BTW I can't believe you didn't point out the obvious: notice the limbs on the grub on the grubberfly's elegy. Who do they resemble? And what insect do caterpillars also happen to metamorph into. And the charm also has HOLY power.
This was a serious oversight on my part. I was aware of the idea that the grubs are connected to the Radiance, but I didn't really buy into it. If I would have bothered to actually look into it more, I would have found these few more bits of evidence like the Grub Care instructions mentioning dreams that I didn't even know about. The theory clearly has more merit than I gave it credit. To me, it just seemed like the Grubberfly shown on the charm was what the final form of a grub was. I didn't think about how the charm might just be symbolic or that the Grubberfly might be a middle stage before the Radiance. And the theory gives the Pale King an obvious reason for creating the Collector. Regardless, I should have presented this in the video anyway and told you all why I didn't agree with the theory. I realized my mistake pretty quickly when about half of the comments on this video were about the Radiance. Thanks to everyone who takes the time to comment on my videos. I really do read them all, and I am so happy I get to read so many different thoughts on the game. It's one of the best parts of doing these videos.
That might have been Team Cherry's intentions... who knows? To be fair its called the tower of love and theres cushions all over and it's pink, a common colour representing romance.
Something I've always thought was interesting is that there's never any evidence that the grubs are affected by the radiance. So maybe the pale king made the collector to capture and study the grubs to figure out why.
@@thesentry5710 I believe this is still rather sound. He may have had a plan already, but I don't believe he would have cancelled other plans that could have helped. It's better to cover all bases.
The gagging noise the Grub makes while the Collector laughs in joy, and the Collector being in the Tower of Love, seemingly obsessed with the Grubs, can only mean one thing: The Collector is force-feeding the Grubs healthy food, because the Grubfather wasn't feeding them anything except McDonalds. What a good parent.
I've gota little theory about why there's jellyfishes. I think that they're just experiments of Monomon. Using her knowledge, she tried to make organic vessels, by creating basic lifeforms using the abundant acid, to contain the infection. It resulted in several jellyfishes. Small ones, big ones, and a giant one to contain a maximum of it. Their "eggs" are also able to contain the infection. That why the jellyfishes look so out of place and not natural. They were bugmade. And maybe Monomon also made herself a jellyfish body to avoid getting struck by the infection. Why do I think this? Because all the jellyfishes hold a fraction of the infection at their core, yet they're not under the influence of the infection, as they don't actively chase the Knight. But then, why do they hurt the Knight? Well, that's probably because they were made using the acidic water found everywhere in the Teacher's Archive and/or at the Lake of Unn. Afterall, Jellyfishes uses acid to "electrocute" its preys and predators. That's just a basic and uncontrollable defense mecanism. But again, why do the cores of bigger jellyfishes chase the Knight and blow up? I think that it's because although they're passive, the infection contained at their core is still dangerous and agressive. And the core of Uumuu (the biggest jellyfish) is so powerful it actually controls Uumuu by forcefully moving around and provoking electric discharges. What do you think?
That's an interesting theory, although it runs into the problem of that many other lifeforms on the game seem to have orange bits as part of their bodies and/or weaponized fluids. So the orange bits could be natural. I'm not sure if all instances of "orange goo" are infection.
Most instances of the orange goo are infection. There's several types of orange goo: pustules, liquid goo, acid goo and lightseeds. Pustules are what appears to be the main mean of physical modifications by the infection, and appear on most infection tainted creatures. Liquid goo is what's contained inside them, it's usually harmless. Acid goo is a variant of liquid goo that is corrosive, therefore hurting the Knight and other lifeforms. The lifeseeds, finally, are pustule-like creatures that are made when the infection is too dense in the air.
I actually think the story behind the collector is pretty straightforward, and you touched on all the pieces in the video. The collector was an early attempt at creating a void being, in particular one of the guards from the white palace. The Pale King wanted to create a being that was willing to guard, i.e. protect, so he tried to instill a love for the beings of Hallownest. However, the attempt didn’t come out quite right, and instead of making a creature that loves other bugs, he made something that is obsessed with protecting them; as we can see, he’s quite clearly insane. He’s even locked in a padded room. This explains why the collector felt the need to capture not just the grubs, but also other small bugs (which can be found in jars in the Tower of Love). This also explains his dream dialogue (which I had not seen before the video) and the name of the achievement you get for defeating him- Obsession. Now why does he mostly collect grubs? Perhaps when he came across them he decided they were particularly vulnerable. That’s definitely what I thought throughout my play-through.
yeah when playing my understanding of the collector was rly that he was put in a watchtower of sorts w the bug that you find holding onto the love key, and that the two had some sort of job. considering the collector has various types of bugs in the jars, it figure he was tasked with maybe documenting them or something, considering at the top of the room theres a desk w parchment and a quill. since hes obviously a void being, i assumed that the dreamnail of the bug corpse was quite literally referring to the idea that he spent too much time with him working in the tower, and locked him in the tower before he himself died in the gardens. to me it just seems like the collector was tasked with being in the tower, as he seems sentient/intelligent enough to not only go outside of it and collect bugs, but write a full map, and probably other things considering the parchment and quill are at the top. it also wouldnt strike me as odd that the pale king would want to document different bugs, maybe to see how the radiance affected them, or to "keep them safe"
i saw a suggestion that states that since grubs seem to be unaffected by the plague maybe the collector took them so they can be studied hence the vitruvian grub drawing
Indeed, but what I find interesting here is that we see other characters die, such as (SPOILERS, obvi) Cloth, and when we come back to Cloth there is a ghost with dream particles. The text of the charm states that they are moving on to a new form, along with the achievement being "Metamorphosis". This leads me to speculate that the grubs evolve into a bug that lives in the dream world, which I suppose would lend credence to the argument that they are connected to Radiance.
Or the elegy is for the grubfather, who will die when his children burst out of his belly as grubberflies in a gender-flipped form of matriphagy. Parent insects (usually spiders) have a known history of sacrificing themselves to their babies in order to help their offspring grow.
marmu, one of the warrior dreams you can fight in queens gardens, looks a lot like a grub. but he’s huge. is this perhaps the next stage of the “metamorphosis?” or is it what happens when grubs don’t metamorphosize? marmu mentions that he can’t wait for the queen to teach him to fly, indicating that he cannot. moths can. caterpillars metamorphosize into moths. did the king make the collector to capture the grubs so they will become like marmu? unevolved, flightless, and possibly weak? perhaps the king had an agenda to make sure he saw the last of the moths.
Also Marmu is a Puss Moth caterpillar in real life! ...look up how Puss Moth's look like grown up. which is why I'm not buyin into "grubs are pre-Radiance" for now
Wesley LoL the knight has a sharp nail that cuts and shatters glass, not an ideal digging tool A grub is built to dig and move the ground but do you think those stubby little paws could shatter glass?
You: can smash glass easily but you wouldn't be able to dig deep without a shovel A mole: a jar could as well be a prison for it, spends its whole life digging
someone i guess only in this kingdom, doesn't some entity mention that the wyrms have built kingdoms for generations, and that your kingdom isn't the first they built nor the last?
My personal theory is that the grubs are divine but in a different way. 46 dots on the picture right which matches 46 grubs expect that all those dots are tied via lines to a big grub in the middle. 46 dots meet together at 1 extra grub and INSIDE it we have a holy symbol of power.... 46 grubs get eaten and thus turn into 1 all powerful thing? Now, why scatter the grubs all over the world? For safety. It is easy to break into the tower of love and so if they were all put there it would be easy to get them all back. Scatter them to the far corners and the rescuer might die to one of the many dozens of deadly traps!
@TooLateToTheStory, no I’m sorry! I genuinely don’t know what the noise is, and I wish to know, cause it sounds like that grub is getting tortured. I don’t think the collector would do that, since he loves the grubs, I dunno what. It just sounds gross, and it’s especially bad since the grub is technically an infant or child.
Have you not considered the parallels between the Collector and Hitler? Hear me out. Their names rhyme, in fantasy this is often done to draw familiarity to the reader. If I wrote about a communist dictator called "Jasmin" you'd probably immediately draw comparison to "Stalin". Hitler is seen as an embodiment of evil, and whilst it's not wise to cast someone as pure evil (as we begin to forget that it was a human being who did this and not a monster), writers will still often parallel people like Hitler with monsters. The Collector is made of void - to us people, void is more commonly associated with cosmic horror, like Lovecraft, who penned some of the most feared beasts of any mythos. In the game the Confessor talks about how he fears the void would swallow him - and the King's last resort was to use the void (though given the white supremacist undertones the "Pale King" carries - maybe it wasn't a last resort, the only "black people" in Hollow Knight were in the Abyss, sealed away by the "White King" - maybe the infection was an excuse to sneak this policy through in the chaos, I don't know - theory for another day). Void is established as causing fear, even the most powerful being feared the void - much like the most powerful leaders feared Hitler. The Collector resembles Hitler - they both have black moustaches. Writers will often keep one element of their "comparison character" the same to breed familiarity. Think about their origins, Hitler was rejected from an art school owned by Jewish staff - this meant he began to harbour a hatred for the Jews. The Collector was a reject from the King's "perfect constructs" - he wasn't fit to be a Kingsmold because of his love for art, this began to foment a hatred inside him - of grubs. Why grubs? Why not the king? Well that doesn't matter with this character - Team Cherry were connecting him to Hitler, not attempting to solidify his motives in this world. I'll show you why it's the grubs that matter... For each letter attach a number, A 1, B 2, etc. J (10) E (5) W (23) - 38 G (7) R (18) U (21) B (2) - 48 In 1938 Germany annexed Austria - this was one of the "pre-WW2 dominos" that we all talk about. In 1948 in the aftermath of WW2 there was a split in the governance of Korea - each claimed to govern the whole country. This is one of the post-WW2 conflicts that continue to this day and has a significant and profound impact on our modern life. Oh, and wouldn't you know - Koreans eat grubs. Beondegi, silkworm pupae, are sold by street vendors in Korea. That's not all. Why did the Collector keep the grubs in glass jars? If his intentions were to kill the grubs then why keep them? That's the thing, he was killing them. You can see that the grubs are breathing heavily in the jars - they are being gassed. The jars are analogous to gas chambers. The positioning of the grubs isn't related to "The Vetruvian Grub" but the positioning correlates to where Hitler erected concentration camps. If you put the piece over a map of Hitler's camps they line up almost perfectly. Had this been done during wartime it would be perfect - though with some concentration camps being destroyed, etc. it doesn't line up perfectly in modern day. What language does the Collector speak in? Well we only know he laughs - this might just be a cover. Germans are known for not laughing a lot, and Hitler was very anti-comedy, so the Collector's laugh is a red herring. I could go on and on about this, the shape of the Collector's desk, how his four arms resemble the Volkswagen logo (which Hitler famously drove), etc. but I feel I've made my point and this comment is getting long. All in all just really disappointed you didn't pick up on any of this and instead seemed to focus on inconsequential things. Though after you missed the parallels between "The Grim Troupe" and "Twilight New Moon" I should've expected that. What's the next video going to be? "DAE Hollow Knight takes place underground?" Pfft! You're an embarrassment.
to be fair, the rich husk in the Queen's Gardens who held the Love Key probably did all the 18+ things with the Collector, which is why their dream nail dialogue is "spent too long together, we became as one" and their eyes are leaking void (which is what Collector is probably made of, since I think it's an escaped Kingsmould.)
