Rewatched this tonight. The transition from "defense is throwing spaghetti at the wall" Emily to "THIS IS PROSECUTION FUCKERY" Emily is almost cinematic. It's quickly become my comfort rewatch
I'm only just watching these now and something everyone missed at the time was Seth admitted to it on the stand in the HG case. E He said he had the green can of rounds from 1882 and he was matching them to the other bullets (visually from the chemical used to do the pattina) and boxing them up to go back to set with Sarah when she came to collect the extra rounds. He loaded them into the boxes from the same supplier, I forget the initials, which was also the same as the boxes HG's step father used because they both use the same supplier. Another thing I picked up on, everyone is saying the gunpowder was chemically analysed, it wasn't it was looked at under a microscope. The chemical composition was never checked. My son is a gun doctor and he picked up on it straight away. Chemically they're mostly the same and you can't distinguished between manufacturers. Which means those who aren't experts have listened to them say chemically analysed and assumed the meaning.
@@helensmusings You're saying Seth admitted to bringing the live rounds to set just because he and Thell used the same boxes and suppliers? Hannah literally admitted that she brought Thell's box from *home*, and that that was the box she was pulling rounds from. I get that Seth seems like a shit supplier and all that but people trying to put a woman's death on him in both Hannah's trial and then again in this one is ridiculous. Thell's friend tried to put the blame on Seth to protect Hannah after her conviction and it ended up messing up this trial - if the Reeds and friends, as well as most of the commenters of this case, have spent years trying to put the blame on Seth and there's still no clear definitive proof of Seth causing this death then you need to just give up at this point. Unless you have actual evidence that Seth snuck into Thell Reed's home and put live bullets into the box that Hannah then brought to set and started pulling from to put into prop guns, then you can't keep arguing this.
I acknowledge the seriousness of this trial, but honesty that was the most entertaining thing ive watched in forever. Its 2am here in the UK and I can't switch it off. Emily, you add a level of expertise and hilarity to these live trials that is so unique. I applaude you!!!😂❤
@@sallycinnamon5370 Except she did do an interview on it and the testimony after she left clears her. She didn't know about the rounds in question. Kari Morrissey never disclosed it to her (Erlinda came to the case much later, so after the events took place) and when it was brought to her attention, she had an ethical obligation to move for a dismissal just like the defense was pushing for. So she agreed with the defense, the only hold out was Morrissey, so since Morrissey wouldn't do the ethical thing she quit the case. That is what lawyers are supposed to do. I don't get why you think Lawyers should do the unethical thing.
As much as I dislike Alec I’m happy that it’s dismissed under these circumstances. If a rich celebrity can’t get all the evidence by his legal team what chance do normal people have.
The sad thing is most other people are convicted because they dont have that million dollar defence and the ability to find this information and it can take decades to get to overturning the conviction.
@@harperr2180 and sometimes even if they have it, if the entire system is corrupt, they will keep doubling down. There are cases right now even proved by years of work from innocence project and the county refuses to eliminate the execution date. Is gross. For me any system lead by humans will never be perfect, because the power corrupts, but the judicial immunity makes it worst. They can pass decades doubling down and nobody will make them accountable. That is why this judge won my heart today. If you look at Hannah’s sentencing, is evident that this judge believed in the case, but the moment she saw the minimum appearance of impropriety, as should be, she got curious. She has all my respect.
I am so immensely grateful for televised trial coverage. Finally, those who abuse their power with by being corrupt or incompetent are being brought into the light for all to see. In just one month we've seen negligent police work from officers who drive while intoxicated (Reed), a corrupt, deceitful judge (Glanville) and today a bully prosecutor refuses to take responsibility for her treacherous behavior. It's very sobering, alarming and infuriating to consider how many innocent, railroaded people are sitting in jail because they couldn't afford mllion dollar attorneys. That's not justice.
And we found out the same prosecutor and her cops took everything Seth Kinney said at face value when they shouldn't have. If that doesn't make everyone take a second look at their assertion that they know Hannah was the one to bring the live rounds onto set, I don't know what is. She should have checked the rounds, but Kinney not knowing where his live rounds are at any given time, and when the dummies were picked up, tells me his "helpfulness " may have been him getting ahead of that bus. It tells me that Hannah's recklessness was mitigated by Kinney probably supplying live rounds, which no one in their right mind would suspect a prop house to supply.
I'm a paralegal also. I have to run everything by my boss whether I think I know the answer or not. I am not a/the lawyer. It is their bar number on the line with all matters!
I’m in the middle of some litigation right now and I suspect my attorney is unfortunately “offloading” many of the tasks that he is actually supposed to be doing to his paralegal, and I am noticing many little mistakes, having to call, email and correct them often. I don’t blame the paralegal, I’m sure she’s overburdened and doing the best she can, but I’m starting to be irked by what I perceive to be my attorney shirking things off and having the paralegal do things that the lawyer should be :/
I'm a paralegal too, and I hate the blame the paralegal bullsh!t. Usually the responsibility of an attorney that dies not want to take responsibility for his/her actions
Another paralegal here - I echo what everyone in this chain has stated. “Not my bar number” is my favorite response to attorneys who try to blame their mess ups on paralegals lol.
This is exactly why we need cameras in ALL court rooms! How many people who can't afford a defense attorney (team) like this, has this happened to? I'm shooketh, & disappointed in our justice system.
@@JenBee1 I'm going to slightly disagree. But only slightly. Family court, cases involving that are minors, there are exceptions to all courts being broadcast. But general, district, criminal ABSOLUTELY! And I'd argue felony court should be taken off the exception list unless lives are at stake, classified information is discussed, or national security is at risk. Even then, there cam be a delay for reactions or certian days not broadcast.
Morrissey asked Poppel these three questions (1:46:26): "if you 'buried' it, how did the defense attorneys know to cross-examine you on it yesterday?", "Do you have any idea when the defense attorneys learned about this ammunition?", "Do you know who they learned it from?" She then said "Those are some important inquiries". Her focus, even during the hearing, was on figuring out how they got caught, not how all of this happened!
Yeah, it reminds me of the alex jones civil case where jones' lawyer sent their entire disk of files to the other party by mistake (the files they claimed didn't exist) and then Jones got grilled on the stand and he kept saying "well we obviously disclosed it since you are asking me about it now"
EDB, I came back to do the replay crew thing at 10 pm ET to watch again. Watching your mindset change as evidence comes forward is why I Stan. Proud to be a Law Nerd for six months. Thank you for everything you do.
@@pigtails98 i absolutely love EDB!! I was work/watching earlier. For replay I have it on 1.5 speed and I have to keep reminding myself that’s why she seems exceptionally quick witted tonight plus her reactions are so worth the partial re watch. Plus I have nothing better to do on a Friday night 🥤
Yeah. I mean I don’t watch a ton of cases, but this seemed a bit unprecedented. I think she was doing it to save from being disbarred, but I don’t really know. Like she was trying to get on record it wasn’t willful.
@@mespb She was putting stuff on record for an appeal of the judge's decision. Pretty cool precedent, you aren't guilty of killing someone if you don't know where ammo came from.
“This is a terrible fucking idea……i mean I’m living, but for you, this is a terrible idea.” THIS SUMS UP MY WHOLE AFTERNOON ABSORBING THIS TRAIN WRECK.
OF COURSE, this is the one day I'm not in court! 300 years in the Read trial, 2 days of Baldwin; I'm gone one day and the tea comes out a garden hose!!
When the prosecutor has to take the stand they're not trying to save the case they're trying to save their career. My grandfather was a defense attorney for three decades and said he's never even heard of this happening before.
I suspect she may face discipline from the State Bar, and she realized that, and was trying to get her side of it on the record. If nothing else, she certainly hasn't done her career any good.
@@20thcenturyrelic Maybe. I have a feeling that she might actually welcome an official investigation. Really, I think this speaks to some major animosity between her and the Sheriffs department.
