The Web has lost its Soul - LOVEWEB
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2023
- Terrified at the sight of Cybermare being hypnotised by UA-cam shorts, Manon shows her how the modern internet could learn a thing or two from the old web.
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Give them lots of love!!They did an awesome job!
Yeah great work to everyone who contributed to this!
Good that You no longer used those Ai voices and supported small voice actors/actresses
I’ll check on’em ^w^ (btw i still haz manon art on DeviousDelt hehehew , this is the last plug of my art , i’d stop at 2 before i really show off my narcissistic side-)
They are great!
Great work! Especially new Manon's voice, it's just amazing! Only one small issue, Cybermare's voice should be little quieter for balanced sound. Thanks for your work, love your vids)
Neocities is mad underrated. It's the only place where the web 1.0 charm still exist that's easy to navigate.
Neos is amazing!! I'm on there all the time.
agreed, currently using it myself
Neocities still exists?
@@tiobridge841 When the hell did I imply it didn't.
@@ringkunmori no no, I just thought it died a long time ago
manon's voice actor did such a good job i didn't even notice it wasn't text to speech anymore for a good minute or so. fits like a puzzle piece very well.
cybermare's is a bit more clear but still fits her perfectly. sounds exactly like the edgy fifteen year old we all know she kins
and i'm excited to see this help further the web revival movement. it feels good to be able to ACTUALLY surf the web now
hi i voiced manon, thank you so much! that's great to hear
@@Kenny_Kenbee you did good! you're awesome!
Yeah you did good😊
So incredibly proud to have worked on this! Loveweb has been a favorite of mine for a long time, and the fact I get to input on it is genuinely crazy! Vera did an incredible job as Cybermare and I look forward to working with her! Shadok blew it out of the water as usual with the animation and storytelling. You all are in for a treat during this premiere!
Hello 👋:D (Nice job!) Loveweb is now my favorite! 😁
Very awesome
It hasn’t premiered yet but I’m sure you did a great job! Will update once I’ve seen the video lol
Sorry you got super sick this week
lmao its all cool@@ShockedTaiLung
Kenny and vera did amazing, they really capture the character’s vibe while adding a little something new
Yo completely unrelated but I ADORE your pfp :D
@@lunarlynx5972ME TOO!!! invader zim AND bisexual?!?!?!?!? two of the coolest things EVER!!!!
@@Ikigai_Composes ik, i am so cool and special for being a bisexual zim kinnie lmao
@@Ikigai_Composes ratsism
@@Okarabouzouklis ratsism?
I felt this way too. For a while, I've just been cycling UA-cam Reddit on my phone. I've been trying to avoid Tiktok because of that "zombie" feeling. Like Cybermare, I also realized there is so much astroturfing, ai generated articles, and low effort content on social media and it makes me frustrated.
I wanted to make a website, but it's quite daunting. I can do the programming, but I struggle to make some interesting content. I wonder what I could blog about...
Also, I like the interaction part at the end of this episode of LoveWeb. Instead of the usual "Like and Subscribe" (which kinda insenuates staying on the Core Web), there is a call-to-action to go try doing old web type stuff. It reminds me of old children's shows (The UpsideDown Show). Love it!
Cybermare made a really strong point about nostalgia bait, just about every example of a fresh and unique website shown was very millennial centric with its 90s to Y2K look. When I'm not on core web I spend a lot of time on wikis, fan sites that were primarily about information about a piece of pop culture have been completely replaced by them. Fandom could be said to be core web, but I peruse many fan owned ones too. How could you even compete against them? A glaring omission was old school web hangouts like forums being endangered thanks to Discord, social media etc. A lot of valuable content and interesting discussions are preserved in forums, DIscord isn't searchable by a search engine nor does it preserve content like a forum does.
@@protocetid Fandom feels like a diet core-web site. It's managed to buy its way into owning a virtual monopoly over fan-wikis, all the while making its end user experience insufferable (especially on mobile, where you can't spend 5 seconds without getting spammed with a dozen ads that drain your battery by 10 to 30%).