@AAAnt M maybe the father is meant to be a cocoon for his children, so they can mature. Maybe the males never grow wings, or their wings fall off after having children. Maybe the mother layed her eggs and flew of, leaving the father to act as a cocoon for metamorphosis. I'm pretty sure there's some examples of this happening in nature, but i'm to lazy to look up examples lol
Why everytime i watch some lore of hollow knight i discover new areas, like for god sake, i spen hours reading wiki pages and trying every wall, ceiling, floor and there is till more, at least is a good thing, but hell, is so annoying when u dont dicover them by yourslef
My take on the grubs and the Collector is this: The Collector was created as a failed attempt at creating a Vessel to contain the Radiance. It was imperfect but still had the desire to serve the Pale King in his task. As noted by the SERVE from the dream nail of the mold. The Collector sees the Vitruvian Grub in his wondering to preserve life and realizes the next step in the Grubs’ lifecycle is to combine 46 Grubs to form the single Grubberfly. The Collector was originally created by the Pale King to preserve individual life. That happens by containing Radiance which causes a hive mind and loss of the individual. 46 individual grabs becoming 1 Grubberfly seemed a sacrilege to the Collector’s very existence. It was created, originally, as an attempt to fight the loss of individuality and spare life. Therefore, as he has not been chosen to be the Vessel to contain the hive mind of Radiance he takes up a new quest to stop the death of the individual Grubs to form 1 Grubberfly. It is just the next step in its lifecycle. Perhaps the fall of Hollownest has decreased the grub population until only enough for 1 Grubberfly remains. The last Grubberfly that may contain the hope for the entire species. The Grubs use the Father Grub as a cocoon to become the Grubberfly. The Collector cannot have 46 individual creatures becoming 1. It is too close to The Radiance’s way of a single mind. So he scatters the Grubs in hopes to preserve their individual lives. Sealing them so they cannot return and hiding them and placing them behind obstacles and perils in the hopes they will never be reunited so that the individuals will remain. The ‘Happy’ we see when we use the dream nail... Is it the Father Grub or the individual Grubs inside him we are hearing? Either way I believe that they are being reborn as a single Grubberfly inside the Father Grub and all of them are happy that they are reunited and taking the next step in their lifecycle.
Interesting theory, however I believe the Collector is a failed kingsmould. They’re both made completely of void and about the same size. I also don’t think he could have been made to contain the Radiance as void constructs cannot be infected.
@@wiIIexists correction, being voidborn does not make you immune to infection, because this is exactly what happens to the Hollow Knight. It's the lack of an identity, of dreams or desires, that allow one to resist the temptation of radiance's happy oblivion
It might be possible that the Collector is trying to protect the Grubs and other creatures it captures from the influence of the Radiance. It would explain why it scatters them, so if one would be controlled the rest are relatively safe, and it would kinda make sense since its a void creature. Hell, it might be the Pale kings way of trying to protect them, instead of him trying to contain them. I doubt the Pale king would try to hide them instead of just killing them if that was the case.
I personally think the grubs metamorphosis would lead to another radiance, or at least the same species of moth. That's just what i got from it all though, especially since it matches up perfectly for the king wanting them all isolated.
The pale king might be trying to kill out the moth race, and thinks the grubs will turn into moths or moth like creatures if they are allowed to go through their metamorphosis, so he told the collector to capture and separate them.
The Flying Pigs Association He had the best warriors in the world, snd he used single dude made of pure void to capture them and get in some places.... i think not
Bartek Karatysz Maybe the grubs can't be killed, We never see one die, even to the creatures in deepnest, It would be more logical to separate them somewhere no one would find them, The less people new about it the better, But fair point, The king probably would have found a more effective solution, But I still think there is some relation between the moth tribe and the grubs
The Flying Pigs Association But some are protected by bugs, or hidden in the visible spots, I don't think they are hidden from people. You're right we never saw any grub dead. That is funny because whem mimic us killed he show only dead grub body. I'm very interested what could happen if grub absorbed the void.
Hey just a ,thought but, are the grubs and the moths related in some part of the game?like we know that part of the life cicle of larvae are butterflys or moths,could be the grubs be these larvae?Can it be the new generation of the moth ppl?or even more a new radiance i think(being for me a moth like god)?that would explain its importance and power and why they were traped by the radiance or the pale king
I dont have a lot of proof with this theory I could be (and most probably be) wrong or leaving some great details behind but it makes a lot of sence...
Jeez does that mean all male moths look like the Grubfather? And also can't speak? Wait, even discounting this moth theory, how do Grubfathers come into existence if all the baby grubs turn into grubberflies? Who's the _Grubmother_ !? Goddammit Hollow Knight, why ya gotta make no sense...
Maybe not all grubs become "Grubberflies" and some become "Grubfathers" and their reproduction circle is like the Seahorses, where the male (GIVES BIRTH) to the offspring
The Vitruvian Grub picture looks a bit like an electrical circuit to me. Maybe placing all the Grubs in certain places around Hallownest was supposed to cause something to happen, perhaps connected with their possible "holy power"?
I think people are forgetting that Hallownest isn’t just 2D, it’s on a 3D plane. So I think that most maps would be pretty unrecognizable to people that don’t live underground.
Wait. This is the *biggest* what if that I've ever said, but... what if grubs are just in the earliest stage of life and can eventually turn into wyrms?
The symbol on the grubs belly might represent one thing splitting into two, or two things fusing into one. And that might be a simplified version of what actually happens to the grubs, since it would be kind of hard to draw 40 circles turning into 1.
MrSingularity44 The new "Grubiance" DLC: If you have saved all the grubs in the Hallownest: After resting at a bench, return to the Grubs' room to see that Grub daddy ate all the grubs to act as a cocoon for the grubs Either attack Grub daddy or let the Grubs grow If you let Grub daddy go all the Grubs turn into Grubiances, an all powerful being able to one-shot you and has 9999999 hp If you attack Grub daddy he will become a boss that is as hard as trying to fight the Radiance and NKG at the same time when each of their attacks instakills you instead of just dealing 2 masks of dmg After you defeat Grubfather all the Grubs inside will become Grubiances anyway because you're too slow If you killed Grub dad all the Grubiances will enrage and kill you instantly If the Grubiances are enraged and you are at a bench area, once you leave the area all the Grubuances will attack you again And again And again until you fall in despair If you however let the Grub dad alone, the Grubiances will instead upgrade your Gruberflies' Elegy to Grubiances' Elegy, giving your nail infinite range and dealing 9999999% of your normal nail's damage. Oh and also, no more health restrictions
A MOTHERFUCKING PRIMAL ASPID the pale king lowers from the sky like the an inverse lorax and congratulates you on completing his ultimate goal, and then you are forced to give him the dreamer treatment siNCE WHEN IT COMES TO PALE KINGS, *THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!*
when you dream nail the collector's mold, it says "SERVE". The Collector was made by the king, so he must have been serving him, and the vitruvian grub could have actually been instructions left by the king for the collector (this part im not so sure about but the grubs being captured and put in specific places could have been necessary if the grubs were to evolve into grubberflies).
That guy Actually maybe if trained well. They can be used as new king? And collector should capture them, and at some age, train them for rulying the hallownest
I meant something more...different. Pale King,knowing that if the Grubs reached his father they would metamorphose into Wyrms,and knowing that Wyrms are similar to demi-gods,tried to capture them in order to let em live as Grubs without interfering with the kingdom,or the King. As Mossbag suggested,maybe the Pale King was afraid of the future Wyrms.
Where can I read about this Black Wyrm? And also I don't think PK considered siblings as a normal children. They were supposed to be unfeeling, unthinking vessels, who look like children for some reason.
Another interesting thing is the Collectors “love”. He wants to protect his love and that’s why the whole thing lace is made of pillows. He was overprotective of his love and didn’t want her getting hurt. And when she died and you hit her with the dream nail she says that she was too close to someone that they became one. This could also lead to him having an effect in the brain, which makes him think that everything is fragile and everything he holds close to him could be in Dane her like his love. This also caused him to go crazy and not be normal which would explain him manically laughing before the fight and then you hear the grub gag. Also, if the grub did gag that means it would have gotten hurt or even died. Meaning maybe Th e source of power in the grubs was having all the grubs together which would explain why the father grub eats them all. To combine.But this does not happen because of the one grub that dies. And then when you dream nail the father grub he says “happy! Happy! Happy!!!!!” So maybe now he has a taste for grub which now concludes in not wanting to get the last grub (even though he couldn’t anyway) but want to eat the grubs. Also if his love had been in love with the Collector and her eyes did have void leaking out then that would mean not only that the void had feeling, but that this indeed was a failed experiment from the pale king. Except he was not experimenting for another hollow shell to reincarnate into, he was looking for new knights that had nothing to love or feel. But he failed and when you dream nail where the Collector was made it says “SERVE”. This was from the collector. His only purpose at first being to serve the pale king and protect. But then he found his love. And then he not only was over protective but crazy and was now over protective on anyone in anyway that they were dear to him. The grubs being held dear in some way that they could not be infected, and were tested by the pale king. And the collector being crazy and having feeling and purpose had developed a love for these things and loved them. But was also afraid of what they could create. So he did either 1. He was afraid of their power and scattered them around the map or 2. Wanted to protect the from the pale king and being tested on. One more thing that I thought was important to include is that when you think about it all of this is related to the Collector being another experiment and is jealous of us (the knight) being a success. Which is why he has a similar mask to ours.
