This guy must have been sleeping since 1979 and just woke up. Fuel cells are fine... in space. Everywhere else, they have been tested, tried, and abandoned
@@larsfroelich not really.....depend on technology....Don't forget that these fuelcells are responsible for vast majority of space exploration....I think this is the future....not the battery commedy.
Yep. Fuel cell will never be practical for passenger car use. The infrastructure is orders of magnitude too expensive (and still virtually non-existent even after 20 years of hydrogen car development), and generating green hydrogen is very inefficient and a waste of clean energy.
@@jaroslavsimon8100 I agree with you. I did not understand fully but what I could understand is that hydrogen will be the fuel of the car. Like gasoline. So essentially you have to develop an engine that runs on hydrogen. Of course it has to be efficient and reliable. and secondly you have create an infrastructure to facilitate refill the car with hydrogen. After all the car will need fuel refilling. So its a dual challenge but its not impossible. The EV technology is obviously ahead because batteries have been used a fuel sources for decades plus electric charging is possible. But use of hydrogen fuels is still a challenge though they claim their test runs are going great. So it means they have developed the car. At least the BMW executive seemed very confident. But use of hydrogen as commercial fuel has never been tried or used. Except in rockets so that really will be the challenge.
I really like BMW so I'll tell you this for free. I'm from the future, so believe me when I say hydrogen is a recipe for bankruptcy. Don't go the way of Blackberry, Kodak, and Toyota. Cut your losses and pivot now to 100% battery electric while you still can.
Eww, Hydrogen driven cars are better for the environment and take shorter time to fuel up. Battery electric vehicles are a thing of the past! Take too long to charge and their batteries pose a threat to the environment!
@@YDGFX Hydrogen cars also have batteries and the fuel cell, that is as much resource-intensive as batteries, and also has expensive metals. Not only batteries are advancing way faster, but are also less expensive, and recyclable. Not only to generate and compress the hydrogen requires several times the energy to charge a battery with same capacity, but hydrogen requires storage and distribution, mostly done by gasoline and diesel trucks. Above all that, nearly all hydrogen produced today comes from fossil fuels.
Hydrogen takes four times - four times - the energy required to charge a battery. Add to that the fact that it also need storage and distribution, mostly done by gasoline and diesel trucks, and the fact that almost all hydrogen is sourced from oil and gas, and the only possible conclusion is this: hydrogen is greenwashing.
Now here's the trick: They're wasting german tax payer's money instead of shareholder money. Nobody will ever miss it and along the way they make nominal losses while the managers and stakeholders earn more than ever.
Sorry, BMW… H2 will never be the answer. It is far too energy wasteful, even if extracted by electrolysis using renewable energy. For example, it would take 341.58 kWh of electricity to extract enough H2 for a full tank in a Hyundai Nexo to drive it 354 miles. A Hyundai Ioniq 5 could drive 1,025 miles on that amount of electricity -nearly three times that distance! Moreover, the infrastructure for FCV is practically non-existent. There are only 55 H2 fueling stations in the USA -the vast majority of them in California. The push for H2 is a ploy by the fossil fools who want to SELL us the H2, when their oil starts running dry, instead of letting consumers get their clean, green, free fuel from rooftop solar. How much is the oil industry paying you to promote their "future" profit-making scheme?
I just don’t understand how is hydrogen better than BEV? Especially with batteries evolving and improving at very rapid pace. The Chinese are some of the smartest people on earth currently, and it’s clear why they’re adopting BEV, and they’re currently leaders in battery research which means they beleive in the product. So his point is that batteries are heavy A Tesla model 3 is 1.8 tons a couple hundred kilos heavier or exactly same weight as a bmw 3. But who cares about weight ?? When both Center of gravity gives more safety and despite the weight the car is probably most efficient family vehicle on earth currently. Most efficient Most cheapest Available today Fast charging is a reality Instant torque And best performance. Why bother with hydrogen ??? Especially that it’s sooo expensive to fill up and to actually make it u need a lot of energy
This is why: because 98% of hydrogen comes from oil, this is all about oil subsidies and greenwashing. They are deep in this hole. Not just hydrogen is absurdly inefficient, but they will need to transport it using gas and diesel trucks. For me this is the definitive sign that both brands can't deal with electric disruption and are beyond recovering.
1:34 So BMW had a clean energy vehicle since 1979 and they never bothered developing it further to reduce emissions 🙄. They should be fined for their emissions over the last 50 years then. Thank you for admitting your guilt.
@@radglitch7233 exactly. We need to ramp up production, but right now there isn't enough capacity to produce that much hydrogen. This technology will certainly become mainstream as demand increases. However, at present, the cost of 1kg of hydrogen can reach up to €15, making a full tank of 6kg around €90. If demand increases further, prices could rise even more, making the operational costs of hydrogen cars quite high and inefficient. That said, I believe this situation will follow the trend of other technologies, where supply eventually catches up, driving prices down.....
BMW is too rich that they need to waste it on a pointless dead end tech for passager cars. You would wonder why German manufacturing on a downhill slide
Hydrogen adds so much inefficiency required both in infrastructure and in the vehicle as well compared to BEV. The few grams of platinum are so much more rare and expensive than the materials in the battery, which keep coming down in price. I love my BMW EVs, they are fantastic. By continuing to push the Hydrogen pipe dream you are telling customers who are skeptical of BEVs to keep avoiding them and wait for Hydrogen. Please, drop the Hydrogen nonsense for passenger vehicles. The Mirai was a complete failure. It makes no sense. I say this as a lifelong BMW fan and with nothing but love.
