Bosch GTS 10 XC REVIEW - HONEST review after one year of use
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- A detailed and honest review of the Bosch GTS 10 XC one year after I bought it and after using it on many projects. I explain the main features, tell you what I like about it and which shortcomings I see in the saw.
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To get the knife aligned quicker, put a washer on each screw. What moves the bracket is the friction between the screw and the bracket, and a washer will definitely help with that!
OMG, this is the best honest review I ever saw. Thank you!
Thanks I’m glad you find it useful.
thank you so much for this complete review after 1 year of use, much better than unboxing / fist tests and so on....
+dedeyiccj Thanks for your feedback. I’m glad you found it useful.
Thanks very much for taking the time to put this together.
Thanks. you’re welcome.
One of the best reviews I’ve seen. Nice job. Thank you.
Thanks. Glad to hear it.
I have Bosch saw with the mobile base from 12 years and I still like it.Good stuff and good video.
Thanks very much.
That's a very good review and a major help for me in order to choose my next table saw. A big thank you from Australia.
You’re welcome - I’m glad to hear it.
Many thanks for the detailed review and pointing the pros and cons. Very patient and professional indeed.
Thank you. Glad I could help.
Well presented and detailed. Thank you.
Very helpful video from a man who knows well the object. Also a honest review.
Glad you like it!
6 Videos geschaut. Immer noch nicht alle Fragen beantwortet. Hätte ich nur deins als erstes geschaut. Kurz, knapp, informativ. Super!
Danke Thorsten, das freut mich zu hören!
Thanks very much, a very informative video, I've just picked up this saw and following your video has made me happy with my choice. The tips and tricks you've discovered will help me I'm sure.
That’s great to hear, Steven - enjoy your saw and the woodworking you do with it.
Very good review (i was looking for) thanks !
You're welcome.
I have this saw and completely agree with your overview. I have it on the mobile stand as I use it in different locations and I like the stand. One extra problem is that sawdust accumulates in the bottom of the case and although there is a grill to let it fall out much of it stays in and it becomes a problem when wheeling it through clean areas. I cut a hole in the grill so I have better access for sucking out the dust. Thanks for your review keep them coming 😀
Thanks for watching and for your feedback!
Extremely well detailed review. Very useful for me because i'm still not sure to go for a contractor saw or a bigger/heavier cabinet saw. Thank you for sharing your experience.
You’re very welcome! Glad it’s useful to you.
Great and mega helpful video. Thanks so much for your time and effort because I'm looking to buy a saw to have my own hobby shop.
Glad you find it useful. Thanks for your feedback.good luck and enjoyment with your new shop! It’s a wonderful hobby.
Wow. And I thought the issues were just me or my GTS10xc. You've exactly the same issues as I have. Bosch should really fix these issues and provide us improvements.
An excellent video review Andreas. Very helpful, thanks!
Charlie
+chazzer56 Thank you! Glad it was useful.
Thank you for this wonderful explanation
Thanks for the nice feedback
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
@8:43 for the fence that close to the blade you may want to use the narrow cut attachment to alleviate the issue with the tightening screw. Thanks otherwise for a good detailed and useful review! And by the way, if that is of interest for anyone, this saw is made in Taiwan (where Bosch makes some of its higher quality power tools, after Germany of course).
Thanks for the tip. And thanks for the info about Taiwan.
Wirklich genial. Das ist der beste Test für die Säge & dein Englisch ist genial. Das hilft mir sehr mein English zu verbessern! Herzlichen Dank
Danke für Dein nettes Feedback. Das freut mich sehr.
Thanks for the review. Greetings from the Philippines!
You’re welcome!
Great review, I am thinking of getting the next step down from this saw the GTS 615-216. This gave me a lot of pointers and stuff to think about.
Thanks for your feedback - glad I could help.
Great all-round review - thanks!
Thanks Ian!
¡Gracias por la revisión Andreas!
quiere suceder
Good explanation of GTS 10, thank you !
