Learned a lot! Waiting for my 4.25 to arrive...... My 1st 1911 platform so im gonna super focused on your videos to figure how to do all of these upgrades.
Great video! Thanks for the advice. I just looked at one on special in my area. Comes with 5 magines, Red Dot and Range bag for 1299.00. I really want one to do what you did. Great Work!!!! Semper Fi
I love this! I hope to get one of these in a 5”. I know it is less reliable but i want to make it work and this channel shows that it is possible. Tank you!
Learned some things here especially trigger length - I have never heard anyone even mention out here in NC I got ahold of the atlas follower and spring upgrade kits for the prodigy mags and will try those out
@@erikmortenson73 follower seems to slide right in and - well I was expecting to see, and thought I did see the tube it was meant for - seems to be for the 140 and it’s very smooth with noticeable more spring power but not overly so - will do a full load tonight after I make sure it’s in the correct tube and give it a god shake and drop test etc see what happens
@@erikmortenson73 ok I missed reading it when I bought them but the order says 126 or 140 mm tubes - they are the 18% stronger kits (spring and follower) and well I just realized I sent in my 126s to Skip just in case he wanted to check magazine seating - totally not worth it as I picked up a handful of atlas mags from him doah!! But in the prodigy 140s there is a noticeable difference between stock and the kit - nosediving or tilting of the nose/front? of the follower is hard to accomplish with the Atlas kit just wants to stay parallel as opposed to a noticeable lag/dip on the stock mags until I push the very nose of the follower below the mag body at the front and in mine at that point there’s is almost a pop as friction or something is overcome - the atlas stays parallel as soon as I push - I bet if you can get the lips tuned up per skip/or using Altas mag tune kit or just de-burred, polish and in spec as can be (calipers on the tube etc) they would be pretty to very good. Drop test didn’t spit a single round - absolutely noticed a difference - worth it will be replacing all prodigy mags with this kit if they can stay in stock - I have no idea how 17 will fit in the 126 as the atlas is longer in the spring then even the stock 140 by a noticeable margin - I am a FNG and perhaps geometry, metal, thickness of spring let’s it happen or it’s just magic …
I was lucky enough to get the 5 inch Prodigy when it came out. I read the owners manual, I also read an online 2011 guide. Then I went and so far put almost 500 rounds of mixed ammo. I shot trash ammo like tulammo, wolf , steel, aluminum and brass ammo and some Defiant Munitions tcx's and Gorilla Ammo Silverbacks defensive ammo and not one single issue. I thought the whole point to the Prodigy was to have a sub 2000 double stack 1911(2011) I'm going guess if you buy a Prodigy and strip it and put aftermarket parts why not just buy an STI. I'm sure your about in the price range.
I had the chance to try one of Skipz Prodigy's and it had a way better trigger than a Stacatto XC, not to mention several other outstanding upgrades. All in, that Prodigy was around $2500 with better aftermarket internal parts than the XC. To setup an XC to compare to that Prodigy, you would probably be in at least the $5300 price range. So as long as you do not care about the bragging rights, then a Skipz Prodigy makes a lot of sense. Also, the fact that Skip already has the services listed with prices on his website and his vast experience with the Prodigy, makes the entire process easy. FYI, if all that you wanted was to have a "better than Stacatto XC" trigger and improved reliability, Skip has a package that is around $500. So for around $2,000 (gun included), you have a dream trigger 1911 double stack...
@SkipsGunz your prodigy vids are the reason I'm leaning towards getting one. Why not get a 2011 at 1.4k. Then upgrade the internals first, then grip, tri top, cerakote, or whatever floats your boat and still be around stacatto pricing. With a way better product that's a 1 of 1 at the end.
After a slight break in period the 4.25 has been just amazing. I never really had a problem at all but I haven't tried but 1 type of rounds. There's still room for failures though just none yet. Great review and video.
I can’t wait to get my prodigy back it looks great with that magwell. SGZ is killing it and Im already saving up for the V8 ports and PVD coating on the barrel and controls. Trigger looks amazing
@@SkipsGunz it better to have milling done before or after? Wanting to have my prodigy tri topped and window cuts in the slide I’m trying to get things in order so I can get things sent to you
Ironically, I have found most truly reliable 9x19 chambered 1911's to have 5 inch barrels. Regardless of slide geometries being round, tri-topped or isolated from spring weights and bullet weights or shapes. They were however, bushing guns with FLGR's.
Great video! Was curious if you changed any of the guide rods out for a tooless one? Also curious where you found the 8lb recoil spring? I’ve looked around and have only seen a 14lb made for the prodigy but not much luck on going lower
I bought the 4.25 prodigy and I'm almost certain it came from Springfield with a 12lbs recoil spring. Almost positive that's how all the 4.25 ones from springfield
I’m running the egw kit now in my 4.25 prodigy. It came with a 19lb main spring but someone told me would it be better to run a 17lb. I just wanted to see what the masters opinion is
I’m definitely going to have to send you my prodigy if it still have the failure to battery issue once I get it back from Springfield…it’s been an absolute headache…I’ve put about 360 round through it and let’s just say I never knew Springfield made bolt action pistols……had to slap it after almost every shot…..