Exactly. This greenwashing is a shame, they don't need this. Both companies have a lot of invested money from oil, remember that 95% of hydrogen comes from oil.
Here in Denmark we Will have plenty off hydrogen, we are making massive amounts from rest power from Windpower industri , power 2X its called. And in germany they have Big power plants who makes hydrogen from rest power also. So I Think that Europe has fooled china too be the biggest batteripowered Auto industri and now Europe is coming with a hydrogen blow too china. Truck’s are also coming with Hydro/elekrick trucks now, they are allready trucking in USA. So hydrogen is coming.
@@christianchristensen4291 hydrogen makes no sense compared to batteries. You have to waste so much power generating the hydrogen, compressing it, cooling it, loading it onto trucks, driving the truck, transferring it into the station, etc. Hydrogen is hyped by the fossil fuel industry as they are the main source of hydrogen today.
As another lifelong BMW fan, BEVs is NOT where its at. There is no sustainability is a vehicle mad up entire of batteries. Look how we treat our phones, disposable. Mileage and battery degradation also mean the life of the vehicle itself is shorter than ICE or Hydrogen. Who wants to buy a used BEV with a rundown battery? Just because a technology is not ready yet does not mean that it should be abandoned. True innovation is not discovered nor adopted overnight.
@@soviet1942 BEVs last longer than ICE vehicles. Battery degradation isn't really an issue like people fear. Batteries can be entirely recycled. Please educate yourself and stop repeating fossil fuel industry FUD. Hydrogen cars still require a battery and electric motors. They are just BEVs that have added unnecessary complexity and way less efficiency.
Imagine a tank with more than 80 liters (they are saying it in kilograms) of highly combustible and highly explosive and highly reactive Hydrogen below your seat. Hydrogen molecule (two atoms) is to small and too light, so it will leak a lot.
Because we currently aren't driving vehicles that ALREADY contain thousands of combustion cycles per minute? I'm sure people riding horses were making the same statement you are when cars first came out. What about BEV thermal runaway events? Even fire departments has trouble handling BEV fires.
@@soviet1942 Hydrogen will always be hydrogen. They know how dangerous it is, and all this is just for research purposes. I didn't mentioned, but it needs more energy to get H2 than it can give back.
It seems like many of the comments come from people who are not well-informed-especially those who favor battery EVs. 😄 The arguments against hydrogen technology often miss the mark. Personally, I see more potential in hydrogen than in batteries, though there's still a long road ahead. I’m skeptical that 2028 will be the breakthrough year for hydrogen vehicles. The challenge of building the necessary infrastructure is enormous. When it comes to storing hydrogen, there are serious considerations. While some existing gas stations could be adapted, the storage tanks can't simply be reused for hydrogen. Hydrogen requires special tanks that can handle high pressures and prevent leaks, as it’s a much smaller molecule than gasoline or diesel. Safety is also a major concern-any potential ignition source must be avoided, even something as common as a smartphone could pose a risk. Handling hydrogen safely will require a lot of attention and rigorous standards to prevent accidents. Given the current pace of progress, achieving widespread hydrogen vehicle adoption within the next four years is ambitious but not impossible. It would require overcoming significant hurdles in infrastructure, cost, and technology. If these challenges are met with concerted effort and innovation, we might see a notable increase in hydrogen vehicles on the road, though mainstream adoption could still take a bit longer.
Widespread H2 vehicle adoption would take a massive united global effort and decades worth of resources, because the required infrastructure is currently non-existent and very complex and resource intensive. It would be much more resource and time efficient to focus on BEVs and alternative forms of transit.
@@beanapprentice1687 I’m just trying to explore potential answers, because simply dismissing the idea isn’t helpful. Think about it-how many times did the Wright brothers hear that human flight was impossible? Yet, they proved it could be done. Over 100 years later, commercial aviation is a normal part of life. In the same way, I wouldn’t be quick to say whether hydrogen-powered cars are possible or not. Technology evolves, and what seems unrealistic today might become commonplace tomorrow. I believe in the free and natural exploration of technologies, driven by innovation, rather than having progress dictated or limited by regulations from political classes. Time will ultimately show us what is truly possible.
