I’m a marathon runner, taking 8-10 grams of kratom daily for 3 years before my training sessions. I had my annual physical last week and the Dr said my liver enzymes all came back very healthy. No liver toxicity whatsoever. Also, he said my kidney function is extraordinarily good.
I believe IF Kratom does effect he liver, it's nowhere near the damaging effects of say, Alcohol. If it typically takes 10 years (more or less) of heavy drinking to cause notable liver damage, I'd expect Kratom to take much, much longer.
This is my husband’s daily experience, and I worry for his liver however, he just had blood work done, and they said he is fine. It literally blows my mind, and we argue about it.
@@ShadowFiend777 agreed!! One night of heavy drinking causes way more strain on your liver that taking Kratom before a workout. I’ve also read that exercise causes kratom to metabolize from your system much faster.
@@user-yup-you-are-human2 like anything, it can be damaging at a high dose, but from the experience of your husband had, and my self, having blood work done, the doctors would flag it if there was an issue. Thankfully, none thus far! 😁
Thanks guys. There is a lot of FUD around kratom as it hasn't been studied well / regulated etc., so it is good to hear about the liver stuff especially. I've only used it occasionally, but it seems to be less hard on my guts than oxycodone which has made me incredibly constipated and miserable, and that is the only thing the doc is prescribing for my pain after shoulder surgery. Per the advice here, I'm going to start measuring my kratom doses to make sure no more than 5g per dose and also it helps that I quit drinking, so my liver will be functioning better and able to clear the kratom alkaloids out.
good to know for harm reduction , kratom is helpfull to many people trying to get off suboxone . and genetic predisposition happens to be related to many other problems like food allergies and vaccine injuries . i feel like moderation is key to playing it safe with any substance .
There are tons of drugs that are addictive lots of pharma ones are.Many pharma claimed not addictive.8 year kratom user moderation is key .So after 8 yrs using kratom why is my health good ? I just had ct scan ,blood test and urine perfect. I'd like to see proven studies on liver problems.
@@mikegill9678 I was on it for 3 years and it got out of control. Major GI issues happened with me and started shortly after starting kratom..more so once i had to start taking large doses. My CT scan found incedental granulomas and now had a full CT scan. My liver and spleen have "inumerable" calcified granulomas. Not sure if Kratom caused this but one thing is for sure...my health rapidly declined after starting Kratom. Now a month off it but on suboxone instead and already feel so much better but calcified granulomas dont usually go away so hopefully they dont get worse now
I had a 6 year addiction to the powder about 30 to 50 grams a day. I was able to quit with black seed oil, vitamin c, and gabapentin. It was miserable! I stupidly went back to taking capsules. Only 10 to 20 grams a day for the last 6 months. It’s not nearly as bad. I’m on day 2, the black seed oil and vitamin c is definitely helping
That sounds very difficult. I’m sorry to hear that you’re going through that. Try reaching out on the “quittingkratom” subreddit. It is an entire community dedicated to helping each other go through what you’re going through now. They might have some helpful perspectives, advice, or strategies for you. Wishing you well.
