Something I always enjoy about Thorias, that I rarely see these days, is he doesn't "Hateboy" over things. He's fully willing to say that "As bad as it was, these things were still good.". "These actors are decent" "This scene worked well", etc. Honestly, the "I have to oppose EVERY aspect" types are just as bad, to me, as the "I have to defend EVERY aspect" fanboys. And it's really nice to have a fair, reasonable person weigh the pros and cons, while also having the backbone to say "And the end result of the weighing is that it's shit.".
Hey, I don't watch these things wanting to hate them. I'll give them credit when they deserve it. I think a review is harder for the haters to dismiss when you examine both sides.
Great comment and absolutely true. Hating for hate's sake (and the other end of the spectrum) is lame. Judge something on its merits, not based on other considerations.
@@SolProxy It's hard to find anything where NOTHING works, where there isn't One actor who was having fun with the role, or One idea that had some potential or W/E.
they literally said that they wanted to realise the movie while trump was still in office so it would still be relevant. smh. why can't these people just focus on making a good movie?
Nope because those in charge of the studios along with several directors, actors etc etc. Still wants to bash Trump at the expense of making a good movie and its audience. Ricky Gervais was right.
@@MegaMagicdog I will agree that Stump is a self-absorbed prick. But yes this Orange Man Bad stick is just getting old at this point. In fact it has gotten old during the second year of his term.
It’s crazy how they depict every man in the movie as a rapist yet the only one who ends up being one is Diana and yet they never address this at all. Talk about a double standard, I really wanted this movie to be good I enjoyed the first one a lot so many problems with this one what a shame.
I only remember 1 guy was depicted as a rapist. As far as I remember, Max, Steve, the homeless man, the other men, weren't. There were men who were hitting on Diana and such, but that doesn't make them rapists.
I pointed out how the man Steve was inhabiting could not consent to sex. I posted it on a movie news forum and it got removed. They do not want to hear it.
This is what I'm saying. All they knew for sure was that they wanted Steve back. They didn't give much thought to getting the hows and whys to make sense.
I mean they could have but what would have been the monkey paw's tradeoff? Im open to suggestions. Maybe they could have brought him back only for them to find out he has incurable Cancer that gives him 5 days to live or something but even that woulda posed problems of retreading ground we already covered in the first movie. This movie has us believing Barbara has been brooding and mourning Steve's passing circa 1918 in loneliness for 66 years where she could barely move on with her live socially (despite moving from London to D.C. and deciding to fight street crime in open public using her own in house surveillance system while also trying to keep a low cover.....rather poorly and in brighter outfit and more whimsical charm playing with her enemies in that mall scene. Thats a bit much lol. Whats more is did she entirely check out mentally and publicly during WW2, Korean and Vietnam war? We dont know but it seems so. I could see maybe her not wanting to get involved in the latter two wars since those were more isolated, but WW2? That was everywhere especially Europe where she was residing.
I'm not a Wonder Woman fan, but the lack of consent part got to me on such a deep level that I searched Steve's history throughout the comics. At one point after he died he is brought back in a body made of clay. This could have been used instead since Diana references to this being how her body was created. Just saying... 🙄
Best review: “wonder woman is a rapist” 😂😂😂 this movie was so bad in almost every level. It feels as soon as Jenkins called “this is a wrap” they released it. They forgot to edit it to see if it makes any sense. I think they found the script from 70’s and just made it
Also, AFAIK Wonder Wonder has never used her lasso that way (riding lighting bolts, especially). If you're going to break/ignore established canon to give WW powers she never had, you'd better at least do a good job of it.
It became obvious that they were obsessed with the lasso. It's cool, sure, but they seemed to want it to basically overshadow Diana at every turn. She became discount Spiderman by the end, and the lasso was like a long glowy snakey superman.
I dunno, Catwoman in Catwoman doesn't look a whole lot like Catwoman... But it's a bit harsh to say that Halle Berry looks *bad* as Catwoman, even if it's not really anywhere close to the source material.
This movie also proves that you should leave writing to the writers and directing to directors, the last 20 or so years almost anytime a director gets involved in making a script it sucks.
I decided not to watch it on principle. It was obvious from the trailers it was going full Gillette. I'm not about to go to a movie that's following the Ghostbusters2016,nu Star Wars,nu Star Trek, Dr Who,Solo,Charlie's Angels, Birds Of Prey,Terminator Dark Flop trend.
I have a co-worker who is a major superhero fanatic. She loves the vast majority of them, and spends ages on them. She was even forgiving of some of the star wars flops (Not supportive, just forgiving.) When I asked how WW84 was. I got a grumble, and a sigh. Even she couldn't find reason to enjoy it. "It was just bad." Was what I got.
30th person with a brain here. Even I never stooped to rape in my career as the world's greatest super villain. Maxwell Lord (who could've been the villain of multiple justice league films, whether as Max or as Lord Havok) was more wasted than an alcoholic playing GTA with a blindfold.
This story just felt cringey and all over the place, which is a real shame because I quite liked the concept of the story from the trailer. I’m left disappointed tbh.
It’s like they were angry that comic fans actually liked the first one and kept using it as an example of a well-done Strong Female Lead. This, of course, can’t be allowed. DESTROY IT.
6:40 I was thinking of the idea that if a woman got pregnant with another man's baby when he still had no idea of it happening, then the man still had to pay for child support. That's what I got when I imagined the roles reversed.
Yep. Some people seem to think that because they think Gal Gadot is "hot", that the guy she raped wouldn't have been upset about being raped by her. But we all know if the genders were reversed, they'd be calling for the man to be crucified, regardless of what he looked like.
The movie was just all over the place. It felt like something that was designed by committee, where they tried to write the script to tie together a crapton of totally random ideas. I think the "Steve in another body" deal was purely just so they could tie in that whole scene of him trying on clothes, and he could only do that if he has a wardrobe. It's why they never made a big deal about it, because it was supposed to be just a gag for comedy they didn't want the audience to think about too hard. Really the whole movie required you to shut your brain off, or you'd start questioning how Steve is a fish out of water and yet can fly a modern jet or how Diana's powers were fading but she was able to make the jet invisible somehow... and of course how WW technically raped someone and Steve was cool stealing someone's body and life. The movie constantly changed the rules because it felt like they had a bunch of disjointed scenes and then tried to thread them together. I barely even realized Diana was losing her powers if they didn't explicitly say it, because her power levels still seemed extremely high except for a few moments of weakness between the amazing feats. I'd have preferred they focused on the Themiscyra and Diana's mythological roots. That's the most interesting thing about Wonder Woman in my mind. Have Diana rescue Steve from Hades in the underworld and unleash some kind of hell on earth that way. And it opens the door to pretty much bring in literally anything from the wide array of Greek myths and really put that big budget to use. WW84 was a completely forgettable film. I pretty much lump in the same category with Thor 2, though at least Thor 2 didn't have as many plotholes.
"Have Diana rescue Steve from Hades in the underworld and unleash some kinda hell on earth" And like that...someone on UA-cam just pitched a better WW story than we got.
Thor 2 lacked a reason for the main villain. Eccleston said they had a throne room scene where he and Odin face off. He siad it would have covered this. In the comics, Malekith hates Odin because he asked for his help, but Odin didn't help. Odin was defending Asgard at the time and didn't arrive in time to save Malekith's planet. This caused Malekith to loose his wife and kid (I think it had something with Thanos invading his planet).
How much more powerful would it have been for her to go thru literal Hell to bring Steve back, and then have to send him there again in order to save the world? To have to watch him either turn to dust or fade into nothing? Or better yet, get to the very gates and realize that he couldn't cross over due to his lack of a body? THAT would have been poignant and powerful.