@@jaroslavsimon8100 I’m sorry, but the time to explore potential answers is over. Automakers have had since the 1970s to figure out which emissions-free fuel technologies are best for passenger cars, and hydrogen clearly isn’t it. You can’t really compare the invention of powered flight with hydrogen cars because so many variables are different between the two cases. Today we have unfathomably more understanding of the world around us, and technology which allows us to simulate, create, and test inventions like never before. We _know_ that H2 infrastructure is far more expensive than electrical or gasoline infrastructure, and it’s simply because hydrogen gas is among the smallest of molecules and tends to slip through microscopic imperfections in the walls of any container. Electrical infrastructure is far cheaper and already exists, and so all we need is alternative forms of transit to largely compensate for the weaknesses of EVs and we could easily convert half of the world’s vehicles to electric in the next 2 or 3 decade (of course, that’s ignoring resource limitations which willl undoubtedly slow down the pace of EV adoption; but if battery materials are a concern then we can focus on PHEVs instead and get all the environmental benefits during city driving, which is where BEVs are predominantly used anyways). And if you want to know how the field of clean vehicles would innovate and explore technologies if the process wasn’t guided by government regulations, well the answer is that this field wouldn’t even exist. That’s because automakers only care about one thing, money. And neither BEVs nor FCEVs are as profitable as ICEVs. Hydrogen powered cars exist, but they’re little more than lab experiments and have been this way for the past 15 years without much change. Automakers are simply not willing to spend the billions upon billions of dollars necessary to build a comprehensive hydrogen refuelling infrastructure from scratch. But relatively light government regulations _have_ been enough to convince automakers to spend money building out EV charging networks, with a thousand EV charging stations being built every week in the USA. Compare that to around 60 hydrogen fuelling stations ever built in the USA.
So did General Motors back in the 80's..... Why do you pray for hydrogen to be successful? Do you want to pay more for your fuel than gas is now, and give up the convenience of being able to charge up at home for a fraction of the cost of buying gas?
whats the point of fast refueling if you have nowhere to refuel it. wake tf up bmw. look at what a massive failure that Toyota is in California. With EVs and Plug in hybrid as good as today, Hydrogen cars will have close to zero chance of succeed.
lol as a car driver never seen a hydrogen charging station in my country lol... so it would be interesting, saw in city ev chharging stations and also at tankstations lol... but best car would be hydrogen and electric charging dual car , as most hydrogen cars already have battery they charge and car rides on, so why not let it charge with ev charge stations... that would make tankstations ready to invest in hydrogen fuel tank station and also keep their investment in ev charge stations lol... p.s. it would say to trump yeah ev charging stations that give the ev cars low range driving to a car that can drive almost as much as gasoline cars, Im referring to trump when he dissed elons tesla that their ev cars cant drive for long range lol p.s. for non knowing of this technology, the industry says in other words hydrogen tank fully charged can travel double the miles ev car can travel... so this car I talked in this comment could travel 3 times of what ev cars on their own travel,.. depends on how big the car is and how big hydrogen tank in it is...
I am not travelling anywhere so for me is indifferent what you are explaining now. Survival is the most important thing since Apr 2020. Also feeding my algorithm for the bullshiter.
No, any vehicle that requires some type of fuel is not an electric vehicle. Electric vehicles have batteries and only require recharging with the same electricity that is used to power everything else. Electricity we can buy or choose to make ourselves in any number of ways.
Geen hydrogen is less much less efficient form renewable energy. But Maintaining renewable generators to be usable for civil use is much much more pain in the ass this is why hydrogrn is nessesary
In the end, the future will move towards the hydrogen industry. This is because carbon dioxide emissions make it impossible for ships, trains, airplanes, and trucks to rely solely on battery-electric power. Hydrogen will be the only viable solution for these sectors. As the hydrogen industry develops, personal vehicles will also increasingly be made as hydrogen-powered cars. Of course, electric cars are just a stepping stone towards a hydrogen-based future.
Are you guys looking to get out of the automobile business? China is about to toast the whole of “legacy auto” with their superior EV tech - meanwhile, other manufacturers are selling their hydrogen cars off for 20 cents on the dollar, and you want to do WHAT? I just drove an iX1 for a month and it was one of the best of the 8 or so EVs I have driven (xc40, Enyaq4, Polestar 2, etc.) but with charging speed already a couple years behind China. You had better pay attention or be done.
You would have thought the nay sayers would have learned something from the BEV rollout 🙄 not enough information to reach a decision yet. Not making a decision about it yet
We learned some thing from Toyota's rollout of the Murai in California. Even after giving away a $15,000 fuel card with them, the effort was at best a disaster. It was plagued by fluctuating and very high hydrogen price and some of the few station clos8ng down. The Murai is a perfectly fine state of thd art HFCV. The problem is hydrogen is an energy hog and producing is not green or efficient.
Ok BMW, Lets cut the crap and please put out some numbers. Let's benchmark the Tesla model 3. Can your hydrogen 3 series be having atleast the following specs? Unladen weight < 1836kg, Trunk volume > 594L, Frunk volume > 88L, Power > 200kW & WLTP range > 550km. If not, dont make these useless ad pieces. So you proudly claim that you guys are sitting on this technology for decades and a startup from 15yrs ago screwed you left right and center in your own ex-benchmark executive sedan segment. Arrogancy has no bounds! And you guys still have not learnt from your i3 times...
Hydrogen sucks compared to being able to charge at home, free if you have solar. Hydrogen also has issues in cold weather and still requires you to have a mechanical engine and the repair issues with it. No thanks.
Hydrogen vehicles, at least in passenger type cars is and always will be a failed technology, they are by far much less efficient that straight battery electric vehicles. Also I still remember the only BMW I have ever splurged on, a BMW E32 735il, it was one of the most unreliable cars I have ever owned, when the zf gearbox which should have been re called but wasn't blew it's clutch pack, leaving myself and my wife stranded, i swore I will never another beemer EVER. At $144k aud in 1988 was not a cheap car, good luck with your disinformation campaign, good luck with your China market, you'll need it
America and China will not allow this Lithium is available in America and China and the technology of batteries and electric cars is higher than yours Maybe hydrogen is only good for trucks
Australia also mines around 35% of the World's lithium, with Chile, Bolivia and Argentina providing more still. China's lithium output is less than Australia's......
