Original Pressings vs. Reissue Vinyl
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I never understood how people can’t understand the value of an original pressing. There’s nothing cooler than finding a NM pressing of a record that’s over half a century old, a fragile piece of plastic enveloped in paper that’s survived decade after decade unscathed until finally making its way into your collection where it’s safe. It’s like music archeology.
I agree! Thanks for watching! 🙏
Exactly!!
And also is the best quality both sound wise and graphically wise ( for the most part).
One of my favourite finds recently was The Who pinball wizard single because it was a magazine copy totally disposable thin flimsy bit of plastic that def will sound gross, but it survived all this time
@@Destide love stuff like that. The fact that it’s flimsy and probably doesn’t sound the best makes it all the much better 😂👍🏼
Wise words at the end...don't collect to impress anyone but yourself!
Thank you!
Well said
I’m 67. About 30 years ago, I bought CD versions of most all of my LPs, thinking that these would be superior replacements for my “outdated” records. The good news is that I packed my old LPs away, but never got rid of them, thank goodness I didn’t! I still collect CDs, their sound is incredible, but I will never part with my LPs. I also still have my 1978 Sony Turntable.
Awesome! Pull them back out!
Dylan, like you I can not explain why I collect. I’m a 61 yo addict. Spent $500 yesterday
I would do that if I had that kind of money
Hahaha I’m with you man 🤣
I spend $300 to $400 Monthly
Good to have another hobby other than the vinyl obsession
@@Matasky2010 nah
Spot on, love the closing: “no one cares about your collection but you”.
In the end only YOU will care about your collection, is a great statement.
Thanks! So true!
It took me close to 10 years to find John Lennon and Yoko Ono - Sometime In New York in OG press. That was 25 years ago. Now I see it reprinted everywhere..
The LZ I test pressing story is by far the best record story you’ve shared. Just based on the actual historical relevance of that specific record. Amazing.
Yeah it’s special to me! Thanks for watching! 🙏
A few days ago I heard a song on one of the college stations here in Chicago thinking it was Janis Joplin, but when I shazamed it, it turned out to be "Monkey Island" Elevators. After seeing you bring that record up, I put it on from the Web. Now I want a copy. Found CDs and some I'm guessing audiophile pressings with a different cover. I think I'll keep an eye out for the original cover. The Led Zep? Oh yeah, I can see how cool they are. I saw Led Zep three times including the infamous Jimmy passing out on stage, that was a few months before I graduated high school. I would love footage of that. I probably have the ticket stubs from the show.
You are spot on. Also, everyone should play the records they buy! My brother asked me the other day if he should open and play a limited edition record (only 500copies). I said ABSOLUTELY! Open it, play it, and enjoy it.
LPs are made to be played not to collect dust 😎.
I found a single stitch 1975 Zeppelin tee the other day at an estate sale. Rock memorabilia has always been my favorite.
I love these Led Zeppelin records. I'm a big fan 🙂🙂♥♥
I totally agree with the statement of buy what you like and going to listen to
Thanks for watching! 🙏
The first time I've watched one of your videos, I really enjoyed it. There was a lot of good information. I liked the point that you made of record buyers needing to collect what's meaningful to themselves, not to try and impress anyone else. Or, don't collect something just because it's collectable. Do it only if you like it and want it. Good advice.
Thanks so much!
I feel very fortunate to own original pressings of all three Mandrake Memorial albums!
I love test pressings! My prized ones are my Van Halen test, pressings. I have the 1978 S/T actually, the test pressing was done in Dec. 1977 and it’s signed by Eddie on the white cover.
Wow that’s incredible!
100% agree ... I can never own everything that I want ... but I can try😁
I love the hunt, I love the albums and, as you said, I love the "history".
It's a great hobby and an expensive one, but I love it.
Yes I agree as well!
I bought Led Zeppelin III when It first came out in the UK when I was 16 my first album. then went on to be a record dealer for 43 years, great video mate.
Greatest singer songwriter that ever lived. That’s not subjective, that’s an objective truth. I’m not even gonna say who, because everyone knows.
Closing thoughts = words of wisdom
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I'm currently rebuilding my collection on Vinyl and this is great food for thought.