I couldn't find much information on 4.25' custom work. Glad I found this video. When you mention recoil springs going to 8lb or 9lb pounds, im assuming you mean for the 4.25, but some forums say don't get that loose of a spring. Do you run 8lb on the 4.25? Even on egw website, the lowest they go is 11lbs.
@@SkipsGunzGreat, that's the answer I was looking for. Thanks Skip. Although, my 'gunsmith' that's been building 1911's and 2011's for about 20yrs, says I should use a 10# recoil spring. He doesn't like to go 'too' modern with his thinking.
So would you say the prodigy is the better lower priced 2011 to start with and make better as your income allows or would the rock island armory be a better option? Was also looking at the cz Dan Wesson combo of the cz 75 grip with the 1911 trigger and most of the slide and stuff.
For the mainspring, how many pounds do you recommend. I have heard stock is 20, with recommendations all over the place. Also, is there a difference in spring weight recommendations between the 4.25 vs 5 inch slides? Thanks, your videos have been very helpful.
Really depends on what u are going for and updates safe space is 19lb and 9lb recoil Can just send it in to us or we gota stock 4.25 waiting for updates of your choice
I must have gotten lucky with my 5 inch Prodigy, it's running great and I didn't have to break the bank. IMO they are putting a hurting on all those super high dollar guns for a lot less money. I competed in USPSA for a number of years so I have a good idea of what it takes to be a good gun. At a third of the price they are nit picking them to sale something you really don't need unless you a competing with the big boys.
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Picking up my new prodigy 4.25 tomorrow. Cant wait . Going to order the egw 1911 8lb recoil spring . Is this what u suggest. Also the egw recoil buffers. What lb main spring would you get? You didn't say in video. This is very cheap to do all this and sounds like it makes a big diffrence. This prodigy 4.25 will be my edc. Traded in my edc( sig p229 elite ) for it . Any help would appreicate it.
I’m looking at getting into my first 2011 and wanting to stay under the 1500 mark because after looking at EVERY ONE of ur videos and ur website I want a cheaper option and want to have you do some customization for me.. what would u recommend me starting with.. the 4.25 or 5 inch prodigy or the Mac 9 or ria ds.. what is the best for me to start with and customize with you
I have bought most of the upgrades for the Prodigy, but need the help of a skillful gunsmith. I'm super-impressed by your videos, creativity, and attention to detail. Let me know your best contact- Thanks!
i keep seeing people upgrading and breaking in prodigys to make them more reliable why not just get a Bul for a couple hundo more they have better triggers and are reliable out the box
Skip I should get mine Monday. I'm hearing people say to clean it thoroughly and run the slide a ton and clean again. Reason being the cerakote finish from the factory is binding the slide from going into battery. What say you Sir???
I picked up a 5" Prodigy DS last week. I put 100 rounds through it and it malfunctioned several times. Terrible! I'll reach out via email to see what you can do. Thanks!
The heavier recoil spring has a purpose. It's there to help absorb the recoil of the reciprocating slide and protects the camming surfaces of the barrel, slide and frame. It's one of the reasons why GI spec guns seem to run forever while competition guns seem almost dead after a season or two. The other issue I saw is that the manual safeties are that way because this gun is meant to be carried. Those massive safety paddles would preclude the use of nearly any holster that goes high up on the slide to the grip. Most duty or OWB retention holsters are not going to be compatible with those massive paddles on the manual safeties. Those safety paddles also probably dig in like crazy if you're appendix carrying. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be carrying either of those "custom" Prodigys you have there.
I hear a lot of assuming without any experience. These are customers guns that they paid there hard earned money for and if that’s what they want that’s what they get.
@@SkipsGunz Those "assumptions" are basic gunsmithing from very experienced gunsmiths. For reliability, you want as heavy a recoil spring that allows the slide to cycle optimally. They didn't use heavier springs on a GI spec 1911 because of looser tolerances. It was to maximize feeding reliability and to extend longevity to the less consumable parts of the gun. Looser tolerances and a sloppier fit actually means less friction so you can get away with a lighter spring and still have function. Tighter tolerances generally have higher friction as there's more surface-to-surface contact and pressure which requires more spring to overcome friction. With hammer fired guns, this also means tuning the mainspring and other springs as a set. Most custom or semi-custom 1911s usually advise a break-in period for those tighter tolerance parts to wear in and polish each other. The old GI 1911s didn't have such a thing. The armorer just cleaned out the packing grease from the factory, lubed it up and handed it to a soldier for issue. As to the safeties, I don't care if other people spent their hard-earned cash on it, it doesn't make what I said invalid. They may have wanted more of a range or a race gun and that's okay. I approached it from a carry perspective where such massive gas pedal safeties won't fit any level two+ retention holster and can only really fit on level 1 retention holsters that don't go passed the trigger or competition holsters that are practically cut-out baskets in firearm like shapes with minimal to no retention. Massive safeties like those would not be fun appendix carrying as those stick out well beyond the rest of the gun and that shelf will go straight into the body. When I was still in the Air Force, our armory still had some old 1911s from the Korean War that still functioned and had so many rounds put through it the barrel was practically a smooth bore. It still shot and cycled just fine and had mostly stock internals. As expected, its accuracy sucked but was serviceable. This thing had probably seen 10s of thousands of rounds and was still trucking. It was a rattling mess, but still functioned. Most competition guns used by full-time competitors get tune-ups several times a year with a major overhaul annually or bi-annually. You neglect the maintenance on one of those and it'd refuse to run. That old 1911 was the definition of neglect but was still shooting. One is designed to maximize reliability above all else and the other purposely sacrificing reliability for maximized performance.