Hydrogen for cars is inefficient and expensive compared to battery EVs. There are 4 driving motors for this agenda though. The first one is to do with taxes, companies are required to reduce their average CO2 footprint, this is one solution. Second, it is possible for Japan, Germany and Sweden to use air turbines electricity, and generate hydrogen for energy storage, so they come up with these ideas as it is related to their future security as well. Third, there are technologies that promise replacing gas with hydrogel in steel industries or cement industries etc. Finally, western companies ( japan included ! ) try to buy time so that maybe they come up with low cost solid state batteries or better fuel cells not relying on platinum or they just have some stock market share and do no pt give a dime about humanity but their bloody fast profit. Batteries are obvious choices… Note that a few kilogram of hydrogen is a large volume with challenging storage solutions…
Except EVs require much less frequent maintenance. I love gasoline engine, but it's so stupid having to convert vertical movement (piston) to rotational movement (wheel). There are way too many moving parts to maintain.
@@rnrnrkrk994 It is „less maintenance“… until you need to (inevitably) replace the battery (which costs more than the actual car) or try to sell the car (and get surprised that 85% of the price went into the toilet after just 5 years of use). How often do you need to do an ICE replacement? Almost never. So if you look at it in short turn - it makes sense that EVs are cheaper to maintain. Otherwise EVs are absolute garbage.
@dppopov Lets be real. I love ICE vehicles too but if you add up its own wearable components that is pretty comparable. EV batteries last at least 150k miles (avg americans drive 12k miles per year so thats >10 years). Changing it is basically changing the whole car and good for another 150k miles (to maintain 80% life) for about $10-20k ICE vehicles, transmission change alone costs +$5000, sparkplug every 8k miles also cost $1000, engine oils, motor mounts, engine radiator, intake filter, oil changes every 10k miles, fuel pump replacement, motor mounts, engine valve cover gaskets, battery, catalytic converter, emission checks and last but not least gasoline over the 6-8 years add up equal to or more than EV battery replacement.
Cobalt free batteries are already being used in EV batteries. Unfortunately, the oil industry will continue being the Worlds largest user of mined cobalt for some time, as they can't refine oil without it...... That's a fact. Nobody's in denial.
How much volume does 5 or 6 kg of hydrogen take up at above absolute zero? BMW will go bankrupt before this technology is practical to deploy outside of NASA!
BMW great work, nice to see that you are working together with Toyota to develop new technologies for sustainable transportation, I can't wait to see production models :)
Really? I have a friend who has bought nothing but brand new BMW's for decades. He truly believes them to be superior. I can't help but be astonished at the number of warranty claims he's had to make over the years though. A new engine, a new gearbox, suspension parts for an M5, just a few months old, plenty of electrical issues etc.... I buy older used "bread & buttter" normal everyday cars, and not once in almost 50 years have I needed to get a new engine, gearbox etc....
This guy must have been sleeping since 1979 and just woke up. Fuel cells are fine... in space. Everywhere else, they have been tested, tried, and abandoned
even in space they've been abandoned
@@larsfroelich not really.....depend on technology....Don't forget that these fuelcells are responsible for vast majority of space exploration....I think this is the future....not the battery commedy.
Yep. Fuel cell will never be practical for passenger car use. The infrastructure is orders of magnitude too expensive (and still virtually non-existent even after 20 years of hydrogen car development), and generating green hydrogen is very inefficient and a waste of clean energy.
@@jaroslavsimon8100 I agree with you. I did not understand fully but what I could understand is that hydrogen will be the fuel of the car. Like gasoline. So essentially you have to develop an engine that runs on hydrogen. Of course it has to be efficient and reliable. and secondly you have create an infrastructure to facilitate refill the car with hydrogen. After all the car will need fuel refilling.
So its a dual challenge but its not impossible. The EV technology is obviously ahead because batteries have been used a fuel sources for decades plus electric charging is possible. But use of hydrogen fuels is still a challenge though they claim their test runs are going great. So it means they have developed the car. At least the BMW executive seemed very confident.
But use of hydrogen as commercial fuel has never been tried or used. Except in rockets so that really will be the challenge.
Sounds like two losing companies trying to collaborate against a common enemy. Battery EV is the future for now.
This German brands have literally crossed their limits . They have to pay for their mistakes that they have done and still they are doing
That's why it's called 'history repeats itself'.
I really like BMW so I'll tell you this for free. I'm from the future, so believe me when I say hydrogen is a recipe for bankruptcy. Don't go the way of Blackberry, Kodak, and Toyota. Cut your losses and pivot now to 100% battery electric while you still can.
Exactly.
Eww, Hydrogen driven cars are better for the environment and take shorter time to fuel up. Battery electric vehicles are a thing of the past! Take too long to charge and their batteries pose a threat to the environment!
@@YDGFX Hydrogen cars also have batteries and the fuel cell, that is as much resource-intensive as batteries, and also has expensive metals. Not only batteries are advancing way faster, but are also less expensive, and recyclable. Not only to generate and compress the hydrogen requires several times the energy to charge a battery with same capacity, but hydrogen requires storage and distribution, mostly done by gasoline and diesel trucks. Above all that, nearly all hydrogen produced today comes from fossil fuels.
