuing to fight for better representation! (Also, I love your videos, you're hilarious)
Also omg mirror mirror is so good, I always wondered what little people thought about it because as an average height person, I found them to be so charming and cool!! Written like people and not like props..
Growing up in the 80s, many of my favorite actors had dwarfism with one of my favorite shows being The Wizard with David Rappaport. He was the lead, considered a genius and went on crazy adventures. I would love to see this be rebooted and it's a shame this version of Snow White will likely fail as Disney just didn't bother to think beyond their main character. This was a great talk and it's good to hear from someone who actually has a stake in this conversation.
The orginal story just says theres 7 dwarves who live in a neat clean and tidy house in the woods and that they mine for ore in the mountians. Everything else about the dwarves is Disney invention. So theres no reason they cant change things to make things better by expanding on the roles and characters of the dwarves (I mean they already did it for the orginal). As for Snow white and who plays her I dont really care. The problem is the pale skin is what drives the plot and conflict between the evil queen and snow white so skin colour does matter to a degree.
Brooo Mirror Mirror! when I think about the movie I LITERALLY only can remember the seven guys and how they were so fun and their personalities and motives, I really loved them most out of the whole movie
disney chose the cheapest way they could do this movie and it shows from. everything about it. also this is my first vid of yours and your energy is awesome :) subbed
I very much enjoyed Cryano. I went to see it on a whim and got the soundtrack stuck in my head for months. It's a lovely film to watch for a breather between all the bombastic action and world ending stuff we'd been getting at the time.
You kno, it's really frustrating to see dwarf actors having no inclusion into acting recently in the entertainment industry. and love to preach about corporate diversity equity inclusion but not included dwarfism. Because they see there community as a less oppressed class of individuals over other marginalized protected communities. so instead, they decided to cut corners to exclude them and to CGI. focusing on one sided point of view of an actor. like Peter dinklage, over the dwarfism community. excluding them in culture, like what they did with Willy Wonka, and now Snow White. This will be the biggest flop in Disney history.
It depends how much these fantasies are based on Norse and Germanic mythology. Originally, dwarves could be good or evil. In the Middle Ages however, dwarves started to be portrait as little human like creatures with predominantly negative connotation. The "Heinzelmännchen" are also dwarves, but aren't any longer called so, because they are helpful creatures. American filmmakers often get dwarves wrong, because they completely ignore their culture of origin. Everybody thinking that dwarves are little humans and them living underground is offensive, has already shown their utter ignorance. Dwarves are spirits that live underground. They are shapeshifters, more skillful in crafts than humans and wiser. They are also the investors of art. The four dwarves that carry the sky are still known today: Norôry = North, Suôri = South, Austri = East, and Vestri = West
While it’s sad to think about the missed opportunity from Disney to cast real actors with dwarfism and give them their shine, it is great to learn about previous adaptations that have done it right!
"A very weird thing to get hung up on," as you put it, could be the summary of the current cultural discussion of this movie thst literally no one has seen. I appreciate your perspective on this; subscribed!
I was thinking, maybe in my own take of Snow White, the 7 dwarves or people with Dwarfism could be part of a village, a community of various people with the same condition, or same fantasy race, whatever the crew of little people I'd work with would want. There could be a few families and the 7 are just the 6 who strongly befriend Snow White. They've been kicked out of the kingdom, and make a living by trading with travelers, perhaps with rare gems they find in the mine. I'd probably have them be experts on dealing with some fantasy beasts like dragons or what not-- but Snow White can come in and handle the beast with peace and singing as well. The way they deal with the fantasy beasts can also tie into them killing the evil queen later after she poisons Snow White. There's a village elder, a mom type character, maybe doc is the local doctor or whatever. The 7 can be whatever race, could play into the story, but maybe the kingdom has had travelers from around the world for generations, or that's just how things are. The prince character could've even been from the village, and that's why he trusted to help her out. They met once before while he was traveling into the city to trade, and kicked it off. Could extract from the main personalities of the 7 from the original film and expand on those, or might make new characters. I do like Dopey and Grumpy, but the others are kind of... whatever. You can also have other fantasy creatures in that village, but the 7 are little people, or dwarves. Whichever the actors like. Could be a mix. Though I guess if it were a mix the fantasy dwarves could have elf ears and magic. I don't know. An engineering person could be cool as part of the group. Making like a water wheel thing, stuff to take character local pests, and whatever else, really. They could be insecure about it, wanting to be seen, and all that. Could also have one of the people dealing with being queer in this fantasy world along with the disability.
Two years ago at a Fan Expo, Martin Klebba confirmed that he is playing Grumpy in the movie, after rumours have been circulating for a while. Since then, the only mention I can see of him being in the movie was Klebba again confirming he's in the movie at Motor City Comic Con last summer. Looking at IMDb he is only listed as being a technical advistor (which could be related to motion and performance capture) but it is important to note that IMDb is not an offifical source of casting information. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how this news seems to be kinda forgotten in the conversation surrounding the movie both by Disney and everyone else.
4:44 --- No, its not weird. Their are miners. They work in a mine, and then return home. You can ask questions about why they are mining (to gather ore and raw gems, probably to sell them) and why they are living together. Why do they live in the woods and not a village? Because thats where the mine is located and because the infrastructure for a villiage wasnt established or would be too cumbersom for elderly to traverse. Remember, its the medieval-time'ish that we're talking about, building a villiage from scratch, in the middle of the woods, no fields, no water ways... isnt happening. I would guess, from the original setting, that the dwarves lived in that house temporarily for work, and returned home to their families every couple months. This is guesswork, of course, I might have studied history but I'm no expert on the Brothers Grimm. 5:12 --- You are correct: cast the best person for the role. Period. However, lets be honest here: if it was the story of a black princess in Africa and the studio would cast a white acress (because she was simply the best) ... we both know the world itself would explode. People have a certain picture in their mind regarding certain stories and roles; "Snow White" is a centuries-old story and people have preconceptions, thats natural. On one hand I believe the allout rejection of Zegler on basis of her ethnicity is childish; let me give an example: Orlando Bloom's first major role was Legolas, a white, blond, blue-eyed elf. And Bloom looks very different normally being latin American (I think). However, nobody cared. In the movie, he wore a wig and colored lenses, and post-production lighting as well as make-up made him look paler. Nobody cared. - But Disney didnt do this with Zegler: they made it a point to not make her look like what the audience would expect. Which makes me think (personal opinion) that Disney takes the skin-question much more serious than we might think. Otherwise, they would've done what Peter Jackson did with his Legolas-cast. 9:31 --- Hmmm... my impression was, from what I heard and from this longer quote, that Dinklage flamed not Disney as much he did his own community. It showed me on one hand his limited knowledge about the tale (they were miners and worked in caves, but lived in a house - which was actually tidy in the Grimm's original, I looked it up) as well as, as it seemed to me, disdain to having Dwarf roles. You are correct, of course: in many Hollywood productions, disabled people are usually props and not real characters. However... Dinklage didnt seem to really know himself. After all, we dont know what the movie might look like. I fear Dinklege jumped to conclusions there which prompted the negative reception. 17:36 --- I liked "Mirror, Mirror". A completely new version of the tale, and one that did it right, with a twist and loads of humor. Though, when I think of dwarfism, I usually think of the movie "Willow" (the original, mind). Whats your opinion about that one? I'm curious. The dwarves there might not be humans with disabled bodies, but a "race" in that fantasy universe, but still... You cant say, they werent real characters. I think the sole problem was (in my opinion, of course), and this is leaning into your suspition with the branding from the beginning, that Disney didnt think of the Dwarves as characters. They focused solely on the story of Snow White, how she would become a leader, how she would defeat the Evil Queen, all on her own because (and yes, I'm leaning into the controversy here) they made Show White a "girl boss", who solves her problems on her own and doesnt need help, not from the dwarves, not from a prince. You see it in the trailer, where she commands the dwarves around to clean up their own house. I can see very, very well why that advisor from the dwarfism community told Disney to use CGI: she was right! This depiction of dwarves isnt was that community deserves, it isnt what the movie and we, the audience, deserve. And (in my opinion) it only proves that Disney took the easy way out: ignoring these characters existed and just used them as props. Which isnt what people wanted and hoped for. I think, every fan of the story would've loved if the dwarves would've been treated like real characters, with all the background you mentioned, which they deserve.
I want to see real dwarfs!! Not because i think it's a circus or something weird, but I want to see little people working in a role that is made for little people!! I first became aware of little people working in acting was watching the making of the original star wars movie. There were dwarves in all the droids and ewoks! As a kid a had no idea, now i want to see dwarves where the role is perfect, why not.
As POC, queer and neurodivergent, Dinklage's comments just made sense and echoes what I hear in those communities. So many big companies, especially Disney, loves marketing their progressive representation while being prejudiced towards other groups, and when those groups say, for example, "wait a minute, why does your cis gay male character make transphobic jokes?" they make it look like those people are whiny and hate representation. It's those things that show the companies aren't sincere at all. If you want to represent all people, then people of colour and little people are obviously equal. BOTH groups were treated as exotic spectacles in the past. Even by Disney itself.
You have to understand - None of these companies are sincere. Not the progressives nor the conservative. It's always, always, always a marketing ploy. It's about making money. And if they have to pretend to care about the things you care about to get you to open your wallet, that's what they do. Once it stops working, they'll switch to a new thing and get money from those folks.