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Andreas. A very helpful review! Greetings from the UK. 👍
Thanks. I’m glad to hear it!
Thanks Andreas - very helpful - just bought mine so it’s good to know what to look out for
Glad I could help.
I found it very helpful thank you!
I’m glad to hear it.
Great video! I have the same saw with the same issues. Now I know much more. Thanks!
+Yinon Sofer I am glad that it is useful to you!
I have a zero clearens plate, I think ill make it my main plate, and insted of the riving kine ill attach those small table saw splitters.
I had a few projects in the past which really frustrated me for not being able to make a true 90 degree angel. when I removed the riving knife it all got much better. Im also considering getting back to a portable saw for long crosscuts. with a proper T type of fance there will be no misalignments, allothough it will take longer and will be less comfortable to work. but accuracy is the thing I alwase seek for. even the smallest diffrence in angels can drive me crazy haha
Andreas, really detailed and objective review, Thanks.
Thank you - glad you like it.
I bought one, after watch you (not machine) in this video. I have watched a lot of review. But I had get a decision after this. Seriously Thanks a lot.
Thanks Ahmet. I’m glad to hear that you found my review useful!
Because you havent seen the sawstop 10" jobsite saw
Sawstop doesn’t sell outside the US, at least not in Europe. Unfortunately.
Great review, thank you
Thanks. You’re welcome.
great review! thank you for it:)
+denis black you're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Good perspective.!!! Thank you
You’re welcome.
Thank you so much sir. Excellent review . Very very useful
Thanks. I’m glad to hear it.
I agree with you Andreas that's the perfect saw for your small shop. great review Thanks for Sharing.
+Opa's Workshop Thanks for watching Opa!
Thank you sir,my daughter bought me this bosch GTS 10xc.for my small woodshop.thanks for the review.
You’re welcome. Enjoy your saw!
I just purchased the same model recently. Great to watch your review, I will test my fence, probably it will need an update to make it align in parallel.
Enjoy your saw.
Good review - I have the same saw for over a year too and have found similar draw backs with the sliding table play. As for the hood that fits to the riving knife, you can very easily just hoist up the knife. It has uses 2 spring loaded bearings (at 9m44s) for a position lock for a top and bottom position. I'll make a video reply to illustrate this as well as some of the upgrades (modifications). Yes, Dust is an issue with the knife as well as collection. I made changes to my stand to deal with this but you are 100% correct - best review I've seen on the saw . Mein deutch ist nicht gut, so it'll be in English! Greetings from South Africa
Thanks Gareth. I’m looking forward to your video!
thank you for your useful video!!
Thanks. You’re welcome.
Thanks for the video, Andreas! I bought this saw in January 2020 after many reviews and comparison videos watched. It has been almost 2 years now and I have to say I also had to adapt my work and techniques to accommodate for many flaws, but there are some that you showed and some you didn't that I still consider as flaws that should not exist in such a costly product. The parallel fence - I simply cannot get it parallel to blade from nor the directions! I simply loosened the back screw a little to not grip that hard, I then set up the fence, lock it and use a ruler to check distance at the front of the blade and at the back (using same saw tooth). By tapping slightly on the back of the fence I can then bring it to distance to be 99+% parallel. It is far from optimal and sometimes takes me few minutes of checking and tapping till I consider it parallel enough. Another problem is setting an angle. I had to adjust the stops (at 90 and 45 degrees) and I have to always check and re-adjust from time to time. I bought a digital angle finder and use that to set my angles which is far more reliable. My built-in sled has a lot of play (about 2-3mm at the back) which I consider a lot. The play can be adjusted by removing it, loosening the screws holding the rails it slides in, making these parallel and then putting the sled back. I saw this in another video but haven't done it myself, as I also built a separate sled myself. I also found that when I use this one from time to time together with the miter gauge that was part of the saw, I simply have to push all the way do the right at the very front of sled and then push forward (i.e. pushing it forward at an angle). And there is another issue I am not able to find a source for - when ripping the wood, mostly hardwood, the blade vibrates leaving uneven cut with some deep marks. This makes it impossible to use the saw for jointing boards for later gluing them together. I do not own a jointer and didn't have much luck so far jointing the boards using a hand plane. And then the dust! It is everywhere! All these issues you have described and I added make me quite dissatisfied with the product I bought for 700 Eur. Unfortunately, there is no alternative, even in the higher cost segment. However, I am considering to buy a new Dewalt 7492 which seem to have issues with the dust and parallel fence solved! These two things keep me motivated to do the switch. Anyway - how is your experience nowadays (almost 5 years after buying the saw)? Do you still have it? Do you still use it?