@forgotten_world All that it takes to produce the hydrogen is worth it! It's worth it for the environment and earth!
Hydrogen takes four times - four times - the energy required to charge a battery. Add to that the fact that it also need storage and distribution, mostly done by gasoline and diesel trucks, and the fact that almost all hydrogen is sourced from oil and gas, and the only possible conclusion is this: hydrogen is greenwashing.
Living in a bubble. Stop wasting shareholders money
Now here's the trick: They're wasting german tax payer's money instead of shareholder money. Nobody will ever miss it and along the way they make nominal losses while the managers and stakeholders earn more than ever.
These are probably the nokias of automobiles.
Sorry, BMW… H2 will never be the answer. It is far too energy wasteful, even if extracted by electrolysis using renewable energy. For example, it would take 341.58 kWh of electricity to extract enough H2 for a full tank in a Hyundai Nexo to drive it 354 miles. A Hyundai Ioniq 5 could drive 1,025 miles on that amount of electricity -nearly three times that distance! Moreover, the infrastructure for FCV is practically non-existent. There are only 55 H2 fueling stations in the USA -the vast majority of them in California. The push for H2 is a ploy by the fossil fools who want to SELL us the H2, when their oil starts running dry, instead of letting consumers get their clean, green, free fuel from rooftop solar. How much is the oil industry paying you to promote their "future" profit-making scheme?
Don't waste one more minute in this technology, for cars it's dumb.
I just don’t understand how is hydrogen better than BEV? Especially with batteries evolving and improving at very rapid pace.
The Chinese are some of the smartest people on earth currently, and it’s clear why they’re adopting BEV, and they’re currently leaders in battery research which means they beleive in the product.
So his point is that batteries are heavy
A Tesla model 3 is 1.8 tons a couple hundred kilos heavier or exactly same weight as a bmw 3.
But who cares about weight ?? When both Center of gravity gives more safety and despite the weight the car is probably most efficient family vehicle on earth currently.
Most efficient
Most cheapest
Available today
Fast charging is a reality
Instant torque And best performance.
Why bother with hydrogen ??? Especially that it’s sooo expensive to fill up and to actually make it u need a lot of energy
This is why: because 98% of hydrogen comes from oil, this is all about oil subsidies and greenwashing. They are deep in this hole. Not just hydrogen is absurdly inefficient, but they will need to transport it using gas and diesel trucks. For me this is the definitive sign that both brands can't deal with electric disruption and are beyond recovering.
1:34 So BMW had a clean energy vehicle since 1979 and they never bothered developing it further to reduce emissions 🙄. They should be fined for their emissions over the last 50 years then. Thank you for admitting your guilt.
I'd blame the lack of hydrogen refueling centers.
@@radglitch7233 exactly. We need to ramp up production, but right now there isn't enough capacity to produce that much hydrogen. This technology will certainly become mainstream as demand increases. However, at present, the cost of 1kg of hydrogen can reach up to €15, making a full tank of 6kg around €90. If demand increases further, prices could rise even more, making the operational costs of hydrogen cars quite high and inefficient. That said, I believe this situation will follow the trend of other technologies, where supply eventually catches up, driving prices down.....
BMW is too rich that they need to waste it on a pointless dead end tech for passager cars. You would wonder why German manufacturing on a downhill slide
bmw is on the way to run out of business.
Hydrogen adds so much inefficiency required both in infrastructure and in the vehicle as well compared to BEV. The few grams of platinum are so much more rare and expensive than the materials in the battery, which keep coming down in price. I love my BMW EVs, they are fantastic. By continuing to push the Hydrogen pipe dream you are telling customers who are skeptical of BEVs to keep avoiding them and wait for Hydrogen. Please, drop the Hydrogen nonsense for passenger vehicles. The Mirai was a complete failure. It makes no sense. I say this as a lifelong BMW fan and with nothing but love.
Exactly. This greenwashing is a shame, they don't need this. Both companies have a lot of invested money from oil, remember that 95% of hydrogen comes from oil.
Here in Denmark we Will have plenty off hydrogen, we are making massive amounts from rest power from Windpower industri , power 2X its called.
And in germany they have Big power plants who makes hydrogen from rest power also.
So I Think that Europe has fooled china too be the biggest batteripowered Auto industri and now Europe is coming with a hydrogen blow too china.
Truck’s are also coming with Hydro/elekrick trucks now, they are allready trucking in USA.
So hydrogen is coming.
@@christianchristensen4291 hydrogen makes no sense compared to batteries. You have to waste so much power generating the hydrogen, compressing it, cooling it, loading it onto trucks, driving the truck, transferring it into the station, etc. Hydrogen is hyped by the fossil fuel industry as they are the main source of hydrogen today.
As another lifelong BMW fan, BEVs is NOT where its at. There is no sustainability is a vehicle mad up entire of batteries. Look how we treat our phones, disposable. Mileage and battery degradation also mean the life of the vehicle itself is shorter than ICE or Hydrogen. Who wants to buy a used BEV with a rundown battery? Just because a technology is not ready yet does not mean that it should be abandoned. True innovation is not discovered nor adopted overnight.