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What you said about the Collector possibly being the Pale King's first shade creature and the Collector's dream nail dialogue got me thinking. Maybe during their creation the Collector was imbued, possibly by accident, with the king's desire to protect and preserve Hollownest but for some reason over time this ideal was slowly warped resulting in the boss that the player ends up fighting. I can't really explain the Vitruvian Grub though, perhaps merely a product of a shade creature gone mad...and access to chalk.
Great video, hope you dont mind if i add my own little thoughts :) Im a noob when it comes to lore so im gonna try to stick to things we know from the game instead of reading into the Vitruvian Grub picture I think the Collector, while being obsessed with them, not only hid the Grubs himself, but took further steps to ensure no-one will ever find them. I asked Team Cherry on the AMA how the Collector got the map and they told me he made it himself (Well, it is called "Collectors Map" but i wanted to be sure xD). So that highly implies that he set up all 46 Grubs to be where they are, not just found a map with their location. This is implied further since some Grubs are protected by Moss Knights, Husk Guards or even Great Husk Sentries, and the Gate won't open until they die. The Husk Guard journal says that instinct drives it to still guard its post so most likely the one protecting the Grub was ordered to do so before the infection. Since the Collector (i assume, i really have no idea) probably doesnt have that authority it mightve been the Pale King which would tie into the stuff you said in the vide. Also, the Grub Mimics, while they can imitate Grubs, most likely didn't place themselves in the Collectors trademark glass containers, next to real Grubs, almost as if the Collector wanted to scare adventurers away from freeing any Grubs they may come across...though i have no idea why there's one at the Colloseum. If the Collector just wanted to preserve them, is it really necessary to do all this? Why go to this length instead of barricading all of them inside his Tower? It's obvious he is interested in them, so it's not like he would suffer from that option. So whatever the reason is i think the thing he wanted least is for all of them to be freed. And why he doesn't kill them can only be explained by his natural fascination for it. I would compare his feelings (which im only assuming w/ 0 evidence ofc) to playing with fire.. he really doesnt want the fire to spread and become uncontrollable but its too warm and beautiful to put out. Also another thing that freaks me out (beside the Mimic in the Colloseum) is that there are indeed 46 dots, matching the number of collectable Grubs on the Vitruvian Grub thing... but if you read the description for the Mimics the Hunter says this; "Luring an enemy close by pretending to be a weak little grub. Very cunning! Unfortunately for them, I can eat these grubs as soon as I see them." So... we might not have freed all the Grubs there are. At least one was probably eaten by the Hunter, which sort of explains the very arbitrary number of 46 Grubs. This brings up the question; how does the Elder Grub know that we have found all Grubs there are to find... since he starts the Metamorphosis immediatly after 46 Grubs as if those were all that ever existed (which the Journal Entry really does not imply). And since everything implies they're a biological species. The Grubberfly Charm *pictures* a Butterfly-like Grub with 8 Wings, which for me destroys any theories that the Grubs evolve into Moths like the Seer or anything in-game. Also, after a little research on Butterfly Metamorphosis, i think that they are definitely supposed to evolve into one. Apparently Caterpillars digest their own cells (or you could say, they eat themselves) to form the parts that are soon-to-be Butterflies. From an article; "Once the larva reaches its final moult and begins its metamorphosis, strange things happen to its body. Cells in the larva’s muscles, gut and salivary glands are digested and act as spare parts for the soon-to-be butterfly. Each cell is programmed to self-destruct through the activation of enzymes called caspases." The caspases tear through the cell’s proteins, releasing prime butterfly-making material. Were it not for the juvenile hormone, this could have happened at any time killing the caterpillar. Instead, nature programmed the hormone to lower in levels at exactly the right moment, when metamorphosis is ripe." Also, considering the Radiance, probably the strongest being in Hollow Knight, is a moth i can see why 46 Butterflies being born, which are supposedly very similar to Moths, would be insane. So to sum up my thoughts; Collector (and by extension maybe Pale King (?)) is scared of Butterflies being born and so hides the Grubs (though don't ask my why he doesn't just kill the Elder Grub) but doesn't kill them because they're cute and beautiful. Grubs will most likely turn into really powerful butterflies (not that we didnt already know that). Metamorphosis is hardcore Also the ending is 10/10 as always lmao
Just looked at my Hunters Journal bc the wiki entry seemed weird to me... and yep they had a typo. He actually says "Unfortunately for them, I can eat these grubs as soon as i see them", not "I can eat them". So that turns it from a implication into... basically confirmed, based on the wording. I also edited the page to be corrected o/
Personally, I think it's a biological formula. All of the lines are connecting to the one center grub, and the whole thing looks to me like a diagram or blueprint, so here's my theory, based on evidence and speculation provided by you and the video: It's not that there are only the 36 grubs you save, or that there always have been, but rather that that's all that's necessary. My theory is that all of the grubs need to combine together, either using the grubfather as a cocoon or combine with him as well, to provide the concentration of energy needed for the birth of a butterfly. I like the idea that butterflies may be equivalent to moths like Radiance, and it would make sense for it to take massive amounts of the grubs' "holy power" to create a new being of that kind of power, perhaps roughly 36x what you could get from a single grub? You did mention they effectively eat themselves inside their cocoons, so what if all of the grubs feed themselves to the grubfather to perform a much larger version of the same process that requires a facilitator, such as the grubfather himself? Tl;dr the vitruvian grub looks suspiciously like an alchemical or scientific formula, so I suspect 36 grubs need to be gathered together to combine and perform the metamorphosis into a single Radiant-equivalent butterfly.
By the looks of it, I think the pale king was trynna make a grub out of the void. Like _"the hollow grub"_ or something. It didn't fail but it grew obsessed with its own kind. Because they share the same anatomy, you know six legs and all. That's probably the reason why collector is trying to save them, which _given the collector's intellect_ makes perfect sense to hide them in weird parts of the world inside a jar. This implies that the Vitruvian grub is a map designed by the collector itself such that he could find his pals throughout the world. _(it's not accurate, but again, consider his intellect here.)_ The reason the middle grub is different is that it represents the collector. _Born of god and void._ If you think the whole video this way, it drastically changes how we look at all the information in the video. Can you re-do this video again from the perspective of *The Hollow Grub* ? That'd be great.
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I think the Pale King knew of the metamorphosis of the grubs and knows in what they will become, maybe something evil? maybe a future boss fight? I think that's why he created the collector.
What if the vitruvian grub picture is showing the collector to place the grubs around the world and maybe if you do that you can do some massive ritual to gain some sort of holy strength.
What if all the grubs "merge" inside the grandfather's belly and then come out as this vitruvian grub creature????? 🤷 Hollow knight isn't a stranger for being morbid XD
I just realized something. The Seer is basically a fly, possibly a grubberfly. Maybe the grub mother. Before she ascends, she mentions that her people were the servants of the Radiance, and calls out to the Radiance as she disappears. This must be why the king wanted the grubs detained, and studied. To understand the Radiance through their connection, and either how to leverage their connection to soul and essence, or to destroy the Radiance if necessary.
What if the collector (who is attempting to keep living specimens of every creature in the Hallownest safe from the infection by keeping them in jars), realized that grubs were immune to the infection and scattered them all about the Hallownest, making traps and convincing monsters/guardians to keep them safe until they hopefully grow up and defeat the radiance.... The next dlc ‘grubiance’ the radiance returns and you will have you harness the power of the new ‘grubberflies’ to defeat the radiance for real, before realizing that grubs are actually baby radiance and you have to rush around the map again, defeating 46 “unique” Grubberfly grubiance thingies.....
Looking at this again, I think the collector might be right again because look at the name of the Charm The Grubberfly Elegy. An Elegy is a poem of serious reflection, typically a lament for the dead. So, it's a charm representing the poem lamenting the death of the Grubberfly
Isnt it very possible that the grubs final form is somehow related to the radiance or possibly they become the radiance or something? Just think about it. It is confirmed that the pale king made the collector and his mould's dream nail dialogue is "serve", so there's a high chance that he was collecting em on the king's behalf. (And we know that the king was mainly using the powers of the void to counter the radiance so there must be some connection between the radiance and the grubs) And the final charm we get is imbued with holy energy and the wings are very similar to that of the radiance. And from the beginning no particular reason is there to save the grubs except that they look cute and helpless. ( I personally saved them for reward purposes But many others collected them for completion purposes or they wanted to send them home or whatever but nonetheless many people save them all). So isn't it possible that team cherry used our OCD as a clever way to make us unintentionally create the next radiance? I know it is very far-fetched but I feel that every thing lore related that team cherry put in this game was important and I cannot see any other reason why they would give the collector's mould the dream dialogue they did give.
have you ever noticed that near of the lake of unn theres the same balls with holes where the grubs live, but theyre empty? and in one of the lore tablets in greenpath, it refers that "The green kids" are "sleeping" and have to ascend or something, going back to they original home in dreamworld(i guess) it fits so perfectly that it hurts (sorry bout my english, it isnt my mother tongue xd)
Since the collector is obsessed with protecting people, it may have been created initially to protect people from the infection/radiance. It doesnt put just grubs in jars, but everything he can find. It would fit for a malfunctioning hero behaviour. The king clearly doesnt want people to know about the collector, with how the tower is located and used, all sound proof and stuff, at least thats why he put it there.
Whatttt Christmas came early I didn’t even know it! Nice to see more interesting and hilarious videos from you! These are all very plausible theories. I would like to know more about the bug who had the key. Was he meant to hide the key far away from the tower of love and so close to the White Lady? And why did he and the Collector spend so much time together? Why would a void creature and a bug noble interact. Or maybe the bug owned the tower of love originally and the king made him contain the Collector who was a run away void creature with too much sentience?
