Regardless of PS5 or Series X you're still getting insane performance for the dollar. Prior to launch many people thought the RT would be RTX 2060 S/2070 tops. Here we are getting 3060ti/2080 S perf. It'd be like PS4 or XB1 having gpu equivalence to an R9 280X/GTX 770. *Edit:* I don't want to gloss over the 8c/16th Zen 2 cpu either. So, it'd also be like PS4 and XB1 having the equivalent to a decently clocked i7 4c/8th instead of the ultra cheap Jaguar cores.
Did you watch 13:10? This isn't a like for like comparison... PC is using g higher settings causing it to be hit harder than the PS5 who's settings is lower than PC can get to. Its weaker than what the chart showed, and ge pointed that out multiple times.
I feel like a lot of launch titles aren’t truly next gen, more of a supped up current gen, like the developers made the games for last gen then gave it a little extra, so curious to see what will happen when they stop making it for last gen
This happen in every new generation, I mean they were probably developing BO:CW since 3 years ago and got hand of the new consoles devkit probably a year or less ago so you can imagine why it is always like this.
Idk if that's true seeing as developers get development kits way in advance of the console release so they know the hardware way before we ever even know about it
This comment section is funny: "why they have to zoom? if you don't make zoom you can't tell the difference, Digital foundry is crazy" they use the zoom to be able to match the PS5 settings on PC as much as they can so they can make a fair comparison, isn't this obvious? and yes, Ps5 is a really impressive machine but you can't compare price the same way you compare graphics, the PC can do much more, not everybody spend 2k on a high end pc just to play videogames, or watch Netflix, I think this is obvious too, anyway, it was a great video.
Seriously though, I wouldn't see those burning shadows and missing icicles or that slightly lowres fire effect when the game is in motion. It's already difficult to see in the freeze frame zoomed in view. Definitely wouldn't notice at normal tv viewing distance even if standing still. It's good to see a relatively cheap console getting so close to pc high settings which need a beefy system to run the game at.
You will "FEEL" the difference when the framerate drops....I guarantee it. I moved up from a 60hz monitor, to a 165hz monitor on my PC, the difference is incredible.
The consoles need an upscaling technique like DLSS, I think that would give us much more promising results both the image quality and performance-wise.
Afaik AMD is working on an RDNA2 compatible technique with the aim to make it work on current gen consoles as well as their PC GPUs. We just gotta hope it's more DLSS2.0 than 1.0 in its competence.
I'm glad we've gotten to the points in graphics that most of the imperfections are minor enough that it doesn't really matter. Good graphics for everybody
@Sam Houser 7 years?..........yikes. they will start to struggle in a few years and everything will be back to 30fps on all games. thats just the cycle. hence why MS will probably bring out a new console every 3 years or so. Sony will probably do the same. but they are all PCs now inside so tradition generations are at an end.
I'm a hardcore PCMR guy, but I recently got a PS5 for some couch gaming/catch up on old PS4 titles. For the first time ever I'm considering getting all of this year's coming games on a .... console.... can't believe I said that
@@ryanf922 how do you feel playing with a controller over mouse and keyboard for a FPS. I originally was a console player then moved to PC for years. Just got a ps5 curious if playing with a controller may feel better that mouse and keyboard (for a first person shooter)
That can happen in some games where devs dont do much with textures and more but still give the game different setting levels. Tho somehow you still get fps hit hard on ultra even if you don't see a difference. It's weird.
The bottom point is, there is too much of a performance hit to justify increasing the graphics higher than necesary, when actually you don't notice any change during gameplay...
@@vampiszon6620 Well some games theres a lot of difference like with Metro Exodus settings, but yeah with this game where ultra settings tanks fps with not much difference it makes no sense to be up there. Tho RT shadows and such is noticeably better on PC like in the helicopter part.
Firstly, the 3090 is an absolute BEAST. It’s crazy how it chews through that workload like it’s nothing. Secondly, it’s crazy what the PS5 is able to do at that price. $500 for that kind of performance is unreal. I’m excited for this gen, and how these consoles are going to allow gaming to look and feel so much better. *Edit* I recently purchased the $500 disk version. I never would have purchased the digital version due to my collection of PS4 games. I’m aware that there is a $400 version, but $500 was fresh on my mind.
I'm just happy the consoles have SSDs for once. Maybe in the next 2 years engines will no longer need loading screens. Hard drives on the consoles has really been holding that progress back. I remember when I bought my PC and started over Just Cause 3 which I just beat on PS4. On PS4 loading screens were 30-1:30 in length. On PC, I never had a single one over 10 seconds with the average being only 3-5 seconds. SSDs really make a world of difference.
Imagine the xbox series x.... I have an rtx 3080 and I’m still impressed by the 500usd console performance, I absolutely love both my and xbox, looking for a ps5 to complete the master trinity.
To be honest, I can run the game at 4K 60 with ultra ray tracing on a 2080S (DLSS is just the future) Users who just need to upgrade the gpu, the RTX 3070 seems like a better deal, pc is always a better option if you can go the extra mile
@@charlygmp4900 might be fighting the availability for the next 6 months yet. Not expecting availability to get better any time soon. Though you somehow got a 3080 so guess anything's possible. I haven't seen the 3080 in stock for more than a minute and it gets restocked a tenth as often as the 3090, so I got a 3090. At least Final Fantasy 15 at 4K utilizes that 24GB of Vram.
@@Damstructions-funny if you want that you'd need tensor cores which would bring the cost up for the added hardware it requires which would at that cost just be a low end pc
@@Damstructions-funny Thats the problem. Sony did not use any part of RDNA 2 from AMD to make this possible. But Microsoft did in the XBSX. DLSS is not a cheat code from software. It uses the extra tensor cores in RTX cards that are designed for AI and ML. AMD does not have this in there GPUs. That is why ray tracing on AMD cards and these consoles are so taxing on the system. I dont see a pro version coming out any time soon about 3 years from now maybe.
In my country they are super easy to find. If you want to pay at least €750 for it (stores have no stock, scalpers do) Luckily I was planning to get one in May anyhow, let's hope that by then the stock is more common.
The Target restock here in the US was supposed to be huge, and it was gone in 3 minutes or less. Probably 3 minutes of refreshing and reloading before you get a "sold out" message.
That's what I like to call intelligent cuts. They made the cuts in a way that makes it hard to see at all from a naked eye. So the game looks Super close to the PC version because of the Raytracing being kept and the cuts being in certain elements of the technique. I hope more devs use this and tweak games to retain as much Raytracing as possible without hitting the Framerate as much because raytracing off and raytracing on is night and day but an in between method like this is hard to notice unless you are sensitive to it. PC is still best by far though but I love how close Consoles are this time around. The PS4 was no where near as close to PC when it launched so seeing PS5 and Series be so close is a nice change.
Thank you so much for going back and covering this one. My family owns the game on both PS5 and an RTX 3080 PC. I was genuinely impressed with the visuals on PS5 even in the 120Hz performance mode. Consoles will never look as good as a top-of-the-line PC, but the PS5 is an impressive piece of tech right now at the $500 mark.
Also have to keep in mind how you're viewing the video tho difference become more apparent on the appropriate screen. Examples a phone screen with high pixel density vs 1080p tv vs 4k tv with high refresh rate etc. But yeah ultra is usually just for bragging rights XD
@@rex41e Insomniac have used it to eliminate loading screens from their games and Rift Apart looks like it’ll make great use of it in its game design. Credit where credit is due. Agree that we won’t see the very best of it until a few more years though.
@@markiusk3773 nah man give it time and the PS5 is only going to get better , of course a proprietary console will underperform against a $1500+ PC but the results are comparable and I only spent $425 USD after taxes on my PS5 , just saying
The PS5 is nowhere near the 3070. Lol As said in the video the GPUs were performing lower than they should of due to particle effects and such being higher on PC than PS5, causing them more hits to fps than theps5 since it doesnt have those effects. (See 13:10-13:30) The PS5 is weaker than a 3060, and around a 2070. Less with DLSS on. The 3060 build would be under 1k.
@@pcgameboy8407 They weren't able to conclude how heavy the effects of the particles would be. A separate test with assassin's creed valhalla with more comparable settings found the ps5 in line with a 2080, and that makes sense here too. In this test a 2080 super would be a little bit behind the ps5, but assuming the high res transparency effects have a 5-10 percent impact then we would be at, or just above the 2080.
@@russellfox5877 They said in the Assassin's Creed video that the game is very heavily favored in AMD, and Nvidia cards are underutilized. Also here he brings up that these are alpha particle resolution difference which is a setting that could cause major damage to fps on PC far mroe than just a 5-10% hit (also 10% worse than a 2080 super is less than a 2080), and there are multiple settings on PS5 lower than what PC can reach. The PS5 was under the 2080 super. Both AC and this benchmark shows PS5 is most likely at 2070s range, not counting DLSS which put the 2070s above the PS5 even with that hit to fps.
