That would be interesting. A movie like The Disaster Artist about the making of one of the worst movies of all times. They should do that with Foodfight
Larry Kasanoff had the original footage "stolen" so he could try to keep the 65 million. But to his disbelief the companies involved said keep going so he quickly threw together the creepy crappy crud we have today. This is what I believe when I hear the backstory.
Couldn’t we just get the animators who worked on the original version and just make a better version that cuts out the nonsensical mess of the 2012 Version and add some of the scenes from the 2002 Version along with new footage to make a new version of Foodfight that’s actually good.
@@superfelipestudios8104 It wasn't deleted either. It turns out the whole theft story was made up by Larry and crewmembers were using those files even after the theft. In comparison, the only source for them being deleted was some random anon Reddit account.
Simple. It was worthless to every thief with this it WAS valuable for the time. Everyone knew the emoji movie would suck. no one at the time of this original release it would be viewed as the worst animated film of all time.
The whole project just seems like a cash grab as well, like they didn't care about the story. I was reading an old article and somebody was bragging about possible bidding wars for rights to merchandise, only money was on the brain.
@@TheRoomforImprovement if that's the case, Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson are also the case because they made the sequel trilogy worse.
Regardless of how I feel about the guy directing and producing the movie I still feel terrible for the company. Having a passion project just completely stolen after years upon years of work sounds awful.
No kidding. How about the fact that the final project made you the laughing stock of the industry? Now it seems like everyone is picking on them, in spite of their Disney simulators and Lego specials actually being really enjoyable. I'm sticking by them with their Tetris movie they're working on, and am looking forward to it. I just hope (after this pandemic is over, at least) that it doesn't have to many production problems too.
Recent crewmember interviews have debunked that anything was stolen and that anything beyond a 8 minute showreel was ever made for the "original version". So we felt bad for nothing!
+Katarina Kinumi I don't think she looked either of those. However, she did look good, what I mean by that is that she didn't look pretty but as a character model the animators did good on her. Like, she didn't have super lifeless eyes.
That's why I said for a computer-animated character from the 2000s. During that time, making a computer-animated character that looked that way was pretty difficult, so I think they did a good job with what they could manage. (and she was actually blinking!)
+Balbys23 It's a throwback to the old Looney Tunes cartoons where at night the consumer products come to life. Terrible animation but it must have been a good sales pitch.
The 2002 trailer looks way better than the 2012 trailer, even if it's outdated. The animation is a little bit better in the old trailer than the "new" trailer.
@@bagelq2028 This is what I surmise happened in September 2002. Larry Kasanoff has the money from investors ready to green light the almost finished product although Chester Cheetah is in the product as a cameo, there's other icons he wants to use so he goes to Dole, Frito Lay, Sun Maid e.t.c and asks for clearance to use the likenesses, the Companies then have their laywers order Threshold Entertainment email and mail them a draft of the script. The Lawyers read it to the companies, a response is sent back to Kasanoff "We Decline, This script and humor is not representative of family values and thus it is not in our interest to associate our brands with this type of film, we ask that you omit any planned models of our brand icons or we will take legal action" . Kasanoff is stymied, with clearance from the Food companies DENIED, and with the risk of legal hell if he ignores their warning, he has no choice but to shelve the project until further notice. He doesn't care about the script, he feels its fine. And so in December 2002, the project is postponed. The drives containing models and grocery icons are stored away in his own File cabinet. To bide time, he fabricates a whopper that they were stolen. June 2007, 5 years pass, Kasanoff is ready to start over again, but Threshold Entertainment doesn't want to pony up money for newer rendering software, so they order software from 2003. To make matters worse, everyone is behind schedule so there's no time to overlay the CG animation or finish the new models for that matter. March 2009, Food Fight is finally completed after 8 years of production hell. Kasanoff sends the shit looking product to Hollywood studios and Movie companies everywhere. But they THEY had standards. The prints are sent back to him with scathing rejection letters and TE, some even have responses like "Are you serious?", "Okay, go buy out McDonalds first and then we'll do it" "HELL no!". For 2 years, Kasanoff is left with nothing. Hollywood has rejected Food Fight. November 2011, for some reason a UK studio and investor agrees to distribute the film in the UK for a early Summer release. June 2012, Food Fight is released in the UK theaters, it bombs badly. September 2012, Food Fight finally gets a quiet Direct to DVD release in North America. It becomes one of the biggest DTV/DVD release commercial failures of all time.
I get the feeling that the custom texture packs for each model, shadow coding and possible some of the motion smooth and motion fill were the resources lost.
The sad thing is this movie had some potential in the beginning. It is a pretty clever idea and judging from the original trailer the original animation was nothing spectacular but not terrible. But with all these production problems it was basically set to fail.
Quite a pity that it had ALOT of problems it suffered. If I was in-charge of the entire movie, which I am not in-charge of the movie, I would make sure to fix everything that happened during the film's production and make sure it becomes a very perfect, funny, enjoyable and wonderful animated CGI cartoony movie to watch! Just saying.
This reminds me of what happen with Fant4stic, a director who was out of his mind and not fit for the job, studio heads messing with the project, scenes cut out, decent actors with nothing to do, had old cut of movie removed for different one, reshoots that don't match with the original, shooty cg in places ( though a lot more in food fight), budget cut, and finally a release of a rushed broken mess of a movie.
I am utterly fascinated by this "film". There is so much done right leading up to the production and then it is clear something happened beyond the robbery
@@masonwhite4262 Sadly, it wouldn’t, because even if the 2002 animation still looked better, the movie would still suffer from terrible writing, no consistency, disgusting sex jokes, awful food puns, unlikable characters, and a story that’s just all over the place.
The 1st Hoodwinked movie's animation may not be great, but the writing and characters make up for it. And look at South Park, it works cuz Trey Parker and Matt Stone are very good at writing stories and jokes, and the crummy animation also helps make that show funny. So yes, even if the files were never stolen, Foodfight would still be a pile of garbage.
And Don’t forget about ReBoot, even though the animation didn’t look that great by today’s standards, at least it had a compelling premise, likable characters, good humor, and compelling villains as well
+MysteryMii215 +Billy Barnett or maybe someone who worked on it, stole the hard drives and turned it into Wreck-It Ralph. I know, because the plot is similar to Foodfight, where the place is closed at night and comes to life
I'd love to see a movie company that takes really badly received movies and make them into the excellent ones they had the potential to be (e.g this and The Room).
MY IDEA FOR THE FOOD FIGHT MOVIE CONCEPT: Lady X could have been in a relationship with Dex Dogtective in the beginning of the story's prologue (in opening credits form), as she is a successful, powerful and world renowned product icon (or ike), with Dex supporting her by her side while he does his normal detective business. However, over the years, Lady X becomes arrogant with how her company runs things, losing touch with how her food merchandise is produced, as its quality of it gradually deteriorates over the years. This upsets Dex as he believes that this method of business will not only damage her career, but also its consumers as well. As a result, their relationship eventually reduces to a break-up. Although, Dex is no longer in the spotlight with Lady X, over time, her bad quality of food products takes effect on the people, resulting in her being recalled, effectively destroying her career as an ike. After she is pulled from the shelves of the stores, Dex learns to live on with his life, focusing on his job until her meets Sunshine Goodness and starts dating her. From that point, on the original story can take off from there. This would give Lady X a reason to resurface within the ike community, trying to resurrect her once unbeatable position of the food world, including trying to get Dex back with her, as she briefly mentioned wanting to be with him in the original movie. Also, she doesn't turn into a ugly person when Sunshine kicks her ass. Lady X still goes to prison, or whatever, because she trying taking over the ike world, as well as the food industry. Although Dex feels bad for her, he still rejects her plead to reconcile their once powerful relationship because of her actions and what she had become.