Can you explain why you keep saying a lighter recoil spring is better? The rule of thumb most competition guys and team gunsmiths (AMU & All Guard) have said is you go with a heavy enough spring for the gun to cycle and be efficient. Having a gun tuned to take all the recoil is better than your grip, hands, and arms doing it. Just because a 4.25" with a 7lb spring that is super easy to rack or cycle doesn't mean it's good for the gun and or shooter (which is good then that you have the recoil buffer in the gun with a lighter spring). Good video across the board on the comparison. 👍 I just bought a 4.25 Prodigy yesterday so I'll be adding better components to it.
I’d like to see a chart of recoil and main spring recommendations (matrix or something) based on say loads - like which you should use I bet light for the competition gun loads but how about my 147gr HST etc - bet a google search would do it maybe - oh wait I see a squirrel
@@sidanx7887 I do know Altas states they use a 17lb mainspring for all of their guns. Yes heavier competition loads ie 147s could benefit from a lighter recoil when you're under the clock. Lighter loads like 115s tend to kick more so a heavier one would be better. Yep....that squirrel ran off. Lol
I have the 4.25 I love it no problems at all but I am thinking about doing a few upgrades just let me know what I need to do to get you my Springfield Prodigy
Anyone have the problem with your prodigy, where the slide doesn't always go completely forward when firing? I've been told to get a different spring but I have been having problems finding a spring that would fit?
@@SkipsGunz Is it really the trigger spring, seems like that would be a nonstop thing if it was not every few rounds like what happens with mine, to the point I've to push the slide back into battery.
Skip please help. lol I bought a Prodigy because I couldn’t afford a P. As much as I want to live mine literally doesn’t fuckin work. Like countless malfunctions. Only takes 124 grain. I got this to compete with and I’m so sad lol do I spend another grand making it work or do I sell it and just foot the bill for a Staccato
The entire internal setup needs to be replaced and tuned to get the complete setup. I offer something called the better Prodigy package Www.skipsGuns.com
Nothing needs to be changed on the Prodigy, a reputable gunsmith can retune the firearm with the stock parts. Everyone cries that is has MIM parts, but my gunsmith used the stock parts, retuned the extractor, polished and revamped the feedramp, re-did a trigger job with the "stock" parts and now she's running 100% better. At first out of the box I couldn't fire more than a few rounds before it double fed, jammed, etc. Now after my friend who also happens to be a custom 2011 builder and also a bad ass gunsmith did some magic on my 4.25 Prodigy and so far nothing needs to be changed. MIM parts are being used on Glocks, SIgs, FN, you name it and no issues have been reported because of the "MIM" parts. MIM parts are not bad, can Springfield use better internals/parts, etc. Sure, but then the cost would rise quite drastically. If and when any internal parts fail, then and only then I will have my gunmsmith change all of the internals. The only thing I am having done on it is to change the stock trigger curve shoe to a flat one, changed the stock crappy guiderod for an Atlas tool-less guiderod and play around with some recoil springs and lastly, having the Ghengis Port by Moonsoon Tactical~
No one said mim was bad. You just can’t tune a mim part to be as crisp of a trigger break with them they don’t react the same as a good ignition so instead of paying the gunsmith twice wouldn’t doing the full replacement once be more cost effective in the long run for most people. Not u with your friends experience but others without that luxury
@@SkipsGunz I was lucky to know someone, can't say the same for others. But it's always better to have good quality parts and yes some MIM parts can't be worked on but with experience and knowledge many thigns can be done without spending too much $ at the end of the day, the Prodigy is going to be like the Glock of 2011, most will modify it, improve upon it and dress it up~ Thanks brother!
They come with a 12. Skip is wrong, the 5” come with a 9. I have 12,13 and 14 but mine runs great with the stock 12. If you are having trouble with rounds not fully seating a 13 or 14 is worth trying.
U guntuber guys go too far... did u really measure your finger to decide the trigger of a friggin pistol ? I have the prodigy, first shots out of a 50rd box I had about 30 malfunctions. Took the gun home cleaned it and cycled the action quite a few times . That gun runs like a scolded dog now, 750rds now with 0 issues. Accuracy is unbelievable, I cant miss with it. The Prodigy went from a disappointment out the box to probably my favorite in my collection easy. Springfield hit a homerun with this gun. To anyone who owns a prodigy, A good cleaning and break-in is key, save your money before buy a bunch of stuff u dont need for an absolutely awesome gun.