Bruh unless you are playing on an 85" you will not notice any difference. All these videos/modes look super realistic and i'm watching this on a 1080p TV plus UA-cam compression on this video
You definitely notice the difference at higher resolution and at higher frame rates. It's hard going back to low resolution frame rates once you've experienced higher.
That gamer nexus video was horrendous... made worse by the PC sheep in the comments validating his opinion. A PC 5 years ago doesn't have Ray tracing nor do they perform like PS5, strange video from that guy.
@@HQA0 and did u watch other games where it runs even better with a lot of settings at ultra like ac valhalla comes to mind heck it even had foliage beyond ultra on pc...u cant use one game/example as your definite answer and even so for 4 500 bucks it's pretty damn solid
Hm, most of the time i didn't see any real difference respectivly i had to "search" for it. That leads me to the question if i would even notice it while playing the game Oo
Also depends on the screen you're using if viewing on a phone with high pixel density because of its size versus a 4k monitor or tv. The difference will be more apparent
But the dot on the clock on highest resolution @4:04?! it's unforgivable. The fact that I know that dot exists while taking cover from enemy gunfire completely destroys my immersion. It's practically unplayable.
It's why I turned a lot of the settings to high/ultra for the campaign. After I beat it, I just uninstalled the ultra hd texture pack and turned everything down to low/medium because I'm literally not going to notice the difference running around on MP but the framerate boost definitely would help.
Nah it happens the same every console generation , as devs learn the ins and outs of a console, usually 2 or 3 years down the line, they peak out on the consoles max performance then it will start to trail behind PC a lot in terms of power but the value of your money when buying a console isn’t going anywhere anytime soon
I see that some people here write in comments that the PC won. But someone can tell me why I should buy a $ 1,700 PC (with RTX 3070) instead of a $ 399-499 console? To see the difference that is seen with 800% zoom only and when comparing side-by-side? Paying $ 1200-1300 more for this tiny difference .... ridiculous and dumb.
This is pretty much a last gen game. Nothing truly special about it. Wait for the true next gen games and they'll be more impressive. The PS5 has lots of potential that's basically being unused right now.
The prices of computers vary wildly based off of pre-built or building yourself. Prebuilt being more expensive sometimes by hundreds of dollars.. Mine cost about $1300 2 years ago (prebuilt) and still offers generally better performance than the new consoles. I can also overclock it and add more memory at anytime to increase its performance even better. I also use it for more than just games. PC is just for people who prefer options. I don't think I'm superior and am glad you guys are getting more options.
@@seanporcelli3965 Unfortunately in the last year or so PC gaming became for the rich because the street prices on graphics cards are so high. It is hard to find a 2060 card for less than a PS5 cost right now. This problem will get even worse with the new tariffs on graphics cards in the US.
The rtx 3070 which is the one DF says it outperforms ps5 by just a tiny bit retail price is 500 ps5 retail is 400 so you are telling me that ps5 looks as good as a mid end probably high end pc cuz they still have not really tapped on the ps5 power , and it cost less than just one graphics card .. that’s a win btw the ps5 is more next gen cuz the ssd it uses .the old ssds that your pc build use can not even Run let’s say miles morales or demons souls
They used this scene as kind of a worst case benchmark scenario. Most of the time the game won’t be as intensive. I used to have a 2070s and at 1440p RT on and high I got around 70-80 fps with no DLSS
I should also mention that DLSS is basically a defacto setting on 20 series cards and up. With how good DLSS 2.0 is, there’s pretty much no reason to not have it on. 2070s with DLSS commonly stays in the 90s for fps
@@wozzielfc401 I am being real both are excellent visually and as experiences. Keyboard and mouse is faster and generally better but controller is cool to. I use both on PC depending on the game. I love the haptics on the Dual Sense. It is good that although there will be differences betweem platforms, fidelity is good enough that the focus now and chat should be about games.
Relax fellas im one of those fake trolls but since you guys took it without no stress . Well played guys true gaming spirit 😁 I legit dont care where people game
It’s also important to remember no ones used the PS5 geometry system to date yet or tapped into its full power so we’ve still got a lot more bang for buck to come
@@ANFWHGPIE23 What? you clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Sony integrated dedicated Shaders to the GPU, other GPUs do support mesh shaders but Consoles will always be better performing for the same hardware because of the fine-grain optimization that develop do. No one is going to optimize for a specific GPU, from a specific vendor with a specific hardware configuration on PC, on consoles you can. In fact, Sony launches many games on a single device which allows you fully utilize it. 100%.
The geometry engine is marketing vodoo until proven otherwise. I have a PS5 and would place my bets on a competent AI super sampling solution from AMD before hoping for some geometry engine miracle.
@@Shvabicu Geometry engine is exactly the same as in mesh shaders in modern GPUs. the difference is that Sony studios will take better advantage of it because they can refine their games around a single spec! if you know nothing about game development, stop typing
@@codethis2875 XSX supports primitives too , what so especial about geometry engine ? Like I said PC GPUS have geometry engine or how you expect them to handle triangles lol
@@FFTM155 yes they are. Look up "PS5 artifacts" there's even like a 15 minute montage of all the dead GPUs, and I see more coming every week. Overclocked GPUs tend to do that.
@@LiquidSpartan117 Kinda predicted it. They run too hot. I've been calling the PS5 Sony's RROD moment since it became apparent the memory runs at 85c under load. In 12 months... Sony is going to have a heck of a problem on their hands.
@@LiquidSpartan117 i have no problems and i am not the only one. All my friends that bought the ps5 have no problems. PS5 eu versions. So try again. Ps5 works with no problems. And it is great console. Oh yeah gpu of ps5 is not overclocked.
Because Gamer Nexus only tested last gen games that just ran on PS5 with low effort tweaks. Last gen games run on PS5 like 1070 Ti, well optimised cross gen games that Digital Foundry use for comparisons get 2080S performance out of PS5. Not a coincidence.
@@lilyflower6265 Forget the PS5 feature set. COD Cold War is a cross gen game and RTX 3070 only has 8% higher average fps on approximately same settings in this test that's pretty damn close. How tf you go from that to GTX 1060 lol.
@@lilyflower6265 He says it is equivalent to mid to high end PC from 5 years ago at the end of the video lol. I guess we will forget about the GPU that supports hardware accelerated ray-tracing, PCIE Gen 4 SSD, 8 core Ryzen Zen 2 CPU, custom hardware for audio processing which saves on CPU cycles, and the massive I/O bandwidth advantage over any PC thanks to more custom hardware... How does a channel entirely dedicated to looking at boring graphs for 30 minutes on end on all things related to gaming tech reach kind of conclusion? Based on looking at 3 non-demanding last gen games with PS5 patches... Unbelievable.
@@lilyflower6265 I guess you are right though I would also argue that even if he isn't into consoles he has a responsibility towards his audience to have a better grasp on the subject when making a video like this.
@@lilyflower6265 Yeah I am not even acknowledging those kind of fanboy channels. What I meant was that people go to tech channels like DF or Gamers Nexus to see objective reviews based on empirical data not to listen to opinions. I know Steve is particularly good at the empirical data part but yeah when it comes to console stuff DF and NX Gamer are a lot more knowledgeable.
@@MARK111126 Not really.. this isn't a like for like comparison. Settings on PC like pixel resolution are much higher than PS5 as said on 13:10 and onward. The pc was performing worse than it should've, but cant get as low as PS5 settings. Pretty much everyone skipped straight to the fps part without listening to his "keep in mind" part.
Great video! Lots of people not understanding that the zoom in parts were primarily explaining how you investigated to find comparable PC settings to PS5 so you could run a benchmark at the end to compare hardware. I appreciate it though, it's genuinely interesting.
Not only that, but you probably ran out immediately to pay a scalper price for RTX 3080 and enjoy the clock model and grass without halo effect in all it's glory (dare I say "as it's meant to be played") xD
I think is similar with the ps5, but the whole point of the comparison is that scene where the ps5 runs at native 4k cause of a bug in DRS implementation, which makes more easier to compare with pc .
They won’t because it looks and runs like DICK on ps4 pro. The beta test say everything you need to know. MW was flawless from alpha, they ruined mw when it launched
The ps5 and xbox versions are literally the same, it be a waste of time to compare both of the consoles when you can nab the console with the bigger fan base and use that instead of ps5 AND xbox
@FreedomAreComing id 100% much prefer xbox to ps5 beacause of gamepass, but when the the consoles are performing the same on a game, its better to use the PS for the "___ vs PC" since PS are good for views
Maybe in this game. But in many others it performs like a 2070 and sometimes 2060. It all depends on the game, what's happening on screen, and of course optimization.
