Bosch Fence Trouble!! || Gravity Stand Assembly || B+ Customer Service
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Bosch 4100XC-10 Fence trouble out of the box?! Follow along with me and well assemble and check out the stand and figure out the fence after calling customer service. Full review video coming in a couple weeks!!
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==This product was purchased by me with my own money for review==
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I've owned this model for several years and have always fought the fence issue, I'm headed out to the garage to loosen that darn knob.
Thank you for producing this video. I was undecided about which brand of portable table saw I wanted for my small shop. Your information tipped the scales toward Bosch when you showed how to adjust the slop in the fence. I am very grateful for your clear explanations throughout the video, thanks.
Mike.... I have the older Bosch Model 4009 with the gravity rise table. I've had if for over 15 years with no issues. At the time I also ordered and installed two table extensions ((1) bolts on front for outfeed and another (2) for left side extension they each consist of two tubes with table level aluminum end which will slide in and out from/to the saw). I also bought several blade inserts for zero clearance purposes. This saw does everything I need in a table saw.
I’ve owned two of those saws. Each one had seen daily use for about ten years. There was a defect common to both of them. After around three years I had to replace the shaft bearing on the commutator end of the motor. The would begin to squeal until total failure. I would hope that Bosch has taken steps to rectify this. Regarding the fence, I was always in the habit of pushing at the handle end in order to seat it before I locked it down. I honestly can’t remember if that was an intuitive move or something I had been told about.
Makes sense there would be a technique to align the fence with the front rail before locking. Would be a good habit to get into just in case that knob gets turned in transit or say, by my 5 year old. I’ll have to figure that out for the review vid. Thanks for the tip!
Great vid. Really useful because I'm that 20* year that thought it would be 'accurate' straight out the box! Will be making the finer adjustments asap. Thx (* plus a little!)
Thank you so much. Just bought it tonight. I was frustrated with the directions. Your video helped a lot!
The fence on this saw was a mystery and a headache until I finally figured out the answer. Adjust the knob at the back so that the clamp at the front engages before the clamp at the back engages. It's very satisfying to see the fence come into alignment while clamping it in place, followed by the rear clamp locking itself into place.
Just ordered this model - considered the deWalt due to the fence issue - This video solidified my choice - Thanks
Just bought it today for 500 dollars at Lowe’s
Love Bosch, but the instructions suck really bad
I googled and found your helpful video
Thank you so much !
Been fighting this issue for a long time. It's a wonderful saw, apart from the fence. I've previously seen advice to tighten the knob, but never seen anyone advise loosening it. I'll try that next time I'm in the shop. Thanks!
Just what I was looking for about the fence. Thanks for putting this out there.
Glad the vid helped! Thanks for watching!
Thank you. I would not have known what to do with my fence if not for this video. Turned out I had to take the bolt cap off of mine to get it loose enough to properly align.
Thanks for the content! Can’t wait to see it in action!
Should be in two weeks. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. It made it easy to assemble
This is fantastic, thank you!
Thank you brother!!! Instructions sucked and this was helpful
Thanks so much for this video have been using this table saw for 2 years and having to measure every time to get the fence parallel, I never thought to try loosening it, I should have sent an email like you did
Glad to hear the video helped. Thanks for watching!!
What is interesting about your fence issue is that alignment setup was documented in the manual of my (quite old now) model 4000. That old manual has notes on alignment and squaring of the table, motor, fence, throat plate leveling, etc. sounds like they’ve just slacked off…
It's actually still there in the manual, see page 25 item 6: "Overtightening of the rear clamp adjustment screw 6 will cause the rip fence to be non-self aligning."
It does and I think the version where I talk about this got edited out. It also said over tightening can cause chattering if I remember. I decided this was still a good topic since mine came out of the box this way. Could be a 1 in 10k factory adjustment error, don’t know but I try to always show you guys what I find. Good comments and thanks for watching!!
