Talking Dance Music with Daniel Wang // Maze 'Twilight' (Electronic Beats TV) The Original Version!
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Important Information: This is a re-upload of the original episode including all music!!!
Electronic Beats TV welcomes back Disco aficionado Daniel Wang for part three of his ‘Talking Dance Music series’. This time, Wang dives deep into the track “Twilight” by Maze featuring Frankie Beverly. The track featured as a B-Side on the 1985 12“ release ‘Too many Games’ via Capitol Records.
The band Maze was founded by Frankie Beverly in the 1970’s out of Philadelphia, once known as Raw Soul before relocating to San Francisco and renaming themselves. After meeting with the iconic Marvin Gaye and accompanying him on tour they became an immediate success. Succeeding this, Maze went on to record numerous albums of their signature funk-infused, soulful sound as well as many other hit singles, here we look at one of Daniel’s beloved b-side’s from the outfit.
Of course, it wouldn't be a Daniel Wang video if you didn’t get an ornate and detailed background about the song’s chords, notes and history. Tune in to find out more about this seminal slice of 80’s Disco.
I would absolutely welcome regular lectures by Daniel Wang! What a gifted speaker. Interesting, personal, factual, emotional, philosophical, and practical. I just love these videos to bits.
You know its going to be a good day when you see a new video from Daniel Wang.
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@@danny-taenzer Love you man. 🤘
This series is fantastic
"By Daylight" is defintely a fine bootleg of the original "Twilight" by Maze, which I've been playing since the mid 1980s. I still have two copies. So, thank you for letting me know about Demonstration's "By Daylight"...
The track was also featured in GTA and you could just ride in the Cali sun listening to it on the radio! 🥰
This man easily blends in with the interior.
For those of us who grew listening to Frankie Beverley and Maze as teens, "Twilight" was a BIG SURPRISE...
...'cause during the mid/late 70s, Frankie Beverley and Maze was our afternoon chill out music to smoke a spliff, drink white wine (or drink tea)...
...so Maze was moreso part of our "quiet storm" smooth soul and Jazz Fusion background music when we weren't clubbing.
Just imagine (10 years later) being in a club or warehouse at 2:00am in the mid 80s, running up to the DJ booth in the midst of the dancing... 😄 ...and finding out this deep, atmospheric jam rocking the floor was by the same group we associated with mellow afternoons in our teens!
We loved the song's distinctive fusion between the emerging (proto-) House and the popular Electro (Breakbeat) sound.
Another BIG surprise during the 80s was the song:
"Was Dog A Donut"
by Cat Stevens
😉 ...especially for those of us who associated Cat Stevens with playing hokey from middle school, chillin' and listening... 😆...rather than dancing at 4 in the morning.
Just like some of the (unexpected) artists creating Funk, Philly, Disco, and R&B during the 70s...
...there was alot of great artists contributing to club/warehouse sounds in the 1980s!😁👍🏾👊🏾
😍 I love this long comment! Yes yes !! 🤗
@@danny-taenzer Thank you for bearing with my wordy explanation/elaboration on musical times and experiences Danny.
I don't know how to get across the full impact and experience of this video and the song without lengthy babbling in hopes someone would "get it".
Pardon my enthusiasm... 😂
😊 I TOTALLY get it!
Daniel Wang is a very engaging and articulate speaker. Loved the Dream 2 Science / Ben Cenac breakdown. This one hasn't disappointed either. Love both records. The original Twilight is one of my favourite records of the 1980s.
Hi Daniel, we were neighbours about 10 years ago in Berlin. I love these videos, thanks for sharing your art and knowledge. And also thanks for being such a nice neighbour.
OMG!! Hi John 🤗 oh, this is funny... and unexpected! Where are you now? 😁
@@danny-taenzer I moved from there to Kreuzberg, and lived there until this December. Now I live in Valencia. If you ever come and play here, I'll make sure I'll be there!
Love Maze. Went to see them many times at Hammersmith in 1985 I think with my first love. Great vibes on Twilight. Thanks for this.
Yeah me to. Once only. Mecca for soul heads.
I'm from the UK and this was a big tune down here
Didn’t know Daniel Wang before, but I love him now. Wonderful video. Just life-affirming joy about music that I wouldn’t normally connect with. Thank you!
