Thanks for the Video! Keep sharing new ones please. Nice to see the other instructors in front of the camera as well.. Shoutout to my instructors, Brent, Al, Tom, Alan, Komar and the rest of the Team O’Neil! Keep up the great work helping flame the rally fire for the rally enthusiasts worldwide!
makes me appreciate the double pump release. But either is better than neither and my current DD has an electric ebrake that doesnt work for locking up any tires.
@@georgekurgansky5986 the electric brake? Yeah, I also tried it doing the Scani Flick, no dice. At least not in a Fusion. Feels like it's activating on the front brakes, but it releases so fast the tires never lock up.
You can,,,drill a hole in the handbrake, and put a nail through it. Then you just pull it on when you need it, and then just let go of it, as the release button is held down by the nail.
What causes a car to roll sideways end-over-end when trying to handbrake turn? I remember Mythbusters learning to teeter-toter cars on wheels (one side in the air, the otherin contact with the ground), and the beginning went exactly like it's described here. What would be the difference? Locking all four tires, palming the wheel?
Thanks for the video; looks like fun. For my edification, this isn't recommended for AWDs like the WRX that don't disconnect the rear axle when the have brake is pulled, correct? And clutching in isn't really going to help matters either, right?
clutching will allow you to lock faster, (and be less likely to stall), but either way it's fine to handbrake turn in AWDs, just know your center diff isn't going to thank you.
Where is the driver who always made the videos. I wish he was back. Don't misunderstand, that was a very well explained video from this Team O'Neil driver. Thank you for that.
You would still straight line brake initially, then pull your handbrake and start the process once you are going about the right speed. A handbrake turn will scrub speed but straight line braking is a much more efficient way of slowing the car down initially.
It is a custom roll cage we built in house as we still need useable back seats in our cars for our training purposes. It does have roof and side bars but is not an ARA or FIA approved cage.
do you do modifications on your car for performing handbrake turns? I tried that several times on my stock fiesta and now the handbrake handle is getting really loose, sometimes even wiggle up and down while I'm driving. I asked a mechanic about this he said there might be some problem about the brake pump of the whole braking system but I'm not sure if that's the case.
Our handbrakes are stock aside from some Hawk brake pads but the handbrake cable can stretch overtime causing symptoms similar to what you are experiencing.
My old cars handbrakes are worn and may lock only one wheel or not at all. This destroys my confidence. How do you tighten your handbrakes? I suppose it's under the handbrake boot but how do you adjust bias if one wheel is locking? One car has the drum inside the disc. The shoes don't seem worn. Do new cars use the hydraulic system to squeeze the pads?
I am puzzled that we hardly saw the full vehicle managing the curve time after time. The 60 miles/hours demontration being the most memorable missed opportunity to SEE how successful the turn was. The exterior view being always more important that the inside of the vehicle Oh well...
as a rule of thumb with FWD cars - Throttle makes you go straight, brakes make you rotate (especially handbrake), so when you do your handbrake turn, use no throttle, but if you're going to spin out (or you screw up and release the handbrake button and its stuck all the way on etc), then add throttle to straighten the car out, but watch out as you might snap back the opposite direction (accidental scandi flick/pendulum) also the thing about "Throttle makes you straight, brakes make you rotate" is sort of true for all drivetrains, but only if you don't add enough power to slide the rear, since if you're oversteering under braking in a RWD, you could technically add a little throttle (after releasing brakes), and as long as you don't light up the rear, it will weight transfer to the back, stopping oversteer. And brakes work the same in all drivetrains (almost), so the braking -> rotation part stays true as well.
I have not seen this yet, but I bet my friends could learn from this, because even though I know how to pretty much do anything with a working handbrake, I am a bad teacher.
I have no idea. But I guess you could brave it in neutral lol.. I think to save parts you are better off rotating by weight transfer. After all that's more speed! As long as no power is applied the diffs should just do their job unloaded. More pedal more wear. Car on tarmac will jolt violently once rears get traction and all opposite lock will fling you off the road if you have no run off or you didn't prepare. Try on grass or gravel first so that tyres are always slipping and speeds are lower. Car will resist locking wheels up if you apply power and parts will get hot. Measure the diff temperatures under different loads, then you can get an idea of the threshold. If the diff goes higher than highest normal use temp you can place your bets more accurately then. Smoothness of operation is key to part internals not smashing into eachother. Video says, clutch in so.. pull the handbrake smoothly to let the drive shafts slow more gently before locking up. Same with the clutch so that drive shafts fatigue slower.
You need to tag it under “relationship advice”
Every car guy knows a well executed handbrake turn is the key to a woman’s heart
top gear reference
@@aliya2978 no sir. That’s a life reference. If your dads dad loved cars it’s likely you heard that way before top gear :)
are there even tags, nowadays?
@@jaycreds106 "TWANG!"
Thanks for the Video! Keep sharing new ones please.
Nice to see the other instructors in front of the camera as well..
Shoutout to my instructors,
Brent, Al, Tom, Alan, Komar and the rest of the Team O’Neil!
Keep up the great work helping flame the rally fire for the rally enthusiasts worldwide!
Great info. Thank you Team O'Neal!
Anyone can handbrake turn. What takes skill is using the pedal-parking break while holding the release with your left hand 😆
makes me appreciate the double pump release. But either is better than neither and my current DD has an electric ebrake that doesnt work for locking up any tires.
@@rallywagon261 try it while also braking... Yum
@@georgekurgansky5986 the electric brake? Yeah, I also tried it doing the Scani Flick, no dice. At least not in a Fusion. Feels like it's activating on the front brakes, but it releases so fast the tires never lock up.