I get the need for ad-revenue, especially as such a massive platform, but the least you could do is make your site, y'know, useable. Same goes for a lot of cooking websites.
After watching this, both Kenny and Vera absolutely killed it with the voice acting
Although i will be honest, Cybermares voice doesnt sound the same, but i still love it regardless
Looking forward to more episodes!!! 🎉
yeah i was worried it would feel completely different switching to VAs, but they did a really good job on it :3
@@Sleepy_Cattt same, glad it went out well
Ywa it swunds diffewently... It isnt bawd but i need tw get used to it :^
niko pfp
i feel called out by the "14 year olds who make up most of our audience" part
Me too. How did they know that 14 year Olds make up most of their audience. It's almost like youtube tells them in the statistics tab or something
@@salderrsame it’s so weird that they know that they must be doing something shady to know it’s primarily 14 year olds
@@salderr I'm surprised that more people aren't lying about their age
@@kingdededelicious well the minimum age is 13 so you just put 13
I thought I would miss the digitalness of their voices, but not at all! The VAs have killed it! Big props.
The only thing I miss about the old voices are the vocaloid quality that it gave me, which fit with the internet theme the series had.
This is the only project I was actively observing on CastingCall and I just knew Kenny was gonna voice Manon after hearing it, I could tell he really understood Manon and what they were supposed to sound like, I haven't heard Vera yet so I think I'll keep it a surprise for myself, I'm sure it'll be just as fitting.
thats so nice omg 😭tysm!
Really loving the voice for Cybermare, it fits her disaffected and cynical nature perfectly. Frankly I think it's much better than the AI Maud voice, and that alone made me adjust to it without trouble.
i really really love this.
i want this piece of media on youtube to stay alive. love your work.
If you want old web back, people must want the old web. The internet nowadays is the "coreweb". Lots of people don't even know what it was before. I don't know what it was before. If you want this to be back, it needs to provide some value. But it's hard to do with the old internet because it's unpredictable. Or atleast that's my best guess. Basically the periferies must provide something that core web can't. Dunno what that would be though.
Personally, periphery websites are more personal and don't have the vibe of big tech companies profiting off user-generated content. I admire how people go through the huge effort of learning to make a website so that they can self-express or provide information or have something cool to share with others.
It's not going to happen, because means of cultivating what people like is in hands of biggest groups, which want their mainstream sites being the first choice, being wanted the most and nothing else. Companies going to do anything to kill competitors in the crib, so they could keep pushing their own thing. Because its a way of making money.
maybe we should first start off with what value does the coreweb have. i think the biggest reason why people flock to those big websites, is convenience.
people want to carve out a space and share who they are and what they do or make. a youtube, a twitter, a facebook, or even a google lets you express a tiny sliver of that for the low cost of already owning a computer. this is not the only convenience either. its easier to find new stuff when it just shows up on your feed. its easier to communicate when theres a standardized messaging service built into these applications. its easier to plug in your email address and screen name and that makes your account.
once that infrastructure was built, people flocked to them and we ended up where we are now.
the old web revival movement does have value in and of itself tho.
it is harder to make a website, but why not? learning coding is fun, its a useful skill, and the world is only getting more digital.
even with the most basic understanding of html you can make something that expresses your interests or what you want to express than a tweet or a header can provide.
it is also harder to find new websites, or to communicate if everyone is in different places. but its also fun to click around on websites to see where it takes you, its fun to see who cared enough to put a link to another website that that person liked. the surprise me/roulette option is another really cool way to discover sites out there.
and with communication, theres tons of ways to communicate now. we're not only limited to email, IMing, or forum DMing now, although these all rule in their own way.
i dont think the value of old web stuff is to replace what the core web has stamped all over the place. they simply have had too much money and time sunk into them that they're here to stay. but that doesn't mean old web can't exist or shouldn't be championed.