Twilight was a massive track in the 80s. Used to hear it at a teenage disco night at Clouds in Preston. Just hearing it takes me back there, when I was just 13. A classic.
Give this guy a whole documentary series on The BBC or something. Really good presenter.
BBC? Nope.
He stays with us 😉
@@ElectronicBeatsTV long may it continue.
😍 Thank you for this kind comment..!
twilight is a massive classic to me. love it. before i let go is also incredible, but more obvious pop soul/funk.
Maze were also an amazing live band, they used to sell out multiple dates at Hammersmith back then, it was the gig to go to on the soul funk scene. When the first chords of Twilight kicked in the place went insane! A great tune to pick Daniel.
Well, I was about to look for something smart to say but... It will only be THANK YOU Daniel !
UK soul boy classic
Remember first hearing it on one of the Dimitri from Paris' Playboy compilations in the early 2000s. Classy beat!
The dancing make these vids absolute bliss
This was brilliant Daniel. Please make this a regular weekly show!
Love this video. Daniel is so eloquent and able to explain these concepts so well.
Very interesting, I never noticed the 9th chord thing, connecting Jazz/Blues and Detroit Techno. Some things seems more clear to me now ( and I will study my chords a bit more :). Thanks for that !
:-) 🤗
Oh What did I click on?! Daniel just gets into it from the get go, like, what is he doing, Phil Asher?, Oh great artist I thought, early track from him, never heard before, great groove, how well developed Phil sound was from the start of his career.. Oh wait, Danny pulling out another record, wow! Maze, love them! and it just continues, goes on into Goldie sampling,the same tune, which betw, I think there is also a downtempo version off If I remember correctly?
Great stuff on music production and theory, what a great education, looking like your favourite dj uncle in loafers, not boring at all. very inspiring!!
used to dj and run clubs in late 80s in uk. subscribed right away. really enjoyed this
If Daniel Wang wants to know where the prototype of this track can be found then go to the end of the Maze album, " We Are One " where you will find the track Metropolis. It is 0:43 long but Definitely the experiment that led to Twilight.
😍💕 I did NOT know that, and I am so happy that you posted this comment 🤗 I am going to try to dig that bit up (UA-cam? Discogs?) RIGHT NOW!! 😍🎹🎶🎹🎵🎵
Wow!! It's like a 40-second sketch of Frankie B. "messing around on the 101 sequencer"!! I'd never have known... amazing! 😁 Link here:
ua-cam.com/video/sEiB2lFRITo/v-deo.html
Great lecture! I'm thoroughly enjoying listening to Daniel speak. The music choices are spot-on and I especially appreciate the balance between theory and practice. That's great work!
That was amazing, wonderful to see the background behind a track from someone so passionate about music. He would be a great teacher
Loved watching this. What a lovely person Daniel is too.
Thank you, Daniel! I have many of your records. Cheers from Buenos Aires
Y yo digo.. "¡Hola! Gracias Ariel!" 😍 🤗 🍦🍨🍰
I so love your videos....and I feel your passion for music.
😍 Thank you sincerely Gavin...
What a nice guy, Daniel is! I could listen to him the whole day! fantastic!
There are other Daniel Videos here on our channel
nobody can be bad listening to Frankie Beverly
All seminally important records ! Great little piece of house history Daniel ! thanks for this video !
Barclays Bank use 'By Daylight' as one of their hold music tracks.
Daniel is amazing. Wow.
I really like both tunes (Maze especially... Great chilled groove... I'd heard their stuff but not that one) ah goldie. I knew it sounded slightly familiar ❤
i love to see the videos of this guy! he just love music!!!
More to come
fabulous!
Wow! Tell me just you ‘re going to do thousands more of this
Not thousands but a few
Bought Twilight when it came out 😊
Me too,so melodic
Top content. Thank you Mr Wang.
bravo for the reupload EB, and once again, bravo Danny for the analysis with panache! 🤖❤
This is wonderful and so informative. Thank you.
I see it differently I am from the UK and I remember that song and we saw it as Soul + + the Electronic 80s sound 🎶 Zapp had there own sound.. Remember Herbie Hancok had that electronic sound at that time and Cameo.. So many more
loved this!
History lessons with Mr. Wang❤
Always learning something new from this channel. I've never heard of Daniel before but enjoyed his passion for how music is created.
More to come and there are two other episodes already available too.