He got those results by cherry picking certain scenarios, and using backwards compatible PS4 games. You must remember he's a PC fanboy, and his channel revolves around that crowd. But the results he got were baffling.
While ps5 is running lower than low effects and df stated that they chose the most disadvantaged scene for pc😂 it's 2060s-2070 my boi, not 1060 or 2080
Their testing was garbage, and full of nitpicking. It's a PC focused channel, people who watch that channel don't buy consoles, so it doesn't matter really.
@@najib9093 Destiny 2 isn't a backwards compatibility patch. It does look a little bit less graphically resolution graphically than pc on some textures but maybe a little better than the PS4 Pro version.
@@UlyssesM There is still some heavy stutter at random points in multiplayer on PS5, even with nothing going on with raybtracing on. It needs further optimization.
@@killervztwogaming5796 No, it clearly needs optimization because the stutter happens when nothing is going on even if you're looking at the ground. It's a cross-gen, cross-platform launch game. The PS5 is capable of much more.
Bro he said that the ps5 FPS is close to the rtx3070 look up just the retail price for that graphics card , the ps5 is cheaper than the graphics card, he says it just out performs it by a tiny bit (3070) that card is $500 in nvidias site the digital ps5 is $400
@@harlenkelly7331 look at the average FPS result the 3070 outperforms ps5 by just just 4 FPS on average that’s not even a lot and we are looking at a multiplat game either way I can not build a 400 pc with those results
Alex, you did a lot of work for this. But my main take away is that I can turn all my PC settings from HIGH to LOW/MEDIUM and it will look exactly the same to my eye as I'm playing the game. Haha, thanks.
@@ragnarlothbrok4659 It would be the 3700x if the CPUs weren't gimped by memory latency and tight power budgets. The 3600 is a good equivalent in this case, at least for the Xbox. For PS5 its not clear just how much the clocks will be sacrificed to keep the GPU clocks up, so PS5 can be expected to perform worse than a 3600.
Ehh would of liked it if he can find comparison that is actually like for like, and not some uneven comparison where setting are higher on PC, which causes fps to be lower on PC than it should be. I'm sure there were better areas in the game to compare.
Could you guys do a review on the xbox one x and series x, showing how 120 hz mode doesn't work on all monitors that actually support it. This has been an ongoing issue for years now. Huge forum on reddit and Microsoft help pages. Its something to do with the way Microsoft is coding the system. It won't recognise some monitors correctly. Many of us hoped that it would be fixed on the new consoles, but it isnt. Maybe you shining a light on this would get them to fix it. I was told a update would fix it on the One X, but it never came.
@@DickieBeard If Halo Infinite was released at launch and say one more top launch exclusive for Xbox , do you think DF would have more videos up bout Xbox right now or nah ?
@@DickieBeard There is no point 1- this video was PS5 because of a Bug in dynamic resolution , the cutscene was stuck at native 4k causing the FPS to drop , making it ideal for comparison against pc 2- the Valhalla video ? The scenes they were comparing were the ones running at the lowest Res which 1440p on ps5 , to match 1440p on pc Those scenes are 1188p on series X so what's the point. Pretty much every other comparison video has both consoles
Nice video. But in the PC comparison chart you are basically saying that the ps5 performs almost at a 6800 level despite having half as many CUs, SUs and TMUs, while having less ROPs and bandwidth as well. Interesting. I'd love to know the reasons behind this.
Playing on PS5 I noticed your character does not cast any shadows. The level where you walk through the bombed out snowy base, your character casts zero shadows. Even though the environment does
Especially after PC gamers say everything possible to make it sound like consoles are lightyears away. Comparing them to video cards is pretty daft but many of them do it. Consoles have always been about optimization
Yeah. Yall may want to because at age 12, I was prescribed reading glasses and I saw what he was showing us with them off pretty easy. I'm 34 now, so my eyes should be worse. Lol
I'm soooo glad I can't really see that much of a difference in most of those comparisons, even side by side, zoomed in, and slowed down. I imagine that the cumulative effect of all those do add to the overall, can't quite "put your tongue on it" picture quality/realism.
When you have to resort to zooming in by 400-800%, is it even worth trying to make a comparison anymore? Honestly, who is going to get out their binoculars and play the game?
I made the same argument 4 years ago with reconstruction techniques, but apparently 500% zooming and slow motion while you are playing a game was vital back then.
@@pcgameboy8407 No, they are far LESS noticeable when playing because you aren't focused on rough edges of a crate or shrub when you're fighting half a dozen enemies or racing around at track at high speed. Most of these things are undetectable when you are actually playing because your attentional resources are focused elsewhere.
No no no then we will be the bad guys because we prefer value rather than paying an arm and a leg for power that won’t even be optimized well for a lot of games
I always wondered how the consoles could pull off fractured jaw with RT. Even a 3080 has issues with that level. Also a little shocked the 2070 S was so outpaced by the ps5. Lastly, this is how you do a pc to console comparison-GN take note!
Well ps5 has some bandwidth heavy settings below low. And once you enable dlss which still takes diespace and money, so everyone should a enable it and b use it in comparisons, it beats the console by a huge margin. Still hoping a switch pro gets dlss.
But, but, but, steve from gamers nexus told me that a ps5 is equivalent to a mid/high pc from 2015... now you tell me ps5 is that close to a 2070s.. whaaat??? Someone needs copium..
@@frederikgoogel5611 cross plat games definitely dont favor consoles in general. ps5 should have improved checkerboard to come in the future that will provide a similar maybe slight less efficient boost compared to dlss. but then its still up to developers to take advantage of it.
@@toeknee3302 Yeah probably.. but most certainly atleast equivalent to a 2070S, assuming that if the pc settings could be dropped lower to exactly match the ps5, the 2070S could make up the around 20% difference you see in that airplane sequence. Incredible value for money this console, and even more so if you get the digital for 399.
@@ConstantineBerdnikov Lol, no. PC gaming still = GTX 1060 at this point. If you're picking a card that came out literally the same year the new consoles arrived it's just proving my point.
Doubt it. The ray-tracing settings are baked in and designed for the higher resolution the PS5 is targeting. At 1080p you'll get the benefit of downsampling. Since the PS5 is always rendering the image above 1080p you won't notice any drops in resolution like you would on a 4K display. ...The option to trade resolution for better rt would be cool. However, that type of granular control is still exclusive to PC. Most console games will probably provide rt on/off.
No, the system supersample/upscales regardless of the output resolution. 120hz mode, standard mode with ray tracing off and ray tracing on are the only settings that will change how the game runs.
Simple answer is no. These new features (ie raytracing) are designed for 4K in mind. Often as others have said, is that the internal game engine renders the “rays” at 4K, so unless your display can also render/display at 4k, you won’t see the results. You will still get the advantages of Supersampling to the 1080P display, but the difference is extremely subtle, and only the keen eye will really see a major difference. If you can afford to get a 4K Raytracing graphics card/gaming PC, you can surely afford to get a 4K HDR display. I wouldn’t even recommend building a Raytracing PC unless you already had a capable display. Putting Ferrari tires won’t make your Civic any faster. Sure if you put a device to it you might notice a 1% performance increase, but no one will notice that without the measuring device. Those tires are meant to be used on a Ferrari, hence the name. That 4K Raytracing gaming PC is your tires, and the 4K HDR monitor is the Ferrari, without the two of them together, it’s essentially pointless.
This is brilliant. You've done what I have essentially wasted so many hours of my life doing for dozens of games over the last two decades, anytime I had a game for console and my higher end PC. Please do more of these!!
PS5 is Impressive for the price, but I'd still prefer even a mid end gaming rig with a rtx 2060 and a ryzen 5 if short on cash. Because of the freedom, cheaper games, life span and free online and of course pc being a necessity while a console isn't.
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Watching on the phone -- can't see what he's talking about -- keeps watching anyways
UA-cam needs a 4k setting for iOS and Androids.
@@Jiterdomer why bother, the main issue is that the screen is too small. There is only one or two phones on the market which have a 4k panel.
@@Jiterdomer it has it
@@1floony compression is a thing
AHAHAHAHA SAME DUDE...
Regardless of PS5 or Series X you're still getting insane performance for the dollar.
Prior to launch many people thought the RT would be RTX 2060 S/2070 tops. Here we are getting 3060ti/2080 S perf. It'd be like PS4 or XB1 having gpu equivalence to an R9 280X/GTX 770.