I’d personally promise you would be retracting this if I did the prodigy package I offer. Sizing trigger is for guys with small hands and or long fingers. Sounds like a gimmick but it really works
No idea how to give off the impression ur trying to joke. End things with lol haha joking etc when doin dum stuff like that. Can’t read sarcasm without proper punctuation
@SkipsGunz I bought 2 STI 15 or 20 years ago when just frames were available. One is a 38 super comp race gun that I shot UPSA. The other is a carry in .45. I've been wanting a 9mm for range use but can't justify $3,500. That carry sized Springfield caught my eye. Thanks for the review. Could you include 50 yard best group from sandbags? Seriously, this time!
I’m certified In 1911s from SDI also taught by my grandfather father and uncle who all carry master gunsmith credentials aswell and have been doing this my entire life hopefully this passes your test of not being a basement UA-camr
So perhaps the basement UA-camr remark was uncalled for, but you shouldn’t be butthurt if someone asks you for your qualifications. You’re asking people to trust you with what may be their self defense weapon. Personally I would pass on letting you work on mine. Others may be fine with it, that’s up to them.
Not but hurt as u put it. I charge way less for something everyone else kills your wallet on and get nothing but thankyous for my work if u wana have someone else do your gun go right ahead. Free country bud
Here’s an even better tip get the upgraded parts and turn that gun into something that will be a really nice pistol instead of a 7lb trigger pull hanging on the disco barrel bumping like a jackhammer.
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Great tips! Especially with measuring your firing hand for the perfect parts fitment.. Happiness is a crisp & positive thumb safety.
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Learned a lot! Waiting for my 4.25 to arrive...... My 1st 1911 platform so im gonna super focused on your videos to figure how to do all of these upgrades.
If u get stuck let me no
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You should do a Prodigy video on the shaping and fitting the DP Gen 2 magwell to the Prodigy grip.
Great video! Thanks for the advice. I just looked at one on special in my area. Comes with 5 magines, Red Dot and Range bag for 1299.00.
I really want one to do what you did.
Great Work!!!!
Semper Fi
I love this! I hope to get one of these in a 5”. I know it is less reliable but i want to make it work and this channel shows that it is possible. Tank you!
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The 5 is amazing
Learned some things here especially trigger length - I have never heard anyone even mention out here in NC
I got ahold of the atlas follower and spring upgrade kits for the prodigy mags and will try those out
Let me know how it works out for you. I plan on doing the same thing.
@@erikmortenson73 follower seems to slide right in and - well I was expecting to see, and thought I did see the tube it was meant for - seems to be for the 140 and it’s very smooth with noticeable more spring power but not overly so - will do a full load tonight after I make sure it’s in the correct tube and give it a god shake and drop test etc see what happens
@@sidanx7887 sweet! I plan on adding the Atlas kit to the current prodigy mags and then buying a few of the Atlas 140s as well. Thanks man!
@@erikmortenson73 ok I missed reading it when I bought them but the order says 126 or 140 mm tubes - they are the 18% stronger kits (spring and follower) and well I just realized I sent in my 126s to Skip just in case he wanted to check magazine seating - totally not worth it as I picked up a handful of atlas mags from him doah!! But in the prodigy 140s there is a noticeable difference between stock and the kit - nosediving or tilting of the nose/front? of the follower is hard to accomplish with the Atlas kit just wants to stay parallel as opposed to a noticeable lag/dip on the stock mags until I push the very nose of the follower below the mag body at the front and in mine at that point there’s is almost a pop as friction or something is overcome - the atlas stays parallel as soon as I push - I bet if you can get the lips tuned up per skip/or using Altas mag tune kit or just de-burred, polish and in spec as can be (calipers on the tube etc) they would be pretty to very good. Drop test didn’t spit a single round - absolutely noticed a difference - worth it will be replacing all prodigy mags with this kit if they can stay in stock - I have no idea how 17 will fit in the 126 as the atlas is longer in the spring then even the stock 140 by a noticeable margin - I am a FNG and perhaps geometry, metal, thickness of spring let’s it happen or it’s just magic …
Sitting here bored and boom new skip video let's goooooo
Same lol
I was lucky enough to get the 5 inch Prodigy when it came out. I read the owners manual, I also read an online 2011 guide. Then I went and so far put almost 500 rounds of mixed ammo. I shot trash ammo like tulammo, wolf , steel, aluminum and brass ammo and some Defiant Munitions tcx's and Gorilla Ammo Silverbacks defensive ammo and not one single issue. I thought the whole point to the Prodigy was to have a sub 2000 double stack 1911(2011) I'm going guess if you buy a Prodigy and strip it and put aftermarket parts why not just buy an STI. I'm sure your about in the price range.
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I had the chance to try one of Skipz Prodigy's and it had a way better trigger than a Stacatto XC, not to mention several other outstanding upgrades. All in, that Prodigy was around $2500 with better aftermarket internal parts than the XC. To setup an XC to compare to that Prodigy, you would probably be in at least the $5300 price range. So as long as you do not care about the bragging rights, then a Skipz Prodigy makes a lot of sense. Also, the fact that Skip already has the services listed with prices on his website and his vast experience with the Prodigy, makes the entire process easy. FYI, if all that you wanted was to have a "better than Stacatto XC" trigger and improved reliability, Skip has a package that is around $500. So for around $2,000 (gun included), you have a dream trigger 1911 double stack...