I just love the genuine transition of emotions that EDB passes through as she covers the trials. Shows how objective her coverage of the trials is. Thank you EDB!
Emily, I broke down watching the end of this. What a day to witness the justice system play out as it should. I'm about to turn 43, and this was the final prod that I needed to go to law school. You gave me my purpose. Cheers to you and everything you give to the world ❤
The year I turned 40, Emily covered Depp v. Heard and that was my signal to apply to law school. I’m now in my 2nd year and can’t recommend it enough. Self-assess yourself along the way with hypos and Quimbee and all the prep questions, do re-readings of the cases and update your briefs and you’ll sail! You can never over-prepare for the final!!!
THAT'S a good prosecutor. Following the law, full stop, no regard for the damage it may do to their case/conviction record. Just knowing that they (not necessarily they themselves but the state as an institution) screwed up royally, and, consistent with the duty of candor to the court, dismissing the case themselves as a result.
Oh, she DID NOT blame the paralegal.... oh, hayell no. As a paralegal myself, this is one of the most annoying things, when an attorney blames a paralegal for a mistake. That's lawyer 101... never blame your paralegal for your screwups.
Well, this will be an EPIC case study for every law school in the land! That prosecutor isn’t missing the point but rather she’s trying to minimize the fiasco.
That was a quick trip to New Mexico!! Never thought it would turn out like this. WOW. Thank You EDB for coverage. Looking forward to Coffee and Cursey words on Tuesday.
Hattrick of prosecutorial/investigator misconduct with the Baldwin case, the Karen Read case, and the Yung Thug case. Must be a bad month to be a prosecutor in a high profile case.
Don't forget the level of incompetence that the investigators displayed in the Murdaugh trial as well. These trials have eviscerated my faith in law enforcement.
And what happened in the YSL rico case!!! Judge had an experte meeting with a sworn witness WITHOUT anyone from the defense team!!! Defense found out, asked judge about it and judge was like who told you? Who told you? Att got thrown in jail!!! Everyone in position of power, everywhere! In every industry!
And what happened in the YSL rico case!!! Judge had an experte meeting with a sworn witness WITHOUT anyone from the defense team!!! Defense found out, asked judge about it and judge was like who told you? Who told you? Att got thrown in jail!!! Everyone in position of power, everywhere! In every industry!
This was the right decision. I’m replay crewing with my 80 yo grandparents on Saturday. I was getting super chatty about this with my grandma when I woke up this morning and then she joined me to replay then grandpa joined and now I’m here explaining the law nerd community to them. Thanks EDB for your coverage 💜💜
I'm actually so happy for Mr. Baldwin. I have followed this case since day one, and being in the Art Production business myself I have always been a strong believer of his innocence in this matter and that he should not be charged for it as an actor and it was questionable to do it even as a producer. Congratulations to you Mr. Baldwin. I'm happy for you and your family. I'm sorry to Halyna and her family about how this was fumbled but the result I think would have been the same. It's upsetting they won't find closure though from this.
Then you don't understand what the case is about. He is charged with creating unnecessary and potentially lethal risks on set - which is exactly what he did if you pay attention. Watch the armourer (Brian Carpenter)'s testimony from the Hannah Gutierrez trial, and it is clear as day that Baldwin is guilty.
I despise Alec Baldwin and it’s not political either. But this was the right decision. You shouldn’t watch true crime if your top priority isn’t a fair trial.
There was no real reason to dismiss with prejudice. I don't see why they couldn't call a mistrial and re-hear the trial later and sanction the prosecution. The family of the victim must be livid prosecution spiked the ball like this.
@@Playtechythe sanction IS the dismissal with prejudice. After the trial begins and jeopardy attache, if the prosecution causes a mistrial by their conduct then they don’t get to try again. Otherwise, if they were crafty, they could purposefully cause a mistrial if it was going well and take a second chance.
Erlinda Johnson was like Brady violation? I’m out. Like this was so wild. Discussing this in like you learn this in law school: you turn over everything doesn’t matter if you think it’s irrelevant.
She was not aware of this evidence and that it was not turned over. She talked to Kari over lunch and felt that they had an ethical obligation to agree to the dismissal of this case. Kari disagreed, so Erlinda resigned as she did not want to continue to trample on the defendant's rights.
In law and crime I heard she quit because she didn’t want this part to be televised. Why? We don’t know. Maybe more details will be in as days go by. People have theories so that may entice her to make a statement.
Can't help but be fascinated that she doesn't seem to realize just how bad it looks to make the argument "I can't be held accountable for this fuckup because it was someone else down the line who didn't do what they were supposed to" when her entire case against Baldwin is based on the argument that he can't be absolved of his own negligence just because someone else down the line didn't do what they were supposed to. I believe Baldwin should have been found guilty of at least something here, but I can't help but balk that they tanked it this bad, and that Kari is going with that line of reasoning for why they should give her a pass on not doing what she was supposed to on THIS case of all cases.
The comparison is insane. You’re telling me there’s a Brady violation and the court actually dismisses the case? It’s like the Karen Read court is in its own universe
I used to work in film ( Canada) and know a few armourers, even one that worked with Thell in the past. No one I have spoken to about this horrible case believes that the actor with the gun in his hand should have even been on trial. Fundamentally this case is about trying to get the ‘big’ name. No one who investigated or prosecuted really understood how a set works. No matter why this case was dismissed this was a fair ruling. Anyone who ‘hates’ an actor they don’t know cannot form an objective opinion. And there are tons of people who feel this way. I am confusion on that.
Ive been working in the tv/film for 10-11 years now and the most frustrating part of HGR’s trial was that the prosecution had no idea how a set works. Hannah needed a competent attorney that understood just how awful and unsafe Rust was, it would’ve helped beat back Kari’s bullshit. I have loathed Kari since the outset and I’m glad she ultimately disintegrated in the end.
I don’t think as an actor he should have been charged, as a producer there were lax safety standards and they had other unsafe incidents, that would have been more appropriate. No one thinks when handed a gun on set, in theater that it’s is loaded and clearly it may not have been obvious when checked by the actors
I’ve never seen a prosecutor take the stand in their own trial. In many jurisdictions that wouldn’t even be allowed. I’ve never seen a co-prosecutor resign in the middle of a trial. I’ve seen defence counsel resign but never a prosecutor.
The sad thing about this is that without these caliber lawyers they would have gotten away with it. If you don’t have as much money as Baldwin, you might/will not get a fair trial
Wow. Wow. Wow. That was 👌. Thanks EDB for your commentary and analysis. I started watching this hours behind. Its 5:05am in Kenya and once I got hooked yesterday, I just went on. Could not stop. Could also zoom zoom for myself. It was literally live court magic. Wow. Okay, let me catch some sleep or something. Wow
It was interesting watching her try to evade Spiro's questions. I think she didn't understand what he was getting at, but she knew it wasn't good for her. Idk. I watched Seth Kenney's police interview here on UA-cam, and what struck me was how eager he was to throw Gutierrez-Reed under the bus. I thought that he was trying to direct the detective away from his role in possibly supplying live rounds to the set. I'm wondering if possibly the sheriff's department is now going to look at him more closely. I don't think he has an immunity agreement. From the photos I saw, his shop is a mess, and I believe he admitted in testimony in the G-R trial that he doesn't keep an inventory of ammunition.
@@20thcenturyrelic it would be nice if new team of investigators picked up pro bono to comb through all the cases filed -including cases filed outside of the Rust trial. Call in the ones who left the set (what was their reason for leaving?) (could they have planted a live round to prove their point for their reasons on leaving?) Look through all footage. It could be there is clear evidence on who is as fault and we find these trials was a complete waste of taxpayer money.