On the topic of Blue Note, it is worth mentioning that many 60’s & 70’s reisssues were produced with the same stampers as the first press, sonically an identical product and much more accessible price point for what is still a vintage copy.
Yes! True!
I'm 40 sec in. Sound is why to buy a original. There's a certain sound vs a re pop. And if they have to ask they will never understand. Not being rude ... I love the original sound cause you travel to a time by sound. Best thing in the universe!
love your enthusiasm and excitement when you talk about the records
Outstanding amount of work you have done . Appreciate your knowledge .
haha... "Im not trying to flex or anything". That should be on the t-shirt of every collector of anything ever😆Great video dude👍
Hahahahha 💪💪💪
You hit the nail on the head Dillon...only collect what you like and means something to you!
Thanks for watching! 🙏
Great video man! always enjoy watching your channel!
Thanks for this video, Dillon, a great analysis and discussion of reissues vs OPs. Also, thanks for talking about the Wara LP you've reisued! Heard it online, loved it, and just ordered a copy from your site. Sounds really great for a late-night listen! Also neat that you've reissued this- there's so much great music buried out there that most of us will never hear, but it's always great when we find it
I really loved this! I learned a ton! I also like what you said at the end. Get what you love.
INSANE pieces my friend!!!
Just found your channel. Subscribed to a fair few others, don’t know how I’ve missed yours.
Fantastic, love your passion and knowledge, sense of humour and knowledge.
Big fan, look forward to hearing heaps more. Cheers from Australia.
No way, I didn’t know King Crimson had a pressing on Swirl. That’s mad man. That won’t be easy to come by.
Great video man. Love the two LZ.’s. 🤙
Good words of wisdom collect for your heart, soul and taste.
I love that you mentioned Townes in your favorite list . I absolutely love him and have slowly been collecting his original pressings!
Another informative and enjoyable video Dylan- cheers. Ive been following your channel for about a year or so now. I think this is my first comment- you do a great job and I've learnt so much. Even though I'm far away in Leeds UK I'd still like to wish you and all the staff at Noble Records a very happy Christmas and best wishes for the New Year.
TRUTH is what you like.
The original is a souvenir for your experience it’s the greatest thing to collect ever
I'm in my 60s and I've held on to my albums since I bought in my teens and the past 10 years I've been buying more originals and represses I was trying to get only AAA albums but it's getting harder and harder great video Dylan.
Hey Dylan, love your take and philosophy on record collecting. Coolest thing is sharing my experiences with my daughter as she is getting into vinyl. Can't wait to give her her first turntable for the holidays.
Fantastic channel. Congrats for your work, albuns and excelents coments. Regards from Brasil !
I love what you do and say
Hi! Great info! Thanks
Many great words of record collecting wisdom here. Thank you for all the great content Dillon! Greetings from Sweden🤘
Thanks for watching! 🙏
Very good advice indeed and well received.
Thanks mark!
I really appreciate your idea of how that exact piece of vinyl was influencing future artists of California. Never looked at a test pressing like that. Only the allure of a record peeling off a brand new stamper, all details intact.
It’s all subjective. And, when people ask me they want to dive in… I warn them. It’s a crazy passion, they take a lot of room and “$”. But, most of all they need a decent system. On a side note I just ordered 4 of your Noble Exclusives. Can’t wait. Great price & no tax! I’ve also ordered thee Andromeda & a few others in the past. Wonderful, beautifully packaged records! Thanks!!!
Thanks so much! I hope you love them!
Great Video! You keep it real, so true to the hobby as well. Been collecting my favorites since early 1980s and didn’t really start playing them till recently, due to having kids and family, now the 1980 Pioneer system is up and running with a new cartridge and it’s all new again! I been looking for some new records I will check out your site, Happy New Year 😎
THANK YOU FOR THIS ONE , it was on my mind for a minute . you explain everything to the dot. thank you
Thanks for watching! 🙏
Tripped across your vid here, great watch. I could definitely sit and talk vinyl with you for hours. Great info and perspective. I’ll definitely be buying something from you soon!
