Before you go commenting " wAiT, tHaT DIdNT hAppeN iN tHe kalEvALA" I did not use that as a source, And if you want to know why check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/E_-siFxrxis/v-deo.html
It wasn't on knee of Väinämöinen, but on the knee of Ilmatar - the maid of heavens, who had stepped down into the waters where she was floating. Basically she was the mother of Väinämöinen - who carried him so long that he was born an aged wise man. It is funny but some American natives have similar story about 'air woman'.
@@lyrigageforge3259 The version you refer to is the Elias Lönnrot's version of the story from Kalevala, which is different from what the narrative is in the folk runes themselves. Elias Lönnrot, for example, created the character of Veenemonen by modifying Väinämöinen's name. SKVR's digital archive maintained by SKS has a good collection of old folk runes, which also includes Finniv creation runes as they are outside the Kalevala. Väinämöinen's birth also differs in the original folk runes from Elias Lönnrot's Kalevala version. In some folk runes Väinämöinen is the son of a maiden named Iro and a primordial giant named Turisas or Kaleva, and he was also the eldest of three brothers who were born sticking a sword through their mother's belly.
@@danielmalinen6337 It ,has been accepted that "Veen emonen" is not the same person as "Väinämöinen" This name in English could be like "The Mother of Water" (in Finnish water=vesi, of water=veden=veen). "Emo" is often used when talking about an animal mother, like for example hen or swan mother are (birds). Also "emonen" is old, but more "tender" version of "emo". In Wikipedia, only in Finnish: Veen emonen - Wikipedia fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veen_emonen
@@TurmoilDot Veenemonen is a character derived from Väinämöinen's name by modifying the name, it is enough if we change Väi-nä-möi-nen > Veen-e-mo-nen. For example, the difference in the pronunciation of ä and e is close to each other in Baltic Finnish languages but it has been more important that the syllabic rhythm of the name remains the same despite the n changing place. This is explained more and better in the SKS book Kalevala Lipas by Matti Kuuri, which tells about the background and creation of the Kalevala. Also, I don't know how important the information is that "emo" is also the word for mothers of everything, i.e. "emuut", and was also originally used for human mothers before the new word "äiti" was introduced. And the older Baltic Finnish form of "emo" is "ema". One of the variations of the word "emo" is also the word "emä" from which "emäntä" (mistress) is derived.
Crazy! I’m Tlingit from SE Alaska, my people been here long time. I took a DNA test and theres some of my ancestors from Finnish, Scandinavian, Baltic. In Tlingit kudzítée (history) The Raven fixed the world, he made people. During the greatest flood, before people, Tlingit means people as well. Yéil (Raven) came down from the moon after the flood hit, he came to the Pacific and seen a sea otter who Yéil called Patná, he asked the sea otter if he ever goes to the bottom of this ocean, sea otter said yes and Yéil asked him if he could bring him some sand or rocks from the bottom and sea otter said yea I’ll do that for you pátná and created the Aleutian Islands. Crazy how that bit is also in Finnish and I bet others on the opposite side of the globe. Lots of my people history is before the last great flood when the landscape changed but plenty of history before then. Gunalchéesh thank you for the great info.
Very insightful and thoroughly-thought video! There will definitely be some people complaining how this didn’t happen in Kalevala not knowing that Kalevala isn’t a good depiction of Finnic mythology. It’s kind of sad how Kalevala has made Finns’ view on Finnic mythology so flawed as it’s usually taught in schools as a main source for Finnic mythology. It has made Finns so lazy that they’ll just keep it up with Kalevala instead of doing research on the mythology on their own.
There's older and more original runes (than the versions of those in Kalevala) in Finnish archives (SKVR), but we can't just walk over the East border any more like during 1800-century (there are Karelians also, but lost their original identity). Nobody could remember, propably. Do not say us lazy, this is just different time and place.
It's failure of education. How can people know to look for more information when they're being taught barely anything about even the Kalevala in the first place?
Theres also a tale where the smith seppo Ilmarinen forges the earth from iron and the sky from copper, and makes the stars as silver nails imbedded in the dome, and a sun forged from gold. The problem with Kalevala is that it is collected from somewhat narrow region of eastern finnish culture region, while the epic poems of the Western Finland have been lost to oblivion of history due to many cultural developments such as the Christian influence over the centuries. Basically the same thing as with snorri sturlusons eddas, but with far less source material than what snorri had, and 800 years later than when the eddas were written down. So basing the finnish mythology on Kalevala alone can mislead many who are looking into finnish mythos. But a great video anyways!
The concept of Demiurge is from Plato's philosophy which states that the material world or universe was created by the Demiurge. Later on the gnostic Christians would turn Demiurge into an evil entity. I was quite surprised it showed up in this video.