we should have options to how to participate in the web. its like finding a place to call home. there's houses, apartments, townhomes, duplexes, studios, boathouses, etc. everyone needs a place to call home and everyone theoretically should be able to choose or at least change what place they call home.
the coreweb is full of apartments, places where tons of people call home if they don't want a personal space. commerce, conversation, and advertising are easiest here, but it leaves some space to be desired.
the old web is full of houses and boathouses. more work certainly, like upkeep and cost, but its also bigger, more customizable. its also more private, so you can explore and create to your heart's content.
just like in the real world, if there's a lack of diversity in homes, things can get pretty bad. the insane amount of houses in the us makes for horrible infrastructure and resource depletion. and the focus on houses as the only way to live makes apartment living and other forms of housing harder to be a part of, so everyone strives to get a home. but then it only continues the problem of only having houses.
the world wide web is filled with apartments and not enough homes, which is funny because theoretically the web should be incredibly vast. it should be able to accomodate so many homes compared to the real world. but we've grown up in these apartments owned by these landlords that seek to profit off of us and advertise us nonsense, limiting the space for people to be people and put them into smaller places.
neither personal websites or social media are inherently bad ideas, they both have positives and negatives. but if all the sites are the same, we lose out on the diversity and specialness that multiple websites provide.
Thank you. I like this series a lot. Cybermare's new voice is pretty cool. Oh yes, the website is great also! Probably the best part of all of this!
Started learning HTML because of this^^
Update: still learning!! My dad is helping me with CSS stuff rn and I think this video has actually introduced me to a whole new interest. Also I love you neocities aaaggahh
Corporatization has not only ruined the internet but also other things like Windows. Remember when Windows had windows? That seemed to have been too complicated for even the corporate behind Windows itself and so they replaced the windows of Windows with plain white walls with things pinned on them. They might as well rename their OS to Walls. Remember how UA-camrs used to be able to customize their whole user page? All that's left is a banner and the pfp. Easy and charmless.
I'd say that it won't hurt the internet if fell back to it's original roots, although I think it shouldn't go full 90s. That would make the programming language PHP useless. There are some modern things I like about websites, such as circular objects and elements flying into screens, but we shouldn't make entire sites out of that, for heaven's sake. I hate it when they do that and their page is just one big vector graphics animation. I think keeping most of the 90s charm and human touch, combining it with a few modern elements would do the trick.
This video was a great reminder of why the internet doesn't feel the same anymore and why it's boring now.
It did however remind me of something else though. It reminded me that internet has not just been ruined by one thing, but multiple things. One other big thing that destroys the internet, for me at least, are the constant, omnipresent discussions about politics.
For the last FUCKING time, I don't want to become a communist!
Great video regardless. Very educational.
(If there was a "return to human comments" movement, I'd be a part of it.)
Hit it right there with the last part. The rampant liberalism of this movement does throw me off. While I do like and support the main objective, we shouldn't bring all the unnecessary bullshit over.
@@Cristopherdreamer to nitpick, but liberalism is free market capitalism, not communism
The new voices are really nice!! tbh manon's old voice was kinda annoying but just tolerable enough
usually voice changes dont end up better then originals but considering the old ones were Uberduck-like TTS's
this one is a welcome change :3 you guys can put way more expressiveness into the characters now!
This is amazings!!! I love Manon and Cybermare’s new voices, I know I don’t talk much in comment sections, but I just wanted to tell u that you all did great on this! :D
Nice episode. True massage, good voice acting, VERY cute animation. I'm Happy to see what comes next!
I'm so excited, knowing how shadok videos usually are, this is going to be something crazy! The excitement is real
i wonder if cybermare and manon would have different voice actors each loveweb episode, as if they were using audio visualizers to change them.
they will not, (unless shadok gets rid of us lmao) very cool idea tho!