I got some pretty cool reissues. But I love originals. Of all genres mainly metal and punk for me. Nice video man
I can understand why you would want an original. I've gone out of my way to collect certain originals myself. Sometimes albums are remastered and remixed, and you can't get a new copy that isn't. A good example for me was Real Gone by Tom Waits. The newer remixed remaster isn't bad at all, but if you've ever heard the original before, then it is a noticeably HUGE difference. It's worth hunting for the originals if you can.
Goddamit, that was the best video ive seen for years and days, you formulated my own thoughts better than I could myself
Hey that means a lot! Thanks!
Nice !
Hi Dillon. Interesting video 🤔
As OG prices/value increase, there will always be ppl wanting OG pressings.
Currently, Led Zeppelin 1 Turquoise UK pressing is selling between $1K and $3K. That’s quite a bit of money for one record (and it’s not even the best sounding version of Led Zeppelin 1)?! 😬
From my 20+ experience, most record collectors are insular, insufferable, & socially awkward ppl, but some are very insightful, friendly, & passionate. 👍🏼
My recommendation for ppl getting into the vinyl hobby: make friends with collectors who have amazing collections. Listen to the records together: talk about them & enjoy them. ✌🏼
Great perspective! I agree!
Your absolute love for music stands out like beacon, I’ve added some of these to my Spotify library to listen too as I’ve not heard of them before. I saw Robert Plant in Aberystwyth, Wales recently, he was superb. I was a long haired, hippy art student when those led zeppelin albums came out here in the uk, so they are always in my collection. Brilliant vid👍🇬🇧
Just came across your channel. I enjoyed watching and listening to your perspective on why you collect. I used to collect comic books (meaning that I don’t buy them any more but I still have my collection) I don’t collect vinyl, but I was a DJ hobbyist (80’s + 90’s) single 12’’ freestyle and house which I still own along with my equipment. To those who collect albums, buy the music you want to hear and enjoy listening to. True what is said that no one outside the hobby cares what you have. As a guy who grew up around and buying vinyl, I am delighted that this medium has made a comeback.
You were definitely flexing with those zep1 albums. AS YOU SHOULD!! To have both of those is just awesome. Flex away!
BTW just found your channel and subscribed. Great video
this was a true statement that it doesnt matter to anyone what you collect. i got a reissue of house of the holy and it sounded better than the one I bought in the 70's.
I really like the Nevermind 30th in the LP box!
After watching this video, I listened to 13th Floor and Wara (I’m a big psychedelic and prog fan). Both were amazing but Wara was absolutely killer! It’s great that I can still discover 1960s/1970s music. Thanks for the suggestions!
Thanks as always Dylan! Will look for your store this spring! Planning an eastern seaboard trip…
Awesome! Hope to see you!
My collection is my own plain and simple. I have many originals back in 70s when I was a teenager but beat them to hell. Im happy to have a reissued album and my collection is growing again. I do it for the nostalgia; gives me great joy like many of you.
Nostalgia for your youth and enjoyment; that's what it's about.
I have pondered this question many a time. Thanks for weighing in. I like both, too.
Thanks for watching! 🙏
totally agree- I started listening to In Utero again, such a raw record. then I started doing the audiophile thing, comparing the 2013 vs the other mixes. Finally i realized what a ridiculous way it was to listen to someone bleeding their heart out. To me everything that matters comes out the speakers.
Comes right in with the heat… my man! ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
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🤣 thanks man!
Thanks for another great video. I started collecting vinyl again 3 yrs ago. Even as a 59 yr old, you have opened my eyes and ears to so much music that I didnt know existed. There is nothing better than seeking out vinyl that you have recommended like Amanaz, Mcphee and Elias Hulk. I really need to check out your exclusives (Wara).
Keep sharing your passion and knowledge.
Yes! Check them out! I only do exclusives on things I really love! Noblerecordstore.com/store
My favorite record? It’s always the last one I purchased.
Really appreciate the education--from Athens, GA. Hope to visit your store some day.
Please do! Not too far!
First vid I've watched from your channel. Subscribed.
Jar of Flies 🔥
Awesome! Thanks so much!!!!