Nice video. I don't remember where I read this, but according to whatever source it was, a duck made a nest on the knee of Ilmatar, and laid 2 eggs (I think copper and golden). Ilmatar felt the heat of the nest on her knee, and moved it so the eggs broke and made up the heavens and the earth. At the same time, Ilmatar was pregnant with Väinämöinen, who already was and old man in her womb, and one day he just got bored and birthed himself or something like that lol.
@@aaronstavern I can refer you to the people who do. The Thunderbolts Project. They know, after spending decades combining comparative mythology and plasma physics.
An unfortunate mistake in the beginning, it was Ilmatar who drifted pregnant in the sea for 700 years, and she gave birth to Väinämöinen. Olipa impi, ilman tyttö, kave luonnotar korea. Piti viikoista pyhyyttä, iän kaiken impeyttä ilman pitkillä pihoilla, tasaisilla tanterilla. Kantoi kohtua kovoa, vatsantäyttä vaikeata vuotta seitsemän satoa, yheksän yrön ikeä; eikä synny syntyminen, luovu luomatoin sikiö.
@@SiiriCressey The Kalevala? Yes and no. The Kalevala is Elias Lönnrot's work. He collected poems from a lot of different areas of Finland, the East Karelia (ie Russia), and Ingria, and tried to arrange them in a manner that would have a coherent narrative. To achieve this, he altered some poems and even created some verses himself. This is by no means a secret nor did he ever claim the Kalevala was an accurate depiction of the poems he and others collected. The Kalevala is not a 100% authentic collection of myths and beliefs, nor was it ever meant to be.
@@SiiriCressey Well, it doesn't mean nothing in Kalevala is authentic or that the altered stories didn't exist in some similar form. It's not 100% original work, either, or even mostly original work.
Before you go commenting " wAiT, tHaT DIdNT hAppeN iN tHe kalEvALA" I did not use that as a source, And if you want to know why check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/E_-siFxrxis/v-deo.html
It wasn't on knee of Väinämöinen, but on the knee of Ilmatar - the maid of heavens, who had stepped down into the waters where she was floating. Basically she was the mother of Väinämöinen - who carried him so long that he was born an aged wise man.
It is funny but some American natives have similar story about 'air woman'.
@@lyrigageforge3259 The version you refer to is the Elias Lönnrot's version of the story from Kalevala, which is different from what the narrative is in the folk runes themselves. Elias Lönnrot, for example, created the character of Veenemonen by modifying Väinämöinen's name. SKVR's digital archive maintained by SKS has a good collection of old folk runes, which also includes Finniv creation runes as they are outside the Kalevala.
Väinämöinen's birth also differs in the original folk runes from Elias Lönnrot's Kalevala version. In some folk runes Väinämöinen is the son of a maiden named Iro and a primordial giant named Turisas or Kaleva, and he was also the eldest of three brothers who were born sticking a sword through their mother's belly.
@@danielmalinen6337 It ,has been accepted that "Veen emonen" is not the same person as "Väinämöinen" This name in English could be like "The Mother of Water" (in Finnish water=vesi, of water=veden=veen). "Emo" is often used when talking about an animal mother, like for example hen or swan mother are (birds). Also "emonen" is old, but more "tender" version of "emo".
In Wikipedia, only in Finnish:
Veen emonen - Wikipedia
fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veen_emonen
@@TurmoilDot Veenemonen is a character derived from Väinämöinen's name by modifying the name, it is enough if we change Väi-nä-möi-nen > Veen-e-mo-nen. For example, the difference in the pronunciation of ä and e is close to each other in Baltic Finnish languages but it has been more important that the syllabic rhythm of the name remains the same despite the n changing place. This is explained more and better in the SKS book Kalevala Lipas by Matti Kuuri, which tells about the background and creation of the Kalevala.
Also, I don't know how important the information is that "emo" is also the word for mothers of everything, i.e. "emuut", and was also originally used for human mothers before the new word "äiti" was introduced. And the older Baltic Finnish form of "emo" is "ema". One of the variations of the word "emo" is also the word "emä" from which "emäntä" (mistress) is derived.
Do you know why my comments about new information about Kalevala are deleted soon after written them? This has happen about 4 times?
Crazy! I’m Tlingit from SE Alaska, my people been here long time. I took a DNA test and theres some of my ancestors from Finnish, Scandinavian, Baltic. In Tlingit kudzítée (history) The Raven fixed the world, he made people. During the greatest flood, before people, Tlingit means people as well. Yéil (Raven) came down from the moon after the flood hit, he came to the Pacific and seen a sea otter who Yéil called Patná, he asked the sea otter if he ever goes to the bottom of this ocean, sea otter said yes and Yéil asked him if he could bring him some sand or rocks from the bottom and sea otter said yea I’ll do that for you pátná and created the Aleutian Islands. Crazy how that bit is also in Finnish and I bet others on the opposite side of the globe. Lots of my people history is before the last great flood when the landscape changed but plenty of history before then. Gunalchéesh thank you for the great info.
Well now we are talking! Something chilling about creation myths and thinking how old they are.