@@Kenny_Kenbee ah, alright
Omg!! I'm so glad I stumbled onto this. I've been kinda despairing over the state of the net in recent years, having grown up during the "wild west" era of the Internet in the 2000s. Thank you for making more people aware of these resources!
I personally didnt get to experience the early days of the internet so im really thankful that this series documents them this well. Amazing work as always, and great job new voice actors and everyone involved in this project.
I HEART THE VOICE ACTING!! ive always loved these but ive had a hard time listening to the ai voices, the voice actors did a wonderful job!
I'm part of some web revival communities and it was so surprising and fun to see such a well animated little short explaining them!
Infinity scroll broke the internet. With pages you don't get the constant temptation of checking everything out.
It really is nice seeing you talk about this!! Btw if you have a neocities I'd love to see it! :D more people need to get back into web 1.0 vibe stuff!
shadok* UA-cam won't let me edit the comment for some reason
Links to shadok's and loveweb's neocites are in the description. Hope that helps!
OH GOD EDOLON PFP
@@creeperdude3480 I never got into Homestuck, IIRC it was an experimental web comic and a great example of how unique peripheral web can be. Really should've been mentioned.
Horray, they're back!
Well, this is new. Goodbye, MLP A.I. voices. Hello, official VAs!
Love this video! I'm glad there's still a small community of creative people who do enjoy the old web as much as I do. One thing I miss alongside the old web is shopping/going through a bunch of random CD games to pop in and play
I love the voice acting, it gives the characters so much personality❤
I've Never seen this channel before but I belong here
as a 25 year old who's felt extremely disenfranchised with the modern web, THANK YOU!! i could neither place why it felt off and what i could do to change that. i can't believe the core web has become so big that it made me forget that the internet is an infinite space. i had a blast looking through a bunch of archived geocities pages just today and i felt that same joy and spark of exploring the kinds of websites i would've as a kid at the library. every website is like a little gift box waiting to be opened, you never know what you'll see!! even with tumblr, it used to illicit that same kind of curiosity with the old freedom of HTML customization but a lot of those pages have been broken by the modern design trying to shove everyone into one big mobile friendly template, it's really tragic. this video really inspired me to try to go out and make my own website, thank you for the resources!
Old good new bad blah blah blah
I can’t wait to hear the new non-AI voices!
Good job to the VA's for this one!
Also damn Cybermare's Speech about Egalitarianism is very Thought-provoking
This is such a refreshing video that i can relate to a bunch on how the internet has been kinda being handled nowadays, its amazing how much reliant on the internet we've become nowadays but also how very little of people know that it can be used in more ways than just watching short form video on a phone or tweeting how much they hate [ insert popular topic / specific kind of audience ]. It sucks how little manual personalization we can do on many sites besides the stuff we share or hope to be shown based on algorithims, not that they're inherently bad but definitely don't work very well considering how much its just used to profit off you being addicted to scrolling. Really love the character dynamics between this silly cat and modern pony.
wow this actually is recommended to me at the perfect time! I'm definitely making a website for myself. This'll be my first time actually learning to do something like this- so html knowledge from 0% to hopefully master levels soooon! Can't wait to share it with friends and try n start really personalizing the internet again !!!
We're headed (or actually, are already in) dark times.
Risking to lose the most important thing of all: our soul
3:27 YOOO ITS MELON KING!!! Let's gooooo, top tier personal website.
Around 2018-20 I had this sudden realization that all I ever did was hop around the big social media sites, and I suddenly longed for all those quirky distinct website I used to frequent. I put in a good deal of effort to return to some old message boards and forums, to bookmark some favorite blogs and so on. I miss the pre-2010s internet, I have to admit.
