I'm already locked in to my Moza setup, but I love to see other companies being competitive in the space. Buying a 12NM wheel for $550 is not bad at all.
@@daddyfoosa7712 With a rigid desk, its totally doable, i used my Moza R12 on my desk for a few weeks before getting a profile rig with minimal flex and screen bounce. Although that was a solid oak table with beefy metal legs, would not want to use it on an IKEA table.
I love all the information you have on every video. I just wish the sim racing reviewer would review products by solely comparing them to the products that are in that same price range.
i disagree, i thought that too, but when you actually get in in your hands and see it in person , its actually remarkably high quality (paddles excluded). I'd choose a C5 over whatever the heck Turtle Beach released recently.
Things are really cooking rn. I'm suprised Cammus doesn't add fins to the rotor for semi-active cooling. Looking at the button box as well, I wouldn't be suprised if they sell a formula/GT/Prototype rim sometime soon. Can already see the new Acelith models as well.
I’m so glad I haven’t got my order yet from moza for that r3 bundle in 3 months. Because this isn’t changing my mind, unless it won’t come until the end of April then I have to go to fanatec
I love the competition on this section, im looking, ether for a CSL DD Boost Kit or Moza R9 but this offering seems interesting, i have to take a look.
Do you know that you can get the "boost kit" which is literally just a 180w 7.5a charger with a male 4pin ATX connector, for like 30-40$? Fanatec has some QC issues though. Plastic wheel adapters and connectors made out of cheese.
Despite of some minor flaws C12 may have, I think it's the best mid range badget option for beginners and for already sim racers. Especially if you get C12 with LC100 pedals, I believe you'll have a great combo for a long time sim racing. As I said before, the blue thumb encoders were made to be used in a certain way. Rotate them with the thumbs and push them with the index fingers. Otherwise you can use some wheel spacers and gain a bit of space in order to push them with your thumbs properly.
Hey, When you said "stretching your budget just a little bit more", what product(s) were you referring to? I want the best detail I can get in the 12NM FF area
Currently i have a logitech g920 and im looking to upgrade. I want to either get the fantec 8nm bundle or save up a bit and get the cammus c12 which one would be more worth it ?
Both are great options, if you want to be involved with Fanatec Ecosystem, go for Fanatec, but if you want a more simplistic system without all that QR, Boost kit, load cell stuff then get the Cammus, take note that Fanatec is having some problems with Order Delivery, Logistics and RMA Service right now.
Cammus C12 wheel only is $550 while the new T598 from Thrustmaster is $500 for wheel and pedals. Sure the TM is only 5NM but with axial drive and overshoot it's probably just as realistic if not more so.
Great review, i wasn't aware of this wheel. I'm looking to upgrade from a Fanatec CSL elite and was aiming for a Moza 5.5nm DD with a KS wheel. Cammus was off the books until now, because their first model it's just way too ugly. But a 12nm compact DD that can fit any cockpit with two sticks and a bunch of buttons? Dude, i'm in. What would you guys recommend?
I do not have much experience with sim racing wheels outside of my now 2.5 year old t300 gt, so i don't know what a high end wheel feels like, so, at least for me, that would be an interesting comparison between the 2. I know the c12 will probably destroy the t300 rs gt in almost every metric, but i am interested in seeing just by how much will it win
Even the Cammus C5 destroys the T300 in every way. In fact, there is nothing non DD above it. BUT with an inmportant flaw: Everything is Logitech & Thrustmaster compatible (games have specific presets...all that jazz). Cammus is a newcomer and its compatibility list is much shorter, doesn't matter if it's their 15Nm base or C5/C12 wheels (5 and 12Nm respectively), compatibility is exactly the same among all their 3 products.
@@albertmas3752 well, there is one metric as a newcomer canmus has not proven itself in, ive seen the t300 work after 5 or even 6 years of use on the internet, by the way, im guessing canmus wheels will be reliable, but we will have to see just how reliable those wheels will be.