*Edit:* I don't want to gloss over the 8c/16th Zen 2 cpu either. So, it'd also be like PS4 and XB1 having the equivalent to a decently clocked i7 4c/8th instead of the ultra cheap Jaguar cores.
No it wouldn’t. That CPU is nowhere near a 3700X.
@@oktusprime3637 Nowhere did I say 3700X or any specific i7 chip. Just core counts. And, cpu clocks are pretty decent in the new consoles.
Did you watch 13:10? This isn't a like for like comparison... PC is using g higher settings causing it to be hit harder than the PS5 who's settings is lower than PC can get to. Its weaker than what the chart showed, and ge pointed that out multiple times.
2 years later and these consoles are struggling already.
"If you look closer"
Me: my eyes are touching the screen. Is that close enough?
"I SAID LOOK CLOSER!!!"
Thanks for the lol.
shadowjfd Just a little closer please. Insert your Eyeballs into the Screen 😂 yeah much better now
Oh man, i'm dead 🤣🤣
I feel like a lot of launch titles aren’t truly next gen, more of a supped up current gen, like the developers made the games for last gen then gave it a little extra, so curious to see what will happen when they stop making it for last gen
So far Demon's Souls is the only game that was purely made with the PS5 in mind and it shows.
This happen in every new generation, I mean they were probably developing BO:CW since 3 years ago and got hand of the new consoles devkit probably a year or less ago so you can imagine why it is always like this.
@@Shvabicu hello cyberpunk? That game can not run well on the last gen consoles cause its fundamentally next gen thanks to projekt red
@@Pit_1209 they developed Cold War in like 8 months they had to take over development from sledgehammer.
Idk if that's true seeing as developers get development kits way in advance of the console release so they know the hardware way before we ever even know about it
I am sure there will be a noticable difference when I am playing at 800% zoom
If your cornea is not making direct contact with the screen, you're playing it wrong.
You don't need to zoom to notice the difference in non-raytraced shadows.. Besides, it's these kind of in depth analysis that makes this channel great
This comment section is funny:
"why they have to zoom? if you don't make zoom you can't tell the difference, Digital foundry is crazy" they use the zoom to be able to match the PS5 settings on PC as much as they can so they can make a fair comparison, isn't this obvious?
and yes, Ps5 is a really impressive machine but you can't compare price the same way you compare graphics, the PC can do much more, not everybody spend 2k on a high end pc just to play videogames, or watch Netflix, I think this is obvious too, anyway, it was a great video.
YEAH man cool! pc need only for games and netflix, very clever// PS5 is shit by the way
@@kokoko3712 ok good for you.
@@kokoko3712 ps5 is far more powerful than the average PC
I remember when they only used 200% zoom. Then 400% now 800% at this point just appreciate the damn games that are on console.
Also Ps5 is always compared to the most expensive gaming PC.
We're limited to 4k
*Me getting btfo with my 768p screen
Understandable, have a good day.
that is one complicated game of ''Find the differences''
Seriously though, I wouldn't see those burning shadows and missing icicles or that slightly lowres fire effect when the game is in motion. It's already difficult to see in the freeze frame zoomed in view. Definitely wouldn't notice at normal tv viewing distance even if standing still.
It's good to see a relatively cheap console getting so close to pc high settings which need a beefy system to run the game at.
You will "FEEL" the difference when the framerate drops....I guarantee it. I moved up from a 60hz monitor, to a 165hz monitor on my PC, the difference is incredible.
@@xlr8r2010 i do realize the framerate diffs but the tiny little shadows and stuff is impressive to actually even notice
800% zoom! lmao they really try very hard, must spend way too much on Pc gaming.
The consoles need an upscaling technique like DLSS, I think that would give us much more promising results both the image quality and performance-wise.
Xbox has directml but we don't know for ps5
@@jrpeegy8294 directml is not like dlss. but it gives an oppurtunity to implement something like this.
AMD’s own version of DLSS will be coming out this year and it will be applicable to PS5 and Series X because they both use RDNA 2 GPUs.
Checkerboard is kinda like that you guys have it for a long time.
Afaik AMD is working on an RDNA2 compatible technique with the aim to make it work on current gen consoles as well as their PC GPUs. We just gotta hope it's more DLSS2.0 than 1.0 in its competence.
I'm glad we've gotten to the points in graphics that most of the imperfections are minor enough that it doesn't really matter. Good graphics for everybody
Fps only for the pcmr tho 😎
This video is exactly why I love Digital Foundry. It evokes my nerdy instincts.
I have absolutely no interest in Black OPs, but Digital Foundry videos are just so friggen' interesting.
So basically the PS5 is a great machine for the money
I honestly struggle to see what he's even talking about in 95% of these comparison shots.
@Sam Houser 7 years?..........yikes. they will start to struggle in a few years and everything will be back to 30fps on all games. thats just the cycle. hence why MS will probably bring out a new console every 3 years or so. Sony will probably do the same. but they are all PCs now inside so tradition generations are at an end.
I'm a hardcore PCMR guy, but I recently got a PS5 for some couch gaming/catch up on old PS4 titles. For the first time ever I'm considering getting all of this year's coming games on a .... console.... can't believe I said that
@@ryanf922 how do you feel playing with a controller over mouse and keyboard for a FPS. I originally was a console player then moved to PC for years. Just got a ps5 curious if playing with a controller may feel better that mouse and keyboard (for a first person shooter)
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Love it how you need 800% zoom to barely see differences between Low and High in a lot of cases :D
Right??!!
That can happen in some games where devs dont do much with textures and more but still give the game different setting levels. Tho somehow you still get fps hit hard on ultra even if you don't see a difference. It's weird.
But then if you look at some of the performance differences between low and high, you understand they picked low
The bottom point is, there is too much of a performance hit to justify increasing the graphics higher than necesary, when actually you don't notice any change during gameplay...
@@vampiszon6620 Well some games theres a lot of difference like with Metro Exodus settings, but yeah with this game where ultra settings tanks fps with not much difference it makes no sense to be up there. Tho RT shadows and such is noticeably better on PC like in the helicopter part.
The ps5 out preformed 2070 super and only 8% slower than 3070, I'm a pc guy but this is amazing for 499 console gotta admit that
399 because the digital is the same specs as the disk version
Take a digital edition, remove the price of the controller, thats a $300 gaming box
You won't find it for that price lol 😂 around 1000 maybe
Yes but you're stuck using a controller.
Of course, optimization achieves this. If they took the same amount of time to optimize the PC version, they would be able to achieve more with a 2070
My old eyes need a magnifying glass
Firstly, the 3090 is an absolute BEAST. It’s crazy how it chews through that workload like it’s nothing.
Secondly, it’s crazy what the PS5 is able to do at that price. $500 for that kind of performance is unreal. I’m excited for this gen, and how these consoles are going to allow gaming to look and feel so much better.
*Edit*
I recently purchased the $500 disk version. I never would have purchased the digital version due to my collection of PS4 games. I’m aware that there is a $400 version, but $500 was fresh on my mind.
400$ for ps5 digital edition. That one is absolutely insane.
I'm just happy the consoles have SSDs for once. Maybe in the next 2 years engines will no longer need loading screens. Hard drives on the consoles has really been holding that progress back. I remember when I bought my PC and started over Just Cause 3 which I just beat on PS4. On PS4 loading screens were 30-1:30 in length. On PC, I never had a single one over 10 seconds with the average being only 3-5 seconds. SSDs really make a world of difference.
Imagine the xbox series x.... I have an rtx 3080 and I’m still impressed by the 500usd console performance, I absolutely love both my and xbox, looking for a ps5 to complete the master trinity.
To be honest, I can run the game at 4K 60 with ultra ray tracing on a 2080S (DLSS is just the future) Users who just need to upgrade the gpu, the RTX 3070 seems like a better deal, pc is always a better option if you can go the extra mile
@@charlygmp4900 might be fighting the availability for the next 6 months yet. Not expecting availability to get better any time soon. Though you somehow got a 3080 so guess anything's possible. I haven't seen the 3080 in stock for more than a minute and it gets restocked a tenth as often as the 3090, so I got a 3090. At least Final Fantasy 15 at 4K utilizes that 24GB of Vram.
It’s impressive how well the ps5 stacks up honestly
not impressive at all we the PC setting cant go low enough to match the PS5 setting lol
@@OutlawFarmersRC even so, the difference would be minimal.
However, if I were to argue, DLSS is pretty much a cheat code a PS5 pro could use
@@Damstructions-funny Alex said the impact of these alpha effects can actually be extremely high.