I've seen reviews of the dewalt showing that the table platform doesn't come flat and that almost always it dips and there is a low spot around the blade.
I hoped that i could use this saw but You convinced me i could not. Thanks great review.
You’re welcome!
Thanks for the excellent review, watching from Saudi Arabia.
You’re welcome. Greetings to Saudi Arabia.
Schönes Video, alles gut erklärt!👍
+AllesohneKabel Danke AoK.
Nice video. Thanks pal.
Thank you!
Great review!!!!!
Thanks.
Thank you, good review
+Arslan Allaberdiyev You’re welcome. Thanks for the feedback.
Prima Video - schnelle und umfassende Information - danke.
+Reinhardius Colonius Gerne. Freut mich!
Hello Andreas
Many thanks for a great video. I have recently purchased the machine and find it suits my needs just fine.
Mike Paterson
You’re welcome. Glad to hear it.
thx a lot, your english is very clear and easy to understand for non-native english viewer. The rythm of the video is very good too: you speak not to slow (so we could get borred) not to fast (so we could not understand or remember important things). Great review. Anyway, did you notice the left sliding table precision can be adjusted? some people say the precision could be adjusted to around 0,2mm, that seams to me very acceptable.
Thank you Benjamin.
Hello Andreas, changing the blade is easier when you swing the cutting angle to 45° - you will have better access to the screw.
Thanks for the tip - that’s a great idea!
Joerg bastelt thanks for sharing!
Just a thought - a telescopic pick up tool with a magnet on the end, would be handy to retrieve escaped nut. :-)
Thanks for the tip.
I've also bought one of these saws. Generally I'm very pleased with it.
However, I must mention the mitre slots. There are two significant problems with them:
1. They are of non-standard width (narrower) so many tools which come with a slider will not fit.
2. They are not of equal depth so the sliders one makes have to be of different heights or, as I've done with my cross cut sled, routed out a slot to sink one of the sliders into.
I have the TS-4000. Nice to see they fixed the miter slots, and even changed them to T-slots. On blade changes, I recommend a flexible magnetic pickup tool. ;) I work on lower profile sports cars at times. I'm used to fetching. lol. I remember a Bosch sales rep, who was present when I bought my saw. He demonstrated one person can rip a 4 x 8 foot sheet of plywood. (with outfeed, and side feed supports installed.) I like my power switch better, It's a lift, and slap, that looks like the external of your switch. The need feature about it, was upon sawing and pushing through a full sheet, you can use your knee to bump the saw switch OFF. Thank you for the video! Nice job.
Thanks for your feedback!
Very précise and pragmatic description of this saw
I ve got it a i faced the same problems except the parallel guide witch is quite precise
The blade has Also tout be changed to obtain good results
Thanks for your feedback.
About that blade change issue: perhaps try a rotating wrench with stronger magnet attached to it (to prevent the nut from dropping). No idea if it works, but it just came to my mind. This video is right on point!
Sir, thank you. That is a great in depth review of that saw. Your efforts in making it are very much appreciated..
Thanks - I’m glad you like it.
Helpful video thanks.
Idea for the riving knife, move the fence up to the blade and then clamp the riving knife to the fence before doing up the screws. Should get you pretty much bang on without having to mess around too much.
