Romani chib vs Lambani jib, so far geographically but still the similarities are remarkable, this is part 2, I posted some more similar words a few months ago so definitely check that one out too! This shows how resilient Romani people are, after 1000 years apart and so many laws and efforts to ban and destroy our language, we still keep our Indian language strong to this day.
@@florida.florian and some of our dialects retain even older original words replaced by non Indian ones. Example..Sinti ...Hamaskri...xamaskri...for table....others like Lovari say mesali
I wish for romani and sinthi to be one of the first, if not the first stateless nation: 1. Representing themselves in EXPO 2. Being their own representation in the Olympics and Paralympics, as themselves
@@florida.florian Well done for doing the research, as a linguist it can be easy to confuse words for being related when they arent but these are some great examples
That's so cool Florian! I am so impressed to know the similarities! 😮 Please share more such videos! Even those Romani words that you mentioned are similar in Hindi & Punjabi as well. Like : Divas (hindi), Viyah (punjabi), dand (punjabi), kon, Kha, De, Mar (both).
Thats so cool! Since Romani is an Indo-European language I see the similarities too: New| Romani: Nove Russian: Novy Spanish: Nuevo Tooth| Romani: Dand Italian: Dent Dutch: Tand Give| Romani: De Portuguese: Dar Romanian: Da Sleep| Romani: Soven Swedish: Sove Danish: Sove
Your videos caught my attention at first and soon tured into fascination for the entire Romani people. It fascinating you traced your roots. Hope whenever your come to India it feels like home coming ❤
This is linguistic evolution in real time. Amazing to learn about and also shows the connection other languages have. B and V as letters have a close connection in some languages.
As someone who speak Scandoromani we say: "New" = "Nevo" "Day" = "Dives" "Daughter" = "Ćhej" "Wedding" = *Couldn't find word* "Tooth" = "Dan" "Stomach" = "Belsing" "Who" = "So" (Technically "What" but can be used for "Who") "Eat" = "Kha" "All" = "Sas" "Warm" = "Tatro" "Give" = "Dokha" Uncle = "Dado" for both uncles, "Dadophral" (Dad's brother) "Dejiphral" (Mom's brother) We = Vošnos Y'all = Ešnos Come = Ava Good = Lacho Sleep = Domna or Súta "Beat = "Daba" "Girl" = " Ćhej" for Roma, "Rakli" for non-Roma Coin = "Lovo" To grammatically inflect these words use Swedish grammatical rules.
Thanx for these common words. I oncec searched for European Roma & Indian tribe links, but assumed maybe Pakistani baloch tribes might relate with it bcoz there are just vlogs about how they live, pagan gods, some had a god image looking similar to God shiva, and people just conceded that they were brought from India around 9-10th century i.e. when Sindh region in Pakistan was under Iraq & Turkish Warlords & they couldn't attack India bcoz of Roma-Tribal Republic Stronghold as a kingdom, namy Gurjar- Pratihar Kingdom. Invasions started once this kingdom broke into small parts and but no slaves wwre taken - all heads massacred upto Delhi. #Thanks for sharing this. Unlike Israel's Victimhood policy carried by West, nobody talks about Ro a who were put in chambers too alongside them. And just like in India with Banjaras, Roma too didn't westernise or remained excluded bcoz of Church controlled Western system & racism.
In the end all humans on earth came from about 10000 people that survived some great calamity about 10000-15000 years ago that wiped out most of humanity and if you think about it, everything alive on earth is a cousin as our DNA shows. I like that thought. We are all family living on a tiny bubble in the deep infinite blackness of space, each alone in ourselves but experiencing this brief moment of existence together. Its a bittersweet realization. Life is so short and fraught but that's what makes it precious beyond words can express. Love to all my brothers and sisters on this tiny blue dot.
It would be nice to hear these done slower so we can hear them clearer and catch the fine details. Was a neat video and hope to see some more about language shift!
The words that differ with a or o endings remind me of the a or o endings in spanish. It's so interesting to see how tkme can change a lamguage and branch into something completely new.
Duuude this is way cool! Man, I love linguistics. This is, I'm sure, 99,99% unrelated etymologically to the Banjara language, but 'pet' in French means fart (the noun). Tmyk!