@@Damstructions-funny if you want that you'd need tensor cores which would bring the cost up for the added hardware it requires which would at that cost just be a low end pc
@@Damstructions-funny Thats the problem. Sony did not use any part of RDNA 2 from AMD to make this possible. But Microsoft did in the XBSX. DLSS is not a cheat code from software. It uses the extra tensor cores in RTX cards that are designed for AI and ML. AMD does not have this in there GPUs. That is why ray tracing on AMD cards and these consoles are so taxing on the system. I dont see a pro version coming out any time soon about 3 years from now maybe.
Even though I have no intention of playing COD, I love these kinds of videos and will watch it the second a new one is posted
Alright let me see how many “If I could find a PS5 complaints” I can find here.
In my country they are super easy to find.
If you want to pay at least €750 for it (stores have no stock, scalpers do)
Luckily I was planning to get one in May anyhow, let's hope that by then the stock is more common.
None of my friends have been able to get one. Including me.
The Target restock here in the US was supposed to be huge, and it was gone in 3 minutes or less. Probably 3 minutes of refreshing and reloading before you get a "sold out" message.
@@AKSBSU
Priceless comment 😂👍
Or here in PC land, where I can’t find an rtx 3xxx series gpu to save my life 🤣
These zooms give me CandyLand comparison vids flashbacks
What happened to candyland?
@@MartGameFails yeah, what happened to them??!!
I miss Candyland videos.
What happend to them?
CandyLand got diabetes. That's why they stopped making vids. Too much candy would do that to you.
Feels bad for people who are gonna see this and buy a PS5 when the KFConsole launch is around the corner.
I'm just waiting for TACOnsole
Why would you buy that expensive crap with no exclusives.
@@ingamgoduka57 it's a joke
Inga Mgoduka warm chicken yummy
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when he says look closer,you really gotta strain your eyes to spot the difference, oof.
That's what I like to call intelligent cuts. They made the cuts in a way that makes it hard to see at all from a naked eye. So the game looks Super close to the PC version because of the Raytracing being kept and the cuts being in certain elements of the technique.
I hope more devs use this and tweak games to retain as much Raytracing as possible without hitting the Framerate as much because raytracing off and raytracing on is night and day but an in between method like this is hard to notice unless you are sensitive to it.
PC is still best by far though but I love how close Consoles are this time around. The PS4 was no where near as close to PC when it launched so seeing PS5 and Series be so close is a nice change.
@S S 27" 1440p Screen with HDR enabled. I can see the difference but in motion most won't see it at at all. Don't be an ass
@S S You heard it bro, don't be an ass.
@S S Quit being an ass, man
Can’t wait to see your video on Hitman 3.
Would love to see all the free improvements they gave us to the previous games.
Yeah 120fps mode coming for MW, etc
TLDR; the big one is screen space reflections, someone already did a comparison video
@@satnav9699 I believe you watched Nick's video?
Well yeah ur right
@@NonsensicalSpudz Are u talking about Midern warfare or am I dumb?
@@maismade6013 yeah yeah modern warfare
Thank you so much for going back and covering this one. My family owns the game on both PS5 and an RTX 3080 PC. I was genuinely impressed with the visuals on PS5 even in the 120Hz performance mode. Consoles will never look as good as a top-of-the-line PC, but the PS5 is an impressive piece of tech right now at the $500 mark.
No at the 1000 dollar mark
@@lfcobrikom5612 who would pay $1000 for a ps5? Lmao
HawfHuman someone who has waited and waited and yet can't get it for the so called 500 dollars
Literally half the stuff you're zooming in on I can barley tell a difference, good job though.
That’s why ultra settings pretty much never make sense in modern games, tiny resolution increase on something tiny in the background.
Also have to keep in mind how you're viewing the video tho difference become more apparent on the appropriate screen. Examples a phone screen with high pixel density vs 1080p tv vs 4k tv with high refresh rate etc. But yeah ultra is usually just for bragging rights XD
Ultra is night and difference
Barley tell the difference?
There's a grain of truth in that.
Wheat a few years and the field will open up.
@@pcgameboy8407 don’t you mean night and day. But nah it’s not all
As a PS5 owner, I like videos like this. Makes me happy I fought through the net for a PS5.
Cold war is not even utilizing ps5's super fast io / ssd and geometry engine
@@deepinsight1175 I can't for the next round of games that'll start to utilise the GE and SSD to its potential. It's going to be a great 6+ years.
@@rex41e I heard this generation will only be 5 years
Your ps5 have coil whine or not?
@@rex41e Insomniac have used it to eliminate loading screens from their games and Rift Apart looks like it’ll make great use of it in its game design. Credit where credit is due. Agree that we won’t see the very best of it until a few more years though.
That's incredibly powerful for a machine starting at $399
Good luck buying it for that price, maybe in another dimension
@@emulation2369 or just wait a few months until supply catches up
Don't forget the controller is included too which is about $70 worth.
@@kkrish18 controller isn't included in the price
@@teehundeart supply won't catch up this year with covid still been a massive issue for most
Still waiting for PC 2 to come out
Nah its highly overrated
@@friedpotato6037 How can something that never released be overrated in the first place?
Me too.
@@Shieftain I feel like you just opted to ignore the joke and slap some logic onto it
Quantum computer with Nvidia's QTX(Quantum ray tracing card)
Ahh yes the good ol “if you look up close” 😂
Exactly. Noone plays with 400% zoom.
Sounds like we have some sore losers butt-hurt over their poor 2nd place PS5 performance..... lmao... PS5 the "8k console" my ass....
@@markiusk3773 ok bro chill lmao
@@markiusk3773 nah man give it time and the PS5 is only going to get better , of course a proprietary console will underperform against a $1500+ PC but the results are comparable and I only spent $425 USD after taxes on my PS5 , just saying
@@markiusk3773 and yes I believe this console is capable at 8K 30 but who even wants/needs 8K , I’m cool with 4K 60
So between a 2070 super and a 3070. Basically right at the 2080 level the screen Valhalla video concluded too. Pretty damn impressive for a console
The PS5 is nowhere near the 3070. Lol As said in the video the GPUs were performing lower than they should of due to particle effects and such being higher on PC than PS5, causing them more hits to fps than theps5 since it doesnt have those effects. (See 13:10-13:30) The PS5 is weaker than a 3060, and around a 2070. Less with DLSS on. The 3060 build would be under 1k.
@@pcgameboy8407 They weren't able to conclude how heavy the effects of the particles would be.
A separate test with assassin's creed valhalla with more comparable settings found the ps5 in line with a 2080, and that makes sense here too.
In this test a 2080 super would be a little bit behind the ps5, but assuming the high res transparency effects have a 5-10 percent impact then we would be at, or just above the 2080.
@@russellfox5877 They said in the Assassin's Creed video that the game is very heavily favored in AMD, and Nvidia cards are underutilized. Also here he brings up that these are alpha particle resolution difference which is a setting that could cause major damage to fps on PC far mroe than just a 5-10% hit (also 10% worse than a 2080 super is less than a 2080), and there are multiple settings on PS5 lower than what PC can reach. The PS5 was under the 2080 super. Both AC and this benchmark shows PS5 is most likely at 2070s range, not counting DLSS which put the 2070s above the PS5 even with that hit to fps.
@@pcgameboy8407 Poor PC fan buoy
@@pcgameboy8407 Valhalla is also heavily favored in AMD lol
I have surgically removed my eyeballs and placed them INSIDE my monitor and I can now see difference
Wow, such a cool video. As someone who is a PS5 gamer, it's cool to see how the PS5 compares to PCs. Thanks for putting so much work into this.
I despise you
@@damiensweet6726 lol why?
@@damiensweet6726 why tho?
@@marcelorrios8689 because he was lucky enough to get his hands on one 😂😂
@@damiensweet6726 Lucky? I also got one but just pressed F5 for 2h straight. That has nothing to do with luck
Bruh unless you are playing on an 85" you will not notice any difference. All these videos/modes look super realistic and i'm watching this on a 1080p TV plus UA-cam compression on this video
You definitely notice the difference at higher resolution and at higher frame rates. It's hard going back to low resolution frame rates once you've experienced higher.
@@PomaReign anything past 60 fps isn’t noticeable, but ps5 is locked at 120 fps. You really arent able to see a fps difference
@@julius4826 Lies, why do people parrot this stuff, plenty of people use higher refresh rate monitors because the smoother motion is noticeable.
Gotta love Alex’s outro 👍
I'm at the point where I say it each time... I've been watching to much DF after I got my hands on next gen....
11:48 for optimised PS5 settings.
My wife has just found out I spent 2500 on a
PC because of a shadow And kick my ass'
Yeah you shouldn't have got a RTX 3090 bad value
@@spicynachos2762 3080 is over £500 less and you lose less than ten fps 😂
@@spicynachos2762 who said a 3090 fit in a 2500$ budget?