@@nomoneygamer Nor have proven it Moza's R12/R9/R5/R3. But you wouldn't say that about Moza. Thrustmaster has the least reliable wheel ever existed (the T248) that most don't last even 1 year. And we're talking about something relatively new, old thrustmaster wheels were horrible. No new product can prove reliability because (obviously) time. But both C5/C12 share a common trait: they have 0 moving parts. The motor turns directly the weel and no moving parts means no parts that may break. They also are famous for their build quality, what they may lack in fancy stuff (as in more expensive wheels) they have excess in quality build. In fact the C5 shifter is the only part than as for today has a few numbers of units broken and to be true, it is inexplicable why they chose such a cheap plastic part in an amazingly made piece of hardware.
Yeeeaaahhh I'll keep my R12 all day long Moza customer service is TOP NOTCH it puts Fanatec Customer service to absolute shame and it's made really well I broke my USB port and didn't Even have to flat out ask for parts they just sent them unasked even I was so shocked they didn't fight me on getting it fixed Moza rocks I'll probably be a Moza customer for life after that experience so now I got my main Moza R12 Rig in the basement and a R5 rig in my bedroom using a Brook Ras1ution 2 it's awesome just waiting for true console support and they are always innovative improving there products it's awesome Moza will be one of the sim racing leaders In The near future just you watch
UUUUUUGGG!! I really like this companies wheels, but HATE, HATE, HATE their horrible shipping practices. They add around $100 to any wheel sell, and that destroys the value. I want this one, like really WANT it, but I need to see them fix their shipping "tax" before I jump on it. As always, fantastic review Oscar...maybe you could perhaps get a shipping deal out of 'em....I know, I know, wishful thinking 🤣
@@OCRacingAll you really need to do to see this is try ordering one from their site and put United States into the shipping box....then be prepared for the shell shock, lol. It really does suck that they do this.
just bought my first wheel. a Logitech MOMO. it's great for it's age (made in 2006!). would love a review on the MOMO, it's really a good wheel for the price.
@@notamorningdragon once you try some other wheels you’ll see what we mean. The momo is maybe 1Nm of torque if that, and dead pedals. Thats why it’s more for a child.
Don't mind the other dude, it's a expensive hobby. I've started with a used Logitech DFGT, a G29 borrowed from a friend, T300 that died recently and I'm looking forward to a Direct Drive now. You are missing details and rotation 900° or above, I've got some track records from the DFGT that I still can beat with better equipment, being fast is not about the equipment. Take your time, look for FOV and FFB clipping, that will help.
Nothing is over if they can't make'em. Availability to the general public instead of UA-camrs matters. It's like the Fanatec CSL and Moza R3 are unicorns too.
Bro stop making videos that are gonna make me not like my g923 anymore, something that strong would rip my weak ass arms off because the g is already hard to control for me.
I have a Moza R9 (9 Nm, more than 4 times the FFB of the G923), and man, it really makes me sweat!....I can't imagine how people can use wheels with 15+ Nm
Cammus finally made a respectable wheelbase/steering wheel, although they will need a lot more to dethrone Simagic, who has been the final nail in the coffin for Fanatec/Moza.
Agreed, if you're in the Simagic ecosystem there would be no reason to look at this - the C12 is more geared towards people upgrading to direct-drive wheels for the first time.
MOZA is the best quality/performance/value offering out there, right now.🔥The only downside can be the quite basic pedals, but you could always mix n match with thrustmaster T-LCM or better.
Errr no. The internal components are low quality compared to competition at similar price. Example moza KS vs simagic GT Neo wheel. Everything from buttons, dials, rigidity, software, etc is better with the GT Neo.
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I'm already locked in to my Moza setup, but I love to see other companies being competitive in the space. Buying a 12NM wheel for $550 is not bad at all.
