On a 500, this can be done by lust loosening the rail with the toolhead at one end, then there's enough range of movement to add the second carriage on the other end. I removed my extra carriage this way. On smaller machines, I think this won't be possible, but I don't know.
Bro wtf if you got to the point where you want to upgrade the printer that means you got it running in the first place, so adding another head won't really be that hard 🤦
Tengo una IDEX hace unos 3 años, una Sovol SV04. La vengo usando de todas las maneras y es increíble. No necesito de super velocidades, imprimo mis geometrías (muy complejas) con Grasshopper+Rhinoceros, va fenomenal.y no es cara. En un futuro, cuando pueda pagar, me compro una IDEX RatRig :) La Sovol va con Marlin, en la comunidad mundial de la impresora no hay nadie que la tenga haciendo de todo (y bien) con Kñipper. Saludos desde Barcelona, un día me compro una Rat Rig IDEX.
So if I'm ordering a completely new printer, and I click the "customize and add to cart" everything check is what I need to have a complete basic printer right? I don't need what is not check by default right? Like I don't need the "1 x Bed Plate - Cast tolling plate" or the "1 x RASBERY PI"? So to get it with IDEX I would need to check "...HYBRID Upgrade Kit", and all 4 items in the IDEX section?
You do. I do understand that the ordering process is a bit confusing. For the Vcore4 the only thing that is selected by default is the mecanical kit (extrusions, linear rails, etc). You have to check every item you need for the 3d printer separately. You need to select the extruder, hotend, motors, and so on. As a rule of thumb, just check everything, and go from there. You can unselect some parts, because you may have them already at home (I already had fans and the Z motors, so i did not order them) To own a ratrig is pretty involved. I would NOT recommend it as a first printer.
That stopper to prevent the nozzle from leaking is genius. So simple and then you don't have to go through all of the extra steps to purge the nozzle before continuing. Probably speeds up the process a ton. I can see basically every MM system stealing this idea (assuming it's not patented).
Kommt drauf an was du bestellt hast. Komplette Kit mit Hybrid? Dann brauchst du die oben genannten Komponenten. Hast du ohne Hybrid bestellt, benötigst du auch das Hybrid Update. Was hast du dir denn genau bestellt?
any chance you guys will make a video on how to use each idex setting? a bit confused on the setup for copy. reason is I am using 2 different PLA's from different manufactures. Not sure if copy function is best for this scenario
Looks awesome! What brand are the linnear rails? If not Hiwin, it might be a good option to add it as a customizable option. I will not buy otherwise..
On the product page for the IDEX upgrade, there is a BOM to show what each "package" includes. It is stuff like the Orbiter, Hotend, Toolboard, Stepper Driver, etc. AFAIK RatRig strongly reccomends to have identical hotends and extruders.
@@Vaynexx_ Yes, there is a BOM, but without knowledge what the contents of each hardware pack is I can't tell if I need the CAN toolboard from the second option or if it's included in the IDEX Hardware Pack v1.0. I've ordered just the IDEX Upgrade Kit v1.0 (Hybrid to IDEX), but I'm not certain this is enough. Can anyone confirm ?
@@ilovetechnology8436 AFAIK the toolboard and other toolhead electronics (extruder, hotend, fan, etc) is not includet in the 130€ Idex upgrade kit. For a full second toolhead you pay about 400€ i think. You have to get the hardware kit, the electonics etc
This video is totally misleading. I have assembled a complete V4 IDEX and the VAOC and End Stop calibration is still not working after two solid weeks of trying. Many of the instructions for the build were just flat out wrong. Even the software programmers that wrote the RatOS say that the instructions for these calibrations are wrong and buggy. This video is an example of selling something that is not ready for the public. Only buy if you know everything about Klipper and how all of the mechanics and software work, this is not a plug and play machine.
Hi! You need Hybrid to have IDEX, but you don't need IDEX to have Hybrid. The kit you're asking for doesn't exist! :) Can you let me know what did you find confusing / unclear in specific? Happy to look into it!
@@ilovetechnology8436 you need all of the packages on the list unless you can source any of the materials/parts yourself. The biggest cost is hotend/nozzle so it bumps the price up a fair bit.
@@ilovetechnology8436 If you have the basic VCore4 (only 2 xy Motors), then you need the Hybrid kit, asewell as the IDEX kit. The hybrid kit is kind of a stepping stone to get up to the IDEX. I ordered the IDEX yesterday, and as a standard VCore 4 owner, I got everything except the Printed parts which I will have to print myself. When I opened the product page the first time I thought "Ohh wow, only 130€! thats cheap!".... Yea... I ended up spending 500€
They are really completely different machines tho. XL is a tool changer and that is a loy slower then ratos quick swap is. Pluses and minuses to both but once they figure out MMC iDex it will be kinda game changing, more or less instant material changes. This is what I've been trying to get my tridex to do with ERCFs but I'm too dumb. I don't think multi zone heating is needed on a < 500mm build plate. The zones would be so small and the chonky bed would soak up the heat so fast it would run 100% none stop.