Great video. I always try to hear perspectives from groups affected by stuff I read about. Shut up and listen before commenting on things I'm not qualified to speak on, etc. And Little Person rep seems like a special kettle of fish. I've known a few folks when I was growing up and the nuance to situations can be really tough, as public understanding is shifting so fast. But engaging with videos is good, so here I am commenting lol
Thanks so much for this video, really appreciate hearing your perspective and completely agree that there should be more representation of people with dwarfism in general.
There's no Equivacacy between People with Dwarfism and Dwarfs in modern fantasy. Its absolutely positively undeniably stupid. Dwarves in Modern Fantasy and Folklore are actually just as capable and more so because they went from Fae Creatures to a Nordic Coded Race of Craftsman and Badass Warriors.
Yes!!! I would watch the fuck out of a series centered on the seven dwarves! We don't want or need another snow white. We wanna see some creativity and imagination from Disney. The live action movies that included that were the ones that had the most success. Wake up Disney.
That’s really disheartening that they’re CGI… There’s so many talented little people that you’ve highlighted in your videos and on your instagram that could’ve easily been hired to play the roles.
In the 80s there were more options for roles for little people. Remember " Willow" ? Warwick Davis got his first role in " Star Wars: The Return of the Jedi ". " Legend " had plenty roles.
Yeah with the skin tone thing, her beauty is explicitly tied to how light skinned show white is. While I understand the desire to lean away from that aspect, this is another instance of taking a story that is inherently tied to old european values and beauty standards and trying to make it "progressive" and "feminist" without addressing the issues inherent in the original text. The original text is about a young girl that is abused by her parent for being too hot. Her attractiveness is presented as a virtue, right along with her sweetness and submissiveness and ability to do household labor. Her mother is a stereotype of older women and is shown in direct contrast to the youth and motherly characteristics of snow white. She is punished for being too naive (the whole plot for her stepmom to kill her, not just once but several times with multiple gifts culminating in the apple), but in the end was too beautiful and sweet for the narrative to really kill her and thus is "rewarded" with a man who presumably will take her away to have his kids and keep his house. THIS IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE STORY AT ALL. Every subsequent adaptation builds upon and makes the story more palatable for modern audiences, as is normal. But yeah, not ever addressing the issues in the source material and just glossing over it rubs me the wrong way honestly. The people working on the film, including actors and writers, may sincerely care about messaging and inclusiveness but the company who ultimately gives marching orders will happily throw them and all their values under the bus if they see that being the path to more profit. This is the underlying problem with pretty much every Disney "live action" remakes, in my opinion.
Your first comment about her skin color equalling virtue made me picture a film in which Snow White is named such when she's born prematurely and perhaps is very sick, and when she gets well, her color begins to return. If the Queen is her mother or stepmother, perhaps the fact that her daughter isn't this paragon of ignorant beauty standards anymore, yet she is still loved and seen as the fairest of all, could be part of the catalyst for the Queen's jealousy and murder scheme. That would be an interesting and far more relevant approach to the story than just making Snow White a girlboss and pretending the paleness issue never existed.
@@psychotophatcat I agree, I think addressing how to address the colorism in the source material is beyond my scope of expertise but I do think that if you want to tell a story where the protagonist is a POC and simply exists in the world without discrimination, snow white is an odd choice for that. I love the 1997 adaptation of roger and hammerstien's cinderella. Not sure how POC communities view it, but I think that there is a place for bringing racial diversity to traditionally white characters without a narrative explanation, but snow white makes it awkward because the name itself denotes colorism.
Its not a progressive story. It's a good story. The former prevents the latter to exist. Progressive isn't good. People need to wake up to it. It's a lie. It's a change to truth to fit into the lie.
What an insightful video! Thank you for taking the time to make this, I think many people would highly benefit from not just this video, but your channel as a whole.
Why does nobody ever mention Time Bandits? That movie was fun and fantastic. Dwarf was never even in the title. And if I remember, the bandits were never referred to as dwarves or even small of stature. They were all amazing and were cast perfectly. When I first started hearing about this whole Snow White controversy, I hoped that Disney would have hired the Time Bandits veterans and things would work out stellar. I can just picture "Kevin" as Dopey. Alas, they are all too old now or passed on.
Fairy Tale Theater has a lot of great episodes that I still encourage everyone to check out. Unfortunately, it also has some that aged incredibly poorly. Mick Jagger in The Nightingale comes to mind.
I think I get why conservatives jumped on hating snow white; they saw more left leaning people giving it flack for its treatment of little people and tried to 'Yes and all this bigoted stuff I want to say' us. They really like to pretend that the left and right agree on xyz when we really don't.
Correct. We don't agree. You voted for a President and a VP who want to go to nuclear war. We voted for the man whose against war. And his record shows it. As does Putin who will make deals to stop war with Trump. You voted for a woman who says Trump's a NAZI because he cares for America. You voted for supporting the only NAZI army on the planet by giving Ukraine money and weapons. And you are good with that. America is hit with a hurricane and you demand we give weapons to Ukranian NAZIs. Not to help our citizens. You are fine with FEMA skipping Trump homes to give them support because you are equitable. 😂 The only part you got right is we don't agree.
There can be no argument about this. Good entertainment done write with proper promotion usually doesn't flop. Or in this case, implode. Nuf said, people have spoken
For me, its the comments that Zegler made about the first movie that got me bent out of shape. For the seven dwarfs in the movie, I would have liked to seen a setup where it was an old timy minding village and we get to see the wives. Snow white's getting upped to about 20.
I often say good things come out of Disney despite Disney. It really is the artists and creators in the company that are pushing their global reach to tell meaningful stories. When left its own devices, Disney is a multi billion dollar monop- corporation that will go in whatever direction it thinks will lead its investors the greatest return, which is often the worst thing for art. It’s bad enough when it’s just art, but when that art is tied to real people, it becomes so much worse. I would love to see more media with little people! I grew up loving Davis and Dinklage is a funny guy! But until corporations stop worrying about exponential profits and start caring about art again, it’s up to small time creators to make the things we want to see, and up to the rest of us to help share it
Gal Greenstein is her real name btw. She changed it to sound less European despite being a European woman 👌🏼 there’s TOO MUCH wrong with this movie I have no clue why they’re even trying. Screw up after screw up.
I mean she's not a European woman, she's Ashkenazim and was born and raised in Israel (free Palestine) That being said, she's surprisingly pale, her foundation was horribly matched to her skin tone at the Golden Globes last night like omg her face was like two shades darker than her body
00:33 - What's wrong with non-disabled people voicing their opinions about this issue? Little people are voicing their opinion and this isn't about them, either. The 7 dwarves in Snow White are an actual fantasy race, unto themselves, not little people. The 7 dwarves aren't human beings with a condition that makes them develop the way they are, it's an entire race of people that are ALL exactly like that because that is how the race is. Just like no one is talking about Orlando Bloom playing and elf in LotR and taking away jobs from real elves. And Peter Dinklage is no spokesperson, because he's already cashed in on every role he could snag to make his millions.
I think it's more that the discussion is about whether it is offensive to people with dwarfism, not whether it is a good artistic decision. People with no knowledge (such as myself, admittedly) seem to be speaking for those with dwarfism. I was glad to hear the perspective in this video! A rare YT algo win.
Eh, for most characters, the colour of their skin really doesn't matter, but come one. This is snow white. Have you read the fairy tail? Her skin is supposed to be as white as snow. That's where her name comes from. So not only should they have casted a white person, they should have casted the palest white person they could find. I wouldn't have cared about the remake either way, but it still shows how little these people respect the source material. Honestly it's mistake to even make these fairy tale movies in the first place. A fairy Tale is way too short to faithfully adapt anyway, so why bother.
It did initially feel wrong to see little people be reduced to playing dwarves who are defined by a singular trait. I liked your perspective and perhaps it all comes down to the material. Little people can exist in a fantasy world but their characters must be written well. I imagine there is a lack of little people working behind this movie. It sounds like there was a lot of consultation but are any of the writers of the film little people? I feel like the animated Disney movie is antiquated and a reimagining could be interesting but their live action remakes have been so dull. Likely this new movie will be a paint by numbers of the old movie with one song about women empowerment.
When we and Peter Dicklage got upset about the Dwarfs we did not know if there was going to be Dwarfs in the movie or not or who was going to play the Dwarfs. 9:43
So so glad I found your channel I agree with your analysis 100%❤ I would also love to direct your attention to the 2012 black abd white silent film from Spain Blancanieves. I think you would find it very interesting. Also I'm kind of dying to know if Smalls is your actual last name😅
You seem quite smart, I'm surprised in this hyper specific case, that you can't see any criticism of Snow Whites skin as valid. In this particular case, where the character is named after her skin (the reason they shouldn't be making the film in 2024, Grimm's grandmother's tales were collected to "prove the superiority of the Germanic spirit"). Zegler seems lovely, and the US doesn't hire enough people of colour in their films (or represent their cultural diversity at all) but can you really not see how weird this particular case is?