How did Max continue to broadcast after Diana and Barbra destroyed the power lines, and we’ll just ignore that Diana couldn’t reach Max with her lasso, but then when she’s defeated on the ground somehow she got it on his leg...
Biggest headshake of the movie for me was this: You have Chris Pine in your film. You go out of your way to not just have Steve and Diana visit the Smithsonian, but the Air and Space part. How are you going to go that far and not have Captain Kirk checking out the model of the Enterprise?
My Review: Wonder Woman 1984 had to be the most strangest superhero movie that I have ever seen. Even after watching this review, I'm still finding it difficult to explain WHY exactly… I knew something was off though, when, at the start, a waiter asks Diana if she's waiting for anyone, and when she says “no,” there's like a whole 10 seconds of him picking up everything off of the table, one by one, as Diana darts her eyes uncomfortably--it was so weird.. Why did they keep that in? The pacing was so... weird! Like the same thing just kept happening over and over again Also this film has pretty much every cliché you can think of lol. When Kristen Wiig dropped pretty much 'x999 paper' from her inventory, and nobody helped her rofl, I was suddenly transported to all those terrible 90s/early 2000's movies, that have that classic meet-cute scene. You know the ones I'm talking about: “oops, I accidentally touched your hand… can I buy you a coffee?” Another cliché that this film milked dry, was the over-representation of impossibly creepy cat-callers. It was like all the men in this movie, were Johnny Bravo, but if Johnny Bravo had 5 seconds to live. lol I couldn’t take it seriously. 50% of this movie, honestly, is just guys trying to stop Gal and Kristen from doing their day to days, and I can’t help but laugh at how bad and over the top it was… Man, I wonder if those “CAT-callers” are foreshadowing for Kristen Wiig becoming a Cheetah? rofl. The Ninja Warrior prologue was good, and I really enjoyed the chase scene too. As for the final fight scene: Admittedly, when I saw that long-shot of Cheetah standing on top of that building... and you can see, through this sinister silhouette, that she had become something else… I was like “whoa…!” it was scary and foreboding. Loved it. Then they started fighting lol With all the swinging and bouncing, it looked like a really, really, really computer generated circus act. It was just Wonder Woman & Crash Bandicoot swinging around in the dark, with far too many, far too long close-up shots--it made the fight feel claustrophobic, and not in a good way! It was difficult to grasp how much damage they were dealing to one another too, which is a sad thing to say about a two physically strong characters. Lastly, Wonder Woman electrocuting Crash with a loose power line, is not exactly a good superhero-finisher lol… as soon as I saw the powerline, I knew what was in store for me... Lastly, lastly… Diana sleeping with Steve Trevor, on the first night she is reunited with him, when he looks like a completely a different human being, is just gross, and not at all how humans would act in a situation like that …Kinda makes those cat-callers not look so sickly, in retrospect. EDIT: And after watching your video, you're right, Wonder Woman absolutely R__ed someone in this movie... wow. How did I not realise this? Weird film. Bad everything.
Why did Diana go to the fancy ball, just to meet Steve who wasn’t invited and would have been thrown out as a crasher? Diana had no reason to be suspicious of either Lord or Minerva at that point, and did not follow nor confront them.
First 15 minutes pointless and redundant. it was in the 1st movie. a 15 second flashback was all that was required. they need to flesh out the magic wish granting mcguffin and maxwells awareness of it. the apex predator wish was STUPID. you will be a circus freak with people pointing at you and not get invited to parties. The f111 museum plane scene was stupid. it cant fly to cairo range 4000 miles max. pine could not fly it without some training....who was looking after mxwells kid? where was the mother?
@@esecallum It shoud not fly at all. I read somewhere that decomissioned jets that are sent to museums go without their engine... let alone it is weird a museum has a fully fueled jet.
It seemed pretty undeniable to me once the giant wall went up. Sure, they took him in a more sympathetic direction at the end, but that doesn't negate all the earlier stuff.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 hm, I guess you're right. I mean I can definitely understand if you're going off his appearance because he does look like Trump. But the actions I'm still iffy on, because I feel like if they wanted to have the "Trump's bad" message then they'd just make him pure evil. But I only saw the "human's are bad but redeemable" message
I am not convinced that was forced diversity we never saw the mother of the child. Now if we saw the mother and the child didn’t match her perhaps I could be more more skeptical, but even then adoption child from China has been an occurrence in my region.
@@metapikasonic Even if the mother was chinese, that child never could be his, because the child is not mixed race. And another point is why he has a chinese child and not a white child that would be more logical.
I watched 84 and thought "It sucks". Then I watched the first WW (for the first time). And after, I thought "Man, 84 BOMED hard! WTF happened?" Made me WISH I didn't wastd time finding it on the High Seas.
I thought comicbook Dreamstone also is wish granting thing. But Dreamstone is more connected to The Endless ( where Morpheus is still kind of greek god )
Diana : You don't have a passport. Steve : I don't? Diana : No, you died in 1918 and today is 1984. Steve : Euh, ok Diana. Handsome guy's inner voice : Let me get out of here, morons!
Another thing that hit me while watching the movie, was that the music score was terrible. Second, the the cinematography was rather pathetic. No interesting shots , or camera movement, it was all so boring. Even Gal's acting was very wooden for most of the film.
Haven't watched it yet since it isn't available on the EU version of HBO, but it sounds like it doesn't deserve more then a quick watch on the high seas. Thanks for the review matey
This was an *unnecessary sequel* starring a beautiful woman (whose acting skills are debatable), two comic book villains who were completely watered down and essentially useless supervillains, and ALOT of bad CGI, corny acting, lackluster fight scenes, random storylines, and just an movie that the original screenwriter who wrote it should feel embarrassed 😬😆
Accurate review. I've been discussing the spirit roofie with members of a film review forum for days, in addition to the wasted powers scenes. Glad to see we're not the only ones.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 I find it weird that people are defending it, even when you bring it up and explain the case. I've heard "Gal and Patty wouldn't put that on a movie" and there aren't rules for governing spiritual ownership of a different body. I would call possession as invasive as anything could be, but they also slept together which is definitely not cool. I mean, if she gave him an STD, he still has an STD. If she's pregnant, he would fail a paternity test. Not to mention whatever else happened to his life while he was checked out. Beyond that, I'm deeply concerned for the unaddressed top 100 actresses and any known porn star when the world's supply of 16 year olds started making their wishes all at once.
It was co-written by the guy who wrote the screenplays for Doom (2005), The Expendables Movies and Godzilla (2014). This was the first sign that this movie isn't going to be good.
What if Diana had gotten pregnant from that rando dude, haha - would she tell the guy she raped about a child he didn’t know he made? What if the guy was gay and didn’t want to have his body used to sex up a lady? Seriously, I mentioned this to my gay brother and he rolled his eyes and said I was reading too much into a silly movie.
First 15 minutes pointless and redundant. it was in the 1st movie. a 15 second flashback was all that was required. they need to flesh out the magic wish granting mcguffin and maxwells awareness of it. the apex predator wish was STUPID. you will be a circus freak with people pointing at you and not get invited to parties. The f111 museum plane scene was stupid. it cant fly to cairo range 4000 miles max. pine could not fly it without some training....who was looking after mxwells kid? where was the mother?
It shouldn't be capable of flying. I read that decomissioned jets are sent to museums without the engine. Nonetheless, who leaves a fueled fughter jet around?
@@BrandonGavin_EDC Its probably the biggest stretch of the video. Maxwell doesn't have anything in common with DJT beyond very generic comparisons that could be applied to dozens of business villians. Maybe I just didn't find the hair that weird, since to me it looks 80s.
@@nm2358 cool well I have heard it’s not as bad as some made it out to be but with Hollywood these days everything needs to be scrutinized, specifically with how bad TDS Pedro has in real life.