I'd be interested in knowing if the grammar is also similar. If the grammar is the same, could someone reasonably speak in one language to someone who knows the other and be generally understood?
Hi Florian. Recent genetic studies suggested Romani People descendt from a the tribes of "untouchables" or sheduled castes - collectively knowns as "domba" people in northwest india in punjab. that they descendt from the tribe of banjara in rajasthan do you think that is really true? can we know after over thousand years for sure which "village in india" exactly the romani where from or are all of these just speculations? Thank you. Im Romani myself and I love your videos and follow you.
All Indians have the same ge nes, cas tes are nothing but professions. So called untouchables are not a different ra ce, so those gene tic stud ies are a lie.
If someone tried to speak Hindi with a Romani person, would the latter understand it a little bit and if so, how much, like 30-50%? Is there maybe more similarity with Gujarati or Marwari?
It’s very similar to Bengali as well! day- dives- dibosh (Bangla). Marriage- biyav- Biye/biya (Bangla). Tooth- dand- dand (Bangla). stomach- pet- pet (Bangla). Who- kon- K. Eat- kha- kha. Give - de- de. Uncle- Kako - Kaka. Beating- mar- mar/ maro.
They like to call themselves gypsies as "romani" can get confused with Romanian. They've since forever been calling themselves gypsies and they're proud of it.
so they were a nomadic people in india and then migrated as they had always done only getting "stuck" in some European countries? Also it's fascinating how these two languages just show the IndoEuropean roots of so many languages which have similar words
What do you mean in "some european countries"? As If Europe is some sort of dump we ended up, Europe is a continent like any other, with people with both good and Bad Intentions, it's not that other continents are so good, no matter in What continent we are, there are gonna be both nice and not very nice people. Doesn't matter Europe, Africa or Asia and etc.
@@fiedelmina you just think I am not calm because it's text, and we tend to exaggerate with imagining the Person's Emotions. It was just weird cuz I See many spread h@teful comments on Europe as If it's the only B a d continent and the rest of the continents are pure. Which is weird, yes in Europe Lots of B a d stuff happened, but other continents are also no better, just trying to Highlight that everywhere can be b@d, not only in Europe
@@mangopudding5979 @mangopudding5979 oh, then the Russian Word (a European language) for brother (брат/ brat) totally accidentaly has similarity with the Sanskrit Word भ्रातृ or *bhrAtR* , and oh interesting it's similar to the English Word, Brother, another European language, similar to Greek *phrater* , another *European* language; another example: Let's Take the english Word Foot🦵🏼: In Greek is - pod In Latin is- ped In Sanskrit-पाद (pāda) How come they are not connected if there are similarities as shown above? Languages have connection because people for centuries interacted in one way or another to eachother, thus, all language can have one common ancestral language, just how all of us humans have one common ancestor where the whole humanity began. It's called Indo-European because european languages have words of Sanskrit origin, the ancient language of India, if you want to become separate, your choice, but the evidences have another opinion, surely it doesn't mean that All languages are mutually intelligible, but rather have Lots in common, despite their differences. Just like in my language, Romanian in some sort of way the Word for Enemy happened to be Dușman (Dushman like in Hindi, which originally is a Persian Word دشمن (došman). No offence, but whether you consider Indo-European a Thing or not, the connection between languages you can't deny
@florida.florian I would really love to see you meet with a Lambani or Hindi speaker to compare more words and even try to understand sentences from each other's language, like they do on some yt channels. 😊
I came across a restaurant in a resort town offering "gypsy flamenco" but as far as I can tell the musician is not romany, do you think it is worth calling this business/musician out over it's cultural appropriation?
Linguistically and genetically banjaras/lambanis and roma are different. Roma's linguistic brothers are panjabi and hindi . There is classification of indo-aryan language family tree, you can see that there. Lambanis have foreign origin, they are the the one with highest r1b haplogroup in india(nearly 40%).
The banjara language is similar to punjabi be it spoken in india or pakistan. SubhanAllah the lord Allah created his humans and languages, just as humans are alike so are the languages!
@florida.florian because you're about as Roma as I am a cactus. You might have the same skin tone but you're an American stop acting like you have any association with the European gypsies
It’s very similar to Hindi too. It’s so interesting to understand the cultural and linguistic evolution of a people who were a part of us:)
Yes, and Urdu ❤
Of course it’s going to be similar to Hindi. They are languages from the same land deriving from Sanskrit.