Gonna make this shorter: You said she could be a POC because it's a magical world, but she couldn't have "snow white" skin because it's not a magical ENOUGH world? You aren't making sense with this argument. If it's a magical world, of course she can have literally snow white skin, as she is described in the original story. She is literally named Snow White because of her snow white skin.
hello! I want to ask some clarification: if I get this right your suggestion is simply making magical dwarfs into fleshed out characters instead of one word personalities and fixing empty bg stories ect. would work? if this is correct then I can definitely understand it, because otherwise the answer to any question about a character would be "because: dwarf" otherwise I would assume it didn't really help because "the origin is still there" and causes discomfort it's turning the caricature into a good character like any other takes the discomfort away, right? (like to you, ofcours, you don't speak for everyone I know) just wanting to make sure I get it right, because I cannot fully wrap my head around how much magical dwarfs have impacted little people but I understand, from my own experiences, that if a character gets to be actually a character... the traces of the caricature can be hard to ignore but I always fear the worst knowing how terrible bullying gets so I wanted to be sure I got your rewriting suggestions correct ^_^
i remember hearing about the controversy and just... not hearing anything else on the snow white movie production for a while x,U i honestly didnt realize it hadnt come out yet. i agree extremely with the fact that fleshing out the characters and exploring their circumstances to a realistic extent would ground them so much, and disney turning away from that to keep them as a Magical Creature depiction to i assume "not break the magic" of the original film/its legacy was just a bad choice (after disney constantly making these types of bad choices for their films imo). it just feels so weird for them to continue pretending that "oh they arent little people, theyre magical dwarves! cartoony things! no semblance to real life people!" >_> like im so not surprised by disney doing something like this (they will always do as much as possible to avoid trans or gay characters in their series and i could rant on and on about that as well), but am so glad u made this video because im really interested in the other productions of snow white that Do pick up the slack and give these characters And the actors portraying them a decent story and respect!
Why do you think the MAGICAL DWARVES in the original snow white are little people and aren't good representations of little people... when they aren't little people? Just like the dwarves in LOTR are not little people. That's why the live action normal people version of the dwarves were called magical creatures.
As much as I hate how Game of Thrones ended, Peter Dinklage does really stand out as the best actor in the show. After watching this video and hearing a little about how you think, I think you might enjoy it. Just don't watch past season 6...
@Aubrey Smalls: I respect your opinion on this, but mine is different. I hate everything about it. Mostly because they mutilate existing movies that people have loved for many years instead of making a NEW story and a NEW movie, so they then could make it whatever way they wanted, with whomever they liked, no problem at all. But no... of course not... They're like lazy vultures picking clean the bones of earlier beloved and successful movies! :(
Well, damned if you and damned if you don't. If they had real Dwarfs in the movie they'd be scorned. If they had CGI they'd be scorned. If they had people who aren't Dwarfs they'd be scorned.
Here are my thoughts on the new Snow White film; they are as follows…. After watching the trailer, reading the comments section, and when the film finally releases… Me after watching the trailer… *”Every* wrong is recorded. Every slight against us… Page after page, etched in blood… Peter Dinklage, Modern Audience, Walt and Ron Disney, Bluth, *Zegler.* The wokies must pay… Let. Them. Come. There will be *no* alliance while *I’m* High King, *only* …a Reckoning! March on, Brave Dawi. March On! To the cursed realms of Bluesky, this fettered realm, we go. Expect vengeance, a great wrong has befallen our kin. Innocent Clan Dwarfs butchered by -Didn’t Earn Its- DEIs. Attacking ethnic groups, stealing acting roles from Dwarfs, and destroying our children’s innocence. This fell deed has been entered into the Dammaz Kron, the cover slammed shut. -Thronebearers- Commenters… Ready replies. Consumers… ready wallets. For Karaz Ankor!” -Thorgrim Grudgebearer, High King of the Dwarfs, Lord of the Karaz Ankor, Ruler of Karaz a-Karak, and keeper of the Dammaz Kron(Great Book of Grudges) Me seeing the comment section… “At last, enough of this larking about, lads. It is time to arm ourselves, to act like slayers, and bring hurt feelings to the Woke! And especially those sniveling lefties! I wish to cleanse myself in battle. And once I have cleaned my soul of the subterfuge, then I will wear the honorable Cloak of Fyrskar again! There is no time for speeches, the Woke cult gather before that Theme park. Their evil masters in the middle of some Valaya cursed ritual to the Leftist Gods. I see before me -the vampire- Zegler canting its’ filthy Umgi tweets. I want you to bring me the tears of the craven things, destroy the Woke filth before us, it will be a joy to spill the tears of the Wokemen before us. The Wokelord is a stain upon this world. You, consumers, I hear your wails and howls to be past this. For Grimnir, let us bring them no victory, let us bring Disney destitution! Now, My Throng! …Ready the shield walls, bring the oath stones, let us dreng all before us! Charge for the oaths you made in Karak Kadrin, Charge for the honor all of Kadrin, Charge for your King, Charge for the Slayer Crown, Charge for Karaz Ankor, Charge! When the job is done, I will crack open a barrel of Bugmans ale and we will drink till none can stand! Are you with me, Lads!? -Ungrim Ironfist, lord of Slayers, king of Karak Kadrin, the Slayer King, Head of the Slayer Cult, killer of dragons, orks, elves, beasts, ratmen, undead, humans, mutants, and daemons… and (second) best/worst Dawi Slayer ever to exist. Me when the film releases… “At LAST! Our goddess has spoken to me. She who prepares the hearth, who secured our holds. You know who I am… and I see you scum. For I am a White Dwarf, and only a worthy folk can appear in *my* pages. This is a day to strike many grudges from the Great Book. So let us accord great deeds this day and give these wokie scum a right Royal Hammering! By my beard…! -Thaggoraki(Ratmen)- Disney filth… -Urki- woke scum… I would have words with you, Zegler! You *KNOW* Who I Am…Dinklage! Get Out of that CEO chair and get over here, Iger. By Vlaya’s cloak, I’ll have each and every one of you wokies back at Bluesky, Posting your meltdowns! Let’s Have Em! For Karaz Ankor! •Grombrindol; the White Dwarf, -(Probably) Former High King and Elf friend Snorri Whitebeard- mysterious dwarf spirit, Chosen of Valaya, bane of Thaggoraki(Skaven) aka Ratmen, killer of beastmen, hater of Elves, wanderer of the Old World, Warrior of the Battles of Malis(the world that was), Settler of Grudges, hero and guardian of the Karaz Ankor. Merry Christmas 2024 and Happy New Year 2025 everyone. May the Ancestor Gods watch over you. And may Durin the deathless and Aule be with you in life and beyond.
Snow Whites a Fairytale. Neither Snow White or The Dwarves who aren't human beings mind you. Are not gonna have complex backstories. That's a waste of time when you're trying to tell a fairytale. An actual stories, yes. Characters have backstories.
You haven't even seen it.. Rachel got herself into trouble, AND without the OG snow white, animation as we know it would be different. And being latino in this role isn't a great choice even if just for her attitude on half the country.. I think your taking this film to seriously.. and they dropped the seven dwarfs from the title. Everything is too woke, and Disney is evil.... You obviously haven't listened to the masses, at least not a lot.... I don't see ppl as little, or whatever. But when you are casting for snow white... A Latino is definitely not what you think first. Same with the little mermaid, but mulan gets an actual Asian. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I feel like in this day and age, we are so paranoid of hurting people's feelings that it is honestly clouding the creativity of hollywood. There isn't anything wrong with casting little people! It's just a matter of writing and giving the characters personalities. Little people are still people and have personalities like anybody of average height, so I don't understand this song and dance of changing the dwarves to CGI for the sake of this film ._. Another thing, I personally find it odd to make Snow White latina because I don't think changing the race of an established character really solves or necessarily helps representation?? We have had so many depictions of these old stories, why is changing their skin color a way of "updating" or "progressing" these stories? We don't need that! And it honestly is creating, what I see, as a weird double standard? Because snow white was originally white, it's now kinda bad? And needs an update? Imagine if they didn't make mulan Chinese, or if Princess and the Frog got a live action remake and they made Tiana white. What then? There would be outrage. Yet changing white characters is fine. That doesn't change anything for the better, it's going into this odd double standard territory that being white legit doesn't matter l? Also, I personally don't like Rachel Zegler as Snow White because she does not give Snow White in general🥲 I have watched all the interviews she has been in and I cannot shake off her attitude. It's like she feels SO important and feels SO highly of herself in a lowkey arrogant way and it honestly grosses me out😅. Like she doesn't even like the original story yet accepted this job. I really don't like that so many celebrities complain about representation and yet acts like they are doing something GROUND breaking when it really isn't that overly important for what they're doing? And also what attitude they have going into it? I personally don't even have a problem with the CGI. I genuinely don't care XD I care more about who is representing this film and Rachel Zegler just isn't it for me. She comes off as a fake nice girl, and I feel like a lot of us can say we are just sick of this false kindness in the media. Im all over the place, there is just a lot to say about this film coming out that I'm getting all muddled and flustered.
To know why representation makes a difference, it helps a lot to be familiar atleast a bit with the history of racism in America. You say they shouldn't change the race of an "established character"; *every* protoganist or somewhat positive/likeable character in movies started as white. For decades there was no such thing as a leading man or leading lady that wasn't white. So of course any older character is going to have been "established" as white, because racism meant that they weren't allowed to be portrayed as anything else! So if we can hopefully move beyond that racist idea, movies can then reflect a bit more of real life; that is, people of all races can be the heroes, the protagonists, the main characters of stories. We already have an endless amount of stories with white main characters, so when a NEW movie is made, why wouldn't we sometimes put in people of other races? Why would we want to stick to the racist ideals of decades past and only allow white characters to be in the spotlight? That makes no sense.
@@colinthemarinesI see this point 100%. My problem is that I would rather see more original stories. I feel like rehashing stories that already exist kinda cancels out inclusivity for me in a weird way. I just don't find it creative or progressive at all to change stories that already have had multiple retellings, ya know? I certainly want more representation! But in this way? I just find it odd because nothing new is really being brought to Hollywood and the amount of talent that is out there.