It does sounds better, but what about the animation and the way the ikes come to life when the store is closed? Also their should really rename the market's name
Through in a better animation style, likable versions of the other characters, and a better use of the official icons, and more consistent world building and you'll get a waaaaay better film.
It's....kinda strange to think about how close this movie almost was to being....decent. The trailer stuff looks fairly fun. Maybe not Pixar levels or anything, but still a million times better than what the movie finally was. I almost hope this movie gets sort of the Thief and the Cobbler Recobbled treatment someday to get it at least closer to the original idea.
Yeah, I just hope the story was better back then. Chester Cheetah was in it (and does more than make bad bald and fart jokes), so maybe there were some things left out of the final product (or maybe the company behind Cheetos got impatient and called it quits.b
Or better improve upon the Idea and story like make how the characters come to life more specific and rewrite basically the whole story to make it more coherent and compelling, hell make it a bit like Shrek where it is self aware with it’s own idea which can give it’s sense of humour a medda, witty and unique style to make it funnier. Like the post credit scenes can make fun of the fact that the characters in the better movie have seen the horrible version and the main character will have a vivid nightmare of his supermarket become the worst movie ever made. I can imagine this literally being more funnier than the entirety of this film, as for the animation. I would redesign everyone and experiment with the medium of animation by having different characters have different animation and art styles as all supermarket icons are drawn or illustrated differently. I would do all of this if I have my own animation studio or a lot of money...:(
Basically remake the whole movie to be a classic! Seriously I have a bit of a soft spot for this movie’s CONCEPT mind you... It really has potential to make itself a animation or movie classic!! I hope someday there will be a reboot of foodfight, a version with great animation, great compelling characters, great humour and most importantly an interestingly unique story! Seriously this Low-key deserved to be rebooted and improved upon! :)
I wish they would remake this movie; I think with a huge rewrite in the story and script (take out the fart jokes and sexual innuendos), as well as recreate the models inspired from the 2002 designs, this can become a decent movie. EXAMPLE: Lady X could have been in a relationship with Dex Dogtective in the beginning of the story's prologue (in opening credits form), as she is a successful, powerful and world renowned product icon (or ike), with Dex supporting her by her side while he does his normal detective business. However, over the years, Lady X becomes arrogant with how her company runs things, loosing touch with how her food merchandise is produced, as its quality of it gradually deteriorates over the years. This upsets Dex as he believes that this method of business will not only damage her career, but also its consumers as well. As a result, their relationship eventually reduces to a break-up. Although, Dex is no longer in the spotlight with Lady X, over time, her bad quality of food products takes effect on the people, resulting in her being recalled, effectively destroying her career as an ike. After she is pulled from the shelves of the stores, Dex learns to live on with his life, focusing on his job until her meets Sunshine Goodness and starts dating her. From that point, on the original story can take off from there. This would give Lady X a reason to resurface within the ike community, trying to resurrect her once unbeatable position of the food world, including trying to get Dex back with her, as she briefly mentioned wanting to be with him in the original movie. Also, she doesn't turn into a ugly person when Sunshine kicks her ass. Lady X still goes to prison, or whatever, because she trying taking over the ike world, as well as the food industry. Although Dex feels bad for her, he still rejects her plead to reconcile their once powerful relationship because of her actions and what she had become.
I've never seen someone take their own personal time to do research on the history of Foodfight! and make a whole video about it. My hat goes off to you Animat.
My god, that makes so much sense. Who would honestly decide to become the director of a movie when they have no experience in filmmaking whatsoever? Even Jeffrey Katzenberg would never direct any movie at Dreamworks, because he actually knows how to run a company. Larry Kasanoff was being too greedy and wish washy and decided to direct the project, yet he ended up having no clue what to do with it and gave us the unfinished broken disaster piece we have today. Granted you could view the movie as a guide on how NOT to make an animated movie, but either way you'll always see it as a failure in film and animation.
From what I've read in the comments, I heard they said that Larry added in too much innuendos which explains the delays. They even said Larry was too overconfident in which he decided to direct and produce the film, probably to show how good he is despite having no animation experience before. He and the animators were speaking in two different languages and kept saying things like make it more awesome.
Why on earth did he think Looney Tunes-style animation and motion-capture would easily blend together? The two are complete opposites. Every character in this film moves like they just drank twelve shots of tequila and consider coordination a suggestion.
Sunshine actually looks *cute* in the original trailer. Like, for the time she's a pretty good-looking catgirl. Look at her eyes, look at how expressive her tail is. What the hell did they do to you?
+Wah Tek Lim many others too like lucky charms. I just can't help but to think "how much different would this movie have been if they hadn't pulled out, or lost the files?" Because the 2012 one definetly has some obvious budget issues and feels like pieces are missing.
Was Chester Cheetah actually crucial to the plot? The brand mascots that were still in the film didn't do anything, so it's a little hard for me to believe.
honestly, I think the 2002 Foodfight may have had a different script/story that was better than the disaster we all know today. Maybe Threshold forgot about the original story. Maybe that was the reason for all the delays. They would "never" mess with a good story. But boy were we wrong about that.
What makes you think the 2002 Foodfight had a different script? Did anyone even say that online? Is the 2002 Foodfight tailed different? Did you find any leaks?
The trailer at the end actually looks more decent than Norm of the North, and that's saying something, especially since it was from 2002. The script is still shit though, so it wouldn't help much, but at least it'll be a somewhat decent movie. Thanks for the history lesson on this movie, I had no idea so many things went wrong during the production, no wonder it was delayed for almost a decade.
Batter Sempai If the movie released as planned, I think that it would’ve gone by as another one of the bunch Cgi animated films of the early 2000’s. (And maybe be remembered fondly due to nostalgia).
+Hewylewis I would, I'd simply make it better. But I can't because I'm working on a story of memes. But I'm making my story look specific and reasonable. Even better than Foodfight. Would you like to see the novel? Here ya go. But keep in mind it's still ongoing.Trust me bro, I know what I'm doing with this novel. www.wattpad.com/story/37790294-meme-world
I've thought of the same thing, but honestly they'd have to change the script. Take away the food puns, innuendos and have a decent character development, and THEN remake it. But it'd be hard to convince studios to remake it because of its past failure
Thank you for making a comparison to Who Framed Rodger Rabbit. I actually notice there's a lot of good comparisons to make, but theres a big difference. Execution of it is everything
It's pretty incredible to see how different the film became after it's animation was stolen. It looked pretty decent in the trailer, not to mention the song in the trailer was pretty catchy, and also, CHEETOES CHEETAH!!!!
It was nice of Animat to do a Side-by-Side comparison between the 2002 & 2012 versions of Foodfight! If I ever work in Hollywood, I'll make sure to not mess things up when I make an awesome CGI movie.
Damn. I heard the thing about the original film being the stolen, and I had the strongest feeling that the director was the one who led to it's downfall, and though I wasn't sure at first... I was entirely right.😂😹 I can't thank you enough, Animat.
Part of me makes me think of another Roger-Rabbit-type movie populated with both original and rejected characters. No recognizable characters whatsoever.
It actually makes sense to say Larry Kassinoff dropped the ball. First rule of leadership; everything is your fault. If you wanna avoid a project ending up similar to this, you need to coordiante better with your team. If something is going wrong, find a solution to correct it. And also remember, making things more raunchy doesn't necessarily equal making it more mature.
10:39 "No matter how good of an idea you have, you must leave it to the professionals to execute it right. Otherwise you'd be spending years driving yourself and a lot of people into madness that would ultimately lead to possibly your biggest failure." Soooooooo, Kasanoff is essentially Trump in that regard.