Just got this saw. Was on my way to get the Metabo table saw from Lowes, but when I got there, the Bosch rep offered me a good deal on this one. It was almost the same price as the Metabo. Was skeptical about not getting the rack and pin fence but thought maybe Bosch didn't do the rack and pin for a good reason. Well, I got to use it today, and 2 things seemed funky to me right away. For some reason, I had assumed that Bosch, at this price, would have a blade breaking system. But no. I just have to wait for it to slow down. Since my previous table saw had the blade break, I found this to be a big problem for certain situations. Then, I just couldn't get psyched on all the fence repositioning I do with the non rack and pin. And... wait, why is there no rear table extension? Seems at this price range that should come with it. What do you think? I guess it's time for the Dewalt, Metabo, or possibly the Skil. Thanks for your awesome reviews
I felt and still feel this saw is superior to all of the other saws in the price range. The smoothness of the fence and the rip capacity was the deciding factor. I built mine into a larger table for added work support. Negative comment was not able to raise guard up vertical to adjust width of cut.
I continue to wish I could get a rack and pinion system for my full sized Delta table saw. I've had two smaller, job site saws with it over the years and it's a rock solid design.
You started out with the stand problem. Assembled a brand new one, then nothing more about the stand problem! Perhaps I missed something….
Thanks for the Extra Info. Their instructions, really suck! Great job! Thank you
I have owned at least 5 of the Bosch table saws since the first one. These were the original. The fence has had no issues for me staying true. I did have to change the bearing on the motor armature on the last one. It cost $22 including shipping and took 20 minutes to swap out. I have bought others including a sawstop. I still like the Bosch the best. (sawstop is great but has a couple of serious flaws that have cost me a lot when my crew keeps breaking it).
Thanks for the pro insight Bruce! I have a Bosch GTS15-10 on order and we should be checking that out in less than a month. I have high hopes for that new design! Thanks for watching!
That was good Mike. You’d think being a Bosch, it was be dead on.
I agree, I expect more from Bosch. Thanks for watching Jim!
I added UHMW tape on the major inside faces of the fence guide, which removed slop. I like thesawnecause its compact, but its no cabinet saw.
Thanks for watching Anthony!
Please try out the new bosch GTS15-10 with its new rack and pinion fence 😬
What a shame. I’ve read a lot of people really like theirs. I’m actually a big Bosch fan. I know they don’t get much love in the states here but everything I’ve got from Bosch, I absolutely love. I was gifted a ton of dewalt 20v when I started woodworking so if it wasn’t for that I’d most likely have a lot more Bosch. They do some things extremely well but seem to miss on other things. The jigsaw, routers, higher end sanders, are all excellent for me. I’d love to see Bosch get more love. They had an amazing deal on their tracksaw last week and if I wasn’t having a terrible couple of months I would’ve jumped all over it. UPDATE: I didn’t watch til the end. Glad it’s not a lemon. It took me too long to really learn my Delta T2 and dial it all in. I thought my Freud Glue Lone Rip blade was terrible, it’s an amazing blade once everything is dialed in. I can get glue line rips with my CMT combo blade as well. No up down method, move the boards around and perfect glue joints. Gotta check the fence for square often but for the price, it can’t be beat. It taught me a valuable lesson
I have one of their table top saws with the same style fence and it took me too long to realize it was off
I’ve bee using mine for a long time and never thought about till seeing your video. Mine is out about 1.5 mm and no way playing with that back knob does anything to correct it. I’m going to have to shim the front tee part. Too bad, I really like the saw, but it’s kind of crumby that it’s not really adjustable. No way that rear knob can fix it at the front if the cross piece is not perpendicular to the bar.
I had this saw. Loved it. Moved and sold it. Wish I still had it. I have a Bosch jig saw and router. Love Bosch. Just wish they were Made in Germany.
Stability of the stand for "when needed" 4×8 material? My experience is most roller stands that stay on their wheels like to scoot around at very inconvenient times. Any inputs would be appreciated
Mikey, what the heck? That's a pretty expensive table saw for having that type of a problem that the user has to fix.
I know that I would be annoyed by that. You're a good man and, obviously have much more patience than I do. Now if I just had a SKil Saw table saw...hmm. You're really doing a great job and thanks for the effort. You ware also very generous giving their customer service a B. After the initial call, I would have failed them; kicked the saw out of the shop and given it a bad review. Thus, I watch guys like you rather than being a content producer. Please keep them coming. I learn something every time I watch. Good weekend.
Lol! I’ll admit I was a little annoyed after that first phone call. Maybe I should have been vague and led with “I just have a technical question”. You can bet I’ll be calling some customer service line again soon. Live and learn. Thanks for watching Meat. Giveaway ends next Sat, should be fun. Thanks for watching as always!