Thanks that’s actually going on my website
@SkipsGunz your prodigy vids are the reason I'm leaning towards getting one. Why not get a 2011 at 1.4k. Then upgrade the internals first, then grip, tri top, cerakote, or whatever floats your boat and still be around stacatto pricing. With a way better product that's a 1 of 1 at the end.
Truth bro absolutely 💯
After a slight break in period the 4.25 has been just amazing. I never really had a problem at all but I haven't tried but 1 type of rounds. There's still room for failures though just none yet. Great review and video.
Great video! Call me crazy but I'd rather tweak the gun myself...more satisfying when it's perfected plus you're saving $$$.
I can’t wait to get my prodigy back it looks great with that magwell. SGZ is killing it and Im already saving up for the V8 ports and PVD coating on the barrel and controls. Trigger looks amazing
Thanks 🙏
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@@SkipsGunz it better to have milling done before or after? Wanting to have my prodigy tri topped and window cuts in the slide I’m trying to get things in order so I can get things sent to you
Ironically, I have found most truly reliable 9x19 chambered 1911's to have 5 inch barrels. Regardless of slide geometries being round, tri-topped or isolated from spring weights and bullet weights or shapes. They were however, bushing guns with FLGR's.
Great video sir. Thinking of the prodigy or the bul sas 3”
Great video! Was curious if you changed any of the guide rods out for a tooless one? Also curious where you found the 8lb recoil spring? I’ve looked around and have only seen a 14lb made for the prodigy but not much luck on going lower
I can help u with way more then a spring
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I bought the 4.25 prodigy and I'm almost certain it came from Springfield with a 12lbs recoil spring. Almost positive that's how all the 4.25 ones from springfield
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Yes, I called Springfield, they said it comes with 12# recoil spring
Alchemy has figured out 5 inch 9mm double stacks.
I’m running the egw kit now in my 4.25 prodigy. It came with a 19lb main spring but someone told me would it be better to run a 17lb. I just wanted to see what the masters opinion is
I’m definitely going to have to send you my prodigy if it still have the failure to battery issue once I get it back from Springfield…it’s been an absolute headache…I’ve put about 360 round through it and let’s just say I never knew Springfield made bolt action pistols……had to slap it after almost every shot…..
We can make the gun yours when u getit back even if it works better it will be something u can enjoy after I’m done
Sounds like recoil spring. Save money and learn your gun
@@michaelhayes6209 it’s actually on its way back right now so we will see how it tyn when I get it
I couldn't find much information on 4.25' custom work. Glad I found this video. When you mention recoil springs going to 8lb or 9lb pounds, im assuming you mean for the 4.25, but some forums say don't get that loose of a spring. Do you run 8lb on the 4.25? Even on egw website, the lowest they go is 11lbs.
Do you buy a 5 inch 8lb spring and cut it down for the 4.25?
Yes I cut the 5” down cause I also offer the same thing on the 5” pistol j also add a buffer
If u need work done keep me posted
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@@SkipsGunzGreat, that's the answer I was looking for. Thanks Skip. Although, my 'gunsmith' that's been building 1911's and 2011's for about 20yrs, says I should use a 10# recoil spring. He doesn't like to go 'too' modern with his thinking.
So would you say the prodigy is the better lower priced 2011 to start with and make better as your income allows or would the rock island armory be a better option? Was also looking at the cz Dan Wesson combo of the cz 75 grip with the 1911 trigger and most of the slide and stuff.
Prodigy is a great gun
@@SkipsGunz ok thanks
For the mainspring, how many pounds do you recommend. I have heard stock is 20, with recommendations all over the place. Also, is there a difference in spring weight recommendations between the 4.25 vs 5 inch slides? Thanks, your videos have been very helpful.
Really depends on what u are going for and updates safe space is 19lb and 9lb recoil
Can just send it in to us or we gota stock 4.25 waiting for updates of your choice
I must have gotten lucky with my 5 inch Prodigy, it's running great and I didn't have to break the bank. IMO they are putting a hurting on all those super high dollar guns for a lot less money. I competed in USPSA for a number of years so I have a good idea of what it takes to be a good gun. At a third of the price they are nit picking them to sale something you really don't need unless you a competing with the big boys.
There’s definitely some work I do to them that’s not that expensive that makes it away better running gun for years to come. www.SkipsGuns.com
Kids in back yelling where's my 2011 hahaha 😆
3years old acts like she’s 30
@@SkipsGunz ahahhah
I like the background noise - makes it real man
@@sidanx7887 yup skip is a good dude
@@mr2scroll538 yup I have two headed to him even with all the guys out here around Bragg that are 1911 guys - after working with him and getting his feed back I’m sending everyone his way!
Hey Skip, this is a message to all interested in your shops work...