ive taken kratom for my lethargy and depression it may be addictive but it helps me get out of my bed and do work and maintenance on my many many pets and insects i raise isopods and mealworms im planning on supplying the pet trade with my work before i took kratom it was hard if not nearly impossible to take care of my pets i told my psychiatrist about the physical symptoms of my depression and PTSD and i was offered ECT or Ketamine it was my choice so i chose ketamine im currently scared about the ketamine mixing wrong with my kratom so im planning on stopping again just for my infusion but ketamine is supposedly very intense so im scared of having a negative experience because as soon as i stop kratom my depression comes back full force and i can no longer leave my bed the reason im getting ketamine is because i was mentally abused by a group of people who i thought were my friends and i got PTSD i cant go a single day without having bad thoughts and its been many years since it happened idk where i would be right now if i didnt have the kratom probably laying in my bed or dead its great that you were able to quit kratom but i really dont think kratom disserves to be banned psychiatry is lacking tools to help people with mental illness and i think they need everything they can get allso since i started kratom ive nearly quit drinking alcohol and when i do drink i dont binge drink like i used to. before kratom i would binge drink every other day sometimes everyday and i basically had to be completely drunk so i could ignore the horrible thoughts that bombarded my mind i dont have a single friend the first friend i ever made was in the group of people who abused me i am socially awkward and its nearly impossible for me to make friends i was homeschooled throughout most of my childhood and i was completely isolated idk what it is but something about my personality makes people want to bully me a couple of years ago i was involuntarily committed to a psych ward when i was at my lowest i was so depressed and alone that i was starting to go delusional and i believed things that arnt true i was allso suicidal the other residents and some of the staff in the psych ward mocked and bullied me everyday i was in there only reason i didnt kill myself is because the psych ward took everything that i could kill myself with i got out of the psych ward by pretending to be fine when i wasnt because i didnt want to get bullied anymore i was still having trouble figuring out what was real and what wasn't to this day i still cant believe what people can do to other people who are suffering to actually bully someone who is so depressed and alone that they are going delusional it disgusts me every day and i have no faith in humanity anymore if you honestly want to know how i feel i feel like im sorrounded by evil people people who get pleasure from watching others who are suffering i was bullied by people who had a childhood and what i would consider a perfect life i didnt have a childhood not only was i homeschooled and isolated but my father was a alcoholic so while these evil people were in school playing with there friends i was hiding in my bedroom from my alcoholic father listening to him and my mother fighting my mother took me to a homeless shelter when my father started getting physically abusive towards her i still remember seeing her bruises i would of rather him hit me instead but i was too busy cowering in fear in my bedroom it feels like ive spent my entire life in a constant state of stress and fear the kratom helps but there are many days when even the kratom doesnt feel like enough to stop my horrible thoughts and anxiety whenever i hear people talking about there childhood and good memories or there childhood friends it makes me feel so angry because i didnt get anything close to what they had some of them might be depressed but atleast they know what it feels like to be normal because of there childhood. i feel so broken and disconnected from everyone and everything. maybe the ketamine will help me but i have no hope i really think the only reason im still alive is because of my mother i dont want her to see me die but as soon as she is gone i will probolly end it im just waiting for the end. i used to believe that all people were good or they had good inside of them but now after witnessing everything and learning more about the average person i look at people without the human concept of good or bad now i see monkeys who care only about themselves. honestly i would like to see humanity purged from this world. all they do is pollute and destroy everything they come into contact with i was also molested and sodomized by my older cousin. it just never ends something ive learned is that it can allways get worse life can allways take more from you or addon trauma people who say they were at rock bottom dont even realise that there is allways further you can fall even if you run out of things for god to take from you god will just add trauma or abuse anyone who says they are or were at rock bottom doesnt even know what its like to be close to actual rock bottom it can allways get worse and for people like me its more likely to get worse before it gets better i mentioned god at the very end but i dont believe in god or the afterlife if god did exist i consider him to be the most evil out of everyone ive met people who believe in god must of had pretty good lives why would a almighty god allow something like this to happen to anyone yet alone a child i hate religious people because they are pretentious and don't know there own gods true nature they could watch isis execute children and they would still think god is just perfect and doesn't make mistakes makes me sick. im hoping people who read this realize that just because kratom might not be for you doesn't mean it isn't right for everyone. even anti depressants cause horrible withdrawals and i don't see the dea trying to bann Zoloft alcohol withdrawal causes seizures and delirium tremens but the dea is completely fine with keeping that available to the masses. my father would not of been abusive if it wasnt for alcohol so why is that fine but kratom isnt if my father was high on kratom instead of drunk he probolly would not of hit my mother. alcohol amplifys your anger. and causes way more problems in society then kratom ever has.