@@soviet1942 BEVs last longer than ICE vehicles. Battery degradation isn't really an issue like people fear. Batteries can be entirely recycled. Please educate yourself and stop repeating fossil fuel industry FUD. Hydrogen cars still require a battery and electric motors. They are just BEVs that have added unnecessary complexity and way less efficiency.
RIP VW............ rip BMW? pls dont. My dad loves ur cars. (oh wait... now i get it..... my dad is getting old)
Imagine a tank with more than 80 liters (they are saying it in kilograms) of highly combustible and highly explosive and highly reactive Hydrogen below your seat.
Hydrogen molecule (two atoms) is to small and too light, so it will leak a lot.
Because we currently aren't driving vehicles that ALREADY contain thousands of combustion cycles per minute? I'm sure people riding horses were making the same statement you are when cars first came out. What about BEV thermal runaway events? Even fire departments has trouble handling BEV fires.
@@soviet1942 Hydrogen will always be hydrogen. They know how dangerous it is, and all this is just for research purposes.
I didn't mentioned, but it needs more energy to get H2 than it can give back.
@@19n05k83 I didn't think about that second part, thanks.
It's explosive under high pressure and high temperature. Ambient conditions are not enough to make it explode.
@@sharon_ng What do you think? Is H2 in this tanks under pressure?
This is definitely the way to go!
Do more research pls.. thats all im saying or believe in this BS and you will regret it later on your choice man
2028???!!! After testing for 10 years already?
We need for the hydrogen stations to be more available. Which one is closest to you? The one in Cali or the one in Canada?
@@radglitch7233 The one in Ca has been out of service for the past 3 months so I guess it is the one in Canada
My PERPETUAL MOTOR is better than any car
Thanks for wasting our tax money
you would have waster it either way.
the "Zero Emission" goal is the thing to Totally SCRAP from Humanity's mind.
Yeah! Team Hydrogen! Let's go! 🌳💧
Bwm you are doomed. Like many other European car makers which people are not interested in anymore. Hydrogen what, make an affordable EV
It seems like many of the comments come from people who are not well-informed-especially those who favor battery EVs. 😄 The arguments against hydrogen technology often miss the mark. Personally, I see more potential in hydrogen than in batteries, though there's still a long road ahead. I’m skeptical that 2028 will be the breakthrough year for hydrogen vehicles. The challenge of building the necessary infrastructure is enormous.
When it comes to storing hydrogen, there are serious considerations. While some existing gas stations could be adapted, the storage tanks can't simply be reused for hydrogen. Hydrogen requires special tanks that can handle high pressures and prevent leaks, as it’s a much smaller molecule than gasoline or diesel. Safety is also a major concern-any potential ignition source must be avoided, even something as common as a smartphone could pose a risk. Handling hydrogen safely will require a lot of attention and rigorous standards to prevent accidents.
Given the current pace of progress, achieving widespread hydrogen vehicle adoption within the next four years is ambitious but not impossible. It would require overcoming significant hurdles in infrastructure, cost, and technology. If these challenges are met with concerted effort and innovation, we might see a notable increase in hydrogen vehicles on the road, though mainstream adoption could still take a bit longer.
I think you need to do some research.
Widespread H2 vehicle adoption would take a massive united global effort and decades worth of resources, because the required infrastructure is currently non-existent and very complex and resource intensive. It would be much more resource and time efficient to focus on BEVs and alternative forms of transit.
@@paulc6766 I thing you too
@@beanapprentice1687
I’m just trying to explore potential answers, because simply dismissing the idea isn’t helpful. Think about it-how many times did the Wright brothers hear that human flight was impossible? Yet, they proved it could be done. Over 100 years later, commercial aviation is a normal part of life.
In the same way, I wouldn’t be quick to say whether hydrogen-powered cars are possible or not. Technology evolves, and what seems unrealistic today might become commonplace tomorrow. I believe in the free and natural exploration of technologies, driven by innovation, rather than having progress dictated or limited by regulations from political classes. Time will ultimately show us what is truly possible.
@@jaroslavsimon8100 I’m sorry, but the time to explore potential answers is over. Automakers have had since the 1970s to figure out which emissions-free fuel technologies are best for passenger cars, and hydrogen clearly isn’t it. You can’t really compare the invention of powered flight with hydrogen cars because so many variables are different between the two cases. Today we have unfathomably more understanding of the world around us, and technology which allows us to simulate, create, and test inventions like never before. We _know_ that H2 infrastructure is far more expensive than electrical or gasoline infrastructure, and it’s simply because hydrogen gas is among the smallest of molecules and tends to slip through microscopic imperfections in the walls of any container. Electrical infrastructure is far cheaper and already exists, and so all we need is alternative forms of transit to largely compensate for the weaknesses of EVs and we could easily convert half of the world’s vehicles to electric in the next 2 or 3 decade (of course, that’s ignoring resource limitations which willl undoubtedly slow down the pace of EV adoption; but if battery materials are a concern then we can focus on PHEVs instead and get all the environmental benefits during city driving, which is where BEVs are predominantly used anyways).