@@ProjectsForAllReviews I've learned in my elder years that if I get a product that I payed good money for and it does not live up to the standards set for that product, that I'm dialing that tech support right away. We used to say, in the Army, that you have to find the "old lady in the tennis shoes," in order to get things done. Most of the time if you talk to the engineers or architects they understand theory, not practice. Keep diving, once you find the operator, things get fixed. Now, you're from Chicagoland and I'm from NYC; perhaps, we can work something out. Just saying...
Have a great week my friend.
That fence would drive me nuts....
How do i attached that guard?? By the blade??
I have to agree with you, I am trying to like Menards, but some of the locations do make that a bit difficult, and well can you beat a Hotdog from the Cart at Home Depot when you can find that? LOL okay on to the saw, great review and assessment of their customer service! I am really looking at the Delta contractor saw for my wood shop, just waiting to see what deals might happen around Black Friday! anyhow great content as always.
Thanks Dusty! You can’t go wrong with that Delta. If mine grew legs I’d buy another the next day. Thanks for watching!
My table saw is a 40 year old cast iron sears craftsman tank lol. It’s fence is awful like that one was initially. I have to measure a tooth and spin it to the back, and measure again to get it accurate. I’ve also found that we, as craftsmen and tradesmen, often know more about the tools than most customer service reps. 😂 That’s why I depend on dudes like you Mike, to fill in my knowledge gaps.
I’ve always wondered really how accurate a fence can be set with a tape measure. Sounds like a good future video topic!
@@ProjectsForAllReviews it depends on your patients 😂. Sometimes I get it perfect very easily and other times I have to tap, unloosen, but not too much, tap some more and so on for a while lol. I’ll be interested to see your findings on that Mike.
Another nice video, Mike. Instead of the customer having to jump through hoops to find out how to get a straight fence, how about they add that little tidbit of information to the user manual.
Hello Keith! The owners manual states over tightening that knob can negate the self aligning feature. I accidentally edited the part where I talk about it. I felt it was still a legit vid topic still since it came out of the box that way. Looks like a pretty decent saw otherwise. Thanks for watching!
Another great video Mike. Can I get the brand of saw gague you are using and/or the link? Thanks
Thank you! Here's the link: Its very quick and easy to use. I've used mine quite a bit and am still very happy with it.www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-saw-gauge.html
Got a general question is the Skillssaw considered the best that you've tested so far when compared to accuracy and power?
It’s between the DeWALT and Skilsaw for top dog. I think it comes down to what features you value most. Check the comparison vid on the channel. I’m still torn between the two. Thanks for watching Ricky!
I had this saw for just under 3 years before the motor crapped out. Changing the brushes didn’t help. Unsatisfied with the durability on the Bosch, I bought the DeWalt to replace it. By comparison, my old Bosch looks and feels like something from Fisher-Price. The DeWalt is vastly superior: better fence, less plastic under the hood, more stable stand. I also had a lot more dust trouble with the Bosch, as the design of cyclops lens on the fence collected so much dust that it was often impossible to dial in accurate measurements without using a tape or laser. The only thing I miss on the Bosch is the big fat off button, but overall, it feels like I traded up from a Corolla to a Porsche.
Nice 1 Mike. Thanks. Take care & stay safe.
Thank you Doug! You too!
bosch gravity stand is the best, i paint yellow my bosch gravity stand and put the Dewalt table saw
So my 4100's fence is brand new. Right out of the box the fence is visibly misaligned and I dont know what to do. it was such a chore to unbox and I'm dreading teraing it down and going back to researching a good table. I tried this fix with almost no improvement. And I cant loosen the read bolt enough to make the fron tclamp snap in to place too easily. It still has quite a bit of tension and will NOT budge once locked even at the loosest setting. Wait to you hear how for off, i dont have to measure in 1000th's of an ich as it's plainly obvious. If i set the fence at 1", the read of the fence, the end farthest wasay from me is 1.2" away from the blade. WTF. This was only slightly improved using the method in this video but still at like 0.15" difference from the closest end of the fence. I'm sad
Great video. Keep them coming. After you play with this table can you rate the various tables of that $ range?
We have a few more to check out but should have bigger comparison vids coming soon! Thanks for watching Pierre!