Thanks for the tip.
For the riving knife I'd recommend trying to put some split washers between the Allen screws and the cast part of the knife. Might not eliminate the shifting upon tightening completely, but will surely alleviate it.
And for dropped screws there is always magnets! Fancy telescopic ones or just simply one tied to a string :)
Thanks for the tips. I'll try that!
Also try putting a small magnet in the finger a thin rubber glove and many times you can locate the parts using your finger tip
This is an excellent review - very informative, clearly expressed, and interesting to watch. Thank you. Voted & Sub'd.
Thanks. Glad to hear it.
Ausrichten des Spaltkeils geht ganz einfach. Mit der Einhandzwinge am Sägeblatt arrettieren. Schrauben festziehen fertig. Perfekt gefluchtet. Tolles Video btw.
Danke. Leider ist der Spaltkeil bei mir nicht ganz plan, so dass er sich nach dem Lösen der Zwinge wieder etwas bewegt.
Thanks for that information. The most important thing about a table saw is a perfect and accurate fence. If the fence does not work well, then the saw is only good for cutting firewood. So when I saw how bad the fence was on this saw (5:35) I realized that this saw is not for me. It's a shame, because I really liked that you could store all the accessories under the saw and it seemed otherwise okay.
I have since learned to use the fence properly - I just have to push it to the left very slightly before clamping it down. That way, I get accurate results.
Cert Good vid, thanks for taking time
Thank you!
Yes replacing the blade is a pain and even more of a pain when you bore size of the blade is bigger and you have to use the insert (shim) ring and you end up dropping that too.
I think we all agree with you as we all have the same problem. The plastic hood is different to the one I have, it is made up of two pieces with metal arms that moves up as you push the work piece towards the blade, also seen another version of this hood. It seems like different countries got different hoods.
Nice video i was planing to buy one off these ...Guess i have to spend a bit more
Thank you for a great review. Here's an idea for you: Try putting a little magnet on a stick to fish up any dropped bolts from the inside of the machine instead of turning it over.
Thanks for the tip! Will try that.
Nice review.
I had that saw before, but sold it as the same reason had as the more negative sides. I am looking at the Dewalt DW745 instead. Much more precise fence, and more compact saw. Easy to carry as well.
Thanks for your feedback!
Sehr sehr gutes Review!
+Alfred Neumann Vielen Dank. Freut mich.
cheers for the review, i m looking to get into getting some tools for my shop and i don't want to end up buying hot steaming garbage !
Enjoy your purchases!
I have just bought one and the fence was a bit juddery, but I have used a machine wax on the channels and it slides sweetly and accurately. I also waxed all the channels and runners. Now everything slides easily and quietly. Also when changing the blade stand the saw on its left end and undo the two screws, drop down the bottom and everthing is easily accessible.
Thanks for your tips!
i have the smaller model and is also really good but no so good like this one !! thanks for sharing bro !!!
Thanks for watching Kostas!
Thank you!
You’re welcome.
I use a magnetic telecopic pick when I drop a nut or bolt... Thanks for the feed back.
Thanks for the tip.
I want to buy this machine, thanks for your video. Good job
You’re welcome! Glad it was helpful.
I used to have this saw in my amazon cart, good bye now! thanks for the video.
You’re welcome … it has its flaws but it can be used productively with a few limitations.
Hi Andreas, great review. I have this saw and I agree with all you say. Two more downsides though. When the fence sit in its place to the left I have had a situation a couple of times there T-part gets stuck between the saw body and the off switch lever, meaning I can't actually switch off the saw. Quite a safety issue I wouldn't have expected from bosch. Another thing is that the miter slots are not same width, very strange!
Overall I like the saw. I built a big panel size cross cut sled that rests on the extension. Instead of having to cut a very accurate runner for the right miter slot. I cut a 30 cm wide piece of 10 mm particle board that runs between the table and the extension. I can easily adjust to tight fit by pushing the extension gently inwards towards the runner, and lock.
