I like this mechanism for an instructional video: brief the sequence, demonstrate the sequence, brief the sequence, trainee runs it, debrief the attempt, brief, run, debrief, run, debrief...repeat until some proficiency is apparent, debrief, wait a day or two, return to the beginning.
I learned to do this in a parking lot behind a Meijer, during a snowstorm a few years ago. 😀 This maneuver is so important, Richard, Jeremy, and James named an entire episode of Grand Tour after it.
I was looking for this kind of explanations for at least 2 months and i finally found a video that explains all of it step by step. All i can say i wish you were my teacher, wait.. actually you are but im playing dirt rally and assetto! Amazing stuff ! Thanks! Edit: Any major changes in a RWD or AWD?
as long as you have a nervous system the pendulum flick should feel very natural with even a little practice. You just feel the weight shift of the car and shift it the other way (you will feel more force on the second flick into the turn)
With my subaru i use a different way. For example the corner is to the right: I turn the wheels left with a hard sharp pressing of the brake while at the same time letting off the gas. After oversteering i turn the wheels right and when start moving opposite but before got straight i push the throttle. I balance the possible oversteer to oversteer with throttle control and once it straightens out I continue as i want. Sometimes i do 2 moves starting from the direction of the corner i go. Right, left and right to the corner with combination of throttle, brakes and steering. It works every time. What do you think of this technique?
but are you faster at all? So much can go wrong. I think it was Loeb who was faster by avoiding all drifting except handbrake and some modified trail braking
Same thing. It is a matter of car setup/attributes, tires, road conditions etc. The initial turn into the opposite direction just amplifies what you could achieve with trail braking alone.
100% agree. Trail braking is good for most cornering imho. Auto diffs make it even better. My old STI would trailbrake wonderfully under power like a FWD and it turned in no matter what surface I was on.
The guy in the video said to add a bit of throttle to add stability and to prevent lock-up on brake. He said this during step 2 of braking right after the inital turn It also helps with oversteering the vehicle a bit more due to the rear wheels spinning less than the front
I don't understand the purpose of this technique? If the car can be set into oversteer so easily why go one way then the other. I always thought the purpose of the flick was to set in oversteer. If the car will oversteer simply by trail braking then why not simply trail brake into the turn? I thought the flick was for conditions where the car would understeer. That it's done to upset the rear going into the turn?
It’s completely fine to do but the concern is if you lose traction you won’t be in a gear to have power to the wheels to accelerate out of a slide. So on snowy or rainy days try to keep it in a gear. Or Scandinavian flick that car around like a mad man and show the instructor you don’t need lessons haha
I like this mechanism for an instructional video: brief the sequence, demonstrate the sequence, brief the sequence, trainee runs it, debrief the attempt, brief, run, debrief, run, debrief...repeat until some proficiency is apparent, debrief, wait a day or two, return to the beginning.
I learned to do this in a parking lot behind a Meijer, during a snowstorm a few years ago. 😀 This maneuver is so important, Richard, Jeremy, and James named an entire episode of Grand Tour after it.
a footcam would make this 10/10
I pulled one of these off in a dirt circle and it was so much fun
I was looking for this kind of explanations for at least 2 months and i finally found a video that explains all of it step by step. All i can say i wish you were my teacher, wait.. actually you are but im playing dirt rally and assetto! Amazing stuff ! Thanks!
Edit: Any major changes in a RWD or AWD?
Woot! Rally skills! No towing or recovery!
thanks
as long as you have a nervous system the pendulum flick should feel very natural with even a little practice. You just feel the weight shift of the car and shift it the other way (you will feel more force on the second flick into the turn)
Chris, didn't you scandi flick your old subaru into a tree in high school?
You know too much! I obviously need some training...If I knew how to properly pendulum swing I would have kept it out of the trees. - Chris
Really interesting
With my subaru i use a different way.
For example the corner is to the right:
I turn the wheels left with a hard sharp pressing of the brake while at the same time letting off the gas.
After oversteering i turn the wheels right and when start moving opposite but before got straight i push the throttle. I balance the possible oversteer to oversteer with throttle control and once it straightens out I continue as i want.
Sometimes i do 2 moves starting from the direction of the corner i go. Right, left and right to the corner with combination of throttle, brakes and steering.
It works every time.
What do you think of this technique?
but are you faster at all? So much can go wrong.
I think it was Loeb who was faster by avoiding all drifting except handbrake and some modified trail braking
Same thing. It is a matter of car setup/attributes, tires, road conditions etc.
The initial turn into the opposite direction just amplifies what you could achieve with trail braking alone.
100% agree. Trail braking is good for most cornering imho. Auto diffs make it even better. My old STI would trailbrake wonderfully under power like a FWD and it turned in no matter what surface I was on.
man i used to do this in GT4 without actually knowing what it was or using the brakes
2:53 I would get really nervous seeing a a cliff and trees a short distance beyond where I would be about to do this maneuver.
Never look at the tree!!!! Look where you want to go. If you look at the tree there you go
Is it possible to do this without left foot braking?
Yes, absolutely.
It is more fun than it seems to be!
Because Scandinavian flick is giving to much credit to it's origin?
Do you brake while right foot on throttle pressed?
It depends on the the vehicle type and road surface.
The guy in the video said to add a bit of throttle to add stability and to prevent lock-up on brake. He said this during step 2 of braking right after the inital turn
It also helps with oversteering the vehicle a bit more due to the rear wheels spinning less than the front
I don't understand the purpose of this technique? If the car can be set into oversteer so easily why go one way then the other. I always thought the purpose of the flick was to set in oversteer. If the car will oversteer simply by trail braking then why not simply trail brake into the turn? I thought the flick was for conditions where the car would understeer. That it's done to upset the rear going into the turn?
They're demonstrating on the snow for the guy learning. This is usually applied on gravel
It’s completely fine to do but the concern is if you lose traction you won’t be in a gear to have power to the wheels to accelerate out of a slide. So on snowy or rainy days try to keep it in a gear. Or Scandinavian flick that car around like a mad man and show the instructor you don’t need lessons haha