For anyone wanting probably the best work that is not too cheap and by no means not as expensive as it can or could be more, Skip is the almost exact equivalent to Jeff Floyd of Floyd's Custom... Two entirely different shops two guys that will give you amazing fab work ... I just had my Hellcat Pro worked from Jeff and he's not a 2011 1911 guy... I took 1 look at Skips ports on his few works and he's a exact to Jeff Floyd... Anyone needs the impossible on 19 2011s Skip is it....
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very good analysis, the prodigy for the money it is very very good.
Picking up my new prodigy 4.25 tomorrow. Cant wait . Going to order the egw 1911 8lb recoil spring . Is this what u suggest. Also the egw recoil buffers. What lb main spring would you get? You didn't say in video. This is very cheap to do all this and sounds like it makes a big diffrence. This prodigy 4.25 will be my edc. Traded in my edc( sig p229 elite ) for it . Any help would appreicate it.
You gota tune it correctly but I run 17 or 19lb spring we offer this if interested
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@@SkipsGunz sweet thanks
How much fitting is required for the Dawson mag well? Does the stock grip need to be modified or just the magwell itself?
I installed a Gen 2 Staccato magwell from Dawson Precision, I just had to sand off the bottom edge lines and it goes right on.
I’m looking at getting into my first 2011 and wanting to stay under the 1500 mark because after looking at EVERY ONE of ur videos and ur website I want a cheaper option and want to have you do some customization for me.. what would u recommend me starting with.. the 4.25 or 5 inch prodigy or the Mac 9 or ria ds.. what is the best for me to start with and customize with you
I have bought most of the upgrades for the Prodigy, but need the help of a skillful gunsmith. I'm super-impressed by your videos, creativity, and attention to detail. Let me know your best contact- Thanks!
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Business appears to be picking up a bit. Way Togo and keep up the good work.
I’m pretty dam busy
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10:20. Does the Dawson precision magwell require modification or the grip for it to work?
Yes
@@SkipsGunz Which one requires modification? Or do both require modification?
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Let's paint those thumb safety to match 😉
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i keep seeing people upgrading and breaking in prodigys to make them more reliable why not just get a Bul for a couple hundo more they have better triggers and are reliable out the box
Skip I should get mine Monday. I'm hearing people say to clean it thoroughly and run the slide a ton and clean again. Reason being the cerakote finish from the factory is binding the slide from going into battery. What say you Sir???
Honestly it would not hurt but if you wana get the gun right send it in for us to replace and tune the gun properly for you
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Damn I just got my 5 inch Prodigy I wish I would have seen your video before
Can still help
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@@SkipsGunz thanks brother any help is appreciated
I live in NJ where we have mag limits of 10 rounds. Any advantages to getting a Prodigy over a single-stack, 10 round mag 1911?
It’s a better gun honestly just get limiters
Good informative video thanks
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Is the Dawson mag well for the gen 1 or gen 2 staccato frame?
1
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Bro the 4.25 comes with a 12lb recoil spring and 25lb main
This is why Glock will always be the best choice for reliability
What’s your thoughts on the duramags that come with the Prodigy?
Good video I have a 4.25 inch what will all that work cost?
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I picked up a 5" Prodigy DS last week. I put 100 rounds through it and it malfunctioned several times. Terrible! I'll reach out via email to see what you can do. Thanks!
Yes sir
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I just bought my first ine...Do you have a build list for the 4-inch model?
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Do you know where to get a drilled and tapped mag release for a staccato gen 2grip. Does the atlas drop in?
There aren’t any for that grip
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The heavier recoil spring has a purpose. It's there to help absorb the recoil of the reciprocating slide and protects the camming surfaces of the barrel, slide and frame. It's one of the reasons why GI spec guns seem to run forever while competition guns seem almost dead after a season or two. The other issue I saw is that the manual safeties are that way because this gun is meant to be carried. Those massive safety paddles would preclude the use of nearly any holster that goes high up on the slide to the grip. Most duty or OWB retention holsters are not going to be compatible with those massive paddles on the manual safeties. Those safety paddles also probably dig in like crazy if you're appendix carrying. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be carrying either of those "custom" Prodigys you have there.
I hear a lot of assuming without any experience.
These are customers guns that they paid there hard earned money for and if that’s what they want that’s what they get.
@@SkipsGunz Those "assumptions" are basic gunsmithing from very experienced gunsmiths. For reliability, you want as heavy a recoil spring that allows the slide to cycle optimally. They didn't use heavier springs on a GI spec 1911 because of looser tolerances. It was to maximize feeding reliability and to extend longevity to the less consumable parts of the gun. Looser tolerances and a sloppier fit actually means less friction so you can get away with a lighter spring and still have function. Tighter tolerances generally have higher friction as there's more surface-to-surface contact and pressure which requires more spring to overcome friction. With hammer fired guns, this also means tuning the mainspring and other springs as a set. Most custom or semi-custom 1911s usually advise a break-in period for those tighter tolerance parts to wear in and polish each other. The old GI 1911s didn't have such a thing. The armorer just cleaned out the packing grease from the factory, lubed it up and handed it to a soldier for issue.