That got way too emotional at 2:30. That image. The realization that the tower of love is about fusion. That depressing tone black fluid coming out of their eyes... Still love the admiration how the game put so much lore on this stuff. You can see already that Team Cherry knows how to do lore, proving that with this video. And compliments to Mossbag, for a short exploration about the Collectors mind! Sometimes it's nice to find interesting good summed up theories that is not followed by Matpat
My theory is that the grubs have some kind of hidden power or magic (witch we have established) and thus makes them extremely valuable and the Collector is trying to do 1 of 2 things. 1) It is trying to take the power for Itself or 2) It is trying to keep the grubs safe from the infection because of their value. BTW cant wait for DLC 3! It looks like it's gonna be awesome!
What if the grubs are connected to Songstress Marrisa? Grubs turn into butterflies, Marissa seems to be the only butterfly in the game, she is also dead and nothing but a dream inprint aka soul remains of her, butterflies are known for their beauty, Collector is a weirdo that collects grubs because he wants a pretty butterfly lady by his side?
I think the collector was made by the pale king to help gather up as many bugs as possible in order to do some sort of evacuation, which also explains both the royal retainers (they might think the pale king chose them to save) and the dream nail dialogue for the mold used for the collector (...SERVE...), and that evacuate thing leads to the dream realm, where the pale king ran away to with the saved bugs, along with the -moulds.
The vetruvian grub really reminds me of magic circles the fact that in matches up to things deliberately places out there in hallownest makes me think of the "nation-sized alchemy circle" in FMAB It's probably got absolutely nothing to do with it but hey, it's an interesting parallel
But what if the collector was only putting grubs in jars to protect them from Grubfather OR the coming infection itself? Since we don’t really have a sense of time of how long the collector has been collecting, and the grubs have been in jars, Because it’s still a coin toss in my opinion of what grub fathers actual intent was with eating them (his own form of putting them in a jar/protection? Or merely to further only HIS metamorphosis, I feel like becoming a cocoon for 46 kids seems like a really weird way to wanna “die happy”) if it was to protect them from the infection/radiance I can kinda get behind that *BUT* he never leaves the cave so he has 0 idea of anything going on outside of it, at least from what it appears to be. which is also weird considering 1 door over the entire room is eventually infected and there’s not a hint of it in the room, but if it was to protect or keep them from the grub father I feel like it makes a little more sense.. why did the Grubfather never leave to go searching for them? Is it because of the sadness of missing them? Or is it the selfishness of missing a meal? Is he just not tryna to go around searching for them because lazy? Cause we’ve clearly met many other characters who have no problem traversing the kingdom for their own reasons. And yet When you free the grubs you clearly see they burrow and very obviously know how to get back to the grub den. So why wouldn’t grub father, upon seeing 1 grub return be inspired to go search for more? Maybe to stay and continue to keep a watchful eye, but It’s not like a side quest or any confirming/denying to continue to find them for him was ever expressed. He just says “Happy happy happy” with some dreamnail dialogue. You just find a grub and think “oh hey I wonder what the big crying grub will think of this.” And to me a load of geo, artifacts and even some pale ore and a charm of what obviously looks like HIS next stage in being a grub, not the babies, seems like a pretty nice “hush hush” kinda payment, For everything that goes on *without* having any real context of what’s happening to the babies. OR him eating them all is literally how a grubberfly is made and now they are a collective of minds in one body almost.. a higher being? Like I know the radiance is just a big ol dream obsessed moth. But how big would a Grubberfly be? And with it having “Holy imbued strength” in the charm itself, how holy and powerful would a Grubberfly be? Enough for at the time before collecting them that the pale king may have seen what they become as a threat? Or just because the collector went mad and felt he had to keep collecting to “protect or preserve” the few creatures you see him break out of jars during his fights. Speaking of which, was the collector fooled by the mimic grubs? or was this also another reason for putting them in jars to stop whatever mimics are possibly out there to stop from expanding their population? Since I’m pretty sure the only other grub mimic is in the coliseum. Maybe the mimic grubs were in search of the grub father as well, could you imagine after freeing all the grubs and returning to the cave only to find out that Grubfather was a mimic all along and that’s why he ate them.. ya know disregarding the possibility of context from the charm, but yeah.
Grubberfly's Elegy reminds me a lot of the Master Sword's beam (Legend of Zelda). Requires full health, considered a "holy light", you know? It just randomly hit me while I was using it. If full health wasn't always a prerequisite, I'll add that the only LOZ game I've had the chance to indulge in is Breath of the Wild.
I believe that the Collector was a prototype kingsmould, and thus, created with the intent to protect. But what it was meant to protect was not made clear, so it kinda just went off the rails and started kidnapping bugs to protects them.
The alchemical symbol on the grub’s chest being similar the alchemical device that Grimm uses has me so excited for whatever team cherry is cooking up.
I have a dirty thought Its called the tower of love The bug holding the key mentions too much time spent together They died of void exposure Good bye my friends
BTW I can't believe you didn't point out the obvious: notice the limbs on the grub on the grubberfly's elegy. Who do they resemble? And what insect do caterpillars also happen to metamorph into. And the charm also has HOLY power.
This was a serious oversight on my part. I was aware of the idea that the grubs are connected to the Radiance, but I didn't really buy into it. If I would have bothered to actually look into it more, I would have found these few more bits of evidence like the Grub Care instructions mentioning dreams that I didn't even know about. The theory clearly has more merit than I gave it credit.
To me, it just seemed like the Grubberfly shown on the charm was what the final form of a grub was. I didn't think about how the charm might just be symbolic or that the Grubberfly might be a middle stage before the Radiance. And the theory gives the Pale King an obvious reason for creating the Collector.
Regardless, I should have presented this in the video anyway and told you all why I didn't agree with the theory. I realized my mistake pretty quickly when about half of the comments on this video were about the Radiance. Thanks to everyone who takes the time to comment on my videos. I really do read them all, and I am so happy I get to read so many different thoughts on the game. It's one of the best parts of doing these videos.
Welp I guess the grubs are the Gods of Hollow nest now. Praise the Grub!
@Mossbag: No worries. The vid was still amazing. Very entertaining.
Omg this is what the new expansion is about
Eoindaniel Murphy you could ve right.
My favorite part of the collector is how if you die in the fight he puts your shade in a jar
That is how i lost over 5k geo :)
@@Golem_theundead Just break the jar
@@J3009 i placed my dreamgate just outside the battle area + i didnt know that my shade would he in a jar ;^;
@@Golem_theundead I DID THE SAME THING AND LOST 4K GEO
That was an amazing detail
Tbh I thought I was gonna see something "inappropriate" when I was heading into the tower of love because of all the laughing.
XD
That might have been Team Cherry's intentions... who knows? To be fair its called the tower of love and theres cushions all over and it's pink, a common colour representing romance.
S U C C
@@KaydenCook-lt7lc it cost you nothing to not say that.
*and yet you did*
I mean the collector is naked after all
Something I've always thought was interesting is that there's never any evidence that the grubs are affected by the radiance. So maybe the pale king made the collector to capture and study the grubs to figure out why.
That makes wayyyy too much sense i think youre spot on man
OML BRO ur on to something here...
But wouldn't he put them in a lab, rather than in jars scattered everywhere?
but if he had already started experimenting with void then that means he was already planning to seal away the radiance, no?
@@thesentry5710 I believe this is still rather sound. He may have had a plan already, but I don't believe he would have cancelled other plans that could have helped. It's better to cover all bases.
The gagging noise the Grub makes while the Collector laughs in joy, and the Collector being in the Tower of Love, seemingly obsessed with the Grubs, can only mean one thing:
The Collector is force-feeding the Grubs healthy food, because the Grubfather wasn't feeding them anything except McDonalds. What a good parent.
Had us in the first half jot gonna lie
Fucking worms in the asshole
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin no!
I knew that the Collector was a health enthusiast. So slender and energetic. Goals, my friend.
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
I've gota little theory about why there's jellyfishes. I think that they're just experiments of Monomon. Using her knowledge, she tried to make organic vessels, by creating basic lifeforms using the abundant acid, to contain the infection. It resulted in several jellyfishes. Small ones, big ones, and a giant one to contain a maximum of it. Their "eggs" are also able to contain the infection.
That why the jellyfishes look so out of place and not natural. They were bugmade. And maybe Monomon also made herself a jellyfish body to avoid getting struck by the infection.
Why do I think this? Because all the jellyfishes hold a fraction of the infection at their core, yet they're not under the influence of the infection, as they don't actively chase the Knight.
But then, why do they hurt the Knight? Well, that's probably because they were made using the acidic water found everywhere in the Teacher's Archive and/or at the Lake of Unn. Afterall, Jellyfishes uses acid to "electrocute" its preys and predators. That's just a basic and uncontrollable defense mecanism.
But again, why do the cores of bigger jellyfishes chase the Knight and blow up? I think that it's because although they're passive, the infection contained at their core is still dangerous and agressive. And the core of Uumuu (the biggest jellyfish) is so powerful it actually controls Uumuu by forcefully moving around and provoking electric discharges.
What do you think?
That's an interesting theory, although it runs into the problem of that many other lifeforms on the game seem to have orange bits as part of their bodies and/or weaponized fluids. So the orange bits could be natural. I'm not sure if all instances of "orange goo" are infection.
Most instances of the orange goo are infection. There's several types of orange goo: pustules, liquid goo, acid goo and lightseeds. Pustules are what appears to be the main mean of physical modifications by the infection, and appear on most infection tainted creatures. Liquid goo is what's contained inside them, it's usually harmless. Acid goo is a variant of liquid goo that is corrosive, therefore hurting the Knight and other lifeforms. The lifeseeds, finally, are pustule-like creatures that are made when the infection is too dense in the air.
Hmm a orb like creature that was genetically engineered to fight off a parasite, where have I heard this before?
Also makes sense because when you dream nail them, the big ones are thinking "MONOMON" and the small ones are thinking "Monomon"
she just really liked super metroid, and wanted some metroids.
I actually think the story behind the collector is pretty straightforward, and you touched on all the pieces in the video.
The collector was an early attempt at creating a void being, in particular one of the guards from the white palace. The Pale King wanted to create a being that was willing to guard, i.e. protect, so he tried to instill a love for the beings of Hallownest. However, the attempt didn’t come out quite right, and instead of making a creature that loves other bugs, he made something that is obsessed with protecting them; as we can see, he’s quite clearly insane. He’s even locked in a padded room. This explains why the collector felt the need to capture not just the grubs, but also other small bugs (which can be found in jars in the Tower of Love). This also explains his dream dialogue (which I had not seen before the video) and the name of the achievement you get for defeating him- Obsession.