@@chemicalcabbage yeah that's exactly what I was saying.
@@spicynachos2762 Ik
Why don't you test the perf impact of the Effects setting? Low vs High.
Gamers Nexus “The ps5 is the equivalent to a 5 year old mid level pc” uhhh yeah about that
yea gamers nexus had a elitist mindset in that video. he should honestly delete the video.
That gamer nexus video was horrendous... made worse by the PC sheep in the comments validating his opinion. A PC 5 years ago doesn't have Ray tracing nor do they perform like PS5, strange video from that guy.
Did you even watch the whole video? The ps5 is running mainly at low to medium settings with one expectation being model quality
@@HQA0 what is the name of the video?
@@HQA0 and did u watch other games where it runs even better with a lot of settings at ultra like ac valhalla comes to mind heck it even had foliage beyond ultra on pc...u cant use one game/example as your definite answer and even so for 4 500 bucks it's pretty damn solid
Hm, most of the time i didn't see any real difference respectivly i had to "search" for it. That leads me to the question if i would even notice it while playing the game Oo
Definitely not lmao
Also depends on the screen you're using if viewing on a phone with high pixel density because of its size versus a 4k monitor or tv. The difference will be more apparent
Rtx in cold war makes such a small difference but still cuts fps in half, definitely not worth imo.
But the dot on the clock on highest resolution @4:04?! it's unforgivable. The fact that I know that dot exists while taking cover from enemy gunfire completely destroys my immersion. It's practically unplayable.
It's why I turned a lot of the settings to high/ultra for the campaign. After I beat it, I just uninstalled the ultra hd texture pack and turned everything down to low/medium because I'm literally not going to notice the difference running around on MP but the framerate boost definitely would help.
This is always great I hope this doesn't stop as the consoles become less new.
Nah it happens the same every console generation , as devs learn the ins and outs of a console, usually 2 or 3 years down the line, they peak out on the consoles max performance then it will start to trail behind PC a lot in terms of power but the value of your money when buying a console isn’t going anywhere anytime soon
@@draquafresh I agree consoles soon lag behind PCs but to be fair it pretty much took 7 years to max out PS4, Last of us P2.
@@marcusstoner1641 not really just look at uncharted 4 and that came out in 2016
Or even GTA V story mode that came out in 2013 lol
Shame PS5 'styling' looks like a car wreck lol
This was a great informative video Alex. Keep it up.
Solid effort here guys, much higher quality than the stuff coming out around console launches. Well done
I see that some people here write in comments that the PC won. But someone can tell me why I should buy a $ 1,700 PC (with RTX 3070) instead of a $ 399-499 console? To see the difference that is seen with 800% zoom only and when comparing side-by-side? Paying $ 1200-1300 more for this tiny difference .... ridiculous and dumb.
This is pretty much a last gen game. Nothing truly special about it. Wait for the true next gen games and they'll be more impressive. The PS5 has lots of potential that's basically being unused right now.
The prices of computers vary wildly based off of pre-built or building yourself. Prebuilt being more expensive sometimes by hundreds of dollars.. Mine cost about $1300 2 years ago (prebuilt) and still offers generally better performance than the new consoles. I can also overclock it and add more memory at anytime to increase its performance even better. I also use it for more than just games. PC is just for people who prefer options. I don't think I'm superior and am glad you guys are getting more options.
@@seanporcelli3965 Unfortunately in the last year or so PC gaming became for the rich because the street prices on graphics cards are so high. It is hard to find a 2060 card for less than a PS5 cost right now. This problem will get even worse with the new tariffs on graphics cards in the US.
@@jacobswan9737 Thats for all gaming though. Nobody can get a hold of anything. People are selling ps5s for $1500.
The rtx 3070 which is the one DF says it outperforms ps5 by just a tiny bit retail price is 500 ps5 retail is 400 so you are telling me that ps5 looks as good as a mid end probably high end pc cuz they still have not really tapped on the ps5 power , and it cost less than just one graphics card .. that’s a win btw the ps5 is more next gen cuz the ssd it uses .the old ssds that your pc build use can not even Run let’s say miles morales or demons souls
lol with DLSS 2070s is not hitting 60s, Ps5 is a beast for this price.
lol on mine 2070s it hits above 60fps whats your cpu?
They used this scene as kind of a worst case benchmark scenario. Most of the time the game won’t be as intensive. I used to have a 2070s and at 1440p RT on and high I got around 70-80 fps with no DLSS
I should also mention that DLSS is basically a defacto setting on 20 series cards and up. With how good DLSS 2.0 is, there’s pretty much no reason to not have it on. 2070s with DLSS commonly stays in the 90s for fps
@@Mcawsome2490 Obviously 2070s can be at 60dps but at 2k, if you can watch this scene is at 4K on all platforms. No dynamic resolution in this scence.
@@stathisxgr4507 on 2k lol
All versions look great. I have both a PC and PS5. Got to say I love both.
You should be saying the pc version . Be real fps are meant for a KB and M not a controller
@@wozzielfc401 I am being real both are excellent visually and as experiences. Keyboard and mouse is faster and generally better but controller is cool to. I use both on PC depending on the game. I love the haptics on the Dual Sense. It is good that although there will be differences betweem platforms, fidelity is good enough that the focus now and chat should be about games.
@@wozzielfc401 woooow, just let the man love his devices, no need to coming in like that.
Relax fellas im one of those fake trolls but since you guys took it without no stress . Well played guys true gaming spirit 😁 I legit dont care where people game
@Co M. mate where's your enthusiasm 😅
imagine a normal fellow noticing all these details
Imagine being so imperceptive you can't notice them.
It’s also important to remember no ones used the PS5 geometry system to date yet or tapped into its full power so we’ve still got a lot more bang for buck to come
Lmao another thinking secret sauce will save it , PC cards have a geometry engine , so does the serie s/x consoles
@@ANFWHGPIE23 What? you clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Sony integrated dedicated Shaders to the GPU, other GPUs do support mesh shaders but Consoles will always be better performing for the same hardware because of the fine-grain optimization that develop do.
No one is going to optimize for a specific GPU, from a specific vendor with a specific hardware configuration on PC, on consoles you can. In fact, Sony launches many games on a single device which allows you fully utilize it. 100%.
The geometry engine is marketing vodoo until proven otherwise. I have a PS5 and would place my bets on a competent AI super sampling solution from AMD before hoping for some geometry engine miracle.
@@Shvabicu Geometry engine is exactly the same as in mesh shaders in modern GPUs. the difference is that Sony studios will take better advantage of it because they can refine their games around a single spec! if you know nothing about game development, stop typing
@@codethis2875 XSX supports primitives too , what so especial about geometry engine ? Like I said PC GPUS have geometry engine or how you expect them to handle triangles lol
I'm glad to see I made the right decision going with the ps5 for next gen gaming
PS5 GPUs are dying like crazy tho. Have fun while it lasts. ;)
@@LiquidSpartan117 no they are not.
@@FFTM155 yes they are. Look up "PS5 artifacts" there's even like a 15 minute montage of all the dead GPUs, and I see more coming every week. Overclocked GPUs tend to do that.
@@LiquidSpartan117 Kinda predicted it. They run too hot. I've been calling the PS5 Sony's RROD moment since it became apparent the memory runs at 85c under load. In 12 months... Sony is going to have a heck of a problem on their hands.
@@LiquidSpartan117 i have no problems and i am not the only one. All my friends that bought the ps5 have no problems. PS5 eu versions. So try again. Ps5 works with no problems. And it is great console. Oh yeah gpu of ps5 is not overclocked.
And gamers nexus tried to say that ps5 was about equal to a 1060
Because Gamer Nexus only tested last gen games that just ran on PS5 with low effort tweaks.
Last gen games run on PS5 like 1070 Ti, well optimised cross gen games that Digital Foundry use for comparisons get 2080S performance out of PS5. Not a coincidence.
@@lilyflower6265 Forget the PS5 feature set. COD Cold War is a cross gen game and RTX 3070 only has 8% higher average fps on approximately same settings in this test that's pretty damn close. How tf you go from that to GTX 1060 lol.
@@lilyflower6265 He says it is equivalent to mid to high end PC from 5 years ago at the end of the video lol. I guess we will forget about the GPU that supports hardware accelerated ray-tracing, PCIE Gen 4 SSD, 8 core Ryzen Zen 2 CPU, custom hardware for audio processing which saves on CPU cycles, and the massive I/O bandwidth advantage over any PC thanks to more custom hardware... How does a channel entirely dedicated to looking at boring graphs for 30 minutes on end on all things related to gaming tech reach kind of conclusion? Based on looking at 3 non-demanding last gen games with PS5 patches... Unbelievable.