Great lecture! 👍👍
its elegance is in its simplicity
Love those vids!
Welcome back original version! ❤
Good work getting the original back online!
15:11 a wonderful example of why Daniel is.
These are class.
great presentation, thank you
I have both too. Rip Phlash
Amazing video. Had the Phil Asher version for a few years in my collection and much prefer it to the original.
Wonderful!
Really enjoying this content, and would love to see more!
More to come and there are two other episodes already.
Great that this is back
thank you!
Funny, when listening to 'The Probe, The Strobe EP' it's like being transported back to 'the twilight' era (in my mind anyhow!) Think on this, Maze are/were considered to be at the top of their game as musicians when joy and pain hit. Quite a bold move to drop all the live instrumentation and release a minimal synth based track, must of upset a few of their diehard muso fans (at the time)
😅 I wish that when i made "Probe/Strobe" back in the 1990s, i could have had the technical knowledge and skills to make it really FUNKY! (It was basically a 16-track MIDI sequence from Korg O1W sent thru my Mackie mixer.) 🎹♩♩🎧 Nonetheless.. thank you... "raw and minimal", haha!
Awesome!
love u dani
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wow , amazing
Hey Danny, Its Max from Dr Sound days :) glad to see you, keep it going !
Max!!! Privjet! ☺ This is a surprise.. i hope you're doing well! Are you still in NYC? (We could chat somewhere else)
funny I never played that side of the Phil Asher record. In Toronto the other side "Hope" was a bit of a hit among the house crowd, mainly because the Patti Jo original was somewhat known among the rare groove scene, which overlapped with the house music scene. I don't think anyone played the other track, despite Maze being quite popular for the songs mentioned, especially Before I Let Go, which always got the damcefloor to cheer. Joy and Pain was probably popular due to Rob Base sampling it.
Interesting! Different city, different reaction to the same record! 🤔🎵 Just to clarify: in fact, when we recorded this video, i started off by playing both sides of the Phil Asher record together with the original by Patti Jo (from "Disco Gold" LP) and mentioning the source of the vocal samples (Ntozake Shange, "For Colored Girls")! You can see those LPs in my hands in the first two minutes.. but it all got too long, so we cut it down to only "Twilight" 😅
This song sounded amazing on the Assoons Richard Long system.😁👊🏾
For those of us who grew listening to Frankie Beverley and Maze as teens, "Twilight" was a BIG SURPRISE...
...'cause during the mid/late 70s, Frankie Beverley and Maze was our afternoon chill out music to smoke a spliff, drink white wine (or drink tea)...
...so Maze was moreso part of our "quiet storm" smooth soul and Jazz Fusion background music when we weren't clubbing.
Just imagine (10 years later) being in a club or warehouse at 2:00am in the mid 80s, running up to the DJ booth in the midst of the dancing... 😄 ...and finding out this deep, atmospheric jam rocking the floor was by the same group we associated with mellow afternoons in our teens!
Personally I loved the song's distinctive fusion between the emerging (proto-) House and the popular Electro (Breakbeat) sound.
Another BIG surprise during the 80s was the song:
"Was Dog A Donut"
by Cat Stevens
😉 ...especially for those of us who associated Cat Stevens with playing hokey from middle school, chillin' and listening... 😆...rather than dancing at 4 in the morning.
Just like some of the (unexpected) artists creating Funk, Philly, Disco, and R&B during the 70s...
...there was alot of great artists contributing to club/warehouse sounds in the 1980s!😁👍🏾👊🏾
@@GordonBeckles ahhh another twilight zoner.
@@mitchwinthrop You KNOW it Fellow Music Lover!
The Assoons turned Toronto out in a way that no other club in Toronto had. 😁👊🏾
Sounds like Maze did the whole track with a Yamaha Midi system, consisting of a DX-7, TX-816, QX-1 and RX-11.
Good work Daniel.
I feel like I know you from somewhere... Hmmmm 🤔 🎹🎹🎹 🔊
Hmmm im Trippin or i see it before ???!!! He Manson the Records Month Ago 😉🙄🙄😎😎
Wow! Guessing Rob Playford sampled this tune for 'Sensual' on Goldie's Timeless Album here at 3:06. I would've never known, thought he came up wit himself. I don't know if others have sampled the beginning or if it's been sampled from 'Sensual' but it was also Dillinja who might've sampled this for the tune 'Deep Deadly Subs'. That initial pad is v similar.