@Joshua D Are we really going to pretend Maxwell's hair is uber odd for the 80s? Ignore that their personal history of both DJT and Maxwell are totally different? Being a television personality or a dishonest businessman in the 80s doesn't make Lord into DJT. Folks are projecting way too hard here.
The saddest part is that Maxwell Lord(at least in this movie) is an actual interesting and somewhat sympathetic villain and Pedro Pascal's performance ties it together wonderfully His crippling fear of being seen as a failure, instilled in him by his father, has him believe that he needs to EARN people's love and respect with money and sucess. And the fact that he throught hr needed to buy his own son's affection as well was actually really sad cause in the few scenes they share we can tell he's a single father, and a good one at that And I'm not gonna lie, the scene where his son tells him he loves him unconditionally was the ONE time this movie actually pulled some heartstrings But all of this just makes the movie so much worse when you realise that its the ONLY good new thing about this movie
I was somewhat appalled that Steve Trevor, WWII experienced pilot, would choose to fly the jet through the middle of a flak bombardment...among the many other oddities. This was feeling more like Wonder Woman gaining powers out of her backside the same way Rey suddenly decides she can heal things with the force, etc.
The rock has consequences for its wishes. Consequence 1. Steve comes back in another body. Consequence 2. Diana loses her powers. Ww faces 2 consequences for 1 wish.
Patty Jenkins and Tim Burton have 3 things in common. They had a very successful first film (Tim Burton's Batman and Patty's Wonder Woman). And they wanted creative control over their sequels. And their sequels made you go "WTF!?"
I was expecting to see Diana vs Hades in this movie. But for Cheetah, one of the most villian in Wonder Woman comic books, they ruined the character story. Ugh! I guess this movie is about between her and Trump. WTF!
Maybe its just me, but I never once thought about Trump while watching the movie. When I found out people were comparing Maxwell Lord and Trump, I was surprised because I just never made the connection. I also seem to be one of the few people who liked the movie.
I stopped reading comics in the early '90s because I hated how they would kill off characters for an emotional impact and then turn around and resurrect popular characters. I will not knowingly watch a superhero movie with a resurrected character. I don't believe that Diana would still be pining for Steve AFTER 60 YEARS. She barely knew him in the first film. Sure they might have good chemistry (they did in the first film), but I draw the line at resurrecting characters.
I thought about that too. She knew Steve in the first movie for what, a week? Two weeks? And she's still messed up over losing him six decades later? Sure, they're a good couple, but holy crap, this seems like something Diana night need therapy for.
I didn’t get a trump parody feel from Max; it was more of an evangelical pastor type of thing. I thought the whole wishing to get ahead was part of the whole “don’t cheat to get what you want” lesson. The reason it takes place in the ‘80’s is because that was when people like Max were putting out infomercials promoting themselves as self help gurus, who could solve your problems. So it works for the character and plot. I thought all of those corny ‘80’s cliches at the beginning were an intentional wink toward the era. I liked the more dramatic aspects toward the end of the film. It wasn’t great but it wasn’t bad. I liked it overall.
I thought it was one of the greatest superhero films ever made. Right up there with Christopher Nolan’s Batman and Unbreakable. Of course it’s not surprising coming from the same co-writer and director as the 2002 film Monster with Christina Ricchie and Charlize Theron.
The power of the wishes was just so bizarre. A wall can manifest out of nowhere in an instant. Police officers started manifesting out of nowhere to arrest Irish people. Wtf was this? Why did Steve have to appear in another mans body? Why couldn't he have just appeared out of nowhere like everything else? What happens to the guy he possessed? Was he just in limbo for a while? Why did Kristen Wiig get 2 wishes when they made it clear that people only get 1 wish? What happens if one persons wish conflicts with another? Why did Diana's powers disappear slowly but everything is appearing suddenly?
I think a lot of this was a part of the twisting of the wishes. Steve doesn't belong in that guy's body etc. For Cheetah: I think, either because he's technically a new wishing stone, it could be a new one, or based on him saying he makes the rules he changes her wish to be something else, or she technically renounces her first wish and gets another one.
I don't get how this movie is supposed to make money. A lot of theaters are closed because of the pandemic and HBO Max gave it away for free to people who paid $15 for a month of content, not this movie specifically. How will any movie be a money maker if they go straight to a streaming service without paying a premium for it? Also, this movie was too long. I paid to watch it in a theater.
The whole consent thing is such a 2020 issue. In Super Hero films what happens to normals is almost never addressed and forgotten almost immediately. But, If we're going down this rabbit hole (with the rabbit's consent, of course) then we have to take into consideration other problematic points as well--and these points go hand-in-hand with any super hero flick, but are usuallyglossed over as part of the experience. 1: Wonder Woman is not an officer of the law or a member of the military. Her actions in public, ie creating significant public damage and assaulting various people are against the law. The owners of the mall didn't ask her to swoop in and start tearing shit up. By doing so she has left the mall wide open to prosecution and various civil and class action lawsuits that would in all likelihood, bankrupt the mall and land the parties involved in jail. 2: Wonder Woman's destruction of property is uninsurable. If you're a shop owner who has just had your storefront destroyed by Wonder Woman, that damage would not be insured, unless you happen to have a Super Hero clause underwritten in your policy. So, in one foray at the mall, Wonder Woman ruined the lives of countless people. So, if you want to get all truthy with the topic of consent, then you can't also shrug off the topic of real world liability. The Incredibles had it most right, where the government made the Incredibles retire because their activities were too expensive to maintain.
Personally despite the movie being boring most of the time the mixed message of the ending is what made no sense to me. Nobody makes a selfless wish to cure their sick child/parent/lover from a deadly disease or world peace, cure for cancer etc. Everybody makes the selfless decision to renounce their selfish wish. And that's not even addressing the language barrier which might be resolved by mafic but was it then also brainwashing from Diana which made all the jerks in the world renounce their wish? Humans are way too selfish to simply stop being selfish, for some no matter the costs. Also what about stuff which already happened? Like if someone just wished for a cup of coffee several days ago and he renounces his wish...would the coffee reappear? O_o Or if someone would have wished to be dead (after all many people suffer from depression across the globe) how would they even renounce their wish? So a better ending would have been if Maxwell simply Hitlers himself and that's the reset button instead and also stops the problem from arising again, also was everyone man in black'ed in the movie or how else did the nuclear war and miracle destructions of not only new but also old missiles which had nothing to do with wishes escape the history books. Or did they "just kind of forget" in the future?
That is why I love the MCU so much. Actions have consequences. By the end of Avengers, people were talking of an alien invasion, journos were discussing who were the superheros that saved earth, who was going to control them, who would cover the damage of that fight, etc. It had a rippling effect for the other movies. In the DCEU, Superman destroyed Metropolis, but by the end of MoS he was kissing Louis like nothing happened (including a neck snap) and was making demands to help people when Superman helps because it is the right thing to do. In this movie, they wished, unwished and what about it???? How the would cope with this mess? Or nobody remembered what they wished?
@@chronoshin8597 I don't think everyone renounced their wish. I think Cheetah didn't, as far as I saw. I think Max renouncing his wish undid the wishes.
I think Max renouncing his wish is what undid all the wishes. While some, not all renounced their wish before. I think it showed Cheetah not renouncing her wish, as far as I remember seeing, and hers went away. I don't think a lot of people would believe that magic made their wishes come true.