Love this channel man
@@noblerecordscongrats on 100k btw
@2:08 You've got re-issues alright 😂😂
Well explained D!
Thank you!!!
I want the best sound version, even if it's not an OG pressing, but I love to still get them for the artifact
Awesome Video 👍
Thanks man!
Great video, very informative and balanced. 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching! 🙏
New subscriber. Really liking your videos.
Hey Brother! Zeppelin is my favorite band as well!!! My holy grail is my Led Zeppelin 2 RL SS hot mix that is VG+ to M- Great video! I would love your test pressing and UK 1st! Happy Spinning and Merry Christmas!
Fascinating topic Dillon and great to hear your perspective. I love to get hold of first pressings of the music I grew up with (‘90s stuff), like this is an actual copy I might have picked up if I’d had the money and foresight to walk into a record store and grab it when I was 16. I also get the ‘artefact’ aspect of it you were talking about. I have a 1956 pressing of the first Elvis album Rock’n’Roll on the HMV label (so a UK pressing), the one where they wrote on the sleeve notes that Elvis was this new star in jazz because the genre that Elvis was part of was literally being invented by this very record and nobody knew how to describe it yet. And when I listen to the music coming out of those grooves it is highly meaningful to me that in 1956 people were listening to those very same grooves and hearing rock music for the very first time. It’s like the genesis of my entire music collection. Thanks for the great video, greetings from London
Thanks for watching! 🙏
My thinking since I started seriously collecting has shifted greatly. I used to not care about what pressing it was, just as long as I could get it cheap. However, as with anything I start collecting, I started thinking about what I should be looking for that will retain or grow value most over time. Obviously the popularity of vinyl waxes and wanes, but there will always be that core of collectors out there. The real die hard collectors. A lot of the time, what they want, is your original pressings, your top condition copies. So my thinking is by focusing on getting those original top copies, I can have a collection of great music that plays incredibly, and it will also retain more value in a soft market than it would if I collected reissues.
Very good perspective! They aren’t making any more 1st pressings!
@@noblerecords So years ago I used to own an RL Led Zeppelin II and stupidly sold it (the story of my life). Fast forward to 2023 and I recently scored a plum/red UK copy which sounds *unbelievable* . I assume you have heard both and would love your opinion on how they compare.
Would you rather have a NM original pressing or a VG+ second pressing, like a repress from the same or following year?
Unless you’re buying Taylor Swift or Harry Stiles.
@@Pluralofvinylisvinyls I'll usually accept an early repress in place of an OG, until I can find a pristine OG.
God knows how many copies of King Crimson I've owned, here's the thing, the rarest UK copy is the Pink Island label with the 2 and 2 matrix!
but all the Pink ones crackle, more noticeable in the quiet passages, the best sounding UK island copy is The Philip's press of the pink rim version. they used the original masters and have less noise. You can easily identify the pressing by the rough labels.
The best sound however is from the 80's EG copy, which Robert Fripp had a hand in.
A great video Dylan, kinda hits on everything and for everyone. Sometimes the story about getting a record is better then the record itself.
Yeah it’s a combo for me! Thanks for watching! 🙏
I buy records for the music all the history b/s leaves me cold. Vinyl has got stupid expensive so I rediscovered CD's and I love them.
I know a lot of people don't like Walmart but they do sell some good vinyl ,like Led Zeppelin remastered by Jimmy Page an pressed in in Germany on 180 gm vinyl and a lot of other represses ,so you can preserve your vinyl 😊
Great content, have subscribed! Recently started building a small vinyl collection, for investment I confess, although my resolve may weaken over time so I end up playing them! Had records but sold the big hitters a few years back for the money, and regretted ever since. My love is classic punk, mainly UK. Bought a few original presses, but then you get quality issues and silly prices. Then realised could buy some really nice limited reissues on coloured vinyl for reasonable prices, plus mint sealed copies. Started with Sex Pistols 7 inch single reissues, then got a NMTB 35th anniversary and went from there. Have built a collection of almost every classic I owned but sealed. Those reissues in many cases are increasing in value, my collection according to Discogs already has a top value of almost £1600 for around 35 records. Really enjoying collecting again. Just looking at a US rerelease of Do It Dog Style by Slaughter and the Dogs on orange vinyl, and watching a blue vinyl The Scream by Siouxsie and the Banshees! Keep up the great work!!!!