Thanks for your feedback, Jesper. I agree with point one: I rarely use the saw with the parallel fence stored away but it IS hard to use the switch in that position.
Good idea with the cross-cut sled. Thanks for sharing!
Nice bit of kit nice review
Thanks.
very good review.
Thanks.
What would be your recommendation in selecting saw blade TPI for hard wood and soft wood? Also, any advise for RPM of the motor? (in case of two options 2500 rpm and 5000 rpm)? Otherwise great checks and setting ideas. Thank you.
What about the dust collection hose for the top unit? much cheaper saws include it, in a 1k$ saw I didn't expect Bosch to make me buy another accessories for connecting the bottom dust extraction with the upper dust extraction
Hi Andreas, thanks for your review one year on, I enjoyed it and have found similar areas for improvement. Can you tell me if you have tried using the saw with a dado? I’m interested in using a dado set for obvious reasons but would like to have the opinion of another similar saw user.
In Germany, dado stacks are not available.
Thanks for the vidio my friend
You’re welcome.
Hey Andreas, Thank you for the great video. What kind of power connection has the saw? Is a normal german 230V supply enough?
Yes, it has 230 V.
Hallo Andreas, sehr schöne Vorführung. Ich habe auch die GTS und werde sie nächste Woche einrichten. Verwendest du das Original Sägeblatt welches mitgeliefert wurde?
Hallo Jürgen, ich verwende schon lange drei Sägeblätter von Freud, die es im 3er-Pack gibt: Eines für Längs- eines für Querschnitte und ein Kombiblatt, das ich die meiste Zeit drauf habe.
Great video.
Actually Makita MLT100x is very bad saw for active use, but makita 2704 which I have already 3 years aprox. is very good saw and presise too. It cost me about 600€.
I will never spend 900€ for a saw like Bosch GTS 10 XC.
Thanks. I've added the 2704 to my list, but currently it’s about 800 EUR on amazon so not much money saved. Anyway, thanks for the tip!
you know you can adjust the rails on the push table to have 0 play right?
Great review, thanks! Can you add a dado set to this table saw?
I don’t know. Dado stacks don’t exist over here in Germany.
Great video. I'm out shopping for one for the first time. It seems that on this category every brand and model has its flaws on its fences and miter gauges and whatnot, so they'll require extra time to fix and upgrade.
Yes, that’s what I’ve concluded over the years as well.
Kannst du was zur Ebenheit der Tische sagen? Bei meiner 10XC befinden sich vorne und hinten links am Griffstück Täler von >0.3mm. Bei den vom Schiebetisch verdeckten Stellen sind die Dellen noch tiefer (>0.5-0.6mm), sie sind deutlich fühlbar. Weiter rechts vom Blatt befindet sich eine zentrale Stelle, die nicht so tief ist. Im Prinzip auf den Seiten eines gezogenen Dreiecks von den Ecken ganz links bis auf einen Punkt rechts neben dem Sägeblatt. Ich denke das ist auf das Gewicht des Sägeaggregats zurückzuführen, weil dieses an der Tischplatte festgeschraubt ist? Ist das bei dir auch so? Messen könntest du mit der Parallelanschlagsverbreiterung (die man für feine Plattenschnitte und allgemeine Längsschnitte in Vollholz verwendet um vor Rückschlägen zu schützen) und entweder Papier (0.09mm Dicke) oder eben einer Fühlerlehre. Danke!
PS: Nochmals bezüglich der Probleme mit der Ausrichtung des Parallelanschlages: Bei mir ist das nach Augenmaß auf Spiel des Klötzchens zurückzuführen (Taschenlampe runterhalten und sich den senkrechten Teil des Klötzchens angucken, der mit dem Profil (nicht) Berührung hat). Der Kanal Nachdenksport hat angekündigt das eventuell zu untersuchen, weil es da schon Anfragen von mehreren Leuten gegeben hat.