@@dshe8637urdu is farsi arbi words with hindi grammer and sentence.
@sb5026-w5y yes
Romani chib vs Lambani jib, so far geographically but still the similarities are remarkable, this is part 2, I posted some more similar words a few months ago so definitely check that one out too! This shows how resilient Romani people are, after 1000 years apart and so many laws and efforts to ban and destroy our language, we still keep our Indian language strong to this day.
@@florida.florian and some of our dialects retain even older original words replaced by non Indian ones. Example..Sinti ...Hamaskri...xamaskri...for table....others like Lovari say mesali
@@florida.florian akani rakhjom aver kurso learn lambani language....adai pre YT...dikh but lacho hi
I wish for romani and sinthi to be one of the first, if not the first stateless nation:
1. Representing themselves in EXPO
2. Being their own representation in the Olympics and Paralympics, as themselves
@@0er_71m3 well we do have a few in professional sports such as boxing....it takes time
Bro i am lambani 100% correct. Love from India 🇮🇳🙏👌
I love learning about linguistic history!!
most of these words are similar in Marathi & Hindi too ( Im a native Marathi speaker )
And in gujarati also
Most Not similar in Marathi
@@divyesh97most not similar in Marathi.
Yeah
Yes I agree!
This is very similar to Gujarati language too 😊
MOREEE PLEASE MOREE😭🙏its so beautiful
I have a book written in 1970s a grammar on the Lambani language
I think I found the same book, I used it for this video to find a lot of the words that looked similar
@@florida.florian Well done for doing the research, as a linguist it can be easy to confuse words for being related when they arent but these are some great examples
My language❤️
That's so cool Florian! I am so impressed to know the similarities! 😮
Please share more such videos!
Even those Romani words that you mentioned are similar in Hindi & Punjabi as well. Like : Divas (hindi),
Viyah (punjabi),
dand (punjabi),
kon, Kha, De, Mar (both).
Thats so cool! Since Romani is an Indo-European language I see the similarities too:
New|
Romani: Nove
Russian: Novy
Spanish: Nuevo
Tooth|
Romani: Dand
Italian: Dent
Dutch: Tand
Give|
Romani: De
Portuguese: Dar
Romanian: Da
Sleep|
Romani: Soven
Swedish: Sove
Danish: Sove
Our long lost cousins. Bhagvan please take care of them 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
In Moldova, whenever they show Indian movies, the Gypsies understand most of it, and they are really surprised and happy
Well Yeah it has similarities, that's cool
Your videos caught my attention at first and soon tured into fascination for the entire Romani people. It fascinating you traced your roots. Hope whenever your come to India it feels like home coming ❤
Thanks so much for your series.
The words are almost identical to the Western Indian language Gujarati
This is linguistic evolution in real time. Amazing to learn about and also shows the connection other languages have. B and V as letters have a close connection in some languages.
It's very similar to my Banjara language
I am banjara ❤❤
Where are you from in India. I am from Karnataka kalburgi.
@VithalChavan-j3y hii, I am from Maharashtra
@@user-oz7zn9ix3u which district
Kalburgi chincholi thanda
@@VithalChavan-j3y district jalna but I'm living in Russia
Being Urdu speaker i can underwear all the words😮
It matches with Punjabi
As someone who speak Scandoromani we say:
"New" = "Nevo"
"Day" = "Dives"
"Daughter" = "Ćhej"
"Wedding" = *Couldn't find word*
"Tooth" = "Dan"
"Stomach" = "Belsing"
"Who" = "So" (Technically "What" but can be used for "Who")
"Eat" = "Kha"
"All" = "Sas"
"Warm" = "Tatro"
"Give" = "Dokha"
Uncle = "Dado" for both uncles, "Dadophral" (Dad's brother)
"Dejiphral" (Mom's brother)
We = Vošnos
Y'all = Ešnos
Come = Ava
Good = Lacho
Sleep = Domna or Súta
"Beat = "Daba"
"Girl" = " Ćhej" for Roma, "Rakli" for non-Roma
Coin = "Lovo"
To grammatically inflect these words use Swedish grammatical rules.
I hear the similarities with hindi for some words (pet, kha, kaun, de, kaka). Just a different pronounciation or cognate.