@ Oh I definitely prefer fresh, original storylines too! Like Aubrey mentioned Mirror Mirror in the video, which is based on the story of Snow White but has a really fresh fun take on it, and adds new backstories for the little people characters. I think Disney is focused on making $$ a lot of the time these days, they end up doing sequels and rehashing old storylines rather than letting creativity take the lead. So I don't think this Snow White will be a very good movie at all lol, but I think that will be due to the writing, story decisions and lack of creativity, nothing to do with the main character's race.
@ i definitely agree with that! And I am actually planning to watch Mirror Mirror because of this video too :) I feel like that is what our day and age now lacks for some reason. Somehow it is harder to bring characters to life? It's really sad. I just hope Hollywood will stop focusing on what social media really has to say and make actual changes to entertainment! There is so much fresh talent and points of view that creating new stories should be considered through new eyes, ya know?
Yo i saw what h3 was saying about you, as a big former fan im very disappointed in how he is acting and going after you was a new low, you were extremely reasonable and cool the whole time big ups
@chris_sssss lmao, I've been a fan for 8+ years and have seen 90% of the episodes, you are the one who believes what they want, find the context you are actively ignoring and tell me what Ethan said was fair to Aubrey
“Live action”… and then over half of the CRUCIAL CAST is all cgi. It’s literally not that hard to just write good characters and then cast little people to play the roles. There are SO MANY hopeful actors who would have done amazing.
“Live action”… and then over half of the CRUCIAL CAST is all cgi. It’s literally not that hard to just write good characters and then cast little people to play the roles. There are SO MANY hopeful actors who would have done amazing.
"Live action" Lion King is ALL CGI so to them it is "live enough???".
As an animation fan, it feels real bad. The "Live Action" animation somehow seems to intentionally avoid the magic of animation, when it absolutely doesn't have to.
Just go look at the old Narnia CG and compare it to the Lion King CG movies. Aslan just looks so much more compelling and spirited.
@@SailorMyathe lion king is a worse example cause real animals would have been able to emote more then what they did.
It's just to save money and "avoid controversy" by shutting people out. Like when they used the MeToo movement to shut down criticism of removing Mulan's male love interest because he thought she was a man when they first met. Actually a lot of this BS was shown in Mulan: we'll remove singing and talking dragons because it's a "realistic" movie, but add a WITCH WHO TURNS INTO BIRDS (and like Chinese-Canadian youtuber Xiran pointed out, that's a WESTERN WITCH so they made their realistic movie less culturally appropriate too!). Disney will avoid casting little people as much as possible because that would make it harder to silence the community.
@@calamitysangfroid2407 the witch in the live action Mulan was written so badly too. why are her powers so inconsistent? she claims she can end the life of the enemy leader with a single flick of a finger (paraphrase, don't remember the exact dialogue) but somehow has to sacrifice herself by flying into the path of the arrow aimed at Mulan, like gurl, you dion't have enough magic to just conjure a small gust of wind to blow that damn arrow off course? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
it's really annoying that one single man's opinions were treated as the monolithic opinions of The Dwarfism Community instead of what they are - one man's opinions
I feel like Disney chose the absolute worst route to go with the 7 dwarves and I'm just not surprised 💀
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I just wish they hired actual little people to play them, it’s a missed opportunity to showcase unknown actors.
Not having them all be men could have been interesting too
SPEAK ON IT!!!!
It's almost as if...women and nonbinary people exist....
Would have been kind of interesting for them to have been family living in the forest. Not 7 siblings living in the forest, but an actual family with 2 parents and 5 kids. Maybe they adopted some or all of the kids, idk. Either way, there being a mother in the house would totally explain why they all let a teenage girl live with them. At least it would be a better explanation than what was given in the original Disney cartoon, which can basically be summed up as, "it's impossible for men to know how to cook and clean even though they've been living by themselves for decades".
They could have been trans, too. It's not like people with dwarfism can't be trans. Or we can have an enby dwarf, too. Like, Sleepy, Happy, Dopey, Enby, Sneezy.... I mean there's SEVEN of them so we could have everyone really represented in that little demographic.
yeah they did that but the public wast having that 7 magical creatures nonsense.
Your mentioning of older media featuring little people made me realise that, as a kid growing up in the 80's/90's, TV and movies were _full_ of little people. Granted, the representation wasn't always great, but there were plenty of high profile appearances in cinema (Billy Barty, Kenny Baker, Warwick Davis, etc.), whereas nowadays it feels like it's just Peter Dinklage who is able to get work despite films like Mirror Mirror showcasing talented actors.
You know who I loved so much was Phil Fondacaro in Troll especially, he was such a lovely character and even though the troll itself was yet another yes, creature makeup deal, he got to act without all that as just a man, and a very sweet and kind guy who really stood out in that film. I actually really like that film a lot, it's very fun.
I haven't thought of that but it really does feel like Peter Dinklage can singlehandedly cover all the little people roles Hollywood has to offer. I think that the more the CGI evolved, that less little people roles there were.
@@pajasmekal5643 It's kind of a sad indictment that IMDBs "Top 30 Little People" list of actors has, basically, 3 categories:
- Retired
- Dead
- Peter Dinklage
A found family action adventure tv series of the seven dwarves would have been so fun 😭😭 there’s just so much space to play and so many fun things they could have explored!
This could have been so good!
RIGHT!!! IT WOULD'VE BEEN SO EPIC. They could've turned it into it's own franchise and gotten an epic fantasy/action adventure show out of it. I see so much potential in a project like that.
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I think they already tried years ago giving the dwarves their own show. It was a cartoon based on the Disney Snow White Dwarves called The 7D bit only had two seasons and wad more of a wacky shenanigans type of show cause that was popular on every kid's network to do for some reason in the 2010s just make a bunch of a wakcy comedies or the handful with a story and lore attached. But if it was something with lore and a story like Tangle, Star Vs., Gravity Fall, ect, still be silly but have a story and depth forming it would have lasted more than two seaons
They give the same vibes as the furniture in the Beauty and The Beast remake. Uncanny imitations of childhood magic.
Thank you for clarifying Dinklage's comments. So many people have spun it into him wanting to erase these roles but he mainly has a problem with how shallow and one dimensional they are. There are things you can criticise Peter Dinklage on but this is not one of them!
Well, you can still criticize him, because those 7 characters AREN'T shallow or one dimensional in the original. He was speaking from a place of ignorance about the original 1937 film.
@@thareelhelloagainexactly. Honestly I think people ignore the fact that they gave 7 characters individually in the 1930s just cause they didn't give them enough.
I mean, can you name one individual piece of film media BEFORE that with as many characters that are each distinct? The fact that the dwarves aren't interchangeable clones of each other WAS GROUNDBREAKING. Youre taking a major change in the concept of visual storytelling and complaining just to find an excuse to complain.
I mean in Wish they tried doing the EXACT SAME CONCEPT, with the friends being based on the dwarves, but they dont come off anywhere as strongly.
The Dwarves weren't 1 dimensional in the film. They were designed that way to appeal to the child audience but also be fun in general. They were never meant to be super complex because the story of Snow White itself is simple. The point of the movie was to showcase that animation is a legit storytelling method with the ANIMATION AND MUSIC itself being the showcase.
On top of that, the dwarves leave more character in what small bits they do due to them writers knowing how to use theirr gimicks to express who they are. We got a lot of character from Doc and Grumpy being moral rivals due to how they bicker about how things are ran, considering that Grumpy challenge Doc who is SUPPOSED to be the leader of the group.
@@battybuddy That's because the friends from Wish made no sense in general and were only constantly highlighted as references to the Dwarves AFTER THE FACT due to how their was no character to them and no one gave a shit. They were TERRIBLE characters and just showed how the writers of Wish not only didn't get the dwarves or the general feeling of a lot of the original classic Disney movies, thiss remake doing the exact same.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid I quite like the 7 friends from Wish, actually. I mean, Dahlia for one has a LOT of character, and is very active within the plot in assisting Asha over and over.
Just bringing this up because I'm not sure anyone else has. The dwarves in Snow White aren't little people they're DWARVES, magical beings, basically a type of fairy. They aren't disabled people, heck they technically aren't human. One could argue that little people shouldn't play them because they aren't the same thing. No one (to my knowledge) complained when the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movies cast non-disabled actors as the dwarves and remember Snow White and the Seven Dwarves was one of the inspirations for Tolkien's dwarves, that's why they're miners, so why are people treating the Snow White dwarves as little people when they didn't with the LotR dwarves?
All that being said Disney SHOULD have cast little person actors or hell even non-disabled actors and I think the only reason they didn't is because they can pay voice actor less. One of the richest companies in the world and they're cutting corners.
Yes, I was looking for this comment. The cartoon did give the dwarves proportions which would be best brought to life with little people in the roles, I think, but they are not humans. That's part of why they're just miners with no explanation.
The fact that people blamed Dinklage is so crazy to me bc like. Also he's just right.
They’re just projecting their own ableism towards little people in Hollywood onto him. They got triggered at the idea there could be a future where “dwarfs” weren’t solely used as comedy, or fantasy creatures, and got upset. “How dare he want better roles!”
Well, he said that the seven dwarves live in a cave. They don't, he made that up or maybe didn't know the actual movie. The dwarves are fine roles and that's what not only the original movie but also the fairytale is about. If there are no 7 dwarves, it's not snow white.
@@fartcannon-wg5ol sounds like you're struggling to see the vision of a future in Hollywood where little people can play roles other than Snow White's seven roommates. Way to prove the man's point.
the problem is Dinklage confusing Dwarfism with mythological Germanic dwarfs.
@@purefoldnz3070it’s usually the way. People want to self soothe their own prejudicial guilt. The only way to not feel like a ‘bad person’ is to make the world change. It’s wild the routes people will go to not acknowledge their own shortcomings.