As to the safeties, I don't care if other people spent their hard-earned cash on it, it doesn't make what I said invalid. They may have wanted more of a range or a race gun and that's okay. I approached it from a carry perspective where such massive gas pedal safeties won't fit any level two+ retention holster and can only really fit on level 1 retention holsters that don't go passed the trigger or competition holsters that are practically cut-out baskets in firearm like shapes with minimal to no retention. Massive safeties like those would not be fun appendix carrying as those stick out well beyond the rest of the gun and that shelf will go straight into the body.
When I was still in the Air Force, our armory still had some old 1911s from the Korean War that still functioned and had so many rounds put through it the barrel was practically a smooth bore. It still shot and cycled just fine and had mostly stock internals. As expected, its accuracy sucked but was serviceable. This thing had probably seen 10s of thousands of rounds and was still trucking. It was a rattling mess, but still functioned. Most competition guns used by full-time competitors get tune-ups several times a year with a major overhaul annually or bi-annually. You neglect the maintenance on one of those and it'd refuse to run. That old 1911 was the definition of neglect but was still shooting. One is designed to maximize reliability above all else and the other purposely sacrificing reliability for maximized performance.
Can you explain why you keep saying a lighter recoil spring is better? The rule of thumb most competition guys and team gunsmiths (AMU & All Guard) have said is you go with a heavy enough spring for the gun to cycle and be efficient. Having a gun tuned to take all the recoil is better than your grip, hands, and arms doing it. Just because a 4.25" with a 7lb spring that is super easy to rack or cycle doesn't mean it's good for the gun and or shooter (which is good then that you have the recoil buffer in the gun with a lighter spring).
Good video across the board on the comparison. 👍
I just bought a 4.25 Prodigy yesterday so I'll be adding better components to it.
I’d like to see a chart of recoil and main spring recommendations (matrix or something) based on say loads - like which you should use I bet light for the competition gun loads but how about my 147gr HST etc - bet a google search would do it maybe - oh wait I see a squirrel
@@sidanx7887 I do know Altas states they use a 17lb mainspring for all of their guns. Yes heavier competition loads ie 147s could benefit from a lighter recoil when you're under the clock. Lighter loads like 115s tend to kick more so a heavier one would be better. Yep....that squirrel ran off. Lol
@@erikmortenson73 I would love a matrix of the springs with use case and then buy all of them! Thanks for that info
My thoughts exactly. I got the 12lb Wolf recoil spring.
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love you fucking channel bro can stop watching
Only gona be getting better from here if interest in work
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I have the 4.25 I love it no problems at all but I am thinking about doing a few upgrades just let me know what I need to do to get you my Springfield Prodigy
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@@SkipsGunz appreciate it
Absolutely just let me know
@@SkipsGunz Yes sir we'll be getting in touch with you soon
How much for V8 ports didn't see it on the site
If I were to send you my prodigy about how much would all the upgrades and your work cost?just curious?
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Stealth arms platypus is not much more $ and you can customize it.
I have 400 through my 4.25. 2 failure to feeds the first 100 rounds took scotch Brite to the feed lips and zero issues the last 300.
Nice
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have you ever had your plate come loose? i havent found a solution for that so far
Red loctite
What pound main spring did you end up liking the best?
19 or 17 depending on application
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Anyone have the problem with your prodigy, where the slide doesn't always go completely forward when firing? I've been told to get a different spring but I have been having problems finding a spring that would fit?
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@@SkipsGunz Is it really the trigger spring, seems like that would be a nonstop thing if it was not every few rounds like what happens with mine, to the point I've to push the slide back into battery.
Skip please help. lol I bought a Prodigy because I couldn’t afford a P. As much as I want to live mine literally doesn’t fuckin work. Like countless malfunctions. Only takes 124 grain. I got this to compete with and I’m so sad lol do I spend another grand making it work or do I sell it and just foot the bill for a Staccato
What recoil spring would you recommend for the 5” prodigy?
The entire internal setup needs to be replaced and tuned to get the complete setup. I offer something called the better Prodigy package
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@@SkipsGunz it’s all egw internals with atlas trigger. 3lb 6oz trigger weight.
It had a 19lb egw mainspring but I had light primer strikes and put the factory main spring back in.
Who makes the slide release?
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Probably a dumb question… any way to make it more left handed friendly?
Not dumb I setup the safteys for lefteys seems to help I also can sell an aluminum grip that has an ambi mag catch
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Finger size 3.2 inches choose the trigger size?
Large
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What recoil spring did you use
Literally said in the video an 8 pound spring
lol 😂
Who in their right mind shoots with their thumbs resting on the safety!? Lol
P r o d i g i e s
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Nothing needs to be changed on the Prodigy, a reputable gunsmith can retune the firearm with the stock parts. Everyone cries that is has MIM parts, but my gunsmith used the stock parts, retuned the extractor, polished and revamped the feedramp, re-did a trigger job with the "stock" parts and now she's running 100% better. At first out of the box I couldn't fire more than a few rounds before it double fed, jammed, etc. Now after my friend who also happens to be a custom 2011 builder and also a bad ass gunsmith did some magic on my 4.25 Prodigy and so far nothing needs to be changed. MIM parts are being used on Glocks, SIgs, FN, you name it and no issues have been reported because of the "MIM" parts. MIM parts are not bad, can Springfield use better internals/parts, etc. Sure, but then the cost would rise quite drastically. If and when any internal parts fail, then and only then I will have my gunmsmith change all of the internals. The only thing I am having done on it is to change the stock trigger curve shoe to a flat one, changed the stock crappy guiderod for an Atlas tool-less guiderod and play around with some recoil springs and lastly, having the Ghengis Port by Moonsoon Tactical~
No one said mim was bad.