Thanx for these common words. I oncec searched for European Roma & Indian tribe links, but assumed maybe Pakistani baloch tribes might relate with it bcoz there are just vlogs about how they live, pagan gods, some had a god image looking similar to God shiva, and people just conceded that they were brought from India around 9-10th century i.e. when Sindh region in Pakistan was under Iraq & Turkish Warlords & they couldn't attack India bcoz of Roma-Tribal Republic Stronghold as a kingdom, namy Gurjar- Pratihar Kingdom. Invasions started once this kingdom broke into small parts and but no slaves wwre taken - all heads massacred upto Delhi.
#Thanks for sharing this. Unlike Israel's Victimhood policy carried by West, nobody talks about Ro a who were put in chambers too alongside them. And just like in India with Banjaras, Roma too didn't westernise or remained excluded bcoz of Church controlled Western system & racism.
It is very similar to Hindi, Marathi, Gujrati.
In the end all humans on earth came from about 10000 people that survived some great calamity about 10000-15000 years ago that wiped out most of humanity and if you think about it, everything alive on earth is a cousin as our DNA shows. I like that thought. We are all family living on a tiny bubble in the deep infinite blackness of space, each alone in ourselves but experiencing this brief moment of existence together. Its a bittersweet realization. Life is so short and fraught but that's what makes it precious beyond words can express. Love to all my brothers and sisters on this tiny blue dot.
Rromani is very close to hindi as well, there are so many similar words in both languages.
Hindi is a very recent language
Oh wow! Insightful!
Very similar to Gujrati too!
I am Banjara 👀
It would be nice to hear these done slower so we can hear them clearer and catch the fine details. Was a neat video and hope to see some more about language shift!
Wow I'm half Roma and I didn't know our language was so similar to the Indian people.
I had no idea romani people had their own language :0 of course, it makes sense, and now I feel a bit silly, but it's good to learn new things
Rajasthani banjara language changed a lot right now
The words that differ with a or o endings remind me of the a or o endings in spanish. It's so interesting to see how tkme can change a lamguage and branch into something completely new.
No matter how far away people end up, they're still connected 🥹💜 thank you for sharing, the linguistics of this are SO cool!!!
Few of those words were similar to Punjabi and a few sound similar but said different
Tato is hot in Rajasthani
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👌🏻👌🏻
Duuude this is way cool! Man, I love linguistics. This is, I'm sure, 99,99% unrelated etymologically to the Banjara language, but 'pet' in French means fart (the noun). Tmyk!
Some Gujarati similarities as well.
I'd be interested in knowing if the grammar is also similar. If the grammar is the same, could someone reasonably speak in one language to someone who knows the other and be generally understood?
Interesting. I enjoy these films, but wish you would speak just a little slower! ❤
There is a speculation that the Romani people brought the Indian thornapple (Datura metel) to Europe.
Hi Florian. Recent genetic studies suggested Romani People descendt from a the tribes of "untouchables" or sheduled castes - collectively knowns as "domba" people in northwest india in punjab. that they descendt from the tribe of banjara in rajasthan do you think that is really true? can we know after over thousand years for sure which "village in india" exactly the romani where from or are all of these just speculations? Thank you. Im Romani myself and I love your videos and follow you.
All Indians have the same ge nes, cas tes are nothing but professions. So called untouchables are not a different ra ce, so those gene tic stud ies are a lie.
Jamary chib sy purani i sukar😊
chaches
Could you make a video about the Caló language?
If someone tried to speak Hindi with a Romani person, would the latter understand it a little bit and if so, how much, like 30-50%? Is there maybe more similarity with Gujarati or Marwari?
It’s very similar to Bengali as well! day- dives- dibosh (Bangla). Marriage- biyav- Biye/biya (Bangla). Tooth- dand- dand (Bangla). stomach- pet- pet (Bangla). Who- kon- K. Eat- kha- kha. Give - de- de. Uncle- Kako - Kaka. Beating- mar- mar/ maro.
They like to call themselves gypsies as "romani" can get confused with Romanian. They've since forever been calling themselves gypsies and they're proud of it.
Iam also banjara.
Is the sentence structure the same?
The word "Romani" itself also sounds like the word "Lambani".
Iron is loho in rajasthani.