I totally agree with you, if Disney expanded on their characters, like in mirror mirror, it would show such positive representation, (which is probably what they think they’re doing with the cgi) on how resourceful, badass and creative they are!! Keep up the good work, the video was amazing.
I'd love to see a gritty dark fantasy tale about the 7 dwarves meeting and surviving in the world, making cool inventions to solve problems etc.
Yeah, or a movie from their pov
I think that casting a latina as Snow White merits criticisms about the colour of *character's* skin. In the book, the fact that she is pale is seen as a mark of her great beauty. Latinas (and African-Americans, and Indian and South East Asian women, and probably a lot of other people) have been pressured to have pale skins to the point of using bleaching cream. And comparing pictures of Zegler in real life to her in the trailer for the movie, it's clear that the makeup department made a look a lot paler than she is. So that's not appropriate representation.
They could have kept her complexion and explained that "White" was her last name. Or just not explained it at all. So yeah, the problem is not that the actress is Latina, the problem is that doesn't get to look like herself in the movie.
Kinda reminds me of Rita Moreno being forced into brown face as a Latina to “look more Puerto Rican” in west side story (where all the other Puerto Rican characters were played by spicy white (Greek etc) actors also in brown face), when she is, in fact, born and raised boricua and happens to present primarily European descent.
She mentioned in an interview she tried to protest it and point out boricuas are all skin colors, but it was the 60s so it didn’t get far.
Bit of a reverse example, but I think the common thread is that Latinas are forced to fit a mold of what they should/shouldnt look like in Hollywood, rather than just present as they are
@@Joyride37i also feel like with both Rachel and Halle in their respective remakes were fed to the wolves. They knew the casting was going to be controversial and they’ve done nothing to mitigate the harm caused to these actors and just let the damage become irreparable. I think it paints a good picture on how Disney doesn’t cast with the intent of diversifying these movies at all
@@Joyride37also I love Rita, I’m Puerto Rican so she means a lot to me. I actually got her barbie doll that was release recently of her dressed up in her Oscars dress and she brings so much joy to me 🥹
This also reminds me of how Disney treated its black and POC voice actors back in the day with movies like Jungle Book and Dumbo, casting black actors (which is great) but only ever as non-human characters and even literal stereotypical metaphors (jazzy dancing apes and jive-talking crows, respectively).
yeah the explaination for her name being Snow White now makes no sense. If she survived a snow storm then her name should be something like Tempest.
I was pretty confused about this whole Snow White situation, so it was very helpful to get your explanation and perspective. You are such an icon!
I don't understand why filmmakers will have a single consultant that they stand behind on matters of disability representation when they could have a small committee. Maybe it's a matter of money for some companies, but not Disney.
I highly recommend "Blancanieves" from 2012. Without giving spoilers, not only is unapologetic spanish reimagining of "Snow white" having a latino cast and story revolving around spanish culture, it also has the love aspect you were referring to. I would love to hear what you think about it.
I saw Time Bandits recently. It's about little people travelling through the universe stealing riches from the wealthy. Their characters were based on Monty Python and was directed by Terry Giliam. Good movie. Deserves more love. It was on youtube the last time I saw it.
Also Willow was fun.
Time Bandits is amazing. They removed the dwarfism angle when they adapted it for an AppleTV show (now cancelled)...
My girlfriend loves Snowwhite, literally her favorite Princess. Then we saw the cgi little people and immediately got the ick. Like? What? Just use real actors? Put us off entirely
16:02 Peter Dinklages character in Game of thrones has a really genuine relationship with a non-disabled and GORGEOUS woman that’s actually important to the plot. If you haven’t watched GoT and have ever wanted to it’s really good.
for real be aware of the content warnings though!
"Genuine" is a debatable term in the story, especially if you look at book canon. It's definitely not shallow though.
Literally had the chance to give disabled roles in movies but no
I doubt many people here have watched it because it’s technically a kids show, but The Worst Witch series on Netflix brought in an actress a few seasons in who had dwarfism- she just played another one of the magic students at the school without any plot revolving around her height or condition and it was SO refreshing to see. If they can cast a little person in a kids show without any fuss, why do they have so much trouble doing in other media???
People’s bigotry comes out lightning fast when you occupy a space they don’t feel you should be in/as soon as you inconvenience them in any fashion, no matter how small.
It isn't about feeling whether people should be there or not, but it's like would you cast a White person as Black Panther? That would be bonkers and just insulting. So Snow White because the character itself is literally described as having snow white skin (which IS possible in a fantasy made up movie where mirrors can talk because of magic) should technically yes, be played by a White person OR have a POC do whiteface to get the look right. It is literally in her name. We would NEVER in a million years expect any traditionally Black character to be played by a White person and we never should have ever done it in the past -- but that doesn't make it right to have this particular character be played by a POC specifically. It's not about "feelings" or being "inconvenienced", it is just about being true to the character as written. It was important enough for the author to actually make her skin color her name, so it's not right to just ignore that completely.
gaslighting alert.
They could have cast a little person as Snow White, imagine the story potential!
No.
@@fartcannon-wg5ol Yes
And she lives with seven abnormally tall people 😂
@@audreytwo Peet Montzingo and his mom
@@audreytwo I actually like this idea.
I think this is the first time my brain has linked little ppl and the dwarves. Like idk, in my brain they are magical creatures, like dragons or rumpelstiltskin (can’t spell) living in a fantasy location like Montana
Same. I was surprised when I looked up the history of the word "dwarf" and found that the magical creatures are actually named after little people, and not the other way around
for all the criticism rachel zegler got for saying she accepted the role because she needed a job.... with how this movie is looking it seems like that's the appropriate way to think of it tbh! it's not looking great but it sure is a job!
People who are mad at her for that act like they’ve never taken a shitty job just so they can get some money before. Just because acting is a glamorous job doesn’t mean it doesn’t suck a lot of the time
Oh please. She pouted that her life is hard having to wear the Snow White dress during the strike and she deserves more money for having to work in such difficult conditions.
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Yeah. She said wearing a dress is hard so pay me.
Your comment looks much less compelling now.
Congratulations on releasing your documentary it's very important since we rarely get the perspectives on the little people community from the little people community.
So many gems in this one. "Disabled people aren't props," needs to be on billboards or tattooed on peoples' foreheads until they *get it.* Thank you for your insight and continuing to fight for better representation! (Also, I love your videos, you're hilarious)
Why couldn't they be real people and magical??? CGI is so weird and uncanny
Also omg mirror mirror is so good, I always wondered what little people thought about it because as an average height person, I found them to be so charming and cool!! Written like people and not like props..
Growing up in the 80s, many of my favorite actors had dwarfism with one of my favorite shows being The Wizard with David Rappaport. He was the lead, considered a genius and went on crazy adventures. I would love to see this be rebooted and it's a shame this version of Snow White will likely fail as Disney just didn't bother to think beyond their main character. This was a great talk and it's good to hear from someone who actually has a stake in this conversation.
The orginal story just says theres 7 dwarves who live in a neat clean and tidy house in the woods and that they mine for ore in the mountians. Everything else about the dwarves is Disney invention. So theres no reason they cant change things to make things better by expanding on the roles and characters of the dwarves (I mean they already did it for the orginal).
As for Snow white and who plays her I dont really care. The problem is the pale skin is what drives the plot and conflict between the evil queen and snow white so skin colour does matter to a degree.
Brooo Mirror Mirror!
when I think about the movie I LITERALLY only can remember the seven guys and how they were so fun and their personalities and motives, I really loved them most out of the whole movie
disney chose the cheapest way they could do this movie and it shows from. everything about it. also this is my first vid of yours and your energy is awesome :) subbed
I very much enjoyed Cryano. I went to see it on a whim and got the soundtrack stuck in my head for months. It's a lovely film to watch for a breather between all the bombastic action and world ending stuff we'd been getting at the time.
You kno, it's really frustrating to see dwarf actors having no inclusion into acting recently in the entertainment industry. and love to preach about corporate diversity equity inclusion but not included dwarfism. Because they see there community as a less oppressed class of individuals over other marginalized protected communities. so instead, they decided to cut corners to exclude them and to CGI. focusing on one sided point of view of an actor. like Peter dinklage, over the dwarfism community. excluding them in culture, like what they did with Willy Wonka, and now Snow White. This will be the biggest flop in Disney history.
13:31 How is there negative connotations with dwarves in fantasy? I don't remember ever coming across anything negative about them
It depends how much these fantasies are based on Norse and Germanic mythology. Originally, dwarves could be good or evil. In the Middle Ages however, dwarves started to be portrait as little human like creatures with predominantly negative connotation. The "Heinzelmännchen" are also dwarves, but aren't any longer called so, because they are helpful creatures.
American filmmakers often get dwarves wrong, because they completely ignore their culture of origin. Everybody thinking that dwarves are little humans and them living underground is offensive, has already shown their utter ignorance.
Dwarves are spirits that live underground. They are shapeshifters, more skillful in crafts than humans and wiser. They are also the investors of art. The four dwarves that carry the sky are still known today: Norôry = North, Suôri = South, Austri = East, and Vestri = West
While it’s sad to think about the missed opportunity from Disney to cast real actors with dwarfism and give them their shine, it is great to learn about previous adaptations that have done it right!
I'm so happy i found your youtube cause i couldn't with tiktok anymore and i love your thoughtful, well researched, long form content.
"A very weird thing to get hung up on," as you put it, could be the summary of the current cultural discussion of this movie thst literally no one has seen.
I appreciate your perspective on this; subscribed!