Great video and some juicy selections. That teal Zep 1 is friggin rare as heck.
Honestly and quite simply, I buy records because I’m guaranteed to listen to the whole album . The temptation to skip with cds and streaming is just too much.
Also I collect out of habit . Growing up in the 80s, I thought records were just so cool. I know how they’re made and pressed, it’s quite simple tech, but I still find it magical somehow. It’s my preferred format although I know the dynamic range is significantly lower than a cd or blu ray audio, which I also collect.
I found over the passed 20 years , it’s not really original or repress that defines what I buy. It’s particular pressings I want . For instance, Herbie Hancock - Headhunters . The originals sound just fine but the 2015 Analogue Productions pressing can’t be beat . I own that OMR of Zeppelin 2 as well, 1981 pressing. The Bob Ludwig is amazing but louder. These 2 cuts along with the Classic Recordings are my favorite pressings .
Did you know the master tapes for “In the Court of the Crimson King” were lost in the 1969? All the pressings for all formats suffered generational loss and distortion from improper eq and compression applied. Thankfully, the masters were found in 2002. The vinyl repressing in 2009 and the blu ray multichannel mixed by Steven Wilson under Robert Fripp’s supervision are incredible.
One other thing I find interesting or just yet another variable are the mixes of 60’s and 70’s albums. The US stereo mixes of Beatles I find to be crap . Doesn’t hit as hard as the mono mixes of the UK pressings. But the Uk mastering , the drums are buried for the same reason the Bob Ludwig mastering of Zep 2 was rejected. People’s record stylus would jump out. Ringo Starr’s first comment about the remastered 2018 White Album was, “You can finally hear my drums!”
And during the 70’s, there were mixing decisions based on the whole stereo cabinet setup most people had. So the spectrum was narrower. Some people like that sound and are used to it. Others like a real wide spectrum. I personally think the Steven Wilson mix of the Yes catalogs and Jethro Tull Aqualung are far superior with a wider spectrum.
But hey, the only thing that matters is the music on whatever format you choose. That’s all cds, dvd-a, blu ray audio, Sacd, vinyl, cassette, and streaming are. Just formats .
Great video Dillon! I certainly can appreciate the historical significance of the LZI test pressing. I grew up in So Cal and K.M.E.T was my favorite radio station! They always had zeppelin on the airwaves …. Occasionally they would do a Led Zeppelin A-Z weekend, where they would play every Zeppelin tune in alphabetical order … great times!
That’s awesome! Thanks for watching! 🙏
You killed me when you pulled out Nevermind. I have a whole heap of original pressings I got from my dad, and Nirvana are one of my all time favourite bands, and it was one of the first albums I got (but on CD). I want an original pressing of it and I looked up the prices of them recently, but there's no way I can afford one :(
That’s the fun thing about records, you can sometimes get lucky with them!
I posted the other two comments before the end of the video, I personally wouldn’t bother getting first pressings cause I don’t have the money. I focus on the good affordable stuff. If it’s pressed at Pallas, RTI, QRP, or record industry, and/or mastered by Kevin Gray, Chris Bellman, Robert Ludwig, Bernie Grundman, Ryan K Smith, etc and it’s affordable, I’m in. I have a $27 Frank Zappa that was pressed at Pallas and I forget at the moment who is cut by but you get the point. I would rather have a $35 analog productions, Nina Simone, pastel blues, then an original press, I don’t have the money, I don’t collect for those kinds of reasons, (historical), I just want it to sound beautiful and QUIET. something that I learned from Mike Esposito: do I really have the money in time to dig through original pressings of rumors looking for one that came off the stamper early and hasn’t been chewed up or would I rather just get the 45 RPM (and in my case the 33, as well) copies from Analog productions? Yeah, I’ll take the best sounding for $40-$60, Alex. I’ll tell you what no one cares about: your crackly sounding first press that you spent a paycheck on vs three hours of labor for an analog productions version. The 33 1/3 analog productions version of dreams, makes the panties drop faster than a first any day of the week. I’m being cheeky, but you get my point.