Agreed, more competition just makes sim racing bigger and better for everyone - good times to be alive rn
@@OCRacingYeah right. Such good times we're living. Yes.
with fake servo and plastic case idk where the cost spent make it sell at $550
Sim racing equipment is like cars....if you're a Ford guy, no matter what Chevy comes out with, you'll by a Ford.....great review
these feels are probably best option for desk users since these take so little space when motor is in the wheel itself
Agreed! Good point
Idk about you but I wouldn’t want to use a 12nm wheel on a desk lol
@@daddyfoosa7712 my brother bolted his fanatec podium dd2 which as 25nm to his desk. It shakes the monitors a bit but is also a 300lb solid wood desk.
@@daddyfoosa7712 With a rigid desk, its totally doable, i used my Moza R12 on my desk for a few weeks before getting a profile rig with minimal flex and screen bounce. Although that was a solid oak table with beefy metal legs, would not want to use it on an IKEA table.
@@daddyfoosa7712 Pfft! I will use his on my 50 dollar Ikea desk. There a reason they include a desk mount...
C5: Squidward
C12: Handsome Squidward
LMAOO
More like Squilliam Fancyson
Quite Literally, I love it 😂😂😂
This guy is the most underrated sim racing content creator . It’s beyond me how he does not have like 500k subs
he is good, but 500k ? dont know buddy
I love all the information you have on every video. I just wish the sim racing reviewer would review products by solely comparing them to the products that are in that same price range.
Love the new rim looks decent and like something that could have been in an real race car, imo the old one just looked a bit cheap
I agree, it's a big improvement in the styling department. Interchangeable rims is a big improvement too!
i disagree, i thought that too, but when you actually get in in your hands and see it in person , its actually remarkably high quality (paddles excluded). I'd choose a C5 over whatever the heck Turtle Beach released recently.
Things are really cooking rn. I'm suprised Cammus doesn't add fins to the rotor for semi-active cooling.
Looking at the button box as well, I wouldn't be suprised if they sell a formula/GT/Prototype rim sometime soon.
Can already see the new Acelith models as well.
I’m so glad I haven’t got my order yet from moza for that r3 bundle in 3 months. Because this isn’t changing my mind, unless it won’t come until the end of April then I have to go to fanatec
I love the competition on this section, im looking, ether for a CSL DD Boost Kit or Moza R9 but this offering seems interesting, i have to take a look.
cant change wheel and if one thing fails, the entire wheel is wasted
Do you know that you can get the "boost kit" which is literally just a 180w 7.5a charger with a male 4pin ATX connector, for like 30-40$? Fanatec has some QC issues though. Plastic wheel adapters and connectors made out of cheese.
Love the vids! Keep em going!
Hey, are you gonna make reviews to the Simagic P1000 and P2000? There aren't really many reviews out there. :/
That actually looks really good 😂 good vid oc!
Great review Oscar, I need some Hardware. I'm leaning towards fanatec, but fanatec is a disaster. I will wait a couple of months😊🙋👍
Despite of some minor flaws C12 may have, I think it's the best mid range badget option for beginners and for already sim racers.
Especially if you get C12 with LC100 pedals, I believe you'll have a great combo for a long time sim racing.
As I said before, the blue thumb encoders were made to be used in a certain way. Rotate them with the thumbs and push them with the index fingers.
Otherwise you can use some wheel spacers and gain a bit of space in order to push them with your thumbs properly.
that's my brand new setup !
with playseat trophy
Hey, When you said "stretching your budget just a little bit more", what product(s) were you referring to? I want the best detail I can get in the 12NM FF area
not in the market for a rim as i just got a simagic alpha mini, but massive shoutout for xt60 DC connection rather than an annoying barrel.
I was looking at getting a moza. But I've only hear of cammus for a few days and the review have threw in a curve ball and reconsidering
Considering only FFB information in game and FFB quality, how does the C12 compares to the Moza R9?
Currently i have a logitech g920 and im looking to upgrade. I want to either get the fantec 8nm bundle or save up a bit and get the cammus c12 which one would be more worth it ?
Both are great options, if you want to be involved with Fanatec Ecosystem, go for Fanatec, but if you want a more simplistic system without all that QR, Boost kit, load cell stuff then get the Cammus, take note that Fanatec is having some problems with Order Delivery, Logistics and RMA Service right now.