@@JH-zo5gk you have to separate the bed too with a little space between. This allows for expansion and keeps the bed flat. Large beds when heated want to warp. Also, why heat the entire bed when you are only printing on a small area. The additional power cost is large and unnecessary.
@@T313COmun1s7 if you're using a big printer just to use a small section of the bed for small prints, you're better off just buying a smaller printer with less moving mass, therefore faster. Multiple heating areas in big, enclosed printers like the Prusa XL and the Voron Phoenix are cool gimnicks, that's all.
@T313COmun1s7 the power cost? Eh. The few extra pennies spent are not really a factor once you $2500 into a printer. Besides we use the bed to heat the chamber by blow fans on it and I think most people are printing materials other then pla and petg on these so a heated chamber makes things much more better. Idk to each their own. I got this cause I like to tinker and wanted a large powerful machine. Also my 400mm build plate starts with a 0.07mm mesh at room temp and flattens to 0.06mm at 75c so warping isn't a issue with a well-made precision plate.
Im not going to lie... Looks like ill be cancelling my pre-order this week. I was the most excited ive ever been for something but i just saw its going to cost almost $500 shipped for what equates to just a second toolhead assembly (pre-order was for a hybrid) is steaight up greed. For $500 i can buy an entire second printer from someone else. Im really bummed to see the pricing. Im even more bummed to have this excitement squashed, but i just refuse to support greed and bloated pricing.
Where is the shipping to and what is the weight, is it the whole printer? You should know this is increasingly common especially with international shipping or large items. I’ve had to ship things items via freight and occasionally the shipping costs more than the item itself
They are not only charging for the hardware and assembly, but to cover for all the R&D needed to get to this point. They must have run their numbers and ended up happy with this value. Either they don't expect to sell as much as it cost to develop or they want to make up for it as fast as possible as anyone can come up with a better alternative anytime. But it is true that for this price you can almost buy two whole Bambu A1's or one P1S. They cannot be compared as they are in two complete different leagues. RatRig is a small company of 25 employees that generates less than 5M USD and Bambu's revenue was 1.5B in 2023
This beacon it uses is light years ahead of tap. This only uses that button to measure the offset between tool 0 and tool 1. Still uses beacon/contact beacon to measure bed level as far as I know. I'll let you know for sure in a week or 2.
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Drop in.. how you drop in second linear rail carriage without dismounting x axis 😂
On a 500, this can be done by lust loosening the rail with the toolhead at one end, then there's enough range of movement to add the second carriage on the other end. I removed my extra carriage this way. On smaller machines, I think this won't be possible, but I don't know.
I want to see that video.
If you vibrate at the right frequency you can phase your way through
They showed you! Just hold the second hotend up to it and jump cut!
Bro wtf if you got to the point where you want to upgrade the printer that means you got it running in the first place, so adding another head won't really be that hard 🤦
Tengo una IDEX hace unos 3 años, una Sovol SV04. La vengo usando de todas las maneras y es increíble. No necesito de super velocidades, imprimo mis geometrías (muy complejas) con Grasshopper+Rhinoceros, va fenomenal.y no es cara. En un futuro, cuando pueda pagar, me compro una IDEX RatRig :)
La Sovol va con Marlin, en la comunidad mundial de la impresora no hay nadie que la tenga haciendo de todo (y bien) con Kñipper.
Saludos desde Barcelona, un día me compro una Rat Rig IDEX.
When you release the multicolor upgrade can you install it on both toolheads? ore by 2 and when one reloades the other one prints?
Would like to know that too
That's a feature they want to include. Seen some Beta stuff on Discord. Mind-blowing
Miklschmidt confirmed this will be possible on Reddit.
@@nanobot5365 ua-cam.com/video/GIbDeTqhpl8/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Beautiful. Nice work with the HW and SW. Great edit and color grade 👌
So if I'm ordering a completely new printer, and I click the "customize and add to cart" everything check is what I need to have a complete basic printer right? I don't need what is not check by default right? Like I don't need the "1 x Bed Plate - Cast tolling plate" or the "1 x RASBERY PI"?
So to get it with IDEX I would need to check "...HYBRID Upgrade Kit", and all 4 items in the IDEX section?
You do.
I do understand that the ordering process is a bit confusing.
For the Vcore4 the only thing that is selected by default is the mecanical kit (extrusions, linear rails, etc). You have to check every item you need for the 3d printer separately.
You need to select the extruder, hotend, motors, and so on.
As a rule of thumb, just check everything, and go from there. You can unselect some parts, because you may have them already at home (I already had fans and the Z motors, so i did not order them)
To own a ratrig is pretty involved. I would NOT recommend it as a first printer.