You, and only you, are the one that I turn to for excellent explanation that I, as a layperson, can fully understand. Finally I get what “with prejudice” means. I love your honest reaction… it was how I realized just how important this ruling,,, this deception, was. I’m overwhelmed with caring for my 91yo Veteran husband with Alzheimer’s and 2 14 mo old pups my sons gave me just before cancer took my oldest at 52yo so I am no longer able to watch your amazing podcast as I used to quite sometime before that definitive Depp case. Thank you for years of not only great legalese but the entertainment value of your incredible personality. I found you way before the incredulous nearly over a few fortnight’s time and your fun beautiful makeover (which I’ve envied I wasn’t younger to emulate) Your dedication to family First has matched my life. That you are having fun most of the time makes me feel happy. How you’ve acquired talented crew and advisors for production.. win, win. 3 Q: 1. Your husband was part of your crew… has he left his career to solely work with you (if so, how’s that working out)? 2. What’s your family up to today (I’m sorry but only recall you speaking of your son and baseball, I think?). 3. Who would you cast as you in the movie of the week? Thank you for retaining your true self, staying humble and always respecting others and not allowing or condoning listeners to act on anger or incite poor behavior when they get over involved in some of your cases. Somehow, you effortlessly navigate between the people such as myself and more educated Law Nerds such as yourself or in the process of their education. I’m sorry for the length of this, but I probably won’t be commenting for sometime.. God bless you and all of your loyal followers. ~ K
THAT is an ethical judge...and Erlinda Johnson is a stand up prosecutor. If only Mass, Fulton County, and so many others were as ethical as these 2 people...and I do not like Baldwin.
All the breaks made me realise that my Catholic childhood was training me for this day. Sitting, waiting, and being able to take solace in knowing that, eventually, there would be an end 😂
Emily, I just re-watched your coverage of Day 3 Alec Baldwin for the 3rd time!!!! I am such a law nerd!! You are great. It was better than a movie! Love your reactions. You are fun and a great educator on trial law. Not just for us law nerds , but every criminal lawyer will be talking about this. Thank you sooooo much. You do a great service and you're funny as heck!!!!
Wow, what a day. I hope that someone excerpts the parts starting when Kari Morrissey takes the stand and ... the end. Emily's reactions were priceless.
EMILY!!!! I was watching ALL DAY at work but then had to go to a birthday dinner. Catching up on the last 3 hours now. HOLY SHIT!!! WHAT A DAY! Thank you for your commentary and all that you do, you are incredible!!
Thanks EDB for the coverage! Erlinda resigning during the day is the thing that sticks with me the most. I wonder if it started with the defense's filing the previous night and by midday Erlinda realized she couldn't salvage the case. I wouldn't want to work with Morrissey if I flew in an expert from Italy, put together a strong case and got ready to present it in front of a jury only to learn that I was about to get stomped by a potential Brady violation. I don't think we'll ever know for certain what Erlinda knew during the day but I do find it exceedingly interesting that she decided to gtfo during Seth Kenney's testimony, and that what happened right after that testimony was that Corporal Hancock implicated Morrissey in the Brady issue and set off the ultimate chain of events that led to the full telenovella we witnessed in primetime. I wonder if Erlinda knew what was about to happen at that point, did the cost-benefit analysis, and slammed the eject button before she got caught in the courtroom circus that was set to unfold. I am absolutely dying to see the sidebar transcript for just that sidebar alone, I need to know exactly what Erlinda said to Judge Sommers when telling her she was resigning from the case, especially since it seems that Judge Sommers just let her do it!
My guess is that Keri thought it wasn't even important enough to share with her co-council. Keri could be right - that it has nothing to do with Rust - but nobody closely investigated what he brought in.
@@pigtails98 With the interview we now have from Erlinda, it looks like you were probably right. She claims to have not known anything about this evidence until the rest of the public heard about it on Thursday afternoon, so evidently Morrissey completely disregarded it to the point of not even caring to share it with her co-counsel. If Erlinda didn't know about it, I wonder if it was even noted anywhere in the Prosecution notes.
@@bennypit4411there is no way that the prosecutor tried to get this thrown out. This blows up her entire career. She might agree with him politically, but an AHs and AH. She wanted to get him convicted, as there was a lot of precedence to never convict him in the first place.
Ok. Happy that the only sane thing was done here, but as a teacher with the rest of my summer ahead of me, I’m not gonna lie, I was looking forward to more daily streams. 😂😂😂
Can't believe I decided not to bother watching this at the time, because I was running a couple of days behind and then suddenly the trial was dismissed. This is absolute dynamite! My favourite part so far is when the prosecutor loses her mind, calls herself as a witness without representation and launches into a narrative testimony. I am in awe.
Didn’t even look at them. Just tossed them in an evidence locker under another number unconnected to the case. I wasn’t impressed with her in the HG trial. Hope there is at least some disciplinary action.
@@sallycinnamon5370 Disciplinary action shouldn't stop with her, either. From "the police want this from you" to "the prosecutor wants this from you" to "we should file it under a different case number" is pretty bizarre. The prosecutor made clear she wouldn't have disclosed anyway, but this action ensures that even reviewing the case files wouldn't reveal the existence of this evidence, and that it wouldn't be tested against the Rust evidence. Why?
@@BratLyagushkaespecially because it probably wouldn’t have changed much about the trial anyway. Maybe would have helped their idea it could have been outside Baldwin’s control etc, but there were going to be some cell phone conversations coming out, his interviews and statements, plenty to work with. And they tanked it just because they were full of themselves. How many times has this law & order team done something similar and gotten away with it because there wasn’t another defense lawyer who knew about the evidence? So arrogant to do it on this high profile of a case. The family deserved better.
@@laurawendt8471 Yeah, I agree it probably wouldn't have ended up changing things. The perspective of the individual jurors on the "check it yourself" perspective vs. the "trust the experts" perspective would likely have determined conviction, acquittal, or hung jury. Here are some of the possibilities I've thought about since. 1) This is immediately after a conviction (HGR). Perhaps someone reacted like "New evidence now? Last thing we need! Bury it!" 2) As you mention, it could have implied a possible additional intervening cause (did Kenney supply the rounds?), which could have been used to argue for reduced culpability, either to the jury or to the judge at sentencing. 3) Kenney was astonishingly (suspiciously?) close to the investigation throughout, even essentially interviewing witnesses for them (the text messages to Teske on behalf of the police???). Also, they'd publicly cleared him, asserting that HGR was the only possible source. If he was close enough to someone that they let him so close to the investigation, perhaps someone decided evidence that could reopen the Kenney question should be buried. That might imply that Morrissey was genuinely out of the loop on "this would result in a different undisclosed case number", if it was a cozy relationship between police and Kenney that triggered it. But of course Morrissey continues to defend the actions, so she's not innocent, whether she knew about the other case number at the time or not...
I don't know that I believe she's corrupt. I think she royally messed up and the case absolutely got thrown out properly. I think she assumed the rounds were irrelevant and didn't do what she should have done and go look at them herself.
@@rachelsavard851I rewatched the first time Poppel was on the day before, and wow the way she was dodging and he was trying to get her there, now it just looks like she was withholding on the stand. We were all saying oh she is choosing her words carefully, she only wants to talk about her specific job/field, she is a good tech witness. NOW… 😮 it’s there
@@fitflik4784it was so refreshing to see a Judge so involved. From wearing gloves, referring to her own note taking , and asking the right questions which led to exposing the prosecutor and lead officer basically colluded to withhold evidence. This case was insane!!!
@@Andy-qk4io It was interesting watching the judge go from being deferential to the prosecutor to realizing that there had been serious prosecutorial misconduct. I have to agree with EDB that the judge was mad as hell about it. In a very judicial and professional way.
I-fell-down-the-rabbit-hole.....all of this is totally surrea!l A Gazillion thanks to you Emily for the amazing coverage of this trial 💜 Lots of love to all the Law Nerds ♥️
Absolutely loooooved EDB’s commentary for this day in court! I don’t think I have ever 😂 and 🤯 so much during a trial day before!!! Bless you Emily, lol! Thank you for doing all this for us! Have a relaxing weekend! Can’t wait for the next trial! 💜
I watched Runkle calling this first and he was calling it as 'house on fire' and Prosecutor in trouble and heading for Dismissal meanwhile at the exact same points Emily is calling it for the prosecutor and how calm she is and the defence is pulling fcukery. So interesting it shows the different way a prosecutor and a defence lawyer calls the same information and how it totally affects the way we see it. But it was Runkle calling what was happening so early. Then when Emily gets there and goes code red you just KNOW sh$t is about to go down. Honestly this is better than any TV show.