Kenny and Vera did a great job as the new voices. Kinda miss the robotic voices from the ai voices tho. Obviously since that’s off the table, maybe just add some filters on them like flanger or bit crush
I like how now that i'm deep in the homestuck sauce i recognize the aspect of void staff that cybermare has propped in the corner
Thank you so much for showing me neocities! I love it there!
lmao the fact that the blog of noelle from deltarune is in this vid is hilarious
"probably a firefox extension that blocks youtube shorts"
you know what that's a great idea I should look that up and grab it
We ❤ The new VA's of Loveweb.
I mean, all ships become a ship of Thesus when u replace all the things from Canon.
Damn, deep
It's a little daunting to hear real people voicing these characters, but I'm sure I'll get used to it after a while.
This is amazing, this channel, it's so cute, it's so free. Free to be cute cat or cute pony, the delivery is pure quality and informative. Thank you for going for this style.
The voice actors were amazing, great job on this episode.
Omg the new voices are so cool and cute i love them!!
its funny how i act like Cybermare but i think like Manon
it’s a shame that the most recent video got more views than this series
this video is still charming and well made as all of the episodes are
Good-ass episode, loved the new voices and Cybermare genuinely had me laughing with how some of the lines were delivered. Great job!
Ah yes, the Ship of Theseus: a hypothetical pairing of Theodora and Shmeseus from the famous but short lived original web series Plutarch's Kids.
You had to double check I made that up, didn't you.
Dame CyberMare getting deep
i had a feeling you'd cover neocities at one point, this video was so good!! ! ! >w
6:26 nice little easter egg/fun fact:
This blog post was a secret found in Spamton Sweetstakes a while ago as a lore hint for future chapters of deltarune.
Gasp, they upgraded their voice modules to have VA add-ons!
Can't Wait!
Edit: HOLY SH*T the voices are so good! so glad to be part of the primere with everyone!
Oh my god it’s great to have you back and especially with non-ai voices!
great work on this one!! real excited for more new neocities pages & projects to explore!
In the darkest moment, when we needed them most, they returned
This was amazing!! Glad to hear the new VAs! Manon's VA fits them like a glove and the same goes with Cybermare!
...sooo somewhat off topic, but I've been building my own site on Neocities, and while it's been a work in progress for a while, I've got some ideas. :P Can't wait to properly launch it!
manon uses they/them!
@@Bulba413 whoops. I fixed it. :P
Oh my god the VAs are so good!!!!
oh hell yea one hell of an awesome topic
also these new voices embody the characters so well (especially with manon)
I found this video while working on my Neocities!! I recently deactivated and moved on from main social media, and I'm only using UA-cam, Discord, and Neocities. It's been soooo refreshing. I love that this video exists, so I can show people why I've decided to get off main social media :3
Also seeing the Deltarune blog thing jumpscared me because my website is 100% a copy of that because I'm a Noelle introject. LOL
I Genuinely just don't use social media outside of UA-cam and I think it's great.
I'm currently 17. I haven't had the experience of the early Web, but it looks absolutely great. Just bring able to make something and put it out there is something that should not be lost. I want to make websites that take the good parts of modern, but with so much more soul. I want to learn and make HTML tutorials. We are NOT appreciating the full extents of the Internet and it makes me mad!
I really love the new voice actors for manon an cybermare!
Whenever I remind myself how bad youtube shorts are, I leave them imidiately.
DUDE I LOVE THEIR NEW VOICES OMFGGGGGGGGG!!!
THESE NEW VOICES FEEL SO REAL (bc it izzz)
Okay so two things
1. Thank you, I’ve really wanted to find a way to get away from the core web (had no idea it was called that) but didn’t know how
2. Was that the Spamton sweepstakes ARG
I love the voice actors! !!!! I liked Cybermare sounding like a robot but this is better. And Manon sounds the same but less glitchy.
oh look they have real voices now :D
This has motivated me! I have a website for all my creative projects that was on a big website builder, but now I'm gonna move to Neocities. Thanks LOVEWEB!