@@lilyflower6265 I guess you are right though I would also argue that even if he isn't into consoles he has a responsibility towards his audience to have a better grasp on the subject when making a video like this.
@@lilyflower6265 Yeah I am not even acknowledging those kind of fanboy channels. What I meant was that people go to tech channels like DF or Gamers Nexus to see objective reviews based on empirical data not to listen to opinions. I know Steve is particularly good at the empirical data part but yeah when it comes to console stuff DF and NX Gamer are a lot more knowledgeable.
Nice I’ve been waiting for this analysis for a while now. PS5 blew me away at 120 FPS.
Can you feel the difference of 120fps compared to 60 on a 60hz TV?
@@arthurwaring no.
@@arthurwaring yes
@@scissortongue5772 LMFAO hell ya you can it's night and day
@@arthurwaring no
Of course we never expected the PS5 to hold up against modern PCs but still impressive
here the thing it does hold up
If I were to show some some joe smoe. They wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
@@Oceanandskylinevidss True they both look great no matter what platform your on.
@@Oceanandskylinevidss They'd be able to see the price difference though.
@@MARK111126 Not really.. this isn't a like for like comparison. Settings on PC like pixel resolution are much higher than PS5 as said on 13:10 and onward. The pc was performing worse than it should've, but cant get as low as PS5 settings. Pretty much everyone skipped straight to the fps part without listening to his "keep in mind" part.
So basically the shadows arent hdr’er enough. Got it
Great video! Lots of people not understanding that the zoom in parts were primarily explaining how you investigated to find comparable PC settings to PS5 so you could run a benchmark at the end to compare hardware. I appreciate it though, it's genuinely interesting.
I don’t think most players are looking that closely when playing a fast-paced FPS...lol.
I remember when I played the campaign and stopped to stare at this clock. I stopped playing cause it just isn't good enough🤣🤣🤣
Not only that, but you probably ran out immediately to pay a scalper price for RTX 3080 and enjoy the clock model and grass without halo effect in all it's glory (dare I say "as it's meant to be played") xD
The amout of work done on this video analysis is phenomenal.
The SSR setting on PC doesn't work, I'm surprised you saw a difference when you set it to high, leave the menu and go back, it'll be back on low
Even I'm facing the same issue. I wonder why it goes down to low. Could it be GPU-specific?
@@bensunnyisaac I'm not sure, I'm running a 2080ti, I've had the issue since launch, so it could be, but I'm nowhere near running out VRAM
@@postalsamGAMING huh, that's interesting. Would setting it to high and restarting the game work?
Or maybe force the option from an .ini file?
I’ve had the same problem, setting always goes back to low whenever I try to change it to high.
Honestly, I don't think this setting would make much of a difference, especially when playing Multiplayer.
200 400 600 800 percent zoom come on DF we need to see 1000 percent wtf
10x zoom lmao
Excellent work! Meticulously detailed!
What are the Series X's settings? The same or lower?
Same
Pretty similar or lower!
I think is the same with better lighting
I think is similar with the ps5, but the whole point of the comparison is that scene where the ps5 runs at native 4k cause of a bug in DRS implementation, which makes more easier to compare with pc .
It's the same on both consoles
Compare Cold War PS5 to last gen next, pls
its a small upgrade over MW so you've already got a base for how it runs
They won’t because it looks and runs like DICK on ps4 pro. The beta test say everything you need to know. MW was flawless from alpha, they ruined mw when it launched
@@philliprokkas195 but they already compared with pro didn't they?
@@marcelorrios8689 never brother. The beta and Alfa tests only which ran like cock.
@@marcelorrios8689 they won’t because one x runs too similarly to ps5 and leagues better than pro. I own both
God damn your sign off Alex is the reason I watch till the the end !
Just skip all the way to the end then.
@@jimmelton5846 he said it's the reason he watches till the end, not the reason he watches the videos.
@@HerrSchmitti so he watches to the end because he enjoys the video.
So where is the XSX vs PC comparison?
The ps5 and xbox versions are literally the same, it be a waste of time to compare both of the consoles when you can nab the console with the bigger fan base and use that instead of ps5 AND xbox
because they are like 1 FPS difference at the same settings
@FreedomAreComing id 100% much prefer xbox to ps5 beacause of gamepass, but when the the consoles are performing the same on a game, its better to use the PS for the "___ vs PC" since PS are good for views
Unbelievable amount of work you put in here
"At 600% we can see the PS5 really suffers because the button on the alarm clock is less round..." LOL!!!
It was actually very round lmao
Well, actually the PS5 managed to keep the button round.😉
So the ps5 performs similarly to the 2080 again just like valhalla? I'm interested to how gamers Nexus got the results that they did tbh
the games tested and only focusing on 120fps.
Maybe in this game. But in many others it performs like a 2070 and sometimes 2060. It all depends on the game, what's happening on screen, and of course optimization.
He got those results by cherry picking certain scenarios, and using backwards compatible PS4 games. You must remember he's a PC fanboy, and his channel revolves around that crowd. But the results he got were baffling.
While ps5 is running lower than low effects and df stated that they chose the most disadvantaged scene for pc😂 it's 2060s-2070 my boi, not 1060 or 2080
Their testing was garbage, and full of nitpicking. It's a PC focused channel, people who watch that channel don't buy consoles, so it doesn't matter really.
Can you do a Destiny 2 PS5 vs PC? How does graphic details, game performance and response times differ?
Its like ps4 vs PC just resolution bump and 60fps
The pc performance of this game for me on pc has been garbage. It wasn't like this before. The performance degraded for some reason
I’d rather see Godfall PS5 vs PC because Destiny 2 is just a backwards compatibility patch.
@@najib9093 nah they updated it for next gen
@@najib9093 Destiny 2 isn't a backwards compatibility patch. It does look a little bit less graphically resolution graphically than pc on some textures but maybe a little better than the PS4 Pro version.
For once a game that seems to perform as expected given the power of the new consoles' hardware.
COD games have always been very well optimized
@@UlyssesM There is still some heavy stutter at random points in multiplayer on PS5, even with nothing going on with raybtracing on. It needs further optimization.
@@UlyssesM p
@@nickmotsarsky4382 no.
you need to turn RT off.
these baby machines cant handle it.
@@killervztwogaming5796 No, it clearly needs optimization because the stutter happens when nothing is going on even if you're looking at the ground. It's a cross-gen, cross-platform launch game. The PS5 is capable of much more.
Instead of saying PC vs PS5 or Series X, show us the specs of the PC so we can compare prices as well
That's exactly what he did, did you even watch the video?
Bro he said that the ps5 FPS is close to the rtx3070 look up just the retail price for that graphics card , the ps5 is cheaper than the graphics card, he says it just out performs it by a tiny bit (3070) that card is $500 in nvidias site the digital ps5 is $400
@@slurmsmckenzie. That's not what he said. He said the ps5 is 8% slower than the 3070 and 20% faster than the 2070 super.
Around a 2080/2080 super.
@@harlenkelly7331 look at the average FPS result the 3070 outperforms ps5 by just just 4 FPS on average that’s not even a lot and we are looking at a multiplat game either way I can not build a 400 pc with those results
@@slurmsmckenzie. That's right, you cannot build a similar pc for double the price of a ps5 digital edition.
Amazing work Alex!
I forgot this game even existed.
I wonder why this has not been done for Gears 5 on Xbox Series X and pc
Because not one person cares about gears 5
@@Loganreit
In case you do not know Gears 5 is the only console game that uses the highest level of textures same as pc
So think again....
Maybe bc that engine didn't support it?
@@Loganreit DF has made like 4 videos on Gears 5 on the xsx/xss till now tho.
I'd say it'd be more interesting to compare the xss to an equivalent pc.
Alex, you did a lot of work for this. But my main take away is that I can turn all my PC settings from HIGH to LOW/MEDIUM and it will look exactly the same to my eye as I'm playing the game. Haha, thanks.
Interesting! Lets let’s see what the professionals down in the comments think 🤔
We all know we come to digital foundry so we can see all the expert fanboys in the comment section bicker about a 2 fps difference
I think that this game is dogshit because of sbmm
LMAO underrated comment
Digital foundry is bought by Sony, just like activision.
Lets let's see if you can complete a sentence.
Which CPU were you using in the PC side? I think that that it is a very important information that you forgot to mention in the video. Thanks!