I was thinking, maybe in my own take of Snow White, the 7 dwarves or people with Dwarfism could be part of a village, a community of various people with the same condition, or same fantasy race, whatever the crew of little people I'd work with would want. There could be a few families and the 7 are just the 6 who strongly befriend Snow White. They've been kicked out of the kingdom, and make a living by trading with travelers, perhaps with rare gems they find in the mine.
I'd probably have them be experts on dealing with some fantasy beasts like dragons or what not-- but Snow White can come in and handle the beast with peace and singing as well. The way they deal with the fantasy beasts can also tie into them killing the evil queen later after she poisons Snow White.
There's a village elder, a mom type character, maybe doc is the local doctor or whatever. The 7 can be whatever race, could play into the story, but maybe the kingdom has had travelers from around the world for generations, or that's just how things are. The prince character could've even been from the village, and that's why he trusted to help her out. They met once before while he was traveling into the city to trade, and kicked it off.
Could extract from the main personalities of the 7 from the original film and expand on those, or might make new characters. I do like Dopey and Grumpy, but the others are kind of... whatever. You can also have other fantasy creatures in that village, but the 7 are little people, or dwarves. Whichever the actors like. Could be a mix. Though I guess if it were a mix the fantasy dwarves could have elf ears and magic. I don't know.
An engineering person could be cool as part of the group. Making like a water wheel thing, stuff to take character local pests, and whatever else, really. They could be insecure about it, wanting to be seen, and all that.
Could also have one of the people dealing with being queer in this fantasy world along with the disability.
Two years ago at a Fan Expo, Martin Klebba confirmed that he is playing Grumpy in the movie, after rumours have been circulating for a while. Since then, the only mention I can see of him being in the movie was Klebba again confirming he's in the movie at Motor City Comic Con last summer.
Looking at IMDb he is only listed as being a technical advistor (which could be related to motion and performance capture) but it is important to note that IMDb is not an offifical source of casting information. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how this news seems to be kinda forgotten in the conversation surrounding the movie both by Disney and everyone else.
4:44 --- No, its not weird. Their are miners. They work in a mine, and then return home. You can ask questions about why they are mining (to gather ore and raw gems, probably to sell them) and why they are living together. Why do they live in the woods and not a village? Because thats where the mine is located and because the infrastructure for a villiage wasnt established or would be too cumbersom for elderly to traverse. Remember, its the medieval-time'ish that we're talking about, building a villiage from scratch, in the middle of the woods, no fields, no water ways... isnt happening. I would guess, from the original setting, that the dwarves lived in that house temporarily for work, and returned home to their families every couple months. This is guesswork, of course, I might have studied history but I'm no expert on the Brothers Grimm.
5:12 --- You are correct: cast the best person for the role. Period. However, lets be honest here: if it was the story of a black princess in Africa and the studio would cast a white acress (because she was simply the best) ... we both know the world itself would explode. People have a certain picture in their mind regarding certain stories and roles; "Snow White" is a centuries-old story and people have preconceptions, thats natural. On one hand I believe the allout rejection of Zegler on basis of her ethnicity is childish; let me give an example: Orlando Bloom's first major role was Legolas, a white, blond, blue-eyed elf. And Bloom looks very different normally being latin American (I think). However, nobody cared. In the movie, he wore a wig and colored lenses, and post-production lighting as well as make-up made him look paler. Nobody cared. - But Disney didnt do this with Zegler: they made it a point to not make her look like what the audience would expect. Which makes me think (personal opinion) that Disney takes the skin-question much more serious than we might think. Otherwise, they would've done what Peter Jackson did with his Legolas-cast.
9:31 --- Hmmm... my impression was, from what I heard and from this longer quote, that Dinklage flamed not Disney as much he did his own community. It showed me on one hand his limited knowledge about the tale (they were miners and worked in caves, but lived in a house - which was actually tidy in the Grimm's original, I looked it up) as well as, as it seemed to me, disdain to having Dwarf roles. You are correct, of course: in many Hollywood productions, disabled people are usually props and not real characters. However... Dinklage didnt seem to really know himself. After all, we dont know what the movie might look like. I fear Dinklege jumped to conclusions there which prompted the negative reception.
17:36 --- I liked "Mirror, Mirror". A completely new version of the tale, and one that did it right, with a twist and loads of humor. Though, when I think of dwarfism, I usually think of the movie "Willow" (the original, mind). Whats your opinion about that one? I'm curious. The dwarves there might not be humans with disabled bodies, but a "race" in that fantasy universe, but still... You cant say, they werent real characters.
I think the sole problem was (in my opinion, of course), and this is leaning into your suspition with the branding from the beginning, that Disney didnt think of the Dwarves as characters. They focused solely on the story of Snow White, how she would become a leader, how she would defeat the Evil Queen, all on her own because (and yes, I'm leaning into the controversy here) they made Show White a "girl boss", who solves her problems on her own and doesnt need help, not from the dwarves, not from a prince. You see it in the trailer, where she commands the dwarves around to clean up their own house. I can see very, very well why that advisor from the dwarfism community told Disney to use CGI: she was right! This depiction of dwarves isnt was that community deserves, it isnt what the movie and we, the audience, deserve. And (in my opinion) it only proves that Disney took the easy way out: ignoring these characters existed and just used them as props. Which isnt what people wanted and hoped for. I think, every fan of the story would've loved if the dwarves would've been treated like real characters, with all the background you mentioned, which they deserve.
Omggg I didn’t even know you had a yt!! I’m so happy to see you on this platform!
I follow you on TikTok and I randomly came across this channel, I didn’t know you had a UA-cam channel!
I took a break but started posting in the last couple days! I feel so lucky UA-cam is sharing it to people 🥰 Happy to have you here !
I want to see real dwarfs!! Not because i think it's a circus or something weird, but I want to see little people working in a role that is made for little people!! I first became aware of little people working in acting was watching the making of the original star wars movie. There were dwarves in all the droids and ewoks! As a kid a had no idea, now i want to see dwarves where the role is perfect, why not.
As POC, queer and neurodivergent, Dinklage's comments just made sense and echoes what I hear in those communities. So many big companies, especially Disney, loves marketing their progressive representation while being prejudiced towards other groups, and when those groups say, for example, "wait a minute, why does your cis gay male character make transphobic jokes?" they make it look like those people are whiny and hate representation. It's those things that show the companies aren't sincere at all. If you want to represent all people, then people of colour and little people are obviously equal. BOTH groups were treated as exotic spectacles in the past. Even by Disney itself.
You have to understand - None of these companies are sincere. Not the progressives nor the conservative. It's always, always, always a marketing ploy.
It's about making money. And if they have to pretend to care about the things you care about to get you to open your wallet, that's what they do. Once it stops working, they'll switch to a new thing and get money from those folks.
I love that UA-cam can expose us to the communities whose opinions matter on a given topic. I definitely was curious about this perspective.
Great video. I always try to hear perspectives from groups affected by stuff I read about. Shut up and listen before commenting on things I'm not qualified to speak on, etc.
And Little Person rep seems like a special kettle of fish. I've known a few folks when I was growing up and the nuance to situations can be really tough, as public understanding is shifting so fast.
But engaging with videos is good, so here I am commenting lol
Thanks so much for this video, really appreciate hearing your perspective and completely agree that there should be more representation of people with dwarfism in general.
There's no Equivacacy between People with Dwarfism and Dwarfs in modern fantasy.
Its absolutely positively undeniably stupid.
Dwarves in Modern Fantasy and Folklore are actually just as capable and more so because they went from Fae Creatures to a Nordic Coded Race of Craftsman and Badass Warriors.
Yes!!! I would watch the fuck out of a series centered on the seven dwarves! We don't want or need another snow white. We wanna see some creativity and imagination from Disney. The live action movies that included that were the ones that had the most success. Wake up Disney.
Look up The 7D.
That’s really disheartening that they’re CGI… There’s so many talented little people that you’ve highlighted in your videos and on your instagram that could’ve easily been hired to play the roles.
In the 80s there were more options for roles for little people. Remember " Willow" ? Warwick Davis got his first role in " Star Wars: The Return of the Jedi ". " Legend " had plenty roles.
Yeah with the skin tone thing, her beauty is explicitly tied to how light skinned show white is. While I understand the desire to lean away from that aspect, this is another instance of taking a story that is inherently tied to old european values and beauty standards and trying to make it "progressive" and "feminist" without addressing the issues inherent in the original text. The original text is about a young girl that is abused by her parent for being too hot. Her attractiveness is presented as a virtue, right along with her sweetness and submissiveness and ability to do household labor. Her mother is a stereotype of older women and is shown in direct contrast to the youth and motherly characteristics of snow white.
She is punished for being too naive (the whole plot for her stepmom to kill her, not just once but several times with multiple gifts culminating in the apple), but in the end was too beautiful and sweet for the narrative to really kill her and thus is "rewarded" with a man who presumably will take her away to have his kids and keep his house. THIS IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE STORY AT ALL.
Every subsequent adaptation builds upon and makes the story more palatable for modern audiences, as is normal. But yeah, not ever addressing the issues in the source material and just glossing over it rubs me the wrong way honestly. The people working on the film, including actors and writers, may sincerely care about messaging and inclusiveness but the company who ultimately gives marching orders will happily throw them and all their values under the bus if they see that being the path to more profit. This is the underlying problem with pretty much every Disney "live action" remakes, in my opinion.
Your first comment about her skin color equalling virtue made me picture a film in which Snow White is named such when she's born prematurely and perhaps is very sick, and when she gets well, her color begins to return. If the Queen is her mother or stepmother, perhaps the fact that her daughter isn't this paragon of ignorant beauty standards anymore, yet she is still loved and seen as the fairest of all, could be part of the catalyst for the Queen's jealousy and murder scheme. That would be an interesting and far more relevant approach to the story than just making Snow White a girlboss and pretending the paleness issue never existed.