The Fanatec is the far better buy with a full ecosystem and better FFB.
@@SoyDavidYTthe delivery issues are over, that was Black Friday and Sony licensing issues which are all cleared up now.
Im looking for my first sim wheel but does this come with a wheel and pedals or gust the direct drive wheel base
Cammus C12 wheel only is $550 while the new T598 from Thrustmaster is $500 for wheel and pedals. Sure the TM is only 5NM but with axial drive and overshoot it's probably just as realistic if not more so.
Big wheelbase.
Man cant wait to see you hit 100k
Hehe thank you, I’m excited as well :)
The only thing keeping me from buying one is the lack of wheel customization, if you could change to a gt style wheel or something that would be nice
Get a Moza adapter and you can use a QR with that wheelbase
Do you think you can show your setup and all the wheels you have etc
6:20 what would be better for little bit more?
Other mid-range offerings like the CSL DD, Moza R9/12, Simagic Alpha Mini in my opinion offer more refined detail but do cost a bit more than this.
@@OCRacing I was wondering the same thing, thank you! Of these options, what is your favorite?
Great review, i wasn't aware of this wheel. I'm looking to upgrade from a Fanatec CSL elite and was aiming for a Moza 5.5nm DD with a KS wheel. Cammus was off the books until now, because their first model it's just way too ugly. But a 12nm compact DD that can fit any cockpit with two sticks and a bunch of buttons? Dude, i'm in.
What would you guys recommend?
Every time a new brand presents a new product/line the video title is "is it over for X or Y brands" 😂
If fanatec release a direct competitor to this I’m getting it.
They do, the Fanatec 8Nm is around the same price and better.
@@JohnSdigi I agree however the prices still don’t quite match up
Sorry I meant to the new cammus
I do not have much experience with sim racing wheels outside of my now 2.5 year old t300 gt, so i don't know what a high end wheel feels like, so, at least for me, that would be an interesting comparison between the 2.
I know the c12 will probably destroy the t300 rs gt in almost every metric, but i am interested in seeing just by how much will it win
Even the Cammus C5 destroys the T300 in every way. In fact, there is nothing non DD above it. BUT with an inmportant flaw: Everything is Logitech & Thrustmaster compatible (games have specific presets...all that jazz). Cammus is a newcomer and its compatibility list is much shorter, doesn't matter if it's their 15Nm base or C5/C12 wheels (5 and 12Nm respectively), compatibility is exactly the same among all their 3 products.
@@albertmas3752 well, there is one metric as a newcomer canmus has not proven itself in, ive seen the t300 work after 5 or even 6 years of use on the internet, by the way, im guessing canmus wheels will be reliable, but we will have to see just how reliable those wheels will be.
@@nomoneygamer Nor have proven it Moza's R12/R9/R5/R3. But you wouldn't say that about Moza. Thrustmaster has the least reliable wheel ever existed (the T248) that most don't last even 1 year. And we're talking about something relatively new, old thrustmaster wheels were horrible. No new product can prove reliability because (obviously) time. But both C5/C12 share a common trait: they have 0 moving parts. The motor turns directly the weel and no moving parts means no parts that may break. They also are famous for their build quality, what they may lack in fancy stuff (as in more expensive wheels) they have excess in quality build. In fact the C5 shifter is the only part than as for today has a few numbers of units broken and to be true, it is inexplicable why they chose such a cheap plastic part in an amazingly made piece of hardware.
@@albertmas3752 agreed, yet i have never had any issues with my t300rs, othervise you are fully on point
*WHAT IS THE SONG* @ 2:23 I really like the song as u can tell :D
Just why???
Would it have been so much more expensive to make the wheel changeable?
oc my guy, I watched a couple reviews on the pxn V10, do you think I should get it for just cruising on assetto corsa
Hell no, get a Logitech or Trustmaster wheel instead.