Emily's coverage of this trial does not disappoint. Her reactions and explanation of court procedure is greatly appreciated. Plus your hair looks fabulous as always. ty
I, too, appreciated Alex Baldwin's Saturday Night Live stints! Best ever! This prosecutor? She's something else I'll say. But the best part? Emily of course!!!
Yes he was funny on SNL. I can be unbiased there. But he’s a terrible person and a google search will point out all the horrible things he’s done over the last 30 years. Him calling his wife hours after Helena Died (after HE sh0t her) to tell her to come to New Mexico for a fun visit or else they’d lose their air fare is the most disturbing thing he’s done. He had zero remorse for what he did and zero empathy for her suffering and her families trauma.
@@kateashby3066he’s an awful person, but I do think he had remorse. He was in shock. Alec is known for being an AH, but I don’t think we can say he didn’t have remorse. There’s other examples where he does show remorse.
Honestly people are always trying to gain an advantage through any means. Its every where. Just one example in sports it takes the form of performance enhancing drugs.
Love being a law nerd, and being able to feel really sad for the victims, to really dislike Alec Baldwin and also be furious that Alec's rights were trampled on.
Rewatched this tonight. The transition from "defense is throwing spaghetti at the wall" Emily to "THIS IS PROSECUTION FUCKERY" Emily is almost cinematic. It's quickly become my comfort rewatch
I'm only just watching these now and something everyone missed at the time was Seth admitted to it on the stand in the HG case. E
He said he had the green can of rounds from 1882 and he was matching them to the other bullets (visually from the chemical used to do the pattina) and boxing them up to go back to set with Sarah when she came to collect the extra rounds. He loaded them into the boxes from the same supplier, I forget the initials, which was also the same as the boxes HG's step father used because they both use the same supplier.
Another thing I picked up on, everyone is saying the gunpowder was chemically analysed, it wasn't it was looked at under a microscope. The chemical composition was never checked. My son is a gun doctor and he picked up on it straight away. Chemically they're mostly the same and you can't distinguished between manufacturers. Which means those who aren't experts have listened to them say chemically analysed and assumed the meaning.
@@helensmusings You're saying Seth admitted to bringing the live rounds to set just because he and Thell used the same boxes and suppliers? Hannah literally admitted that she brought Thell's box from *home*, and that that was the box she was pulling rounds from. I get that Seth seems like a shit supplier and all that but people trying to put a woman's death on him in both Hannah's trial and then again in this one is ridiculous. Thell's friend tried to put the blame on Seth to protect Hannah after her conviction and it ended up messing up this trial - if the Reeds and friends, as well as most of the commenters of this case, have spent years trying to put the blame on Seth and there's still no clear definitive proof of Seth causing this death then you need to just give up at this point. Unless you have actual evidence that Seth snuck into Thell Reed's home and put live bullets into the box that Hannah then brought to set and started pulling from to put into prop guns, then you can't keep arguing this.
I acknowledge the seriousness of this trial, but honesty that was the most entertaining thing ive watched in forever. Its 2am here in the UK and I can't switch it off. Emily, you add a level of expertise and hilarity to these live trials that is so unique. I applaude you!!!😂❤
UK Law Nerd here too! Don’t know how I’ll get to sleep after this! 😬
In UK too & had to rewatch end at 4am. Having gone to sleep, I woke up thinking that I must have dreamt it 🙀
Ditto!
Uk law nerd as well! Glad I didn’t sit this one out
Uk tooo ! Catching up this morning 😊 I have zero experience in law but loved watching the depp trial with Emily and now I’m addicted .
Big props to Erlinda for doing the right thing and stepping away from the case because she knew it was wrong 👏
Nah, just CYA
Bailing instead of answering for the issue publicly does not deserve props
@@sallycinnamon5370 Except she did do an interview on it and the testimony after she left clears her. She didn't know about the rounds in question. Kari Morrissey never disclosed it to her (Erlinda came to the case much later, so after the events took place) and when it was brought to her attention, she had an ethical obligation to move for a dismissal just like the defense was pushing for. So she agreed with the defense, the only hold out was Morrissey, so since Morrissey wouldn't do the ethical thing she quit the case. That is what lawyers are supposed to do. I don't get why you think Lawyers should do the unethical thing.
have we jyst discovered the new Camilla Vazques?
@@TheLastSane1 Yeah. I didn’t see that interview. I withdraw my objections
As much as I dislike Alec I’m happy that it’s dismissed under these circumstances. If a rich celebrity can’t get all the evidence by his legal team what chance do normal people have.
@@Kreich93 I wish it was a lesson learned, but keeps happening over and over. The problem is the prosecution immunity.
The sad thing is most other people are convicted because they dont have that million dollar defence and the ability to find this information and it can take decades to get to overturning the conviction.
@@harperr2180 and sometimes even if they have it, if the entire system is corrupt, they will keep doubling down. There are cases right now even proved by years of work from innocence project and the county refuses to eliminate the execution date. Is gross. For me any system lead by humans will never be perfect, because the power corrupts, but the judicial immunity makes it worst. They can pass decades doubling down and nobody will make them accountable. That is why this judge won my heart today. If you look at Hannah’s sentencing, is evident that this judge believed in the case, but the moment she saw the minimum appearance of impropriety, as should be, she got curious. She has all my respect.
Normal people- zero chance😢 but I totally get what you mean.
My stomach is in knots. Sad and relieved at the same time.
It’s also a bit weird to dislike someone you know nothing about.
I am so immensely grateful for televised trial coverage. Finally, those who abuse their power with by being corrupt or incompetent are being brought into the light for all to see. In just one month we've seen negligent police work from officers who drive while intoxicated (Reed), a corrupt, deceitful judge (Glanville) and today a bully prosecutor refuses to take responsibility for her treacherous behavior. It's very sobering, alarming and infuriating to consider how many innocent, railroaded people are sitting in jail because they couldn't afford mllion dollar attorneys. That's not justice.
100%
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Facts, absolute facts!
Louder for those in the back 👏
And we found out the same prosecutor and her cops took everything Seth Kinney said at face value when they shouldn't have. If that doesn't make everyone take a second look at their assertion that they know Hannah was the one to bring the live rounds onto set, I don't know what is.
She should have checked the rounds, but Kinney not knowing where his live rounds are at any given time, and when the dummies were picked up, tells me his "helpfulness " may have been him getting ahead of that bus. It tells me that Hannah's recklessness was mitigated by Kinney probably supplying live rounds, which no one in their right mind would suspect a prop house to supply.
i think this is the first judge in a televised trial that ive watched that actually followed the law and treated the prosecution and defense fairly
Agree.
Agree
The judge depp v heard was also fair
Too bad she wasn’t on the Karen Read trial!
I totally agree
I’m a paralegal, and attorneys like to blame the paralegal. Paralegals do not do anything without attorney instruction.
I'm a paralegal also. I have to run everything by my boss whether I think I know the answer or not. I am not a/the lawyer. It is their bar number on the line with all matters!
I’m in the middle of some litigation right now and I suspect my attorney is unfortunately “offloading” many of the tasks that he is actually supposed to be doing to his paralegal, and I am noticing many little mistakes, having to call, email and correct them often. I don’t blame the paralegal, I’m sure she’s overburdened and doing the best she can, but I’m starting to be irked by what I perceive to be my attorney shirking things off and having the paralegal do things that the lawyer should be :/
I'm a paralegal too, and I hate the blame the paralegal bullsh!t. Usually the responsibility of an attorney that dies not want to take responsibility for his/her actions
attorneys blame everyone. thats their job lol.