I don't really think the original footages was stolen but scrapped since they thought motion capture is the way to go instead amongst other horrible decisions.
The trailer actually made the movie look slightly watchable, believe it or not. Also, love how there’s no cursing in your videos! I like UA-camrs like Quiet Rage and NostalgiaCritic, but I always hate it when they curse. Thank you!
+Sailor Italy I think Foodfight is the worst animated movie ever; if only because of it's $45 million+ budget. It represents so much wrong with today's animation. It had a blatantly incestuous relationship with sponsors, showed a complete lack of imagination in plot and characters, hired famous actors for character voices to be more marketable, had a ridiculously over-inflated budget, and was made by an incompetent egomaniac. It's at once a vanity project and an exploitation film - except without any exploitative elements people may enjoy. Though it's good for laughs in a nihilistic kind of way. You get to enjoy all the wasted time, energy, and money that was employed to attempt (and fail at) a quick cash-grab.
I watched Foodfight yesterday, I gave it a 2/10, because the voice acting and audio in general was comparably good quality, everything else, not so much. Thought, even if the animation was actually good, I can't see this to become better than an 4/10, not without some serious rewrites, then it might actually could have been something decent (6/10). But nothing more. Just compare it to the Emoji Movie, that one actually has pretty good animation, (and voice acting) but suffers from so much more, and still is hated and considered one of the worst animated movies.
This kinda went the way of such video games as Big Riggs: Over the Road Racing, Superman 64, Aquaman: Battle for Atlantis, & Bubsy 3D. I've heard rumors of staff cuts, spending funds on parties, & poor budgeting. It's likely that the story of theft was a BS bluff to try & weasel in more funds & double the production time instead of getting outright stitcanned by investors.
Yeah it sounds like something really shady happened with the hard drive story. How do you possibly lose ALL the hard drives to an entire movie in one incident? Even back then?
Yeah the 2002 trailer is more stylized and less uncanny valley. I really hope this doesn't mean we won't be getting Whats in the Box this week, because I'm REALLY looking forward to your reaction to what I sent you.
Honestly, if I decided to remake Foodfight! and if I were the screenwriter, I would retell the story like in the original 2002 trailer but I would cut out any racist stereotypes and bad puns put in the final product so then the characters are making sense to what they're saying and actually make the squirrel character have a personality similar to Mushu (From Mulan). And I would hire animators who are professional and ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE'RE DOING. I would never hire Larry to remake it because he had his chance and he blew it! Then my own version of Foodfight! would be considered the best remake to exist and way better than the original 2012 Foodfight!
Would you hire Ilion Animation Studios to animate the remake? Because they animated “Planet 51”, and that looks amazing. Also, it’s worth mentioning that FoodFight! is a fetish film, from sexual innuendos to the cat lady.
Maybe Peter Gadner, because he stole the equipment for Freaky Flickers, so maybe, he must've committed a crime before he forced Freaky Flickers to be cancelled.
the whole "this movie was stolen" thing seems too sketchy to me. it really seems like they might have accidentally deleted the progress for the film, and instead of owning up to the mistake they made up a backstory that it was stolen.
This is what I surmise happened in September 2002. Larry Kasanoff has the money from investors ready to green light the almost finished product although Chester Cheetah is in the product as a cameo, there's other icons he wants to use so he goes to Dole, Frito Lay, Sun Maid e.t.c and asks for clearance to use the likenesses, the Companies then have their laywers order Threshold Entertainment email and mail them a draft of the script. The Lawyers read it to the companies, a response is sent back to Kasanoff "We Decline, This script and humor is not representative of family values and thus it is not in our interest to associate our brands with this type of film, we ask that you omit any planned models of our brand icons or we will take legal action" . Kasanoff is stymied, with clearance from the Food companies DENIED, and with the risk of legal hell if he ignores their warning, he has no choice but to shelve the project until further notice. He doesn't care about the script, he feels its fine. And so in December 2002, the project is postponed. The drives containing models and grocery icons are stored away in his own File cabinet. To bide time, he fabricates a whopper that they were stolen. June 2007, 5 years pass, Kasanoff is ready to start over again, but Threshold Entertainment doesn't want to pony up money for newer rendering software, so they order software from 2003. To make matters worse, everyone is behind schedule so there's no time to overlay the CG animation or finish the new models for that matter. March 2009, Food Fight is finally completed after 8 years of production hell. Kasanoff sends the shit looking product to Hollywood studios and Movie companies everywhere. But they THEY had standards. The prints are sent back to him with scathing rejection letters and TE, some even have responses like "Are you serious?", "Okay, go buy out McDonalds first and then we'll do it" "HELL no!". For 2 years, Kasanoff is left with nothing. Hollywood has rejected Food Fight. November 2011, for some reason a UK studio and investor agrees to distribute the film in the UK for a early Summer release. June 2012, Food Fight is released in the UK theaters, it bombs badly. September 2012, Food Fight finally gets a quiet Direct to DVD release in North America. It becomes one of the biggest DTV/DVD release commercial failures of all time.
What's so sad about this piece of shit is that it COULD have been a half-decent film. Making brand mascots actual characters in a cute kid's movie? It would pay for itself, literally, and it would endear children to the jingles and caricatures they already know. And Charlie Sheen as a wise-cracking detective? I'd be on board with that. He's already a snarky asshole, just make him an animated dog!
I like to wonder what it would be like if a bunch of independent animators/ artists got together to completely reanimate/redraw the movie. Like imagine how much different yet way better Food Fight would look if Vivziepop or some other awesome artist redid it?!
I still find it incredibly convenient that the movie hard drives were stolen right after a good portion of the companies that were actually paying money for their characters to be in the film pulled their support. It's just way too on the nose. If the work, hard drives, are stolen and no culprit is found the insurance company for the production has to pay for the cost of the work lost. As I said when it happened was just way too convenient.
Yes that is why they pulled their funding. Those things were happening before the drives were supposedly stolen. So from the start the truth of the matter is Lawrence had no clue what he was doing and was stubbornly doing things that were torpedoing his chances of making his idea work at all.
@@Isolder74 This is what I surmise happened in September 2002. Larry Kasanoff has the money from investors ready to green light the almost finished product although Chester Cheetah is in the product as a cameo, there's other icons he wants to use so he goes to Dole, Frito Lay, Sun Maid e.t.c and asks for clearance to use the likenesses, the Companies then have their laywers order Threshold Entertainment email and mail them a draft of the script. The Lawyers read it to the companies, a response is sent back to Kasanoff "We Decline, This script and humor is not representative of family values and thus it is not in our interest to associate our brands with this type of film, we ask that you omit any planned models of our brand icons or we will take legal action" . Kasanoff is stymied, with clearance from the Food companies DENIED, and with the risk of legal hell if he ignores their warning, he has no choice but to shelve the project until further notice. He doesn't care about the script, he feels its fine. And so in December 2002, the project is postponed. The drives containing models and grocery icons are stored away in his own File cabinet. To bide time, he fabricates a whopper that they were stolen. June 2007, 5 years pass, Kasanoff is ready to start over again, but Threshold Entertainment doesn't want to pony up money for newer rendering software, so they order software from 2003. To make matters worse, everyone is behind schedule so there's no time to overlay the CG animation or finish the new models for that matter. March 2009, Food Fight is finally completed after 8 years of production hell. Kasanoff sends the shit looking product to Hollywood studios and Movie companies everywhere. But they THEY had standards. The prints are sent back to him with scathing rejection letters and TE, some even have responses like "Are you serious?", "Okay, go buy out McDonalds first and then we'll do it" "HELL no!". For 2 years, Kasanoff is left with nothing. Hollywood has rejected Food Fight. November 2011, for some reason a UK studio and investor agrees to distribute the film in the UK for a early Summer release. June 2012, Food Fight is released in the UK theaters, it bombs badly. September 2012, Food Fight finally gets a quiet Direct to DVD release in North America. It becomes one of the biggest DTV/DVD release commercial failures of all time.