I’ve been taking Kratom gummies and I quit drinking months ago. I started taking two gummies everyday for 2 weeks then I stopped for a month or two then I started taking them again and within the 2nd week I was at work and noticed a sharp pain below my ribs on my right side shortly after taking the gummies. I immediately stopped taking the Kratom and feel fine but noted I’ve never felt any pain in that region of my body EVER. I will stay away from Kratom as much as I love it I’m now highly skeptical of the side effects. Also a side note during the course of taking the gummies my urine would be a darker color then usual and it would have an odd smell which to me is another indicator of it being harmful to the liver.
@@uchiha_shisui682 nah I’ve had Kratom more times then I can count and I’ve heard from an actual bartender who serves Kratom and he says he got the same thing it felt like someone punched your liver. Kratom doesn’t give me gas. Also in places like Bali they don’t ever eat the Kratom leaf or drink it they only chew on it so there actually be a chemical change when eaten or digested that may cause damage to your liver it’s still debated.
I’m a marathon runner, taking 8-10 grams of kratom daily for 3 years before my training sessions. I had my annual physical last week and the Dr said my liver enzymes all came back very healthy. No liver toxicity whatsoever. Also, he said my kidney function is extraordinarily good.
I believe IF Kratom does effect he liver, it's nowhere near the damaging effects of say, Alcohol. If it typically takes 10 years (more or less) of heavy drinking to cause notable liver damage, I'd expect Kratom to take much, much longer.
This is my husband’s daily experience, and I worry for his liver however, he just had blood work done, and they said he is fine. It literally blows my mind, and we argue about it.
@@ShadowFiend777 agreed!! One night of heavy drinking causes way more strain on your liver that taking Kratom before a workout. I’ve also read that exercise causes kratom to metabolize from your system much faster.
@@user-yup-you-are-human2 like anything, it can be damaging at a high dose, but from the experience of your husband had, and my self, having blood work done, the doctors would flag it if there was an issue. Thankfully, none thus far! 😁
That’s awesome, I’m worried about kidney issues
Thanks guys. There is a lot of FUD around kratom as it hasn't been studied well / regulated etc., so it is good to hear about the liver stuff especially. I've only used it occasionally, but it seems to be less hard on my guts than oxycodone which has made me incredibly constipated and miserable, and that is the only thing the doc is prescribing for my pain after shoulder surgery. Per the advice here, I'm going to start measuring my kratom doses to make sure no more than 5g per dose and also it helps that I quit drinking, so my liver will be functioning better and able to clear the kratom alkaloids out.
good to know for harm reduction , kratom is helpfull to many people trying to get off suboxone . and genetic predisposition happens to be related to many other problems like food allergies and vaccine injuries . i feel like moderation is key to playing it safe with any substance .
There are tons of drugs that are addictive lots of pharma ones are.Many pharma claimed not addictive.8 year kratom user moderation is key .So after 8 yrs using kratom why is my health good ? I just had ct scan ,blood test and urine perfect. I'd like to see proven studies on liver problems.
@@mikegill9678 I was on it for 3 years and it got out of control. Major GI issues happened with me and started shortly after starting kratom..more so once i had to start taking large doses. My CT scan found incedental granulomas and now had a full CT scan. My liver and spleen have "inumerable" calcified granulomas. Not sure if Kratom caused this but one thing is for sure...my health rapidly declined after starting Kratom. Now a month off it but on suboxone instead and already feel so much better but calcified granulomas dont usually go away so hopefully they dont get worse now
I had a 6 year addiction to the powder about 30 to 50 grams a day. I was able to quit with black seed oil, vitamin c, and gabapentin. It was miserable!