Oh and here's a fun thought to really make the climactic ending even more interesting. DCEU Thomas and Martha Wayne were murdered in 1981. There is a better than average chance that a 12 year old Bruce wished for his parents back after missing them for the last 3 years. Especially when you consider that the song playing over her "hey...undo all these wishes so we don't all die" speech is literally a variation of the BvS song that was played in that movies rendition of them being killed and Bruce mourning. Makes their meeting up and her not caring about the world for 100 years a little "wonky"
This movie sucks. I had high hopes for this as I loved the first movie. The mall scene was so bad i was hoping it will get better, but it just kept getting worse. What an absolute disappointment
They got rid of the main MALE writers from the 1st movie. Why the hell did they do this??? Same thing happened when they did Superman 1 / 2 (which were good)...then switched writers for Superman 3...which was pure crap.
Richard Donner and Tom Mankiewicz are why Superman 1 was good, after they left Richard Lester was brought on and the tone of the movies changed, slapstick and comedy of Superman 3 and the theatrical cut of Superman 2.
@@Lady_Yuna I liked the original theatrical release of Superman 2...I didn't like the longer unedited version they showed on TV. Oh...and Superman 4 sucked too.
*So the guy has sex with [Gal Godot] Wonder Woman. Where's the problem?* Even if the guy remembers afterwards can't picture him being that upset. "Oh no I had sex with a very beautiful amazonian woman, woe is me".
That body swap with Steve freaked me out! I kept thinking that the guy might either had a sexual transmitted disease or might have been gay 🤷🏽♀️ like wtf Steve should have just got his body back!
And what if Steve had gotten injured while doing action stuff? The guy would have woken up back in his own body with a broken leg or worse and have no idea how it even happened.
I'm now uneasy for Star Wars Rogue Squadron since Patty Jenkins is spearheading that one too. I hope they wouldn't be shoving woke BS up our throats on that movie.
I haven't seen anyone point this out but perhaps to why Steve was in another body instead of coming back in his original one was he was already back. Maybe the wish didn't work like we would think because the guy was him reincarnated and the McGuffin did the next best thing and gave him his old memories of being Steve.
Something I always enjoy about Thorias, that I rarely see these days, is he doesn't "Hateboy" over things. He's fully willing to say that "As bad as it was, these things were still good.". "These actors are decent" "This scene worked well", etc.
Honestly, the "I have to oppose EVERY aspect" types are just as bad, to me, as the "I have to defend EVERY aspect" fanboys. And it's really nice to have a fair, reasonable person weigh the pros and cons, while also having the backbone to say "And the end result of the weighing is that it's shit.".
I love your comment and I agree 100%.
Hey, I don't watch these things wanting to hate them. I'll give them credit when they deserve it. I think a review is harder for the haters to dismiss when you examine both sides.
Great comment and absolutely true. Hating for hate's sake (and the other end of the spectrum) is lame. Judge something on its merits, not based on other considerations.
What if those people legitimately can't find anything positive about a movie?
@@SolProxy It's hard to find anything where NOTHING works, where there isn't One actor who was having fun with the role, or One idea that had some potential or W/E.
they literally said that they wanted to realise the movie while trump was still in office so it would still be relevant. smh. why can't these people just focus on making a good movie?
Should have called it WW20 instead
Nope because those in charge of the studios along with several directors, actors etc etc. Still wants to bash Trump at the expense of making a good movie and its audience.
Ricky Gervais was right.
And by making it relevant to 2020, they are forever dating it to this era. Directors used to want to make timeless classics.
Because they just can't let it go! Orange Man Bad! as far as they're concerned.
@@MegaMagicdog I will agree that Stump is a self-absorbed prick. But yes this Orange Man Bad stick is just getting old at this point. In fact it has gotten old during the second year of his term.
I WATCHED THIS MOVIE ILLEGALLY AND I STILL WANT MY MONEY BACK 😭
If I could just get my time back I'd be fine
Same, i think it was actually worse than ghostbusters 2016, in its pacing and i feel that thats the worst movie I’ve ever seen, I’m 50.
Hahaha! (I seriously feel the same way about "Man of Steel" and BVS)
FBI OPEN UP!!!
10 cents is on the way kid.. that's how much this movie is worth , maybe
It’s crazy how they depict every man in the movie as a rapist yet the only one who ends up being one is Diana and yet they never address this at all. Talk about a double standard, I really wanted this movie to be good I enjoyed the first one a lot so many problems with this one what a shame.
I only remember 1 guy was depicted as a rapist. As far as I remember, Max, Steve, the homeless man, the other men, weren't. There were men who were hitting on Diana and such, but that doesn't make them rapists.
Feminism destroys everything.
I pointed out how the man Steve was inhabiting could not consent to sex. I posted it on a movie news forum and it got removed. They do not want to hear it.
Shows how fucked Hollywood is this shit probably like with that guy getting raped probably happens in Hollywood all the time.
@Laniiyah Scott exactly it completely destroyed her character shes no longer a hero anymore.
"Where the hell did all of the money go?!"
Cocaine...lots of cocaine
It was cocainum. ua-cam.com/video/pFJ62vlZbls/v-deo.html&ab_channel=OneLinerArmory
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This film focused on magical wishes, and you're telling me they COULDN'T have had Steve return properly?
This is what I'm saying. All they knew for sure was that they wanted Steve back. They didn't give much thought to getting the hows and whys to make sense.
I mean they could have but what would have been the monkey paw's tradeoff? Im open to suggestions. Maybe they could have brought him back only for them to find out he has incurable Cancer that gives him 5 days to live or something but even that woulda posed problems of retreading ground we already covered in the first movie. This movie has us believing Barbara has been brooding and mourning Steve's passing circa 1918 in loneliness for 66 years where she could barely move on with her live socially (despite moving from London to D.C. and deciding to fight street crime in open public using her own in house surveillance system while also trying to keep a low cover.....rather poorly and in brighter outfit and more whimsical charm playing with her enemies in that mall scene. Thats a bit much lol.
Whats more is did she entirely check out mentally and publicly during WW2, Korean and Vietnam war? We dont know but it seems so. I could see maybe her not wanting to get involved in the latter two wars since those were more isolated, but WW2? That was everywhere especially Europe where she was residing.
I think someone wanted the scene where he tried on clothes and they worked their way backward from there.
@@budgiecat9039
steve died when the stone stop working.
basicly when WW stop the villain, steve died.
I'm not a Wonder Woman fan, but the lack of consent part got to me on such a deep level that I searched Steve's history throughout the comics. At one point after he died he is brought back in a body made of clay. This could have been used instead since Diana references to this being how her body was created. Just saying... 🙄
Best review: “wonder woman is a rapist” 😂😂😂 this movie was so bad in almost every level. It feels as soon as Jenkins called “this is a wrap” they released it. They forgot to edit it to see if it makes any sense. I think they found the script from 70’s and just made it
Jenkins announced to lead the Superhero R***s Cinematic Universe, SRCU
The lasso animation was horrible, especially at the end.
It's like the budget ran out and an intern got to do it on his home pc.
I agree especially at the beginning, in the mall. Just awful!!!
Also, AFAIK Wonder Wonder has never used her lasso that way (riding lighting bolts, especially). If you're going to break/ignore established canon to give WW powers she never had, you'd better at least do a good job of it.
The hallway scene, her riding the lightning...😂 JFC
It became obvious that they were obsessed with the lasso. It's cool, sure, but they seemed to want it to basically overshadow Diana at every turn. She became discount Spiderman by the end, and the lasso was like a long glowy snakey superman.
A lasso caught a bullet. We all started laughing.
The 1st flash-back scene is actually very deep: Taking a shortcut and cheating will never be successful, hence Barbara lost because she is a cheetah.
Barbara could have won if she didn’t wish for the stupidest thing ever “I want to be an apex predator”
Man thousands of people have liked far inferior comments...I laughed out loud at the cheetah 🤣
Considering WB let Amber Heard stay despite every evidence is out there and are planning to give her a solo film.