You can,,,drill a hole in the handbrake, and put a nail through it.
Then you just pull it on when you need it, and then just let go of it, as the release button is held down by the nail.
Excellent demonstration!
Nice and simple. I like it. 👍
What causes a car to roll sideways end-over-end when trying to handbrake turn? I remember Mythbusters learning to teeter-toter cars on wheels (one side in the air, the otherin contact with the ground), and the beginning went exactly like it's described here. What would be the difference? Locking all four tires, palming the wheel?
you guys have to do a proper rally game :) I bet it will be fanstatic
Thanks for the video; looks like fun. For my edification, this isn't recommended for AWDs like the WRX that don't disconnect the rear axle when the have brake is pulled, correct? And clutching in isn't really going to help matters either, right?
In awd you just turn press the clutch and handbrake
clutching will allow you to lock faster, (and be less likely to stall), but either way it's fine to handbrake turn in AWDs, just know your center diff isn't going to thank you.
The GRyaris apparently disconnects the rear wheels when you pull the handbrake
Great video
Can you do that on a awd dsg car?
I kinda figured this out as soon as I bought my yaris but now there's video to properly do it
Where is the driver who always made the videos. I wish he was back. Don't misunderstand, that was a very well explained video from this Team O'Neil driver. Thank you for that.
He's on the Getaway Driver show hosting with Michelle Rodriguez so maybe that's it?
For the slow 180 degree turns. Do you still use the foot brake to slow down is it the handbrake only?
Brake first to a manageable speed
You would still straight line brake initially, then pull your handbrake and start the process once you are going about the right speed. A handbrake turn will scrub speed but straight line braking is a much more efficient way of slowing the car down initially.
Great video, is that just a half roll cage in the ST?
It is a custom roll cage we built in house as we still need useable back seats in our cars for our training purposes. It does have roof and side bars but is not an ARA or FIA approved cage.
@@Teamoneilrally this is great stuff, I think a lot of people likes the prep of cars just as much as the driving skills.
do you do modifications on your car for performing handbrake turns? I tried that several times on my stock fiesta and now the handbrake handle is getting really loose, sometimes even wiggle up and down while I'm driving. I asked a mechanic about this he said there might be some problem about the brake pump of the whole braking system but I'm not sure if that's the case.
Our handbrakes are stock aside from some Hawk brake pads but the handbrake cable can stretch overtime causing symptoms similar to what you are experiencing.
@@Teamoneilrally Is it also drum brakes on the rear of your fiestas?
@@johnbowie4869 Our STs like this one are discs in the rear but our naturally aspirated Fiestas have drums in the back.
wath kinder wheels does this have brand name model?
My old cars handbrakes are worn and may lock only one wheel or not at all.
This destroys my confidence.
How do you tighten your handbrakes?
I suppose it's under the handbrake boot but how do you adjust bias if one wheel is locking?
One car has the drum inside the disc. The shoes don't seem worn.
Do new cars use the hydraulic system to squeeze the pads?
very helpful. thank you!
I am puzzled that we hardly saw the full vehicle managing the curve time after time. The 60 miles/hours demontration being the most memorable missed opportunity to SEE how successful the turn was. The exterior view being always more important that the inside of the vehicle Oh well...
What do you do throttle-wise throughout?
as a rule of thumb with FWD cars - Throttle makes you go straight, brakes make you rotate (especially handbrake), so when you do your handbrake turn, use no throttle, but if you're going to spin out (or you screw up and release the handbrake button and its stuck all the way on etc), then add throttle to straighten the car out, but watch out as you might snap back the opposite direction (accidental scandi flick/pendulum)
also the thing about "Throttle makes you straight, brakes make you rotate" is sort of true for all drivetrains, but only if you don't add enough power to slide the rear, since if you're oversteering under braking in a RWD, you could technically add a little throttle (after releasing brakes), and as long as you don't light up the rear, it will weight transfer to the back, stopping oversteer. And brakes work the same in all drivetrains (almost), so the braking -> rotation part stays true as well.
I have not seen this yet, but I bet my friends could learn from this, because even though I know how to pretty much do anything with a working handbrake, I am a bad teacher.
How bad is this on the center diff of a GD WRX? Is there a technique to do it with minimal wear?
I guess it's ok on gravel but yeah it inevitably puts stress on your diff.
I'm pretty sure you can make your wrx fwd tho
I have no idea. But I guess you could brave it in neutral lol.. I think to save parts you are better off rotating by weight transfer. After all that's more speed! As long as no power is applied the diffs should just do their job unloaded. More pedal more wear. Car on tarmac will jolt violently once rears get traction and all opposite lock will fling you off the road if you have no run off or you didn't prepare. Try on grass or gravel first so that tyres are always slipping and speeds are lower. Car will resist locking wheels up if you apply power and parts will get hot. Measure the diff temperatures under different loads, then you can get an idea of the threshold. If the diff goes higher than highest normal use temp you can place your bets more accurately then. Smoothness of operation is key to part internals not smashing into eachother. Video says, clutch in so.. pull the handbrake smoothly to let the drive shafts slow more gently before locking up. Same with the clutch so that drive shafts fatigue slower.
If you pull the handbrake, and don’t turn, I’d be impressed
Lol at the BMx helmet
I hate to mention it but your helmet is not fastened!
BuT whAT ABouT I dO It wiTh MY MoDerN elECTriC haNdbRaKe?
You take your wallet out of your man-purse and you go buy an actual car😂