Another paralegal here - I echo what everyone in this chain has stated. “Not my bar number” is my favorite response to attorneys who try to blame their mess ups on paralegals lol.
This is exactly why we need cameras in ALL court rooms! How many people who can't afford a defense attorney (team) like this, has this happened to? I'm shooketh, & disappointed in our justice system.
@@JenBee1 I'm going to slightly disagree. But only slightly. Family court, cases involving that are minors, there are exceptions to all courts being broadcast.
But general, district, criminal ABSOLUTELY! And I'd argue felony court should be taken off the exception list unless lives are at stake, classified information is discussed, or national security is at risk. Even then, there cam be a delay for reactions or certian days not broadcast.
@@faeriefire99 I agree with you on the cases involving minors! For sure! ❤️
Morrissey asked Poppel these three questions (1:46:26): "if you 'buried' it, how did the defense attorneys know to cross-examine you on it yesterday?", "Do you have any idea when the defense attorneys learned about this ammunition?", "Do you know who they learned it from?"
She then said "Those are some important inquiries". Her focus, even during the hearing, was on figuring out how they got caught, not how all of this happened!
Yeah, it reminds me of the alex jones civil case where jones' lawyer sent their entire disk of files to the other party by mistake (the files they claimed didn't exist) and then Jones got grilled on the stand and he kept saying "well we obviously disclosed it since you are asking me about it now"
EDB, I came back to do the replay crew thing at 10 pm ET to watch again. Watching your mindset change as evidence comes forward is why I Stan. Proud to be a Law Nerd for six months. Thank you for everything you do.
Replay crew here too.. my thoughts exactly! So impressive and fun to watch.
I watched 75% earlier, but intermittently. So I’m catching the parts I missed earlier… 😊
I hated finding out before watching... but then enjoyed watching EDB see the writing on the wall.
Me too….had to come back (in UK) waking up at 4am wondering if I’d dreamt it🙀
@@pigtails98 i absolutely love EDB!! I was work/watching earlier. For replay I have it on 1.5 speed and I have to keep reminding myself that’s why she seems exceptionally quick witted tonight plus her reactions are so worth the partial re watch. Plus I have nothing better to do on a Friday night 🥤
good god. you know a case is blown up in flames when the lead prosecutor calls herself to the stand as a witness. what the actual hell.
Yeah. I mean I don’t watch a ton of cases, but this seemed a bit unprecedented.
I think she was doing it to save from being disbarred, but I don’t really know. Like she was trying to get on record it wasn’t willful.
Right? I was SHOOK!
@@mespb She was putting stuff on record for an appeal of the judge's decision. Pretty cool precedent, you aren't guilty of killing someone if you don't know where ammo came from.
@@lgblowz2794 Absolutely Insane. The judge should be removed. Just horrible.
@@lgblowz2794 I think she was trying to defend herself on the record.
“Is this an objection or is she just talking?” took me all the way out 🤣
“This is a terrible fucking idea……i mean I’m living, but for you, this is a terrible idea.” THIS SUMS UP MY WHOLE AFTERNOON ABSORBING THIS TRAIN WRECK.
This is the best judge I’ve EVER watched. She’s fair and unbiased. She treats both sides the same.
Who paid whom off??? The Hollywood nobody is in prison and the multi millionaire is free. Male privilege . 😂😂😂😂
She was in search of the truth!!!!!
OF COURSE, this is the one day I'm not in court! 300 years in the Read trial, 2 days of Baldwin; I'm gone one day and the tea comes out a garden hose!!
Same same😂
RIGHT??
I got to catch the beginning but had to replay quickly the rest of it and try to not read any of the comment sections!! 👍🏼
Yep, same here 😂
Same!! I'm catching up with *allll* the f*ckery now. Just wow.
This judge was outstanding
It went from “Carrie is killing it” to rut row real quick
Rut Roh is correct
Made me laugh!! 😅 Thanks
😂😂😂💀 the way your comment made me crack up, is indescribable 😭
indeed
LOL. I'm watching it now and Emily just said "Carrie is in control. She's got it. That's good lawyering". LOL.
When the prosecutor has to take the stand they're not trying to save the case they're trying to save their career. My grandfather was a defense attorney for three decades and said he's never even heard of this happening before.
I suspect she may face discipline from the State Bar, and she realized that, and was trying to get her side of it on the record. If nothing else, she certainly hasn't done her career any good.
@@20thcenturyrelic Maybe. I have a feeling that she might actually welcome an official investigation. Really, I think this speaks to some major animosity between her and the Sheriffs department.
I just love the genuine transition of emotions that EDB passes through as she covers the trials. Shows how objective her coverage of the trials is. Thank you EDB!
Emily, I broke down watching the end of this. What a day to witness the justice system play out as it should. I'm about to turn 43, and this was the final prod that I needed to go to law school. You gave me my purpose. Cheers to you and everything you give to the world ❤
Good luck!!! The world can always use good attorneys to protect the rights of its citizens!
The year I turned 40, Emily covered Depp v. Heard and that was my signal to apply to law school. I’m now in my 2nd year and can’t recommend it enough. Self-assess yourself along the way with hypos and Quimbee and all the prep questions, do re-readings of the cases and update your briefs and you’ll sail! You can never over-prepare for the final!!!
YOU GO!❤❤
Congrats ! A good day for justice.
Nobody cares that you “broke down” Emily doesn’t care either. Grow a pair.
Marvelous explanation by Judge Sommer, Fair, Just and Honest analysis of all elements by Judge Sommer.
Erlinda told NBC News that she tried to persuade Kari to voluntarily dismiss the case over the Brady violation, then walked when she wouldn’t.
THAT'S a good prosecutor. Following the law, full stop, no regard for the damage it may do to their case/conviction record. Just knowing that they (not necessarily they themselves but the state as an institution) screwed up royally, and, consistent with the duty of candor to the court, dismissing the case themselves as a result.
And didn't inform the judge or the defense of it.
Oh, she DID NOT blame the paralegal.... oh, hayell no. As a paralegal myself, this is one of the most annoying things, when an attorney blames a paralegal for a mistake. That's lawyer 101... never blame your paralegal for your screwups.
Well, this will be an EPIC case study for every law school in the land! That prosecutor isn’t missing the point but rather she’s trying to minimize the fiasco.
This will go down in history -for sure.
@@123marlanamars Yup. Morrissey will make case law in the worst way possible.
They’ll be citing State v. Baldwin for ages.
That was a quick trip to New Mexico!! Never thought it would turn out like this. WOW. Thank You EDB for coverage. Looking forward to Coffee and Cursey words on Tuesday.
That was like a layover in the New Mexico airport on our way back to Boston for more jury updates.
EBD Air.... Fly the Fuckery Skies.
Between this and the Karen Reed case, I’ve got so many questions about law enforcement! Honestly I’m just stunned by all this shit! 😳
Hattrick of prosecutorial/investigator misconduct with the Baldwin case, the Karen Read case, and the Yung Thug case. Must be a bad month to be a prosecutor in a high profile case.
SOOOO MANY questions
Don't forget the level of incompetence that the investigators displayed in the Murdaugh trial as well.
These trials have eviscerated my faith in law enforcement.
And what happened in the YSL rico case!!! Judge had an experte meeting with a sworn witness WITHOUT anyone from the defense team!!! Defense found out, asked judge about it and judge was like who told you? Who told you?
Att got thrown in jail!!! Everyone in position of power, everywhere! In every industry!
And what happened in the YSL rico case!!! Judge had an experte meeting with a sworn witness WITHOUT anyone from the defense team!!! Defense found out, asked judge about it and judge was like who told you? Who told you?
Att got thrown in jail!!! Everyone in position of power, everywhere! In every industry!
Wow! Outstanding job by Judge Sommer.
Agreed. She forever earned my respect when she sentenced Hannah and proved herself as staunch supporter of the law again today.