Don’t forget they got rid of all the Johnny depp films on Netflix
@@RetroFan2.0 ain't that sum shit.
Hiya :)
I'm just here to see how you feel now after the Depp and Heard trial
"Wonder Woman... is a rapist!"
:O
Killerpunch-line, loved it!
I wish someone would a video based on this only
When Pedro used his wish to become the wish stone, the movie took a left turn down turd street.
Now, see I actually thought that was an interesting turn that I did not expect. Way better than simply playing hot potato with the mcguffin.
@@heatseekerx51 but just such a stupid wish to make.. why not just wish for infinite wishes himself. Not that people have to make wishes through him
It would have been hilarious if he’d actually turned into a stone🤣
Bet he made a wish to keep his job by making fun of trump lmao
You've had Wonder Woman taking place in 1918.
Then Wonder Woman 1984 in.... 1984.
Now get ready for
WONDERPUNK 2077
Wondergame 2023
Cheetah instead of being like Catwoman from Batmam Returns she was instead Catwomam from Catwoman.
She was more like a cat, from CATS.
@@heatseekerx51 more like a bad version of Cheetarah from Thundercats
@@budgiecat9039 HOOOOOOOOOO!
Ouch
That Halle movie could have been great
COULD HAVE!
XD
I dunno, Catwoman in Catwoman doesn't look a whole lot like Catwoman...
But it's a bit harsh to say that Halle Berry looks *bad* as Catwoman, even if it's not really anywhere close to the source material.
Man Ive been waiting for this. Very few people sensibly break down WHY a movie is bad instead of just saying its bad. Good job dude.
The Critical Drinker, Mauler, Rags's, Metalcommander... There are others, but those are a very solid start.
Chris Stuckman as well.... His reviews are always on point
@@RiylanCorma mauler and rags? Lol.
@@blackRXrider No, Rags'ss''s.
@@RiylanCorma wait, Rags still makes videos???
This movie also proves that you should leave writing to the writers and directing to directors, the last 20 or so years almost anytime a director gets involved in making a script it sucks.
Yes. Directors understand actors; writers understand audiences
Maxwell Lord is one of my favorite DC villains and they made him so so dirty.
I decided not to watch it on principle. It was obvious from the trailers it was going full Gillette. I'm not about to go to a movie that's following the Ghostbusters2016,nu Star Wars,nu Star Trek, Dr Who,Solo,Charlie's Angels, Birds Of Prey,Terminator Dark Flop trend.
They really did try to go woke, but they're so tone deaf that they even failed at that.
You can’t really say anything if you haven’t seen it.
This felt very cw level and that says a lot.
Whaddoya mean by CW level?
That's actually an insult to the CW.
Oof.
Probably because Jeoff Johns was one of the script writers
Lmao
I have a co-worker who is a major superhero fanatic. She loves the vast majority of them, and spends ages on them. She was even forgiving of some of the star wars flops (Not supportive, just forgiving.) When I asked how WW84 was. I got a grumble, and a sigh. Even she couldn't find reason to enjoy it. "It was just bad." Was what I got.
30th person with a brain here. Even I never stooped to rape in my career as the world's greatest super villain. Maxwell Lord (who could've been the villain of multiple justice league films, whether as Max or as Lord Havok) was more wasted than an alcoholic playing GTA with a blindfold.
What about that time in TDKR. You kidnapped Selina, then next time we saw her she was in a Wonder Woman outfit..... Tied up and gagged.
The killing joke.
Harley Quinn?
@@phoenixinvictus9880 Thst was ALLL on Harley. She doesn't get to rewrite history
@@JennySparkz how is his driving her insane her fault?
This story just felt cringey and all over the place, which is a real shame because I quite liked the concept of the story from the trailer.
I’m left disappointed tbh.
It’s like they were angry that comic fans actually liked the first one and kept using it as an example of a well-done Strong Female Lead. This, of course, can’t be allowed. DESTROY IT.
Hollywood doesn't actually like Successful female leads.
6:40 I was thinking of the idea that if a woman got pregnant with another man's baby when he still had no idea of it happening, then the man still had to pay for child support.
That's what I got when I imagined the roles reversed.
It seemed people ignored the non consensual acts in this film...
They're leaning into the flawed "Quantum Leap" excuse to defend it.
Yep. Some people seem to think that because they think Gal Gadot is "hot", that the guy she raped wouldn't have been upset about being raped by her. But we all know if the genders were reversed, they'd be calling for the man to be crucified, regardless of what he looked like.
The movie was just all over the place. It felt like something that was designed by committee, where they tried to write the script to tie together a crapton of totally random ideas. I think the "Steve in another body" deal was purely just so they could tie in that whole scene of him trying on clothes, and he could only do that if he has a wardrobe. It's why they never made a big deal about it, because it was supposed to be just a gag for comedy they didn't want the audience to think about too hard. Really the whole movie required you to shut your brain off, or you'd start questioning how Steve is a fish out of water and yet can fly a modern jet or how Diana's powers were fading but she was able to make the jet invisible somehow... and of course how WW technically raped someone and Steve was cool stealing someone's body and life. The movie constantly changed the rules because it felt like they had a bunch of disjointed scenes and then tried to thread them together. I barely even realized Diana was losing her powers if they didn't explicitly say it, because her power levels still seemed extremely high except for a few moments of weakness between the amazing feats.
I'd have preferred they focused on the Themiscyra and Diana's mythological roots. That's the most interesting thing about Wonder Woman in my mind. Have Diana rescue Steve from Hades in the underworld and unleash some kind of hell on earth that way. And it opens the door to pretty much bring in literally anything from the wide array of Greek myths and really put that big budget to use.
WW84 was a completely forgettable film. I pretty much lump in the same category with Thor 2, though at least Thor 2 didn't have as many plotholes.
So basically they hired the writing team from Batwoman?!
"Have Diana rescue Steve from Hades in the underworld and unleash some kinda hell on earth"
And like that...someone on UA-cam just pitched a better WW story than we got.
Thor 2 lacked a reason for the main villain. Eccleston said they had a throne room scene where he and Odin face off. He siad it would have covered this. In the comics, Malekith hates Odin because he asked for his help, but Odin didn't help.
Odin was defending Asgard at the time and didn't arrive in time to save Malekith's planet. This caused Malekith to loose his wife and kid (I think it had something with Thanos invading his planet).
She made the jet invisible after losing her power because the plot needed it to.
How much more powerful would it have been for her to go thru literal Hell to bring Steve back, and then have to send him there again in order to save the world? To have to watch him either turn to dust or fade into nothing? Or better yet, get to the very gates and realize that he couldn't cross over due to his lack of a body? THAT would have been poignant and powerful.
How did Max continue to broadcast after Diana and Barbra destroyed the power lines, and we’ll just ignore that Diana couldn’t reach Max with her lasso, but then when she’s defeated on the ground somehow she got it on his leg...
I still don't know what that beam of light Max was standing in was...
Biggest headshake of the movie for me was this: You have Chris Pine in your film. You go out of your way to not just have Steve and Diana visit the Smithsonian, but the Air and Space part.
How are you going to go that far and not have Captain Kirk checking out the model of the Enterprise?
I loved when they stole a jet that, despite being a museum piece, was gassed up with enough fuel to fly across the entire ocean twice.
She Bill Cosby'd him.
They need to reboot the entire dceu and the actors. Start with the Batman and build with that. Cause this shit is a hot mess.
My Review:
Wonder Woman 1984 had to be the most strangest superhero movie that I have ever seen. Even after watching this review, I'm still finding it difficult to explain WHY exactly… I knew something was off though, when, at the start, a waiter asks Diana if she's waiting for anyone, and when she says “no,” there's like a whole 10 seconds of him picking up everything off of the table, one by one, as Diana darts her eyes uncomfortably--it was so weird.. Why did they keep that in?