Now why does he mostly collect grubs? Perhaps when he came across them he decided they were particularly vulnerable. That’s definitely what I thought throughout my play-through.
This is honestly he best theory so far
That would explain why it’s called the tower of love and why it’s practically hidden from the city. this theory makes so much sense!
yeah when playing my understanding of the collector was rly that he was put in a watchtower of sorts w the bug that you find holding onto the love key, and that the two had some sort of job. considering the collector has various types of bugs in the jars, it figure he was tasked with maybe documenting them or something, considering at the top of the room theres a desk w parchment and a quill. since hes obviously a void being, i assumed that the dreamnail of the bug corpse was quite literally referring to the idea that he spent too much time with him working in the tower, and locked him in the tower before he himself died in the gardens. to me it just seems like the collector was tasked with being in the tower, as he seems sentient/intelligent enough to not only go outside of it and collect bugs, but write a full map, and probably other things considering the parchment and quill are at the top. it also wouldnt strike me as odd that the pale king would want to document different bugs, maybe to see how the radiance affected them, or to "keep them safe"
i saw a suggestion that states that since grubs seem to be unaffected by the plague maybe the collector took them so they can be studied hence the vitruvian grub drawing
@@machinegirl03 another idea i have is that maybe grubs evolve into moths, which is why they are being captured who knows
An Elegy btw is a poem that venerates the dead.
So probably the little grub bois are gonna eat their grubberdad :(
Indeed, but what I find interesting here is that we see other characters die, such as (SPOILERS, obvi)
Cloth, and when we come back to Cloth there is a ghost with dream particles. The text of the charm states that they are moving on to a new form, along with the achievement being "Metamorphosis". This leads me to speculate that the grubs evolve into a bug that lives in the dream world, which I suppose would lend credence to the argument that they are connected to Radiance.
Or the elegy is for the grubfather, who will die when his children burst out of his belly as grubberflies in a gender-flipped form of matriphagy. Parent insects (usually spiders) have a known history of sacrificing themselves to their babies in order to help their offspring grow.
@Tony do you english bro?
Damn you're right....
I thought they'd just burst out of his body or something, but they might do that too :(
"You can even hear the grub gagging at one point"
*spits out tea*
Wait thats illegal
@@SomeSpicyRice no. Bad.
The triforce of internet 🛑
The triforce of internet I don’t know if I would call that love. More like the tower of unwanted and un-consensual imprisonment.
Did you bring the rubber?
Uh no....
*spots grub*
marmu, one of the warrior dreams you can fight in queens gardens, looks a lot like a grub. but he’s huge. is this perhaps the next stage of the “metamorphosis?” or is it what happens when grubs don’t metamorphosize? marmu mentions that he can’t wait for the queen to teach him to fly, indicating that he cannot. moths can. caterpillars metamorphosize into moths.
did the king make the collector to capture the grubs so they will become like marmu? unevolved, flightless, and possibly weak? perhaps the king had an agenda to make sure he saw the last of the moths.
Also Marmu is a Puss Moth caterpillar in real life! ...look up how Puss Moth's look like grown up. which is why I'm not buyin into "grubs are pre-Radiance" for now
The glass jars make it hard for them to breathe
@@VaryaTheVillain This might just be me, but the Puss Moth photos I found look just a little but similar to the Seer.
Isaac Stoor cool theory
Marmu probably wouldn't be related to Grubs lore-wise, he's a kickstarter character. He would probably be independent.
The knight: can break glass but not the ground
Grub: can dig through rock but can’t break glass
*SEEMS LEGIT*
Wesley LoL the knight has a sharp nail that cuts and shatters glass, not an ideal digging tool
A grub is built to dig and move the ground but do you think those stubby little paws could shatter glass?
You: can smash glass easily but you wouldn't be able to dig deep without a shovel
A mole: a jar could as well be a prison for it, spends its whole life digging
*perfectly balanced, as all things should be*
If the grubs and the knight team up, they could accomplish anything
if they would create a cool ass duo they might as well be unstopable
what if the "next stage" of a grub's life is to become...
A wyrm.
or a moth
Or a grub father
naw the wyrms went extinct
someone i guess only in this kingdom, doesn't some entity mention that the wyrms have built kingdoms for generations, and that your kingdom isn't the first they built nor the last?
Oh SHIT
My personal theory is that the grubs are divine but in a different way.
46 dots on the picture right which matches 46 grubs expect that all those dots are tied via lines to a big grub in the middle.
46 dots meet together at 1 extra grub and INSIDE it we have a holy symbol of power....
46 grubs get eaten and thus turn into 1 all powerful thing?
Now, why scatter the grubs all over the world? For safety. It is easy to break into the tower of love and so if they were all put there it would be easy to get them all back. Scatter them to the far corners and the rescuer might die to one of the many dozens of deadly traps!
That sounds plausible. Lets see if Gods & Glory will bring some answers.
@@cogigo spoiler alert: No
@@articdrugs1061 Did I say Gods and Glory?I ment Silksong. . . :-P
@@cogigo Seems unlikely but i'll preach just in case hehe
It feels like they were spread on purpose so they wouldnt complete the metamorphosis
I just really wanna know what the Collector was doing with a Grub before his fight, with the gagging bit just... irking me.
Feeding it healthy food
He's such a good parent
@TooLateToTheStory.... dude. NO! No no no no no-
@TooLateToTheStory, no I’m sorry! I genuinely don’t know what the noise is, and I wish to know, cause it sounds like that grub is getting tortured. I don’t think the collector would do that, since he loves the grubs, I dunno what. It just sounds gross, and it’s especially bad since the grub is technically an infant or child.
He was probably examining it, can you imagine how easy itnwould be to do age checks on animals with two arms to hold and two arms to pry the mouth
Science
Ok, but why tf are they gagging
P̷s̷y̷c̷h̷o̷ B̷a̷b̷e̷ Grub sex
Its called the tower of love for a reason...
This is horrifying
Jesus this game keeps getting darker and darker the more you dig deeper into it
well if you look at it their mouths are perfectly shaped with extra padding of lips
So, no one is going to talk about how the grub father just kept crying there for probably years??
i can relate
@@astrylleaf you all right bro?
@@batscove the person who wrote that is gone now
Have you not considered the parallels between the Collector and Hitler?
Hear me out.
Their names rhyme, in fantasy this is often done to draw familiarity to the reader. If I wrote about a communist dictator called "Jasmin" you'd probably immediately draw comparison to "Stalin".
Hitler is seen as an embodiment of evil, and whilst it's not wise to cast someone as pure evil (as we begin to forget that it was a human being who did this and not a monster), writers will still often parallel people like Hitler with monsters. The Collector is made of void - to us people, void is more commonly associated with cosmic horror, like Lovecraft, who penned some of the most feared beasts of any mythos.
In the game the Confessor talks about how he fears the void would swallow him - and the King's last resort was to use the void (though given the white supremacist undertones the "Pale King" carries - maybe it wasn't a last resort, the only "black people" in Hollow Knight were in the Abyss, sealed away by the "White King" - maybe the infection was an excuse to sneak this policy through in the chaos, I don't know - theory for another day). Void is established as causing fear, even the most powerful being feared the void - much like the most powerful leaders feared Hitler.
The Collector resembles Hitler - they both have black moustaches. Writers will often keep one element of their "comparison character" the same to breed familiarity.
Think about their origins, Hitler was rejected from an art school owned by Jewish staff - this meant he began to harbour a hatred for the Jews. The Collector was a reject from the King's "perfect constructs" - he wasn't fit to be a Kingsmold because of his love for art, this began to foment a hatred inside him - of grubs.
Why grubs? Why not the king? Well that doesn't matter with this character - Team Cherry were connecting him to Hitler, not attempting to solidify his motives in this world. I'll show you why it's the grubs that matter...
For each letter attach a number, A 1, B 2, etc.
J (10) E (5) W (23) - 38
G (7) R (18) U (21) B (2) - 48
In 1938 Germany annexed Austria - this was one of the "pre-WW2 dominos" that we all talk about. In 1948 in the aftermath of WW2 there was a split in the governance of Korea - each claimed to govern the whole country. This is one of the post-WW2 conflicts that continue to this day and has a significant and profound impact on our modern life.
Oh, and wouldn't you know - Koreans eat grubs. Beondegi, silkworm pupae, are sold by street vendors in Korea.
That's not all.
Why did the Collector keep the grubs in glass jars? If his intentions were to kill the grubs then why keep them?
That's the thing, he was killing them. You can see that the grubs are breathing heavily in the jars - they are being gassed. The jars are analogous to gas chambers.
The positioning of the grubs isn't related to "The Vetruvian Grub" but the positioning correlates to where Hitler erected concentration camps. If you put the piece over a map of Hitler's camps they line up almost perfectly. Had this been done during wartime it would be perfect - though with some concentration camps being destroyed, etc. it doesn't line up perfectly in modern day.
What language does the Collector speak in? Well we only know he laughs - this might just be a cover. Germans are known for not laughing a lot, and Hitler was very anti-comedy, so the Collector's laugh is a red herring.
I could go on and on about this, the shape of the Collector's desk, how his four arms resemble the Volkswagen logo (which Hitler famously drove), etc. but I feel I've made my point and this comment is getting long.
All in all just really disappointed you didn't pick up on any of this and instead seemed to focus on inconsequential things. Though after you missed the parallels between "The Grim Troupe" and "Twilight New Moon" I should've expected that.
What's the next video going to be?
"DAE Hollow Knight takes place underground?"
Pfft! You're an embarrassment.
The Sea Of Thy Soul this is a god-teir shitpost
Best comment ever made on the internet
what.the.fuck did you just write...
Reminiscity The truth.
I bow to you, oh master of the shit-post
Hollow Knight: Grubsong
Think about it
I mean, the grubs are able to borrow underground and fast travel. So I don't know how good exploration would be if they let them keep that
No.
@@trophemancer7327 It could be like Steamworld Dig
@Sans ironic, the man named sans doesn't get the pun
I don't get it either
When I walked into the tower of love for the first time and heard the noises the collector was making, my mind went in a whooole different direction
I was like "nooo" as I just left, it was so creepy
to be fair, the rich husk in the Queen's Gardens who held the Love Key probably did all the 18+ things with the Collector, which is why their dream nail dialogue is "spent too long together, we became as one" and their eyes are leaking void (which is what Collector is probably made of, since I think it's an escaped Kingsmould.)