I stupidly went back to taking capsules. Only 10 to 20 grams a day for the last 6 months. It’s not nearly as bad. I’m on day 2, the black seed oil and vitamin c is definitely helping
Decided to stop taking kratom-Day 2 of Kratom withdrawal 🤦♂️
Stay strong. 💪
@@AdventuresThroughTheMind 🙏
How long did you use Kratom
@@John-bg6gb 3 years
@@urbannaturalistt thanks for the info, hope the withdrawals stop soon
I'm so addicted to Kratom,i tried to stop but the withdrawal effects are too hard to stand, causing me to comeback
That sounds very difficult. I’m sorry to hear that you’re going through that.
Try reaching out on the “quittingkratom” subreddit. It is an entire community dedicated to helping each other go through what you’re going through now.
They might have some helpful perspectives, advice, or strategies for you.
Wishing you well.
@zocalo1990 I've done it a few times and make sure you taper, and I've noticed Reds are the easiest to wean off compared to whites.
Oh ok so alcohol 🍸 well we know that. But kratom is way safer then what these leal drug dealers give us.
I was super hooked on this crap!
2 years now clean
Congratulations! I know many people who have (and still are) struggled to end their usage of it.
ive taken kratom for my lethargy and depression it may be addictive but it helps me get out of my bed and do work and maintenance on my many many pets and insects i raise isopods and mealworms im planning on supplying the pet trade with my work before i took kratom it was hard if not nearly impossible to take care of my pets i told my psychiatrist about the physical symptoms of my depression and PTSD and i was offered ECT or Ketamine it was my choice so i chose ketamine im currently scared about the ketamine mixing wrong with my kratom so im planning on stopping again just for my infusion but ketamine is supposedly very intense so im scared of having a negative experience because as soon as i stop kratom my depression comes back full force and i can no longer leave my bed the reason im getting ketamine is because i was mentally abused by a group of people who i thought were my friends and i got PTSD i cant go a single day without having bad thoughts and its been many years since it happened idk where i would be right now if i didnt have the kratom probably laying in my bed or dead its great that you were able to quit kratom but i really dont think kratom disserves to be banned psychiatry is lacking tools to help people with mental illness and i think they need everything they can get allso since i started kratom ive nearly quit drinking alcohol and when i do drink i dont binge drink like i used to. before kratom i would binge drink every other day sometimes everyday and i basically had to be completely drunk so i could ignore the horrible thoughts that bombarded my mind i dont have a single friend the first friend i ever made was in the group of people who abused me i am socially awkward and its nearly impossible for me to make friends i was homeschooled throughout most of my childhood and i was completely isolated idk what it is but something about my personality makes people want to bully me a couple of years ago i was involuntarily committed to a psych ward when i was at my lowest i was so depressed and alone that i was starting to go delusional and i believed things that arnt true i was allso suicidal the other residents and some of the staff in the psych ward mocked and bullied me everyday i was in there only reason i didnt kill myself is because the psych ward took everything that i could kill myself with i got out of the psych ward by pretending to be fine when i wasnt because i didnt want to get bullied anymore i was still having trouble figuring out what was real and what wasn't to this day i still cant believe what people can do to other people who are suffering to actually bully someone who is so depressed and alone that they are going delusional it disgusts me every day and i have no faith in humanity anymore if you honestly want to know how i feel i feel like im sorrounded by evil people people who get pleasure from watching others who are suffering i was bullied by people who had a childhood and what i would consider a perfect life i didnt have a childhood not only was i homeschooled and isolated but my father was a alcoholic so while these evil people were in school playing with there friends i was hiding in my bedroom from my alcoholic father listening to him and my mother fighting my mother took me to a homeless shelter when my father started getting physically abusive towards her i still remember seeing her bruises i would of rather him hit me instead but i was too busy cowering in fear in my bedroom it feels like ive spent my entire life in a constant state of stress and fear the kratom helps but there are many days when even the kratom doesnt feel like enough to stop my horrible thoughts and anxiety whenever i