I can see the difference between the 2002 trailer of Foodfight and how it ended-up in 2012. Animat, if you are reading this, that was very nice of you to do that.
Looking at the trailer and the final movie there are a few shots in the trailer that look kind of similar to the final movie. My guess is that the models they were using were prototypes used for an art style that was shelved early on in development, but because the final designs were on the hard drives that were destroyed-- sorry, I meant "stolen" they just pulled out from what was available, which were the prototype models, which was then later "cleaned up"
The original version did look very promising in terms of animation, being much more expressive and cartoony like they originally wanted it to be, aside from the stiff, inexpressive, and shlocky crap we actually got. But like Animat said, animation is only part of a movie, and it doesn't automatically mean it would've been good if it was seated with the innuendos, bad puns, and lazy writing that it ended up having. However, I agree that it would be interesting to see somebody attempt to make the movie as good as it was intended to be, or at the very least, a decent flick.
The idea behind Foodfight at least had potential, whether or not is does now is debatable; we've seen that movies that have lots of recognizable things be it toys, cartoon characters or video game characters can and have done well.
The history behind this film is a lot better than the movie itself. It would've made for a better movie instead of redoing to whole thing.
Why can’t someone make a movie base on the history behind the movie.
That would be interesting. A movie like The Disaster Artist about the making of one of the worst movies of all times. They should do that with Foodfight
Even creeps from the dark alleyway look normal compared to the characters from Foodfight.
In order for that to work, the movie would’ve had to have had a history before production. In other words, it’s pretty much impossible.
"Redoing the whole thing" The 70 million dollars that went into the movie: why... Why can't i be useful??
Larry Kasanoff had the original footage "stolen" so he could try to keep the 65 million. But to his disbelief the companies involved said keep going so he quickly threw together the creepy crappy crud we have today. This is what I believe when I hear the backstory.
That is life
And this might have been true considering it was just found out that it wasn’t stolen it was deleted
Couldn’t we just get the animators who worked on the original version and just make a better version that cuts out the nonsensical mess of the 2012 Version and add some of the scenes from the 2002 Version along with new footage to make a new version of Foodfight that’s actually good.
@@superfelipestudios8104 It wasn't deleted either. It turns out the whole theft story was made up by Larry and crewmembers were using those files even after the theft. In comparison, the only source for them being deleted was some random anon Reddit account.
After seeing the trailer for the Emoji Movie, I remembered this and thought, why couldn't the hard drives for the Emoji Movie be stolen...?
MrStickman1997 then the animation would look 🤢
hmmmm you are right!
Because Alien Space Bats do not obey the whims of the people.
Simple. It was worthless to every thief with this it WAS valuable for the time. Everyone knew the emoji movie would suck. no one at the time of this original release it would be viewed as the worst animated film of all time.
So apparently this movie was directed by a guy who never even directed a single movie in his life? Why am I not surprised?
Moral of the story: Larry Kasanoff really needs someone to tell him no every once in a while.
Like What happened with George Lucas with the Star Wars prequels on an astronomical scale.
Yep. Sometimes an artist needs some restraint.
The whole project just seems like a cash grab as well, like they didn't care about the story. I was reading an old article and somebody was bragging about possible bidding wars for rights to merchandise, only money was on the brain.
@@TheRoomforImprovement if that's the case, Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson are also the case because they made the sequel trilogy worse.
Regardless of how I feel about the guy directing and producing the movie I still feel terrible for the company. Having a passion project just completely stolen after years upon years of work sounds awful.
No kidding. How about the fact that the final project made you the laughing stock of the industry? Now it seems like everyone is picking on them, in spite of their Disney simulators and Lego specials actually being really enjoyable. I'm sticking by them with their Tetris movie they're working on, and am looking forward to it. I just hope (after this pandemic is over, at least) that it doesn't have to many production problems too.
Recent crewmember interviews have debunked that anything was stolen and that anything beyond a 8 minute showreel was ever made for the "original version". So we felt bad for nothing!
The 2002 trailer looks way better than the final product
+meganecraz And Lady X didn't have dead lifeless eyes.
I know, it has good squash and stretch and no motion capture.
+0deadx21 Agreed. Lady X actually looked attractive and sexy like she was intended to. (For a computer-animated character from the 2000s, anyway.)
+Katarina Kinumi I don't think she looked either of those. However, she did look good, what I mean by that is that she didn't look pretty but as a character model the animators did good on her. Like, she didn't have super lifeless eyes.
That's why I said for a computer-animated character from the 2000s. During that time, making a computer-animated character that looked that way was pretty difficult, so I think they did a good job with what they could manage. (and she was actually blinking!)
Its sad though, cause this movie had a potential.
+Balbys23 It's a throwback to the old Looney Tunes cartoons where at night the consumer products come to life. Terrible animation but it must have been a good sales pitch.
Balbys23 Me too.
"Make this more awesome. Make that 30% better." Glad he didn't say "Make this 20% cooler."
Same
so I wasn't the only one who though that
XD ik what you meant XD
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You know what, actually it is easier to do that. Just put the artwork in fridge for about 30 minutes and I am sure Kasanoff would be pleased.
The 2002 trailer looks way better than the 2012 trailer, even if it's outdated. The animation is a little bit better in the old trailer than the "new" trailer.
"little bit"
it is better than the 2012 version.
I wonder If that footage from the original cut is still around?
@@bagelq2028 They weren't stolen. Kasanoff lied and made that story up.
@@bagelq2028 This is what I surmise happened in September 2002. Larry Kasanoff has the money from investors ready to green light the almost finished product although Chester Cheetah is in the product as a cameo, there's other icons he wants to use so he goes to Dole, Frito Lay, Sun Maid e.t.c and asks for clearance to use the likenesses, the Companies then have their laywers order Threshold Entertainment email and mail them a draft of the script. The Lawyers read it to the companies, a response is sent back to Kasanoff "We Decline, This script and humor is not representative of family values and thus it is not in our interest to associate our brands with this type of film, we ask that you omit any planned models of our brand icons or we will take legal action" . Kasanoff is stymied, with clearance from the Food companies DENIED, and with the risk of legal hell if he ignores their warning, he has no choice but to shelve the project until further notice. He doesn't care about the script, he feels its fine. And so in December 2002, the project is postponed. The drives containing models and grocery icons are stored away in his own File cabinet. To bide time, he fabricates a whopper that they were stolen. June 2007, 5 years pass, Kasanoff is ready to start over again, but Threshold Entertainment doesn't want to pony up money for newer rendering software, so they order software from 2003. To make matters worse, everyone is behind schedule so there's no time to overlay the CG animation or finish the new models for that matter. March 2009, Food Fight is finally completed after 8 years of production hell. Kasanoff sends the shit looking product to Hollywood studios and Movie companies everywhere. But they THEY had standards. The prints are sent back to him with scathing rejection letters and TE, some even have responses like "Are you serious?", "Okay, go buy out McDonalds first and then we'll do it" "HELL no!". For 2 years, Kasanoff is left with nothing. Hollywood has rejected Food Fight. November 2011, for some reason a UK studio and investor agrees to distribute the film in the UK for a early Summer release. June 2012, Food Fight is released in the UK theaters, it bombs badly. September 2012, Food Fight finally gets a quiet Direct to DVD release in North America. It becomes one of the biggest DTV/DVD release commercial failures of all time.