This was the right decision. I’m replay crewing with my 80 yo grandparents on Saturday. I was getting super chatty about this with my grandma when I woke up this morning and then she joined me to replay then grandpa joined and now I’m here explaining the law nerd community to them. Thanks EDB for your coverage 💜💜
That is awesome ‼️
Welcome grandma and grandpa! 💜
I'm actually so happy for Mr. Baldwin. I have followed this case since day one, and being in the Art Production business myself I have always been a strong believer of his innocence in this matter and that he should not be charged for it as an actor and it was questionable to do it even as a producer. Congratulations to you Mr. Baldwin. I'm happy for you and your family.
I'm sorry to Halyna and her family about how this was fumbled but the result I think would have been the same. It's upsetting they won't find closure though from this.
Exactly. I feel the same way.
Same here - thanks!
Then you don't understand what the case is about. He is charged with creating unnecessary and potentially lethal risks on set - which is exactly what he did if you pay attention. Watch the armourer (Brian Carpenter)'s testimony from the Hannah Gutierrez trial, and it is clear as day that Baldwin is guilty.
I totally agree. I don’t think he should have been charged at all.
I despise Alec Baldwin and it’s not political either. But this was the right decision. You shouldn’t watch true crime if your top priority isn’t a fair trial.
Agree!
There was no real reason to dismiss with prejudice.
I don't see why they couldn't call a mistrial and re-hear the trial later and sanction the prosecution. The family of the victim must be livid prosecution spiked the ball like this.
@@Playtechybecause it was exculpatory evidence and prosecution misconduct. Your bias is obvious. Truly the JUDGE understands the LAW more than you.
His lack of remorse is what infuriates me. Decides to do a reality tv show just before this trial! Karma will get him eventually!
@@Playtechythe sanction IS the dismissal with prejudice.
After the trial begins and jeopardy attache, if the prosecution causes a mistrial by their conduct then they don’t get to try again. Otherwise, if they were crafty, they could purposefully cause a mistrial if it was going well and take a second chance.
Erlinda Johnson was like Brady violation? I’m out. Like this was so wild. Discussing this in like you learn this in law school: you turn over everything doesn’t matter if you think it’s irrelevant.
Right?!?! Where did she go????
She was not aware of this evidence and that it was not turned over.
She talked to Kari over lunch and felt that they had an ethical obligation to agree to the dismissal of this case. Kari disagreed, so Erlinda resigned as she did not want to continue to trample on the defendant's rights.
@@somethinginthenothing
Her interview tonight or last night was amazing. We need more prosecutors that have that level of integrity.
@@karenl9060 she quit, her ethics were more important, as it should be. She is a great example for prosecutors.
In law and crime I heard she quit because she didn’t want this part to be televised.
Why? We don’t know. Maybe more details will be in as days go by. People have theories so that may entice her to make a statement.
Replay crew!!!! OMG!!!! Wow!!! Spicy!!! I can’t believe this is happening!
SAME. MIND BLOWN!
I miss one day and the whole case gets dismissed! The smirk on her face is unreal! This is just 🍌…and oh Carrie! 🤦♀️
My “special lady friend” told me two hours ago the case was dismissed and here I am!
Can't help but be fascinated that she doesn't seem to realize just how bad it looks to make the argument "I can't be held accountable for this fuckup because it was someone else down the line who didn't do what they were supposed to" when her entire case against Baldwin is based on the argument that he can't be absolved of his own negligence just because someone else down the line didn't do what they were supposed to.
I believe Baldwin should have been found guilty of at least something here, but I can't help but balk that they tanked it this bad, and that Kari is going with that line of reasoning for why they should give her a pass on not doing what she was supposed to on THIS case of all cases.
Why do you think Baldwin should've been found guilty? In my opinion, actors should be able to rely on experts
Because safety is an individual responsibility. Precautions are always the way to go with dangerous tools, especially guns.
Coming back to watch this much later because WHAT A DAY… it needs to be savored
I love that she is so thorough to 100% sure. I also love that she was so bold. Excellent job, your honor!
Wow what a difference as compared to Karen
This judge takes no prisoners
The comparison is insane. You’re telling me there’s a Brady violation and the court actually dismisses the case? It’s like the Karen Read court is in its own universe
EXACTLY. This judge is not on Team Prosecution, unlike Massachusetts and Karen Read's trial.
@@bwaygal4905c'mon now 😆
I would so love "Bought Bev" to address this question!
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Holy mother of pearl!!! Wow! I'm stunned how this has unfolded. I didn't see this coming. The judge is pissed!!!!!!! Perfect ending and judgment.
Once I heard what happened I knew I needed to watch it all and gradually see you loose your mind. This did not disappoint.
SAME😅😅😅 I started screaming to my husband “I need to watch EDB!” And he told me to watch the news… he doesn’t get it🤣🤣
“This case is going down in flames, this is beyond Kesha yelling timber.” 😂😂😂😂😂
ICONIC!!!
Timestamp, please 😅
I yelled 😂😂😂 Emily casually dropping lines that i immediately adopt into my vocabulary is one of the many reasons I watch .
@@Maryberry874 timestamp, please 🙏🏻
Time stamp!?
I’m sorry, I have no clue on the time stamp!
I used to work in film ( Canada) and know a few armourers, even one that worked with Thell in the past. No one I have spoken to about this horrible case believes that the actor with the gun in his hand should have even been on trial. Fundamentally this case is about trying to get the ‘big’ name. No one who investigated or prosecuted really understood how a set works. No matter why this case was dismissed this was a fair ruling. Anyone who ‘hates’ an actor they don’t know cannot form an objective opinion. And there are tons of people who feel this way. I am confusion on that.
Ive been working in the tv/film for 10-11 years now and the most frustrating part of HGR’s trial was that the prosecution had no idea how a set works. Hannah needed a competent attorney that understood just how awful and unsafe Rust was, it would’ve helped beat back Kari’s bullshit. I have loathed Kari since the outset and I’m glad she ultimately disintegrated in the end.
This is like blaming the waitstaff for the chef poisoning the food.
Agree 💯
I don’t think as an actor he should have been charged, as a producer there were lax safety standards and they had other unsafe incidents, that would have been more appropriate. No one thinks when handed a gun on set, in theater that it’s is loaded and clearly it may not have been obvious when checked by the actors
I’ve never seen a prosecutor take the stand in their own trial. In many jurisdictions that wouldn’t even be allowed. I’ve never seen a co-prosecutor resign in the middle of a trial. I’ve seen defence counsel resign but never a prosecutor.
Too bad Karen Read didn't get hers thrown out as well. With all the corruption that occurred!
Karen needed a judge like this one.
@@angt563 Bev is too bias. She needs to go back to law school.
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If it goes back to trial it most likely will get dismissed, police deleting and hiding information is much worse than this.
What corruption
The Judge is the star 🌟 of the day! Thank Goodness that we saw a Judge doing the right thing and following the law so precisely! 👏🏼👏🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 rectified
The sad thing about this is that without these caliber lawyers they would have gotten away with it. If you don’t have as much money as Baldwin, you might/will not get a fair trial
Wow. Wow. Wow. That was 👌. Thanks EDB for your commentary and analysis. I started watching this hours behind. Its 5:05am in Kenya and once I got hooked yesterday, I just went on. Could not stop. Could also zoom zoom for myself. It was literally live court magic. Wow. Okay, let me catch some sleep or something. Wow
Hancock annoyed me in Hannah's trial, and i feel like i now understand why.
She is lazy and incompetent. I hope that Hancock is disciplined and has to answer for this incompetence forever
Same!
It was interesting watching her try to evade Spiro's questions. I think she didn't understand what he was getting at, but she knew it wasn't good for her.
Idk. I watched Seth Kenney's police interview here on UA-cam, and what struck me was how eager he was to throw Gutierrez-Reed under the bus. I thought that he was trying to direct the detective away from his role in possibly supplying live rounds to the set. I'm wondering if possibly the sheriff's department is now going to look at him more closely. I don't think he has an immunity agreement. From the photos I saw, his shop is a mess, and I believe he admitted in testimony in the G-R trial that he doesn't keep an inventory of ammunition.