@ProjectsForAllReviews cheers buddy. Good reviews
I’ve had a 4009 for over 15 years. Works great - except for the miter slots. The gauge that comes with the saw is garbage - just like every other saw except that the bottom of the fence hits the side of the table causing you to have to bump the gauge slightly up. So I bought an Incra V120 and I can zero out the play in the channel. The problem is this after market gauge has the same bump problem. Hope your new one doesn’t have the same issue.
We’ll take a close look at that miter Keith. At a glance it’s the best one I’ve seen so far (metal). Most saws come with a throw away. Thanks for the heads up and thanks for watching!
Update: the Incra came with 4 nylon washers, 2 for the fence pivot and two for the locking pivot. Took me a while to put one of them below the fence pivot which gave JUST enough clearance so the gauge would slide through.
Now I KNOW there’s gotta be another nylon washer to go under the handle and the pivot lock. None to be found. There was one flat washer left so I added three more and put two underneath both points and voila!
The gauge that came with the Bosch still stinks.
Waiting for your video of how the saw performs before buying one.
Should be two weeks William. I hope it’s a good one. Thanks for watching!!
I had this saw, or a similar one, quite a long time ago... had bought it after doing a lot of research on saws, but it also had the issues where it would lock out of square really bad with the blade. made it almost unusable for me. They really should have come up with a system like a lot of contractor or cabinet saws that has it lock in from just the front so it pulls itself square every time.
I even did some research on a possible way to put a new fence system on it, but most of what I found it would come close to the price of another saw anyways, so never bothered.
I feel this fence style is tougher to engineer to be accurate and def requires more maintenance and diligence to keep accurate. It makes sense from a manufacturing angle why rack and pinions have become the standard. I do like variety and competition so I’m hoping this turns out to be good. We’ll see. Thanks for watching David!
I've played with the display model at my local Lowe's. I'm not a fan of those style fences, especially when they're plastic and aluminum on light-weight tables.
I don’t like this design in general either. I’m betting this is the best engineered version we’ll find but we’ll see in a couple weeks. I’ll be focusing alot on that fence and accuracy. Thanks for watching Jeff!
---- we don't have Menards in my area: in fact, the nearest one is to me is in Missouri ( I'm on the Mississippi Gulf Coast ) - I have never been in one and have purchased from them once: it was a total disaster but the fact was they had the literally LAST can of Rustoleum paint in Hammered Green in the USofA - first they charged me $30 in shipping for a quart - then they gave it to FedEX who shipped it 40 miles and then sat on it for almost two weeks - after complaints to BBB about both business, FedUP delivered it to a house some 1/2 mile from mine - I'm now firmly a Poe's Raven on both Menards and FedUP : NEVERMORE
I'm near Joplin. I could literally ride my bike to Menard's If I wanted to. 😂
Poor people. They just miss out on the advantages of Menard's.
Cust Svc: “nah, just throw something that weighs about as much as an Australian Shepherd, and is equally as unruly, in a box again and return it. Simple”
Dolts lol
LOL!!!!!! I agree Frank! It's obnoxious to expect your customers to disassemble a table saw and frame and try to put it back in the box. I did it with the big Ridgid R4520 and took me a couple hours. The family gave me some space that day! 😂
@@ProjectsForAllReviews hahahaah, we all know that one “kids, your father has had one of *those* days. Back off”
Hi Mike, I love your review, but i'm totally in line with the former comment : this is NOT acceptable for a product supposed to be professional. This fence design is even hardly acceptable for Chinese made DIY saws such as Stanley SST 1800 B5 or Scheppach HS105. To me the only fence design that is professional is the one on the Dewalt 7492 with rack and pinion design. I Will never put that money on the Bosch table saw with such a design and will prefer a Dewalt fence design !!!! And I'm not the only one to think that : see who the Chinese copied to make the Skil table saw...
It’s true rack and pinion is the standard nowadays. When we do the real review vid we’ll see how dialed in and accurate we can get this fence. I have high hopes as always it’ll be good, but we shall see. Thank you for watching!!
i wonder if that fence trick works on all of these type of fences?
I’m filming a very cheap saw now with a comparable designed fence and the answer is, nope. Vid should be out this weekend. Thanks for watching!
@@ProjectsForAllReviews looking forward to it Mike thanks!
Not having a reliable fence would make the saw unsafe and useless in my opinion. The design engineer should be embarrassed to put this tool in someone’s hands. It’s unforgivable.
I agree! Luckily it was just an adjustment and we’re in business. Would be bad if someone who receive it didn’t check it first though. Thank you for watching!