@@Vaynexx_ Seems like they changed it, now pretty much everything is checked by default except for alternative options and the upgrades.
@@SaHaRaSquad ohh ok
Pretty dope. Do you guys sell fully assembled as well?
That stopper to prevent the nozzle from leaking is genius. So simple and then you don't have to go through all of the extra steps to purge the nozzle before continuing. Probably speeds up the process a ton. I can see basically every MM system stealing this idea (assuming it's not patented).
This isnt novel to this printer. Tridex wipers and ooz gaurds have been a thing for a while. Think the svo8 has then too even.
@@JH-zo5gk That's interesting, thanks!
@@JH-zo5gk my flashforge creator pro 2 from i think 10 years ago also has these
dude the idea to block the oozing nozzle is really old 😅
@@OmegaCreationsChannel Well it's new to me.
Absolut komplizierte Beschreibungen bei euch !
Man sieht nicht genau was man brauch und was Upgrade ist !
Hybrid to IDEX Upgrade
Electronics Add-ons Bundle
IDEX Upgrade Kit Printed parts bundle (ABS)
Würde ich behaupten
@@elpoepel0815 und was genau ist das ?
Kommt drauf an was du bestellt hast.
Komplette Kit mit Hybrid? Dann brauchst du die oben genannten Komponenten.
Hast du ohne Hybrid bestellt, benötigst du auch das Hybrid Update.
Was hast du dir denn genau bestellt?
Ja, stimmt! Der Bestellprozess ist auch absolut undursichtig. Ich habe meine Bestellung verwerfen müssen, da ich nichts mehr ändern konnte.
@@Erbsensuppe22 Of course you can change stuff. When you get the payment request, just email back with your changes.
Beautiful video. The best one yet from RR. Looking good Miguel. You should appear in more videos bro ❤
Thanks bro 😂❤
any chance you guys will make a video on how to use each idex setting? a bit confused on the setup for copy. reason is I am using 2 different PLA's from different manufactures. Not sure if copy function is best for this scenario
I’m too poor to buy one, but one day it will be mine
Where can I get the kit for my existing machine? There is only a option in the configurator.
Check your email. If you got a vcore4 you got a email with the link.
Don't you start chanting "The power of one, the power of two, the power of many." :)
Ordered Mine Already Yesterday. Cann't wait to receive it :)
@@MarcoBakker-1965 how? Where's the link.
Looks awesome! What brand are the linnear rails? If not Hiwin, it might be a good option to add it as a customizable option. I will not buy otherwise..
Wait…wasn’t there a promise of announcing IDEX winners for this video?
Where is the Idex upgrade kit for existing VC4-Hybrid owners?
An extra toolhead, tool board and you can use the same belts. Printed parts and that’s it.
@@HMAlotaibi77 plus the VAOC camera.. And I do think you need new belts from my understanding.
@@danomara4196 not really. U can use the same belts on the hybrid. I didn’t replace mine. Just had to cut them shorter 😉
Check your email
Email checked. No Idex upgrade for existing owners yet.
Is there a hybrid to idex upgrade kit available? I don't see it on the website
Yes, I've already ordered mine. It should be on the website now.
Is there a way for the extruder that is parked to do a filament change so it can print in more than 2 colors?
Is, or will be, compatible with V-core 3.1?
If i want IDEX on the Vcore 4, do I need the Electronics bundle too? I do not think I have much I could use from my own parts
On the product page for the IDEX upgrade, there is a BOM to show what each "package" includes. It is stuff like the Orbiter, Hotend, Toolboard, Stepper Driver, etc. AFAIK RatRig strongly reccomends to have identical hotends and extruders.
@@Vaynexx_ Yes, there is a BOM, but without knowledge what the contents of each hardware pack is I can't tell if I need the CAN toolboard from the second option or if it's included in the IDEX Hardware Pack v1.0. I've ordered just the IDEX Upgrade Kit v1.0 (Hybrid to IDEX), but I'm not certain this is enough. Can anyone confirm ?
@@ilovetechnology8436 AFAIK the toolboard and other toolhead electronics (extruder, hotend, fan, etc) is not includet in the 130€ Idex upgrade kit.
For a full second toolhead you pay about 400€ i think. You have to get the hardware kit, the electonics etc
This video is totally misleading. I have assembled a complete V4 IDEX and the VAOC and End Stop calibration is still not working after two solid weeks of trying. Many of the instructions for the build were just flat out wrong. Even the software programmers that wrote the RatOS say that the instructions for these calibrations are wrong and buggy. This video is an example of selling something that is not ready for the public. Only buy if you know everything about Klipper and how all of the mechanics and software work, this is not a plug and play machine.
Love it!
🤟
Take my money! 🤯👍🏻
possible to order 600mm cube?