@@bagelq2028 You're welcome!
I think a remake is very much needed here. They clearly had big ambitions for this movie, it's absolutely tragic to see what happened to it.
I get the feeling that the custom texture packs for each model, shadow coding and possible some of the motion smooth and motion fill were the resources lost.
Imagine if they actually rebooted this movie and turned out good.
@@donvitocorleone2098 that wouldn't sound bad
I can't help but think about how fun this movie would be if it was remade. The concept is good.
The sad thing is this movie had some potential in the beginning. It is a pretty clever idea and judging from the original trailer the original animation was nothing spectacular but not terrible. But with all these production problems it was basically set to fail.
Quite a pity that it had ALOT of problems it suffered.
If I was in-charge of the entire movie, which I am not in-charge of the movie, I would make sure to fix everything that happened during the film's production and make sure it becomes a very perfect, funny, enjoyable and wonderful animated CGI cartoony movie to watch!
Just saying.
@Chase Studios I know
Pixar's Newt looks more finished than this film. And that movie was never even made!
This reminds me of what happen with Fant4stic, a director who was out of his mind and not fit for the job, studio heads messing with the project, scenes cut out, decent actors with nothing to do, had old cut of movie removed for different one, reshoots that don't match with the original, shooty cg in places ( though a lot more in food fight), budget cut, and finally a release of a rushed broken mess of a movie.
Thanks for telling me
I am utterly fascinated by this "film". There is so much done right leading up to the production and then it is clear something happened beyond the robbery
2002 version looks better. Could've sweared the original was a bit specific.
I would prefer the 2002 version of Foodfight.
At least its better than how it ended-up in the 2012 version.
2002
Why would someone steal it though? Sabotage or not the story was still the same, I don’t get it. God that animation looks so much better
Now since alternate cuts of films are successions I guess if 2002 foodfight was leaked it would be the next who framed roger rabbit
@@masonwhite4262 Sadly, it wouldn’t, because even if the 2002 animation still looked better, the movie would still suffer from terrible writing, no consistency, disgusting sex jokes, awful food puns, unlikable characters, and a story that’s just all over the place.
The 1st Hoodwinked movie's animation may not be great, but the writing and characters make up for it. And look at South Park, it works cuz Trey Parker and Matt Stone are very good at writing stories and jokes, and the crummy animation also helps make that show funny. So yes, even if the files were never stolen, Foodfight would still be a pile of garbage.
+Kate McSpadden
It at least would have looked better.
+GameAndWatcher96 Final Fantasy The Spirits Within has amazing photorealistic animation, but it was a huge fail.
And Don’t forget about ReBoot, even though the animation didn’t look that great by today’s standards, at least it had a compelling premise, likable characters, good humor, and compelling villains as well
@@nickytembo4112 That was animated by the guys who were supposed to do the “Sly Cooper” movie.
@@spaceboyctstudios2934 I know but I’m talking about how not to judge a book by it’s cover
I had a dream that this movie won best animated feature and best picture at the oscars
Sounds more like a nightmare!
I wish I could've seen that.
Was the film in the right hands? Done by an actual down-to-earth person?
Cyberbrickmaster1986 in hell!
That could've happened, if only it was in the hands of a competent director.
Christopher Lloyd needs a better agent.
Christopher Lloyd takes literally any movie given to him, no matter its potential, so I think he's just not picky.
Dez Keiz so did Tim curry
@@vergilmaurice5883 he's not the Third Reich Brand X guy. It's just a really good Tim Curry impersonator.
At least he had a good role in the Back to the Future trilogy
Well, this is the point where Watchmojo should put the Foodfight trailer on their list of Trailers that are better than the movie.
I'm starting to think that Larry was the person who stole the hard drives just so he could turn the style of the film from CGI to Motion Capture.
Maybe, though my theory was that it was another person or people working on the movie who was fed up with his attitude.
+MysteryMii215 +Billy Barnett or maybe someone who worked on it, stole the hard drives and turned it into Wreck-It Ralph. I know, because the plot is similar to Foodfight, where the place is closed at night and comes to life
Oscar95451 The concept for Wreck It Ralph came about in the 80's.
+Billy Barnett yep, I know. a guy worked on Threshold stole the hard drive and move to Disney
Oscar95451 Stop telling us Talltales.
I'd love to see a movie company that takes really badly received movies and make them into the excellent ones they had the potential to be (e.g this and The Room).
and cool cat
That sounds like a brilliant idea!
I've been working on a more adult novel under the same premise of Foodfight.
yeah it would be great
***** hmm that would be interesting
the poop squirrel still looks like a poop squirrel though .....
+jmantime Well, at least he looks less poop in the 2002 version
+imantime I agree but the original looks like whatever the guy that pooped him out ate was way different from the final product
roberto landeros ate nutella instead of taco bell
Mmm
What's worse, Poop Squirrel/Weasel from Foodfight! Or the poop spider from the Mia games?
MY IDEA FOR THE FOOD FIGHT MOVIE CONCEPT:
Lady X could have been in a relationship with Dex Dogtective in the beginning of the story's prologue (in opening credits form), as she is a successful, powerful and world renowned product icon (or ike), with Dex supporting her by her side while he does his normal detective business. However, over the years, Lady X becomes arrogant with how her company runs things, losing touch with how her food merchandise is produced, as its quality of it gradually deteriorates over the years. This upsets Dex as he believes that this method of business will not only damage her career, but also its consumers as well. As a result, their relationship eventually reduces to a break-up. Although, Dex is no longer in the spotlight with Lady X, over time, her bad quality of food products takes effect on the people, resulting in her being recalled, effectively destroying her career as an ike. After she is pulled from the shelves of the stores, Dex learns to live on with his life, focusing on his job until her meets Sunshine Goodness and starts dating her.
From that point, on the original story can take off from there. This would give Lady X a reason to resurface within the ike community, trying to resurrect her once unbeatable position of the food world, including trying to get Dex back with her, as she briefly mentioned wanting to be with him in the original movie. Also, she doesn't turn into a ugly person when Sunshine kicks her ass. Lady X still goes to prison, or whatever, because she trying taking over the ike world, as well as the food industry. Although Dex feels bad for her, he still rejects her plead to reconcile their once powerful relationship because of her actions and what she had become.
Kido the Koala wow.... I didn't think it was possible to make Foodfight a almost emotionally invested story, but you did it
They should've handed the project to you!
It does sounds better, but what about the animation and the way the ikes come to life when the store is closed? Also their should really rename the market's name
Through in a better animation style, likable versions of the other characters, and a better use of the official icons, and more consistent world building and you'll get a waaaaay better film.
That would be 100x greater than the 2012 film
It's....kinda strange to think about how close this movie almost was to being....decent. The trailer stuff looks fairly fun. Maybe not Pixar levels or anything, but still a million times better than what the movie finally was. I almost hope this movie gets sort of the Thief and the Cobbler Recobbled treatment someday to get it at least closer to the original idea.
Who knows, Let's just hope we find the original files of the animation.
Yeah, I just hope the story was better back then. Chester Cheetah was in it (and does more than make bad bald and fart jokes), so maybe there were some things left out of the final product (or maybe the company behind Cheetos got impatient and called it quits.b
@Kyke Morello I read that there was a scene where Mr.Clean actually spoke, but it was cut.