And if you want to know how the field of clean vehicles would innovate and explore technologies if the process wasn’t guided by government regulations, well the answer is that this field wouldn’t even exist. That’s because automakers only care about one thing, money. And neither BEVs nor FCEVs are as profitable as ICEVs. Hydrogen powered cars exist, but they’re little more than lab experiments and have been this way for the past 15 years without much change. Automakers are simply not willing to spend the billions upon billions of dollars necessary to build a comprehensive hydrogen refuelling infrastructure from scratch. But relatively light government regulations _have_ been enough to convince automakers to spend money building out EV charging networks, with a thousand EV charging stations being built every week in the USA. Compare that to around 60 hydrogen fuelling stations ever built in the USA.
I really pray that Hydrogen technology will be successful ❤
Why, do you like wasting your money?
So did General Motors back in the 80's..... Why do you pray for hydrogen to be successful? Do you want to pay more for your fuel than gas is now, and give up the convenience of being able to charge up at home for a fraction of the cost of buying gas?
whats the point of fast refueling if you have nowhere to refuel it. wake tf up bmw. look at what a massive failure that Toyota is in California. With EVs and Plug in hybrid as good as today, Hydrogen cars will have close to zero chance of succeed.
lol as a car driver never seen a hydrogen charging station in my country lol... so it would be interesting, saw in city ev chharging stations and also at tankstations lol... but best car would be hydrogen and electric charging dual car , as most hydrogen cars already have battery they charge and car rides on, so why not let it charge with ev charge stations... that would make tankstations ready to invest in hydrogen fuel tank station and also keep their investment in ev charge stations lol... p.s. it would say to trump yeah ev charging stations that give the ev cars low range driving to a car that can drive almost as much as gasoline cars, Im referring to trump when he dissed elons tesla that their ev cars cant drive for long range lol
p.s. for non knowing of this technology, the industry says in other words hydrogen tank fully charged can travel double the miles ev car can travel... so this car I talked in this comment could travel 3 times of what ev cars on their own travel,.. depends on how big the car is and how big hydrogen tank in it is...
can u revv it?
No its a FC no engine😂
OMG
There is a news that lot of automotive industries are in doldrums as EU Germany remain almost no growth in GDP
At first i thought i travelled back in time...
Hydrogen, when you can get it, is expensive. BMW has a deadend strategy.
This guy forgot to tell you a Hydrogen powered vehicles still need a battery to make it work. The only zero emission's vehicle, I don't think so.
Hydrogen Vehicles certainly a innovative move towards Automobile industry .
I am not travelling anywhere so for me is indifferent what you are explaining now.
Survival is the most important thing since Apr 2020.
Also feeding my algorithm for the bullshiter.
No, any vehicle that requires some type of fuel is not an electric vehicle. Electric vehicles have batteries and only require recharging with the same electricity that is used to power everything else. Electricity we can buy or choose to make ourselves in any number of ways.
Geen hydrogen is less much less efficient form renewable energy. But Maintaining renewable generators to be usable for civil use is much much more pain in the ass this is why hydrogrn is nessesary
don't buy BMW EVs, got it 😅
Good @BMW Group Good @BMW Group
In the end, the future will move towards the hydrogen industry. This is because carbon dioxide emissions make it impossible for ships, trains, airplanes, and trucks to rely solely on battery-electric power. Hydrogen will be the only viable solution for these sectors. As the hydrogen industry develops, personal vehicles will also increasingly be made as hydrogen-powered cars. Of course, electric cars are just a stepping stone towards a hydrogen-based future.
You can get 500 to 600 km in our hydrogen cars says bmw, if you kept it as electricity then you could get like 1000 to 1500km in an EV lmao
Fast charging and long-range battery electric cars are already in the market , and it looks like too little too late for hydrogen cars !
Are you guys looking to get out of the automobile business? China is about to toast the whole of “legacy auto” with their superior EV tech - meanwhile, other manufacturers are selling their hydrogen cars off for 20 cents on the dollar, and you want to do WHAT? I just drove an iX1 for a month and it was one of the best of the 8 or so EVs I have driven (xc40, Enyaq4, Polestar 2, etc.) but with charging speed already a couple years behind China. You had better pay attention or be done.
You would have thought the nay sayers would have learned something from the BEV rollout 🙄 not enough information to reach a decision yet. Not making a decision about it yet
We learned some thing from Toyota's rollout of the Murai in California. Even after giving away a $15,000 fuel card with them, the effort was at best a disaster. It was plagued by fluctuating and very high hydrogen price and some of the few station clos8ng down. The Murai is a perfectly fine state of thd art HFCV. The problem is hydrogen is an energy hog and producing is not green or efficient.
Habt ihr den Quatsch immer noch nicht verworfen? 🙄
in... 2028 only...hehe
I will buy hydrogen bmw, i will never buy any kind of electric vehicle though...
A hydrogen BMW will be a FCEV, that’s a fuel cell ELECTRIC VEHICLE. 😊
THEY ARE THE SAME GOD DAMN THING
You'd best not buy a hydrogen car then, because you'll find it has an electric motor powering the wheels......
Supra z4 tech that means 🐫🐫🐫🫒🫒🫒
Ok BMW, Lets cut the crap and please put out some numbers. Let's benchmark the Tesla model 3. Can your hydrogen 3 series be having atleast the following specs? Unladen weight < 1836kg, Trunk volume > 594L, Frunk volume > 88L, Power > 200kW & WLTP range > 550km. If not, dont make these useless ad pieces. So you proudly claim that you guys are sitting on this technology for decades and a startup from 15yrs ago screwed you left right and center in your own ex-benchmark executive sedan segment. Arrogancy has no bounds! And you guys still have not learnt from your i3 times...