Nope, 300, 400 or 500. Have a look on their website.
I know but asking if "special" request possible.@@etienne_dupre
Der benchi sieht aber nicht sauber aus 😢?!
looking at the layer height I'd say that's a speed benchy
Guck dir den Benchy am Ende an
I can't figure out how to purchase just the Idex to the Hybrid kit. There does not seem to be that kit as purchase
Hi! You need Hybrid to have IDEX, but you don't need IDEX to have Hybrid. The kit you're asking for doesn't exist! :) Can you let me know what did you find confusing / unclear in specific? Happy to look into it!
@@ratrighardware I would like to order Idex also, but do I need to order the 3 packages or is the top one (€130) enough ?
@@ilovetechnology8436 you need all of the packages on the list unless you can source any of the materials/parts yourself. The biggest cost is hotend/nozzle so it bumps the price up a fair bit.
@@ilovetechnology8436 If you have the basic VCore4 (only 2 xy Motors), then you need the Hybrid kit, asewell as the IDEX kit. The hybrid kit is kind of a stepping stone to get up to the IDEX.
I ordered the IDEX yesterday, and as a standard VCore 4 owner, I got everything except the Printed parts which I will have to print myself.
When I opened the product page the first time I thought "Ohh wow, only 130€! thats cheap!".... Yea... I ended up spending 500€
@@ratrighardware They probably meant hybrid to idex as you do not have a listing for the kits other than when ordering with a new printer
I want one!
Now just upgrade the build plate so it has multiple heating zones and I will spend my nights dreaming about this instead of a Prusa XL.
They are really completely different machines tho. XL is a tool changer and that is a loy slower then ratos quick swap is. Pluses and minuses to both but once they figure out MMC iDex it will be kinda game changing, more or less instant material changes. This is what I've been trying to get my tridex to do with ERCFs but I'm too dumb. I don't think multi zone heating is needed on a < 500mm build plate. The zones would be so small and the chonky bed would soak up the heat so fast it would run 100% none stop.
@@JH-zo5gk you have to separate the bed too with a little space between. This allows for expansion and keeps the bed flat. Large beds when heated want to warp. Also, why heat the entire bed when you are only printing on a small area. The additional power cost is large and unnecessary.
@@T313COmun1s7 if you're using a big printer just to use a small section of the bed for small prints, you're better off just buying a smaller printer with less moving mass, therefore faster. Multiple heating areas in big, enclosed printers like the Prusa XL and the Voron Phoenix are cool gimnicks, that's all.
@@T313COmun1s7and i speak with experience having built all the Voron models, a Vcore 3 and lots of other printers since 2015.
@T313COmun1s7 the power cost? Eh. The few extra pennies spent are not really a factor once you $2500 into a printer. Besides we use the bed to heat the chamber by blow fans on it and I think most people are printing materials other then pla and petg on these so a heated chamber makes things much more better. Idk to each their own. I got this cause I like to tinker and wanted a large powerful machine. Also my 400mm build plate starts with a 0.07mm mesh at room temp and flattens to 0.06mm at 75c so warping isn't a issue with a well-made precision plate.
Drop in.... Pics or it didn't happen :D
Im not going to lie... Looks like ill be cancelling my pre-order this week. I was the most excited ive ever been for something but i just saw its going to cost almost $500 shipped for what equates to just a second toolhead assembly (pre-order was for a hybrid) is steaight up greed. For $500 i can buy an entire second printer from someone else. Im really bummed to see the pricing. Im even more bummed to have this excitement squashed, but i just refuse to support greed and bloated pricing.
Where is the shipping to and what is the weight, is it the whole printer? You should know this is increasingly common especially with international shipping or large items. I’ve had to ship things items via freight and occasionally the shipping costs more than the item itself
Wait for a local distributor to stock it, and the shipping should be much less.
They are not only charging for the hardware and assembly, but to cover for all the R&D needed to get to this point.
They must have run their numbers and ended up happy with this value. Either they don't expect to sell as much as it cost to develop or they want to make up for it as fast as possible as anyone can come up with a better alternative anytime.
But it is true that for this price you can almost buy two whole Bambu A1's or one P1S.
They cannot be compared as they are in two complete different leagues. RatRig is a small company of 25 employees that generates less than 5M USD and Bambu's revenue was 1.5B in 2023
@@fns58ratrig is also a premium brand compared to bambu
It is not "Now Available"
It is to those who have in production orders
Holy goopy toolchanges
I will never go back to a endstop for z-offset after using tap…
This beacon it uses is light years ahead of tap. This only uses that button to measure the offset between tool 0 and tool 1. Still uses beacon/contact beacon to measure bed level as far as I know. I'll let you know for sure in a week or 2.
Yes it uses beacon contact!
Its great. Ive never calibrated my z offset