Cursed Guns History Should Forget
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
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Since the introduction of gunpowder weaponry, gun designers have sought ways to make them more effective. Some designs have become legendary, their creation inspiring the next generation of development. Some, however, were probably best left on the drawing board. These are just a few more of those weapons.
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gun Jesus might want to have a word with you
chauchat ; 'show sha', not shoeshat
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ZIP 22 is something you can play Russian Roulette with without dying.
when i first saw it, i SO wanted it to be good. (and i'm still bummed it was a PoS) it just didnt work, but in theory it could have been a futuristic, pocket sized p90 plinker.
It's incredible that a company that made some of the finest 1873 Peacemaker clones also made this complete turd of a gun.
Not sound advice.
I accidentally drank my own urine
3 times mind you
The SA80 was an assault rifle used by British soldiers. It was nicknamed the “Civil Servant” because it never worked and you couldn’t fire it.
Brilliant 😂
Damn, how does one becoe a civil servant?
The Brit should update the L1A1 SLR to a SA-58 which was an American version of the FN FAL
Better on the range than in combat & jammed often by fine sand etc. The British solved all the problems by paying a German company to fix them. Now it is a great weapon.
@@brianshooter_6723Nah they should go for the HK 416.
The zip 22 was the most dangerous gun ever made.
It killed its own company.
Yes! Without firing a single shot even!
@@kubikkuratko188 They probably did, but none of them hit.
2013
Douglas Donley: Hey guys! Do you know about how our company makes replica historical revolvers?
Everyone Else: Yeah?
Douglas Donley: Well I was thinking that we create a brand new gun for our company to make!
Everyone Else: Ok... that does sound interesting to try.
Douglas Donley: Great! However, we don't enough capital to make one, so I sold all of our tooling machines for making replicas!
Everyone Else: Wait... What! But sir, our entire company is infamous for our repicas. Don't you think this is to much of a risky investment?
Douglas Donley: Don't worry guys. I'm 100% sure that the new gun we make will not only sell very good but also be one of the best guns in the market!
2017
Douglas Donley: We're bankrupt! How did that happened?!
Everyone Else: *Slapping on forehead*.
@@gumballfan1232 yup, basically!
🤣🤣🤣
The zip-22 is a technological advancement, it’s literally sentient. it only fires and ejects when it wants to
For the ZiP is never late nor is it early, It ejects precise when it means too
He trick with the Zip is not to try to figure out how to control it, you need to instead figure out what the Zip wants to kill and point it at that.
I own a Zip-22. I took that thing apart and fiddled with it SO many times. Weird quirk? It specifically states not to use liquid lubricant on it. Only powdered graphite. In order to get more reliability I mirror-polished all the steel components and only used 10-round Ruger rotary mags. It works okayish. A larger ejection port would have worked wonders.
4:55 is my favorite part of the video
Multigender pistol
To be fair the Chauchat was the best the French could do for a light machine gun. It was cheap and simple to produce despite being terribly flawed. Not to mention it didn't help that French factories and railroads were targeted by German Air raids which made production difficult. And yes its true the 30-06 version used by US troops was much worse
When the belgians got their hands on it after the first World War it was amazing until the final version of the BAR came out That BAR had a pistol grip
@robertwalker7454 the Belgian BAR you refer to would be the Mle. 1930 produced by FN. FN worked alongside John Browning to design the original BAR so it made sense for the Belgian army to adopt it. The Mle. 1915/27 chauchat was a stopgap.
@@SeanDahle still though The 1915/27 was still a good LMG for its time before the Belgian BAR came out, still wish that the US could have adopted a b a r with a pistol grip probably could have handled better
@robertwalker7454 Well, the US army refused to add a pistol grip to their version they didn't think troops needed it. On the M1918A2, they added a bipod (not a very good one) and 2nd full auto mode (slow auto) but that's about it. The Belgian army was much more open to changes including said pistol grip, adjustable gas system, and a sturdier bipod.