Even women's dressing is quite similar
so they were a nomadic people in india and then migrated as they had always done only getting "stuck" in some European countries?
Also it's fascinating how these two languages just show the IndoEuropean roots of so many languages which have similar words
What do you mean in "some european countries"? As If Europe is some sort of dump we ended up, Europe is a continent like any other, with people with both good and Bad Intentions, it's not that other continents are so good, no matter in What continent we are, there are gonna be both nice and not very nice people. Doesn't matter Europe, Africa or Asia and etc.
@@sardarcantu7960 exactly. And I didn't have any bad intentions. calm down.
@@fiedelmina you just think I am not calm because it's text, and we tend to exaggerate with imagining the Person's Emotions. It was just weird cuz I See many spread h@teful comments on Europe as If it's the only B a d continent and the rest of the continents are pure. Which is weird, yes in Europe Lots of B a d stuff happened, but other continents are also no better, just trying to Highlight that everywhere can be b@d, not only in Europe
So called In do euro peans never e xisted. It's all Indian. Euro pean languages have not connection with Sanskrit. Stop your nons ense.
@@mangopudding5979 @mangopudding5979 oh, then the Russian Word (a European language) for brother (брат/ brat) totally accidentaly has similarity with the Sanskrit Word भ्रातृ or *bhrAtR* , and oh interesting it's similar to the English Word, Brother, another European language, similar to Greek *phrater* , another *European* language; another example: Let's Take the english Word Foot🦵🏼:
In Greek is - pod
In Latin is- ped
In Sanskrit-पाद (pāda)
How come they are not connected if there are similarities as shown above? Languages have connection because people for centuries interacted in one way or another to eachother, thus, all language can have one common ancestral language, just how all of us humans have one common ancestor where the whole humanity began. It's called Indo-European because european languages have words of Sanskrit origin, the ancient language of India, if you want to become separate, your choice, but the evidences have another opinion, surely it doesn't mean that All languages are mutually intelligible, but rather have Lots in common, despite their differences. Just like in my language, Romanian in some sort of way the Word for Enemy happened to be Dușman (Dushman like in Hindi, which originally is a Persian Word دشمن (došman). No offence, but whether you consider Indo-European a Thing or not, the connection between languages you can't deny
@florida.florian I would really love to see you meet with a Lambani or Hindi speaker to compare more words and even try to understand sentences from each other's language, like they do on some yt channels. 😊
Is it similar to Sanskrit too?
😊
Hindi 🎉
wait does that mean "lovés" for money in french might come from Romani ppl ?
I came across a restaurant in a resort town offering "gypsy flamenco" but as far as I can tell the musician is not romany, do you think it is worth calling this business/musician out over it's cultural appropriation?
If nobody in the show is Romani I'd prefer they just use word Flamenco. But I doubt he'd listen to you
Easy tiger
Linguistically and genetically banjaras/lambanis and roma are different.
Roma's linguistic brothers are panjabi and hindi .
There is classification of indo-aryan language family tree, you can see that there.
Lambanis have foreign origin, they are the the one with highest r1b haplogroup in india(nearly 40%).
The banjara language is similar to punjabi be it spoken in india or pakistan. SubhanAllah the lord Allah created his humans and languages, just as humans are alike so are the languages!
It kanda sounds similar to sankrit to me.
Where are from from bulgari romanian ungarian im from romanian i know that romani are in a lot of places
Bro you are Romani? You look very much like me
He is half-Roma, half-Armenian
@@TheTimoprimo if he is reminded that I'm a female cactus
You look Justin Trudeau.😅
Ghano aacho bolichi hamar vaate
And these documentaries make a fuss about not understanding Romani Language at all , even with translators ...so ignorant !!
It's LAMBADI
These all words are in hindi, few in marathi & bhojpuri as well. Interesting how even after 1000 years not much have changed.
Legitimate question has anyone ever come across a Romani in real life on the street and not seen them begging or committing some type of crime? 😅
you just came across one who doesn’t do any of those things, Im a real life person, yet you still hold on to those prejudices
@florida.florian because you're about as Roma as I am a cactus. You might have the same skin tone but you're an American stop acting like you have any association with the European gypsies
@@florida.florian love that for you
I am Banjara bro contact no. Please i want help you.
Why do most beg and thrive outside Gregg's