@@20thcenturyrelic The problem is that he got so much notice and so much time has passed they may never be able to mount a case
@@20thcenturyrelic it would be nice if new team of investigators picked up pro bono to comb through all the cases filed -including cases filed outside of the Rust trial. Call in the ones who left the set (what was their reason for leaving?) (could they have planted a live round to prove their point for their reasons on leaving?) Look through all footage. It could be there is clear evidence on who is as fault and we find these trials was a complete waste of taxpayer money.
I watched this twice (TWICE!) just to see EDB's facial expression journey as the day's events unfolded. This was gold!
You, and only you, are the one that I turn to for excellent explanation that I, as a layperson, can fully understand. Finally I get what “with prejudice” means. I love your honest reaction… it was how I realized just how important this ruling,,, this deception, was. I’m overwhelmed with caring for my 91yo Veteran husband with Alzheimer’s and 2 14 mo old pups my sons gave me just before cancer took my oldest at 52yo so I am no longer able to watch your amazing podcast as I used to quite sometime before that definitive Depp case. Thank you for years of not only great legalese but the entertainment value of your incredible personality. I found you way before the incredulous nearly over a few fortnight’s time and your fun beautiful makeover (which I’ve envied I wasn’t younger to emulate) Your dedication to family First has matched my life. That you are having fun most of the time makes me feel happy. How you’ve acquired talented crew and advisors for production.. win, win.
3 Q: 1. Your husband was part of your crew… has he left his career to solely work with you (if so, how’s that working out)?
2. What’s your family up to today (I’m sorry but only recall you speaking of your son and baseball, I think?).
3. Who would you cast as you in the movie of the week?
Thank you for retaining your true self, staying humble and always respecting others and not allowing or condoning listeners to act on anger or incite poor behavior when they get over involved in some of your cases. Somehow, you effortlessly navigate between the people such as myself and more educated Law Nerds such as yourself or in the process of their education. I’m sorry for the length of this, but I probably won’t be commenting for sometime.. God bless you and all of your loyal followers. ~ K
You shouting "wtf am I watching" when Alec was whispering in his wife's ear and her caressing his neck/face was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣 I laughed soo hard😆
Thank you EDB! Today we turned my son into a Law Nerd. Also my husband got home from work and said ok tell
Me about trial day!!
My son too. He said “I get it now mom”.
THAT is an ethical judge...and Erlinda Johnson is a stand up prosecutor. If only Mass, Fulton County, and so many others were as ethical as these 2 people...and I do not like Baldwin.
The judge is a gem
All the breaks made me realise that my Catholic childhood was training me for this day. Sitting, waiting, and being able to take solace in knowing that, eventually, there would be an end 😂
Emily, I just re-watched your coverage of Day 3 Alec Baldwin for the 3rd time!!!! I am such a law nerd!! You are great. It was better than a movie! Love your reactions. You are fun and a great educator on trial law. Not just for us law nerds , but every criminal lawyer will be talking about this. Thank you sooooo much. You do a great service and you're funny as heck!!!!
Lol. This has become one of my "comfort watches"! It's weirdly relaxing...
Wow, what a day. I hope that someone excerpts the parts starting when Kari Morrissey takes the stand and ... the end. Emily's reactions were priceless.
EMILY!!!! I was watching ALL DAY at work but then had to go to a birthday dinner. Catching up on the last 3 hours now. HOLY SHIT!!! WHAT A DAY! Thank you for your commentary and all that you do, you are incredible!!
Thanks EDB for the coverage! Erlinda resigning during the day is the thing that sticks with me the most. I wonder if it started with the defense's filing the previous night and by midday Erlinda realized she couldn't salvage the case. I wouldn't want to work with Morrissey if I flew in an expert from Italy, put together a strong case and got ready to present it in front of a jury only to learn that I was about to get stomped by a potential Brady violation. I don't think we'll ever know for certain what Erlinda knew during the day but I do find it exceedingly interesting that she decided to gtfo during Seth Kenney's testimony, and that what happened right after that testimony was that Corporal Hancock implicated Morrissey in the Brady issue and set off the ultimate chain of events that led to the full telenovella we witnessed in primetime. I wonder if Erlinda knew what was about to happen at that point, did the cost-benefit analysis, and slammed the eject button before she got caught in the courtroom circus that was set to unfold.
I am absolutely dying to see the sidebar transcript for just that sidebar alone, I need to know exactly what Erlinda said to Judge Sommers when telling her she was resigning from the case, especially since it seems that Judge Sommers just let her do it!
My guess is that Keri thought it wasn't even important enough to share with her co-council. Keri could be right - that it has nothing to do with Rust - but nobody closely investigated what he brought in.
@@pigtails98 With the interview we now have from Erlinda, it looks like you were probably right. She claims to have not known anything about this evidence until the rest of the public heard about it on Thursday afternoon, so evidently Morrissey completely disregarded it to the point of not even caring to share it with her co-counsel. If Erlinda didn't know about it, I wonder if it was even noted anywhere in the Prosecution notes.
Well said
She realized what the activist prosecutor..who STRONGLY agrees with Alec's political views, was doing to get the case thrown out.
@@bennypit4411there is no way that the prosecutor tried to get this thrown out. This blows up her entire career. She might agree with him politically, but an AHs and AH. She wanted to get him convicted, as there was a lot of precedence to never convict him in the first place.
This ruling directly protects citizens from being railroaded to appease citizens.
Goodness, I came home from work, poured a glass of Red and have been rewarded handsomely!
Ok. Happy that the only sane thing was done here, but as a teacher with the rest of my summer ahead of me, I’m not gonna lie, I was looking forward to more daily streams. 😂😂😂
Same! Like the excitement is real, but now I gotta find another trial until EDB does another 🥴 I’ll watch day 3 with multiple YTers first 🤣
This was the best TV I have ever seen! Thanks so much Emily!
I was about to call it quits on this trial because I thought it was a rehashing of Hannah’s but OH BOY was I wrong!
I’m not a Baldwin fan but MAN, his face/reaction got me 🥺🙏🏼
Can't believe I decided not to bother watching this at the time, because I was running a couple of days behind and then suddenly the trial was dismissed. This is absolute dynamite! My favourite part so far is when the prosecutor loses her mind, calls herself as a witness without representation and launches into a narrative testimony.
I am in awe.
Hancock: “I asked him to find a way to mail the bullets to me.” Hancock when they arrive: “How was I to know they were relavent?”
Didn’t even look at them. Just tossed them in an evidence locker under another number unconnected to the case.
I wasn’t impressed with her in the HG trial. Hope there is at least some disciplinary action.
@@sallycinnamon5370 Disciplinary action shouldn't stop with her, either. From "the police want this from you" to "the prosecutor wants this from you" to "we should file it under a different case number" is pretty bizarre. The prosecutor made clear she wouldn't have disclosed anyway, but this action ensures that even reviewing the case files wouldn't reveal the existence of this evidence, and that it wouldn't be tested against the Rust evidence. Why?
@@BratLyagushkaespecially because it probably wouldn’t have changed much about the trial anyway. Maybe would have helped their idea it could have been outside Baldwin’s control etc, but there were going to be some cell phone conversations coming out, his interviews and statements, plenty to work with. And they tanked it just because they were full of themselves. How many times has this law & order team done something similar and gotten away with it because there wasn’t another defense lawyer who knew about the evidence? So arrogant to do it on this high profile of a case. The family deserved better.
@@laurawendt8471 Yeah, I agree it probably wouldn't have ended up changing things. The perspective of the individual jurors on the "check it yourself" perspective vs. the "trust the experts" perspective would likely have determined conviction, acquittal, or hung jury.
Here are some of the possibilities I've thought about since.
1) This is immediately after a conviction (HGR). Perhaps someone reacted like "New evidence now? Last thing we need! Bury it!"