Or better improve upon the Idea and story like make how the characters come to life more specific and rewrite basically the whole story to make it more coherent and compelling, hell make it a bit like Shrek where it is self aware with it’s own idea which can give it’s sense of humour a medda, witty and unique style to make it funnier. Like the post credit scenes can make fun of the fact that the characters in the better movie have seen the horrible version and the main character will have a vivid nightmare of his supermarket become the worst movie ever made. I can imagine this literally being more funnier than the entirety of this film, as for the animation. I would redesign everyone and experiment with the medium of animation by having different characters have different animation and art styles as all supermarket icons are drawn or illustrated differently. I would do all of this if I have my own animation studio or a lot of money...:(
Basically remake the whole movie to be a classic! Seriously I have a bit of a soft spot for this movie’s CONCEPT mind you... It really has potential to make itself a animation or movie classic!! I hope someday there will be a reboot of foodfight, a version with great animation, great compelling characters, great humour and most importantly an interestingly unique story! Seriously this Low-key deserved to be rebooted and improved upon! :)
I wish they would remake this movie; I think with a huge rewrite in the story and script (take out the fart jokes and sexual innuendos), as well as recreate the models inspired from the 2002 designs, this can become a decent movie.
EXAMPLE: Lady X could have been in a relationship with Dex Dogtective in the beginning of the story's prologue (in opening credits form), as she is a successful, powerful and world renowned product icon (or ike), with Dex supporting her by her side while he does his normal detective business. However, over the years, Lady X becomes arrogant with how her company runs things, loosing touch with how her food merchandise is produced, as its quality of it gradually deteriorates over the years. This upsets Dex as he believes that this method of business will not only damage her career, but also its consumers as well. As a result, their relationship eventually reduces to a break-up. Although, Dex is no longer in the spotlight with Lady X, over time, her bad quality of food products takes effect on the people, resulting in her being recalled, effectively destroying her career as an ike. After she is pulled from the shelves of the stores, Dex learns to live on with his life, focusing on his job until her meets Sunshine Goodness and starts dating her.
From that point, on the original story can take off from there. This would give Lady X a reason to resurface within the ike community, trying to resurrect her once unbeatable position of the food world, including trying to get Dex back with her, as she briefly mentioned wanting to be with him in the original movie. Also, she doesn't turn into a ugly person when Sunshine kicks her ass. Lady X still goes to prison, or whatever, because she trying taking over the ike world, as well as the food industry. Although Dex feels bad for her, he still rejects her plead to reconcile their once powerful relationship because of her actions and what she had become.
Yes, you can! :D
Good luck with that.
+Avonlea Durtschi ok
How about you direct the reboot of this movie. Everyone can fund it and people can pitch in their ideas to make this 1000x better
Make a fanfic.
We need to read it.
It was very nice of Animat to do a Side-By-Side comparison between the 2002 trailer and the actual 2012 film.
I've never seen someone take their own personal time to do research on the history of Foodfight! and make a whole video about it. My hat goes off to you Animat.
My god, that makes so much sense. Who would honestly decide to become the director of a movie when they have no experience in filmmaking whatsoever? Even Jeffrey Katzenberg would never direct any movie at Dreamworks, because he actually knows how to run a company. Larry Kasanoff was being too greedy and wish washy and decided to direct the project, yet he ended up having no clue what to do with it and gave us the unfinished broken disaster piece we have today. Granted you could view the movie as a guide on how NOT to make an animated movie, but either way you'll always see it as a failure in film and animation.
I like your comment.
Wah Tek Lim Thank you.
From what I've read in the comments, I heard they said that Larry added in too much innuendos which explains the delays. They even said Larry was too overconfident in which he decided to direct and produce the film, probably to show how good he is despite having no animation experience before. He and the animators were speaking in two different languages and kept saying things like make it more awesome.
Why on earth did he think Looney Tunes-style animation and motion-capture would easily blend together? The two are complete opposites. Every character in this film moves like they just drank twelve shots of tequila and consider coordination a suggestion.
I think they should've stuck with the Looney Tunes-style squash & stretch overall.
And what commercial mascots moves like a hyper realistic character anyway, other than Mr. Clean I guess.
Two words.
Jim Carrey
Wouldn’t ImageMovers cancelled “Roger Rabbit” sequel do the same schitck with combining motion capture with cartoon-y animation.
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OMG That True 🤣 🤣
Sunshine actually looks *cute* in the original trailer. Like, for the time she's a pretty good-looking catgirl. Look at her eyes, look at how expressive her tail is. What the hell did they do to you?
One thing Animat didn't mention was that many companies pulled out of the movie. So, many plot crucial characters and icons had to be removed.
True, that's why Chester Cheetah wasn't in the final film
+Wah Tek Lim many others too like lucky charms. I just can't help but to think "how much different would this movie have been if they hadn't pulled out, or lost the files?" Because the 2012 one definetly has some obvious budget issues and feels like pieces are missing.
Was Chester Cheetah actually crucial to the plot? The brand mascots that were still in the film didn't do anything, so it's a little hard for me to believe.
NC said this movie is what caused Charlie Sheen to go insane.
That sounds plausible.
Pizza cancer
@@superhandsminiatures1673 I don't blame him.
I would go through the same thing.
I don't call Charlie Sheen by his name. I call him Dex.
Young earl izdat u
Little Orange Devil Guy yes
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honestly, I think the 2002 Foodfight may have had a different script/story that was better than the disaster we all know today. Maybe Threshold forgot about the original story. Maybe that was the reason for all the delays.
They would "never" mess with a good story.
But boy were we wrong about that.
What makes you think the 2002 Foodfight had a different script? Did anyone even say that online? Is the 2002 Foodfight tailed different? Did you find any leaks?
The trailer at the end actually looks more decent than Norm of the North, and that's saying something, especially since it was from 2002. The script is still shit though, so it wouldn't help much, but at least it'll be a somewhat decent movie.
Thanks for the history lesson on this movie, I had no idea so many things went wrong during the production, no wonder it was delayed for almost a decade.
Batter Sempai
If the movie released as planned, I think that it would’ve gone by as another one of the bunch Cgi animated films of the early 2000’s. (And maybe be remembered fondly due to nostalgia).
The thieves didn't steal the hard drives...
It was Kasanoff all along.
Did you guys know that the director of Foodfight and James Cameron were good friends? They actually created a studio together.
+mr_snow2003 0-0
UNACCEPTABBLEEEEE!!!!!
+TheMarioFanatic258 🍋
+Taco Bella l-/ adventure time reference!
That being James Cameron's production company, Lightstorm Entertainment.
I really think someone should actually REMAKE Foodfight to be better than this piece of crap!!
Hey Ik you I just watch your top 9 Pink Panther intro video. Btw nice video
+Hewylewis I don't know.........
+Hewylewis Honestly, I think a parody would be much better.
+Hewylewis I would, I'd simply make it better. But I can't because I'm working on a story of memes. But I'm making my story look specific and reasonable. Even better than Foodfight. Would you like to see the novel? Here ya go. But keep in mind it's still ongoing.Trust me bro, I know what I'm doing with this novel.
www.wattpad.com/story/37790294-meme-world
I've thought of the same thing, but honestly they'd have to change the script. Take away the food puns, innuendos and have a decent character development, and THEN remake it. But it'd be hard to convince studios to remake it because of its past failure
12:59: 2002: Sneezes like a dog.
2012: Is he having a seizure?
Thank you for making a comparison to Who Framed Rodger Rabbit. I actually notice there's a lot of good comparisons to make, but theres a big difference. Execution of it is everything
2002 version of Foodfight is the BEST.
+Dylan May Yes, I need a time machine
+Oscar95451 can I come to? 😋
+A Corner Of The Internet Yes, you can
Yay! ^^
+A Corner Of The Internet I'm sorry your Delorian crashed into a Police box then into a phone booth and the universe exploded…..sorry about that.