@@psychotophatcat I agree, I think addressing how to address the colorism in the source material is beyond my scope of expertise but I do think that if you want to tell a story where the protagonist is a POC and simply exists in the world without discrimination, snow white is an odd choice for that. I love the 1997 adaptation of roger and hammerstien's cinderella. Not sure how POC communities view it, but I think that there is a place for bringing racial diversity to traditionally white characters without a narrative explanation, but snow white makes it awkward because the name itself denotes colorism.
Its not a progressive story. It's a good story.
The former prevents the latter to exist.
Progressive isn't good. People need to wake up to it. It's a lie. It's a change to truth to fit into the lie.
What an insightful video! Thank you for taking the time to make this, I think many people would highly benefit from not just this video, but your channel as a whole.
Thank you for your perspective and insight. Loved the video!
Why does nobody ever mention Time Bandits? That movie was fun and fantastic. Dwarf was never even in the title. And if I remember, the bandits were never referred to as dwarves or even small of stature. They were all amazing and were cast perfectly. When I first started hearing about this whole Snow White controversy, I hoped that Disney would have hired the Time Bandits veterans and things would work out stellar. I can just picture "Kevin" as Dopey. Alas, they are all too old now or passed on.
Fairy Tale Theater has a lot of great episodes that I still encourage everyone to check out. Unfortunately, it also has some that aged incredibly poorly. Mick Jagger in The Nightingale comes to mind.
I’m so grateful to be able to observe joy and perseverance in every from :) hello insightful side of UA-cam!
I think I get why conservatives jumped on hating snow white; they saw more left leaning people giving it flack for its treatment of little people and tried to 'Yes and all this bigoted stuff I want to say' us. They really like to pretend that the left and right agree on xyz when we really don't.
Correct. We don't agree. You voted for a President and a VP who want to go to nuclear war.
We voted for the man whose against war. And his record shows it. As does Putin who will make deals to stop war with Trump.
You voted for a woman who says Trump's a NAZI because he cares for America.
You voted for supporting the only NAZI army on the planet by giving Ukraine money and weapons. And you are good with that. America is hit with a hurricane and you demand we give weapons to Ukranian NAZIs. Not to help our citizens. You are fine with FEMA skipping Trump homes to give them support because you are equitable.
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The only part you got right is we don't agree.
There can be no argument about this. Good entertainment done write with proper promotion usually doesn't flop. Or in this case, implode. Nuf said, people have spoken
Love your history, opinions and advocacy. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for your kind words!
For me, its the comments that Zegler made about the first movie that got me bent out of shape.
For the seven dwarfs in the movie, I would have liked to seen a setup where it was an old timy minding village and we get to see the wives.
Snow white's getting upped to about 20.
I often say good things come out of Disney despite Disney.
It really is the artists and creators in the company that are pushing their global reach to tell meaningful stories. When left its own devices, Disney is a multi billion dollar monop- corporation that will go in whatever direction it thinks will lead its investors the greatest return, which is often the worst thing for art. It’s bad enough when it’s just art, but when that art is tied to real people, it becomes so much worse.
I would love to see more media with little people! I grew up loving Davis and Dinklage is a funny guy! But until corporations stop worrying about exponential profits and start caring about art again, it’s up to small time creators to make the things we want to see, and up to the rest of us to help share it
Here I am, bringing some algorithm food. 📽️ 🍕🌮🥤
Gal Greenstein is her real name btw. She changed it to sound less European despite being a European woman 👌🏼 there’s TOO MUCH wrong with this movie I have no clue why they’re even trying. Screw up after screw up.
I mean she's not a European woman, she's Ashkenazim and was born and raised in Israel (free Palestine)
That being said, she's surprisingly pale, her foundation was horribly matched to her skin tone at the Golden Globes last night like omg her face was like two shades darker than her body
00:33 - What's wrong with non-disabled people voicing their opinions about this issue? Little people are voicing their opinion and this isn't about them, either. The 7 dwarves in Snow White are an actual fantasy race, unto themselves, not little people. The 7 dwarves aren't human beings with a condition that makes them develop the way they are, it's an entire race of people that are ALL exactly like that because that is how the race is. Just like no one is talking about Orlando Bloom playing and elf in LotR and taking away jobs from real elves. And Peter Dinklage is no spokesperson, because he's already cashed in on every role he could snag to make his millions.
I think it's more that the discussion is about whether it is offensive to people with dwarfism, not whether it is a good artistic decision. People with no knowledge (such as myself, admittedly) seem to be speaking for those with dwarfism. I was glad to hear the perspective in this video! A rare YT algo win.
Eh, for most characters, the colour of their skin really doesn't matter, but come one. This is snow white. Have you read the fairy tail? Her skin is supposed to be as white as snow. That's where her name comes from. So not only should they have casted a white person, they should have casted the palest white person they could find.
I wouldn't have cared about the remake either way, but it still shows how little these people respect the source material.
Honestly it's mistake to even make these fairy tale movies in the first place. A fairy Tale is way too short to faithfully adapt anyway, so why bother.
It did initially feel wrong to see little people be reduced to playing dwarves who are defined by a singular trait. I liked your perspective and perhaps it all comes down to the material. Little people can exist in a fantasy world but their characters must be written well. I imagine there is a lack of little people working behind this movie. It sounds like there was a lot of consultation but are any of the writers of the film little people? I feel like the animated Disney movie is antiquated and a reimagining could be interesting but their live action remakes have been so dull. Likely this new movie will be a paint by numbers of the old movie with one song about women empowerment.
I follow you on TikTok and you popped up on my feed. Rare YT algorithm slay
When we and Peter Dicklage got upset about the Dwarfs we did not know if there was going to be Dwarfs in the movie or not or who was going to play the Dwarfs. 9:43
So so glad I found your channel I agree with your analysis 100%❤ I would also love to direct your attention to the 2012 black abd white silent film from Spain Blancanieves. I think you would find it very interesting. Also I'm kind of dying to know if Smalls is your actual last name😅
You seem quite smart, I'm surprised in this hyper specific case, that you can't see any criticism of Snow Whites skin as valid.
In this particular case, where the character is named after her skin (the reason they shouldn't be making the film in 2024, Grimm's grandmother's tales were collected to "prove the superiority of the Germanic spirit").
Zegler seems lovely, and the US doesn't hire enough people of colour in their films (or represent their cultural diversity at all) but can you really not see how weird this particular case is?
What mic is that if you don't mind me asking
Gonna make this shorter: You said she could be a POC because it's a magical world, but she couldn't have "snow white" skin because it's not a magical ENOUGH world? You aren't making sense with this argument. If it's a magical world, of course she can have literally snow white skin, as she is described in the original story. She is literally named Snow White because of her snow white skin.
hello! I want to ask some clarification:
if I get this right your suggestion is simply making magical dwarfs into fleshed out characters instead of one word personalities and fixing empty bg stories ect. would work?
if this is correct then I can definitely understand it, because otherwise the answer to any question about a character would be "because: dwarf"
otherwise I would assume it didn't really help because "the origin is still there" and causes discomfort
it's turning the caricature into a good character like any other takes the discomfort away, right? (like to you, ofcours, you don't speak for everyone I know)
just wanting to make sure I get it right, because I cannot fully wrap my head around how much magical dwarfs have impacted little people
but I understand, from my own experiences, that if a character gets to be actually a character... the traces of the caricature can be hard to ignore
but I always fear the worst knowing how terrible bullying gets so I wanted to be sure I got your rewriting suggestions correct ^_^
i remember hearing about the controversy and just... not hearing anything else on the snow white movie production for a while x,U i honestly didnt realize it hadnt come out yet. i agree extremely with the fact that fleshing out the characters and exploring their circumstances to a realistic extent would ground them so much, and disney turning away from that to keep them as a Magical Creature depiction to i assume "not break the magic" of the original film/its legacy was just a bad choice (after disney constantly making these types of bad choices for their films imo). it just feels so weird for them to continue pretending that "oh they arent little people, theyre magical dwarves! cartoony things! no semblance to real life people!" >_>
like im so not surprised by disney doing something like this (they will always do as much as possible to avoid trans or gay characters in their series and i could rant on and on about that as well), but am so glad u made this video because im really interested in the other productions of snow white that Do pick up the slack and give these characters And the actors portraying them a decent story and respect!
Why do you think the MAGICAL DWARVES in the original snow white are little people and aren't good representations of little people... when they aren't little people? Just like the dwarves in LOTR are not little people. That's why the live action normal people version of the dwarves were called magical creatures.
I won't watch it anyway since I'm boycotting Disney. Doing it since 2021.
This video needs more viewssss
This video’s too good to only have 45 views
Yas Aubrey 💅 it’s nice to see u again. I last checked you out in 2021. 🍵 when Katrina watched ur vids on stream 🤓
As much as I hate how Game of Thrones ended, Peter Dinklage does really stand out as the best actor in the show. After watching this video and hearing a little about how you think, I think you might enjoy it.
Just don't watch past season 6...
@Aubrey Smalls: I respect your opinion on this, but mine is different.
I hate everything about it. Mostly because they mutilate existing movies that people have loved for many years instead of making a NEW story and a NEW movie, so they then could make it whatever way they wanted, with whomever they liked, no problem at all. But no... of course not...
They're like lazy vultures picking clean the bones of earlier beloved and successful movies! :(
I have autism and their no actors that have autism and they have used a guy to play someone with autism and he is not autistic.