2) As you mention, it could have implied a possible additional intervening cause (did Kenney supply the rounds?), which could have been used to argue for reduced culpability, either to the jury or to the judge at sentencing.
3) Kenney was astonishingly (suspiciously?) close to the investigation throughout, even essentially interviewing witnesses for them (the text messages to Teske on behalf of the police???). Also, they'd publicly cleared him, asserting that HGR was the only possible source. If he was close enough to someone that they let him so close to the investigation, perhaps someone decided evidence that could reopen the Kenney question should be buried. That might imply that Morrissey was genuinely out of the loop on "this would result in a different undisclosed case number", if it was a cozy relationship between police and Kenney that triggered it. But of course Morrissey continues to defend the actions, so she's not innocent, whether she knew about the other case number at the time or not...
I didn’t expect it to be done this quickly, but always thankful for Emily’s coverage of cases!
I liked Kari Morrissey until today. How disgusting - she and those cops? Holy hell. How corrupt is America these days?
Same. Same, same, SAME! Shame on you ma’am, shame👏🏻on👏🏻you!
wouldn't of believed this case could be so crooked unless I got to see the prosecutor and cops in action
@@ItsMissShorty same here too. I give up on believing in people.
I don't know that I believe she's corrupt. I think she royally messed up and the case absolutely got thrown out properly. I think she assumed the rounds were irrelevant and didn't do what she should have done and go look at them herself.
And I imagine this happens more than we’d like. It just doesn’t get revealed.
I think I’ve re-watched this day about four times already… wild.
I'm on my second watch lol
Lead investigator and prosecution!! How do these people get these positions!! Incompetent is understatement
Rewatching Hancock’s questions. I’m shocked all over again
That was like pulling teeth
Yes! It would be amazing to rewatch knowing where the lies, evasion, and 'plausabile deniability' is in play
She was smirking and making faces at Hannah like a 14 year old 🤮
Her answers had me screaming. No direct yes or no’s, just dodging questions and being super manipulative!
@@rachelsavard851I rewatched the first time Poppel was on the day before, and wow the way she was dodging and he was trying to get her there, now it just looks like she was withholding on the stand. We were all saying oh she is choosing her words carefully, she only wants to talk about her specific job/field, she is a good tech witness. NOW… 😮 it’s there
I saw the news and had to come back here to see your thoughts EDB 🥰
@@jacquelineg3987 me too!
Me too!!!
Omgosh it would be great if this would’ve happened with Karen Read…how much evidence was mishandled with that case?!?!!
You’d need a righteous judge first.
@@fitflik4784 exactly
@@fitflik4784it was so refreshing to see a Judge so involved. From wearing gloves, referring to her own note taking , and asking the right questions which led to exposing the prosecutor and lead officer basically colluded to withhold evidence. This case was insane!!!
@@Andy-qk4io It was interesting watching the judge go from being deferential to the prosecutor to realizing that there had been serious prosecutorial misconduct. I have to agree with EDB that the judge was mad as hell about it. In a very judicial and professional way.
That was the craziest thing I have ever seen. Justice prevailed in the end.
Ive watched parts of this of several times now from different lawyers. It's so interesting to watch opinions change as the hearing goes on.
It's one of the things about covering court in real time....it's real time...
@@TheEmilyDBaker really nothing like live court! So appreciate your coverage
Best episode of a lawyer on UA-cam EVER
If only Bev had half the integrity of Judge Sommer
So TRUE.
Agree 💯
Right????
AMEN
I-fell-down-the-rabbit-hole.....all of this is totally surrea!l
A Gazillion thanks to you Emily for the amazing coverage of this trial 💜
Lots of love to all the Law Nerds ♥️
What a day to watch amazing experts on the law on youTube
Instead of regular news
Well Done Law Nerds around the world!!)
Wow!!! What a day! Thank you EDB for keeping us informed!
It’s a shame that Judge Beverly Cannone of MA doesn’t have the INTEGRITY and cahones that THIS judge does!!
You can delegate procedure, you can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility.
Emily I do not know what I would do with you during trials. You make them entertaining and educational. Thank you
This was epic & you made it 10x better!!! I’ve been yelling since this started that the trial was bogus & they needed to get rid of it.😃
I thought when Keri took the stand she would at least ask Erlinda to act as her council... then BAM... she quit earlier that day and we had no idea.
My faith in the justice system keeps taking hits. From Canton to New Mexico. Wow
There is no Justice, it’s all a game.
At least this judge followed the law
Don't forget Georgia with the YSL case. Woo boy from sea to shining sea
What does it have to do with the system? There was some shady shit being pulled by the prosecution here.
Erlinda gives me hope! There are still some that will stand up for what’s right it seems!
….. ok, I missed all the tea and drama!!! I was at work!
MUST catch up.
@@Certari me too!
Absolutely loooooved EDB’s commentary for this day in court! I don’t think I have ever 😂 and 🤯 so much during a trial day before!!! Bless you Emily, lol! Thank you for doing all this for us! Have a relaxing weekend! Can’t wait for the next trial! 💜
Emily, you make watching trials informative but also SO entertaining! 😂 Thanks for doing what you do.
I watched Runkle calling this first and he was calling it as 'house on fire' and Prosecutor in trouble and heading for Dismissal meanwhile at the exact same points Emily is calling it for the prosecutor and how calm she is and the defence is pulling fcukery. So interesting it shows the different way a prosecutor and a defence lawyer calls the same information and how it totally affects the way we see it. But it was Runkle calling what was happening so early. Then when Emily gets there and goes code red you just KNOW sh$t is about to go down. Honestly this is better than any TV show.
I was watching Runkle and you can tell he knew early on shit was about to hit the fan.
I heard about this. Had to come and listen to your commentary. Thank you!
I watched this from start to finish. HOLY SHIT. This was a roller coaster and an emotional ride. Great coverage EDB ❤
Watching this again today Emily because I love your reactions.😅
Emily's coverage of this trial does not disappoint. Her reactions and explanation of court procedure is greatly appreciated. Plus your hair looks fabulous as always. ty
Wow just wow … shocking form the prosecution and investigators …. Well done judge 👩⚖️ thankyou again Emily and crew for all amazing coverage 🎉
I, too, appreciated Alex Baldwin's Saturday Night Live stints! Best ever!
This prosecutor? She's something else I'll say.
But the best part?
Emily of course!!!
Alec
Yes he was funny on SNL. I can be unbiased there. But he’s a terrible person and a google search will point out all the horrible things he’s done over the last 30 years. Him calling his wife hours after Helena Died (after HE sh0t her) to tell her to come to New Mexico for a fun visit or else they’d lose their air fare is the most disturbing thing he’s done. He had zero remorse for what he did and zero empathy for her suffering and her families trauma.
@@kateashby3066he’s an awful person, but I do think he had remorse. He was in shock. Alec is known for being an AH, but I don’t think we can say he didn’t have remorse. There’s other examples where he does show remorse.
Morrissey still doesn't get the point and that's scary for any future cases she tries.
Her day job is a criminal defense attorney.
I don’t know if she’ll continue as a prosecutor. She’s way too much of a liability.
@Avarren for me, that's what makes this failure to disclose all the more shocking.
I literally cannot believe the state of Law Enforcement and courts in this country. Un effing believable.
They don't expect to be held accountable. I'm sure they're all outraged.
Not surprised with the behavior of the prosecutor. You should see how some families are treated that don't have enough money for good lawyers.
Same
Honestly people are always trying to gain an advantage through any means. Its every where. Just one example in sports it takes the form of performance enhancing drugs.
@@315NYWhich means virtually all defendants.
Love being a law nerd, and being able to feel really sad for the victims, to really dislike Alec Baldwin and also be furious that Alec's rights were trampled on.
All of this.
I love how Poppell’s attitude improved significantly when questioned by the judge 😂
Amazing Emily❗️i wouldn’t have been anywhere else. You raised the bar for live court streaming ❗️❗️❗️