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Ryzen 5 3600. It's Zen 2 and comparable (although 6 cores) to the ones found on PS5 & XSX
@@Machinorio ps5 and xsx use ryzen 7 3700x though
@@ragnarlothbrok4659 It would be the 3700x if the CPUs weren't gimped by memory latency and tight power budgets. The 3600 is a good equivalent in this case, at least for the Xbox. For PS5 its not clear just how much the clocks will be sacrificed to keep the GPU clocks up, so PS5 can be expected to perform worse than a 3600.
@@sergeysiminyuk lol that's just sheer speculation
Alex is the best. We need more PC vs Console videos as it used to be.
Ehh would of liked it if he can find comparison that is actually like for like, and not some uneven comparison where setting are higher on PC, which causes fps to be lower on PC than it should be. I'm sure there were better areas in the game to compare.
12:59 Too Much Graphics Error
Could you guys do a review on the xbox one x and series x, showing how 120 hz mode doesn't work on all monitors that actually support it. This has been an ongoing issue for years now. Huge forum on reddit and Microsoft help pages. Its something to do with the way Microsoft is coding the system. It won't recognise some monitors correctly. Many of us hoped that it would be fixed on the new consoles, but it isnt. Maybe you shining a light on this would get them to fix it. I was told a update would fix it on the One X, but it never came.
it all seems to be PS5, buddy. i've just unsubbed. really pissing me off now.
@@DickieBeard If Halo Infinite was released at launch and say one more top launch exclusive for Xbox , do you think DF would have more videos up bout Xbox right now or nah ?
@@Random_qubit could they not include it in all of the comparison videos then?
@@DickieBeard
There is no point
1- this video was PS5 because of a Bug in dynamic resolution , the cutscene was stuck at native 4k causing the FPS to drop , making it ideal for comparison against pc
2- the Valhalla video ?
The scenes they were comparing were the ones running at the lowest Res which 1440p on ps5 , to match 1440p on pc
Those scenes are 1188p on series X so what's the point.
Pretty much every other comparison video has both consoles
@@Fastwalker27 👍 thank you
Nice video. But in the PC comparison chart you are basically saying that the ps5 performs almost at a 6800 level despite having half as many CUs, SUs and TMUs, while having less ROPs and bandwidth as well. Interesting. I'd love to know the reasons behind this.
Playing on PS5 I noticed your character does not cast any shadows. The level where you walk through the bombed out snowy base, your character casts zero shadows. Even though the environment does
@Alâ In what fucking universe is that relevant to the original comment?
Can u make more comparisons like this in the future. Ty
Alex, you are a gift to us all.
I will not lie, I love to see consoles being able to match up to PCs that cost almost triple.
Well, that's what it's supposed to do. It's sold at a loss and is mass produced.
Especially after PC gamers say everything possible to make it sound like consoles are lightyears away. Comparing them to video cards is pretty daft but many of them do it. Consoles have always been about optimization
I must need my eyes checked coz 90 % of the stuff I couldn’t tell the difference even though he zoomed in about 400% Good video though
lol yeah, i was like 'what f%^&ing halo?' lmao
Yeah. Yall may want to because at age 12, I was prescribed reading glasses and I saw what he was showing us with them off pretty easy. I'm 34 now, so my eyes should be worse. Lol
@@GameFanaTICK386 lol
@@GameFanaTICK386 glad you could see them buddy. 🖖
Some of it was pretty obvious difference like shadows, RT, and particle effects
I'm soooo glad I can't really see that much of a difference in most of those comparisons, even side by side, zoomed in, and slowed down. I imagine that the cumulative effect of all those do add to the overall, can't quite "put your tongue on it" picture quality/realism.
Which is impressive for the PS5 taking into account that the majority of people don’t own a hi end PC
Really!? I thought everybody who plays games was granted a high end pc from gaming fairies
Bang your hand on the wall, everytime he says 'look closely', same effect as taking a shot, but long lasting.
Will there be an optimized setting video for the PC version?
When you have to resort to zooming in by 400-800%, is it even worth trying to make a comparison anymore? Honestly, who is going to get out their binoculars and play the game?
Comparison was for perf different with graphics parity which still wasn't achieved but gave a rough idea to the viewers.
It makes it easier to see where settings are.
I made the same argument 4 years ago with reconstruction techniques, but apparently 500% zooming and slow motion while you are playing a game was vital back then.
@@AKSBSU zooming in just to show what exactly they are talking about. When playing these things are actually more noticeable.
@@pcgameboy8407 No, they are far LESS noticeable when playing because you aren't focused on rough edges of a crate or shrub when you're fighting half a dozen enemies or racing around at track at high speed. Most of these things are undetectable when you are actually playing because your attentional resources are focused elsewhere.
could you work out a “performance per dollar” scale, just for fun. Could well be impossible, but worth a thought?
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Oh dear. That would result in some very angry PC users. We can't have that!
@@AJ-xv7oh but they need some reality check
Ez, PS4 399$ on release > PS5 399$ on release
No no no then we will be the bad guys because we prefer value rather than paying an arm and a leg for power that won’t even be optimized well for a lot of games
Revolutionary stuff
really informative and helpful well done 👏!
I remember when the PS5 was considered a 2060 super and not even 2070. From that to almost 3070 is damn impressive.
I always wondered how the consoles could pull off fractured jaw with RT. Even a 3080 has issues with that level. Also a little shocked the 2070 S was so outpaced by the ps5. Lastly, this is how you do a pc to console comparison-GN take note!
Well ps5 has some bandwidth heavy settings below low. And once you enable dlss which still takes diespace and money, so everyone should a enable it and b use it in comparisons, it beats the console by a huge margin.
Still hoping a switch pro gets dlss.
But, but, but, steve from gamers nexus told me that a ps5 is equivalent to a mid/high pc from 2015... now you tell me ps5 is that close to a 2070s.. whaaat??? Someone needs copium..
@@ishanawate1849 actually ps5 is close to a 2080 super.
@@frederikgoogel5611 cross plat games definitely dont favor consoles in general. ps5 should have improved checkerboard to come in the future that will provide a similar maybe slight less efficient boost compared to dlss. but then its still up to developers to take advantage of it.
@@toeknee3302 Yeah probably.. but most certainly atleast equivalent to a 2070S, assuming that if the pc settings could be dropped lower to exactly match the ps5, the 2070S could make up the around 20% difference you see in that airplane sequence.
Incredible value for money this console, and even more so if you get the digital for 399.
First ever console generation that compares to high end PCs at the time of its release. I think we have some incredible games ahead of us this gen.
@@ConstantineBerdnikov Lol, no. PC gaming still = GTX 1060 at this point. If you're picking a card that came out literally the same year the new consoles arrived it's just proving my point.
I've a question: if I play in 1080p, are there any improvements for ray tracing and the other effects?
Doubt it. The ray-tracing settings are baked in and designed for the higher resolution the PS5 is targeting. At 1080p you'll get the benefit of downsampling.
Since the PS5 is always rendering the image above 1080p you won't notice any drops in resolution like you would on a 4K display. ...The option to trade
resolution for better rt would be cool. However, that type of granular control is still exclusive to PC. Most console games will probably provide rt on/off.
No, the system supersample/upscales regardless of the output resolution. 120hz mode, standard mode with ray tracing off and ray tracing on are the only settings that will change how the game runs.
Simple answer is no. These new features (ie raytracing) are designed for 4K in mind. Often as others have said, is that the internal game engine renders the “rays” at 4K, so unless your display can also render/display at 4k, you won’t see the results.
You will still get the advantages of Supersampling to the 1080P display, but the difference is extremely subtle, and only the keen eye will really see a major difference.
If you can afford to get a 4K Raytracing graphics card/gaming PC, you can surely afford to get a 4K HDR display.
I wouldn’t even recommend building a Raytracing PC unless you already had a capable display. Putting Ferrari tires won’t make your Civic any faster. Sure if you put a device to it you might notice a 1% performance increase, but no one will notice that without the measuring device.
Those tires are meant to be used on a Ferrari, hence the name. That 4K Raytracing gaming PC is your tires, and the 4K HDR monitor is the Ferrari, without the two of them together, it’s essentially pointless.
LOL. I can't wait to tell someone "That ray tracing is boiling!"
This is brilliant. You've done what I have essentially wasted so many hours of my life doing for dozens of games over the last two decades, anytime I had a game for console and my higher end PC. Please do more of these!!
PS5 is Impressive for the price, but I'd still prefer even a mid end gaming rig with a rtx 2060 and a ryzen 5 if short on cash. Because of the freedom, cheaper games, life span and free online and of course pc being a necessity while a console isn't.
its funny how you need 800% zoom and special explanation just to understand if rtx is on or off
You don't. You only need functioning eyes. The zoom is needed to analyze the visual quality of the RT..
It's much more noticable when you game actually. Videos just don't do justice to raytracing most of the time.