Nice, but I've mentioned this before...Charging additional money for the 'stand'..which you DO need is a bit of a joke...A big one !!!
Can the wheel be swapped?
nice vid good quality as always
Thanks man!
How are ppl using 12+ nm and not getting hurt. I'm at 8 and I'm terrified
Can you please review the pxn v99?
I dont think this is actual competition for my la prima. But in terms of value for money this could actually be awesome
Exactly
Yeeeaaahhh I'll keep my R12 all day long Moza customer service is TOP NOTCH it puts Fanatec Customer service to absolute shame and it's made really well I broke my USB port and didn't Even have to flat out ask for parts they just sent them unasked even I was so shocked they didn't fight me on getting it fixed Moza rocks I'll probably be a Moza customer for life after that experience so now I got my main Moza R12 Rig in the basement and a R5 rig in my bedroom using a Brook Ras1ution 2 it's awesome just waiting for true console support and they are always innovative improving there products it's awesome Moza will be one of the sim racing leaders In The near future just you watch
Is it compatible with only PC or can I be used on consoles such as the PS5 and XBOX?
Only PC
Can you review the simagic p1000 pedals if you can 😵💫
I’ll see what I can do
Thanks, i got most my stuff from your reviews, so these pedals are my last thing for me to decide on!
Im thinking of going inverted!
There's lots of reviews out there already though
Does anyone know what’s going on with the Moza r3?
No clue, im giving it a couple of weeks until the first of April
What kind of pedals are compatible with this?
Any that work on PC
what is the max steering angle???
Unlimited I believe, as is the case with most direct drive systems
@@OCRacing oh cool thanks, I might buy it Edit: I don’t actually know what a ultimate steering angle is I just got into wheels and I have a g29 rn lol
UUUUUUGGG!! I really like this companies wheels, but HATE, HATE, HATE their horrible shipping practices. They add around $100 to any wheel sell, and that destroys the value. I want this one, like really WANT it, but I need to see them fix their shipping "tax" before I jump on it. As always, fantastic review Oscar...maybe you could perhaps get a shipping deal out of 'em....I know, I know, wishful thinking 🤣
Hmm, thanks for letting me know of this - I'll have to look into it.
Try resellers in your country of residence, the UK has GT Omega and Abruzzi for example.
@@OCRacingAll you really need to do to see this is try ordering one from their site and put United States into the shipping box....then be prepared for the shell shock, lol. It really does suck that they do this.
@@LuminalSpoonSadly the US has no such resellers. It's direct from China or nothing. I'm glad you have someone there that actually does it.
Im sure the 3d printing world will fix the wheel spacer issue
The only draw back with this is the lack of upgrades to be honest
True, the interchangeable rims is a nice option at least and hopefully they fix the issue I pointed out.
does it come with pedals
Not offered with pedals at the moment
Hey man can you make a video of dd steering wheels under 400usd?
I'll see what I can do.
@@OCRacing thanks man , I am trying to get into sil racing world and I want a good wheels (better be a dd) for cheap price
Sadly no DD wheels under $400. Min is around $6-700 with pedals.
Over how? I really don’t like this design. It’s really limited in terms of only being able to swap rims
Goated video as always
Goated comment as always
what a timing right when i just bought c5
I've never heard anything good about this brand outside of a UA-cam sponsored video.
just bought my first wheel. a Logitech MOMO. it's great for it's age (made in 2006!).
would love a review on the MOMO, it's really a good wheel for the price.
lol here’s a quick review of the Momo. “Great for your toddler to play with”
@@JohnSdigi it seems to work just fine for me. I've only had it for a week though, so i might not be the most reliable source.
@@notamorningdragon once you try some other wheels you’ll see what we mean. The momo is maybe 1Nm of torque if that, and dead pedals. Thats why it’s more for a child.
Don't mind the other dude, it's a expensive hobby.
I've started with a used Logitech DFGT, a G29 borrowed from a friend, T300 that died recently and I'm looking forward to a Direct Drive now.