@@SeanDahle imagine if they created a 40 round box magazine for the BAR
Hammering a piece on an anvil and then quenching in the forge itself to make a plastic gun is top tier bullshittery, I love it.
6:51 *_*Ian McCollum has entered the chat_**
I wish cartoon Ian made a cameo appearance
The whole time I was watching this I was thinking about forgotten weapons and Ian's various videos
@@kaistellmach5013same!
He reviewed the first two guns as well lol.
Battlefield 1 made the Chuchat an absolute OP rifle 😂
Loved the Chuchat in that game. It quickly became one of my go-to LMGs thanks to it's ahistorical and opposing depiction ingame.
Unfortunately it was unreliable in real life
@@mexispartano8381 Even in real life you have to chamber it up to 19/18 rounds per second.
@@mexispartano8381Only for the Americans. It was fine for the French, who used the ammo it was designed for.
@@ExtantPersontends to happen when you give us soldiers rifles and little to no ammo.
“History should forget” that honestly made me laugh
The reising was a stop gap substitute never meant to "replace" the Thompson. It wasn't completely parts interchangeable. So when Marines cleaned them and put all the bolts, springs sears etc in separate buckets then just grabbed random parts and reassembled a weapon it wasn't necessarily reliable.
Shortest weapon
I like the M55 version 😂
that thumbnail is some tom and jerry type stuff
The thumbnail is what .45 owners imagine everyone else is shooting😂
“If a bullet to the chest won’t stop you, my words will!” Winston Churchill
I see, a man of culture.
"I will battle to the end and I'll never surrender" 😀
I have no idea how _anyone_ would look at the Zip22 and think, "yeah, that's a *GREAT* idea!"
the basic concept could have been nice, as a small, compact and easily concealable burst pistol, something smaller and lighter than a MAC M-10. of course, the .22LR made it less lethal, but, for example, that could be somewhat an argument for countries more restrictive on gun usage, or for people that are wary of more lethal platforms but still want to protect themselves (I believe that a hail of .22LR would still have, at least, a psychological impact on a target).
even Glock and their mastery of polymers don't use that much plastics in their guns, add to that poor ergonomics and flawed insides...
Funny tiny gun. It's a little .22. Who wouldn't want one?
I really feel sorry for all the people who lost their jobs because of that gun. Can you imagine the sense of impending doom USFA employees must've felt when the CEO walked out with those blueprints and announced he was selling all their tools to make it?
@@Wintermute01001 Yeah. I can only imagine every single one of them took one look and said among themselves, "we're screwed, aren't we?"
@@TitanAEX4 "Time to update my LinkedIn page."
Interestingly, the Belgium Chauchat, which fired mauser ammunition was incredibly reliable. So much so the Chauchat was still in use by Belgium in 1940
Sort of. The Belgian model in WW1 (the M1915/17) was modified from the French 8mm variant, so it retained the awkward foregrip and bipod but had a better magazine. The postwar version (the M1915/27, there's a great Forgotten weapons video on it) is actually pretty decent-the Belgians fixed a lot of the design issues.
That being said, while it was used in WWII, it was intended as a stopgap for the (upcoming) FN M1930, so most were in second-line roles. They probably saw combat since Belgium wasn't that big and every gun counts though, so you're right on that last bit.
The Chauchat was a lot like the Sten.
It definitely had its issues, but it provided French infantry far more firepower than other armies, both due to its portability and the ability for it to field far more of them than any other automatic weapon of the war.
Serious!?
3:40 nearly all semi automatic pistols have the magazine behind the trigger. But that doesn't make them a "bullpup" pistol. The action is still ontop/in front of the trigger.
The ZIP is a genuine bullpup.
You should talk about "the dai hong dan incident". Where in 2007, a north Korean cargo ship got hijacked by Somalian pirates. And a US warship came to the rescue after hearing their distress call. Fortunately, the NK sailors took the ship back after killing 2 of the baddies, and capturing 5 more. 3 of the sailors needed medical treatment, where US Navy medical personnel helped them. When the news spread around NK, they made a VERY RARE statement, PRAISING the US navy for answering the distress call for the their sailors. Worth talking about it.