The pacing was so... weird! Like the same thing just kept happening over and over again
Also this film has pretty much every cliché you can think of lol.
When Kristen Wiig dropped pretty much 'x999 paper' from her inventory, and nobody helped her rofl, I was suddenly transported to all those terrible 90s/early 2000's movies, that have that classic meet-cute scene. You know the ones I'm talking about: “oops, I accidentally touched your hand… can I buy you a coffee?”
Another cliché that this film milked dry, was the over-representation of impossibly creepy cat-callers. It was like all the men in this movie, were Johnny Bravo, but if Johnny Bravo had 5 seconds to live. lol I couldn’t take it seriously. 50% of this movie, honestly, is just guys trying to stop Gal and Kristen from doing their day to days, and I can’t help but laugh at how bad and over the top it was… Man, I wonder if those “CAT-callers” are foreshadowing for Kristen Wiig becoming a Cheetah? rofl.
The Ninja Warrior prologue was good, and I really enjoyed the chase scene too.
As for the final fight scene: Admittedly, when I saw that long-shot of Cheetah standing on top of that building... and you can see, through this sinister silhouette, that she had become something else… I was like “whoa…!” it was scary and foreboding. Loved it.
Then they started fighting lol
With all the swinging and bouncing, it looked like a really, really, really computer generated circus act. It was just Wonder Woman & Crash Bandicoot swinging around in the dark, with far too many, far too long close-up shots--it made the fight feel claustrophobic, and not in a good way! It was difficult to grasp how much damage they were dealing to one another too, which is a sad thing to say about a two physically strong characters. Lastly, Wonder Woman electrocuting Crash with a loose power line, is not exactly a good superhero-finisher lol… as soon as I saw the powerline, I knew what was in store for me...
Lastly, lastly… Diana sleeping with Steve Trevor, on the first night she is reunited with him, when he looks like a completely a different human being, is just gross, and not at all how humans would act in a situation like that
…Kinda makes those cat-callers not look so sickly, in retrospect. EDIT: And after watching your video, you're right, Wonder Woman absolutely R__ed someone in this movie... wow. How did I not realise this?
Weird film. Bad everything.
"they pulled a phoenix out of their asses" - ROFL 😂
Why did Diana go to the fancy ball, just to meet Steve who wasn’t invited and would have been thrown out as a crasher? Diana had no reason to be suspicious of either Lord or Minerva at that point, and did not follow nor confront them.
Simple, so Diana can wear a fancy 80s gown. Lol. The whole movie felt like a romance novel.
First 15 minutes pointless and redundant. it was in the 1st movie. a 15 second flashback was all that was required. they need to flesh out the magic wish granting mcguffin and maxwells awareness of it. the apex predator wish was STUPID. you will be a circus freak with people pointing at you and not get invited to parties. The f111 museum plane scene was stupid. it cant fly to cairo range 4000 miles max. pine could not fly it without some training....who was looking after mxwells kid? where was the mother?
I got the impression she didn't trust Max and went after the Max scene.
I guess the guy whose body Steve was in had an invitation maybe? *shrugs*
@@esecallum It shoud not fly at all. I read somewhere that decomissioned jets that are sent to museums go without their engine... let alone it is weird a museum has a fully fueled jet.
"The movie is so bad people walked out of their homes"
Congratulations people You have achieved comedy
Loved it
XD
@@Ramsey276one can't believe i found another, Happy new year!
I actually didn't see the Trump thing until people started talking about it. He seemed more sympathetic and sad than like a Trump stand in.
It seemed pretty undeniable to me once the giant wall went up. Sure, they took him in a more sympathetic direction at the end, but that doesn't negate all the earlier stuff.
@Alec L haha, I think you've just opened a can of worms buddy. All the SJW's will be attacking you if they see this
@@thoriasunlimited4053 hm, I guess you're right. I mean I can definitely understand if you're going off his appearance because he does look like Trump. But the actions I'm still iffy on, because I feel like if they wanted to have the "Trump's bad" message then they'd just make him pure evil. But I only saw the "human's are bad but redeemable" message
This movie is woke: Maxwell now is hispanic and has a chinese son. Force diversity, anyone?
So? Kingpin was played by a black man about 17 years ago.
@@Dagenspear So that was also woke.
I am not convinced that was forced diversity we never saw the mother of the child. Now if we saw the mother and the child didn’t match her perhaps I could be more more skeptical, but even then adoption child from China has been an occurrence in my region.
@@metapikasonic Even if the mother was chinese, that child never could be his, because the child is not mixed race.
And another point is why he has a chinese child and not a white child that would be more logical.
and max was so dull and the storyline was just lame and pathetic.. i mean a dream stone? and wishes? wtf was that crap!
I love this guy’s voice, sounds like Kermit the frog but with lots of confidence.
WW - "It's just a trash can.."
The moral is: Don't wish to be like Wonder Woman or she'll drown you until you wish you weren't
That Steve Trevor possessing another guy sounds like something that could’ve been done in the golden or silver age of comics
Nothing about that was good. He should've just come back in his own body. Diana technically graped the poor dude Steve was forced to possess.
Or Rwby.
@@johannesseyfried7933 I see what you did there
I watched 84 and thought "It sucks".
Then I watched the first WW (for the first time). And after, I thought "Man, 84 BOMED hard! WTF happened?" Made me WISH I didn't wastd time finding it on the High Seas.
You know, the funny thing is when I look at how they did Maxwell Lord, I don't see Trump: I see Tucker Carlson.
"There's not like a presidential election coming up uhhhh two months ago." hahahaha
This movie suck... they copied the story from bruce almighty...
I thought comicbook Dreamstone also is wish granting thing. But Dreamstone is more connected to The Endless ( where Morpheus is still kind of greek god )
No one has an original idea these days
@@Lupus-iv7jp dreamstone was original from veetigo. More like Bruce allmighty ripped off verido
@@goldenretriever3323and again no original ideas
@@goldenretriever3323 Also, not an original idea. That goes back. WAY back. The idea, anyway.
Diana : You don't have a passport.
Steve : I don't?
Diana : No, you died in 1918 and today is 1984.
Steve : Euh, ok Diana.
Handsome guy's inner voice : Let me get out of here, morons!
Another thing that hit me while watching the movie, was that the music score was terrible. Second, the the cinematography was rather pathetic. No interesting shots , or camera movement, it was all so boring. Even Gal's acting was very wooden for most of the film.
This is what happens when you do too many takes (just saying)
Haven't watched it yet since it isn't available on the EU version of HBO, but it sounds like it doesn't deserve more then a quick watch on the high seas.
Thanks for the review matey
Why do they push away half of America with there “trump” character? Where I live we all LOVE trump. Don’t understand why Hollywood always does this.
Cause Hollywood are ideologues.
Cause in alot of industries, its profitable
I didn't even see the Trump parallels.
@@nm2358 Neither did I.
There are no Trump parallels that I could see. I'm not sure who started that, but it's not in the movie.
This was an *unnecessary sequel* starring a beautiful woman (whose acting skills are debatable), two comic book villains who were completely watered down and essentially useless supervillains, and ALOT of bad CGI, corny acting, lackluster fight scenes, random storylines, and just an movie that the original screenwriter who wrote it should feel embarrassed 😬😆
Those being Jenkins and Geoff Johns
My God, I thought Nostalgic Critic is the one and only angry reviewer. Looks like I've found my new fave.
You don't know Angry Joe?
Accurate review. I've been discussing the spirit roofie with members of a film review forum for days, in addition to the wasted powers scenes. Glad to see we're not the only ones.