Get a rubber door stop (or some other lump of soft plastic) and silastic it to the off switch lever or put a screw through from the other side into it as well if that is possible. I'll have a look at mine when I get it in a few days. I will probably silastic something on it as I can then remove it if I have a warranty problem. With a 3 yr warranty I don't want a claim knocked back because they recon I modified the unit and voided the warranty.
Thanks for the idea! I'll look into that.
data357 thanks good information
Thank you for taking the effort to do this in English
You’re welcome!
Auch ich Danke für den sehr informativen Bericht. Scheinbar ist es in diesem Preissegment, egal bei welchem Hersteller, nicht möglich, ohne genaues Nachmessen am Parallelanschlag 100%ige Genauigkeit zu erzielen. Danke fürs Teilen, Andreas.
+APPI Mobil Woodworking Danke für Dein Feedback Harald. Ja, für mehr Genauigkeit muss man wohl mehr ausgeben.
The shut off is set back a bit to avoid hitting it accidently with your lag while making a cut. The Dewalt for instance has a switch cover which stands out further and its a common occurrence to tap it off while cutting in close causing the saw to shut down while cutting. No good. Great review. Very good indeed.
Thanks for your kind words and the feedback.
Thanks for the great video. The saw is very well shown and demonstrated. It wasn't sold here is the US to my knowledge, but interesting to see the engineering and product choices and design. I would like it more if it were designed for more precision. I don't know of any sliding table saws that are intended so, maybe as for model making or something! Interesting, nevertheless.
Thanks for your feedback.
I 100% agree! Expeciaally the riving knife. It is real nightmare, completly unadjustable. I havent manage to adjust it with the original narrow blade to the present day. It is allways clogging the piece when it comes. I think I am gonna remouve it completely.
Thanks for your feedback.
Andreas Kalt+ When I need the fence to be ninety degrees I push at the front towards the saw. This locks it right. If you drop a nut down into the saw, use a telescopic magnet. I bought mine 2012 and used it a lot. I also bought a new blade Freud LM74R010 10" 30T TCG Glu Line Ripping 16mm Arbor Kerf 3,18 PermaShield Coating
+Lars Niklasson Hede thanks for the tips, Lars.
Have you tried putting flat washers under the riding knife clamp screws? This will reduce the friction when tightening so the block should not twist as much.
Thanks for the tip. I could try that.
hi Andreas, great review, very helpful....I have a short question as I'm thinking to purchase it too, just to make some garden furniture for us...do you find the precision good enough for 'home-made' products? thank you and take care
I have used it all this time. One thing to double check after adjusting is the fence. If you do that and learn if and how your fence might have a little play, it should be fine. I found that most inaccuracies in my projects don’t come from the table saw but from its operator 😉
@@holzhandwerk_ak :D:D:D I'm sure the operator has been fixed since then :D...thanks again, placing my order ;)
I think my comments arrive a little late: I saw the date of your video now.
I hope they can be useful anyway
First time in your channel!
Congratulations on your review, really honest.
As already mentioned by 3DHERO I also think that using the additional guide can bypass the problem of the lever tighten protection, but surely if the bolt was turned 180 ° the problem would not be presented.
Regarding the emergency lever, I think that if you add a thickness at the point of contact between the red lever and the "OFF" button you should be able to recover the problem that, as you say, as it leaves the factory, it is not very practical.
About disassembling the blade you could try to build a small accessory: folded like this: J "(take the letter J and the quotes as a drawing and imagine the axis of the blade on the left side of the drawing) the curved part of J is of sufficient diameter to contain nut and washer and at the end of the short side of the J stick a small magnet with a smaller diameter than the blade axis, which you will place on the axis head after loosening the nut, so you will be sure not to drop them.
for this "magnetic wonder J" you could use one of those metal plates that hold the rubber trowel in an old windshield wiper.
It is hard enough to hang from the magnet
Thanks for your feedback! Much appreciated.