You are missing details and rotation 900° or above, I've got some track records from the DFGT that I still can beat with better equipment, being fast is not about the equipment.
Take your time, look for FOV and FFB clipping, that will help.
I’ll stick with my R16 V2. But this looks ok 👍🏻
Glad that the prices of direct drive wheels are going down. Competition will only bring better products for gamers
Please make a Moza handbrake review Please.
cammus has so much potential
Cammus and Moza need to get ps certified for us console people. ☹️
It was over for Fanatec since Black Friday.
I dropped from a Forza Competition to watch this. Did not disappoint
I appreciate you! 🤣
Nothing is over if they can't make'em. Availability to the general public instead of UA-camrs matters. It's like the Fanatec CSL and Moza R3 are unicorns too.
But the R3 is everywhere?
No. The R3 has not been available to the general public except to UA-camrs.
@@GG-si7fw All of the Moza resellers in my country have them, so they are pretty much everywhere now.
@marcushillerstrom25 On Moza's website and Amazon in the US is "not available." Good for your country but not mine.
put a qr in the miata and use simracing wheels on it
the miata has been upgraded..........
Bro stop making videos that are gonna make me not like my g923 anymore, something that strong would rip my weak ass arms off because the g is already hard to control for me.
I have a Moza R9 (9 Nm, more than 4 times the FFB of the G923), and man, it really makes me sweat!....I can't imagine how people can use wheels with 15+ Nm
Is it OVER For Fanatec & Moza?,
Thats only if you like Notchy Feeling in your wheel
I just need one button for WIN....
Claim your early ticket here
this guy really does not miss
ok
W Video🗣
There really is no affordable budget set ups, Rig, PC, Monitor, plus equipment $1500 min.
i understand where cammus is coming from but imo not being able to change the wheel is a huge turnoff
Looks like the bolt sticking out was a huge oversight - if they fix this then you should be able to interchange rims, albeit not easily.
great vid
great comment
Cammus finally made a respectable wheelbase/steering wheel, although they will need a lot more to dethrone Simagic, who has been the final nail in the coffin for Fanatec/Moza.
Agreed and agreed
I don't think you understand what the term "dead ringer" means.
@@gamergod9182 changed
Game Over!
Bro I just bought my first Moza are you kidding me
Cant even buy it in uk so no its not over for fanatec and moza
Just bought an r9 :(
Nothing to be sad about - personally I think the R9 provides more refined feedback and customization than this.
Me too, I dont like Cammus at all
i will stick with my simagic stuff.
Agreed, if you're in the Simagic ecosystem there would be no reason to look at this - the C12 is more geared towards people upgrading to direct-drive wheels for the first time.
Noice
Noice - happy Saturday
@@OCRacing happy Saturday to you to Oscar.
This is great option and Im glad it exists but man it is ugly
At least it's not as bad as the C5! haha
*The yellow center strip at the top is just UGLY!! WHY?!?* 😅
9k to go 👻
I need it for free, now!
MOZA is the best quality/performance/value offering out there, right now.🔥The only downside can be the quite basic pedals, but you could always mix n match with thrustmaster T-LCM or better.
Errr no. The internal components are low quality compared to competition at similar price. Example moza KS vs simagic GT Neo wheel. Everything from buttons, dials, rigidity, software, etc is better with the GT Neo.
@@wangte27 I am talking about R5 bundle. You can't beat it for the price.
@@andyn5502 for R5 I totally agree. R9, 12, 16, 21….no
No quick release is a no go. I think too many of us have other uses for our monitors without the wheel in the way.
this is fresh as fuck
Fresh out the oven
My wallet is sad now (related to my last comment)
dirt 3 ahh music
I buy this over the crap one they had. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The C12 and Cammus software are junk. Take it from someone that unfortunately brought a C12 bundle stay away!
nice
Wow, those 2 tiny paddles are pathetic.
Too loud clicking
A bit noisy yeah.. some people like that though.
Please buy me a wheeel
The only company with worse customer service than fanatec. It's a shame the reviewers don't share everything.
🤣