Be aware that neocities has some restrictions
man I miss the old internet.. I cant one single day without complaining about modern web design in some way. and now we have youtube blocking users for using adblockers when nearly 90% of users who use adblockers only installed one specifically BECAUSE of youtube and their overly aggressive advertising that interrupts videos too much with too many unskippable ads. there is no argument that can be made that any update to any website is being done to make it better. they only make the user experience worse so they can profit off us more, because in the end, we're the product.
god I hate capitalism.
looks like somebody needs to take a nap
Really like the new voices! When the announcement came out that they were gonna change I was afraid they would lose their charm (as weird as it sounds to find robotic voices charming) but, to my surprise, they're spot on with the characters!
thank you so much!
@@Kenny_Kenbee Amazing job! :D
Is this just an advertisement for neocities lol :3
this rocks so fucking much ! ! the performances by the voice actors rockedddddddddddddddddd, good job everyone gyahhhhhhhhhh
loveweb is everything!!! so many years ive spent on the internet and this is my favorite video series ive ever found here!!
awesome voice actors, they sound perfect. please keep them around, Manon is even cuter
I'm basically an Veteran of UA-cam. I flipping remember When ads weren't on UA-cam, their was a dislike button for people's BS, lies and messed stuff. There was no content farm, no weird shitty “Family UA-camrs nor no Jake Paul.
I must say, the new voice actors did great, hope to see more!
The new voices are great!
Another fantastic video! This is an idea/concept that I can get behind, and it's unfortunate how the Core Web ended up the way that it did, and that most are fine with it thanks to the convenience of it.
Also, Monon & Cybermare's VAs did great work here. They both sound really good, and the performance felt like they did in earlier episodes except more expressive and human. Can't wait for more!
amazing as always, new voices absolutely killed it. thank u loveweb team
Let's go! New loveweb video!
Thank you again for a wonderful video, idk how to explain it but this video explains how much stuff haves changed, and that people should know about it and how not to join the hell hole that modern net does to people
great, now I have a sudden interest in making a website and picking up coding again. Thanks loveweb!!! Love the new voices too
I dunno if resurrecting the eye-gouging nature of Web 1.0 is necessarily what people were thinking when they said they 'miss the halcion days of the internet'. That's not exactly the way to build a community; you need chatrooms and forums for that.
The internet changing is because of corpos and conglomeration and all that other jazz, but it's also because people changed. We find a lot of things from the early days 'cringe' now. You can undo as many systems as you want, change as much of the consumption you have as you wish, but... ultimately you can't change CULTURE like that. Trying to hang on to the culture that came with it ignores that things are very different now and people's values have changed both on and off-line. You can't ever recapture a culture, because it was reliant on everything else going on in the world at that exact moment in time.
literally only been about 40 seconds, this is already too relatable 💀
waaa!!! the new voice actors did such a good job!!!!
Oh this is really neat! This is the first vid of yours ive seen :) i have had a Neocities for about a year now and I love it! Its so fun, I love writing essays/blogs about what matters to me, showing off my drawings, and making fun engagement features. And theres SOOOOO MANY awesome websites that look so cool and are so fun to explore! Even if youre on the fence thinking this wont be the political movement you want it to be, or the social media killer with any teeth, PLEASE DO THIS FOR YOU!! Do this because its a fun hobby and a bunch of great skills regarding self expression that will turn around a bad day! You meet people that you feel a real connection with at the distance level of your choosing, and you get to be every facet of your authentic self without limitations. Its about making a space that fits you exactly, instead of bending over backwards to fit into the current trendy online town square. You can do as much or as little as you want, but I really hope if you're reading this you give it a try. Even just to explore a bunch of cool webpages.
"though things may look very dark
your dream is not in vain
for when do you find the rainbow?
only after rain"
Ahhhh i love the voices!! They feel much more natural and cute!!
Companies get money as long as you are using their apps, so its their desire to keep you on it as long as possible in whatever means necessary
awesome. i love the new voices they sound really fitting for the characters
I love the new voices!
Im very very excited for this!