You just can’t tune a mim part to be as crisp of a trigger break with them they don’t react the same as a good ignition so instead of paying the gunsmith twice wouldn’t doing the full replacement once be more cost effective in the long run for most people. Not u with your friends experience but others without that luxury
@@SkipsGunz I was lucky to know someone, can't say the same for others. But it's always better to have good quality parts and yes some MIM parts can't be worked on but with experience and knowledge many thigns can be done without spending too much $ at the end of the day, the Prodigy is going to be like the Glock of 2011, most will modify it, improve upon it and dress it up~ Thanks brother!
What weight recoil spring do you recommend for the Prodigy 4.25".
Wolf
What weight Wolf spring? 12, 11, 10 lb?
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They come with a 12. Skip is wrong, the 5” come with a 9. I have 12,13 and 14 but mine runs great with the stock 12. If you are having trouble with rounds not fully seating a 13 or 14 is worth trying.
For 1500 bucks for a new 1911/2011 I shouldn’t have to do a damn thing
Ok everyone is allowed to speak there opinion here so welcome
U guntuber guys go too far... did u really measure your finger to decide the trigger of a friggin pistol ? I have the prodigy, first shots out of a 50rd box I had about 30 malfunctions. Took the gun home cleaned it and cycled the action quite a few times . That gun runs like a scolded dog now, 750rds now with 0 issues. Accuracy is unbelievable, I cant miss with it. The Prodigy went from a disappointment out the box to probably my favorite in my collection easy. Springfield hit a homerun with this gun. To anyone who owns a prodigy, A good cleaning and break-in is key, save your money before buy a bunch of stuff u dont need for an absolutely awesome gun.
I’d personally promise you would be retracting this if I did the prodigy package I offer.
Sizing trigger is for guys with small hands and or long fingers. Sounds like a gimmick but it really works
Atlas is far superior due to lack of that ridiculous outdated grip safety. Kapeesh. 🇺🇲
Atlas is double the price. Stop comparing Mustangs to Porsches.
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Atlas makes a 5” Titan and it’s flawless. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great video very helpful thank you
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I have a helpful hint! Sale It
Do u not know that I run a full modification business called SGz
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I hate when you compare a gun with another gun that's more than twice the price. Why? You don't compare a monster Chevy Corvette to a Tigorion
That’s a Chevy guy if I ever seen one
You lost me at 0:37 when you said the trigger is definitely not good. 🤦♂️
If u think a Prodigy trigger outa the box is good you should stick around and find out what an actual trigger done right should feel like then
How about getting ride of background noise.
Hardly noticable.
Yeah it’s an old video I got mics now but appreciate the help thank you
I have a hard time taking advice from someone who thought that those tattoos were a good idea!
I have a hard time listening to people that judge other people from a keyboard. There’s literally a saying don’t Judge a book by it’s cover.
@@SkipsGunz No sense of humor.
No idea how to give off the impression ur trying to joke. End things with lol haha joking etc when doin dum stuff like that. Can’t read sarcasm without proper punctuation
@SkipsGunz OK, can you give me the number of your barber? SRB (smiling really big)
@SkipsGunz I bought 2 STI 15 or 20 years ago when just frames were available. One is a 38 super comp race gun that I shot UPSA. The other is a carry in .45. I've been wanting a 9mm for range use but can't justify $3,500. That carry sized Springfield caught my eye. Thanks for the review. Could you include 50 yard best group from sandbags? Seriously, this time!
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Ok ✅
Honest question - are you an actual gunsmith? What are your credentials? I get the impression you’re just another basement UA-camr.
I don’t even have a basement
Ok, no basement. But you’re asking people to send you their guns to work on. So are you a gunsmith? What are your credentials?
I’m certified In 1911s from SDI also taught by my grandfather father and uncle who all carry master gunsmith credentials aswell and have been doing this my entire life hopefully this passes your test of not being a basement UA-camr
So perhaps the basement UA-camr remark was uncalled for, but you shouldn’t be butthurt if someone asks you for your qualifications. You’re asking people to trust you with what may be their self defense weapon. Personally I would pass on letting you work on mine. Others may be fine with it, that’s up to them.
Not but hurt as u put it. I charge way less for something everyone else kills your wallet on and get nothing but thankyous for my work if u wana have someone else do your gun go right ahead. Free country bud
Here’s the best tip. Just call the manufacturer, they will fix it for free.
Here’s an even better tip get the upgraded parts and turn that gun into something that will be a really nice pistol instead of a 7lb trigger pull hanging on the disco barrel bumping like a jackhammer.
Or buy a Staccato and not have to change anything or worry about issues lol. great video
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Have you ever did custom work on rock island tac ultra hc 9mm?
Yes I can
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