I still find it weird that there aren't more people talking about it. That double standard is real.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 I find it weird that people are defending it, even when you bring it up and explain the case. I've heard "Gal and Patty wouldn't put that on a movie" and there aren't rules for governing spiritual ownership of a different body. I would call possession as invasive as anything could be, but they also slept together which is definitely not cool. I mean, if she gave him an STD, he still has an STD. If she's pregnant, he would fail a paternity test. Not to mention whatever else happened to his life while he was checked out.
Beyond that, I'm deeply concerned for the unaddressed top 100 actresses and any known porn star when the world's supply of 16 year olds started making their wishes all at once.
It was co-written by the guy who wrote the screenplays for Doom (2005), The Expendables Movies and Godzilla (2014). This was the first sign that this movie isn't going to be good.
I thought that the price the stone would take from Cheetah itd be her humanity and thats how she would turn into a Cheetah, but nah she gets 2 wishes.
What if Diana had gotten pregnant from that rando dude, haha - would she tell the guy she raped about a child he didn’t know he made? What if the guy was gay and didn’t want to have his body used to sex up a lady? Seriously, I mentioned this to my gay brother and he rolled his eyes and said I was reading too much into a silly movie.
Been waiting to hear your take on this
First 15 minutes pointless and redundant. it was in the 1st movie. a 15 second flashback was all that was required. they need to flesh out the magic wish granting mcguffin and maxwells awareness of it. the apex predator wish was STUPID. you will be a circus freak with people pointing at you and not get invited to parties. The f111 museum plane scene was stupid. it cant fly to cairo range 4000 miles max. pine could not fly it without some training....who was looking after mxwells kid? where was the mother?
It shouldn't be capable of flying. I read that decomissioned jets are sent to museums without the engine. Nonetheless, who leaves a fueled fughter jet around?
@@Willowy13 health and safety with thousands of gallons of fuel!!!
Why did the scene at the mall remind me of the slapstick opening of Superman III?
Pedro Pascal has severe TDS so I assume he was all about this role.
Literally didn't see the Trump parallel during the movie. Which is probably why I liked Maxwell here.
@@nm2358 I haven’t watched it but just from what the review said
@@BrandonGavin_EDC Its probably the biggest stretch of the video. Maxwell doesn't have anything in common with DJT beyond very generic comparisons that could be applied to dozens of business villians.
Maybe I just didn't find the hair that weird, since to me it looks 80s.
@@nm2358 cool well I have heard it’s not as bad as some made it out to be but with Hollywood these days everything needs to be scrutinized, specifically with how bad TDS Pedro has in real life.
@Joshua D Are we really going to pretend Maxwell's hair is uber odd for the 80s?
Ignore that their personal history of both DJT and Maxwell are totally different?
Being a television personality or a dishonest businessman in the 80s doesn't make Lord into DJT. Folks are projecting way too hard here.
DC movies really need a "Kevin Feige" to quality control their movies....
So patti basically made the movie she wanted to make he first tike without the male associates 😢
I think James Wan has shown he knows how to transform comic heroes into a great movie, why not make him the Kevin Feige of WB DCEU
The saddest part is that Maxwell Lord(at least in this movie) is an actual interesting and somewhat sympathetic villain and Pedro Pascal's performance ties it together wonderfully
His crippling fear of being seen as a failure, instilled in him by his father, has him believe that he needs to EARN people's love and respect with money and sucess.
And the fact that he throught hr needed to buy his own son's affection as well was actually really sad cause in the few scenes they share we can tell he's a single father, and a good one at that
And I'm not gonna lie, the scene where his son tells him he loves him unconditionally was the ONE time this movie actually pulled some heartstrings
But all of this just makes the movie so much worse when you realise that its the ONLY good new thing about this movie
I was somewhat appalled that Steve Trevor, WWII experienced pilot, would choose to fly the jet through the middle of a flak bombardment...among the many other oddities. This was feeling more like Wonder Woman gaining powers out of her backside the same way Rey suddenly decides she can heal things with the force, etc.
Steve Trevor was a World War One Pilot.
@@Inframan-6767 Yep, but he's still very familiar with explosives, especially since he was blown up to tiny bits by them ;)
😄😄😄😄
The rock has consequences for its wishes.
Consequence 1. Steve comes back in another body.
Consequence 2. Diana loses her powers.
Ww faces 2 consequences for 1 wish.
I thought the worst thing to happen to the world in 2020 was Covid19. Man was I wrong. This movie took a Jet and flew straight to number one.
*An invisible jet.
Patty Jenkins and Tim Burton have 3 things in common.
They had a very successful first film (Tim Burton's Batman and Patty's Wonder Woman).
And they wanted creative control over their sequels.
And their sequels made you go "WTF!?"
But... Batman Returns is good.
@Sam Calderas Batman Returns is a good movie.
Wonder Woman 1984 on the other hand is NOT!
@@hardfugoo1 Is it?
@@Horrormaster13 It has a woman come back to life after getting chewed on by cats, and then maybe have 9 lives, and maybe other skills.
I was expecting to see Diana vs Hades in this movie. But for Cheetah, one of the most villian in Wonder Woman comic books, they ruined the character story. Ugh! I guess this movie is about between her and Trump. WTF!
Maybe its just me, but I never once thought about Trump while watching the movie. When I found out people were comparing Maxwell Lord and Trump, I was surprised because I just never made the connection. I also seem to be one of the few people who liked the movie.
My cousins said their children were looking forward to this movie... I feel bad for them if there was a weird sex scene in it. Worried.
I stopped reading comics in the early '90s because I hated how they would kill off characters for an emotional impact and then turn around and resurrect popular characters.
I will not knowingly watch a superhero movie with a resurrected character. I don't believe that Diana would still be pining for Steve AFTER 60 YEARS. She barely knew him in the first film.
Sure they might have good chemistry (they did in the first film), but I draw the line at resurrecting characters.
I thought about that too. She knew Steve in the first movie for what, a week? Two weeks? And she's still messed up over losing him six decades later? Sure, they're a good couple, but holy crap, this seems like something Diana night need therapy for.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 No kidding. That's a scary level of devotion.
Aquaman being good is highly debatable.
At least it’s fun.
But It had an Octopus that could play the drums.
I didn’t get a trump parody feel from Max; it was more of an evangelical pastor type of thing. I thought the whole wishing to get ahead was part of the whole “don’t cheat to get what you want” lesson.
The reason it takes place in the ‘80’s is because that was when people like Max were putting out infomercials promoting themselves as self help gurus, who could solve your problems. So it works for the character and plot.
I thought all of those corny ‘80’s cliches at the beginning were an intentional wink toward the era. I liked the more dramatic aspects toward the end of the film. It wasn’t great but it wasn’t bad. I liked it overall.
Agreed, this film has multiple failings but parodying Trump wasn't one of them.
I thought it was one of the greatest superhero films ever made. Right up there with Christopher Nolan’s Batman and Unbreakable. Of course it’s not surprising coming from the same co-writer and director as the 2002 film Monster with Christina Ricchie and Charlize Theron.
You know you messed up when the cw supergirl show did maxwell Lord BETTER than a DCEU movie.......😒😒😒
Good god... that's so messed up.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 you think that's messed up......... Batwoman is nearly back!!!
The only reason I think they put Steve into some other body, is a nod to the 80's show 'Quantum Leap' So stupid.
The power of the wishes was just so bizarre. A wall can manifest out of nowhere in an instant. Police officers started manifesting out of nowhere to arrest Irish people. Wtf was this? Why did Steve have to appear in another mans body? Why couldn't he have just appeared out of nowhere like everything else? What happens to the guy he possessed? Was he just in limbo for a while? Why did Kristen Wiig get 2 wishes when they made it clear that people only get 1 wish? What happens if one persons wish conflicts with another? Why did Diana's powers disappear slowly but everything is appearing suddenly?