Wait, isn't that singing ghost in the pleasure house a butterfly?
grubs have the holy power to make a grown man cry because of some music
The wings on the Grubberfly on the Grubberflys Elegy looks like the Radiances wings. They might grow into moths instead of butterflys.
AAAnt M true. Didn’t think of that
@AAAnt M maybe the father is meant to be a cocoon for his children, so they can mature. Maybe the males never grow wings, or their wings fall off after having children. Maybe the mother layed her eggs and flew of, leaving the father to act as a cocoon for metamorphosis. I'm pretty sure there's some examples of this happening in nature, but i'm to lazy to look up examples lol
Antonio m exactly what I thought
Why everytime i watch some lore of hollow knight i discover new areas, like for god sake, i spen hours reading wiki pages and trying every wall, ceiling, floor and there is till more, at least is a good thing, but hell, is so annoying when u dont dicover them by yourslef
And there is still another free expansion and the Hornet DLC incoming, so...
You still have chances for that.
Just when you think you've discovered everything, there's a random obscure room like this...
I know the feeling, there's just too many things hidden in the game, too many little dark spots or breakable walls one can easily overlook...
I've spoiled so many things for myself that I think I hampered my enjoyment of the game. But at least there is still that hornet dlc.
I had NO idea this room existed. I never tought to explore the tower of love.
My take on the grubs and the Collector is this:
The Collector was created as a failed attempt at creating a Vessel to contain the Radiance. It was imperfect but still had the desire to serve the Pale King in his task. As noted by the SERVE from the dream nail of the mold.
The Collector sees the Vitruvian Grub in his wondering to preserve life and realizes the next step in the Grubs’ lifecycle is to combine 46 Grubs to form the single Grubberfly.
The Collector was originally created by the Pale King to preserve individual life. That happens by containing Radiance which causes a hive mind and loss of the individual.
46 individual grabs becoming 1 Grubberfly seemed a sacrilege to the Collector’s very existence. It was created, originally, as an attempt to fight the loss of individuality and spare life.
Therefore, as he has not been chosen to be the Vessel to contain the hive mind of Radiance he takes up a new quest to stop the death of the individual Grubs to form 1 Grubberfly.
It is just the next step in its lifecycle. Perhaps the fall of Hollownest has decreased the grub population until only enough for 1
Grubberfly remains. The last Grubberfly that may contain the hope for the entire species.
The Grubs use the Father Grub as a cocoon to become the Grubberfly. The Collector cannot have 46 individual creatures becoming 1. It is too close to The Radiance’s way of a single mind.
So he scatters the Grubs in hopes to preserve their individual lives.
Sealing them so they cannot return and hiding them and placing them behind obstacles and perils in the hopes they will never be reunited so that the individuals will remain.
The ‘Happy’ we see when we use the dream nail... Is it the Father Grub or the individual Grubs inside him we are hearing?
Either way I believe that they are being reborn as a single Grubberfly inside the Father Grub and all of them are happy that they are reunited and taking the next step in their lifecycle.
I like that theory
Interesting theory, however I believe the Collector is a failed kingsmould. They’re both made completely of void and about the same size. I also don’t think he could have been made to contain the Radiance as void constructs cannot be infected.
@@wiIIexists correction, being voidborn does not make you immune to infection, because this is exactly what happens to the Hollow Knight. It's the lack of an identity, of dreams or desires, that allow one to resist the temptation of radiance's happy oblivion
@@ShadowProclamation11 or if you're insane enough and has some other desires.
Cool
It might be possible that the Collector is trying to protect the Grubs and other creatures it captures from the influence of the Radiance. It would explain why it scatters them, so if one would be controlled the rest are relatively safe, and it would kinda make sense since its a void creature. Hell, it might be the Pale kings way of trying to protect them, instead of him trying to contain them. I doubt the Pale king would try to hide them instead of just killing them if that was the case.
I personally think the grubs metamorphosis would lead to another radiance, or at least the same species of moth. That's just what i got from it all though, especially since it matches up perfectly for the king wanting them all isolated.
@@CalaTec yeah, no
@@CalaTec highly doubt that
Honestly this theory makes the most sense and its not too complicated soooo
Doesn’t he also trap the infected flys though. In his fight he drops the infected flys down from the ceiling in the jars
“Turns out it was this four-armed motherfucker” had me dying 😂😂
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The pale king might be trying to kill out the moth race, and thinks the grubs will turn into moths or moth like creatures if they are allowed to go through their metamorphosis, so he told the collector to capture and separate them.
That does seem to add up, good observation!
The Flying Pigs Association He had the best warriors in the world, snd he used single dude made of pure void to capture them and get in some places.... i think not
Bartek Karatysz
Maybe the grubs can't be killed,
We never see one die, even to the creatures in deepnest,
It would be more logical to separate them somewhere no one would find them,
The less people new about it the better,
But fair point,
The king probably would have found a more effective solution,
But I still think there is some relation between the moth tribe and the grubs
The Flying Pigs Association But some are protected by bugs, or hidden in the visible spots, I don't think they are hidden from people. You're right we never saw any grub dead. That is funny because whem mimic us killed he show only dead grub body. I'm very interested what could happen if grub absorbed the void.
Bartek Karatysz
If a grub was absorbed by the void we would have the coolest boss in the game
GET ON IT TEAM CHERRY 🍒
what if the collector was trying to fight the infection by presurving life in jars. the grubs are special somehow so he prioritizes them
Probably because their holy power protects them from the infection
The obsession might very well be tied to the infection, as the Grubs seem to be one of the only bugs who can't get infected (we know Mantises can)
why does he have jars with infected bugs?
Hey just a ,thought but, are the grubs and the moths related in some part of the game?like we know that part of the life cicle of larvae are butterflys or moths,could be the grubs be these larvae?Can it be the new generation of the moth ppl?or even more a new radiance i think(being for me a moth like god)?that would explain its importance and power and why they were traped by the radiance or the pale king
I dont have a lot of proof with this theory I could be (and most probably be) wrong or leaving some great details behind but it makes a lot of sence...
Jeez does that mean all male moths look like the Grubfather? And also can't speak? Wait, even discounting this moth theory, how do Grubfathers come into existence if all the baby grubs turn into grubberflies? Who's the _Grubmother_ !? Goddammit Hollow Knight, why ya gotta make no sense...
Maybe not all grubs become "Grubberflies" and some become "Grubfathers" and their reproduction circle is like the Seahorses, where the male (GIVES BIRTH) to the offspring
Yeah... Grubs are beatle larvae, not butterflies or moths, tho.
@@andrew_cunningham Male moths (actual moths) exist in-game, though. The most notable one is Markoth, the ghost that you fight in Kingdom's Edge.
The Vitruvian Grub picture looks a bit like an electrical circuit to me. Maybe placing all the Grubs in certain places around Hallownest was supposed to cause something to happen, perhaps connected with their possible "holy power"?
I wonder how the Vitruvian Grub image would line up with the stag station map?
I think people are forgetting that Hallownest isn’t just 2D, it’s on a 3D plane. So I think that most maps would be pretty unrecognizable to people that don’t live underground.
Wait. This is the *biggest* what if that I've ever said, but...
what if grubs are just in the earliest stage of life and can eventually turn into wyrms?
The symbol on the grubs belly might represent one thing splitting into two, or two things fusing into one. And that might be a simplified version of what actually happens to the grubs, since it would be kind of hard to draw 40 circles turning into 1.
@Alfie Ho This comment is 3 years old. Begone
grub is baby radiance
Can't wait for the coming DLC where we have to fight 46 Radiances at the same time. It's gonna be great!
MrSingularity44
The new "Grubiance" DLC:
If you have saved all the grubs in the Hallownest:
After resting at a bench, return to the Grubs' room to see that Grub daddy ate all the grubs to act as a cocoon for the grubs
Either attack Grub daddy or let the Grubs grow
If you let Grub daddy go all the Grubs turn into Grubiances, an all powerful being able to one-shot you and has 9999999 hp
If you attack Grub daddy he will become a boss that is as hard as trying to fight the Radiance and NKG at the same time when each of their attacks instakills you instead of just dealing 2 masks of dmg
After you defeat Grubfather all the Grubs inside will become Grubiances anyway because you're too slow
If you killed Grub dad all the Grubiances will enrage and kill you instantly
If the Grubiances are enraged and you are at a bench area, once you leave the area all the Grubuances will attack you again
And again
And again until you fall in despair
If you however let the Grub dad alone, the Grubiances will instead upgrade your Gruberflies' Elegy to Grubiances' Elegy, giving your nail infinite range and dealing 9999999% of your normal nail's damage. Oh and also, no more health restrictions
@@kinganonymous2672 and if you just defeat the grubiances with hacks?
A MOTHERFUCKING PRIMAL ASPID the pale king lowers from the sky like the an inverse lorax and congratulates you on completing his ultimate goal, and then you are forced to give him the dreamer treatment siNCE WHEN IT COMES TO PALE KINGS, *THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!*
The grubs being a from of Radiance is absurd, most likely not gonna happen.
when you dream nail the collector's mold, it says "SERVE". The Collector was made by the king, so he must have been serving him, and the vitruvian grub could have actually been instructions left by the king for the collector (this part im not so sure about but the grubs being captured and put in specific places could have been necessary if the grubs were to evolve into grubberflies).
Welp what if grubs turn up to metamorphose into Wyrms?
And Pale King was aware of it,so he made The Collector?
That guy Actually maybe if trained well. They can be used as new king? And collector should capture them, and at some age, train them for rulying the hallownest
I meant something more...different.
Pale King,knowing that if the Grubs reached his father they would metamorphose into Wyrms,and knowing that Wyrms are similar to demi-gods,tried to capture them in order to let em live as Grubs without interfering with the kingdom,or the King.
As Mossbag suggested,maybe the Pale King was afraid of the future Wyrms.
@Deserve Not Desire i dont think he was afraid of killing kids
Where can I read about this Black Wyrm? And also I don't think PK considered siblings as a normal children. They were supposed to be unfeeling, unthinking vessels, who look like children for some reason.
@@DeathKitta Hunter's Journal on White Defender.