Geez, seeing the trailers side by side is tragic. The 2002 version actually looked decent.
if i knew how i would remake this film and maybe the mystery could be them trying to find the original movie from 2002 and who stole it.
+Armin Alert (pico faustus) Yep, we should find the thief
Oscar95451 that would be fun
It's pretty incredible to see how different the film became after it's animation was stolen. It looked pretty decent in the trailer, not to mention the song in the trailer was pretty catchy, and also, CHEETOES CHEETAH!!!!
I always assumed it sucked because they were trying to make an adaptation of the Food Fight arcade game from 1983.
The movie's history and background is much more interesting that the film itself.
But
Foodfight is good.
Happy Opposite Day. :D
+Catty Mintgum lol XD
I don't think you mean bad opposite day.
I don't like this comment! XD
+LarsEMou99 ok. It's your opinion. :)
Who’s here after watching Rotten! To know the full truth on the flim?
Me, a true Foodfighter
Me too
Who’s here after the OK so documentary??
What documentary?
It was nice of Animat to do a Side-by-Side comparison between the 2002 & 2012 versions of Foodfight!
If I ever work in Hollywood, I'll make sure to not mess things up when I make an awesome CGI movie.
the 2002 trailer looks more alive the characters did proper movement
+Harambe True.
which you Harambe are not able to anymore
difference is ppl love me more than the film
Harambe well that is true
And the villainess actually had movable eyes. That was a total shock to me!
Having a team in charge of an animated feature is the most important thing.
The 2002 version actually looked pretty decent for the time
"barely watchable" I think you are being way too generous there. That is by far the nicest thing I have ever heard about food fight
Joshua Wexler should've been the sole director of Food Fight instead of Larry Kasanoff.
Damn. I heard the thing about the original film being the stolen, and I had the strongest feeling that the director was the one who led to it's downfall, and though I wasn't sure at first...
I was entirely right.😂😹 I can't thank you enough, Animat.
Part of me makes me think of another Roger-Rabbit-type movie populated with both original and rejected characters.
No recognizable characters whatsoever.
It actually makes sense to say Larry Kassinoff dropped the ball. First rule of leadership; everything is your fault. If you wanna avoid a project ending up similar to this, you need to coordiante better with your team. If something is going wrong, find a solution to correct it. And also remember, making things more raunchy doesn't necessarily equal making it more mature.
The production history of Foodfight weirdly enough sounds like a very great plot for a movie.
10:39 "No matter how good of an idea you have, you must leave it to the professionals to execute it right. Otherwise you'd be spending years driving yourself and a lot of people into madness that would ultimately lead to possibly your biggest failure." Soooooooo, Kasanoff is essentially Trump in that regard.
So the reason it failed was because the director was a complete nut job?
Movie Nerds Pretty much. Didn't America go down the toilet because the president was a wacko?
I don't really think the original footages was stolen but scrapped since they thought motion capture is the way to go instead amongst other horrible decisions.
The original footage was never stolen
That was a good video. But next time, I want 30% more awesome.
Would you mean 20% cooler?
The trailer actually made the movie look slightly watchable, believe it or not.
Also, love how there’s no cursing in your videos! I like UA-camrs like Quiet Rage and NostalgiaCritic, but I always hate it when they curse. Thank you!
Which is worse: Foodfight or Where the Dead Go to Die? (I vote WTDGTD)
+Sailor Italy Definetley Where the dead go to die. Food fight was terrible, but WTDGTD...... It was made in a place where Light has never shone.
+Sailor Italy I think Foodfight is the worst animated movie ever; if only because of it's $45 million+ budget. It represents so much wrong with today's animation. It had a blatantly incestuous relationship with sponsors, showed a complete lack of imagination in plot and characters, hired famous actors for character voices to be more marketable, had a ridiculously over-inflated budget, and was made by an incompetent egomaniac. It's at once a vanity project and an exploitation film - except without any exploitative elements people may enjoy.
Though it's good for laughs in a nihilistic kind of way. You get to enjoy all the wasted time, energy, and money that was employed to attempt (and fail at) a quick cash-grab.
+Sailor Italy Technically Foodfight is because WTDGTD was made to shock people.
segundo vargas Comdey and Horror I suppose then.
+Sailor Italy Well... As bad as Foodfight is, at least it doesn't have child porn, so I say WTDGTD.
Alright someone is rebooting the project. Just pray it goes well.
I watched Foodfight yesterday, I gave it a 2/10, because the voice acting and audio in general was comparably good quality, everything else, not so much. Thought, even if the animation was actually good, I can't see this to become better than an 4/10, not without some serious rewrites, then it might actually could have been something decent (6/10). But nothing more.
Just compare it to the Emoji Movie, that one actually has pretty good animation, (and voice acting) but suffers from so much more, and still is hated and considered one of the worst animated movies.
This kinda went the way of such video games as Big Riggs: Over the Road Racing, Superman 64, Aquaman: Battle for Atlantis, & Bubsy 3D. I've heard rumors of staff cuts, spending funds on parties, & poor budgeting. It's likely that the story of theft was a BS bluff to try & weasel in more funds & double the production time instead of getting outright stitcanned by investors.
Yeah it sounds like something really shady happened with the hard drive story. How do you possibly lose ALL the hard drives to an entire movie in one incident? Even back then?
It was. Kasanoff made up the story about the Hard Drives being stolen.
What about sonic 06
@@isaacarmendariz2538 and Spyro Enter the Dragonfly?
@@nickytembo4112 and that too
13:32 dex dancing with a other girl made it in the final version
This is one film that should've STAYED in Development Hell. (I will admit, though... the 2002 trailer WAS (at least) easier to look at.)
This makes the emoji film look good.
i got to say this was a very good and informative video. :) good job Animat! love your work!
wow the trailer actually did look good
Yeah the 2002 trailer is more stylized and less uncanny valley.
I really hope this doesn't mean we won't be getting Whats in the Box this week, because I'm REALLY looking forward to your reaction to what I sent you.
Honestly, if I decided to remake Foodfight! and if I were the screenwriter, I would retell the story like in the original 2002 trailer but I would cut out any racist stereotypes and bad puns put in the final product so then the characters are making sense to what they're saying and actually make the squirrel character have a personality similar to Mushu (From Mulan). And I would hire animators who are professional and ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE'RE DOING. I would never hire Larry to remake it because he had his chance and he blew it! Then my own version of Foodfight! would be considered the best remake to exist and way better than the original 2012 Foodfight!
Would you hire Ilion Animation Studios to animate the remake? Because they animated “Planet 51”, and that looks amazing.
Also, it’s worth mentioning that FoodFight! is a fetish film, from sexual innuendos to the cat lady.
@@spaceboyctstudios2934 I would hire Blue Sky if they were still open
@@ScratJitZu Why, exactly? No offense.
@@spaceboyctstudios2934 Didn’t Ilion Animation also did Wonder Park?
@@pennysanchez7656 Yes.
wonder who stole the foodfight 2002
Maybe Peter Gadner, because he stole the equipment for Freaky Flickers, so maybe, he must've committed a crime before he forced Freaky Flickers to be cancelled.
If the claim of theft wasn't a bullshit excuse. It's fishy enough that they didn't have any off-site backups for such an expensive investment.
Well I mean, Larry does seem like an idiot, just saying.
It was me, I did it lol
- Zippy - probably Seth Rogen to make sausage party
the trailer song is another plus
The animation looked better in the 2002 trailer but the textures were a bit outdated
The movie was only 60 percent complete anyway I think.
the whole "this movie was stolen" thing seems too sketchy to me. it really seems like they might have accidentally deleted the progress for the film, and instead of owning up to the mistake they made up a backstory that it was stolen.