What happens when a director tries to write?
I think a lot of this was a part of the twisting of the wishes. Steve doesn't belong in that guy's body etc.
For Cheetah: I think, either because he's technically a new wishing stone, it could be a new one, or based on him saying he makes the rules he changes her wish to be something else, or she technically renounces her first wish and gets another one.
Because they had no plan. They just wanted to bring Steve back and didn't bother to iron anything else out.
I burned down my house after watching this
I don't get how this movie is supposed to make money. A lot of theaters are closed because of the pandemic and HBO Max gave it away for free to people who paid $15 for a month of content, not this movie specifically. How will any movie be a money maker if they go straight to a streaming service without paying a premium for it? Also, this movie was too long. I paid to watch it in a theater.
The whole consent thing is such a 2020 issue. In Super Hero films what happens to normals is almost never addressed and forgotten almost immediately. But, If we're going down this rabbit hole (with the rabbit's consent, of course) then we have to take into consideration other problematic points as well--and these points go hand-in-hand with any super hero flick, but are usuallyglossed over as part of the experience. 1: Wonder Woman is not an officer of the law or a member of the military. Her actions in public, ie creating significant public damage and assaulting various people are against the law. The owners of the mall didn't ask her to swoop in and start tearing shit up. By doing so she has left the mall wide open to prosecution and various civil and class action lawsuits that would in all likelihood, bankrupt the mall and land the parties involved in jail. 2: Wonder Woman's destruction of property is uninsurable. If you're a shop owner who has just had your storefront destroyed by Wonder Woman, that damage would not be insured, unless you happen to have a Super Hero clause underwritten in your policy. So, in one foray at the mall, Wonder Woman ruined the lives of countless people. So, if you want to get all truthy with the topic of consent, then you can't also shrug off the topic of real world liability. The Incredibles had it most right, where the government made the Incredibles retire because their activities were too expensive to maintain.
Personally despite the movie being boring most of the time the mixed message of the ending is what made no sense to me.
Nobody makes a selfless wish to cure their sick child/parent/lover from a deadly disease or world peace, cure for cancer etc.
Everybody makes the selfless decision to renounce their selfish wish.
And that's not even addressing the language barrier which might be resolved by mafic but was it then also brainwashing from Diana which made all the jerks in the world renounce their wish? Humans are way too selfish to simply stop being selfish, for some no matter the costs.
Also what about stuff which already happened? Like if someone just wished for a cup of coffee several days ago and he renounces his wish...would the coffee reappear? O_o Or if someone would have wished to be dead (after all many people suffer from depression across the globe) how would they even renounce their wish?
So a better ending would have been if Maxwell simply Hitlers himself and that's the reset button instead and also stops the problem from arising again, also was everyone man in black'ed in the movie or how else did the nuclear war and miracle destructions of not only new but also old missiles which had nothing to do with wishes escape the history books. Or did they "just kind of forget" in the future?
I don't think she can even convince people to wear mask, let alone renounce their wishes. Stupid ending.
That is why I love the MCU so much. Actions have consequences. By the end of Avengers, people were talking of an alien invasion, journos were discussing who were the superheros that saved earth, who was going to control them, who would cover the damage of that fight, etc. It had a rippling effect for the other movies.
In the DCEU, Superman destroyed Metropolis, but by the end of MoS he was kissing Louis like nothing happened (including a neck snap) and was making demands to help people when Superman helps because it is the right thing to do. In this movie, they wished, unwished and what about it???? How the would cope with this mess? Or nobody remembered what they wished?
@@chronoshin8597 I don't think everyone renounced their wish. I think Cheetah didn't, as far as I saw. I think Max renouncing his wish undid the wishes.
I think Max renouncing his wish is what undid all the wishes. While some, not all renounced their wish before. I think it showed Cheetah not renouncing her wish, as far as I remember seeing, and hers went away.
I don't think a lot of people would believe that magic made their wishes come true.
@@Dagenspear If Max renouncing his wish undid all the wishes then cheetah should revert back to Barbara.
WW gets her powers back and flys after she ditches her man. Let that sink in.
Yup I get it 😂
LIke with Tim Burton, they can do well when supervised but the second you give them full creative control... shit hits the fan pretty fast.
You better show up on EFAP to help Longman Mauler to tear this thing appart.
I hope that happens at some point. #fingerscrossed
Ww84...making wolverine origins great again
Oh and here's a fun thought to really make the climactic ending even more interesting. DCEU Thomas and Martha Wayne were murdered in 1981. There is a better than average chance that a 12 year old Bruce wished for his parents back after missing them for the last 3 years. Especially when you consider that the song playing over her "hey...undo all these wishes so we don't all die" speech is literally a variation of the BvS song that was played in that movies rendition of them being killed and Bruce mourning. Makes their meeting up and her not caring about the world for 100 years a little "wonky"
We had Jake Skywalker so what are we calling this one? Blunder Woman?
Btw, I also agree Cheetah could've looked a whole lot better. No transformation scene either smh
I felt asleep during that fight scene in the desert!! So till now I don't know what happened next.
This movie sucks. I had high hopes for this as I loved the first movie. The mall scene was so bad i was hoping it will get better, but it just kept getting worse. What an absolute disappointment
They got rid of the main MALE writers from the 1st movie. Why the hell did they do this??? Same thing happened when they did Superman 1 / 2 (which were good)...then switched writers for Superman 3...which was pure crap.
Richard Donner and Tom Mankiewicz are why Superman 1 was good, after they left Richard Lester was brought on and the tone of the movies changed, slapstick and comedy of Superman 3 and the theatrical cut of Superman 2.
@@Lady_Yuna I liked the original theatrical release of Superman 2...I didn't like the longer unedited version they showed on TV. Oh...and Superman 4 sucked too.
Anyone else notice Kristen Wiig's:
*Green. Screen. Glasses.*
🟩😬🟩
_Yikes_
For real? They didn’t even let her wear real glasses?
@@BrandonGavin_EDC No that's not it, they forgot to edit out the reflection of the green screen in her glasses.
@@Ki_Adi_Mundi ah lol that’s even worse.
*So the guy has sex with [Gal Godot] Wonder Woman. Where's the problem?*
Even if the guy remembers afterwards can't picture him being that upset.
"Oh no I had sex with a very beautiful amazonian woman, woe is me".
That body swap with Steve freaked me out! I kept thinking that the guy might either had a sexual transmitted disease or might have been gay 🤷🏽♀️ like wtf Steve should have just got his body back!
And what if Steve had gotten injured while doing action stuff? The guy would have woken up back in his own body with a broken leg or worse and have no idea how it even happened.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 Exactly! Then they had the audacity to let the poor guy say a few lines at the end of the movie smh
Message of the movie: "Forget your dreams, betray your love for your personal gain, be obedient little slave". Also, 1st WW was shot by Zak.
The movie was so bad, me and my grandpa walked off the edge of flat earth.
In the end fight scene cheetah and Dianna (not gal and kristen) were just enjoying tribbing and swinging on the air.
The kindest review I can give to this film is that it’s over two hours of my life that I will never get back.
I'm now uneasy for Star Wars Rogue Squadron since Patty Jenkins is spearheading that one too. I hope they wouldn't be shoving woke BS up our throats on that movie.
I actually thought that Pedro-sjw-Pascal's Max Lord was far and away the best thing in the movie.
The best thing about the movie was her childhood flashback at the beginning!🤔
I haven't seen anyone point this out but perhaps to why Steve was in another body instead of coming back in his original one was he was already back. Maybe the wish didn't work like we would think because the guy was him reincarnated and the McGuffin did the next best thing and gave him his old memories of being Steve.