Another interesting thing is the Collectors “love”. He wants to protect his love and that’s why the whole thing lace is made of pillows. He was overprotective of his love and didn’t want her getting hurt. And when she died and you hit her with the dream nail she says that she was too close to someone that they became one.
This could also lead to him having an effect in the brain, which makes him think that everything is fragile and everything he holds close to him could be in Dane her like his love.
This also caused him to go crazy and not be normal which would explain him manically laughing before the fight and then you hear the grub gag.
Also, if the grub did gag that means it would have gotten hurt or even died. Meaning maybe Th e source of power in the grubs was having all the grubs together which would explain why the father grub eats them all. To combine.But this does not happen because of the one grub that dies. And then when you dream nail the father grub he says “happy! Happy! Happy!!!!!” So maybe now he has a taste for grub which now concludes in not wanting to get the last grub (even though he couldn’t anyway) but want to eat the grubs.
Also if his love had been in love with the Collector and her eyes did have void leaking out then that would mean not only that the void had feeling, but that this indeed was a failed experiment from the pale king. Except he was not experimenting for another hollow shell to reincarnate into, he was looking for new knights that had nothing to love or feel. But he failed and when you dream nail where the Collector was made it says “SERVE”. This was from the collector. His only purpose at first being to serve the pale king and protect. But then he found his love. And then he not only was over protective but crazy and was now over protective on anyone in anyway that they were dear to him. The grubs being held dear in some way that they could not be infected, and were tested by the pale king. And the collector being crazy and having feeling and purpose had developed a love for these things and loved them. But was also afraid of what they could create. So he did either 1. He was afraid of their power and scattered them around the map or 2. Wanted to protect the from the pale king and being tested on.
One more thing that I thought was important to include is that when you think about it all of this is related to the Collector being another experiment and is jealous of us (the knight) being a success. Which is why he has a similar mask to ours.
I really like this theories. You have a really nice voice for this kinda stuff. I would even say that I'd like to see you playing the Hornet update when it comes out, I just really want to see more stuff from you, dude. Anyhow, you have my faith in you and your channel. Like what you're doing
What you said about the Collector possibly being the Pale King's first shade creature and the Collector's dream nail dialogue got me thinking. Maybe during their creation the Collector was imbued, possibly by accident, with the king's desire to protect and preserve Hollownest but for some reason over time this ideal was slowly warped resulting in the boss that the player ends up fighting. I can't really explain the Vitruvian Grub though, perhaps merely a product of a shade creature gone mad...and access to chalk.
0:53 I 100% thought he was gonna say: "that's just a theory, a game theory"
The grubs kinda looks like Luna Moth Larva. Between that and the "Holy Power" I assume that the grubs have some sort of godlike connection.
Great video, hope you dont mind if i add my own little thoughts :) Im a noob when it comes to lore so im gonna try to stick to things we know from the game instead of reading into the Vitruvian Grub picture
I think the Collector, while being obsessed with them, not only hid the Grubs himself, but took further steps to ensure no-one will ever find them. I asked Team Cherry on the AMA how the Collector got the map and they told me he made it himself (Well, it is called "Collectors Map" but i wanted to be sure xD). So that highly implies that he set up all 46 Grubs to be where they are, not just found a map with their location. This is implied further since some Grubs are protected by Moss Knights, Husk Guards or even Great Husk Sentries, and the Gate won't open until they die. The Husk Guard journal says that instinct drives it to still guard its post so most likely the one protecting the Grub was ordered to do so before the infection. Since the Collector (i assume, i really have no idea) probably doesnt have that authority it mightve been the Pale King which would tie into the stuff you said in the vide. Also, the Grub Mimics, while they can imitate Grubs, most likely didn't place themselves in the Collectors trademark glass containers, next to real Grubs, almost as if the Collector wanted to scare adventurers away from freeing any Grubs they may come across...though i have no idea why there's one at the Colloseum.
If the Collector just wanted to preserve them, is it really necessary to do all this? Why go to this length instead of barricading all of them inside his Tower? It's obvious he is interested in them, so it's not like he would suffer from that option. So whatever the reason is i think the thing he wanted least is for all of them to be freed. And why he doesn't kill them can only be explained by his natural fascination for it. I would compare his feelings (which im only assuming w/ 0 evidence ofc) to playing with fire.. he really doesnt want the fire to spread and become uncontrollable but its too warm and beautiful to put out.
Also another thing that freaks me out (beside the Mimic in the Colloseum) is that there are indeed 46 dots, matching the number of collectable Grubs on the Vitruvian Grub thing... but if you read the description for the Mimics the Hunter says this;
"Luring an enemy close by pretending to be a weak little grub. Very cunning! Unfortunately for them, I can eat these grubs as soon as I see them."
So... we might not have freed all the Grubs there are. At least one was probably eaten by the Hunter, which sort of explains the very arbitrary number of 46 Grubs. This brings up the question; how does the Elder Grub know that we have found all Grubs there are to find... since he starts the Metamorphosis immediatly after 46 Grubs as if those were all that ever existed (which the Journal Entry really does not imply). And since everything implies they're a biological species. The Grubberfly Charm *pictures* a Butterfly-like Grub with 8 Wings, which for me destroys any theories that the Grubs evolve into Moths like the Seer or anything in-game. Also, after a little research on Butterfly Metamorphosis, i think that they are definitely supposed to evolve into one. Apparently Caterpillars digest their own cells (or you could say, they eat themselves) to form the parts that are soon-to-be Butterflies. From an article;
"Once the larva reaches its final moult and begins its metamorphosis, strange things happen to its body. Cells in the larva’s muscles, gut and salivary glands are digested and act as spare parts for the soon-to-be butterfly. Each cell is programmed to self-destruct through the activation of enzymes called caspases."
The caspases tear through the cell’s proteins, releasing prime butterfly-making material. Were it not for the juvenile hormone, this could have happened at any time killing the caterpillar. Instead, nature programmed the hormone to lower in levels at exactly the right moment, when metamorphosis is ripe."
Also, considering the Radiance, probably the strongest being in Hollow Knight, is a moth i can see why 46 Butterflies being born, which are supposedly very similar to Moths, would be insane.
So to sum up my thoughts; Collector (and by extension maybe Pale King (?)) is scared of Butterflies being born and so hides the Grubs (though don't ask my why he doesn't just kill the Elder Grub) but doesn't kill them because they're cute and beautiful. Grubs will most likely turn into really powerful butterflies (not that we didnt already know that). Metamorphosis is hardcore
Also the ending is 10/10 as always lmao
Just looked at my Hunters Journal bc the wiki entry seemed weird to me... and yep they had a typo. He actually says "Unfortunately for them, I can eat these grubs as soon as i see them", not "I can eat them". So that turns it from a implication into... basically confirmed, based on the wording.
I also edited the page to be corrected o/
If you don't whant to read it all. Just read the last part. It is a summary of what he thinks.
That's a lot of speculation for a noob. If that turns out to be true, bravo. If not, well bravo too. To come up with a pretty feasible theory is hard.
Personally, I think it's a biological formula. All of the lines are connecting to the one center grub, and the whole thing looks to me like a diagram or blueprint, so here's my theory, based on evidence and speculation provided by you and the video:
It's not that there are only the 36 grubs you save, or that there always have been, but rather that that's all that's necessary. My theory is that all of the grubs need to combine together, either using the grubfather as a cocoon or combine with him as well, to provide the concentration of energy needed for the birth of a butterfly. I like the idea that butterflies may be equivalent to moths like Radiance, and it would make sense for it to take massive amounts of the grubs' "holy power" to create a new being of that kind of power, perhaps roughly 36x what you could get from a single grub? You did mention they effectively eat themselves inside their cocoons, so what if all of the grubs feed themselves to the grubfather to perform a much larger version of the same process that requires a facilitator, such as the grubfather himself?
Tl;dr the vitruvian grub looks suspiciously like an alchemical or scientific formula, so I suspect 36 grubs need to be gathered together to combine and perform the metamorphosis into a single Radiant-equivalent butterfly.
That makes sense!
The way I see the padding is that it resembles an insane padded cell, due to the collector kinda being insane with the laughing and all.
The collector captures (saves) creatures from the infection. Not the grubs from their father
By the looks of it, I think the pale king was trynna make a grub out of the void. Like _"the hollow grub"_ or something.
It didn't fail but it grew obsessed with its own kind. Because they share the same anatomy, you know six legs and all.
That's probably the reason why collector is trying to save them, which _given the collector's intellect_ makes perfect sense to hide them in weird parts of the world inside a jar. This implies that the Vitruvian grub is a map designed by the collector itself such that he could find his pals throughout the world. _(it's not accurate, but again, consider his intellect here.)_
The reason the middle grub is different is that it represents the collector. _Born of god and void._ If you think the whole video this way, it drastically changes how we look at all the information in the video.
Can you re-do this video again from the perspective of *The Hollow Grub* ? That'd be great.
for 5 the hollow knight took in the infection and grew the same way the traitor lord did
Pure Vessel kinda contradicts that, though, don't they?
@@Dinoman972 it definitely does, but I believe this comment was made before Godmaster released.
"A creepy black monster stealing children"
*Should I be concerned about that sentence?*
Yea
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The pale King probably tasked the collector in preserving hallownests wildlife, but he probably went crazy and only focused on grubs.
The Hollow Knight grubs have always been my favorite, they are adorable. They even say "help me..."
6:46 Kirby’s calling the police
That collector laugh at the beginning cracked me up.
And we are still waiting for that “DLC”
Sill wating
@@pixelblitz8087 i think we're still waiting?
@@redsprinkle yes yes we are
I think the Pale King knew of the metamorphosis of the grubs and knows in what they will become, maybe something evil? maybe a future boss fight? I think that's why he created the collector.
Possibly...Moths?
*X Files Theme Song starts playing
Lol illuminati
I imagine fighting 46 Radiances
the horror...
Grubs have capability to grow into moths.
Let that sink in...
...and you got the puzzle finished
0:13 I hate that I know where this is from
What if the vitruvian grub picture is showing the collector to place the grubs around the world and maybe if you do that you can do some massive ritual to gain some sort of holy strength.
when I heard the laughing in the tower of love before I could get there, I thought it was literally just bugs fuckin lmao
What if all the grubs "merge" inside the grandfather's belly and then come out as this vitruvian grub creature?????