Very insightful and thoroughly-thought video! There will definitely be some people complaining how this didn’t happen in Kalevala not knowing that Kalevala isn’t a good depiction of Finnic mythology. It’s kind of sad how Kalevala has made Finns’ view on Finnic mythology so flawed as it’s usually taught in schools as a main source for Finnic mythology. It has made Finns so lazy that they’ll just keep it up with Kalevala instead of doing research on the mythology on their own.
There's older and more original runes (than the versions of those in Kalevala) in Finnish archives (SKVR), but we can't just walk over the East border any more like during 1800-century (there are Karelians also, but lost their original identity). Nobody could remember, propably. Do not say us lazy, this is just different time and place.
It's failure of education. How can people know to look for more information when they're being taught barely anything about even the Kalevala in the first place?
That "laziness" is understandable, if they're taught the Kalevala is what they would find if they went looking anyways.
Current kalevala is re writen by swedish so its not original story anymore
@@TurmoilDot Karelians were one of the Finnic tribes along with the others. The border is creating a difference between Karelian and Finnish.
Beautiful take on a powerful story. 🦌🍄
Thx for hearing my request!
No problem!
Particularly enjoyed this.
I like the idea that the diver story and the egg story met and mixed in Finland.
You don’t know how helpful-and interesting-these videos of yours are. Thank you!
Theres also a tale where the smith seppo Ilmarinen forges the earth from iron and the sky from copper, and makes the stars as silver nails imbedded in the dome, and a sun forged from gold. The problem with Kalevala is that it is collected from somewhat narrow region of eastern finnish culture region, while the epic poems of the Western Finland have been lost to oblivion of history due to many cultural developments such as the Christian influence over the centuries. Basically the same thing as with snorri sturlusons eddas, but with far less source material than what snorri had, and 800 years later than when the eddas were written down. So basing the finnish mythology on Kalevala alone can mislead many who are looking into finnish mythos. But a great video anyways!
The concept of Demiurge is from Plato's philosophy which states that the material world or universe was created by the Demiurge. Later on the gnostic Christians would turn Demiurge into an evil entity. I was quite surprised it showed up in this video.
Someone once again blessing my late night programming nights with stories.
beautiful. i love it.
Thank you verlinken möchten!
Nice video. I don't remember where I read this, but according to whatever source it was, a duck made a nest on the knee of Ilmatar, and laid 2 eggs (I think copper and golden). Ilmatar felt the heat of the nest on her knee, and moved it so the eggs broke and made up the heavens and the earth. At the same time, Ilmatar was pregnant with Väinämöinen, who already was and old man in her womb, and one day he just got bored and birthed himself or something like that lol.
This is the Kalevala version of events.
Kalevala
Thanks Dude!
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nice topic
Whats the music used in the video?
If you only knew.... about what humans seen in the sky to inspire such mythologies.
*we, don't act like you "know" you don't, no one does....
@@aaronstavern I can refer you to the people who do. The Thunderbolts Project. They know, after spending decades combining comparative mythology and plasma physics.
An unfortunate mistake in the beginning, it was Ilmatar who drifted pregnant in the sea for 700 years, and she gave birth to Väinämöinen.
Olipa impi, ilman tyttö, kave luonnotar korea.
Piti viikoista pyhyyttä, iän kaiken impeyttä
ilman pitkillä pihoilla, tasaisilla tanterilla.
Kantoi kohtua kovoa, vatsantäyttä vaikeata
vuotta seitsemän satoa, yheksän yrön ikeä;
eikä synny syntyminen, luovu luomatoin sikiö.
I thought there was another version wherein the cosmic egg is laid by an auk on the knee of Väinämöinen's mother, who is floating in the ocean.
Yeah, that's the one from Kalevala.
@@Silveirias Do you think it's culturally accurate?
@@SiiriCressey The Kalevala? Yes and no. The Kalevala is Elias Lönnrot's work. He collected poems from a lot of different areas of Finland, the East Karelia (ie Russia), and Ingria, and tried to arrange them in a manner that would have a coherent narrative. To achieve this, he altered some poems and even created some verses himself. This is by no means a secret nor did he ever claim the Kalevala was an accurate depiction of the poems he and others collected. The Kalevala is not a 100% authentic collection of myths and beliefs, nor was it ever meant to be.
@@Silveirias The thing is, I kind of thought it was until rather recently.
@@SiiriCressey Well, it doesn't mean nothing in Kalevala is authentic or that the altered stories didn't exist in some similar form. It's not 100% original work, either, or even mostly original work.
Only that lights have Finland place..on world
I'm a bit lost. I thought the bird layed an egg on Ilmattare's knee, not Väinämöise's
I completely stayed away from the Kalevala as a source for this video, and used runes from areas around Finland as sources
@@aaronstavern good job. people should understand that Kalevala is not a source of Finnish Mythology. same goes with prose eddas.
@@sabithasajan5564 so true!
That, or Jesus did it.