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idk if kim jong un or kim jong il is happy about that because maybe in the future north korea and south korea might become allies
@@Mr-Vyn
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@@Mr-Vyn were not sure about it.
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1:40 I love how the soldier just pulls out a knife and continues charging the enemy!
That was a Marine not a soldier and historically they did that. They would dump the Reising and switch to their pistols or knives which worked. There are similar stories about the Chuchat M1918 companies switching to their rifles because the gun was garbage.
According to what I've found, the British Commando Revolver mentioned at 6:35 was designated Enfield Project D.D.(E) 3313, chambered in 9mm Parabellum. But truly concise information about this weapon are indeed scarce.
I have a Reising M65, which is a .22 LR trainer rifle. It simulates the sights, sight plan radius, weight and safety location as the M1 Garand. Personally I don't mind the plunger charging handle under the forend, but can understand how it would be awkward for users that aren't familiar.
Or how it would get too dirty to be reliable in the damp areas of the Pacific theater
I remember back in 2013 when a lot of the more 'Fudd' type of sellers were featuring the zip-22 and marveled at its unique design and ability to take Ruger .22 mags. At the time I was interested in it because of how compact it was, the charging handle reminded me of the PP-2000 (only seen in video games), and I contemplated what a scaled-up version would be like for a semi-auto under barreled shotgun (At the time this idea was coming from the fictional weapon the Titus-6 featured in Call of Duty Black Ops 2). Apparently the Zip-22 was in fact advertised as an under barreled attachment, but if one were to do so without registering both weapons as a SBR/SBS it would be highly illegal per the NFA Act of 1934.
Queue Rick Shröder's "The Lost Battalion" movie:
"This is a French cho-cho."
"Chauchat."
"It's a piece of garbage, whatever!" 😂😂🤣🤣
I am so happy to hear that the channel is opening up a patreon! The entirety of the WW2 themed playlists kept me from burning out through peak season at my truckyard job. Glad to hear this is a way I can help the channel out now
What a great video, kudos to you Simple History. Out of all guns none were as abysmal as the Zip 22, even the Chauchat is a great firearm compared to that small piece of junk that caused a respectable company to go out of business. Btw you have some really nice thumbnails and this is one of them.
1:14 While listing issues with the weapon, such as the small magazine being expended in a few seconds, you portray it being continuously fired for 15 seconds. Also, "a few seconds" wouldn't be much of an issue because all commonly used SMG mags can be emptied in a few seconds. The mag of this weapon can actually be emptied in less than two seconds, which is not a few.
There are some guns that even someone who isn't well versed in guns would probably say it is a terrible idea for a weapon.
What about the evolution of artillery
Failure of the Reising M50 can also be blamed on some Marine Corp Armorers who did not understand that most of them
had hand fitted parts that could not be interchanged and they had a habit of disassembling batches of them and throwing
those batches into solvent for cleaning.
Given the designer intended it for warfare he should have thought of that. It’s not the armorers fault.
@@emberfist8347Actually, it was more of a Manufacturing Issue, not being able to hold proper part tolerances and the rush to wartime production.
Even without that problem the Reising was deeply flawed and a terrible military weapon.
"This is a French cho-cho."
"Chuchat"
"It's a piece of garbage. Don't worry about it."