🤷
Hollow knight isn't a stranger for being morbid XD
is the radiance just a adult grub in its grubber fly form?
The radiance is a moth though, not a grubberfly-
7:47 im happy never mind DEPRESSION
I love when people edit in little memes for less than a second it kinda feels like he’s having fun making the video and it’s not a chore editing
5:05
Grubfather: delicious! Finally, some good f**king food
I just realized something. The Seer is basically a fly, possibly a grubberfly. Maybe the grub mother. Before she ascends, she mentions that her people were the servants of the Radiance, and calls out to the Radiance as she disappears. This must be why the king wanted the grubs detained, and studied. To understand the Radiance through their connection, and either how to leverage their connection to soul and essence, or to destroy the Radiance if necessary.
"You can actually hear a grub gagging..."
I'm sorry, but fucking excuse me?!?!?!
if team cherry gave us the answers to question 8 and 13 there would be no mysteries left in life
Where's the theory for question 13?
the fact that i completed this game and yet i can never find the vetruvian grub painting makes me so mad
I kept thinking that the Collector was trying to sexually harass them... the gagging... the creepy laughing. It's literally called the "Love Tower".
the collector was basically Noah's ark, collect one of each bug in hallownest including the grubs to save them from the infection
What if the collector (who is attempting to keep living specimens of every creature in the Hallownest safe from the infection by keeping them in jars), realized that grubs were immune to the infection and scattered them all about the Hallownest, making traps and convincing monsters/guardians to keep them safe until they hopefully grow up and defeat the radiance....
The next dlc ‘grubiance’ the radiance returns and you will have you harness the power of the new ‘grubberflies’ to defeat the radiance for real, before realizing that grubs are actually baby radiance and you have to rush around the map again, defeating 46 “unique” Grubberfly grubiance thingies.....
Looking at this again, I think the collector might be right again because look at the name of the Charm
The Grubberfly Elegy.
An Elegy is a poem of serious reflection, typically a lament for the dead.
So, it's a charm representing the poem lamenting the death of the Grubberfly
Isnt it very possible that the grubs final form is somehow related to the radiance or possibly they become the radiance or something? Just think about it. It is confirmed that the pale king made the collector and his mould's dream nail dialogue is "serve", so there's a high chance that he was collecting em on the king's behalf. (And we know that the king was mainly using the powers of the void to counter the radiance so there must be some connection between the radiance and the grubs) And the final charm we get is imbued with holy energy and the wings are very similar to that of the radiance. And from the beginning no particular reason is there to save the grubs except that they look cute and helpless. ( I personally saved them for reward purposes But many others collected them for completion purposes or they wanted to send them home or whatever but nonetheless many people save them all). So isn't it possible that team cherry used our OCD as a clever way to make us unintentionally create the next radiance? I know it is very far-fetched but I feel that every thing lore related that team cherry put in this game was important and I cannot see any other reason why they would give the collector's mould the dream dialogue they did give.
That 13th mystery at the end is one for the ages man. Been trying to solve it myself for years
have you ever noticed that near of the lake of unn theres the same balls with holes where the grubs live, but theyre empty? and in one of the lore tablets in greenpath, it refers that "The green kids" are "sleeping" and have to ascend or something, going back to they original home in dreamworld(i guess) it fits so perfectly that it hurts (sorry bout my english, it isnt my mother tongue xd)
The hunter says he he eats the ones he finds
Since the collector is obsessed with protecting people, it may have been created initially to protect people from the infection/radiance. It doesnt put just grubs in jars, but everything he can find. It would fit for a malfunctioning hero behaviour. The king clearly doesnt want people to know about the collector, with how the tower is located and used, all sound proof and stuff, at least thats why he put it there.
What if the grubs become butterflies that can rival the radiance’s power?
Nerf the grubs
I particularly like reason 8 and 13 at the end of the video, thanks for putting those in there as I have the same questions
4 vids and 3k subs. Lets go man !
Whatttt Christmas came early I didn’t even know it! Nice to see more interesting and hilarious videos from you!
These are all very plausible theories. I would like to know more about the bug who had the key. Was he meant to hide the key far away from the tower of love and so close to the White Lady? And why did he and the Collector spend so much time together? Why would a void creature and a bug noble interact. Or maybe the bug owned the tower of love originally and the king made him contain the Collector who was a run away void creature with too much sentience?
11:20 look at number thirteen.
Hol up
D:
LOL "except maybe for missouri"
oh my gosh this man has the same sense of humor as me
*Except maybe for Missouri*
Ok what is that supposed to mean! I don’t often eat kids!
ur vids are really funny and entertaining, I guess I love these speculation and mystery vids on my fav games a lot. keep it up
3:13 are you using.... Deep focus?
I TOLD YOU FANDOM, I TOLD YOU THAT I WASNT THE ONLY ONE TO USE DEEP FOCUS
That got way too emotional at 2:30. That image. The realization that the tower of love is about fusion. That depressing tone black fluid coming out of their eyes...
Still love the admiration how the game put so much lore on this stuff. You can see already that Team Cherry knows how to do lore, proving that with this video. And compliments to Mossbag, for a short exploration about the Collectors mind! Sometimes it's nice to find interesting good summed up theories that is not followed by Matpat
My guess: the Collector laid out traps for the grubs, but hadn’t.....
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*Collected* them yet
My theory is that the grubs have some kind of hidden power or magic (witch we have established) and thus makes them extremely valuable and the Collector is trying to do 1 of 2 things. 1) It is trying to take the power for Itself or 2) It is trying to keep the grubs safe from the infection because of their value. BTW cant wait for DLC 3! It looks like it's gonna be awesome!
What if the grubs are connected to Songstress Marrisa? Grubs turn into butterflies, Marissa seems to be the only butterfly in the game, she is also dead and nothing but a dream inprint aka soul remains of her, butterflies are known for their beauty, Collector is a weirdo that collects grubs because he wants a pretty butterfly lady by his side?
I think the collector was made by the pale king to help gather up as many bugs as possible in order to do some sort of evacuation, which also explains both the royal retainers (they might think the pale king chose them to save) and the dream nail dialogue for the mold used for the collector (...SERVE...), and that evacuate thing leads to the dream realm, where the pale king ran away to with the saved bugs, along with the -moulds.
The collector is obviously playing and feeding with the grubs and the reason why the grubs gag is because the collector is feeding them too much
The vetruvian grub really reminds me of magic circles
the fact that in matches up to things deliberately places out there in hallownest makes me think of the "nation-sized alchemy circle" in FMAB
It's probably got absolutely nothing to do with it but hey, it's an interesting parallel
But what if the collector was only putting grubs in jars to protect them from Grubfather OR the coming infection itself? Since we don’t really have a sense of time of how long the collector has been collecting, and the grubs have been in jars, Because it’s still a coin toss in my opinion of what grub fathers actual intent was with eating them (his own form of putting them in a jar/protection? Or merely to further only HIS metamorphosis, I feel like becoming a cocoon for 46 kids seems like a really weird way to wanna “die happy”) if it was to protect them from the infection/radiance I can kinda get behind that *BUT* he never leaves the cave so he has 0 idea of anything going on outside of it, at least from what it appears to be. which is also weird considering 1 door over the entire room is eventually infected and there’s not a hint of it in the room, but if it was to protect or keep them from the grub father I feel like it makes a little more sense..
why did the Grubfather never leave to go searching for them? Is it because of the sadness of missing them? Or is it the selfishness of missing a meal? Is he just not tryna to go around searching for them because lazy? Cause we’ve clearly met many other characters who have no problem traversing the kingdom for their own reasons.
And yet When you free the grubs you clearly see they burrow and very obviously know how to get back to the grub den. So why wouldn’t grub father, upon seeing 1 grub return be inspired to go search for more? Maybe to stay and continue to keep a watchful eye, but It’s not like a side quest or any confirming/denying to continue to find them for him was ever expressed. He just says “Happy happy happy” with some dreamnail dialogue. You just find a grub and think “oh hey I wonder what the big crying grub will think of this.”
And to me a load of geo, artifacts and even some pale ore and a charm of what obviously looks like HIS next stage in being a grub, not the babies, seems like a pretty nice “hush hush” kinda payment, For everything that goes on *without* having any real context of what’s happening to the babies.
OR him eating them all is literally how a grubberfly is made and now they are a collective of minds in one body almost.. a higher being?
Like I know the radiance is just a big ol dream obsessed moth. But how big would a Grubberfly be? And with it having “Holy imbued strength” in the charm itself, how holy and powerful would a Grubberfly be? Enough for at the time before collecting them that the pale king may have seen what they become as a threat? Or just because the collector went mad and felt he had to keep collecting to “protect or preserve” the few creatures you see him break out of jars during his fights. Speaking of which, was the collector fooled by the mimic grubs? or was this also another reason for putting them in jars to stop whatever mimics are possibly out there to stop from expanding their population? Since I’m pretty sure the only other grub mimic is in the coliseum. Maybe the mimic grubs were in search of the grub father as well, could you imagine after freeing all the grubs and returning to the cave only to find out that Grubfather was a mimic all along and that’s why he ate them.. ya know disregarding the possibility of context from the charm, but yeah.
I guess that pale king wanted to capture grubs becouse they are like moth or something or they are like a little raindance
Grubberfly's Elegy reminds me a lot of the Master Sword's beam (Legend of Zelda). Requires full health, considered a "holy light", you know? It just randomly hit me while I was using it. If full health wasn't always a prerequisite, I'll add that the only LOZ game I've had the chance to indulge in is Breath of the Wild.
11:19 The 10th subject maybe the Trilobite Shrine/Statue we see in Deepnest. It might have been built as an homage to the now deceased king.
I believe that the Collector was a prototype kingsmould, and thus, created with the intent to protect. But what it was meant to protect was not made clear, so it kinda just went off the rails and started kidnapping bugs to protects them.
6:11 "It's all just part of the beauty of nature." *doesn't proceed to play a snippet of the "Kane scene"*
Son, I am disappoint.
The alchemical symbol on the grub’s chest being similar the alchemical device that Grimm uses has me so excited for whatever team cherry is cooking up.
The only info I'm getting from this picture is that despite having reached 111% I apparently haven't seen half of what the game has to offer.
I have a dirty thought
Its called the tower of love
The bug holding the key mentions too much time spent together
They died of void exposure
Good bye my friends
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