Okay, he mentions this later in the video. I'm kinda slow I know 😩
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The original used a 303 for the bassline and DX7 for everything else
Yes!!! How were we able to get gem back?
Don‘t ask, better share 😉
@@ElectronicBeatsTV Must've made them an offer they couldn't refuse 👀
Twilight was a massive tune for me in the early to mid 80s in North London which at the time we were blessed with other gems like Jazz Carnival by Azymuth, Encore by Cheryl Lynn and Dancing in Outer Space by Atmosfear.
Thanks for the upload!
Global Communication Remix of Jazz Carnival is in my alltime top 10
@@ElectronicBeatsTV Which version? The original still gives me the shivers today...
ua-cam.com/video/Ev9NATSFaeI/v-deo.html
@@ElectronicBeatsTV Tbh it's not for me as it's far too distant from what made the track so special.
Just saying...
A matter of taste
Interested to hear the 1st record on 45
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a-ha!!!
Hi Daniel, why is there a withe bathroom heater just on the left of the turntable ?
@lostinsotchi - Haha!! That cute little thing? Maybe you're joking here 😁 It's a tiny monitor speaker, KRK VXT4.. i'm not even sure if it is connected here, but we used it so that i could hear my little Roland synth while setting up the video shoot, because the main audio was going through the silver Yamaha receiver directly to the video camera 📺📽
There was a cover of 'Joy and Pain' by Donna Allen, that reached the UK Top 10 in '89. I actually preferred it to the original, which only made it to #57!
Same in the UK
Bet that Peggy Gou would do such a Nice, deep and devoted video about music...
(Do us a favor.. can we remove this comment? Trying to avoid that negative energy, thank you Jim!) 😉
Daniel has only discovered Maze! Fuck I’m going to jump off a cliff
What is the name of those big monitors?
Tannoys
@@ElectronicBeatsTV
Yes, but what model?
@@jareknowak8712 looks like the DMT10. Amazing speakers! (Love the discman on it by the way)
@@frerikdejong 🤗 YES!! Tannoy DMT 10, extremely flat from about 90Hz (to 18k Hz)... hehee. Thanks eBay Germany 😉 i liked the Panasonic Discman because it had a "lock" mechanism which prevented skipping! Very stable playback.. (Tannoy connoisseurs are friends automatically) 😁🔊🔊
@@frerikdejong
Thank You Frerik!
So basically Phil rip'd the entire track? Im sorry but that stuff pisses me off... im over here 20years in, writing/producing/engineering (almost) all original. Samplings cool, but c,mon
I genuinely appreciate your opinion, so .. replying here: i think you have to "put it in context". Frankly, my own first 2 or 3 vinyl releases were mostly just samples of bits of old disco records too... (although even back then, i started to make tracks "from scratch" by playing all the basslines and chords myself).. BUT in the early 1990s, i think a lot of us didn't imagine that we were making some big international DJ career or "stealing from the past". All that beautiful old soul/ RnB/ disco from the 1970-80s was like a lost continent, and only a few hundred of us DJs in New York, London and Chicago seemed to be trying to "revive" it. Obviously there wasn't Instagram, or a big commercial DJ market. "Making tracks" using old disco samples and cheap synthesizers and then pressing a vinyl record was the only way to make a special DJ tool which could be played in a club. (We had no MP3s or CDJs in 1992!)
Personally i felt happy if i sold 600 or 800 copies, imagining that "fellow DJs who appreciated the old school sound" were the ones who bought it. Same for Phil Asher, probably he sold less than 1000 copies of his version of Twilight. And he didn't merely "bootleg" it, his version contains some extra keyboard riffs and rhythm breaks .. he sort of gave it a new twist, or made his own (unauthorized unofficial) remix of Twilight, so to say.
Anyhow, after a few years (toward 1996-97), both Phil and I worked mostly on our own original music and avoided sampling. Better and cheaper technology made that possible... in year 2000, with a Korg D8, i could finally have 8 multi-tracks which i could mix down, with 2 built-in effects. What an improvement that was!
And in 2023, we now live in the ultimate music hell, where MILLIONS of people without a chord or even a 5-note melody in their head can nonetheless use software with infinite multitracks to make and sell "music". 😐