Why the heck would this channel ever be demonetized!?! That’s ridiculous. This channel is awesome and more educational than 99.9% of the internet
because of blatantly false information and lies that have been proven false years before? it’s not exactly telling the truth with their videos
"Cursed Guns History Should Forget"
But you can still remember it somehow, Simple History
Awesome video as I always have loved larning bout guns. Just a minor issue with the Chauchat, you called it a Chuchat
7:34 Battlefield 1 reference (becasue how the wapon is holf and the angle is a dircet reference to the game)
The UK's SA 80 L85 a2, 5.56mm is a cheapo stoppage master
The L85a2 is a great weapon, sorry to burst this tedious myth. Never experienced a stoppage and its accuracy is ahead of contemporary assault rifles
I think he's thinking of the first version of the rifle and yeah it had many issues until it was re engineered by H&K
The l85a1 was garbo, not the a2
You did made the history remember again by making this video
Holy cow as much as I listen to you I've never actually seen you till now. Thanks for education brother
loved the detail of the portuguese CEP soldier being included to mock the Chauchat at the end of the video XD
Funny thing about the apache pistol, the pistol was only the secondary weapon compared to the knuckle duster and the dagger blade. It’s a hand to hand weapon first, gun second.
Another funny part about the Zip 22 was that its marketing materials claimed real military guys attached them under their rifle barrels like you would an M203. Evidently, Donnelly didn't realize this would make it an SBR, and thus subject to the ATF stampm
One of the problems with the 30-06 version of the chauchat, is that it was produce by americans manufacturers who mess up the conversion between the metric system and the imperial one. Inducing a lot a measurement failure in the gun's parts.
Great videos keep up the good content👍❤️
I find it hilarious that there’s scenes depicting the zip 22 in combat 😂
keep in mind that the chauchat was the fist LMG ever created and despite not being great, it did the job!
Zip 22, with all its faults, was never meant to be a handgun. It was a backup accessory, intended to be clipped forward of your AR platform's magazine. Why you need a backup .22 in place of a more useful M203 on your lower rail is anyone's guess, but you aren't supposed to wield it like a pistol.
What a shame about USFA. I never got into cowboy action shooting but I always loved the single action revolvers and lever action rifles. Coach guns? Not so much. Anyway, about two years before the Zip fiasco I landed my hands on a Rodeo model. I still have it. Action like butter. It's hard to imagine metal working together so effortlessly. So...synchronized. At the time it was an expensive impulse purchase. Now I wish I had also purchased some of the other models available to me at the time. RIP USFA.
6:15 he just started slapping him around!! 🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
Homeboy really throw down his M50 and said “screw it! knife it is”
It's interesting that the Apache Revolver was a gun, a knife, and a knuckle-duster all in one.
I love the Channel and you're awesome Chris! #nevergiveup
I support you thank you for the introduction you did
What gun would you use in ww1
The Madsen LMG. Best light machine-gun of WW1, even if it was not used by many.
Mosin nagant❤
One of the standard-issue service bolt actions, likely, or if I wanted to go battlefield 1 with it, one of the later model martini-henrys in 303 British
Springfield 1903
1911 of course
LMFAO the animation at 00:39 caught me off guard. It had me Rollin and sneezed my smoothie through my nose. First time that's ever happened to me.. hahah
let’s go simple history
With this title, and the guns featured, I see The History Guy punching a simple history character while Ian McCollum holds him down.
I love that part when the Reising jammed and the marine threw it to the ground and brought out a knife instead. 😂
I saw one phamplet for the ZIP.22 .The manufacturer wanted to make an adapter mount where you could mount it on an AR-15 .
1:00 ~ that issues was solved went their introduce the Thompson M1A1 variant which was lighter and cheaper to produce than the M1928A1 and the M1 Variant in 1944
Even the M1A1 was still extremely expensive and heavy for a WWII submachine gun.
At its best, the M1A1 was around three times the cost and 25% heavier than an M3.
You should have included INSAS rifle
I remember seeing those zip22 for sale years ago.
They laugh now but out of all of these guns here, the Chuchat lives long enough to become the Soma.
Good job, you made us remember it instead of forgetting it.
I thought the m50 was actually pretty reliable, but the m55 sucked
The Reising wasn’t an attempt to replace the Thompson but a stopgap as the Thompson was given priority to the Army and Navy first with the Marines last in the last to get new weapons so they had to do with alternatives.
3:27 I bet that this is exactly how zip22 was made. Even that detail with using side of hammer instead of face.