hear people talking about there childhood and good memories or there childhood friends it makes me feel so angry because i didnt get anything close to what they had some of them might be depressed but atleast they know what it feels like to be normal because of there childhood. i feel so broken and disconnected from everyone and everything. maybe the ketamine will help me but i have no hope i really think the only reason im still alive is because of my mother i dont want her to see me die but as soon as she is gone i will probolly end it im just waiting for the end. i used to believe that all people were good or they had good inside of them but now after witnessing everything and learning more about the average person i look at people without the human concept of good or bad now i see monkeys who care only about themselves. honestly i would like to see humanity purged from this world. all they do is pollute and destroy everything they come into contact with i was also molested and sodomized by my older cousin. it just never ends something ive learned is that it can allways get worse life can allways take more from you or addon trauma people who say they were at rock bottom dont even realise that there is allways further you can fall even if you run out of things for god to take from you god will just add trauma or abuse anyone who says they are or were at rock bottom doesnt even know what its like to be close to actual rock bottom it can allways get worse and for people like me its more likely to get worse before it gets better i mentioned god at the very end but i dont believe in god or the afterlife if god did exist i consider him to be the most evil out of everyone ive met people who believe in god must of had pretty good lives why would a almighty god allow something like this to happen to anyone yet alone a child i hate religious people because they are pretentious and don't know there own gods true nature they could watch isis execute children and they would still think god is just perfect and doesn't make mistakes makes me sick. im hoping people who read this realize that just because kratom might not be for you doesn't mean it isn't right for everyone. even anti depressants cause horrible withdrawals and i don't see the dea trying to bann Zoloft alcohol withdrawal causes seizures and delirium tremens but the dea is completely fine with keeping that available to the masses. my father would not of been abusive if it wasnt for alcohol so why is that fine but kratom isnt if my father was high on kratom instead of drunk he probolly would not of hit my mother. alcohol amplifys your anger. and causes way more problems in society then kratom ever has.
How did you quit Kratom ? because I need to stop using it
@wattsnottaken1 there is a subreddit that has lots of helpful information. I believe it’s called r/quittingkratom
@@wattsnottaken1Taper your dose and space out the time in between doses.
No one is talking about heavy metals. Although, sometimes unavoidable. Is it comparable to what we have in our food?
You mean heavy metals in the kratom?
Is there metals in Kratom?
I’ve been taking Kratom gummies and I quit drinking months ago. I started taking two gummies everyday for 2 weeks then I stopped for a month or two then I started taking them again and within the 2nd week I was at work and noticed a sharp pain below my ribs on my right side shortly after taking the gummies. I immediately stopped taking the Kratom and feel fine but noted I’ve never felt any pain in that region of my body EVER. I will stay away from Kratom as much as I love it I’m now highly skeptical of the side effects. Also a side note during the course of taking the gummies my urine would be a darker color then usual and it would have an odd smell which to me is another indicator of it being harmful to the liver.
Might be the gummies. Just try a quarter teaspoon of normal pure leaf powder in some room temperature water until it dissolves in the cup.
Lol it was probably gas bro
Kratom leads to dehydration if you don't take more water
@@uchiha_shisui682 nah I’ve had Kratom more times then I can count and I’ve heard from an actual bartender who serves Kratom and he says he got the same thing it felt like someone punched your liver. Kratom doesn’t give me gas. Also in places like Bali they don’t ever eat the Kratom leaf or drink it they only chew on it so there actually be a chemical change when eaten or digested that may cause damage to your liver it’s still debated.
dude that doesnt sound like kratom at all, what the heck did you eat? my wife and i have taken it for years, daily.
Good job 👏
Thanks 🙏
Are you paid to put this out?
I am not. I mean, I have a Patreon, but I assume that’s not what you mean.
Kratom is bad news and you’ll find out
Talk louder please
This is from a while ago. I have gotten much better at balancing audio tracks in post :)
Ok!!!
@@MarioGomez-nd2mx SHHHH