Joke 😂 BMW knows better. Hydrogen will never break through
@BMW 🤝 @ExxonMobil 💧
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Hydrogen sucks compared to being able to charge at home, free if you have solar. Hydrogen also has issues in cold weather and still requires you to have a mechanical engine and the repair issues with it. No thanks.
Hydrogen vehicles, at least in passenger type cars is and always will be a failed technology, they are by far much less efficient that straight battery electric vehicles. Also I still remember the only BMW I have ever splurged on, a BMW E32 735il, it was one of the most unreliable cars I have ever owned, when the zf gearbox which should have been re called but wasn't blew it's clutch pack, leaving myself and my wife stranded, i swore I will never another beemer EVER. At $144k aud in 1988 was not a cheap car, good luck with your disinformation campaign, good luck with your China market, you'll need it
tesla
America and China will not allow this
Lithium is available in America and China and the technology of batteries and electric cars is higher than yours
Maybe hydrogen is only good for trucks
Australia also mines around 35% of the World's lithium, with Chile, Bolivia and Argentina providing more still. China's lithium output is less than Australia's......
Hydrogen for cars is inefficient and expensive compared to battery EVs. There are 4 driving motors for this agenda though. The first one is to do with taxes, companies are required to reduce their average CO2 footprint, this is one solution. Second, it is possible for Japan, Germany and Sweden to use air turbines electricity, and generate hydrogen for energy storage, so they come up with these ideas as it is related to their future security as well. Third, there are technologies that promise replacing gas with hydrogel in steel industries or cement industries etc. Finally, western companies ( japan included ! ) try to buy time so that maybe they come up with low cost solid state batteries or better fuel cells not relying on platinum or they just have some stock market share and do no pt give a dime about humanity but their bloody fast profit.
Batteries are obvious choices…
Note that a few kilogram of hydrogen is a large volume with challenging storage solutions…
The germans are losing the EV game so they want to play a different game hence hydrogen
Awesome! Now stick to in-line-6 petrol ICE. No hybrid, no mild hybrid bs. We want longevity and easy cheap repairs.
Except EVs require much less frequent maintenance. I love gasoline engine, but it's so stupid having to convert vertical movement (piston) to rotational movement (wheel). There are way too many moving parts to maintain.
@@rnrnrkrk994 It is „less maintenance“… until you need to (inevitably) replace the battery (which costs more than the actual car) or try to sell the car (and get surprised that 85% of the price went into the toilet after just 5 years of use). How often do you need to do an ICE replacement? Almost never. So if you look at it in short turn - it makes sense that EVs are cheaper to maintain. Otherwise EVs are absolute garbage.
@dppopov Lets be real. I love ICE vehicles too but if you add up its own wearable components that is pretty comparable.
EV batteries last at least 150k miles (avg americans drive 12k miles per year so thats >10 years). Changing it is basically changing the whole car and good for another 150k miles (to maintain 80% life) for about $10-20k
ICE vehicles, transmission change alone costs +$5000, sparkplug every 8k miles also cost $1000, engine oils, motor mounts, engine radiator, intake filter, oil changes every 10k miles, fuel pump replacement, motor mounts, engine valve cover gaskets, battery, catalytic converter, emission checks and last but not least gasoline over the 6-8 years add up equal to or more than EV battery replacement.
The issue there is that oil is a finite resource, and will one day run dry......
No. No. No. Yes? No! No
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hydrogen cars are too expensive.
Cringe
FOOLcel tech
No more cobalt mining using African labor. Congratulations!
Sounds like you are way behind the times. Soon only oil refineries will be using Cobalt.
@@paulc6766?? As we speak, there are several cobalt mines in Africa. I just tell the truth. Please don't be denial.
Most evs these days don't use cobalt also the device you use to type that comment uses cobalt😂
@@mcsike7264 this is fake marketing from Chinese. If you go to Africa now, the cobalt mining is in full swing. Just go to see yourself!
Cobalt free batteries are already being used in EV batteries. Unfortunately, the oil industry will continue being the Worlds largest user of mined cobalt for some time, as they can't refine oil without it...... That's a fact. Nobody's in denial.
How much volume does 5 or 6 kg of hydrogen take up at above absolute zero? BMW will go bankrupt before this technology is practical to deploy outside of NASA!
Nobody need a H2 Car. BEV are much better.
BMW great work, nice to see that you are working together with Toyota to develop new technologies for sustainable transportation, I can't wait to see production models :)
there is a production model in US, it's called Toyta Mirai, look at what a massive success it is 😂 look it up.
@@passby8070 I think they are joking.
You don't have to wait. Two hydrogen production models are already on sale. You could buy one tomorrow.....
BMW the best
Really? I have a friend who has bought nothing but brand new BMW's for decades. He truly believes them to be superior. I can't help but be astonished at the number of warranty claims he's had to make over the years though. A new engine, a new gearbox, suspension parts for an M5, just a few months old, plenty of electrical issues etc.... I buy older used "bread & buttter" normal everyday cars, and not once in almost 50 years have I needed to get a new engine, gearbox etc....
BMW the best.fantastic tehnology
I wouldn't touch one.....