There was a shooting in Aucklands basset road in the 60s a m50 55 resing was used
The Chauchat was really a sub machine gun chambered in a full power cartridge, it was actually pretty decent for what it was, though some of its operating concepts didn't work at all.
5:38 That's to be expected... When you start combining weapons like guns with other things, you end up with something that does both things poorly.
The zip 22 is the ultimate meme gun
3:22. Why is he picking up that gun with the back of his fists? 🤭
3:14 Ah yes, the "Company Slaver" no cursed weapon compilation can be complet without it
I feel like it’s a fever dream at this point but I remember seeing a video here on UA-cam somewhere of the Zip 22 and it was full auto
The Chauchat is what you get when you task a bicycle company with designing and manufacturing a light machine gun.
Zip guns are the inevitable result of people finding something to shoot a rimfire cartridge out of...sorta safely-ish.
Why no mention of poor guys equipped with MAC-10, who tried to overthrow Castro?
Reising also made a target 22lr pistol in the 1920's which is actually a fantastic gun. It was a commercial flop due to the Colt Woodsman being a name brand and also a great gun. But I prefer to shoot my Reising target 22 over my Colt woodsman, both made the same year.
you should put the norinco type 64 silenced pistol in one of your videos
The MSRG SHOA was a new one but I'd heard of the others and was aware they were cursed!
Trying to get some of that Herrera love i see. Im sure he wouldnt be mad.
i give thee a salute for your troubles in giving us history lessons
Man I remember all the politicians going nuts over the Zipp22.
Should never forget history, doomed to repeat it
I'd pay just to hear voice lines of this man where tfs that patreon at!
Could you make a video about what was the best smg of ww2 it would be really interesting
It could also include nations like finland and hungary or some even more rare ones
It is universally agreed to the Italian MAB-38
Never forget! Learn from the failures and successes: make even better guns as a result.
Im just happy to have Charley Sheen out of my mind while watching some serious history....
The only weapon worse than the chaushit, is the type 94 pistol.
Bros voice is angelic
It amazes me how you guys make cool animated videos
The ZIP 22 looks like a cursed CSGO wepon
"Mike D come and rock the Chuchat!"🎤📀🎵🎶
Me (someone who has played Phantom Forces) seeing the Zip-22 in the video: GET THAT THING AWAY FROM ME ITS SCARY
because of the Ruger mags being used in the zip22, the Canadian gov / RCMP used that as the excuse to ban Ruger 10/22 mags that held more than 10 rounds (all pistol mags must be limited to 10 rounds, no matter the caliber), despite the fact that the Zip was to small / too short of a barrel to ever be legally allowed in the Canadian market.
Fucking Canada dude
Nothing about the Nambu? A gun that will fire simply by squeezing the slide.
Can you make history about the ruby hand gun?
Some weird ball guy is doing a pretty good imitation of the simple history guy.
I thought the SA80 would be here, the first time I fired it, the plastic oil bottle stored above the barrel, in the cleaning kit, melted, sending hot oil running down my arm, it would get a stoppage with the last round in every magazine, this could be fixed by putting a coin in the bottom, but the worst thing was probably the amount of jams, and the maintenance, it wouldn't work at all if it was too heavily oiled, or not oiled enough, the thing was just a joke.
Thompson wasnt particularly outdated, it served well into vietnam, its main issue was its relatively massive expense and weight when you could make extremely cheap smgs from cheap stamped steel
RIP USFA, imagine the brains to basically throw away your whole set business on a new unproven (and ending up terrible) gun. And it's not just then branching out to try a new gun, they literally got rid of everything else and threw their sole hope on 1 gun, what a brilliant idea
You forgot that Italian LMG that needed to oil the cartridges because it was so poorly made.
Which, given the fact that it was mainly used in Africa caused sand to quickly lock the entire thing up as sand, unsurprisingly, sticks to oily things.
Sounds like Ian got into the script writing based on that last line.