Actually, that’s pretty much what happened. The only difference to your version is that it was intentional.
@@rogersstinson4019 thanks for letting me know, do you have any source?
I like to think that Larry hid the hard drives away
This is what I surmise happened in September 2002. Larry Kasanoff has the money from investors ready to green light the almost finished product although Chester Cheetah is in the product as a cameo, there's other icons he wants to use so he goes to Dole, Frito Lay, Sun Maid e.t.c and asks for clearance to use the likenesses, the Companies then have their laywers order Threshold Entertainment email and mail them a draft of the script. The Lawyers read it to the companies, a response is sent back to Kasanoff "We Decline, This script and humor is not representative of family values and thus it is not in our interest to associate our brands with this type of film, we ask that you omit any planned models of our brand icons or we will take legal action" .
Kasanoff is stymied, with clearance from the Food companies DENIED, and with the risk of legal hell if he ignores their warning, he has no choice but to shelve the project until further notice. He doesn't care about the script, he feels its fine. And so in December 2002, the project is postponed. The drives containing models and grocery icons are stored away in his own File cabinet. To bide time, he fabricates a whopper that they were stolen.
June 2007, 5 years pass, Kasanoff is ready to start over again, but Threshold Entertainment doesn't want to pony up money for newer rendering software, so they order software from 2003. To make matters worse, everyone is behind schedule so there's no time to overlay the CG animation or finish the new models for that matter.
March 2009, Food Fight is finally completed after 8 years of production hell. Kasanoff sends the shit looking product to Hollywood studios and Movie companies everywhere. But they THEY had standards. The prints are sent back to him with scathing rejection letters and TE, some even have responses like "Are you serious?", "Okay, go buy out McDonalds first and then we'll do it" "HELL no!". For 2 years, Kasanoff is left with nothing. Hollywood has rejected Food Fight.
November 2011, for some reason a UK studio and investor agrees to distribute the film in the UK for a early Summer release.
June 2012, Food Fight is released in the UK theaters, it bombs badly.
September 2012, Food Fight finally gets a quiet Direct to DVD release in North America. It becomes one of the biggest DTV/DVD release commercial failures of all time.
Food Fight back in 2002 could've been handled properly if it were put in the right hands & it were not stolen...!
I have a strange feeling that Larry and Tommy Wiseau would make the best of friends...
Does the director hate the movie as well? He can’t be proud of this when the people hated it
His making a sequal
By the looks of it, Sausage Party was the movie Foodfight was trying so desperately to become.
What's so sad about this piece of shit is that it COULD have been a half-decent film. Making brand mascots actual characters in a cute kid's movie? It would pay for itself, literally, and it would endear children to the jingles and caricatures they already know. And Charlie Sheen as a wise-cracking detective? I'd be on board with that. He's already a snarky asshole, just make him an animated dog!
I like to wonder what it would be like if a bunch of independent animators/ artists got together to completely reanimate/redraw the movie. Like imagine how much different yet way better Food Fight would look if Vivziepop or some other awesome artist redid it?!
I wish that would happen. Especially if it had Vivziepop’s artstyle.
That would be awesome!
I still find it incredibly convenient that the movie hard drives were stolen right after a good portion of the companies that were actually paying money for their characters to be in the film pulled their support. It's just way too on the nose.
If the work, hard drives, are stolen and no culprit is found the insurance company for the production has to pay for the cost of the work lost. As I said when it happened was just way too convenient.
I thought they pulled their support afterwards cause Lawrence wrote in sex jokes like peanut envy for M&Ms.
Yes that is why they pulled their funding. Those things were happening before the drives were supposedly stolen. So from the start the truth of the matter is Lawrence had no clue what he was doing and was stubbornly doing things that were torpedoing his chances of making his idea work at all.
@@Isolder74 This is what I surmise happened in September 2002. Larry Kasanoff has the money from investors ready to green light the almost finished product although Chester Cheetah is in the product as a cameo, there's other icons he wants to use so he goes to Dole, Frito Lay, Sun Maid e.t.c and asks for clearance to use the likenesses, the Companies then have their laywers order Threshold Entertainment email and mail them a draft of the script. The Lawyers read it to the companies, a response is sent back to Kasanoff "We Decline, This script and humor is not representative of family values and thus it is not in our interest to associate our brands with this type of film, we ask that you omit any planned models of our brand icons or we will take legal action" .
Kasanoff is stymied, with clearance from the Food companies DENIED, and with the risk of legal hell if he ignores their warning, he has no choice but to shelve the project until further notice. He doesn't care about the script, he feels its fine. And so in December 2002, the project is postponed. The drives containing models and grocery icons are stored away in his own File cabinet. To bide time, he fabricates a whopper that they were stolen.
June 2007, 5 years pass, Kasanoff is ready to start over again, but Threshold Entertainment doesn't want to pony up money for newer rendering software, so they order software from 2003. To make matters worse, everyone is behind schedule so there's no time to overlay the CG animation or finish the new models for that matter.
March 2009, Food Fight is finally completed after 8 years of production hell. Kasanoff sends the shit looking product to Hollywood studios and Movie companies everywhere. But they THEY had standards. The prints are sent back to him with scathing rejection letters and TE, some even have responses like "Are you serious?", "Okay, go buy out McDonalds first and then we'll do it" "HELL no!". For 2 years, Kasanoff is left with nothing. Hollywood has rejected Food Fight.
November 2011, for some reason a UK studio and investor agrees to distribute the film in the UK for a early Summer release.
June 2012, Food Fight is released in the UK theaters, it bombs badly.
September 2012, Food Fight finally gets a quiet Direct to DVD release in North America. It becomes one of the biggest DTV/DVD release commercial failures of all time.
Executives and businessmen should leave the creativity to actual artists and writers.
I can see the difference between the 2002 trailer of Foodfight and how it ended-up in 2012.
Animat, if you are reading this, that was very nice of you to do that.
Maybe the thief was one of the workers there who tried to save the world of this monstrosities.
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He certainly put too much faith in the director's good sense to simply abandon the project after that.
Yeah but he was determined because of money, he didn't care about the story, he fantasized about companies having bidding wars over merchandise.
segundo vargas He wanted credit
segundo vargas I doubt it's more than enough, he seems like a prick to me.
segundo vargas Okay.
If you smoke weed it's actually the best movie ever made.
After seeing The Disaster Artist, it would be interesting to see a movie on the making of Food Fight.
Looking at the trailer and the final movie there are a few shots in the trailer that look kind of similar to the final movie. My guess is that the models they were using were prototypes used for an art style that was shelved early on in development, but because the final designs were on the hard drives that were destroyed-- sorry, I meant "stolen" they just pulled out from what was available, which were the prototype models, which was then later "cleaned up"
The original version did look very promising in terms of animation, being much more expressive and cartoony like they originally wanted it to be, aside from the stiff, inexpressive, and shlocky crap we actually got. But like Animat said, animation is only part of a movie, and it doesn't automatically mean it would've been good if it was seated with the innuendos, bad puns, and lazy writing that it ended up having. However, I agree that it would be interesting to see somebody attempt to make the movie as good as it was intended to be, or at the very least, a decent flick.
Yeah, nothing can beat Toy Story, it will always be the best.
I found this very interesting! Made me laugh a few times thinking about the director.
The 2002 trailer looks a million times better than the actual movie.
At around 2:26 or so when he brought up captain crunch, I realized that I was eating captain crunch at the same time.
Captain Crunch is love, Captain Crunch is life
The idea behind Foodfight at least had potential, whether or not is does now is debatable; we've seen that movies that have lots of recognizable things be it toys, cartoon characters or video game characters can and have done well.
The animation in the trailer was really good