Nice one Dylan! Yes, the bottom line is collect what makes you happy. I had 12 different copies of ELP's Pictures At An Exhibition from different countries (even from countries where the quality control is suspect) because I love ELP. Then last year when they issued it on white vinyl, I bought a 13th copy. My friends don't see it, but is has meaning to me - and as you said "that's what matters." Cheers from Central California!
Thanks so much!
Most of the time but not always especially for 90s records, Superunknown 1st press was cut from CD and there are many examples. But for analog era 1st pressings are the best.
I've got a lot of Jazz and you're right on all points.. It's an AMAZING time to collect them. The only mono pressing I dig is Time Out on Columbia 6 eye.Amazing depth. The rest is stereo, SRX if available.
Love your thoughts on building your collection for your own taste. Also started listening to King Crimson after one of your videos. I find a lot of good music through you. Thanks for that!
You’re welcome! That means a lot! Thanks for watching! 🙏
I like original vinyl records because there is a story to be told about the disc that can be told....or maybe thought about. There is nothing more pleasing than finding a gem of a vintage record. 😊
I agree! Thanks for watching! 🙏
Very well said - I have been asked why I have 3 vintage receivers & 4 pairs of speakers when I have a nice surround stereo setup.
My reply - it sounds better !!!!
OGs all the way! Even if the sound is less superior it’s document of history and moment in time. Plus very limited and rare.
I buy and sell the same way as you Dylan.
Always go after the first pressings then sell the repressing in the shop
Yessir! Thanks for chiming in! 🙏
Its like classic cars, some only want original no matter how bad they drive, some like resto-mod because it has all the updates.
Personal preferences
I read about the original Poppy Townes stuff and just went straight to the Tomato 2nd press. So happy with it, mastered at Masterdisk.
Good move!
Great video! For me, if I can find an original that I can afford, I go for it, if not, I just buy the reissue. This being said, I love the 'historical fact' of having the originals and imagine how they could arrive after so many years to my hands, also if they have an story behind, that the previus owner can tell me, its just awesome! As you said, I cant explain that feeling... But again, I buy lots of reissues also, just because of the crazy pricess that some originals get,
Thanks for the video!!
Thanks for watching! 🙏 I agree with your approach!
Really interesting topic Dillon. I am 71 and have been buying records of all kinds since I was a radio DJ in the 70s. I have settled into mostly jazz over the years & I do have more interest in originals or early pressings. The historical character appeal is hard to explain but I think you hit the right points. I do think if you are just starting, pressings like Tone Poets are the way to go, but at this stage I mostly am trying to fill holes and grails I want and go for the OGs or early pressings. I find that I can eventually find early presses or OGs that sound great to me. For example, RSD I am generally only interested in the previously unreleased material.
I agree on RSD! Thanks for watching! 🙏
Sold all my 80 LPs in 1975 based on what I had read about the coming "perfect sound forever". Then 2 years later an audio store opened up in Sarasota, FL and I heard one of my favorite LPs on a Linn Sondek LP12 turntable. It took 17 years to be able to afford one but thankfully, one of the employees at that store and a good friend said: "there is good sound to be heard from LPs with lesser turntables." B&O kept me happy for those 17 years and I began to go to garage sales as people gave away their LP collections for pennies on the dollar. Lately, after amassing about 3,800 (not always for 50 cents but sometimes between $3 and $15), it's stopped being fun. I will occasionally pop for $30 for something to fill a gap or to replace a "regret" sale (for example, The Who "Direct Hits" on Track Records). But now, too often, an impulse buy for something at $60 ends up with a slight warp or other issue which, even though my turntable can handle with aplomb, is simply annoying. Funny, but almost none of my garage sale finds have warps of any kind (maybe one slight "hariline" scratch at worst case scenario). In these annoying times, I think it's time to call it a day and listen to what I have. And my Japanese Pressing of Led Zeppelin I is just fine ($8 from same friend who sold me his Linn LP12).
I hear that. I miss those garage sale days! Thanks for watching! 🙏