Well, damned if you and damned if you don't.
If they had real Dwarfs in the movie they'd be scorned.
If they had CGI they'd be scorned.
If they had people who aren't Dwarfs they'd be scorned.
Here are my thoughts on the new Snow White film; they are as follows….
After watching the trailer, reading the comments section, and when the film finally releases…
Me after watching the trailer…
*”Every* wrong is recorded. Every slight against us… Page after page, etched in blood… Peter Dinklage, Modern Audience, Walt and Ron Disney, Bluth, *Zegler.*
The wokies must pay… Let. Them. Come.
There will be *no* alliance while *I’m* High King, *only* …a Reckoning!
March on, Brave Dawi. March On! To the cursed realms of Bluesky, this fettered realm, we go.
Expect vengeance, a great wrong has befallen our kin. Innocent Clan Dwarfs butchered by -Didn’t Earn Its- DEIs. Attacking ethnic groups, stealing acting roles from Dwarfs, and destroying our children’s innocence. This fell deed has been entered into the Dammaz Kron, the cover slammed shut. -Thronebearers- Commenters… Ready replies. Consumers… ready wallets. For Karaz Ankor!”
-Thorgrim Grudgebearer, High King of the Dwarfs, Lord of the Karaz Ankor, Ruler of Karaz a-Karak, and keeper of the Dammaz Kron(Great Book of Grudges)
Me seeing the comment section…
“At last, enough of this larking about, lads. It is time to arm ourselves, to act like slayers, and bring hurt feelings to the Woke! And especially those sniveling lefties! I wish to cleanse myself in battle. And once I have cleaned my soul of the subterfuge, then I will wear the honorable Cloak of Fyrskar again!
There is no time for speeches, the Woke cult gather before that Theme park. Their evil masters in the middle of some Valaya cursed ritual to the Leftist Gods. I see before me -the vampire- Zegler canting its’ filthy Umgi tweets. I want you to bring me the tears of the craven things, destroy the Woke filth before us, it will be a joy to spill the tears of the Wokemen before us. The Wokelord is a stain upon this world. You, consumers, I hear your wails and howls to be past this. For Grimnir, let us bring them no victory, let us bring Disney destitution!
Now, My Throng! …Ready the shield walls, bring the oath stones, let us dreng all before us! Charge for the oaths you made in Karak Kadrin, Charge for the honor all of Kadrin, Charge for your King, Charge for the Slayer Crown, Charge for Karaz Ankor, Charge! When the job is done, I will crack open a barrel of Bugmans ale and we will drink till none can stand!
Are you with me, Lads!?
-Ungrim Ironfist, lord of Slayers, king of Karak Kadrin, the Slayer King, Head of the Slayer Cult, killer of dragons, orks, elves, beasts, ratmen, undead, humans, mutants, and daemons… and (second) best/worst Dawi Slayer ever to exist.
Me when the film releases…
“At LAST! Our goddess has spoken to me. She who prepares the hearth, who secured our holds.
You know who I am… and I see you scum.
For I am a White Dwarf, and only a worthy folk can appear in *my* pages. This is a day to strike many grudges from the Great Book. So let us accord great deeds this day and give these wokie scum a right Royal Hammering!
By my beard…! -Thaggoraki(Ratmen)- Disney filth… -Urki- woke scum…
I would have words with you, Zegler! You *KNOW* Who I Am…Dinklage! Get Out of that CEO chair and get over here, Iger. By Vlaya’s cloak, I’ll have each and every one of you wokies back at Bluesky, Posting your meltdowns! Let’s Have Em! For Karaz Ankor!
•Grombrindol; the White Dwarf, -(Probably) Former High King and Elf friend Snorri Whitebeard- mysterious dwarf spirit, Chosen of Valaya, bane of Thaggoraki(Skaven) aka Ratmen, killer of beastmen, hater of Elves, wanderer of the Old World, Warrior of the Battles of Malis(the world that was), Settler of Grudges, hero and guardian of the Karaz Ankor.
Merry Christmas 2024 and Happy New Year 2025 everyone. May the Ancestor Gods watch over you. And may Durin the deathless and Aule be with you in life and beyond.
Snow Whites a Fairytale.
Neither Snow White or The Dwarves who aren't human beings mind you.
Are not gonna have complex backstories.
That's a waste of time when you're trying to tell a fairytale.
An actual stories, yes. Characters have backstories.
You haven't even seen it.. Rachel got herself into trouble, AND without the OG snow white, animation as we know it would be different. And being latino in this role isn't a great choice even if just for her attitude on half the country.. I think your taking this film to seriously.. and they dropped the seven dwarfs from the title. Everything is too woke, and Disney is evil.... You obviously haven't listened to the masses, at least not a lot.... I don't see ppl as little, or whatever. But when you are casting for snow white... A Latino is definitely not what you think first. Same with the little mermaid, but mulan gets an actual Asian. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I feel like in this day and age, we are so paranoid of hurting people's feelings that it is honestly clouding the creativity of hollywood. There isn't anything wrong with casting little people! It's just a matter of writing and giving the characters personalities. Little people are still people and have personalities like anybody of average height, so I don't understand this song and dance of changing the dwarves to CGI for the sake of this film ._. Another thing, I personally find it odd to make Snow White latina because I don't think changing the race of an established character really solves or necessarily helps representation?? We have had so many depictions of these old stories, why is changing their skin color a way of "updating" or "progressing" these stories? We don't need that! And it honestly is creating, what I see, as a weird double standard? Because snow white was originally white, it's now kinda bad? And needs an update? Imagine if they didn't make mulan Chinese, or if Princess and the Frog got a live action remake and they made Tiana white. What then? There would be outrage. Yet changing white characters is fine. That doesn't change anything for the better, it's going into this odd double standard territory that being white legit doesn't matter l?
Also, I personally don't like Rachel Zegler as Snow White because she does not give Snow White in general🥲 I have watched all the interviews she has been in and I cannot shake off her attitude. It's like she feels SO important and feels SO highly of herself in a lowkey arrogant way and it honestly grosses me out😅. Like she doesn't even like the original story yet accepted this job. I really don't like that so many celebrities complain about representation and yet acts like they are doing something GROUND breaking when it really isn't that overly important for what they're doing? And also what attitude they have going into it? I personally don't even have a problem with the CGI. I genuinely don't care XD I care more about who is representing this film and Rachel Zegler just isn't it for me. She comes off as a fake nice girl, and I feel like a lot of us can say we are just sick of this false kindness in the media. Im all over the place, there is just a lot to say about this film coming out that I'm getting all muddled and flustered.
To know why representation makes a difference, it helps a lot to be familiar atleast a bit with the history of racism in America. You say they shouldn't change the race of an "established character"; *every* protoganist or somewhat positive/likeable character in movies started as white. For decades there was no such thing as a leading man or leading lady that wasn't white.
So of course any older character is going to have been "established" as white, because racism meant that they weren't allowed to be portrayed as anything else!
So if we can hopefully move beyond that racist idea, movies can then reflect a bit more of real life; that is, people of all races can be the heroes, the protagonists, the main characters of stories.
We already have an endless amount of stories with white main characters, so when a NEW movie is made, why wouldn't we sometimes put in people of other races? Why would we want to stick to the racist ideals of decades past and only allow white characters to be in the spotlight? That makes no sense.
@@colinthemarinesI see this point 100%. My problem is that I would rather see more original stories. I feel like rehashing stories that already exist kinda cancels out inclusivity for me in a weird way. I just don't find it creative or progressive at all to change stories that already have had multiple retellings, ya know? I certainly want more representation! But in this way? I just find it odd because nothing new is really being brought to Hollywood and the amount of talent that is out there.
@ Oh I definitely prefer fresh, original storylines too! Like Aubrey mentioned Mirror Mirror in the video, which is based on the story of Snow White but has a really fresh fun take on it, and adds new backstories for the little people characters. I think Disney is focused on making $$ a lot of the time these days, they end up doing sequels and rehashing old storylines rather than letting creativity take the lead.
So I don't think this Snow White will be a very good movie at all lol, but I think that will be due to the writing, story decisions and lack of creativity, nothing to do with the main character's race.
@ i definitely agree with that! And I am actually planning to watch Mirror Mirror because of this video too :) I feel like that is what our day and age now lacks for some reason. Somehow it is harder to bring characters to life? It's really sad. I just hope Hollywood will stop focusing on what social media really has to say and make actual changes to entertainment! There is so much fresh talent and points of view that creating new stories should be considered through new eyes, ya know?
Yo i saw what h3 was saying about you, as a big former fan im very disappointed in how he is acting and going after you was a new low, you were extremely reasonable and cool the whole time big ups
Tell me you're not watching the h3 live and believing what you want with out telling me... 😂
@chris_sssss lmao, I've been a fan for 8+ years and have seen 90% of the episodes, you are the one who believes what they want, find the context you are actively ignoring and tell me what Ethan said was fair to Aubrey
Commenting in the beginning. My channel jsut reached 5k and I will bow to you sir when yours outgrows mine. Well deserved! Thank you for this ❤
Between the dwarfs and the skin color issue this remake seems more trouble than it's worth. Why even bother?
Money. That’s all these live action remakes are about
Pretty convenient you start making vids again after making a hit peace and getting drama clicks
"convenient that you'd keep talking after a lot of people clicked to hear you talking" ... yeah?
“Live action”… and then over half of the CRUCIAL CAST is all cgi. It’s literally not that hard to just write good characters and then cast little people to play the roles. There are SO MANY hopeful actors who would have done amazing.